@whirlpool. nah itll be over when they figure out how to powershield the ball. It’s immediately ground actionable so you have frame advantage against the fielded team.
I remember when I was talking to my Melee friend and he told me that frame data is important in the game and it was basically all discovered by M2K. What a madlad
Something is op if it doesn't have a sufficient amount of counter play or the counter play available is significantly harder than the thing it counters.
Something people in league of legends have very little understanding of. So many people are like A isn't OP because B on this one champion completely counters it. Not realizing that A completely shits on absolutely every other top laner. And that the jungler does not have any impact on the over or under powered scale of a laner. As it is an outside factor. Arguing with people about Pantheon gives me a migraine.
and also the fact that not every single champion is avaible makes it hard.Like do i have to spent my points to buy a champion that i dont like to counter a OP champion?
As a Pantheon main, I'll tell you that "manaless" champions that can spam their abilities non-stop all the way to level 6 and above without backing, gives me a migraine.
Well as Pantheon the only manaless champion you have anything to fear from is Kennen. Maybe if you're having an off day Vladimir could annoy you. But for the most part you shit on Shen Riven Yasuo Zed Tryndamere Rumble Rengar Mordekaiser Kled and Kayn.
To be completely honest hearing league players saying shit has "no counter play" gives me. A migraine. Because it is said about EVERYTHING in the game. Doesn't help that they all pretend that what they're complaining about doesn't have flaws.
I can't tell which is which but I'd say Mario Down Special is the actual cheap one because with one button and directional input, it invalidates most recoveries in the game and leads to an instant death
@@shybandit521 He's referring to them respectively - Fox's down special is cheap (in melee) because it flat-out has almost no startup, a lot of active frames, and very few recovery frames, making it very spammable in just about any context. Post-Melee, Mario's down special is kind of annoying because it fucks up a few recoveries, but it otherwise is just a windbox that just gives you some space - you call it cheap when you're pissed because you got gimped, but Fox's down special is stupidly useful in practically any circumstance.
@Frax ...? dude that's melee, melee is kind of a completely different game than ultimate.. You could say that melee had no sequel, but brawl had smash 4 and ultimate as a sequel. Melee feels so different, that it's just- it's like a new type of fighting game. And it's going strong while nearing 20 years old
@Frax i mean .. yeah. Smash is a platform fighter. It's different than other fighting games. But Ultimate is uh .. literally the most popular fighting game of all time since it has the most sales, so I would realllly count it as a legit fighting game. Also it's technically a party game, huh
@Frax ... kay then man If you want to say the most popular fighting game of all time isnt a fighting game just because it's different then I guess so. OH yeah melee does actually have a sequel though- Project M (/project plus)
"Would be like a mix of kendo and fencing." So, like the original three movies where the lightsabers rarely made contact with one another and the fights were more philosophical debates punctuated by violence?
When I played Tekken 4 with my older brother on the PS2, we thought that Hwoarang's Left Viper Kick was overpowered since it could be chained infinitely, but neither of us knew that one could simply duck out of it after the first two slaps.
lol the moment the baseballplayer dash-canceled the hit... dude your videos are freaking amazing! I actually learn stuff and the examples and editing is sweet... nice job
Just imagine having to build up meter through getting struck out a couple times or hitting some singles or a double, and the sportscaster describing how much "butter" a batter is bringing to their turn at bat.
"The FBI says it can't find hackers to hire because they all smoke pot" I know this has nothing to do with the video, but did anyone else find that kind of hilarious?
For those who are confused by the title, it was made with my casual friends in mind. They didn't know that making Ryu's cr.mk startup a couple frames faster could make the character broken, and that most balance updates focus more on frame data than anything else.
Nicely done I especially like this part. 4:45 Your channel has helped me improve so much and has helped me understand the game in a way none else could. Thank you.
Probably my most favorite infamous overpowered move is the Air Hyper Viper Beam in MvC2 by Cable, the hypercombo that can be combo'd into itself if you just landed and jumped again, with zero delay. The ultimate overpowered cheap move.
This guy amazes me with every video he does. He is capable of saying all that information in a record period of time. That must take you a lot of time along with editing the video, that's why i respect you and I think your videos are top. The first move i can think about right now is zangief's cr HK in street fighter 2 champion edition
What the Hell?! This is actually really in depth, calm, and civil. Like, even a filthy casual like me knew some of the basic stuff outlined in this video. I'm not complaining mind you. I'm just not used to anything about fighting games being so... polite and friendly (other than Maximillion Dood). Did I miss something between 2007 (when I quit fighting games) and 2016? Is the FGC not a hostile cesspool of tryhards, and edgelords bent on scaring away casuals and noobs anymore? Is now the time for a gamer like me, who's just looking for a fun match and not to practice for EVO, to get back into fighting games? It sure feels like it all of a sudden. EDIT: Oh, and thanks for the video. I really appreciate stuff like this that sheds light on how games work and stuff like that.
Man, you guys sure are intent on scaring him off huh. But I have to admit, there's a reason I haven't really gotten into any besides the Skullgirls community. SGC is great, they're like "you want to play our game? Welcome aboard, and here's stuff you can practice to solve that problem you're having." They largely avoid the old-school cliquiness or the big-time dramatics. Vampire Savior community seems good too.
HiroProtagonest A bit late, but i think a good root for SG’s welcoming community is as spite of other communities when they were sessentially kicked out of EVO due to Marvel hustling in (Which is why the community laughed their ass off when MvCI got the boot)
one true-broken move in I forget which KoF was Rugal's Genocide cutter. screensweeper projectile that's a bitch to dodge, fast, eats a quarter of your health, and if you try and counter it with a projectile it can freeze into an impassable wall of instadeath that he's immune to. then again, SNK boss priveleges.
Genius; guy tapped into something that no one else thought of, breaking down mechanics of large gameplay elements of complex fighting games into something that the average joe could understand. His analogies were so good and the extra editing he did to illustrate his points were awesome. Subbed!
My favorite OP move is Pan's straight punch in Dragon Ball Final Bout. Its recovery time was faster than the hit stun duration, so you could keep punching until your opponent got K.O.ed. Basically, if you landed the punch when your opponent is not flying or jumping, you've won the match.
A 1 frame move that works in all situations, can lead to a death combo, has a jump cancel frame at 4, and can be reapeted at 7, can infinite combo, can be jced int an aerial (true combo) and can spike. This is the Shine.
it can't true infinte with out a wall and even then some characters can get out of it it also doesn't lead to 0 to death combo's on the entire cast it also has a fairly small hitbox also you missed the fa ct that it causes tons of hitstun its broken but you make it seem like a move that ruins the game
I remember using the Game Genie back on the SNES version of SFII to make the boss characters playable. Playing as Vega(US), his crouching LK had the frames and sounds of just about any other LK attack in the game, but on hit had the damage and sounds of a HK. I literally was able to do a perfect run through the entire game using just about nothing but that move. It was broken af
My first fighting game was soul calibur 2 GameCube version SC has an accessible design but depth to it that I enjoyed, my father and I would bond over it because we both could play and beat each other Then I started using Nightmare, I dont remember the specific attack name but the input was ↗️↗️B, which made Nightmare/siegefried spin at a diagonal angle while coming down with his 5 ft great sword for mass damage. Its easy to interrupt with a horizontal attack because of the start up frames, but id use it to punish vertical attacks because the move let me Dodge and attack simultaneously while catching his head during his recovery frames. I got gud at the other attacks but dad banned me from nightmare because thats the move id beat him with the most. He deemed the move overpowered That move is still in SC5 and I can still catch people with it on competetive modes, and it brings a smile to my face barely winning with it after not using it for the whole match
My favorite OP move in the Hardest MKDA arcade mode was Quan Chi's throw. I swear it's broken compared to the other throws. I couldn't play worth a damn otherwise, but when I spammed the move fast and hard enough, I would win (nearly) all the fights like that. Of course this didn't work on Moloch but his attacks are pretty slow and predictable once you get used to him, even on hard difficulty, because his move pool is limited.
My favorite broken move in any fighting game: Literally everything that every single character has in the arcade version of Hokuto no Ken by Arc System Works. A game so much more busted than any MvC game, so much more busted than Melee, we're talking so fucking broken...that every single character can *reliably* pull off combos that take off 100% of the opponent's health bar, and there's even 1 character who can do that without having any Aura, Boost, or Stars drained from the opponent's Star Gauge at the start of the combo. If I had to narrow it down to just 1 move from Hokuto no Ken, though, it would be Raoh's Sai move. Raoh takes out his Sai and stabs through both his own foot and the opponent's foot, trapping the two of them together so that Raoh can keep the punishment going. This is the one move that allows him to form kill combos without any Aura or Boost, and it can be comboed into from both on the ground and in the air.
But it's more than just the Instant KO moves. (Known as Fatal KO's in the game.) See, in Hokuto no Ken, there are a ton of physics glitches that allow for such things as: -Dribble Combos -Hyakuretsu Combos -Basuke States (When your opponent is in this state, the round is pretty much yours.) -A crap-ton of other things that I can't think of off the top of my head. Just watch some high level play of HnK. After just a few matches, you'll start to question whether it's a fighting game, or a freaking basketball game.
Oh yeah that sht that would ignore knock backs ... Lmfao imagine that on a KoF / SF game internet would go insane, legit 1 special move and just spam normals till the guy dies. That's basically it : 6:40
I actually find the idea of frame data pretty interesting (it's pretty neat to know how the nature of a fighting style affects play in games like this), and you laid the concepts down really well in a manner which was interesting and easy to understand. Great job on this video!
6:48 I would rely like to see a video on broken fighting games, some of the most fun I have with some of my friends is with the old marvel games and KI as well as both the ps1 and wii star wars fighting games (especially the wii one).
Nah king crimson's ability wouldn't let him move things further than they are. The ball would've moved just as much as if he hadn't used the ability, but nobody could react to where it is now.
My favorite move is Pikachu’s back air in smash Ultimate. It auto cancels, so it has very low recovery frames, so you can combo it into itself, and it’s a really good tool for edge guarding.
This is a great video, it really helped improve my fundamental understanding of fighting games and as someone who is just getting into the genre I really appreciate that.
Alexander M it doesn't matter, it has so much shieldstun and shield knockback that you have to perfect shield to punish it, and even then you need god like reflexes.
Kushala Eh, with a bit of practice and a good hitbox you can punish it OOS on reaction pretty consistently even when it isn't perfect shielded. It takes 19 frames for Ryu to rise and then about 30 frames for him to land + lag.
I fking love the baseball canceling animation, and... another "overpowered" thing beside the quick, high damaging attacks of Zankuro from Samurai Showdown 3 / 4 is the broken AI from MKII, "but thats a theme for another video"
@@jp3813 If anything, that might make the joke funnier. I want to think of it like the 'bomb under the table' from Alfred Hitchcock, but for comedy. If you have no idea the the joke is coming, the shock and surprise of it is what makes it funny. But in the case your told it's coming then anticipation builds because your mind is engaged and imagining. For me at least, the idea of hitting a bomb down right center field and running a second after swinging is ridiculous. But seeing it happen kicks in the irony because that is not what happens at all in real life, but the contrast of it is what makes it funny. But hey, that's just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.
My favorite thing about Core A videos is how the title and thumbnail are made in a way that casual players would be interested in or understand, then a hat trick is performed showing an advanced concept explains it
Pre-patched Injustice. Superman's super move that started up in one freaking frame. That shit was ridiculous. Even though they patched it to 5 frames, that's still as fast as most character's jab! The only upside is that it's punishable on block but even then, you have to find a correct distance to punish properly with a full combo.
Basically an attack that can easily be performed at most times and has certain aspects that are unfairly overturned so that it can be repeatedly used giving the opponent little to no chances of decently defending. There I just answered the main question so that average people can stomach the answer.
Mine is probably meta knight tornado. The move it self has tons of active frames and covers meta knight completely from above and somewhat from the side. The interesting thing is that he should be zoned out by projectiles but because the move has such high priority and how the hit and hurt boxes match up, it allows meta knight to run through most projectiles in the game without getting hit or hurt himself
your videos should be longer, I'm addicted to them I feel like I waited to long for this one and I was kind of hoping you used a jigglypuff(melee) example on OP movements lol keep up the amazing job :)
jigglypuff has no broken moves though bair has a great hit box and can wall SOME characters out but it doesn't do too well against a good projectile shine is more op basically
Krizalid kick , not the Tornado thing... Krizalid One move Can hit: Low throw High OVERHEAD COMMAND THROW IF POINT BLANK COUNTERS INTO THROW IF HIT Oh, and it knockdowns if it hits you! Quan Chi! I WANT THAT LEG GONE!!!! It probably has ALL POSSIBLE PROPERTIES EXCEPT INVINCIBLE!
Thanks for giving a shout out to how single player action games have different frame data philosophies from fighting games! I was looking for this vid! Trying to make my own action adventure game
I agree. Personally, I never felt guilty about spamming that type of move against the CPU in arcades because I was POOR. I did whatever it took to make my 25 or 50 cents last longer. Though I never did that against a human opponent. I didn’t want a bad reputation in the arcades.
Hey I just wanted to say your videos are all fantastic. From the jazz music to the editing, all aspects of them are just spectacular. Keep up the great work and thank you so much for all of your insight, not just on fighting games, but gaming as a whole.
magitician Agreed on the 1st. A feint ain't exactly like a cancel. The closest anime thing i know to a cancel is a Stand from Jojo's that erases causality. Feints are closer in concept to White Len's or Makoto's movement clones.
+Azmodeus87 how about Miyata's jolt counter on Arnie Gregory? Seems similar to hadouken cancelled into Shinku hadouken. first hadouken was parried, blocked, neutralised etc
I gotta say, the quality of these videos is ridiculously good and it's weird seeing this level of quality in a short video about fighting games. It's like someone made a gourmet ham sandwich that costs $100 a plate.
This is a really well made and thought out video. Can you make a video about why some final bosses are cheap? I just want to get your perspective on the matter.
Pretty much this. I've played games where I'll be doing mix ups with 10 frame moves and the CPU will block it every time because it just knows. You only hit those types of CPUs when they decide to mess up. Not because you actually 'figured them out.'
The old arcade tradition of 'we want yo money'. Not to mention disatisfaction if they're not strong. We expect them to be. Seth from SFIV was laughable.
because it made money. the more you lose at arcades machine the more money you'll ended up spending to kill the boss. in some cases the cpu just cheated like in early capcom games and SNK bosses
I'd have to say my favorite is Ganondorf Upsmash. In Brawl it came out fast, had a huge hitbox, big range, and did a massive amount of damage. It was punishable, but it was safer than it should be and the hitbox and active frames were MASSIVE. The same still applies in Ultimate, but it's a little more well rounded now.
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It's over when somebody figures out how to L-cancel in basketball
baseball wavedashing, cant handle my jackie robinson shmovement
Likes well deserved
@whirlpool. nah itll be over when they figure out how to powershield the ball. It’s immediately ground actionable so you have frame advantage against the fielded team.
Watch me learn to parry the frickin ball
I don’t get it
lmfao that cancel during the real baseball clip had me rolling
absolutely agreed haha
I know dude, I fucking died the first time I watched that
It was crazy. lol
thats was so genius! 😄
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA X'DDDDDD
Zelda's down-B in Melee; it literally turns her into a top-tier.
Someone : zelda's down b melee
Fox mains : i'm about to end this man's whole career
@@akasakasvault7597
Woman*
@@DontStopMeGaLo right indeed
DontStopMeGaLo well we don’t know her pronouns because she is oppressed by link and her male creators
Fox?!? No...
Bayonetta.
my favorite move is the CPU blocks and puts you in hitstun for 84 years
Man they should nerf it
Mine is the wifi lag switch where both player randomly get put in hitstun and dies randomly.
My favorite is when I finally stun Akuma and he immediately wakes back up
@@jonmichaeljoshua9164 oof
Shut up you fucking moron
-"Frame Data god"
-Shows M2K
Core-A gets it.
seems so
lol m2k
I remember when I was talking to my Melee friend and he told me that frame data is important in the game and it was basically all discovered by M2K. What a madlad
Lmfa9
I NEED a gif of that Focus Cancel in that Baseball game.
That cracked me up.
So true need it bad
I'm working on making that right now. Also, putting Gerald's logo in it so he gets credit for that forever. Patience, please.
I´m still waiting Patterson...
YES! Thank you!
that baseball edit is one of the best things I have seen in my life.
If that was thing, I'd be all over baseball.
Thanks, pretty proud of that one lol.
Lmao right?!
Wait, you can FADC in Real live?
How!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I had to pause it and take breather after that one. So good XD
Something is op if it doesn't have a sufficient amount of counter play or the counter play available is significantly harder than the thing it counters.
Something people in league of legends have very little understanding of. So many people are like A isn't OP because B on this one champion completely counters it. Not realizing that A completely shits on absolutely every other top laner. And that the jungler does not have any impact on the over or under powered scale of a laner. As it is an outside factor.
Arguing with people about Pantheon gives me a migraine.
and also the fact that not every single champion is avaible makes it hard.Like do i have to spent my points to buy a champion that i dont like to counter a OP champion?
As a Pantheon main, I'll tell you that "manaless" champions that can spam their abilities non-stop all the way to level 6 and above without backing, gives me a migraine.
Well as Pantheon the only manaless champion you have anything to fear from is Kennen. Maybe if you're having an off day Vladimir could annoy you. But for the most part you shit on Shen Riven Yasuo Zed Tryndamere Rumble Rengar Mordekaiser Kled and Kayn.
To be completely honest hearing league players saying shit has "no counter play" gives me. A migraine. Because it is said about EVERYTHING in the game. Doesn't help that they all pretend that what they're complaining about doesn't have flaws.
2 kinds of cheap: The legitimately cheap move and the move we call cheap when we get pissed.
The difference between Fox's Down Special and Mario's Down Special
@@shybandit521 that is so accurate, it's scary.
I can't tell which is which but I'd say Mario Down Special is the actual cheap one because with one button and directional input, it invalidates most recoveries in the game and leads to an instant death
@@shybandit521 Either way, you could still piss people off. And that is the reason why i do not have friends anymore.
@@shybandit521 He's referring to them respectively - Fox's down special is cheap (in melee) because it flat-out has almost no startup, a lot of active frames, and very few recovery frames, making it very spammable in just about any context. Post-Melee, Mario's down special is kind of annoying because it fucks up a few recoveries, but it otherwise is just a windbox that just gives you some space - you call it cheap when you're pissed because you got gimped, but Fox's down special is stupidly useful in practically any circumstance.
Fox's shine:
Wait what are start up frames again?
Fox's shine also: and whats that thing called end lag?
@@z_khas5819 l cancelling lol
@Frax ...? dude that's melee, melee is kind of a completely different game than ultimate..
You could say that melee had no sequel, but brawl had smash 4 and ultimate as a sequel. Melee feels so different, that it's just- it's like a new type of fighting game. And it's going strong while nearing 20 years old
@Frax i mean .. yeah. Smash is a platform fighter. It's different than other fighting games. But Ultimate is uh .. literally the most popular fighting game of all time since it has the most sales, so I would realllly count it as a legit fighting game.
Also it's technically a party game, huh
@Frax
... kay then man
If you want to say the most popular fighting game of all time isnt a fighting game just because it's different then I guess so.
OH yeah melee does actually have a sequel though- Project M (/project plus)
"Would be like a mix of kendo and fencing." So, like the original three movies where the lightsabers rarely made contact with one another and the fights were more philosophical debates punctuated by violence?
7:26 I literally forgot this was a video about Overpowered Moves, everything just became a Frame Data lesson
Where can I sign?
lol the FADC Baseball omg
Made my day. That needs to be a short clip by itself.
Also, we need to implement that in real sports. XD
That thing was pure genius!
I burst my water when I saw that. LMAO.
Derick Cheater! Lol
+Liraco imagine NBA jump shot recovery
When I played Tekken 4 with my older brother on the PS2, we thought that Hwoarang's Left Viper Kick was overpowered since it could be chained infinitely, but neither of us knew that one could simply duck out of it after the first two slaps.
lol the moment the baseballplayer dash-canceled the hit... dude your videos are freaking amazing! I actually learn stuff and the examples and editing is sweet... nice job
This shit should be taught in universities.
It is. They do degrees in game design now
Look up UC SANTA CRUZ. They have a video game department.
@@duffman18 I thought since we are in 2019, that would just require you to learn how to design microtransactions and lootboxes.
Only in VGHS
@@Sukaiba69 Not really, that's what companies teach
My fav fighting game move is a classic one that starts with a question and ends with death.
“Are you ok?”
BUSTER WOLF
Omg i can almost hear it
What game is that from?
@@jaimereupert4247 king of fighters or fatal fury
@@khaliphileskosana4536 yup, said by Terry Bogard.
@@chuyrenteria6252 mmhmm
Sick follow-through to FADC. Got that homerun on lock down.
Baseball would be 10 times more interesting with FADC-ing
Just imagine having to build up meter through getting struck out a couple times or hitting some singles or a double, and the sportscaster describing how much "butter" a batter is bringing to their turn at bat.
Can you imagine being the last person to hit as your team almost is down by a home-run and getting a last second Ultra?
0:47 "While you don't have to be a frame data god"
Clip shows M2k.
Dope shoutout.
Everyone is commenting on FADC baseball.
AND I ENTIRELY AGREE.
"The FBI says it can't find hackers to hire because they all smoke pot"
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but did anyone else find that kind of hilarious?
very! lol too high to contact your informant on a FBI case cause munchies was too strong lmao
@Paul Johnson They mean talented hackers who smoke weed get disqualified to work for the FBI. You must be sober to be hired by them
Hacking in to their headquarters? Cool, let's hire them! Oh wait, they smoke? Nah, fuck that!
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For those who are confused by the title, it was made with my casual friends in mind. They didn't know that making Ryu's cr.mk startup a couple frames faster could make the character broken, and that most balance updates focus more on frame data than anything else.
Nicely done I especially like this part. 4:45
Your channel has helped me improve so much and has helped me understand the game in a way none else could.
Thank you.
LMFAOOO THE EX BAT SWING KILLED ME Id do that all the time lmaaooo
lol im mean cancel
*"Now I understand fighting games being a little broken can be fun, but that's a topic for another video"*
Please, let this be for your next video!
+carlosthetruedragon yep, my favourite moment
4:46 King Crimson activated
It just works.
KIUNG CRIMSON NO NORIOKU
Nice
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K I N G U K U R I M U Z O N
Genocide Cutter is still a goddamn nightmare to me(and others).
Probably my most favorite infamous overpowered move is the Air Hyper Viper Beam in MvC2 by Cable, the hypercombo that can be combo'd into itself if you just landed and jumped again, with zero delay. The ultimate overpowered cheap move.
This guy amazes me with every video he does. He is capable of saying all that information in a record period of time. That must take you a lot of time along with editing the video, that's why i respect you and I think your videos are top.
The first move i can think about right now is zangief's cr HK in street fighter 2 champion edition
Thanks, man. Wish I could make more faster :)
What the Hell?! This is actually really in depth, calm, and civil. Like, even a filthy casual like me knew some of the basic stuff outlined in this video. I'm not complaining mind you. I'm just not used to anything about fighting games being so... polite and friendly (other than Maximillion Dood). Did I miss something between 2007 (when I quit fighting games) and 2016? Is the FGC not a hostile cesspool of tryhards, and edgelords bent on scaring away casuals and noobs anymore? Is now the time for a gamer like me, who's just looking for a fun match and not to practice for EVO, to get back into fighting games? It sure feels like it all of a sudden.
EDIT: Oh, and thanks for the video. I really appreciate stuff like this that sheds light on how games work and stuff like that.
Nah, it's still kinda bad.
Man, you guys sure are intent on scaring him off huh. But I have to admit, there's a reason I haven't really gotten into any besides the Skullgirls community. SGC is great, they're like "you want to play our game? Welcome aboard, and here's stuff you can practice to solve that problem you're having." They largely avoid the old-school cliquiness or the big-time dramatics. Vampire Savior community seems good too.
HiroProtagonest
A bit late, but i think a good root for SG’s welcoming community is as spite of other communities when they were sessentially kicked out of EVO due to Marvel hustling in
(Which is why the community laughed their ass off when MvCI got the boot)
Lol "did i miss anything will being gone for 9 years?"
@ even in casuals people are aholes lol, no finishing a set, opting out, rage quitting etc
one true-broken move in I forget which KoF was Rugal's Genocide cutter. screensweeper projectile that's a bitch to dodge, fast, eats a quarter of your health, and if you try and counter it with a projectile it can freeze into an impassable wall of instadeath that he's immune to.
then again, SNK boss priveleges.
Genius; guy tapped into something that no one else thought of, breaking down mechanics of large gameplay elements of complex fighting games into something that the average joe could understand.
His analogies were so good and the extra editing he did to illustrate his points were awesome. Subbed!
My favorite OP move is Pan's straight punch in Dragon Ball Final Bout. Its recovery time was faster than the hit stun duration, so you could keep punching until your opponent got K.O.ed. Basically, if you landed the punch when your opponent is not flying or jumping, you've won the match.
@3:32
In the original Starwars trilogy, 4-6, that's how lightsaber fights were
Especially in the one in new hope between Vader and obi won
@@e.n8461 no that is nowhere near fencing
or: high reward, low risk
cheese
RealLoader that would be witch time from smash 4
Like a move with balance frames but huge mixup potential thats almost unguessable
RealLoader This. Ultimately what makes anything broken is if it has a very high reward with little to no risk associated with it.
Sablonanime and don't forget her up special combos.
A 1 frame move that works in all situations, can lead to a death combo, has a jump cancel frame at 4, and can be reapeted at 7, can infinite combo, can be jced int an aerial (true combo) and can spike. This is the Shine.
a semi broken game like melee is fun as hell
it can't true infinte with out a wall and even then some characters can get out of it
it also doesn't lead to 0 to death combo's on the entire cast
it also has a fairly small hitbox
also you missed the fa ct that it causes tons of hitstun
its broken but you make it seem like a move that ruins the game
its a joke i main fox lol
i know this but it still is an infinite, just not a true infinite, and waveshines eat up marth, its just a joke mait
+TheSaucyPickle nah wave shine turn around is an infinite but it actually takes the hands of a god to pull off
I remember using the Game Genie back on the SNES version of SFII to make the boss characters playable. Playing as Vega(US), his crouching LK had the frames and sounds of just about any other LK attack in the game, but on hit had the damage and sounds of a HK. I literally was able to do a perfect run through the entire game using just about nothing but that move. It was broken af
I love the how you relate video game concepts to real life! It’s really intuitive and does wonders for the learning concept!
It is epic and funny
My first fighting game was soul calibur 2 GameCube version
SC has an accessible design but depth to it that I enjoyed, my father and I would bond over it because we both could play and beat each other
Then I started using Nightmare, I dont remember the specific attack name but the input was ↗️↗️B, which made Nightmare/siegefried spin at a diagonal angle while coming down with his 5 ft great sword for mass damage. Its easy to interrupt with a horizontal attack because of the start up frames, but id use it to punish vertical attacks because the move let me Dodge and attack simultaneously while catching his head during his recovery frames. I got gud at the other attacks but dad banned me from nightmare because thats the move id beat him with the most. He deemed the move overpowered
That move is still in SC5 and I can still catch people with it on competetive modes, and it brings a smile to my face barely winning with it after not using it for the whole match
Ah i know that move, its power surely comes from its easy input and unpredictability, but there are other moves way more powerful...
yeah but Link's throw
My favorite OP move in the Hardest MKDA arcade mode was Quan Chi's throw. I swear it's broken compared to the other throws. I couldn't play worth a damn otherwise, but when I spammed the move fast and hard enough, I would win (nearly) all the fights like that. Of course this didn't work on Moloch but his attacks are pretty slow and predictable once you get used to him, even on hard difficulty, because his move pool is limited.
Xavier Cxdfc SC IV is better because cassandra
yoshimitsus stone fists were broken as fuck
old video but i loved the baseball editing you did lol.
"It might look like this"
*flash*
"batter: im out suckas."
My favorite broken move in any fighting game:
Literally everything that every single character has in the arcade version of Hokuto no Ken by Arc System Works. A game so much more busted than any MvC game, so much more busted than Melee, we're talking so fucking broken...that every single character can *reliably* pull off combos that take off 100% of the opponent's health bar, and there's even 1 character who can do that without having any Aura, Boost, or Stars drained from the opponent's Star Gauge at the start of the combo.
If I had to narrow it down to just 1 move from Hokuto no Ken, though, it would be Raoh's Sai move. Raoh takes out his Sai and stabs through both his own foot and the opponent's foot, trapping the two of them together so that Raoh can keep the punishment going. This is the one move that allows him to form kill combos without any Aura or Boost, and it can be comboed into from both on the ground and in the air.
You could just have said that it has instant KO moves that can be used reliably. A beautiful mess
But it's more than just the Instant KO moves. (Known as Fatal KO's in the game.)
See, in Hokuto no Ken, there are a ton of physics glitches that allow for such things as:
-Dribble Combos
-Hyakuretsu Combos
-Basuke States (When your opponent is in this state, the round is pretty much yours.)
-A crap-ton of other things that I can't think of off the top of my head.
Just watch some high level play of HnK. After just a few matches, you'll start to question whether it's a fighting game, or a freaking basketball game.
FATAL KO
Oh yeah that sht that would ignore knock backs ...
Lmfao imagine that on a KoF / SF game internet would go insane, legit 1 special move and just spam normals till the guy dies.
That's basically it : 6:40
I actually find the idea of frame data pretty interesting (it's pretty neat to know how the nature of a fighting style affects play in games like this), and you laid the concepts down really well in a manner which was interesting and easy to understand. Great job on this video!
6:48 I would rely like to see a video on broken fighting games, some of the most fun I have with some of my friends is with the old marvel games and KI as well as both the ps1 and wii star wars fighting games (especially the wii one).
This would have helped a lot of people get more involved in the ESPN evo thing. Great vid.
Yeah, most people don't know how good a strong normal can be.
you are now the fighting game tut guy.
"Broken Games can be fun"
And you didn't use a picture of Hokuto no Ken
Yeah a friend reminded me right after I uploaded lol.
4:46 So it will be basically King Crimson from Jojo?
It just works.
Nah king crimson's ability wouldn't let him move things further than they are. The ball would've moved just as much as if he hadn't used the ability, but nobody could react to where it is now.
Kingu Kurimson No Ryouku
@@actualfrick YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE TRUTH
For someone who is not inner workings fighting game savy, that explained things really well for me. Thank you.
My favorite move is Pikachu’s back air in smash Ultimate. It auto cancels, so it has very low recovery frames, so you can combo it into itself, and it’s a really good tool for edge guarding.
Fox's Shine
That's it
Yes.
pro tip: just play fox and stop crying lol
Just pick samus
Jiggs rest and metaknight as a whole
I'm pretty sure this video is talking about fighting games
The FADC baseball analogy was spot on perfect. Core-A Gaming is a damn treasure.
Kinda sad he didn't mention melee fox's shine.
TopOfAllWorlds Or 64 Kirby's jank Up-Tilt
Or Marth's grab range
because melee isn't a fighting game kappa
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@@snartgaming4922 it has a kappa m8
"You don't have to be a frame-data god..."
lolm2k
This is a great video, it really helped improve my fundamental understanding of fighting games and as someone who is just getting into the genre I really appreciate that.
Ivan Ooze's Invulnerable Strike: Long Active Frames, Invincible (no hurt box), safe, and per game mechanics can be done during block OR hitstun.
Tournament Fighters Karai.
Ryus true shoryuken in sm4sh. Seriously, a block string that combos into a kill at 40% with just 4 frames of startup? Yes please
That's funny that they matched the SFV frame data to Sm4sh Ryu.
And has invincibility frames and a huge hitbox and active time making is surprisingly unsafe to punish.
To be fair he is helpless (aside from fastfalling or DI) until he hits the ground, but yeah.
Alexander M it doesn't matter, it has so much shieldstun and shield knockback that you have to perfect shield to punish it, and even then you need god like reflexes.
Kushala Eh, with a bit of practice and a good hitbox you can punish it OOS on reaction pretty consistently even when it isn't perfect shielded. It takes 19 frames for Ryu to rise and then about 30 frames for him to land + lag.
I fking love the baseball canceling animation, and... another "overpowered" thing beside the quick, high damaging attacks of Zankuro from Samurai Showdown 3 / 4 is the broken AI from MKII, "but thats a theme for another video"
Why is 4:46 so damn funny?
The sound makes it perfect :)
Haha, cause it was so unexpected
@@szczoteczka2233 But he already said what's gonna happen.
@@jp3813 If anything, that might make the joke funnier. I want to think of it like the 'bomb under the table' from Alfred Hitchcock, but for comedy. If you have no idea the the joke is coming, the shock and surprise of it is what makes it funny. But in the case your told it's coming then anticipation builds because your mind is engaged and imagining. For me at least, the idea of hitting a bomb down right center field and running a second after swinging is ridiculous. But seeing it happen kicks in the irony because that is not what happens at all in real life, but the contrast of it is what makes it funny. But hey, that's just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@jahimalnar7978 In other words, not unexpected.
Of course you put Geese Howard on the thumbnail.
Ahh, Meta Knight's Down-Smash in Brawl...how I miss thee...
Totally Anonymus *T O R N A N D O I N T E N S I F I E S*
**D O W N A I R. S P A M M I N G I N T E N S I F I E S**
S H U T T L E L O O P I N T E N S I F I E S
*G L I D I N G*
*I N T E N S I F I E S*
I DIDNT MAIN META-KNIGHT *INTENSIFIES*
It seems redundant to say it at this point, but the quality of these videos are just absurd. Great job!
May seem redundant to you, but still very meaningful to me :)
:)
I was thinking the same thing. This is my first view and I'm fairly blown away. Excellent editing and writing. Absolutely terrific.
I know nothing about fighting games, but you manage to make these vidoes both informative and fun to watch. Amazing work dude!
My favorite thing about Core A videos is how the title and thumbnail are made in a way that casual players would be interested in or understand, then a hat trick is performed showing an advanced concept explains it
I just noticed he used Iori's theme,"Arashi No Saxophone 2" in this video
For anyone wondering who want to check it out,it's Arashi No Saxophone cover from Consoul.
Pre-patched Injustice. Superman's super move that started up in one freaking frame. That shit was ridiculous. Even though they patched it to 5 frames, that's still as fast as most character's jab! The only upside is that it's punishable on block but even then, you have to find a correct distance to punish properly with a full combo.
Yeah and with his trait active this super does ridiculous damage.
Add lag and his lasers and you're practically screwed. Especially when your mains are Bane and Lex Luthor.
Look, Superman's the GOAT. The developers were only trying to make the game as accurate as possible.
Sagat's Heavy Punch in Capcom vs SNK 2
Sagat's Cr.Fierce: a normal so strong it can single-handedly win wars.
Basically an attack that can easily be performed at most times and has certain aspects that are unfairly overturned so that it can be repeatedly used giving the opponent little to no chances of decently defending. There I just answered the main question so that average people can stomach the answer.
Mine is probably meta knight tornado. The move it self has tons of active frames and covers meta knight completely from above and somewhat from the side. The interesting thing is that he should be zoned out by projectiles but because the move has such high priority and how the hit and hurt boxes match up, it allows meta knight to run through most projectiles in the game without getting hit or hurt himself
In SSB4, I found my “friend” ‘s weakness and used Corrine counter on predictable moves. He now rage quits whenever I pick him/her.
your videos should be longer, I'm addicted to them I feel like I waited to long for this one and I was kind of hoping you used a jigglypuff(melee) example on OP movements lol keep up the amazing job :)
jigglypuff has no broken moves though bair has a great hit box and can wall SOME characters out but it doesn't do too well against a good projectile shine is more op basically
Glad you liked it! If the channel gets big, I'd love to do 12-15 minute videos that go deeper.
Core-A Gaming I like your longer vids too
Son the baseball hit cancel had me dying xD
Your editing is top notch! Love all the little clips and sprites moving around
A.Rod would be toptier if he had a FADC on his homers.
I laughed so hard because of the frame data joke and the baseball FADC. Priceless.
omg not gonna lie. that made baseball look awesome!
LMAO that baseball hit cancel killed me! 4:42
U know what. That shade sliding off Newton’s surprised face got me. Subscribed!
ayyy the consouls.
this channel will be the saviour of the fighting game community
They are awesome.
Custom diy keyboard with cherry red switchable be like: 90000 doller
4:45 laughed way to hard at that
Genocide Cutter. thats it
Krizalid kick , not the Tornado thing...
Krizalid
One move
Can hit:
Low throw
High
OVERHEAD
COMMAND THROW IF POINT BLANK
COUNTERS INTO THROW IF HIT
Oh, and it knockdowns if it hits you!
Quan Chi! I WANT THAT LEG GONE!!!!
It probably has ALL POSSIBLE PROPERTIES EXCEPT INVINCIBLE!
I really like your visual presentation on top of the narration, it is funny and relevant at the same time with a mix from several media.
Just noticed the little arashi saxophone bit in the background music. Great choice, great video breakdown
...you're telling me there are people who exist who don't find frame data interesting? What the hell?
I know, the world we live in.
Hurt/Hitboxes should be in EVERY fighting game training mode.
Mr.Dolphin! Mr.Dolphin! Mr.Dolphin! Mr.Dolphin! Mr.Dolphin! Mr.Dolphin!
Being a developer and inadvertently discovering all this by myself was very interesting.
Thanks for giving a shout out to how single player action games have different frame data philosophies from fighting games! I was looking for this vid! Trying to make my own action adventure game
nice to use real life examples. Iceman's ice beam was probably most overpowered to me due to its chip damage
I agree. Personally, I never felt guilty about spamming that type of move against the CPU in arcades because I was POOR. I did whatever it took to make my 25 or 50 cents last longer. Though I never did that against a human opponent. I didn’t want a bad reputation in the arcades.
Wait, you never answered the question in the title. You just explained how frame data and hitboxes work.
*Uses clip from glory* Instant Sub
Hey I just wanted to say your videos are all fantastic. From the jazz music to the editing, all aspects of them are just spectacular. Keep up the great work and thank you so much for all of your insight, not just on fighting games, but gaming as a whole.
My favorite OP move is in Pokkén Tournament with Chandeler, is you press forward Y in 3D or forward X in 2D, you will do a quick Kamehameha
3:33 "a mix of kendo and fencing"
Basically Kenjutsu (AKA kendo but actually useful)
As someone who has taken kendo, i find kendo fairly usefull.
Would be a bit blind to not see where you're coming from though
Imagine ace of diamond with cancels 🤔
dear god that would be crazy
Imagine Hajime no Ippo with cancels. Every fight would be both ludicrous and insane. Except Miyata, he would still be a snore.
+Azmodeus87
Sendo would be unbelievable
Also Ippo canceled into Gazelle Punch from a jab against Sendo
magitician Agreed on the 1st.
A feint ain't exactly like a cancel. The closest anime thing i know to a cancel is a Stand from Jojo's that erases causality. Feints are closer in concept to White Len's or Makoto's movement clones.
+Azmodeus87 how about Miyata's jolt counter on Arnie Gregory? Seems similar to hadouken cancelled into Shinku hadouken. first hadouken was parried, blocked, neutralised etc
6:47 STILL WAITING FOR THE "WHY BROKEN FIGHTING GAMES ARE FUN" VIDEO.
=)
WE STILL ARE
Paul Phoenix nuclear punch from Tekken was always my favorite
I gotta say, the quality of these videos is ridiculously good and it's weird seeing this level of quality in a short video about fighting games.
It's like someone made a gourmet ham sandwich that costs $100 a plate.
This is a really well made and thought out video.
Can you make a video about why some final bosses are cheap?
I just want to get your perspective on the matter.
I think a lot has to do with the cpu ai doing inhuman calculations. Toolassisted probably knows a lot about this.
Pretty much this. I've played games where I'll be doing mix ups with 10 frame moves and the CPU will block it every time because it just knows. You only hit those types of CPUs when they decide to mess up. Not because you actually 'figured them out.'
The old arcade tradition of 'we want yo money'. Not to mention disatisfaction if they're not strong. We expect them to be. Seth from SFIV was laughable.
because it made money. the more you lose at arcades machine the more money you'll ended up spending to kill the boss. in some cases the cpu just cheated like in early capcom games and SNK bosses
I'd have to say my favorite is Ganondorf Upsmash. In Brawl it came out fast, had a huge hitbox, big range, and did a massive amount of damage. It was punishable, but it was safer than it should be and the hitbox and active frames were MASSIVE.
The same still applies in Ultimate, but it's a little more well rounded now.
4:45 lmaoooo omg I never thought I'd see a baseball bat swing cancel irl loool nooo
I can't say I ever thought I would ever see an FADC during a baseball game.... I liked it.
This was amazing and as a smash / ufc fan, felt tailored just for me. Thank you.
Anti air jab in SFV is my fav....... I hate that shit
It's a gift and a curse
Dat Boi Of the many things I can't stand in SFV that is near the top of my list xD
Love it. Ryu can anti air your cross ups with Jab reset. The definition of cheap.
The Treacherous Disciplin Makes me wanna throw my stick out my window or go play Killer Instinct instead xD
+KenStarSol I feel the same... Even for non cross up anti air jabs :D
Beautiful Video Bro. !!!!!
Thanks, man!
Dan the man with a plan and a van