What If Viserys Made Aegon His Heir? (House Of The Dragon)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- It's no question that the naming of King Viserys's daughter Rhaenyra Targaryen as heir to the throne spread division throughout the realm and it only worsened when he remarried and sired not one but three sons. Despite the traditon of the realm and expectations of it's lord the king refused to name his first born son heir to the throne. An act that very well could have doomed the house Targaryen. But what if the king made a different choice?
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Simply put if Rhaenyra was disinherited there would be no war because no one would support her.
Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂
Fans seem to forget that lords of Westeros only side with her because they swore oaths not out of loyalty of her as a person 😂
Especially all the fanfics about her, when she's disinherited. I swear they are crazy, you know how many I've seen where they just are all like "but Rhaenyra is perfect" even after she was outed as an adulteress bastard maker. It's crazy. Literally everyone except Rhaenyra's would rejoice.
@@Aaron_Guest Rhaenyra stans are the worst to be honest they dont live in reality. Its not like bastards are a big thing in a medievil society and its not like threatning people with mutilation will get people to side with her......
Facts. The Black's ALL had to be convinced with marriage pacts made by Jace, or in the Tully's case, a passive threat via dragon rider
The Greens needed a marriage pact with the Baratheons, true, but the Lannisters and Hightowers popped up regardless. (Well, Aegon's mom was a Hightower so I guess that's par for the course)
@@Aaron_Guestdelusional. You seem you be decrying her character as if Aegon isn’t an adulterer. Also people wouldn’t “rejoice” they just wouldn’t care.
@@VMohdude- Wut????
It’s almost as if rhaenyra was made heir exclusively to keep daemon away from power and when aegon popped up he was heir. no need to name someone, it just goes to him
Yup he names her to keep the throne from daemon and kept her heir out of guilt for killing her mom
Aegon II is made the heir? No Civil War occurs 😅 no one would push for Rhaenyra's claim other than maybe Daemon and his handful of homies, and that wouldn't be nearly enough to do literally anything with.
If they got the cannibal (dragon) on side that might swing things...
Here's another what if. "What if Daemon stayed as the heir to Viserys?"
basically a repeat of this video. because no matter what, viserys will remarry and get a son
If Rhaenys married Viserys they will be rule as King and Queen. No great council no dance of the dragons
I dont think they would want that. Viserys is such a soft boy and Rhaenys is too dominate. They wont work as a couple.
@lasloapollo4312
Plus they were both already wed
Old king take initiative on that marriage. It was purely a political one. After marrying Rhaenys to House Velarayon the access of dragons was open to house Velarayon.
Okay I have two what if suggestions and they're both interesting at least I think so.
First one is what if the series and Allison only had daughters. Like same amount of kids but all girls.
Second one I got is what if Otto suggested himself as a marriage candidate for Rhaenerya. I know that one is weird but I could see him doing it as a plan B if the series never changes his mind no matter what his blood ends up on the throne.
Tbh, the 2nd one I dunno about 😅
But if Alicent had only daughters, the only argument would've been a matter of Bastard Heirs over trueborn ones. Could still lead to conflict but, Daemon would still be seen as the male heir of House Targaryen, or at least his sons Aegon and Viserys
If they only had daughters then Rhaenyra would be the uncontested queen, specially since she married Daemon which would be seen by many to be the next logical King. The problem would arouse with the children. Was she married with Laenor before? Did she had bastard sons? etc.
Otto or otto's son, gwayne
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I mean either or could be cool
Could you do "What if Rhaenyra married Otto's son"?
Otto remains ideologically consistent outside of “whatever suits my houses needs”? Nah the best fact of this whole thing is that the Greens have to name a girl as their heir over a male claimant which runs counter to their entire position.
Then Otto wins period, though he might still try to push for Aegon to be if he still thought he'd be in danger. Because remember Alicent still marries Viserys.
@@Aaron_Guest I just like to imagine Daemon having an aneurysm at the news.
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@@Aaron_Guest If Rhaenyra marries his son, I'd imagine Otto wouldn't really push so hard for Aegon since regardless his blood would be on the throne.
I wonder what would have happened if Vizzy had just made a royal decree while alive that a King or Lord can choose any legitimate heir if they wish? Like what would have been the fallout during the dance if that were an option for other Lords and Ladies of the kingdom.
That would have caused chaos. If the lord czn just choose their favorite child as the heir, there would be succession disputes in every house.
the great council was the worst decision jaehaerys made. it gave the lords the belief that they had the right to choose the heir
Tbh it was fair. No clear ruler so he let the Lords decide and set precedence. It was Viserys' fault for either not continuing that precedence set, making laws and decrees to the law of succession itself instead of Rhaenyra just being an exception, or hosting a great council of his own
The issue is that it set the precedent of absolute male priority in succession. Therefore Viserys who only became king due to this precedent says his daughter gets to be Queen, screws up the system, because it is viewed as hypocritical and thus questions the legitimacy of all potential rulers, giving pretty much anyone a claim to the throne if they are legitimate and their daddy said so. This mindset later causes the Blackfyre rebellions...
@@Stay_Zeroseno it doesn't the blackfyre rebellion are many things this ain't one of them
Nah, he made the choice because it meant avoiding a Civil War
Daemon and Corlys were prepping Arnies in case Jaehaerys made the choice alone. Jaehaerys chose the best option.
Exactly, why should the sheep choose which Dragon to rule over them?
If Aegon was pointed out as the heir from the start none of the lords that made a oath would have followed Rhaenyra. Only the Velaryon and mabye deamon would support her. And imo if one of Aegons let his daughter marry one of rheanyro sons it would already help alot to fix things.
“As old king Jaehaerys might have done” Jaehaerys wouldn’t have disinherited her. He never would have named her heir in the first place.
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Really, all Viserys had to do to keep Rhaenyra as the undisputed heir is to NOT marry anymore. By remarrying, he presented an image that the King is still looking for a son, for an heir.
U do realise that one of the kings duty is to secure the royal line, a king is expected in westeros to have atleast 2 children and 3 to 4 is acceptable. There is literally a quote that's says the first born is heir and the second one is a spare, if rhanera was to die then there would be no clear successor and another great council would be called, especially since daemon was disinherited and exiled
What if Old King Jahaerys died before the Great Council, leading to a civil war a generation earlier?
What if Laena didn't die in childbirth, leading to Daemon never returning to Westeros and Aemond not getting Vhaegar?
What if Aemond WASN'T blinded and Otto married Aegon to one of the Velaryon girls after Laenor """died"""?
Edit: *half* blinded.
These are insanely cool ideas
@@Leaf-tf5oo Thank you!
I think you missed one disinheriting scenario. After Driftmark. At this point, Rhaenyra has had 3 obvious bastards, and one of them has carved one of the king's sons. That alone merited consequences, if Viserys had 2 braincells to rub together.
In the most severe case, he could have disinherited and exiled her and made the boys bastards to punish them. It would have made her hella salty, and the Velaryons would not be happy, but you would still get the internal conflict (with Vaemond's side supporting the decision, while Corlys raged about it)
The only downside I can see is that it would infuriate House Valaryon.
The Valaryons expected to be in line to the throne via Laenor’s marriage to Rhaenyra.
But if Viserys went back on that. It would be another smack in the face to the Sea Snake. Which might lead to strike 3 in his eyes.
1st strike. The great council ruling against them.
2nd strike. Viserys rejecting Laena to marry Alicent.
3rd strike. Viserys going back on Rhaenyra as heir to name Aegon.
I wonder what Viserys would do if Rhaenyra just... Tried to leave on Syrax after being disinherited? Or refused to say her vows if forced to a wedding? She'd see herself as having nothing to lose.
Well she doesn't actually have to be present to get married that's just a custom, they can just have the ceremony without her and she would be considered married. Then if she tried to leave with Syrax it all depends, if she leaves with just syrax then they would just let her go and spy on her like what the previous king did, if she left with Syrax and dragon eggs or other family possessions then she would be hunted until they are returned and anyone who hides her would be seen as a enemy of the king
Will there be a part two to “what if Rhaneys did it” video because you self it off on a very big cliffhanger and the civil war had not even stated yet in that video
Viserys dreamed of a son wearing his COLORS and Aegon the first crown. Aegon 2 doesn’t wear his colors and doesn’t represent his house , Alicent has dressed them boys in green for years to show that they were different from Rhaenyra’s children
Here’s a couple of ideas: What if Viserys married Rhaenys instead of Rhaenyra?
Also
What if, after Aemon died, Jaehaerys named Rhaenys Princess of Dragonstone?
Viserys never married Rhaenyra? Do you mean instead of Aemma?
or what if Aemon never died at all?
The second scenario would just have the dance of the dragons a generation early. No way Daemon would take that decision peacefully.
@@chrisanderson7258 Naw he likely would accept the decision without much pushback. This decision is coming from Jaehaerys himself, and all Daemon had at the time was a Valyrian Steel sword and a dragon.
Also this is after Aemon (Rhaenys father) dies, and not Balon (Daemon's father). So as far as anyone is concerned the succession is following regular Westerosi tradition of a niece inheriting ahead of her uncle.
@@thegreatpage5912 Well yeah except for the fact that Westeros won't accept a queen ruling them. Let's not even talk about Laenor's problem and his inability to procreate. The dance of dragons will still happen.
I believe Daemon would still have made Rhaenyra rebel
Viserys was just dumb and selfish. He was so worried about Daemon but it seems to me that if he had just let Daemon marry Rhaenyra, her claim to the throne would have been strengthened due to Daemon being a Targaryean who was already well loved by the gold cloaks and ppl would have seen it as him ruling instead of a woman. I just cant stand Viserys. He caused the whole drama by being selfish.
Except for the fact that Daemon is a terrible king and only make the realm worse.
I don't think he is evil. He just didn't want to deal with conflict. So he's not evil, he's just inept. He shouldn't have been king.
Daemon is hated throughout most of the realms that can make a difference in a war so that would be a bad idea also it gives the targs no political gain, the smartest thing to do was for visaryies to Marry the valaryon girl and name any male born from that line as heir, that would give them another dragon in seasmoke, the richest family in the realm and stop the beef resulting from corlys wife being skipped over. The family would be untouchable and stronger than when even aegon ruled, they would control both the skies and seas with no equal in the world.
What If Rhaenyra brought back the white stag. Would that have made vizzy see her as an true heir more or let go of his dreams
Also, if you’re being honest, his first son was that fit to rule at all his second son, he would’ve made a decent king while his brother would’ve made a great figurehead for the lords and clergy
Your alternative history is very optimistic
No War. Simple as that. Daemon however well..
Do you think in this scenario Aegon would still marry Haelena?
No I think Rhaena or Baela would be more logical as the Velaryons have dragons and still need to be won back and Daemon needs to be kept in check. I see this going more towards Aegon has to marry his choice of a Targaryen woman after causing too many scandals and he’s not into Helaena so he takes a shot with either Rhaena or Baela
Yes. Helaena has a dragon. Viserys would not allow that power to be handed over to another family (note, none of the Targ daughters who married out of the family had dragons), and Aegon is the best candidate in the family, with the best prospects. It's either him or Jace, who isn't in line to inherit anything in this world.
@@kittycheshire5099 I am not questioning what you wrote but here is a thought. King Viserys allowed Rhaenyra an opportunity to choose her husband aka there was a chance that the dragon rider princess would go to a different family.
@@elinakangas571 he planned for Rhaenyra to be queen, so it wouldn’t be her going to a different family. Her husband would be joining her family instead.
Interesting as ever.
Still the fact you have a bunch of short tempered teenagers with dragons may matter more than issues of succession. Sooner or later someone on a dragon is going to attack someone else on a dragon and other dragon riders could well get involved...
Plus if Aegon becomes king Daemon will assume Otto's coming after him and he probably won't wait around to see what happens...
I'm always pro-Rhaenyra idk
10:30 that is not true. He prefers Rhaenyra over Daemon. It has nothing to do with gender. If Rhaenyra was a man and Alicient had 4 daughters you better believe those girls would be pushed to become the next Queen.
The war would’ve happened regardless, but instead it would’ve been for the rouge prince says he won, need to become king and be & bee heir 2 his brother and he enjoys messing up Otto ambitions
Fun fact daemon never wanted to be king all he wanted to do was be important for his brother, infact in the books when he did become king/ queens consort he immediately left kingslanding and was just drinking, having sex in brothels and going dragon riding with his friend/ lover, until rhaenyra asked him foe help again which at that moment he bid his lover farewell then said that he's lived too long before going of to die in a fight.
It’s very interesting that the Lords want to interfere with the royal house who have different customs the Royal family origins is from a different continent and they practice a different faith you don’t see the rest of the south try to influence the north because they got different customs but everybody want to give the two cents how the royal family should maneuver and it’s almost like these Lord still know that the only business they got is managing and development their own land
They dont practice a different faith, they converted to the Seven by the time of Jaehaerys and so on. They only differed in customs. It makes all the sense that all the lords ruled over by this family want to have a say on who rules them and is making the laws they have to enforce and who they pledge Feudal bows to. Who rules on top has a HUGE effect on them, so makes sense they want to mingle on who is the King. Then there is the religious motive of "Chosen rightfully by the Gods". Your argument sorry, is flawed.