Garabaldi Pwns future Nazis
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2012
- From Babylon 5, season 4, "Deconstruction of Falling Stars"
A thousand or so years in the future, the Government of Earth has turned to Fascism. In an attempt to create propaganda, they have recreated four of the founders of the Interstellar Alliance, the organization that promotes peaceful cooperation between worlds.
Unfortunately for these future Nazi's, they made their holographic recreations too good, and they didn't realize just how much of a bad-ass Michael Garibaldi was... 
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The problem with recreating a man like Garibaldi is that you GET a man like Garibaldi.
That is so apt
Someday, when our tech is advanced enough, someone will create this character in a holodeck, and for their sake they'd better not have nefarious intentions, because Girabaldi will do something similar to this to them.
@@gabrielvazquez7147 Makes me think of the Star Trek episodes with Moriarty...
@@charlesdaugherty321 You can see this and make that connection? You are obviously as rabid a Sci-Fi fan as I!
@@gabrielvazquez7147 Remember thats not what most people are gonna do in a holodeck.
"Rest easy, friends. Rest easy."
Rest easy, Jerry. You did good. Rest easy.
And Mira
And Richard.
and Andreas
And Stephan.
And Michael
Still love that scene, dead for centuries, even as a hologram Garibaldi still sorts out the bad guys, like some avenging spirit from the beyond. That final "rest easy, friends" to his long-departed comrades feels all the sadder these days since we lost Jerry
Sad that Sheridan (Bruce Boxleitner) is the only one of the four still alive.
@@Tara_Li That's a sobering thought. One i had forgotten about.
@@ScorpiusZA. Yes. We've lost far too many of that crew.
@@Tara_Li even sadder when you realize that his character was the first to die in the story :(
@@Tara_Li It's very sad that we've lost most of the main cast in such a short time.
Those of us who watched these shows in the 90s had no idea we were in the golden era of sci-fi!
True
@@professorx2607 True-True.
!
There should be a light or something that tells you when you’re living in the good old times.
@@uss_04 Oh, but there is one...it turns on about fifty years later
you'll figure it out at about the peak. realizing that sooner or later there can be a complete slump in tv, that is if you've watched enough networks pump stuff out. but its also easier to not appreciate what you have to lose until it disappears too.
Taken as a separate episode, without the context of Babylon 5, this would be a fine addition to The Twilight Zone. One of the hour-long season 4 episodes, written by Rod Serling himself.
"The future is closer than you think. But even then, there will still be men who stand beside their friends, even after death has taken them. In The Twilight Zone."
I think the outer limits did an episode based on this concept with sentient holograms.
@@Howyaduing Old or new version?
@@paulcoy9060 newer version
@@Howyaduing yes, in the 90s. it was with that chuck from Species, i think. good episode.
in this scene Garabaldi was the literal manifestation of "Even in death I still serve."
RIP jerry
When Daniel makes the tactless joke “You can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs,” after rattling off projected casualties in the millions, even as the holographic Garibaldi laughs, you can tell by his face that he wants to punch the smug scientist.
He did punch the smug scientist.
With a multi-megaton fist.
The old you can't make an omlete line is a quote from Stalin.
@@kdrapertrucker LOL what? no, it’s not.
No need to punch the dead man walking. Only stall long enough that you get to see the look of dawning horror spread on his face.
@@kdrapertrucker no, the earliest recorded in writing use of the phrase is from 1859 by T. P. Thompson. Others have used it since and all before Stalin.
There's a reason why Garibaldi identifies so much with Daffy Duck ("The Egyptian God of Frustration"). All you see with Garibaldi is the cartoonish goofball, right up until he drops an anvil on top of your head.
Play a bufoon, then manuever your opponents right where you want them. I wonder if Vir Cotto was doing that all along by playing a clownish, spineless wimp, then getting paid off by getting to see Morden's head atop a pike on the grounds of the Palace on Centauri Prime ?
Daniel Appleton No, Vir was exactly what he appeared to be, a shy akward butterball given to Londo more as a joke, nobody in the Centauri royal court took the Babylon 5 ambassadorship seriously at the time, but the job was more serious than they thought and Vir grew stronger because of it
FerretJohn I was just putting forth a " What if ? " scenario. After all didn't Vir also use his position to release some Narn captives from Centauri imprisonment ?
Daniel Appleton He did later on, series four I think. The episode where his wife was a mass murderer.
Stuart McClurey That's what I liked abt B5. Characters could grow & develop, turn from enemy to ally & vice - versa over time.
As well-known as this scene is, something I think it's often overlooked is how it provides a form of closure to Garibaldi's victimization at Bester's hands. Within the story of just the TV series he was never able to take revenge for what Bester had used him for. But the fascists of Earth 500 years later work as good stand-ins for people like Bester. Long after both Bester and Garibaldi were gone, some part of Garibaldi was able to put a stop to what his original self was never able to.
Well, we don't really know that do we? Just because there were never any episodes written to cover that topic doesn't mean that Garibaldi didn't get his revenge. That was set up with him and Lyta after all. She promised him to break his conditioning if he promised to help her first so the story thread for his revenge was clearly set up, but because they stopped making more B5 were never so the conclusion of that tread. I think he did get it.
Garibaldi does finally get his over Bester but it's in the novel series, The Passing of the Technomages, I think.
@@fmlazar Psi-Corps trilogy. And yes, he does get his revenge.
This was also meant to be the next in the Lost Tales, but sadly never got funded. It was also going to come up in Crusade.
Season 5 was a wasted opportunity it should have been used to close up some of these story arcs. The thing with the telepaths didn't make any sense, why couldn't have they gotten asylum in minbari space like what happened with that female telepath in season one?
"END SIMULATION!"
"Oops, guess the system's busy. By the way, this little lab of yours, it wouldn't be on a military base, would it?"
Pure Garibaldi. There was just a little something more than a mere hologram in that room.
You see, that's the thing about seeking a full recreation of a man like Garibaldi--you get a man like Garibaldi.
As the saying goes--"Be careful what you wish; you just might get it."
my thoughts exactly.
I guess they made the holographic Garabaldi a little too realistic. :)
“Rest easy friends, rest easy”
Garabaldi’s spirit was in that hologram that day. Rest easy friends.
Watching this now, today... and the only one not "resting easy" is Bruce. Mira, Jerry and Richard are all exploring beyond the rim.
Sadly so many of the cast are no longer with us.
Indeed very sad
Shit, I didn't know Mira Furlan was dead as well.
@@redplague
According to Wikipedia, she died, age 65, on the 20th January 2021, from complications relating to having contracted West Nile Virus ...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_virus
... and, no, me neither ...
I can't think of a Sci-fi show, filmed since 1990, that has lost so many of its lead actors, and all at a relatively young age ... really tragic ...
@@redplague West Nile virus as I understand it.
The fact that Garibaldi was one of Jerry's first acting jobs. He was goddamn GLORIOUS in the role. Would have LOVED to have met him. He was the last part in the Londo/Garibaldi/Gkar trio that I wanted to meet. :(
Had dinner with him once in LA. Good guy. He ran for congress in the San Fernando valley (lost big time as he was a republican).
@@DennisRayWingo I never knew much about his political views, I know he had a radio show, but everyone seems to have a radio show-usually ones I don't care to listen to. Hopefully he was a exception?
Met him at the Origins convention between seasons 2 and 3, I was working as a demonstrator for a small game company so I got into the hall early, got him to sign a B5 RPG that was new that year, he took the time to talk for a bit and was very pleasant
Met him at late 90s Marcon in Columbus Oh. I’d returned to home and was attending the convention. Old friend was running con volunteers and was short handed. We’d worked conventions before. So she grabbed me, asked if I was busy and if I could help watch over guests at the autograph table. Next thing I know I’m sitting next to Jerry helping keep things moving.
Spent the next few hours next to this wonderful man. He was funny and kind and a delight to be around. Someone came up with their daughter of around 4 or 5. Every thing came to a halt as he devoted his whole attention to this little girl, making her laugh and smile. It was a good day.
In the end, he was an absolutely hysterical wacko nutjob right-wing conspiracy theory kook. He interned on Michael Savage's show, if you know who that absolute peach is. Very sad and pathetic ending to a brilliant stock market and acting career.
I love how Garibaldi plays to the man's greed and his arrogance that a computer program can't possibly do anything to harm him.
well Garibaldi didn't lie technically as it was the enemy's that attacked first🤣🤣
Michael Garibaldi: Be it in flesh or his hologram 500 years later, he still kicks ass.
First time friends of mine and I watched this, we were quite the fans of the character.
Nearly 500 years in the grave and as a computer simulation...
Garabaldi is so awesome his own replicas kick ass from beyond the grave.
Pity the guy who plays Garibaldi is a complete arse in real life
And sadly he is now gone. :(
pity you're a piece of shit who cannot disagree with someone politically without calling him an arse. your opinion is worth zero as equal to your IQ number
Montreal95 Jerry Doyle was still a piece of shit dude
He wasn't. you on the other hand are a piece of shit
he made 3 mistakes.
1: he brought back garibaldi.
2: he underestimated garibaldi.
3: he pissed off garibaldi.
you left out the 4th mistake he did not try to lie to Garbaldi and sy the fleet was targeting reserch and milatary bases only
There are three rules in Babylon 5
1)Don't piss of Delene.
2) Don't piss off Mr Garibaldi.
3) Ivanova is God.
@@admiralsquatbar127 I thought Ivanova is Death Incarnate?
I'm guessing Danny Boy might have had better luck with Riddick. Oh, wait, I just made two mistakes there.
One, Riddick doesn't belong to the B5 canon. Two, I underestimated Riddick. Always a big mistake. Guess I oughta be glad he don't exist, else I'd have to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder -- not that that would have helped. He's just that damn skilled of a predator.
Can you imagine what would have happened if he'd brought back Ivanova in full?
The very sad part of this video is that over half of the actors in this scene are no longer with us.
RIP Jerry Doyle 😟 60 is much too young
I didn't know until I read this. Sad.
So many of the cast of B5 have passed on, and too often at an early age ...
Rest Easy, my friends; it was a joy, and a privilege, to know you ...
😭😭😭
He's gone to beyond the Rim where the old ones are waiting for us
@Dick Fageroni Almost didn't make it past 40 after living inside the bottle for almost 25 years. I only wish Jerry Doyle were as lucky.
With that whole base destroyed it's amazing that the Rangers were able to come across this snippet of information a million years later. That kind of thorough investigation deserves some major kudos.
The one thing all dictatorships are is maniacal with their recordkeeping. More than likely before the bomb dropped all of this was stored in a server somewhere safe from the destruction.
Easy. Garibaldi's hologram broadcast it out. All of it.
That sort of thing in uncovering the truth had been a cornerstone of who the Anla-Shok are.
I've watched this scene however many times, and just got the hint that when he said he broadcasted it all out, he likely doesn't just mean a recording of their conversation - he likely broadcast out his entire program. Garibaldi wouldn't have been one to accept his death when there's people like our doctor here planning genocide.
Wit of Garibaldi is so sharp, his hologram managed to become a diplomat and Technomage in 5 minutes.
The big weakness of computer systems needing to become more interconnected in a big network for thing to run properly is that this becomes very probable.
.....welll "Hacker", Technomages are Shadow-Tech after all!
@@mho... Some Shadow Tech, some Vorlon Tech, some Tech from other ancient races.
Heinleinian hero: Even when he's _dead_ he finds a way to obliterate the bad guys.
Even as a digital " ghost ", Garibaldi is not to be trifled with.
Yes, he's EDITH.
He had been a GROPOS ... mobile infantry during the Earth-Mimbari war.
That’s because if you’ve got a skill then even a digital recreation will have your same skills assuming the computer sets you up correctly. Myself? I’m very good at tactical level command. Fighting on the frontlines and giving altering plans to suit the situation. My brother is better at the strategic level and has a better grasp of the “ bigger picture “ then I can wrap my head around. A computerized recreation of either one of us would theoretically retain our unique respective skill sets
@@matthewcaughey8898 They forgot to run Garibaldi in a Sandbox :)
Wow, even as a hologram, Garibaldi is a man not to be underestimated...
I am still convinced that the soul of Garibaldi possessed that hologram.
Even virtual, Garibaldi is a pain in the ass.
Yeah, but he's also a gangsta.
You could say he's virtually a pain in the ass.
"You're lying."
*WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP*
*smile*
Holograms don't lie Dannyboy
This scene always got me teary eyed. Garibaldi will kick your ass and protect his friends, regardless if he's dead or alive.
This is one of Jerry Doyle's more interesting scenes from Season 4. Rest easy, friend. Rest easy...
"I never get involved in my own life, too much trouble"
The show would have gone maybe 5 episodes with out Jerry. He was the linchpin of the entire show. He was to B-5 as Alan Alda (Hawkeye) was to mash.
Loved this scene. "Truth will out." And don't summon the holographic "ghost" of Mr. Garibaldi unless you're truly prepared for it.
Damn, even as a hologram, Garabaldi is still a genius!
As I have an intense love for Babylon 5, this particular scene when they are all back was really emotional. One by one were being reprogrammed for propaganda, yet Garibaldi, the MAN he is saves the day.
That final line he says when staring at his now reprogammed blanl friends just standing there, he remarks rest easy my friends, I lost it.
So emotional to think, 500 years later.
Jerry Doyle died way too soon. If you ever listened to his talk show, you know how close to Garibaldi he was in real life as well.
story i heard was that when he auditioned they asked him "what part ae you auditioning for" he answered "the part you are going to give me" the casting people looked at each other and as a group answered "Garabaldi"
While it's not what killed him he really had a bad smoking habit. I shared an elevator with him, the actress that played Delenn (she's way shorter in real life than you see in the show) and the actor that played the doctor at a convention once and he stank of cigarette smoke. So he was clearly pretty addicted to smoking along with drinking.
@@shadizarsilverhand2502 Jerry had deep rooted alcohol problems, he really was what he was on screen unfortunately for him.
The best part was his "favorite episode" when he got paid in full for lying down the entire episode with Garabaldi in a coma.
Yes, I used to listen to the show; I even had the pleasure of meeting him briefly at one of his book signings. 😀
2:20 "so while you were downloading the New World Order into me" - gotta love that little inclusion. Love how even a computer simulation of Garibaldi in the distant future screws up their corrupt plans haha
The problem with creating an accurate representation of Garibaldi is that you GET Garibaldi.
BTW, the bad guy is the actor who played George on the Alien Nation tv series. So, its a cross of actors between two of my favorite sci-fi shows as a kid.
plus Star Trek and Little House on the Prairie....
He is also the ex-husband of Jennifer Tilly's character in the movie Liar Liar. :)
He also used to have his lawn cut by the father of the flatmate of the brother in law of a guy I once held an elevator open for....small world!
yay, Eric Peirpont(or Peirpoint, I'm not exactly sure which).
Always wondered what Francisco looked like out of his makeup!
Jerry Doyle, rest easy friend, rest easy.
Even as a Hologram, long after Garibaldi was gone, he still shreds his opponents.
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."
What a depressing scene. But I love it.
At this episode's final scenes, I'm left wondering what the other records over the next million years from 3262 were like. Did humanity go through the same cycle over and over again, or did they learn from their mistakes? At the end though, they did earn the right to go to the Vorlon homeworld after all.
@@evertonporter7887 They did learn their lesson.
I guess we'll file this one under the "Holodeck Malfunction" trope.
***** lol. as the guy runs out he hits the real wall
I dunno, I think Garibaldi was being Garibaldi to the hilt!
...no, *this* one comes down to being the (web) authors of their own destruction.
Tropes are for retards.
Actually, I would class this as 'Gone Horribly Right'. They wanted a hologram that had the mannerisms of Garabaldi. They got it.
@@tanall5959 ...right in the teeth!!
Considering the social and psychological maneuvering (and the illusion to light and shadow), I really love the checkerboard design on the walls. Garabaldi was playing 5d chess the entire time, but the man didn't even realize he was playing a game.
I remember watching this episode and thinking "wow, being able to have a video of someone saying what you want would be scary" and now we have that tech, thank you deep fake...
I swear I am tired of hearing political commentators in ads that they don't endorse. Like WTF isn't that illegal. I know joe rogan aint going to tell me to get 6500$ from the government.
I love all the character growth that happened on this show. Who would have imagined how scary a guy Garibaldi would end up being.
Even as a dead man, Mr. Garibaldi owns everyone.
You spelt "Jerry Doyle" wrong... or perhaps not.
@@AlexanderWright1 Yeah, I wish Mr Doyle hadn't also passed on, like his TV counterpart, by the time I'd posted this comment, but he pwned just the same as a real-life person, so you could spell his name either way because he brought life to that character.
I loved his character. Just like all the others his personal growth throughout the series was phenomenal. This is a great example of his wit
I think for the holograms they used actual mental scans of the people, They had things like that on file, so Garibaldi's program would have Garibaldi's hacking knowledge.
Their holoography is easily better than anything in Star Trek : TNG, DS9 or Voyager, then.
Definitely. It also incorporated logs they made.
Psych reports, after-the-fact analyses (particularly after Delenn called them on their bullshit spin near the end of her life), records of all sorts, and sophisticated modelling systems as designed by people seeking to know and better subvert how people think.
I'm sure the post-material Ranger gathering this (and the other human records) prior to Sol's end must have noted the ironies involved (and thanked all the stars to his system didn't unleash Michael Garibaldi the way those neo-nazis did)...
Daniel Appleton the holography here is based on Draal's system on Episolon 3, which was literally the best of its kind in the universe.
Star Trek holograms are solid photons with limited functions apart from the Voyager EMH.
or ones that were devised by other races that became self aware of course that also happened when the hirogen took voyager holo deck tech.
Rest Easy, Jerry Doyle, Rest Easy, Old Friend.
God I loved this show!
Garibaldi was the best. They were all the best! :)
Nicholas Dickens Buying the whole series on BluRay (all Specials included) was the best thing that I ever did for my collection.
You can get it on Blu-ray?
KrautGoesWild You can get it on Blu-ray?
+Nicholas Dickens DVD. No Blu-Ray editions exist. Probably never will; The show wasn't filmed the same way as Star Trek was, so the upscaling would really show some problems, especially the Amiga Video Toaster CGI effects. You'd have to spend millions redoing the CGI, and Warner Brothers just doesn't want to spend that kind of money, hence why we never got a sequel to Lost Tales nor the feature film that JMS wanted to do. It's very sad, really. :(
Reese Kaine I did think that. Also I believe WB didn't keep the CGI files so a completely top down restoration isn't sadly possible.
still one of the absolute best moments for Garibaldi! Still gives me goosebumps! RIP Jerry.
"So while you were downloading the New World Order into me" .... LOL ~ love Garibaldi's hologram in this ... even as a computer hologram , he figured it out and shut things down ... I guess they were just too accurate in their holographic projection! hehe
Although it's not the so-called Nazis really ... this is about our current order and how it actually is now (international banking, media controlled by a few, governments corrupt and politicians chosen .... it is corrupt but hidden under a fake and owned media which projects a certain image to us .... and this episode shows the extent of how fake media that can be projected upon the minds of the populace .... how amazing it would be if a hologram of Garibaldi could destroy the New World Order in centuries to come LOL
David King it is a homage to George Orwell's 1984 with the mention of "truthspeak" and "realfact". Daniel works for an organization similar to Big Brother, which is a totalarian state; the SS symbol on his uniform is a subtle hint to the Nazis
@@SantomPh ...not very subtle, in my opinion.
@@davidking7205 Anti-Semitism on the sly...
Do you remember when Garibaldi tried to show off his comp skills...and made the door open and close repeatedly rather than accomplish what he wanted to accomplish? :)
Garibaldi as a person, is good with people. Specifically, pile-driving scum-bag people into the fucking floor. Garibaldi as a machine on the other hand, is good with machines.
In his defense then, he couldn't get into the right part of the system. When you're the GITS, you're already _there._
The human Garibaldi was a techphobic numpty who carried a real gun around. The hologram Garbaldi is an EMH
@@SantomPh A certain amount of that was gaslighting. Also, that good old ballistic gun did on occasion take down security threats the energy weapons wouldn't.
Don't make Virtual Intelligence out of a hacker.
Just like with the weeping angels, a copy of Garibaldi IS Garibaldi.
Rest easy, Jerry Doyle. You will be remembered!
Gotta love how the enemy mounted a strike force within SECONDS of hearing this.
They moved at "plot" speed.
Missiles in two-minute striking distance of your mortal enemy.. the Soviets did try something like that with Cuba and it didn't work out but here, no problem. Guess the enemy is sneakier than the Soviets!
From what the idiot 'genius' scientist said "the current goverment" sound like a faction that split from main Earth gov and took several stratigic resources and the main goverment thought leaving them alone was a good idea.
If true, then the main goverment had access to Earths orbital defense, and im guessing a orbital bombardment is a LOT faster than conventional missles.
Both sides were ready to fire. Garibaldi exposed that the Nazi side were ready to attack so the other side fired first to stop it.
The next scene shows that Earth was burned and regressed into Middle Age tech, meaning some of the Nazis got their hits in.
There is the very good chance that the "surprise attack" may not have been as much of a surprise as these people thought. They are on earth so even using 1960' tech LGM 30 "minute man" had flight times measured in minutes and SLBM's even less depending on how close they Sub was to the target. If the launch platform is in orbit, especially a low orbit flight time is going to be pretty small. If it
It's like Moriarty in Star Trek. You get more than you bargained for. This is also why you don't wana piss off Garabaldi.
"Rest easy, friends; rest easy." :)
Geribaldi got so many kills that day the announcer said "Quintuple Perfection".
GBRyker61 *halo 2 multiplayer announcer* “from the grave! perfect kill! Pentakill! Running riot! Rampage! Spree ended!”
Well he inadvertantly caused the Great Burn that sent man back to thr Middle Ages, toi
His closest Bruce Willis performance
Whoever came up with this plan to give holograms all personality and skills was an idiot and cost them dearly. Well played hologram garibaldi. :)
Although if/when technology reaches that level. Think of the nonstop episodes of programing that can be developed.
So ruthlessly, nakedly hungry for power that he doesn't even bother to question why a man, even a machine dreaming it is that man, who spent his life fighting all the things that the scientist represents would want to help. Straczynski never said that the battle of Good versus Evil would ever be easy or even an inevitable victory for Good. But he does, throughout the series, point out that Evil is never served by its naked, selfish hunger. Whereas Good is better served by people who are willing to fight and die (and live!) for others.
As soon as he ordered the computer to shut down Garibaldi ....and he didn't shut down..... shoulda clued 'Danny' into the fact that Garibaldi was now running the show. 😆
Shocking to see that 3 out of 4 main actors in this clip have already died.
The scene where Daniel says to holo-Delenn that the real Delenn is long deceased really gets me now that Mira Furlan passed away last week.
Garibaldi was every bit as cunning and vicious as Mollari, only without the thin hint of a being a noble.
Rest easy Jerry Doyle. You will *_never_* be forgotten.
God, I love Garibaldi. Even Garibaldi Light can pull off some of the most deliciously vicious vengeances and delightfully ironic bits of justice on the deserving with just a dash of “beetch, I told you so.”
The Nazi similarities you'll notice if you watch the whole episode.
The concept of Lebensraum, or room to expand. This faction wants to leave the alliance so they can go to war with their neighbors and take their land. Heavy reliance on propaganda. Launching a pre emptive strike, The SS symbol.
While they don't specifically state what form of government they are, its pretty clear it has a lot of similarities to fascism.
GhostInTheShell29 Or " Big Brother " from " 1984 ". Concepts like " real - facts ", " good facts ".
Daniel Appleton As long as there was no "Newspeak" implemented ;)
Daniel Appleton
Ideologically libertarians are for smaller government, more freedom and more restrictions on government.
These views are represented by politicians.
Who are corrupt.
So realistically libertarian politicians are for small government when its in their interest, and for big government when it fits their other personal agenda's like companies that give them campaign contributions.
Much like you can say Democrats are for affordable health care. But Democrat politicians made health care less affordable.
Ideology and what the politicians do... don't match up much in a system as corrupt as the U.S.
+Daniel Appleton Libertarians do want small government. What they don't want is to deal with the implications of their political and moral views, which are almost but not quite indistinguishable from Somalia-style warlord anarchy. They seem to believe that such things won't happen in a world that fits their beliefs because magic-Ben-Stein-supply-side-pixie-dust. It's essentially a world view where it is your moral obligation to ignore the fact that actions have side effects.
+WashashoreProd " pie - in - the sky ", Lotus- Eaters, head - in - the - clouds types, in other words, yes.
Usually viewers assume that the fleeing character vanishes into some kind of wormhole or teleportation device, but it is more likely that it's just another hologram or force screen setup of some kind, and he's stuck trying to leave the base by a more conventional means.
RIP Jerry Doyle
I used to listen to his radio show when I was a teen.
Never ... EVER .. underestimate the power of an intelligent, heuristic, LEARNING hologram!
B5 was such a great sci-fi show, because it wasnt a sci-fi show. it was a space opera
One of the most timelessly triumphant TV quotes: "Holograms don't lie, Danny boy." 🖖🏻🖖🏼🖖🏽🖖🏾🖖🏿
I miss Jerry Doyle, he was one HELL of a fine actor and political commentator. Used to listen to him on the TRN network, but the station dropped it after 2012. Didn't find out that Jerry had passed on 2016 till recently....
Mortality has been really hard on this show.
Love the '1984' language ;)
The good old trick of letting the villain talk and thus reveal his sinister plan. We already know this from various Bond films, for example.
Even from beyond the grave Garabaldi can still kick ass
So cool that Eric Pierpoint played Daniel in this episode of "Babylon 5". I liked him as the Newcomer cop George Francisco on the cult classic 1990s sci-fi TV series "Alien Nation".
That's every dangerous ghost in the machines.
That guy had a twin brother who worked for section 31.
That guy got the full "Garibaldi kicks you in the ass" experience
I mean he gave Garibaldi a loaded Weapon in his Holo-Hand's and Garibaldi didn't hesitate for a second to pull the trigger😂
I really didn't like this episode, but this was a really badass Garibaldi moment.
"Looks like a future Illinois nazi."
"I hate future Illinois nazis."
Probably not a good idea to create a perfect neural clone of Michael Garibaldi and then piss him off
"Rest easy friends".. Out of the 4 of them in that final scene, only Bruce Boxleitner is alive.. So sad
Garibaldi was so badass, even his simulation kicked ass.
As I recall though, the retaliation did lay waste to the entire Earth.
fmlazar the Priest in the far future said the Great Burn was missiles from both sides. The Alliance won but decided not to help Earth so quickly this time in order to help it recover.
Can you explain? I never understood why they didn't rebuild earth. I mean one side of the humans won this civil war. Am I right: the Priest lived in the same time as the human who studied the history?
Well from the rest the episode I got the feeling Earth was literally bombed back to the stone age and that the other Offworld Humans were maybe too busy or didn't care, remember what Marcus said about Earth , it wasn't home to him, it was just some nameless thing they gave 20% of their income ,to get back when needed, and by they got back, the Earthers probably didn't want their help after society had devolved into a new dark age and time would be needed to for Earth to forget that anger and slowly restore them back
ASTAROTH The section with the priest was set in the year 3262, 500 years after the Second Earth Alliance Civil War, a war which destroys most of Earth civilisation. The man watching that clip is from a million years in the future.
Yeah, but in the big picture, this was the better option. Or the lesser of two evils if you will.
What I love about this is similar to stories I've seen in other multi-forms across differing entertainment. It basically comes down to never mess with a Legend, even when they are dead. As it's likely to come back and hurt you in unexpected ways. They would not be legends otherwise.
15 to 20 million casualties in a first strike is actually really really low if you consider this is a future war where mass drivers that can wipe out worlds exist. You'd think the death count would be something like 15 to 20 billion.
As great as the work J.M.S. with Babylon 5 was, the only thing J.M.S. wasn't that good was to estimate civilian casualties on the scale of an interstellar war with dozen if not hundreds or thousands of worlds involved.
Even in the Earth Minbar war the numbers of civilian casualties was set way too low for such a four years war with so many blood shed.
most universes have issues with numbers!
-40k universe has the same problem.....
they got planets with hive citys, where every city has more people then earth today(5-20billion) & they got multiple per planet of these... soooo what? 20-100 billion people on a world? easy!
and then they have planet spanning wars with (only) millions dead, just makes no sense!
-star trek did the same tho...
(i think it was ) 700 million dead after WW3?, before they invented warp. seems waaay to low too, for a planet bombed back to the stoneage!
Garibaldi could be devious when he needed to be, even as a hologram projection after the original Garibaldi died. I've looked for this scene before, BTW. The future shown here seems very Orwellian. " Facts " are malleable. Or quite neo - Nazi, since Danny - boy is wearing an SS ( Like 2 stylized lightning bolts ) insignia on his lapel. Daniel / Danny was played Eric Pierpoint who played George Francisco on " Alien Nation " in the mid - 80's.
He was repeatedly in Star Trek shows too. as well as Sliders and Time Trax.
He's certainly a Familiar face.
Holy- George!!!
I had no idea Jerry Doyle had died until I just saw it here... :( Terrible news, RIP Jerry.
Mira Furlan, Jerry Doyle, Steven Biggs, Andreas Katsulas, Steven Furst
Rest easy, friends
Anyone else notice that the bad guy scientist type is wearing what approximates a Nazi SS symbol? Yeah, I thought you had. Sci-fi fans are smart people... :D
Teverell Weird that this is space opera tho
Aw, poor little bastard can dish it out but he can't take it.
dicktator/bully 1o1
The real Garibaldi must be grinning like a loon from the afterlife, watching this.
This was the best scene in all of Babylon 5.
+Bat5hade "And because I have poisoned your drink."
''The next time ... The next time you want a revelation ... could you possibly, find a way ... that isn't quite so uncomfortable''
- Marcus gets a belly laugh from Neroon, who just beat him half to death for the sake of honor - that's my vote for best scene.
"Vir, intelligence has nothing to do with politics."
Londo. "Blow up the island?" Pulls out a remote detonator and shows it to Mr. Morden. "Well. now that you mention it..."
The scene where Londo (as emperor) recalls the Humans during the Minbari war in In the Beginning always brought a little tear to my eye...
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'They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space, in my life I have never seen anything like it. They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones. And then throw themselves, without any fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself. Never surrendering.
No one who saw them fight against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage...their stubborn nobility.
When they ran out of ships they used guns, when the ran out of guns they used knives...and sticks...and bare hands. They were magnificent.
I only hope, that when it is my time I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes at the end, they did this for two years. They never ran out of courage, but in the end they ran out of time...'
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It makes me think of all those brave men and women who have died in war. Yes sometimes the wars are pointless, and sometimes the motives behind the war are less than honourable...But the soldiers are still heroes in my book, dying for their country, their families, the future.
Jerry, Richard, Mira. Rest Easy My friends......, Rest Easy.......
“Do not call up that which you cannot put down.” - H.P.Lovecraft
Two years out, we still miss ya, Chief. RIP.
Indeed
That guy missed a vital clue right near the beginning. He orders the system to shut down and reprogram Garibaldi... and yet nothing happens.
Our boy had *already* taken control of the system and Mr. Nazi here was too arrogant to even realize it.
I absolutely love the smile at the end.
Anyone who doesn't understand the Nazi links, needs to study history a LOT more.
It also has links to Nineteen Eighty-Four, with the whole "goodfacts"/"realfacts" thing.
Indeed.
What's funny is I've dug this scene for years and just first noticed the "extreme" SS logo on the Space Nazi's uniform. On the chin but still clever
Honestly, it's a bit more Cold War than WW2, given the ability to wipe out huge populations at once, and in both WW2 and the Cold War, both sides targeted civilian populations to demoralize the enemy. If you don't know that, you need to study history a LOT more. As for the deception, I suspect the city-states of Sumer were already doing something like that. So yeah, this certainly fits with the Nazis, but no more than with many other ruthless governments.
There is no such thing as "actual" truth or lies only point of view in your version of reality.
The irony is Jerry Doyle was a goddam fascist himself.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Ah, found the SJW! Jerry Doyle was an outspoken Libertarian. Literally the opposite of a Fascist. YOU, on the other hand, are a brainwashed little minion who does what they have been programmed to do: Call everyone right of Carl Marx a Fascist...
I've always wondered what both Garibaldi's and Delenn's good fact record would've been. Any ideas?
I love that amongst my youtube recommendations of anime/mma/current events videos... there's ol' Garibaldi busting balls lol
Not even Babylon 5, just Garibaldi.
My favourite episode ever! I often wonder if this story is a parallel of our own history. Look around the world and see the mysteries of lost civilisations and wonder are we rebuilding instead of building our society