"They said I was carrying around a lot of repressed anger." "And?" "I'm not repressed anymore." Don't care how many times I see it, I laugh endlessly at that.
@@logandarklighter I laughed so hard because it is just so of thing he, the actor, would say in real life. I met him at a convention panel many years ago. We had a colleague in common. But I knew something he didn't. Hilarity ensued.
3:24 - "Come on, give me a break." "Certainly, what would you like? A arm? A leg? We're fresh out of broken hearts. We just had a run on those. How about we start with your fingers and work our way up?"
Oh the layers here i never noticed the first time i watched it so many years ago. I always thought Lennier turning on Sheridan in S5 was out of character and disappointing but the groundwork is laid here. Lennier does not like humans. The way he looks and talks to Marcus here (despite probably respecting or liking Marcus) seems to confirm it. His idea also that his love for Delenn is "pure and noble", borders on obsessiveness and even delusion and Marcus sees it and tries to warn him. lennier is always so loyal and friendly and kind on the surface but like all characters on B5 he has another side and this scene shows it.
Indeed there's a whole Reddit thread called "Lennier the Bigot" that uses this very scene as one of its main examples to explain how Lennier's betrayal is not as unexpected as may seem. Further, Lennier himself observed in "Points of Departure," one full season earlier, that "Minbari souls are being reborn, in part or in full, in human bodies." So for him now to sneer that "we are NOT you" comes across as flat-out defiant, in my opinion.
Not sure what he expected though by letting Sheridan die. Obviously cameras are every where. If not that exact spot and it would be odd if not, than the adjoining rooms. Although I do not think humans in B5 are as hightech as those in Star Trek, surely they would have found out what had happened. Not like Delenn would be so quick to go to anyone to begin with, much less with someone who let her husband die. But in that moment perhaps he was not thinking. But yes, this is a good look at another side of of Lennier. Although he uses these words to Marcus, I am pretty sure he would have reacted the same way had any other race, including his own, had touched him in such a fashion under the circumstances. He is torn inside for what has happened to her too.
"I'm not repressed anymore." I swear to god this is one of my favorite lines in the entire series. I really loved Marcus. Sucks he wasn't in Season 5 but at least in the end he finally more or less got what he wanted.
Lenier knew Sheridan and Delenn meant to be and she couldn't feel for him.. Once Sheridan and Delenn looked at each other there was no turning back.. I love that in end Sheridan was the one who beat the crap of the guy that hurt Delenn he almost paralyzed him ..
This whole scene is one of my favorite with Marcus. His sense of humor is the sort that I thoroughly love. I can't explain why, but it sort of reminds me of the character of Murdock on the A-Team (the original TV series, not the movie) -- quick, eccentric, off beat, out of left field, erudite, unpredictable, unforgettable! (I adore both characters, which is odd since I'm usually not fond of the "crazy" types, but Murdock isn't really crazy. He's just good at pretending.)
Even though they're worlds apart in terms of character (Marcus's repressed anger and hopeless romanticism), I never thought of that but it somehow makes sense.
Agree! Also, his death was unnecessary as he could have had the medical staff assist him instead of knocking them unconscious. Why he thought they would not help save Ivanova by connecting themselves to the alien device in turns is beyond me. So, death for drama's sake.
I've just recently discovered this show, only watched clips so far. And yep! Marcus is already on his way to being one of my favorite characters! "Now I have to wait for somebody to wake up!" Gold! Also, Bill Mumy is awesome too. But then even back in "Lost in Space" he had great acting moments so it's no big surprise that he's gotten more improved into adulthood.
Its ABSOLUTELY AMAZING to see how well Jason Carter, a fellow work colleague (at a new supermarket where we worked P/T general assistants), has done for himself since 1978. My partner actually knew him, telling her he was playing a part in an adaption in George Eliots's novel Mill On The Floss and to watch for him on T.V when it came on. I knew of him as we both share the same surname. Its funny, we were only talking about Jason just a few weeks ago. Good old Gainsborough boy (Lincolnshire, U.K)
Doesn't really sound like it in this, though. Mind you, regional accents are generally discouraged on TV shows with every Englishman coming from Oxford, and every American from upstate New York UNLESS the plot demands it.
As much as this scene showed how much of a badass Marcus was by wiping the floor with everything there, it showed how much more of a badass Lennier was by the way he almost man-handled Marcus.
Another Minbari weakness, they so hard strife for perfection that have very, eery, very big problem with accepting existance of their darker side. They refuse to see it, to admit they may be wrong, until things blow up and the hell broke loose. At the end of the H-M War they were tired and sick of bloodshied, they wanted to stop, even warrior cast, but still they hide behind honour and duty. They needed reason to stop, as if the posiibility of genoside wasn't reason enough. It was not noble and pure perfect love, Lenier never truly accepted Delenn and Sherigan union, part of him was still wishing for her to leave her human 2nd part of the soul and when opportunity arrose, he /spoilers/ you know. We humans are made of contraditions, good and evil, order and chaos, love and hate, peace and passion, we know them, we recognize them, we accept them in general, it is from this diversity our strengh comes. We fall and we rise. Thats why I think that Minbari, with their all "honour and we do not lie" stuff, are not very honest.
+Ryszard Nanke the mimbari are our opposite number our older 'brother' if you will, they generally get along 'better and enjoy more harmonious lives than us but they still have our darksides. Their's articulates itself less often but far more dramatically. It's unfair to write them off as flawed because everyone in the show is flawed they have strengths we don't and they have failings we don't.
+Claire Morris Having darker side is one thing, we all do, probably every sencient being go it too. It is part of our evolutionary legacyl. Being honest to admit it is another, and this is where Mimbari got a very very very big problem. Lenier is of course not the one to blame, He is a product of Minbari society: nice, kind, living by code and reputation, curious about the universe (not exactly mimbari feature, since they tend to be isolationists), but also very represed. And this bounds can't hold them any longer, they tend to do something astronomicly stupid. They are like old tree, ancient, tall, proud, unbowed, but when it falls it is over.
I think they need their caste system. those who are more peaceful are drawn to the religious caste. Those more aggressive are drawn to the warrior caste. Those who are balanced go to the worker caste. In the end they gave five places on the grey council to the workers. Those who build the society are now leading it. I think lenier was in the wrong caste. He too had repressed aggressions. When he studied to be a ranger he took step in the right direction but he needed to have some therapy about his problems. He would have done better to never have left the temples and stayed on Mimbari. But going to B-5 awoke his repressed feelings. This show did well with the growth of the minor characters a well as the major ones. A true ensemble show.
Those are wise words by Marcus Cole. You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 piece of wood than with just a kind word. I am glad the kind stranger volunteered some useful information.
"In five minutes I will be the only one at this table still standing. Five minutes after that I will be the only one in this room still standing." When someone makes such a statement with the assurance and conviction that Marcus displayed, maybe, just MAYBE, you should pause and consider your position.
To be fair, these men were all career criminals, definitely no strangers to roughing the odd negligent client up on occasion. Marcus wasn't very imposing physically, no bulging muscles, not over seven feet tall and there were at least five of them. Even trained fighters don't usually throw themselves into situations like those. They probably just thought he was punch drunk.
Marcus was talking from experience. He loved Ivanova, but knew she was not interested. Although she were not "fated" as it were, to another. There was no boffing in the forseeable future.
Looking at this now, I think Lennier's man-handling of Marcus was way out of line. JMS claimed that Minbari are big on personal space and Marcus momentarily forgot himself, but I don't buy it. I think Lennier was stressed over Delenn, and he momentarily took that out on Marcus.
also goes to show you, the Difference in Strength Levels between a Human and Minbari, they may be quiet and serene people now, but they are way stronger then humans marcus is probably around 5'9 to 6'0 tall and Lennier manhandled him one handed off the ground in less then 2 seconds.
@@Methos2560 Puts the damage Marcus did to Neroon into perspective, doesn't it? Marcus may have lost that fight, but I don't think Neroon had taken that much of a beating in a very long time.
@@Dafmeister1978 This is part of the Revelations Naroon had, this human willing to die for a Minbari, to fight so passionately for, and who literally stood his ground with one of the best (and he was pretty much the defecto second in command of The Warrior class) and got a degree of a assbeating by a human, and at this time in Babylon5 lore not many of The Anla'shok had a Denn'bak, so Naroon had to have automatically know Marcus was diffrent by the cheer fact he posed one.
@@Methos2560 In all honesty, i think Naroon held back, especially at the beginning of the fight. I think he wanted to test Marcus determination, if he was ready to follow action with words and not kill him. I doubt that a serious battle would have lasted more than 3 seconds. The strenght difference is so great, that Marcus couldnt block a blow of Naroon without breaking something, probably his wrists. The one strike of Marcus that actually did damage was a surprise attack that Naroon didnt see coming.
I like how they didn't even show the fight, they just implied that much violence ensued. I bet Babylon 5 Security arrived, saw the pissed off Ranger laying waste to everyone and promptly went "Nope!"
Some of the best SF takes place in bars. That's where the characters develop and you get most of the laughs. My two favs are Callahan's Crosstime Saloon and Tales of The Screaming Eagle. Great books.
I've been there, Hon. Though in my case, by the time I discovered the actor in question and fell in love...he died about 8 years before I was born. Sonofa...
@@CaptEoNinja83 no he didn't. I just looked him up. Unless you were referring to the character and not the actor. In which case I feel incredibly silly.
"Do not touch me in that fashion. We may sometimes look like you, but we are not you. Never forget that." Is it just me or does that sound a bit prejudiced?
of course! I love it! This scene demonstates that Lennier is not perfect, that he's a normal, flawed being like everyone else and that he has some prejudice toward certain non-minbari people. MEN ESPECIALLY. and all of that comes flying out to the surface when the love of his life is threatened. It's so damn cute.
Lennier is of the Religious Caste. The source of many prejudices of his people. Also, despite looking fairy-ish the Minbari are super-strong. The quiet and calm Lennier is even more underestimated by others
Despite all this love and repressed frustration over Delenn Lennier did not save her from the starfire wheel. Instead, Neroon had to jump in and sacrifice himself. I never understood that. He almost had no visible emotional reaction then while literally watching her die slowly but here he freaks out over not knowing if she is ok or not.
Maybe his admission a bit, but it was plain to see even in earlier episodes that Lennier feels deeply for Delenn. So the fact that he loves her came as no surprise for me at all.
@@Bek359 That's Lennier's problem. He tells himself that his love for Delenn is pure and noble and he only wants to serve her, but he's not being honest with himself. After he betrayed Sheridan in Season 5 and fled into exile, they found journal entries showing that he resented Sheridan and was offended that Delenn married a human.
@@rowanaforrest9792 I always like to imagine that afterward, when they break into his quarters at the Anlya-Shok training centre they discover Lennier had turned the rooms into some kind of sick shrine to Delenn: the walls covered floor to ceiling with photos of her, an altar with candles set up with a special framed portrait of her at its centre, candles lining the floors and crowded on every table and shelf, pictures of Sheridan with devil horns, black eyes and drooling fang-filled teeth drawn on them... "That boy ain't right in the head," says one investigating Ranger to the other.
It's a nice scene, but it kind of doesn't make sense. Marcus was trained on Minbar, he lived and trained with the Minbari. If anything, he's more used to fighting Minbari than humans, he knows just how strong Minbari are and how to fight them, he shouldn't be surprised by Lennier. If anything, Lennier should be concerned because this guy was trained to fight hand to hand combat with Minbari and knows their weak points and how to win
@FaxModem1 well the membare don't strike me as being as touchy feely as humans are in this show. not to metion being at war with another race can do that. it can take generations at times for that kind of prejudice to go away if it even does
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"You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than you can with just a kind word."
Or in this case, a collapsing steel? staff.
That is my new mantra...
"Oh, bugger. Now I have to wait for someone to wake up."
Love Marcus. Top Man!
Babylon 5 Rules!
Agreed! Babylon 5 was packed to the gills with amazing one liners and speeches, and Marcus had great lines to spare
"I'm not repressed anymore...."
Great line from a show with thousands of them!!
And so it begins..
It's the shrug that sells it.
"Bugger! Now I have to wait for somebody to wake up."
I laughed SO hard at that line. :D
"They said I was carrying around a lot of repressed anger."
"And?"
"I'm not repressed anymore."
Don't care how many times I see it, I laugh endlessly at that.
@@logandarklighter I laughed so hard because it is just so of thing he, the actor, would say in real life.
I met him at a convention panel many years ago. We had a colleague in common. But I knew something he didn't. Hilarity ensued.
@@KristineMaitland That is marvelously cryptic of you. Don't feel pressured to tell what it was though. I have a vivid imagination. :D
That, and the bit about the unfairness of the universe are my favorite lines from Marcus.
3:24 - "Come on, give me a break." "Certainly, what would you like? A arm? A leg? We're fresh out of broken hearts. We just had a run on those. How about we start with your fingers and work our way up?"
Oh the layers here i never noticed the first time i watched it so many years ago. I always thought Lennier turning on Sheridan in S5 was out of character and disappointing but the groundwork is laid here. Lennier does not like humans. The way he looks and talks to Marcus here (despite probably respecting or liking Marcus) seems to confirm it. His idea also that his love for Delenn is "pure and noble", borders on obsessiveness and even delusion and Marcus sees it and tries to warn him. lennier is always so loyal and friendly and kind on the surface but like all characters on B5 he has another side and this scene shows it.
Indeed there's a whole Reddit thread called "Lennier the Bigot" that uses this very scene as one of its main examples to explain how Lennier's betrayal is not as unexpected as may seem.
Further, Lennier himself observed in "Points of Departure," one full season earlier, that "Minbari souls are being reborn, in part or in full, in human bodies." So for him now to sneer that "we are NOT you" comes across as flat-out defiant, in my opinion.
Like G'Kar said, no one on Babylon 5 was what they seemed.
@@josephsoltero7326 season 5 doesn't count
@@josephsoltero7326 The Reddit was worth checking out. Thanks for the hint!
Not sure what he expected though by letting Sheridan die. Obviously cameras are every where. If not that exact spot and it would be odd if not, than the adjoining rooms. Although I do not think humans in B5 are as hightech as those in Star Trek, surely they would have found out what had happened.
Not like Delenn would be so quick to go to anyone to begin with, much less with someone who let her husband die. But in that moment perhaps he was not thinking.
But yes, this is a good look at another side of of Lennier. Although he uses these words to Marcus, I am pretty sure he would have reacted the same way had any other race, including his own, had touched him in such a fashion under the circumstances. He is torn inside for what has happened to her too.
Love how Marcus says “excuse me” before he goes to make sure the thug regrets that he’s the first guy who woke up
Well, there'd just been a run on broken hearts, so he needed to focus on the business at hand.
"I'm not repressed anymore." I swear to god this is one of my favorite lines in the entire series. I really loved Marcus. Sucks he wasn't in Season 5 but at least in the end he finally more or less got what he wanted.
Oh, I had forgotten just how ABSOLUTELY PERFECT the dialogue was on this show. 'fresh out of broken hearts, just had a run on those.'
"Bugger, now I have to wait for someone to wake up."
I love that bit.
Its between Marcus and Garibaldi as to who has some of the best lines
They said I had a lot of issues with Repressed anger.
......well?
I'm not repressed anymore.
Makes me chuckle EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
I REALLY liked Marcus. I was so sorry they killed him off. But - as always with Marcus - his last act was an incredibly noble one.
If they knew Invanavai's actor was not returning they would have let him live.
JMS have written a short story where Marcus and Ivanova get a happy ending. Can't remember the name of it though.
When they did it, they thought it was the end of the series.
@@RandallHallKaizenReiki Good point. Still...sorry they killed him off.
@@McRocket Me, too. He was a great character and added a great dynamic to the show.
A vastly underrated show. Much of the writing was superior to others that lasted longer.
It had a set timeline from the start.
@@sasquatchycowboy5585 Oh, that I already knew, but still wished it would have lasted longer.
@@patrickmcpherson97 I just wish that the faith season would have been approved, and the order could have been the original pland order
LMAO "It's like I've always said, you can accomplish more with a kind word and a 2x4 than with just a kind word." :)
It sound sounds like Marcus has a lot in common with a Certain U.S President who said something similar.
"Speak softly, and carry a big stick!" - Theodore Roosevelt [Fun Fact: T.R. usually shouted, and almost always carried a gun.] :)
Ah, the Capone corollary.
Live by these words, gents!😆
Does anyone else wonder where a space faring Ranger hundreds of years in the future ever encountered building lumber in imperial measurements?
Lenier knew Sheridan and Delenn meant to be and she couldn't feel for him.. Once Sheridan and Delenn looked at each other there was no turning back.. I love that in end Sheridan was the one who beat the crap of the guy that hurt Delenn he almost paralyzed him ..
"You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than you can with just a kind word." Words to live by.
This whole scene is one of my favorite with Marcus. His sense of humor is the sort that I thoroughly love. I can't explain why, but it sort of reminds me of the character of Murdock on the A-Team (the original TV series, not the movie) -- quick, eccentric, off beat, out of left field, erudite, unpredictable, unforgettable! (I adore both characters, which is odd since I'm usually not fond of the "crazy" types, but Murdock isn't really crazy. He's just good at pretending.)
Even though they're worlds apart in terms of character (Marcus's repressed anger and hopeless romanticism), I never thought of that but it somehow makes sense.
I was seriously bummed out when his character died. He was my Favorite behind Vir Cotto.
Agree! Also, his death was unnecessary as he could have had the medical staff assist him instead of knocking them unconscious. Why he thought they would not help save Ivanova by connecting themselves to the alien device in turns is beyond me. So, death for drama's sake.
I've been watching so many of these clips, I should just watch the show....
It is a good show, it really picks up in season 2
Iike all shows it has its ups and downs. There are hundreds of good clips.
People overlook Mumy as an actor. "That's a dangerous promise..." was so prophetic re the character arc yet to follow.
I've just recently discovered this show, only watched clips so far. And yep! Marcus is already on his way to being one of my favorite characters! "Now I have to wait for somebody to wake up!" Gold!
Also, Bill Mumy is awesome too. But then even back in "Lost in Space" he had great acting moments so it's no big surprise that he's gotten more improved into adulthood.
You don't really get the full impact from clips
We can never find Delenn again... and I'd beat up the whole room twice if it brought her back... Sleep well Mira
Poor Lennier. Not realising that such a feeling would damn him later.
Marcus had some of the best lines in the show!
Its ABSOLUTELY AMAZING to see how well Jason Carter, a fellow work colleague (at a new supermarket where we worked P/T general assistants), has done for himself since 1978. My partner actually knew him, telling her he was playing a part in an adaption in George Eliots's novel Mill On The Floss and to watch for him on T.V when it came on. I knew of him as we both share the same surname. Its funny, we were only talking about Jason just a few weeks ago. Good old Gainsborough boy (Lincolnshire, U.K)
Doesn't really sound like it in this, though. Mind you, regional accents are generally discouraged on TV shows with every Englishman coming from Oxford, and every American from upstate New York UNLESS the plot demands it.
As much as this scene showed how much of a badass Marcus was by wiping the floor with everything there, it showed how much more of a badass Lennier was by the way he almost man-handled Marcus.
Another Minbari weakness, they so hard strife for perfection that have very, eery, very big problem with accepting existance of their darker side. They refuse to see it, to admit they may be wrong, until things blow up and the hell broke loose.
At the end of the H-M War they were tired and sick of bloodshied, they wanted to stop, even warrior cast, but still they hide behind honour and duty. They needed reason to stop, as if the posiibility of genoside wasn't reason enough.
It was not noble and pure perfect love, Lenier never truly accepted Delenn and Sherigan union, part of him was still wishing for her to leave her human 2nd part of the soul and when opportunity arrose, he /spoilers/ you know.
We humans are made of contraditions, good and evil, order and chaos, love and hate, peace and passion, we know them, we recognize them, we accept them in general, it is from this diversity our strengh comes. We fall and we rise. Thats why I think that Minbari, with their all "honour and we do not lie" stuff, are not very honest.
+Ryszard Nanke the mimbari are our opposite number our older 'brother' if you will, they generally get along 'better and enjoy more harmonious lives than us but they still have our darksides. Their's articulates itself less often but far more dramatically. It's unfair to write them off as flawed because everyone in the show is flawed they have strengths we don't and they have failings we don't.
+Claire Morris
Having darker side is one thing, we all do, probably every sencient being go it too. It is part of our evolutionary legacyl. Being honest to admit it is another, and this is where Mimbari got a very very very big problem. Lenier is of course not the one to blame, He is a product of Minbari society: nice, kind, living by code and reputation, curious about the universe (not exactly mimbari feature, since they tend to be isolationists), but also very represed. And this bounds can't hold them any longer, they tend to do something astronomicly stupid.
They are like old tree, ancient, tall, proud, unbowed, but when it falls it is over.
I think they need their caste system. those who are more peaceful are drawn to the religious caste. Those more aggressive are drawn to the warrior caste. Those who are balanced go to the worker caste. In the end they gave five places on the grey council to the workers. Those who build the society are now leading it. I think lenier was in the wrong caste. He too had repressed aggressions. When he studied to be a ranger he took step in the right direction but he needed to have some therapy about his problems. He would have done better to never have left the temples and stayed on Mimbari. But going to B-5 awoke his repressed feelings. This show did well with the growth of the minor characters a well as the major ones. A true ensemble show.
Rule #1 The Minbari lie
I want a Lennier or a Marcus of my own! I adore them both!
Men aren't property to be owned, you know.
The sad tragedy of these two. Noble, honest, loyal individuals whose love was not returned :(
Those are wise words by Marcus Cole. You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 piece of wood than with just a kind word. I am glad the kind stranger volunteered some useful information.
"In five minutes I will be the only one at this table still standing. Five minutes after that I will be the only one in this room still standing." When someone makes such a statement with the assurance and conviction that Marcus displayed, maybe, just MAYBE, you should pause and consider your position.
To be fair, these men were all career criminals, definitely no strangers to roughing the odd negligent client up on occasion. Marcus wasn't very imposing physically, no bulging muscles, not over seven feet tall and there were at least five of them. Even trained fighters don't usually throw themselves into situations like those. They probably just thought he was punch drunk.
Marcus was talking from experience. He loved Ivanova, but knew she was not interested. Although she were not "fated" as it were, to another. There was no boffing in the forseeable future.
Looking at this now, I think Lennier's man-handling of Marcus was way out of line. JMS claimed that Minbari are big on personal space and Marcus momentarily forgot himself, but I don't buy it. I think Lennier was stressed over Delenn, and he momentarily took that out on Marcus.
Considering their mutual stress levels went to 11, maybe. Everyone has a Berserk Button.
also goes to show you, the Difference in Strength Levels between a Human and Minbari, they may be quiet and serene people now, but they are way stronger then humans marcus is probably around 5'9 to 6'0 tall and Lennier manhandled him one handed off the ground in less then 2 seconds.
@@Methos2560 Puts the damage Marcus did to Neroon into perspective, doesn't it? Marcus may have lost that fight, but I don't think Neroon had taken that much of a beating in a very long time.
@@Dafmeister1978 This is part of the Revelations Naroon had, this human willing to die for a Minbari, to fight so passionately for, and who literally stood his ground with one of the best (and he was pretty much the defecto second in command of The Warrior class) and got a degree of a assbeating by a human, and at this time in Babylon5 lore not many of The Anla'shok had a Denn'bak, so Naroon had to have automatically know Marcus was diffrent by the cheer fact he posed one.
@@Methos2560 In all honesty, i think Naroon held back, especially at the beginning of the fight. I think he wanted to test Marcus determination, if he was ready to follow action with words and not kill him. I doubt that a serious battle would have lasted more than 3 seconds. The strenght difference is so great, that Marcus couldnt block a blow of Naroon without breaking something, probably his wrists. The one strike of Marcus that actually did damage was a surprise attack that Naroon didnt see coming.
Marcus is Batman. A polite, oh so *British* Batman. But just as bad-ass. 😎
Does that make Garibaldi Deadpool or Wolverine?
No no no...not Batman. He's the only person who could really take Bats down...Alfred.
He's also the Vorlon god, Booji.
1 highly trained human = badass. 1 minbari civilian = more badass. Beware the nice ones
Who ever suggested Lennier was a civilian? Attache to an ambassador, he almost has to have had extra bodyguard training
AWESOME, thank you. certainly exceeds what i thought id remembered.
1:12 Yeah, that's happened once or twice in our Pathfinder campaign....
I love Marcus.
He was always my favourite character
I like how they didn't even show the fight, they just implied that much violence ensued. I bet Babylon 5 Security arrived, saw the pissed off Ranger laying waste to everyone and promptly went "Nope!"
Zach wanted NO part of that!
@@donaldpaluga - Yeah, Zach probably looked at who Marcus was pounding and thought, “Let’s just pass by quietly...”
Some of the best SF takes place in bars. That's where the characters develop and you get most of the laughs. My two favs are Callahan's Crosstime Saloon and Tales of The Screaming Eagle. Great books.
Two characters who gave their all for people they admired but who hardly noticed their existence.
Awesome clip, thank you
I
Loved Marcus I have named my son after him cuz he really is very deep and honourable
its like I always said. you can get more with a kind word and a 2 by 4 than with just a kind word.
"I know that she's fated for another."
I KNEW IT! LENNIER SHIPS IT TOO
Marcus and Ivanova are my two favorite characters on Babylon 5. It's a shame they couldn't get together. You know, physically. 😉
Even in the far flung future, in Minbari space, there are the simps.
Sigh . . I was going to marry Marcus, of course I was 13 years old, but love knows no age differences. :)
Reference Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis for this.
I've been there, Hon. Though in my case, by the time I discovered the actor in question and fell in love...he died about 8 years before I was born.
Sonofa...
@@CaptEoNinja83 the actor died?!? I had no idea!
@@CaptEoNinja83 no he didn't. I just looked him up. Unless you were referring to the character and not the actor. In which case I feel incredibly silly.
I hate to break it to you, but that wasn't love.
Love talking to Jason on FB. Very approachable!
Oh, considering how things turned out, think it was far more than just some Platonic love.
"Do not touch me in that fashion. We may sometimes look like you, but we are not you. Never forget that."
Is it just me or does that sound a bit prejudiced?
No.
Just stating a distinct fact.
@@TymersRealm I just realised Lennir lifted Marcus off the ground.
of course! I love it! This scene demonstates that Lennier is not perfect, that he's a normal, flawed being like everyone else and that he has some prejudice toward certain non-minbari people. MEN ESPECIALLY. and all of that comes flying out to the surface when the love of his life is threatened. It's so damn cute.
@@stuartmcclurey9926 with one arm, fully extended
Lennier is of the Religious Caste. The source of many prejudices of his people.
Also, despite looking fairy-ish the Minbari are super-strong. The quiet and calm Lennier is even more underestimated by others
He's B5's version of Chuck Norris, he will kick your ass and make you say thank you for the beating! lol Love Marcus!
“You can get more with a kind work and a 2x4 than you can with a kind word.”
If Marcus is such a badass and he subside towards Lennier one has to wonder
what kind of person Lennier is?
Marcus is the best
Billy Mumy HATED that makeup, but he endured for his family.
No wonder why in every interview I’ve seen he mentions that the agent he had at the time wasn’t very good 🤣
Lennier: "My feelings are special!" Like every friendzone virgin ever
gaaaaaaaaawd I love Bill Mumy, Lennier was such a great character.
In my heart I ship Delenn and Lennier, always have
"Two Simps" coming this fall to Babcom!
1:13 :D thats why we love Marcus
Definitely in top five.
"you can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 then just with a kind word". lmao
Despite all this love and repressed frustration over Delenn Lennier did not save her from the starfire wheel. Instead, Neroon had to jump in and sacrifice himself. I never understood that. He almost had no visible emotional reaction then while literally watching her die slowly but here he freaks out over not knowing if she is ok or not.
"....a kind word and a two-by-four..."
I'll have to remember that.. 😁
That look at :53
You know this is going badly for a roomful of people, many of whom were probably just having a drink and knew nothing anyhow.
You see, Lennier's love is very different from that of a square.
That long hair really dates the show.
We may sometimes look like you, but we are NOT you!
I wanted to see that fight.
Lennier loves (in his way) Delenn. I'm sure his admission caught everyone off-guard. Right?
Maybe his admission a bit, but it was plain to see even in earlier episodes that Lennier feels deeply for Delenn. So the fact that he loves her came as no surprise for me at all.
I would love to meet the one person who said that this concept of good and evil was wrong... "The concepts of right and wrong"
Protect what is good through an evil action?
@Kainlarsen Yes. Poor, dear Lennier. Don't you just want to hug him?
Yeah right Lennier, you "love" her.
Look up "Courtly love"...that's what he's referring to.
@@samsignorelli That's what he *believes* it to be, anyway. Certain scenes in Season 5 lend themselves to a rather... different interpretation.
@@Bek359 That's Lennier's problem. He tells himself that his love for Delenn is pure and noble and he only wants to serve her, but he's not being honest with himself. After he betrayed Sheridan in Season 5 and fled into exile, they found journal entries showing that he resented Sheridan and was offended that Delenn married a human.
@@rowanaforrest9792 I always like to imagine that afterward, when they break into his quarters at the Anlya-Shok training centre they discover Lennier had turned the rooms into some kind of sick shrine to Delenn: the walls covered floor to ceiling with photos of her, an altar with candles set up with a special framed portrait of her at its centre, candles lining the floors and crowded on every table and shelf, pictures of Sheridan with devil horns, black eyes and drooling fang-filled teeth drawn on them... "That boy ain't right in the head," says one investigating Ranger to the other.
This is Lenniers biggest flaw.
God do I ever wanna pull this off in my bar...
It's a nice scene, but it kind of doesn't make sense. Marcus was trained on Minbar, he lived and trained with the Minbari. If anything, he's more used to fighting Minbari than humans, he knows just how strong Minbari are and how to fight them, he shouldn't be surprised by Lennier. If anything, Lennier should be concerned because this guy was trained to fight hand to hand combat with Minbari and knows their weak points and how to win
When you make my sister mad is pretty much Marcus
Season 5 Episode 5 Learning Curve
I'm not repressed any more. Loved Marcus' character, hated that they killed him off.
"the greatist teacher faiiler is" Master Yoda if only Marcus knew that
The Last Jedi
0:55 should have inserted a Spongebob "10 minutes later ..."
have to agree although i am surprised at some of the lines he got a away with
Any 30 year old virgin would have repressed anger
Kid grew up.
Marcus and Stephen were a great chaotic duo. Am I wrong?
A love that can only be truly expressed by addressing her as m'lady while tipping a fedora
I'm curious-since you never see it proper-did Marcus never even use his staff for this?
Space simp!
His trainers said he had issues with suppressed anger. Well, it wasn't suppressed any more.
I thought it was just honest.
a word and 2x4 quot Jim Duggan lol and one of biker that live to save kids Khmer Massacre! battle of worf 359
@FaxModem1 well the membare don't strike me as being as touchy feely as humans are in this show. not to metion being at war with another race can do that. it can take generations at times for that kind of prejudice to go away if it even does
Where's Delenn? She's beyond the rim.
You need to be much heavier than the person you lift at that angle or you topple forward, however impressive your strength is.
No. Because I said so.
But it was romantic love.....
I didn't really care for this character. It felt forced to me.