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Babylon 5 - Good facts and real facts
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2017
- A clip from Babylon 5 episode s04e22 "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars"
"Not propaganda. Goodfacts. As opposed to realfacts. Facts the government has endorsed."
Goodfacts to Make Earth Greate Again.... MEGE!!!!!
Good old Babylon 5, oh boy am I glad to see a fresh comment. I miss the show, tears start running when I think about the show and all of the actors/staff who died and went beyond the Rim ... Sinclair, Garibaldi, Franklin, Zak ... and the list will just go on ....
Hope you had an amazing New Year, friend!
In Valens name!
Damn I was going to say that!
That's not exactly true. You have to consider that some of these folks are young so they may only be referencing the events of their time without realizing there is a broader history at play.
Wouldn't that be "MEGA!!!!!"
@Jeremiah Boyd No, this portrayal would be Fox News. Hence the Trumpian phrase of "alternative facts." Just because you are brainwashed does change the analogy.
Anyone else notice from the moment he appeared Garibaldi was looking around with a "What the hell is this?" look on his face? The problem with recreating a man like Garibaldi is that you GET a man like Garibaldi!
It's a nice sign of what was to come in that one.
They made him too perfect...and it literally blew up in their faces!
ironic considering the actor playing Garibaldi wouldve been in favor of making earth great again
considering the route he took after the show
@@BangerangEliko Because democrats are the real warmongering fascists
Can I call you Danny?"
"We need breathing room."
"Earth, Hitler, 1938."
"I beg your pardon."
"Well, I see we have a long way to go."
- Star Trek 6
And now Christopher Plummer is gone. Jesus everyone's getting hit in the feels.
My favorite Trek movie! (even more than Khan, as blasphemous as it may sound, lol)
You may notice the SS on his shirt.
The US Government vs the Plans Indians in Westward Expansion
Russia 2022
Babylon 5 was not "prophetic" - it was just a study of history. The concept of governments "altering" the truth to reflect policy or agenda is neither new nor extreme. Every corrupt government has done it, as far back as the Roman Empire, and probably before them even. If anything, Babylon 5 is a great example of why it's important to teach children history.... because history always repeats itself.
history does in certain ways repeat itself but babylon 5 hit the nail firmly on the head in our lifetime things have changed, certain things are going on that mirror perfectly what happened on the show
@@johnbanks4761 liberals want to destroy history, witness the changing of words like racism, pedophile. the destruction of statues, murals etc.
Right, it was no more prophetic than when The Doctor, in the 70's, said, "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
If it always repeats it self why teach it at all?
Ancient Egyptians are well known for it.
1:38
"You, the real you are deceased."
Oh God😥! This really tears me up now that Mira Furlan has passed away recently.
The only one of the 4 left at that table is Sheridan/Bruce Boxleitner.
Reminds me of the silliness that are "alternative facts." Very Orwellian
it wasn't silly, they punctured the "good facts" of the post war consensus.
I mean really, the presumptions are preposterous, diversity is inequality by definition is just the start of it.
If you think that’s Orwellian, wait until you hit 2021.
@@gohantanaka What are you playing at? I someone get the impression you're trying to project.
@@turkeyspoony also, his "room to expand" is a parallel to Hitlers idea about living space, which basically meant getting rid of non "Aryans" out of eastern Europe, particularly Slavic peoples, so these guys were, in addition to being Orwellian Truthers, were Nazi-ish.
@@turkeyspoony Fuck off. We don't want you Nazi apologists.
So babylon5 was the first to call out fake news.
'Way, 'way earlier than that. George Orwell's "newspeak" was almost fifty years before this, and he's only the most famous example.
ISN was directly based on Fox News, after all.
JMS once described the late unlamented Rush Limbaugh as "America's leading proctologist". JMS was ahead of the game!
"Reverse correct info speak"
Ya gotta love it.....
What it always comes down to is power. And the struggle for power.
I used to think things like that "SS" logo were too heavy handed in associating characters like this with fascism and the Nazis. Now I realize it's not only realistic, but too subtle. These guys would be hanging up Swastikas.
Fascists aren't exactly original in their trappings.
Oh WOW!!!! Babylon 5 was ahead of the curve on Alternative Facts.
You project so nicely! Papa Alinsky would be proud!
It's not like they just invented that stuff. Doublespeak and the Official Line have been with us for a very, very long time.
When the truth comes out that the 2016 election was stolen, and they find a way to solve this mess, make Straczynski head of a council to help the United States, and in fact, the whole world, heal from the whole trauma.
P. S. Orwell was the first to predict what you call (shudder) alternative facts.
Absolutely - the world is behind this suggestion, Tripp1993
@@Tripp1993 The 2016 election was not stolen. You've been brainwashed by the propagandists in the main stream media to think it was. Donald Trump is not the enemy. He won the election fair and square by the rules set down in the U.S. Constitution. The propagandists in the media have been working overtime since the election to delegitimize his win, and it's been causing serious problems in our country. Stop listening to their common refrain and start listening to another side like #walkaway or the Amazing Lucas here on RUclips.
Wait? What? Did the writers travel back in time? They nailed this.
pspicer777 No, they just remembered WWII or Orwell’s novels. The specific wording changes, but corrupt governments have always been fond of euphemisms for their propaganda-the word “propaganda” itself is a euphemism, literally meaning “[information] which ought to be propagated”
@@IONATVS Don't forget McCarthy, HUAC, and the Red scare of the 1950's.
The original Alternative Facts...
You are living in 2017 with that jargon
@@greggoat6570
Because there are people who still unironically believe in those "alternative facts" despite being refuted time and time again, simply because to admit otherwise would be to admit that the man they hyped up as their savior was nothing more than a con artist.
Sounds like the Bureaucrats and Politicians we see on TV and read about, scary how this has become
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"We have lost our uniqueness - we have been polluted by too many ideas. " ... An interesting way of describing both a lack of adaptation, and the fantasy of not changing (to an external culture or p/o/v.".
Also disturbingly familiar . . . .
I do love what happens next, though. The functionary had it coming.
Never make your holograms sapient. Bad idea.
they nailed this on the fuckin head
And the hits keep coming - yesterday Websters online dictionary updated the definition of “preference” in reaction to new political talking points.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Paper has a significant advantage here - they can’t just modify it on a whim. Glad I have B5 on physical media.
Great to see other people came searching for this classic recently after seeing the state of current week.
@@1982Obsidian I didn't search for it, surprisingly it was in my RUclips recommendations. I watched it earlier and then days later the Websters thing happened and it was unbelievably on the nose.
We have a large swath of people who think 1984 was an instruction manual instead of a cautionary tale - that's what's really scary.
did anyone notice the SS on his uniform? sounds like he was saying the same thing a 5'7 German said back in the 30's
And "Earth needs room to expand" sounds suspiciously like "Lebensraum".
also the symbol was used in another show called time trax
by another race purist
And like the americans "manifest destiny". Like the european "right of discovery" same bullshit.
sounds like he is an anchor of OAN or FOX....
xoiskin1969x Those anchors are relatively consistent. It’s the anchors of any leftist station that twist facts to their narrative. From 8 months of “peaceful protests” and cops being bad as the left burned cities and slaughtered dozens, to suddenly being the champion of law and order the one day it got them power. From decrying corporations’ involvement in politics, to cheering because you think the corporations are on your side. Your side literally tried to rewrite math because it was too “white”. You are nothing but racist bigots without principle or truth.
Just broadcasted the whole damn thing!
Don the Con approves this video title 😂
Still an amazing piece of character storytelling. Even though they are holograms, Sheridan and company immediately saw thorugh the BS that the New Earth Government was trying to put out.
Good facts = alternative facts
Funny how prophetic it actually was
You project so nicely! Papa Alinsky would be proud!
And its atemporal.. when the episodes where the night watch began to arrest people for criticing the goverment and that "peace officer" woman had that conversation with Sheridan about Earth not having any trouble "only isolated incidents, and some antipatriotic and traitor folks" someone asked him if he based that on Nazi germany and he said you didnt need to go any far to see that
@@Eldritchfan The point JMS was making with this episode flew over your head
@@CRocketSlim I got the point, but you lefties don't get the application. But then, JMS has become a bit of a libshit in the years since.
@@Eldritchfan ^ The endless paranoia of the right-wing brain.
Yo, this some real 1984 stuff going on right here
Well, the lightning marks on the lab coat were giveaway...
Good facts will make the Erath great again!
what's Erath?
@@LordTalax He voted for Biden, don’t expect high IQ
@@Phillip_Fry IQ.*, Einstein.
Conservative "alternative facts."
What season is this from? Or is this part of that 1 000 000 year review?
Its from deconstruction of falling stars the last episode of season 4 the 1000000 year review yes,
i never noticed the "SS" Badge on his chest before..
This sequence always made me feel queasy...
And with the idea of 'alternative facts' actually taking hold in the mainstream consciousness...
I'm vomitting hourly.
Kind of scary how that man-child and his administration say so much shit that people basically shrug and go "whatever". The outrageous and shocking is the new norm.
I know how you feel. @finalFirebrand
@@Ragitsu Probably because Trump doesn't actually say half the crap you *think* he does. Totally a man-baby, but not so much on the genocidal dictator front. All that dude's going to do is use the presidency to make boatloads of money then sod off with his pension.
The real crazy stuff is how the media can just make stuff up and people buy it without question because it's backing their side. This applies to democrats and republicans.
Thinking about it, this isn't an Orwellian nightmare, but rather another fairly prophetic but far less known source.
With Obama & Trump, we've been given a lot of baseless doomsaying which not only serve as distractions from the bad stuff they're actually doing, but make people more jaded about accusations against the leaders. By the time we get a real dictator, the people will be far too jaded to take it seriously.
@@InfernosReaper He's not a genocidal dictator but its a statistical fact that more of Trumps statements are wrong compared to his peers when you check factchecking sites. So they are either outright lies or things he was mistaken upon. And everybody just believes his falsehoods.
@@fieldy409 The ratio is actually about the same. The real difference is that Trump never shuts the hell up.
Does anyone see the SS on his shirt? This is the first time I've noticed it.
That ended way too soon :(
Are, yes, the good space Nazi.
And this apparently happens in 2020...
more appropriately in 2021, as one side actually does the things it accuses the other side of wanting.
So the year is now 2762
Notice the SS patch on his coat?
Smalls like the shit going on today.
Attempting to delegitimise a political entity by "deconstructing" historical figures associated with it? JMS really did predict modern progressivism, didn't he?
1:56 did he look at the screen?
Of course he does. He is basically doing a documentary. Or maybe a sales pitch, to get serious resources?
In any case, he is persistently adressing the Audience since his first words.
@@christopherg2347 Yes. I think it was supposed to be a demonstration for the powers that be of how the technology could be used to create their propaganda. Kind of scary when you think of the fears of deepfakes right now.
Dear God, it's a 1984 arc, and yes I'm well aware of the nonsense currently going on in the media.
More of a scene. This particular episode was a series of loosely connected vignettes. But yep, definitely based on 1984.-
And what nonsense is that ? I seem to remember a caravan of people heading for the border to overrun it !! Then nothing , I seem to remember , having evidence that a former president spied on somebody , where was that evidence ? I seem to remember having proof of something on a drive , what happened to that ? You used the media to spread your fear , yet when push to show your evidence you have none , then you say its fake news !!!
Today, it is alternative facts vs Good facts....
in the first few episodes they sure did give out oxys a lot for pain lol lol
I think this one is from the end of season 4
Earth does Brexit....
....ISAxit?
So cute how you project! If only the damn backwards US were like Britain, where anyone who voices an unapproved opinion will be met with the full power of the state! It's all those damn guns the people have that keep us from knowing our place! A civilized society is a compliant and disarmed society that believes and obeys the government!
It is funny - rather than cute - how all those guns owned by the civilian population of the United States of America haven't done much to push back against the horrible policies of their own government. The gun nuts talk a big game, but that's all it is...talk.
I don't remember the European Union ever saving the universe from being conquered by an alien species nor putting the good of *every* member first.
Everton Porter
EX IT
WTF is "reverse correct infospeak"?
propaganda
Politically correct ideologies
Reverse correct=opposite of correct=untrue
Infospeak=propaganda
In short, a euphemism for lies.
Please read 1984.
You will understand a lot more about things if you do.
This episode is a mix of Nazism and 1984 reimagined in the B5 setting.
Le heckin nazis let's get em reddit!!! I like B5 though.
Everyone thinks their side (political, religious, ideological) contains most of the facts, while the other side(s) cling to superstition, falsehoods, and dogma.
Sorry, but if the others sides arguments are "they are counting votes of dead pets", I seriously doubt the other side has any facts.
Christopher G What a lovely straw man. How about “why did you tell a lie to send poll watchers home”? “Why did four swing states all supposedly stop counting at the same time and all come back with vote dumps 99%+ for Biden”? Why did counties in Georgia suddenly become bluer than LA?
And, of course, “if you have nothing to hide, why are you refusing to allow any investigations or audits?”
@@Skyblade12 There have been *all* the audits. This whole argument was pure trumpshit.
@@Skyblade12 All of those talking points are bullshit. The courts already ruled against your Orange God.
When one side denies verifiable facts and evidence, substituting positions supported only by emotion and wishful thinking, that side loses all credibility.
In order to make this work, you have to convince people about the goodfacts being realfacts, and make up badfacts while presenting them as goodfacts from the enemy. Then you have your goodfact seen as realfact, and you also have goodfacts from the enemy as contrast seen as not being real. In worst case your government present the realfacts coming from the enemy as just being goodfacts in order to dismiss them for political reasons.
I mean, politically, a presented realfact is nothing else than a preferred goodfact in most cases.
I.e. new speak
Anyone notice how mich this is like CNN?
ISN was directly inspired by Fox News, which has only become more extreme since this episode aired.
@@GayLPerThey always think it is "the other guys".
"Good facts;" don't you mean, " alternative facts?" This is too close to what's happening now under Trump!
Said by those who burned cities over a lie during the height of a pandemic. Irregularities? Only people who are bad people question the system, in fact its not allowed on here just as it should be. Woke Hedge fund managers and their wallstreet toadies did nothing wrong, only someone backing orange man would question the systems integrity.
@@thorable530 How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?
@@thorable530 Those backing orange man only questioned the system's integrity when it was no longer to their advantage. As long as they were winning it was "law and order," when it looked like they'd lose it became "disbelieve and defy." Those who questioned the system under orange man did so long before he took power.
I´m impressive with this show every time, seem´s brazilian Lula da Silva´s party watch the entire 5 seasons and decide to go with the Shadows. This clip is exactly what it is happening with the brazilian justicial system. But the word is not facts it is "resignifying things"
This is basically how the modern progressive acts today.
^ Projection.
@@Ragitsu Denial
It goes back and forth. Right now with the stranglehold on media and culture, it's definitely the left who's doing most of it. But give it enough time and the right will have their turn on the swings.
@@613harbinger316 you just view it that way because you don't view the side you agree with as propaganda.
Perception is a powerful tool depending on your beliefs. The lines between fact and fiction can get pretty blurred when out human emotions get involved.
There are many verifiable facts and evidence which only one side is deliberately denying, substituting positions based solely on emotion and wishful thinking. No side is guiltless, but treating them as equivalent just makes it easier for us all to walk down the fascist road, yet again.
Good Facts vs. Real Facts vs. Fake News.
**********Welcome to Earth 2019**********
Let's Go Brandon!
The embodiment of this approach -- slogans instead of ideas.
@@danieldickson8591 Not a slogan. A rallying cry. A call to action. We don't need new ideas; we simply need to get back to the foundations that our forebears laid out.
The puppet-masters controlling Biden have a plan to destroy this nation. We say no...........................
@@danieldickson8591 Black LIves Matter!
@@danieldickson8591 Like oRAngE mAn BAd
When it comes to history, we change it based upon society. Even today, it changes not on truth, but society.
This sounds so current it's frightening, J. Michael Straczynski was an absolute prophet. he predicted the whole facts vs Feelings mindset currently on display in the woke movement right now. It is frightening how much this man got right, the predictions and the real outcomes he saw and put into this masterpiece of a series
The Woke Movement is not the problem. The woke people are the ones who are aware of injustice -- preferably by having had a good history education and not sleeping through it, but if you can't get that, then being observant and thinking critically (which you would need to make good use of the history education anyway) will have to do.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
The ironic thing is that by blaming the "woke movement" they're actually engaging in the very farce they accuse the "woke movement" of being.
This show just proves fascists and authoritarian figures have no original ideas and use the same tactics, its why it seems eerily similar to what's happening for the last 5 years in America but in reality B5 is based on the events of Nazi Germany. This show even laments this, because in B5 they toppled a fascist regime but hundreds of years into the future more arise to take their place and are making the same mistake again.
They might tone down the imagery or attempt to appear less radical to detract from being compared to their predecessors but I assure you its the same shit every time.
Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side and the truth. Without any understanding of "their side" you are never quite likely to shine a light on the truth.
If you only have one narrative and you don't understand your counterparts, you are likely blind and ignorant. And the irony here is that those of you who do not know what you do not know are doomed to believe I am talking about the other side. Whereas those of you who do know what you do not know will know I am talking about the other side.
And both sides will express it isn't them. Celestial levels of irony here.
In sort "Fake News"
The people desperately trying to tie this to their own personal political rivalries are kinda hilarious.
Fellas, everyone in power does that. And if someone in power doesn't do that, then that means they're too stupid or lack resources to do that, and they'll likely be out of power very soon.
No, good people in power can exist. This is just what the bad politicians want you to think. So that when something bad comes out about them, it seems less shocking because people say "Well, they're all just as bad."
It's a subtle trick to mold your thinking that way which allows them to get away with corruption.
Saying it's common or ageless is one thing, you are not incorrect, but the absolute STATE of BOLD FACED LIES told by the mainstream media on behalf of their puppet-masters, and people being too docile / stupid to question the narrative.
If you do not think it is worse right now, with the current reach and influence of modern communication such as social-media and the Internet, combined with peoples wilful ignorance, we're at a turning point as to whether the global populace accept comfort and ignorance, vs effort and enlightenment.
The saddest part is that the human race has been down this path so many times, including recent history, that it should be obvious, yet it still works. And Sulfur, we can't lose sight of the fundamental difference between lying when necessary for the greater good, and lying when convenient for the good of yourself.
Why does this sound exactly like CRT and Socialist/Liberal New Speak to me?
I would guess it's because you don't know what CRT and Socialism actually are. Not what the politicians and pundits say they are, what their principles and priorities really are.
@@danieldickson8591 Given the minor degrees I have in political science and history .. I know better what those items are than 98% of all Americans.
@@walterengler5709 LOL, are you also an astronaut and an immunologist?
@@yveslafrance2806 Only part time as those jobs are SOO boring. My real passion is being a stunt double in movies for beefy actors, while I work on my version of a grand unified theory off to the side to pass the time between takes.
@@danieldickson8591 tbh it sounds more like right wing rethoric to anything remotely foreign. Border talk and threats from abroad. But it is also on the more extreme side of it. More proud boys then republicans.