We need to talk about Virtua Fighter.
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2023
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[1] バーチャファイター復活から1年，格闘ゲーム界はどうなった？ 「Virtua Fighter esports」青木盛治氏×「鉄拳」原田勝弘氏による対談再び - 4gamer, 02 September 2022
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[2] "Sega of America repeatedly asked Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown's developers to use rollback netcode but was deemed not feasible" - Dakota 'DarkHorse' Kills for EventHubs, 13 July 2021
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[3] "VF5FS in Yakuza 6 has Online Play" - Myke Abdow for VFDC, 11 November 2016
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[4] "Virtua Fighter producer Seiji Aoki & APM3 general producer Toshiaki Yuasa talk Virtua Fighter 3tb Online (4gamer)" - gosokkyu via Cohost, 25 November 2023
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Hey everyone! There’s obviously been a lot of updates on the situation with Virtua Fighter since this video released, and rather than taking the time to script out a new one and risk being even less timely, I just made a quick unscripted video about it over on the side channel. I think there’s reason to be excited for the future of VF!
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We are all in the same mind now. This is a big deal. the biggest problem is that the production team's mind is still thinking about the 90s arcade era. In the same sense, we constantly buy up consoles with examples like Street Fighter, Tekken or Soul Calibur. I think the production team has a problem fundamentally. I don't think they're thinking of releasing a console for the classic series even if there's no new work.
In other words, beyond the idea of releasing a new work, the production team is a total rejection of console users. Even if you look at it right now, you can see that VF is only done in Japan, and rarely in other countries. just looking at this situation, I think they are ignoring console users too much. It feels like it comes from the arrogance of the production team. we know VF4FT and VF5R when they don't release consoles already.
"You need to demonstrate, that you actually want people to play Virtua Fighter."
This.
It's actually a bit shocking that this video came two days before they announced their revival initiative at The Game Awards, where they, once again, ignored Virtual Fighter.
I think he was hoping his video would influence a VF announcement during the game awards. Lol
@@temjin44 You'd need a channel with alot more clout than this one to do something like that.
@@Longlostpuss It was a sarcastic conversation
UNPOPULAR OPINION. Virtua Fighter with the Dead Or Alive system/fluidity is Freaking AMAZING!!! I loved my VF characters in DOA5.
They belong together! Wish they stayed in DOA6...
You aren't crazy, I thought it totally worked.
I mean yes. That's the problem. VF works better in another game 😂 and doa mechanics haven't changed since 2005 either but they are somehow better
Virtua Fighter is always be my favourite fighting game since day one. Virtua Fighter 6 is definitely coming for the 30th anniversary.
I really hope for live action movie too.
Cuando es el aniversario hermano?
Dude. This video makes me sad. I mean, I'm so happy for the state of fighting games in general. The big three, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, and Tekken are putting in the work but Virtua Fighter is seriously lagging behind. And it's sad because one could make the argument that Virtua Fighter is the best and most important fighting game of them all. It paved the way for 3D gameplay, has seriously deep fighting mechanics, and refuses to sell or give into the gimmicks of so many modern games. But it's seriously lagging behind the others in terms of marketing But I refuse to give up hope. This series is an important part of my childhood. This and Tekken were the games I've got the fondest memories of. I have faith Virtua Fighter will one day come back in a big way. We just have to be patient and enjoy what's available now.
I am sure that they will simplify certain inputs or place moves in different inputs to make learning characters easier like what they kinda did for Final Showdown while still adding moves or removing some moves. That and they added what is essentially the bound mechanic from Tekken 6 to VF5FS so we can maybe expect a crazier combo system for VF6 or in a remake.
Nice vid! Really illuminates the issues facing the franchise. Kinda unfortunate in hindsight, after the Game Awards. Plus it's always good to see fellow Aussies in the FCG.
Well at least I have you, VF4: Evolution...😞
SEGA and I have long been overdue for a "come to Jesus" meeting regarding dormant IPs. Thank you for doing this. Sharing immediately! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
new virtua fighter PLEASE
Nice video, Sleepmode. I think a new VF is long overdue but I hope that it happens one day 🙏🏻
thanks Khan
@@SleepmodeFGC All good bb ❤️
Thank you, Sleep.
Until Sega does *ANYTHING GOOD* with a proper modern VF, I'll continue to hold on to my personal dump of 5FS. And also I'm so tired of the "lol get Yakuza to play VF on modern platforms then" gags lol
Ya, it can kinda have a similar negative vibe as "Melty being played anywhere" can have even while there's some positives to that.
@@LuisHGarcia yea lol I giggle a lot at "Melty's Everywhere", especially when it's done cleverly. When it's just a dismissive "lol bathroom game" gag that's no good
@@GuntanksInSpace hahaha Totally get you. There is an endearing side to it as well as kinda real part of its history, so can't totally avoid it. Does sorta parallel to VF's situation in trying to make good with the little we got at the moment.
You know, that single quote on rollback made me wonder if SEGA still hold resentment for SEGA of America's success in the 90's. Because to say "Sega of America repeatedly said to us though "Put in rollback anyway!" with a bitter smile, suggests staff there might still be resentful. The tragedy is Sega of America weren't wrong. VF5US was made barebones as fuck with hardly any customization. Hardly any customization is there to this day beyond the crossover costumes. You get online, tournament, arcade, and that's pretty much it. If the game had JUST been been delayed and given rollback, it wouldn't have had the godawful dropoff it has faced. The legacy of VF deserves better in this golden age of fighters. Rollback could've been the way but nope. This was mainly a cheap gift for SEGA's 60th anniversary. It makes me doubt VF6 is even a thing. Something even Katsuhiro Harada wants. How much more motivation do you need than the producer of your rival series even wants to see you come back and thrive???
We need VF vs DOA.... the Virtua Fighter characters even showed up in the series. How cool would it be to have a full game like that.
We asked for this a very long time ago when VF5 was at its peak. It would have been a good way to expand the interest of the franchise. In fact, DOA character in VF mechanics would work perfectly as that's the true way DOA suppose to operate anyway. Unfortunately, you know the results... Nothing happened back at 2008 onwards, and many of the super talented people at SEGA are gone due to getting a new job or retirement.
Sells won't go up
The only thing I could see saving VF and even then that's a dice roll with scratched off sides.
Good vid~ :3 Virtua Fighter needs more love elsewhere in the world, honestly. I kinda hope it's a new VF incoming, but I'm also filled with dread regarding what modern FG development sensibilities could do to it. XD;
I mostly share this sentiment as well. As much as I would like to see a new VF that's embraced by more people and not just "respected", I am concerned it would cost what makes VF what it is. It's sort of part of my thing about "letting games be themselves".
Not to mention current business practices and ect.
I could go on...
@@LuisHGarcia Same. Keep expectations loooooooow. Past VFs were always cutting edge in graphics but I doubt Sega has the budget these days. Dont be surprised if the controls are just a melee button and a super button lol. Hopefully we are wrong. Best we can hope for is a collection of all major the entries like Capcom does.
I still drag out my PS2/3 to play the old VF games. VF4Evo single player content is unmatched, If I could have that with the gameplay of FS in VF6 then I wouldn't need another fighting game again, SEGA are just sitting on gold. Its funny you mentioned Yakuza because I think the latest game also has spikeout a very good 3D beat em up that SEGA only released on the OG xbox, its true SEGAs' backlog of great games just became mini games for Yakuza.
Great Video! Can you turn off the blur after awhile though I wanted to see gameplay as you talked about it
really good video
rumours say Virtua Fiighter 6 will be announced during The Game Awards this year. considering the card Sega gave to Fighting Game Content Creators for The Game Awards. not to mention the rumours of a DoA reboot.
Been playing Street fighter for years, finally got into 3D fighters with Tekken 8 and it’s amazing being a beginner again, game is like crack.
But.
It’s bittersweet because it’s made me think of the 3D fighting genre in general. I love Tekken but let’s be honest it’s the only game in town.
Yes I know you can play VF5 but as you say it’s platform locked and the online is terrible.
Yes I know you can play Soulcalibre or DOA 6 but again; they both have massive issues and with Tekken 8 being so good why would you suffer that?
If you’re into 2D fighters you have so many options, so many styles to choose from, SF, KOF, anime games, tag fighters etc etc.’
The 3D space needs something new. Tekken needs competition, we need VF6
Thank you for sharing this. Def makes me reflect on how VF has been treated by Sega and the FGC (largely in the US). Brings up a lot of thoughts and emotions.
Spawn Wave and DreamcastGuy also received these invitations. Either they have several announcements including Virtua Fighter[Jet Set radio and Crazy Taxi] or it's something completely different
Before VF5US came out on the PS4&5, the crossover of DOA5LR with 4 VF was great and made sense.
However, my issue with VF is why do the VF characters look better in DOA5LR than they do in their own game? For example, Sarah’s hair is crazy in DOA, why not in VF?
Simply, DOA 5 dropped after VF5. Had time to update the graphics..
@@jasonelbow3807 That’s a ridiculous excuse when VF5 Vanilla for the PS3 stage graphics and lighting still look better than DOA5’s. The VF5 character models are just ugly. VF4 models looked better imo.
@@BCDC123 True. True you are right. But when VF5 FS dropped Sega dropped the visual fidelity. You may remember, when FS dropped in 2012 it was a download only game. Imagine during that time trying to drop a download only game with the visual representation of Vanilla VF5. It wouldn't have run smoothly. So Sega had to drop the polygonal rate and dull the colors. That's why DOA 5 looks better than FS but not VF5 Vanilla.
And keep in mind, Final Showdown (FS) is a update to VF5 R (Japan only), which is a update to VF 5 vanilla..
@@jasonelbow3807 I get what you are saying, but I’m talking about the character models specifically. VF4 Sarah design is more attractive than VF5 Sarah design but DOA5 Sarah’s design looks better than both VF4 and VF5 designs.
Virtua Fighter is the gold standard of 3D fighting, so much so that's it's literally been gatekept for over a decade by the Japanese fighting game community. Seriously, it's a very Elitest scene in Japan when it comes to Virtua Fighter, and they like how it's not "trending" around the world.
But Sega is doing massive development and prep for the new VF, it's gonna take time but it's gonna be a huge return of the true king of fighters
I’m sorry, but I actually just don’t think that’s true. A whole bunch of top-level Japanese VF players are in the UK for the Global Showdown tournament right now, and that tournament has been actively promoted by Tetsuko Yamada/Homestay Akira, on top of the multiple direct lines of communication that the English-speaking VF scene has with the Japanese scene. I don’t think the VF community or the Japanese FGC as a whole really has any part to play in the gatekeeping of VF
@@SleepmodeFGC This is painfully and sadly true. The real truth is many Japanese are in the same yet different boat from those in the west, which is they want NEW VF and being pushing Sega for years and now they are tired. The stance is, if it comes it comes, if it don't it don't. SEGA as lost TOO MUCH money by squandering their opportunities and not truly understanding the markets, and Sega West HQs 100% did not help at all. SEGA's worse enemy is themselve.
@@SleepmodeFGC oh ya, but I'm talking like like last decades. Like VF was all but dead in the FGC. It hasn't had that World stage treatment in so long. Like Street Fighter levels of popularity in the FGC.
Sega is just ran by moronic executives is the reality seemingly. Atlus can do whatever they want, RGG is the LAD series and spinoffs, and then there’s Sonic. That’s it for the mega publishing giant that is sega essentially for consistent games. It makes zero sense.
One of the best, if not, the best video game made...
Virtua Fighter is dope
To be honest even though it revolutionized in the earlier times. It's just not going to make it in this new market and new generation of people.
Couldn't imagine something like VF surviving the 2020s. The Microwaved/Easybake oven kids post 2015 will not care or appreciate VF like us throwback heads did.
Nevermind the fact Sega has been consistently shooting themselves in the foot business wise like a Hanna Barbera cartoon.
I think ultimately it comes down to the teams working at sega and those who are interested in the project. I think for years it has lacked true vision do to graphics being a push for most of the games and seeing how graphics are really advancing without virtua fighter now, I assume they are trying to find new ways to make the game appealing.
Not saying the gameplay wasn’t a push either. Virtua fighter’s gameplay is better than a lot of fighting games
I hate the fact that I play fighting games that the developers just don’t care about ex. Dead Or Alive, Virtua Fighter, Bloody Roar etc. it’s just sad honestly they leave us no choice but to just play Tekken not to mention they only put Ultimate Showdown on PS.. it’s crazy that we have social media now and us as fans tell these developers what we want we literally give them the blueprint and they still can’t figure it out.. its crazy how games were better back then before social media
I think the game director leaving Koei Tecmo + Team Ninja being too busy making other games is why we haven't gotten anything new yet. I think DOA 6 wasn't very successful sales wise but I'm not sure on that.
Amen.
It's such a shame. VF5US got me back into Virtua Fighter in what seems like forever. I have note that I live in the Netherlands so VF5US's online functionality is actually ok here, but it hurts that SEGA just lets this game linger on without giving it any tlc and ignoring the chance to bring VF back in any big way.
Wait, you can play VF5FS online? How does that work? I'm already running it on RPCS3.
I actually just bought a PS4 just to play Ultimate Showdown online, been enjoying it so far but I live in one of the cities that has a server. Thanks for the video, much good info here.
You can connect RPCS3 to a service called RPCN that basically acts as a pseudo-PSN for the emulator. Give it a go!
can you post a new discord link for the kamen rider climax heroes discord?
Yeah, it is sad that the only available version to buy on PC is the Sega Genesis VF2 version. Thankfully we got emulators. If it was not for them, I would not be enjoying VF4 and VF5 so much, lately. If a VF6 is announced, I hope it comes to PC, as I don't have a console.
Great video, this is why we have emulation
I have final tuned on disc. I did not miss out in Europe 😅
I'd like to see VF 1 or 2 arcades ported to current consoles. I know they ported 2 to PS3, but I'd like to see SEGA at least plonk them somewhere accessible so that I can give it a go.
Virtua Fighter 5 is still my everyday player. VF is the best 3D fighting game besides Fighter's Destiny when it comes to realism. I fvcking loved this series.
VF has always been under rated because people want flash and gimmicks and not true game mechanics. VF is the only true 3d fighter, everything else is flash.
Sure a bit of side dishes wouldn't hurt anyway. A few extras for the OST, a couple of unlockables... Fleshing out those characters with profiles and endings *in game* and not in manuals, which are a lost art now, would make having a home edition of VF more worth it to likely many.
In this classic Tekken did better, as the arcade versions didn't have endings but the home ports had small videos. Nothing deep but better than the nothing VF gives for finishing the game.
Imo the best in this is Soul Calibur with profiles in the characters' stage and a few still images with story for endings. Not too intrusive, more than nothing
I'd say military tech has done about a gazillion more useful things than a computer game, bud.
I'd rather Sega take their time and do VF when they have something new to say, rather than force one out.
Yes
VF3 tb Online Arcade is the next Game, that we get next.
But it's almost or more 10 Years, as VF2 was Online at PS3!!!
Apparently with every virtua fighter they make, they try to create something revolutionary. This could the reason why a new VF has not been seen
yeah, this is something I plan to touch on in a follow up to this video. there’s probably good reason for the radio silence up to this point
I think Aoki had said that Sega only wanted to do it if theres some kind of innovation. They are at least having design talks it seems.
You mean Writers' Block? Yes, that's a real thing. However, that isn't entirely the case for VF6. It was for a couple of years but only for that length of time. Now, it has been 15 years since VF5. It's ridiculously late to the point that even Namco is craving for a new VF game to inspire from.
@SleepmodeFGC It isn't radio silence, that is literally what they said recently. They won't release a game just do be doing it.
I understand that, but their pride is making them losers. How about they innovate a damn story mode so we can see their classic characters in action.
The anime is a nice timestamp and minds controlled Sarah looked great in it, but they need something to help fans create an attachment to the characters besides gameplay only.
If Sega spent half as much effort actually promoting VF as they did going "look at low poly Akira, 'member the 90s?" it would have done Strive numbers by now.
Song?
VF4 vanilla Pai stage theme
@@mainaHighway ty
And..................... No VF was announced at the Games Awards. They only announced Golden Axe, Shinobi, Crazy Taxi, Streets of Rage and Jet Set Radio. All 5 are great, but what is so much greater are VF and Panzer Dragoon. Sega... As always.... fails to truly deliver.
This video is great but the thumbnail doesn’t grab easily
Also the visuals too dispersed imo
@@Lozzu Yeah I normally put more effort into my videos but I just kind of wanted to put this out quickly, since it’s not really the “main” sort of thing that I do
This was worth listening to
REally don't understand why Sega not releasing VF6....
Because you shouldn't just make something when you have no ideas.
Sega has little faith in Virtua Fighter outside of Japan. If they did we would have seen a lot more VF that were not in collaborations and Japanese exclusive stuff. We're at Sega's mercy if we get anything VF at all.
lol ultimate showdown is latest, only if you hoping updated patch with some new characters
i undestand the point and i really want to SEGA to release a new VF but let get real no one is gonna play it unless some household name like justin wong or maximillian play the game consistently so the game have a huge promotion nobody is gonna play it specially in USA in japan is other thing and other level even to this day they have VF2 tournaments but here is impossible Sega even release and gave a huge promotion of VF5US (aka VF5Esports in arcades only in japan) for ps4 with new graphics some fixes here and there specially having rollback netcode and even max play the game a few times but nothing happens no one mention it again nada it was another attempt that fell short the only way for virtua fighter to have recognition outside japan is if in the next EVO they put the game on center stage like they do with KOF13 and i don't say that VF is not important or is not a fun game to play that in my personal opinion i like VF better that tekken because to play VF you have to be skillful and have the nerves of still to play it and master it is not a easy game but is fun and i love it but that the sad thing with VR but what else we can do T_T
The netcode isn’t that big of an issue as VF5US gives you a sizeable input buffer to compensate for any delays, meaning if you buffer in a move it can still come out instantly after a different attack
Companies Only Care About Generating Profit, So Deprive Them Of That... By Refusing To Buy Yakuza Games, Until We Get A NEW Solid Virtua Fighter Game.
I Have Been A Diehard Sega Fan Since The Release Of The Master System, & A Fan Of Virtua Fighter Since The Release Of The First Game. Refusing Yakuza Is The Key To Get Them To Reevaluate The Virtua Fighter Situation.
Good Video!
When everyone is making a new fighting game, don't join in, it will divide the market. You can't maximize profits, especially if your game is head to head with Tekken
i cant help but also blame VF fans for vfs current situation.they literally have no expectations and eat everything that sega throws at them.
How can they eat when they're barely given much?
I want a VF6, a realistic version.
So did this guy not see the FGC content creators getting a special card from Sega telling them to keep a eye on the Game Awards?
I literally talk about it at the end of the video
So where is it
@@SleepmodeFGC Not gonna lie, this vid was a whole lot of complaining. At the time of VF5US sadly a lot of Japanese devs didn't believe in rollback. It was see as a weird US only thing. It wasn't till the pandemic hit and everyone got to fully see how their online infrastructure really was that they started implementing rollback. Where even older games were getting a rollback update. Then there's the lines about not getting ports of the last installments of certain versions. You really think spending money localizing, shipping and advertising on a already niche title is gonna really bring in that much cash? VF4 Sold really good, Evo moved a few units. How many do you really think a third installment was really gonna move? Same with FV5. As for VF3tb it seems you understand the situation. It's looked as the black sheep of the series. Sega understands that. So they are keeping it in a market where it will sell. Look man l love me some VF. Been playing the game since it came out. MY old man surprised us with a Saturn back in the day and we would play the crap out of VF2 when that came out. But you also gotta understand how the market and logistics works. The good news is that Sega has said that a VF game is being considered. They wanna get it right and not just half ass it and call it a day.
virtua quest 2 baby
Thing is Vf needs to spice their series up. End the repetitive gameplay.
I'm not gonna make excuses for Sega but I have shilled Virtua Fighter 4 on Fightcade online and in real life to people based on it being pretty damn close to VF5 in terms of gameplay and it having rollback and people still choose to not play. People are just lazy. I see all these people coming out of the woodwork like "omg new VF coming maybe????" like they have ever given a single shit about the franchise when they are in fact posers. The mass majority of people who have played VF and are hoping for a new one basically just played 2 or 4 back in the day for like 10 hours total and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, oblivious of the fact that those games can be played with great netcode right now online.
You can't get people to play 3tb either. Too weird. Too legacy. Like Tekken isn't. You have to essentially force people to like it when it's the only option, why do you think Strive and Tekken 7 got so big? Because there was nothing else of that quality during that time period. Same goes for Street Fighter IV tbh. You're gonna see all these people hype a new game up and then it'll get unceremoniously dropped by the FGC for not being perfect or enough like Tekken or whatever is popular come 2050.
If you want people to be shouting from the rooftops for a new game, we have to get people in the loop on what we have now too. Virtua Fighter, contrary to popular belief, is in a much better state now than it ever was in 2012 when FS got released. It'll make fans out of people when there is irrefutable proof posted every day that VF is alive and kicking and people want to learn. That's the power of marketing.
I'll say though that Sega fumbled VF once in 2007 with VF5 PS3 not having any netcode period and exclusive to the $599 console for many months and they just never bothered to truly try again here. Hell, they barely tried with VF4, a game that was so superior to Tekken at the time people more fondly remember VF4 than Tekken 4 by a long shot in the East and West despite it getting zero marketing. It is only in retrospect that T4 has gained much love.
I definitely agree with you about the need to broadcast the things that the VF scene is doing right now -- I’ve seen the work that you and countless others put into running regular events and other things, and in retrospect I should have put a greater light on that, because in many ways I feel that the VF scene outside Japan will only be able to sustain itself through its own efforts as opposed to anything from Sega, since they just don’t seem interested in trying
@@SleepmodeFGC Grassroots is the moniker for local tournaments because roots are supposed to be the lifeline for something. The VF scene in Japan has sustained itself for much of its life without Sega's support. Sega basically just ran Kakuto Shinseiki a few times whenever a new release of VF came out and Maximum Battle in 1996. VF community meanwhile has ran Beat Tribe Cup since at least the VF3 days and now we have a dedicated VF3 World Cup that clearly inspired AM2 to give the Japanese community the Online release.
The worst thing we can be doing is waiting for Sega to vindicate our scene and sticking with it. That's asking to put all of our eggs in one basket like console shooter scenes did with MLG back in the day (and still do now...). As you said, we should be broadcasting what we are doing right now and trying to reach the greatest audience possible with what's going on with VF. For too long the major players in the VF scene have been spread out across group chats and discords, but lately we have been making a concerted effort to centralize the community on Discord at least, between there and VFDC.
Sega only cares about the Japanese VF scene.
Good. that's how it should be!
@@Yo6Akami you’re so nonsensical
@@queenofhearts905
Shut it!
As things stand today, I think that's for the best. I like japanese products because they cater to a japanese audience. I don't want them to start catering to the western market and lose their essence like so many japanese franchises, like guilty gear and street fighter.
@@AllRightPinguinoRodriguez What essence did Street Fighter lose? I'm pretty sure it's still super popular in Japan.
I bet *SEGA* does not have the manpower to make a VF by the standards the series is known for. After AM 2 imploded, Yu Suzuki left the company, and how arcades in Japan were left in the dust was just a matter of time for the series to be retired and I think is for good. For now, I prefer to not have a bad game carrying the name of *Virtua Fighter.* Let Tekken hype the normies. It was always like that.
VF 6 is getting revealed on Thursday.
Chill.
[citation needed]
We have to wait & see.
Cool VF6 trailer bro.
So where is it
"...and more"
I love it when youtubers read their little script they wrote and use shitty little pauses in their speech to make us think they're doing it unscripted and actually thinking about what to say next.
???
Thats enough internet for you today!
So should they not write a script And just ramble?
fr lol
Why do you care anyway? If he used jump cuts, would that make you happy? That could just be his natural cadence.
Lol, it’s funny how the RUclipsr guy doesn’t acknowledge that DOA exists …
Because I was talking about Virtua Fighter, dude. I actually have a script in the works talking about DOA if that helps :)
Tekken sucks, MK also, I tried one last year on Xbox also really bad. What we have of value is VF and DOA, I thnk SEGA and Team Ninja should join forces.
I don't like dismissal of other games just because VF keeps getting snubbed; a lot of tekken players don't try VF because they perceive a sort of exclusionary elitism among VF players. I quite like tekken and MK even if I greatly prefer VF. But, I do think DOA has retained a lot more of its VF DNA than tekken has, and I totally agree that if there were ever going to be a crossover of 3D fighting games, VF X DOA makes the most sense. After all, several VF characters appeared in DOA5 already.