8:04 YOU BET YOUR ASS I'M INTO THAT Seriously though, the jump between Killing Blade and Martial Masters from an art standpoint alone is genuinely absurd for only being a year apart.
I absolutely love learning about video games from obscure corners of the world. The industry is so dominated by the US and Japan that there are countless titles from around the globe that go overlooked, yet can be a revelation to discover.
@@nick-playercharacter8583Great collection, specially if you're a fan of beat'em ups (IGS specialty), from that collection the gladiator and Knights of Valour 2: nine dragons are absolutelly great.
8:46 Actually a little disappointed that GuileWinQuote didn't do his full research for this video, because the IGS Arcade Collection DID eventually patch in proper 4:3 aspect ratio as an option, so to see him just rely on an old tweet from launch, instead of double-checking if anything was changed, is kind of surprising, since he's usually really good on getting his info right; it still may not be a perfect port, but IGS did seem to put in the work to improve upon its launch state. Beyond that, though, I can definitely say that Spectral vs. Generation is indeed a very cool fighter, and I would have loved to see what IGS could have done with a sequel on the PGM2 or 3.
I have mixed feelings about Martial Masters. His first two albums are all-time classics of course but they have a lot of lyrics that haven't aged well. I know it was supposed to be provocative at the time but now it's kind of hard to be okay with some of those lines. And I just cannot bring myself to care about any of his newer material, it feels like he's still riding the success of his early work. I'm from Michigan though so I have a degree of innate fondness for Detroit rappers but there's a lot that are better imo.
When you mentioned Spectral vs. Generation was an Idea Factory crossover I imagined how Neptune would look as a bonus character in a re-release and chuckled, then remembered there's probably nobody who could actually pull off that level of spritework nowadays and felt sad.
Unfortunately, the reason sprite-art died in most fighting games really has nothing to do with "laziness" or anything. It would only realy be difficult if you went for the approach that something like KOFXIII did with rotoscoped models. In fact, in terms of practicality just scanning drawings would be way easier than modeling, mocaping, etc. the problem is that if a game is going to meet modern HD standards, the power needed for fast sprite scaling in 2K/4K or even just proper 1080p would cause most consoles and PCs to implode. Which is why even in modern anime fighters the sprites are a bit pixelated/crusty: making them straight scans and scaling them would make them run horribly.
2:22 it’s not “just some guy” it’s Wong Fei Hong. A Chinese hero that became almost mythical. The Once Upon A Time In China movies ( with Jet Li) and Drunken Master movies ( with Jackie Chan) have him as the main character. More than a 100 movies were made about that “just some guy”.
Killing blade is more Ninja Masters than Samsho IMO And its emphasis on aerial moves are a nod to the fantasy wuxia genre, where the charafters just flies all over the place(a more subdued, well known version of this is Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon)
6:20 i really really loved how despite that everyone's Shadow was just a clone of themselves, for some reason, this dude has a little shadow monkey that throws durians and pineapples. love that so much
I’m so glad you put this out. I remember the only way I could find martial masters was on eBay for 1000$ and get a custom pgm for around 600, years ago. Had it on my watch list for years and today I finally am able to play it for 30$. Peace.
I remember discovering Martial masters by checking cool mugen characters A friend had told me about these guys that looked right in with the street fighter alfa-mvc characters and i had to see em
Martial Masters garnered more attention from the fighting community while Spectral VS went largely unknown, but as for me, I picked up Spectral VS and was really into it with my group of fighting game friends because I was a fan of the Spectral Force games. So a fighting game based on the series had my immediate attention. Meanwhile, I have never seen Martial Masters until today LOL. I've also never noticed, that the game is a Japanese/Chinese joint made game! Martial Masters does indeed look really good and certainly a huge step up from IGS's earlier games. I just wish it didn't look so much like Street Fighter III, because even with its beautifully crafted sprites and animation, I just couldn't help but see it as a Street Fighter III knock off with a lot of things the game obviously 'borrowed' or 'inspired' by. In any case, it looks like a lot of fun and I'll have to check it out on the Switch. Speaking of which, I regularly browse through deals on the Switch's eShop but still don't remember seeing this game. I might have skipped through it because it looks like some unknown indie games? But at least I know the name of the game now, so I can just look it up directly.
I remember learning about Spectral vs Generation when my friend imported it. It really is a fun game and I'm glad more eyes are on it now. I knew it was a crossover because I recognized Wells when I tried playing Generation of Chaos without a manual. Good times.
IGS also licensed and produced DDP2: Bee Storm. Today it's widely considered the worst DoDonPachi game, it still was such a massive success in the arcades that it convinced Cave to re-enter the arcade market (instead of just licensing their IP) and they went on to produce arcade games for another 10 years. Unfortunately even in Japan Shmup arcade games are pretty niche these days and they have basically exited gaming. The PS3/360 generation was also really hard on A & AA developers. Game production costs greatly increased and there was a shift from "gamey" games to more experience games (think Uncharted, Elder Scrolls, etc.). Treasure (Ikaruga, Mischief Makers, Silhouette Mirage) was another developer who basically died out in this era.
First time I saw Martial Masters was at one of the casino`s arcade in Las Vegas in 2000-01. I remember doing a double take on it like, "What in gods name is this beauty?"
Martial Masters looks very nice, and IGS did a incredible work on it. The sprite animation and character designs is well made, and reminds me a lot like SF3. I like they re release this on modern consoles with online play.
THere's also the gouketsu ichizoku series (otherwise known as Power Instinct), with its third game (aka Groove on Fight) being unavailable on fightcade as of writing. You can emulate it via mame versions before 254 (and also the ST-V bios needed) and every character's super is 222K. it's nuts lol i have not played the prior games but im sure theyre good (they also have playstation and dreamcast ports iirc)
I've played a small amount of the very first Power Instinct a while back and it's neat! I don't recall if there were any big systems to explore but it was a very serviceable SF2 challenger
The final game, Gouketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzou Kuyou is also not available on fightcade as of right now, but it's also a very well respected entry in the series, from what I have seen.
Glad to see another excellent video, I knew about both games but not the hardware they were built on! Speaking of chinese fighting games, have you ever thought about doing a video on Xuan Dou Zhi Wang? That pc only KOF clone from back in the day?
Glad to see a video about SvG, this is one of my favorite fighting games. I don't care if a game is famous or not, since it is well made I play it. My dream is that someone creates a hack for balancing the game, removing all the infinite combos. My favorite characters are Roze and Hiro.
I remember during lockdowns just browsing on fightcade finding martial masters. It was super fun. My main was Tiger. I dunno if you did already, but could you cover kizuna encounter and asura blade/buster. Those are legit hidden gems.
It is interesting how the affordability of snk arcades is what allowed for kof and other snk games to be more popular in poorer regions around the world. And because of the the strong regions are those same regions. Latam comes to mind.
Overall standing animations broke the team budget, and that must be why the rest of the animations of the chars revert to a "past generation". Like the standing animation is SF3 tier and the rest of animations are Marvel tier or Darkstalkers tier.
I’d love too see you cover Omen of Sorrow. It’s a unreal engine fighting game made by a team out of Chile Called A One games. It’s a horror inspired roster with system mechanics that feel like a mix between VSAV and UNI, but with movement that is not nearly as good as that label implies. Jwong did a video about it when it came out on PS4 and it’s really fun. It was pretty much the only game I played during October because it’s so fun and spooky. Also the soundtrack is genuinely amazing.
I have both of these games. Martial Masters is definitely my favorite of the 2. As soon as it was released on the Switch, I picked it up right away. I didn't care if it was $30, I had to have it. It's my 3rd favorite Fighting Game on the Switch behind KOF XIII & Samurai Shodown.
The fact that I have never heard of any of the games in this video makes me proud to have been one of your first 1000 subs. (At least I think I joined you around 600-990) Great finds! Man I need a computer that can handle Fightcade bad! I'm missing out on too many old school competitions.
Oh man, The Killing Blade. I remember watching a gameplay video of that on RUclips years ago and at that time it was uploaded, the emulation of said game had some imperfections -- getting a single hit from the CPU is an instant kill lol.
talking about overlooked games hope you talk about a ps3 / arcade very unknown fighter one day named Dark awake a medieval fantasy themed 2d team fighter i almost never see talked about.
@@GuileWinQuote Woah awesome How about daemon bride?that's another rather unknown title Maybe not worth a whole video but def worth mentioning if you can one day :)
I remember learning about Martial Masters and immediately liking Tiger because he was just some Christian dude fighting, lol. His arcade ending is really sweet too.
wow didn't know IGS made other fighting games othr then MM mostly here in east/south east asia IGS is mostly known for their side scrolling shooters, their mahjong series and makers of some of the best side scrolling arcade beat them ups (some even shown here) a genre capcom practically ignore and focus mainly on making console games during the late 90s
I must say, I am *legitimately* shocked to find out that this entire video isn't dedicated to Alien Challenge. Once more, poor Alien Challenge is denied it's own video essay.... smh Seriously though, awesome to see Martial Masters and Spectral VS Generation get some love. I knew Spectral VS Generation was a crossover, but didn't care to look up what it was _crossing over_ - I knew of obscure srpgs like Growlanser that were not for me, so I didn't need to look into the games further. Learning that they were made by Idea Factory makes me sad that they're not currently doing more the occasional crossover fighter now though. Or Atlus too, for that matter - how long has it been since Persona Arena? Arika got tired of waiting for them fighting game contracts to come, so they had to self-fund Fighting EX Layer. Eighting is getting back into the swing of things with DNF Duel and an upcoming Hunter x Hunter fighting game, and they too have just been wasted for years. Why aren't these other companies throwing out contracts for more crossover fighters to companies like this? Ugh... Idea Factory could be working on a Neptunia/Death End Re:Quest/Fairy Fencer crossover fighting game with 8ing or Arika _right now_ in another universe and that's so lame that we're not the universe that's going to get it.
Well Arika and Eighting still are support developers for other projects that weren't fighting games. That didn't change. In Eighting's case, the team that developed Tatsunoko vs Capcom and the Marvel vs Capcom 3 series was disbanded and many of their members were reassigned elsewhere, left the company or left the industry all together like director Go Usuma who is still at Eighting, but worked on Pikmin 4 instead over DNFDuel. Several ex-Eighting staff of those games are now at Capcom working on the Monster Hunter series. Arika has been busy a bunch supporting on Nintendo & Square Enix titles, while I'm sure they'd love to get the next major Fighting EX Layer update out as fast as they could, they need to pay the bills to keep the lights on.
>a taiwanese arcade company exists. >creates their own arcade games including their fighting game “alien challenge.” >makes their own hardware to rival the MVS. >proceeds to make 3 other fighting games even though they are not like the other. >refuses to elaborate further. >leaves.
Fun fact IGS is actually still around! Their more modern games include a f2p reboot of Knights of Valour on ps4, the Hero of Robots arcade game series and the arcade version of Asphalt 9 :3
im new to this channel been watching some vids and enjoying the knowledge so far i wanna share you a relatively obscure jank fighting game with a crowded roster its kamen rider super climax heroes on the wii/psp a fighting game on the tokusatsu genre yknow the costumed japaneses superhero kinda stuff like power rangers its a funny unbalanced game with colorful selection of characters made by 8ing who also made tatsunoko vs capcom and that castlevania fighting game (a character used the whipping animation from this game) there is also a similar yet different game with only a fraction of the roster called kamen rider dragon knight which can add to the discussion material we have a very small community for both of the games above i would like to see a coverage on that game and bring more exposure to it oh and also i kinda wanna see a video for quantity over quality fighting games always fun to see fighting games with a large roster
i can tell the problem of those games : at the end of the video i forgot the name of everyone of them. Martial master look super fun tho, gonna remember the name until i dl it i hope...
It must feel weird seeing titles you worked on two decades ago suddenly develop dedicated communities in foreign countries. I wonder how many of the original staff even know about this?
Played a lot of Spectral Force/Tower in the PS1 days and Generation of Chaos in the early PS2 days, so VS Generation was a lovely surprise for me. It isn't the best of fighters, but it was fun.
YO! I was not expecting to play Martial Masters and then at the end you bring up the collection?! I went and downloaded that immediately. Thank you! 🙏🫡
I love how Tiger is a christian dude that converts people through fighting lmao while also being a fusion between Terry and Ken Whitest man in fighting game history
On the topic of overlooked god-tier fighters, I would LOVE to see some coverage of the Power Instinct/Gōketsuji series, Most people only seem to really know about Groove on Fight (which ironically has nothing to do with the entire rest of the series) but the whole series is deserving of some serious praise IMO. All of them are playable through either MAME or Teknoparrot, so they're absolutely worth a try for any fan of the genre.' Legends is probably my personal favorite, but Matrimelee is also sick, even if all of the characters from the old games look totally different.
I feel that the most popular one is Matrimelee though. Because of it's higher quality and it being a NeoGeo game unlike every other PI title. GOF might be more talked about specifically in context of obscure and underrated games, but it's an exclusive Saturn fg, it just can't compete with the popularity level of the rest.
@@GuileWinQuote At least a brief overview would be interesting if you decide to cover those later PI games, because giving the proper context of the franchise would be nice imo. From my experience most fg fans (who don't know much beyond the mainstream, no matter if they are old schoolers) tend to talk like Matrimelee is a standalone game and not just one release from a franchise almost as old as Mortal Kombat, bacause of much Matrimelee stands out in the whole franchise. Oh and the fact it's not numbered in the title name and it's the only NeoGeo title, making it very accessible, must be a big help.
I remember finding a tas of Martial Masters when I didn't know what it was, and thinking "what is this SF3 animation madness doing in this unknown game". And I didn't even know what was Spectral Vs Generation before your video, nor the history behind the PGM system. Thank you for your incredible videos, these small parts of video game history are always interesting to learn about.
I'm probably like one of the three people who played Spectral vs Generation on PS2 in Europe. Seeing it show up here was like a time machine throwing me 15 years into the past, and I had NO idea it was part of this weird SNK-killer lore. As always, thank you for your fun and positive fighting game content, and have a good 2024!
It’s insane how igs started out making simple if fun games, to legitimately excellent stuff. Dondonpachi 2 is probably my favorite entry in the series and the matti and martial master is so good. Really wonder what was going on behind the scenes
Really appreciate the mention of Alien Challenge, it's a super lovable game i've been playing for a while now, even if it's a short mention it's a good one.
Once again thanks for talking about this cool stuff GWQ. I just want to add that Spectral vs. Generation had in fact a pretty decent competitive scene in Japan in mid 2000s, because one of the reasons why I got interested in the game were the videos of the tournaments in Tokyo Ranking Fighters (TRF), a legendary game center in Nakano Broadway that still exist. At that time PGM emulation was shitty so I played a crapton of the PS2 version with some friends. Finally one of my friends got a PGM with an original taiwanese SVG cartridge but, for some reason, the taiwanese and the japanese version of the game are pretty different, with combos that you can't do on the taiwanese version. I guess IGS wanted to fix some things when they released the game on Japan so... just in case. PGM is a weird piece of arcade history because IGS truly wanted to go head to head against SNK with the cheapest PCB board ever made at that time yet it was close to impossible to find a PGM game here in latin america. PGM is one of those machines that are alive and has a community online almost exclusively thanks to emulation, so bless the MAME team because I clearly remember how hard was to emulate the machine, in fact PGM still has some emulation issues with timing and some small glitches. Also, on a fun note, IGS is still making arcade games but they are mostly into games for kids, like real small kids. They also still have a good relationship with SNK, as they added some KOF characters on one of their mobile games last month.
I had no idea that Martial Masters had such humble beginnings. I guess it makes sense that a CPS3-grade fighter doesn't just materialise out of thin air.
I fucking love Martial Masters and SVG. Every session on Figthcade- it was tradition to go from MM to SVG. Great Video! Also from what I know, Martial Masters was actually created by a Korean team for IGS ; don't know if that's the same for SVG though.
I played a bunch of Spectral vs. Generation on my PSP. My friend group in middle/high school had a lot of fun playing SFA3 with all the customised characters, Darkstalkers, Guilty Gear, and Spectral. Good times.
8:04 YOU BET YOUR ASS I'M INTO THAT
Seriously though, the jump between Killing Blade and Martial Masters from an art standpoint alone is genuinely absurd for only being a year apart.
Fun fact the creator of MAS systems (yeah the supergun and arcade stick company) was the person to figure out how to play mvs carts on aes
Now I wanna play and learn more martial masters now
Crane is a certified Jwong character 🫡
@@GuileWinQuotethats who I first picked a while back
I absolutely love learning about video games from obscure corners of the world. The industry is so dominated by the US and Japan that there are countless titles from around the globe that go overlooked, yet can be a revelation to discover.
Addendum: The first thing I did after watching this was pick up that IGS collection on my Switch.
@@nick-playercharacter8583Great collection, specially if you're a fan of beat'em ups (IGS specialty), from that collection the gladiator and Knights of Valour 2: nine dragons are absolutelly great.
8:46 Actually a little disappointed that GuileWinQuote didn't do his full research for this video, because the IGS Arcade Collection DID eventually patch in proper 4:3 aspect ratio as an option, so to see him just rely on an old tweet from launch, instead of double-checking if anything was changed, is kind of surprising, since he's usually really good on getting his info right; it still may not be a perfect port, but IGS did seem to put in the work to improve upon its launch state. Beyond that, though, I can definitely say that Spectral vs. Generation is indeed a very cool fighter, and I would have loved to see what IGS could have done with a sequel on the PGM2 or 3.
I looked into a patch and couldn't find anything, but thanks for the info. I'm removing that part of the video out now.
@@GuileWinQuote Thanks for the quick response, GWQ.
I have mixed feelings about Martial Masters. His first two albums are all-time classics of course but they have a lot of lyrics that haven't aged well. I know it was supposed to be provocative at the time but now it's kind of hard to be okay with some of those lines. And I just cannot bring myself to care about any of his newer material, it feels like he's still riding the success of his early work. I'm from Michigan though so I have a degree of innate fondness for Detroit rappers but there's a lot that are better imo.
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Ooooh Marshall I see what happened here 😂😂😂
😂 incredible shitpost bro
Bro!! 😂😂😂😂
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When you mentioned Spectral vs. Generation was an Idea Factory crossover I imagined how Neptune would look as a bonus character in a re-release and chuckled, then remembered there's probably nobody who could actually pull off that level of spritework nowadays and felt sad.
Unfortunately, the reason sprite-art died in most fighting games really has nothing to do with "laziness" or anything. It would only realy be difficult if you went for the approach that something like KOFXIII did with rotoscoped models. In fact, in terms of practicality just scanning drawings would be way easier than modeling, mocaping, etc.
the problem is that if a game is going to meet modern HD standards, the power needed for fast sprite scaling in 2K/4K or even just proper 1080p would cause most consoles and PCs to implode. Which is why even in modern anime fighters the sprites are a bit pixelated/crusty: making them straight scans and scaling them would make them run horribly.
@@GuestZer0 She'd fit in well in a sequel to Nitroplus Blasterz or a similar Bishojou fighter.
ps2 is my first ever console and i just now remembered playing spectral vs generation after watching this video this is nuts.
@@warbossgegguz679 To this day I'm still sad NB never got a sequel with more characters.
It doesn't even look that good visually though?
2:22 it’s not “just some guy” it’s Wong Fei Hong. A Chinese hero that became almost mythical. The Once Upon A Time In China movies ( with Jet Li) and Drunken Master movies ( with Jackie Chan) have him as the main character. More than a 100 movies were made about that “just some guy”.
That's not the name on screen so I don't blame the fella!
XD
Yeah, the "Hung Gar" guy he mentioned in Martial Masters is based on the same guy. Last Blade by SNK also had a character based on Wong, IIRC.
What's weird is that he even mentioned Huang(Martial Masters) being based on Jet Li from Once Upon a Time in China? Which is Wong Fei Hong.
Dumb joke about the localization that I forgot to expand on and didn't realize. Whoops 😓
@@GuileWinQuote considering the topic lately, you played it safe and avoided a BIG PUNISH...
Killing blade is more Ninja Masters than Samsho IMO
And its emphasis on aerial moves are a nod to the fantasy wuxia genre, where the charafters just flies all over the place(a more subdued, well known version of this is Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon)
6:20 i really really loved how despite that everyone's Shadow was just a clone of themselves, for some reason, this dude has a little shadow monkey that throws durians and pineapples. love that so much
I’m so glad you put this out. I remember the only way I could find martial masters was on eBay for 1000$ and get a custom pgm for around 600, years ago. Had it on my watch list for years and today I finally am able to play it for 30$. Peace.
YES YES YES! You're finally talking about Martial Masters! Thank you Mr. WinQuote thank you!
DOUGSTER SUPREMACY (like for one touchdown, retweet for 2 point conversion)
I remember discovering Martial masters by checking cool mugen characters
A friend had told me about these guys that looked right in with the street fighter alfa-mvc characters and i had to see em
The crazy thing is that Martial Masters in 1999 holds up so well it looks better than Spectral vs Generation in 2005
Martial Masters garnered more attention from the fighting community while Spectral VS went largely unknown, but as for me, I picked up Spectral VS and was really into it with my group of fighting game friends because I was a fan of the Spectral Force games. So a fighting game based on the series had my immediate attention. Meanwhile, I have never seen Martial Masters until today LOL. I've also never noticed, that the game is a Japanese/Chinese joint made game!
Martial Masters does indeed look really good and certainly a huge step up from IGS's earlier games. I just wish it didn't look so much like Street Fighter III, because even with its beautifully crafted sprites and animation, I just couldn't help but see it as a Street Fighter III knock off with a lot of things the game obviously 'borrowed' or 'inspired' by. In any case, it looks like a lot of fun and I'll have to check it out on the Switch.
Speaking of which, I regularly browse through deals on the Switch's eShop but still don't remember seeing this game. I might have skipped through it because it looks like some unknown indie games? But at least I know the name of the game now, so I can just look it up directly.
I remember learning about Spectral vs Generation when my friend imported it. It really is a fun game and I'm glad more eyes are on it now. I knew it was a crossover because I recognized Wells when I tried playing Generation of Chaos without a manual. Good times.
aka gen 4
IGS also licensed and produced DDP2: Bee Storm. Today it's widely considered the worst DoDonPachi game, it still was such a massive success in the arcades that it convinced Cave to re-enter the arcade market (instead of just licensing their IP) and they went on to produce arcade games for another 10 years.
Unfortunately even in Japan Shmup arcade games are pretty niche these days and they have basically exited gaming.
The PS3/360 generation was also really hard on A & AA developers. Game production costs greatly increased and there was a shift from "gamey" games to more experience games (think Uncharted, Elder Scrolls, etc.). Treasure (Ikaruga, Mischief Makers, Silhouette Mirage) was another developer who basically died out in this era.
First time I saw Martial Masters was at one of the casino`s arcade in Las Vegas in 2000-01. I remember doing a double take on it like, "What in gods name is this beauty?"
Spectral vs Generation mentioned! 🎉🎉🎉
Damn that's some legit sprite work on Martial Masters.
Martial Masters looks very nice, and IGS did a incredible work on it. The sprite animation and character designs is well made, and reminds me a lot like SF3. I like they re release this on modern consoles with online play.
THere's also the gouketsu ichizoku series (otherwise known as Power Instinct), with its third game (aka Groove on Fight) being unavailable on fightcade as of writing. You can emulate it via mame versions before 254 (and also the ST-V bios needed) and every character's super is 222K. it's nuts lol
i have not played the prior games but im sure theyre good (they also have playstation and dreamcast ports iirc)
I've played a small amount of the very first Power Instinct a while back and it's neat! I don't recall if there were any big systems to explore but it was a very serviceable SF2 challenger
The final game, Gouketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzou Kuyou is also not available on fightcade as of right now, but it's also a very well respected entry in the series, from what I have seen.
Glad to see another excellent video, I knew about both games but not the hardware they were built on! Speaking of chinese fighting games, have you ever thought about doing a video on Xuan Dou Zhi Wang? That pc only KOF clone from back in the day?
Glad to see a video about SvG, this is one of my favorite fighting games. I don't care if a game is famous or not, since it is well made I play it. My dream is that someone creates a hack for balancing the game, removing all the infinite combos. My favorite characters are Roze and Hiro.
5:44 not just an universal command grab, one that GIVES *ADVANTAGE!*
Well Kasumi Ninja had a Scotsman who shot fireballs from under his kilt.
That last line is very much correct and it can be used for so many things like movies, TV shows, music, food, etc.
5:44 - I love me some command grabs! Specially when non grapplers have them.
You got my friend to ask me to play Martial Masters with him without me even asking. Thanks!
I remember during lockdowns just browsing on fightcade finding martial masters. It was super fun. My main was Tiger. I dunno if you did already, but could you cover kizuna encounter and asura blade/buster. Those are legit hidden gems.
It is interesting how the affordability of snk arcades is what allowed for kof and other snk games to be more popular in poorer regions around the world. And because of the the strong regions are those same regions. Latam comes to mind.
Jesus, Crane's idle animation must have broken the sprite budget.
Overall standing animations broke the team budget, and that must be why the rest of the animations of the chars revert to a "past generation". Like the standing animation is SF3 tier and the rest of animations are Marvel tier or Darkstalkers tier.
i dont know if you have discussed it or not but it would be so awesome if you'd consider covering Asura Blade and Asura Buster
That would be great!
I feel like maybe an Amiga fighters episode could work too.
if the roster is unbalanced than im sold
I’d love too see you cover Omen of Sorrow. It’s a unreal engine fighting game made by a team out of Chile Called A One games. It’s a horror inspired roster with system mechanics that feel like a mix between VSAV and UNI, but with movement that is not nearly as good as that label implies. Jwong did a video about it when it came out on PS4 and it’s really fun. It was pretty much the only game I played during October because it’s so fun and spooky. Also the soundtrack is genuinely amazing.
I have both of these games. Martial Masters is definitely my favorite of the 2. As soon as it was released on the Switch, I picked it up right away. I didn't care if it was $30, I had to have it. It's my 3rd favorite Fighting Game on the Switch behind KOF XIII & Samurai Shodown.
Thanks for the video, Guile! Much respect, and please come to Brazil.
The fact that I have never heard of any of the games in this video makes me proud to have been one of your first 1000 subs. (At least I think I joined you around 600-990) Great finds! Man I need a computer that can handle Fightcade bad! I'm missing out on too many old school competitions.
Anything can run fightcade as long it's not too old. And too old in broad and flexible terms... not even in gaming pc terms.
@carlosaugusto9821 Well the problem I keep having is it won't accept my fightstick when I try to play on it.
I've never even heard of Martial Masters before now, this looks incredible. Figuring out how to play right away.
It's on fightcade
Oh man, The Killing Blade. I remember watching a gameplay video of that on RUclips years ago and at that time it was uploaded, the emulation of said game had some imperfections -- getting a single hit from the CPU is an instant kill lol.
This company made some great games, my favorito is Martial Masters, specially due to the good controls and the character Saojin, such a hottie!
Ironically IGS is what convinced CAVE of all people to stay in the arcade market since Dodonpachi 2 Bee Storm was a smash hit
talking about overlooked games hope you talk about a ps3 / arcade very unknown fighter one day named Dark awake
a medieval fantasy themed 2d team fighter i almost never see talked about.
I have a video on it already 🫡
@@GuileWinQuote Woah awesome
How about daemon bride?that's another rather unknown title
Maybe not worth a whole video but def worth mentioning if you can one day :)
You ever cover Chaos Breaker? Really interesting fighter and really unknown.
I have a video on it 🫡
@@GuileWinQuoteHowd you get it to run? Mame or ps3? I really wanna at but I don't know how TwT
I played martial masters for the first time 3 months ago on my step father's recommendation
He's got good taste!!
That reminds me of the titles published by Genki(which are all underrated af)
Damn, totally forgot about Spectral vs Generations. I still have my European PSP copy. I should play it
I remember learning about Martial Masters and immediately liking Tiger because he was just some Christian dude fighting, lol. His arcade ending is really sweet too.
Was Spectral vs Generation on the IGS collection as well?
I played the psp one of the last game. That master game you was talking about...yeah it was awesome❤
Did you send these over to Matt McMuscles?
Martial Masters is easily one of the top 5 rappers of all time though
My favorite Martial Masters character didn't get a highlight! Kick! He is a rickshaw driver who is a copeira fighter! What a great combo!
wow didn't know IGS made other fighting games othr then MM
mostly here in east/south east asia IGS is mostly known for their side scrolling shooters, their mahjong series and makers of some of the best side scrolling arcade beat them ups (some even shown here) a genre capcom practically ignore and focus mainly on making console games during the late 90s
I must say, I am *legitimately* shocked to find out that this entire video isn't dedicated to Alien Challenge. Once more, poor Alien Challenge is denied it's own video essay.... smh
Seriously though, awesome to see Martial Masters and Spectral VS Generation get some love. I knew Spectral VS Generation was a crossover, but didn't care to look up what it was _crossing over_ - I knew of obscure srpgs like Growlanser that were not for me, so I didn't need to look into the games further. Learning that they were made by Idea Factory makes me sad that they're not currently doing more the occasional crossover fighter now though. Or Atlus too, for that matter - how long has it been since Persona Arena?
Arika got tired of waiting for them fighting game contracts to come, so they had to self-fund Fighting EX Layer. Eighting is getting back into the swing of things with DNF Duel and an upcoming Hunter x Hunter fighting game, and they too have just been wasted for years. Why aren't these other companies throwing out contracts for more crossover fighters to companies like this? Ugh... Idea Factory could be working on a Neptunia/Death End Re:Quest/Fairy Fencer crossover fighting game with 8ing or Arika _right now_ in another universe and that's so lame that we're not the universe that's going to get it.
Gotta hope for an alien challenge video... or maybe i could make my own O_O
Well Arika and Eighting still are support developers for other projects that weren't fighting games. That didn't change. In Eighting's case, the team that developed Tatsunoko vs Capcom and the Marvel vs Capcom 3 series was disbanded and many of their members were reassigned elsewhere, left the company or left the industry all together like director Go Usuma who is still at Eighting, but worked on Pikmin 4 instead over DNFDuel. Several ex-Eighting staff of those games are now at Capcom working on the Monster Hunter series. Arika has been busy a bunch supporting on Nintendo & Square Enix titles, while I'm sure they'd love to get the next major Fighting EX Layer update out as fast as they could, they need to pay the bills to keep the lights on.
I didn't realize that Alien Challenge had so many shooters... I probably should have just made the whole video about it 😭
Looking at the title, was thinking like there's arcade in China back in the 90's? Then figured out he is talking about Taiwan. Not that it's wrong
8:50 it seen like kind of Melty blood it seems
Fang is from Contra hardcorps on genesis
GWQ, I wonder, I see my pfp and I must ask, have you tried the Umineko fighting game?
1:37 - French ninjas are nightmarish to fight against.
Now I want to see what happens when GuileWinQuote makes a video with Undle Derek from SSFF!
8:40 I gotta manage SOMEHOW!
>a taiwanese arcade company exists.
>creates their own arcade games including their fighting game “alien challenge.”
>makes their own hardware to rival the MVS.
>proceeds to make 3 other fighting games even though they are not like the other.
>refuses to elaborate further.
>leaves.
Fun fact IGS is actually still around! Their more modern games include a f2p reboot of Knights of Valour on ps4, the Hero of Robots arcade game series and the arcade version of Asphalt 9 :3
im new to this channel
been watching some vids and enjoying the knowledge so far
i wanna share you a relatively obscure jank fighting game with a crowded roster
its kamen rider super climax heroes on the wii/psp
a fighting game on the tokusatsu genre
yknow the costumed japaneses superhero kinda stuff like power rangers
its a funny unbalanced game with colorful selection of characters made by 8ing who also made tatsunoko vs capcom and that castlevania fighting game (a character used the whipping animation from this game)
there is also a similar yet different game with only a fraction of the roster called kamen rider dragon knight which can add to the discussion material
we have a very small community for both of the games above
i would like to see a coverage on that game and bring more exposure to it
oh and also i kinda wanna see a video for quantity over quality fighting games
always fun to see fighting games with a large roster
Martial Masters is the Jam!
Wong Fei Hung🤙🏾
Talk some Fight Fever brother🕶️👌
So who's more dedicated to SNK/KoF, China, or LatAm?
Le sabes, que videos más gooooooods
Martial Masters looks SO GOOD.
1:22 why did she EXPLODE?!
Those were some cool looking gems
i can tell the problem of those games : at the end of the video i forgot the name of everyone of them.
Martial master look super fun tho, gonna remember the name until i dl it i hope...
Did spectral Vs generation get a PS2 port as it looked familiar
Pls try out Kinnikuman Muscle Grand Prix 2, I wanna see your opinions about it, also Fate/Unlimited Codes
I played a bit of Kinnikuman at Combo Breaker, very interesting game!
Bruh thanks for the history lesson I played martial masters and thought Capcom made it was that good 😂
I’m just waiting for China to bring back Xuan Dou Zhi Wang
It must feel weird seeing titles you worked on two decades ago suddenly develop dedicated communities in foreign countries. I wonder how many of the original staff even know about this?
Christian man is clearly a take from disney's beauty beast, hence the wolverine super
I want to know...
Is Martial CHAMPIONS from the same creators?
That's an older game made by Konami.
@@elneco4654 OH
Considering how little I saw of it, I wasn't sure.
Wow, someone else that has an opinion about a fighting game that is an actually good fighting game.
Alien Challenge had a sayian in it. It’s already a triple A masterpiece
Played a lot of Spectral Force/Tower in the PS1 days and Generation of Chaos in the early PS2 days, so VS Generation was a lovely surprise for me. It isn't the best of fighters, but it was fun.
YO! I was not expecting to play Martial Masters and then at the end you bring up the collection?! I went and downloaded that immediately. Thank you! 🙏🫡
I love how Tiger is a christian dude that converts people through fighting lmao
while also being a fusion between Terry and Ken
Whitest man in fighting game history
Stevareno and Dougster are INCREDIBLE white people in a fighting game names. George Jensent WISHES he could be them
Bobson Dugnutt vibes
Are they better names than Jedi Ryan?
Goldlewis Dickinson comes close but still misses the bar
I thought Stevareno was a gold person
"Yo, 'bout to hit the bar with the Dougster and Steverino. Yeah, gonna get plastered!"
Play every fighting game you find. There just could be an experience waiting for you.
On the topic of overlooked god-tier fighters, I would LOVE to see some coverage of the Power Instinct/Gōketsuji series,
Most people only seem to really know about Groove on Fight (which ironically has nothing to do with the entire rest of the series) but the whole series is deserving of some serious praise IMO.
All of them are playable through either MAME or Teknoparrot, so they're absolutely worth a try for any fan of the genre.'
Legends is probably my personal favorite, but Matrimelee is also sick, even if all of the characters from the old games look totally different.
It will definitely happen. I'm not sure if I want to look over the whole series, or just PI6 & GoF....but it will happen!
@@GuileWinQuote You should :)
I feel that the most popular one is Matrimelee though. Because of it's higher quality and it being a NeoGeo game unlike every other PI title. GOF might be more talked about specifically in context of obscure and underrated games, but it's an exclusive Saturn fg, it just can't compete with the popularity level of the rest.
@@GuileWinQuote At least a brief overview would be interesting if you decide to cover those later PI games, because giving the proper context of the franchise would be nice imo. From my experience most fg fans (who don't know much beyond the mainstream, no matter if they are old schoolers) tend to talk like Matrimelee is a standalone game and not just one release from a franchise almost as old as Mortal Kombat, bacause of much Matrimelee stands out in the whole franchise. Oh and the fact it's not numbered in the title name and it's the only NeoGeo title, making it very accessible, must be a big help.
I love Power Instinct, underrated series, I hope it comes back sometime. Keith, Saizo, Reiji, Chinnen, the old ladys, and shintaro were my favorites
I remember finding a tas of Martial Masters when I didn't know what it was, and thinking "what is this SF3 animation madness doing in this unknown game". And I didn't even know what was Spectral Vs Generation before your video, nor the history behind the PGM system. Thank you for your incredible videos, these small parts of video game history are always interesting to learn about.
I love that your vids are in 4:3, idk how often people mention that but it gives me nothing but good vibes for some reason
I'm probably like one of the three people who played Spectral vs Generation on PS2 in Europe. Seeing it show up here was like a time machine throwing me 15 years into the past, and I had NO idea it was part of this weird SNK-killer lore. As always, thank you for your fun and positive fighting game content, and have a good 2024!
Shit, a local game center has Spectral VS Generation on its PS2. I gotta try it sometime.
Had on PSP back in 08
I owned it on my psp too
I swear spectral vs generation had the toughest boss battle for me. The final boss was like a bullet hell and I couldn’t believe I actually beat it
It’s insane how igs started out making simple if fun games, to legitimately excellent stuff. Dondonpachi 2 is probably my favorite entry in the series and the matti and martial master is so good. Really wonder what was going on behind the scenes
based ddp2 enjoyer
Don't tell the shmupheads 😅
@@GuileWinQuote nah bruh LET THEM SHMUPHEADS KNOW
@@GuileWinQuote jokes on them . I am one
Really appreciate the mention of Alien Challenge, it's a super lovable game i've been playing for a while now, even if it's a short mention it's a good one.
The pixel art is so bad but I love it XD
Once again thanks for talking about this cool stuff GWQ.
I just want to add that Spectral vs. Generation had in fact a pretty decent competitive scene in Japan in mid 2000s, because one of the reasons why I got interested in the game were the videos of the tournaments in Tokyo Ranking Fighters (TRF), a legendary game center in Nakano Broadway that still exist. At that time PGM emulation was shitty so I played a crapton of the PS2 version with some friends. Finally one of my friends got a PGM with an original taiwanese SVG cartridge but, for some reason, the taiwanese and the japanese version of the game are pretty different, with combos that you can't do on the taiwanese version. I guess IGS wanted to fix some things when they released the game on Japan so... just in case.
PGM is a weird piece of arcade history because IGS truly wanted to go head to head against SNK with the cheapest PCB board ever made at that time yet it was close to impossible to find a PGM game here in latin america. PGM is one of those machines that are alive and has a community online almost exclusively thanks to emulation, so bless the MAME team because I clearly remember how hard was to emulate the machine, in fact PGM still has some emulation issues with timing and some small glitches.
Also, on a fun note, IGS is still making arcade games but they are mostly into games for kids, like real small kids. They also still have a good relationship with SNK, as they added some KOF characters on one of their mobile games last month.
I didnt expect Spectral Vs Generation is popular in some country,loved to played it especially once the song is playing
I had no idea that Martial Masters had such humble beginnings. I guess it makes sense that a CPS3-grade fighter doesn't just materialise out of thin air.
I fucking love Martial Masters and SVG. Every session on Figthcade- it was tradition to go from MM to SVG. Great Video! Also from what I know, Martial Masters was actually created by a Korean team for IGS ; don't know if that's the same for SVG though.
Dougster! Stevareno! MAKIN COPIES!!
I played a bunch of Spectral vs. Generation on my PSP.
My friend group in middle/high school had a lot of fun playing SFA3 with all the customised characters, Darkstalkers, Guilty Gear, and Spectral.
Good times.
scorpion is my favorite character from martial masters thanks to the awesome obscure movie operation scorpio.
Dong Dong Never Die when