Tesla powered Volkswagen Golf GTI gets put through its paces. Is it still a GTI? It's up for debate
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- PPC's Will Holman gets behind the wheel of Andy's electric converted Mk2 Golf GTI. Whilst at first glance it looks very standard, underneath it's anything but. Has he ruined a perfectly good classic hot hatch? That's a matter of opinion.
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This kind of thing is what I loved PPC Mag for. A radial engine in a Mini, Audi 5 pot in a 944, rear mount turbo on a 205... They all have the same appeal as this does to me. Someone following their own path with a build is what it was all about IMO. Glad to see the videos are in the same vein.
Appreciate the comment, Robin. Thank you 👍
This is brilliant. It is NOT 'destroying' a classic. It can be put back to petrol. Banger racing, destruction derbys etc are the ones that destroy cars.
I used to be a big viewer of Fully Charged. When it first started they'd have odd and interesting electric vehicles made in sheds or at universities. Now it's become a new car magazine type show and I really miss watching people doing home conversions so this video is 10/10 from me. I'm slowly building an electric 3 wheeler and one day will convert my kit car to electric.
Steam, petrol, diesel, electric, compressed air, hydrogen, methane, LPG... they're all good.
Appreciate you taking the time to write this. Absolutely - we're petrolheads through and through here but always open to exploring what's out there in other forms 🙂
Wether you like EV's or not there's some proper thought and engineering gone into this Lockdown project. I'm always impressed with backyard builds
Love the ingenuity and imagination used to create this. Hats off to the chaps responsible 👏🏼 By the sounds of it they saved a MK2 Golf that was going no where but the scrap heap as well, so more brownie points for that 👏🏼 Sounds crazy but if I ever have the money I'd love to convert my Berlingo van to EV. Lots of sensible reasons why I'd like to do it, but I also rather like the idea of having a "one off" Berlingo/EV sleeper 😆
Great job. I hope affordable plug and play diy kits become more common in the future.
Great effort. Some silly bastards in the comments whining about their petrol god being offended. There’s certainly no soul in an EV and lithium is a questionable solution to the problem presented by the current narrative, but they engineered this themselves with sympathy for the Golf as a lockdown project.
Great episode this. Im bunging the same electric motor into a '69 Karmann Ghia and expect similar performance and range. It was a rusty horror, rhd conversion, etc, so not one for the purists anyway. Well done PPC!
Sounds like a fun one! Best of luck with it 😎
Another great video Guys, thats why I like Practical Performance Car, we build cars to suit us like Sleeper Panda's, LS Lowered Jags to Electric Golf's. I like the idea of converting a retro to EV and just keeping the car as stock as it can be.
Cool! Not exactly the first ev converted car, but it's built at home and they did think about weight distribution and the cars original feel, and that I thought was the most interesting part. Really hope there's some future for EV's with some PPC-thrill/character 🙂
These DIY EV conversions are getting very popular now , some may say that this conversion didn't go far enough by not using the Tesla drivetrain but it was build to the needs of the owner. The potential money recouped by selling off the unused tesla motors and batteries would pay for the conversion and restoration of the Golf . There are plenty of others with massive EV knowledge or deep pockets who have used the Tesla drivetrain in conversions but end up spending lots of money on fabrication and driveshafts . Most people don't comprehend the torque from an electric motor and an entry level conversion using a Leaf motor would destroy a standard gearbox or driveshaft like it was crumbling a digestive 🤔. There is growing aftermarket support for these conversions but it can be expensive, mind you a rebuild on a modern diesel would make your eyes water too .
Nice bit of variety. If it's homemade it deserves to be here!
Nice build. I could be converted back. A good project doing something together as a family. The results are not more important than the process. Getting this result - You've deserved the braggin' rights. Restomods are great for preserving older cars that otherwise wouldn't be on the road. Cars are meant to be driven. I know some collectors hardly any of their vehicles are strictly speaking in an original state. Some parts are made of unobtainium why some parts are replaced and stored for the future. A lot earns a little on the side with their vehicles being hired for all sorts of advertising - weddings only the imagination being the limit. It helps preserving their cars - most people I know are enthusiastic people with a lot less money than love for cars. In a lot of cases eventually ending up in restoring the car(s) of their dreams. They tend to have a secret project hidden somewhere. It often takes decades to materialize in reality. I don't envy people knowing the dedication, love, time AND money it took. I've restored scooters and mopeds and an road legal offroader - because you get this strange disease without a cure... And might end up building something that's probably not good for your wallet, health or license... But it certainly tests your marriage... You get a cease fire working both ways... Don't ask for the price and just accept it was necessary. Due to back problems - I just enjoy the works of others. I might have chosen differently - but you've got to respect it's not just a vehicle. It's their choice and dream. It doesn't have to be perfect or costing a fortune... You might not have quite the skills, nor money and tools to make it perfect. At times it's quite impressive what people have made out of close to nothing.
This vehicle is proof of getting something unique - passion and learning along the way (at times the hard way) gets you a long way. I only them envy one thing. They've most likely have learned skills surpassing a lot of mine. You've definitely got my respect in every meaning of the word.
Spectacular, thankyou - the abilities of some home builders always amazes me .....
I've made the time to watch it all the way through now, and I have to thank you Will, for having the openness of mind to film this, with well-considered questions, and a thorough appraisal of some excellent carbuilding skills. I'm as impressed with you and the PPC team as I am with ALL the incredible project cars you brint to us. Thankyou.
Please record the audio with higher volume, especially outside. Thank you.
Love it! Would have preferred to see it with the Tesla motor as well though, but i guess that would be a lot more work
What an amazing piece of engineering!
Bloody great isn't it! 😁
Awesome. Thinking of doing something similar to an IRS / MacPherson strut 1302S Beetle. They can handle quite well easily and cheaply.
Great video. You have a new subscriber.
Welcome!
Like the owner, I’m a mechanical engineer, and I thought it was brilliant. Perfect choice of car to experiment on and a really considered approach. I’m half tempted to give it a go…
“Why does the brake pedal go to the floor?” 😂😂
You need to include the next part where the owner patiently says 'That's the accelerator pedal" 😂
Probably the best example you could have used, glad you didn’t do this to an immaculate GTI. Interesting that you didn’t go for more batteries to extend the range and offer more performance.
Not for me but a very well thought out execution of this conversion.
Not my kind of thing but impressed that it works so well and is nicely engineered.
I wonder if DVLA still has it recorded as 1781cc.....
Golf GTI mk2 steering was a pig at low speed. Hope they sorted that😊Mine was an F reg.
The car had power steering to start, which we decided to keep. After much effort, we fitted an electric pump for the hydraulic fluid to retain the original powered rack system. It works well....
What about the brakes.....The GTI would have a brake servo assistance?
You're right about the brakes needing vacuum for the servo. Diesels often have a similar problem, and so vacuum pumps, accumulators and solenoid valves are widely available. We used parts from a Range Rover because we like reliability!!
Not for me
, but each to their own I guess,
EVs are not our usual thing. We're more into internal combustion 😁 But it was an interesting project to discover and share with everyone so why not eh!
@@ppcmagazine The large model S motor will fit in the Golf 3 which is based on the golf 2 so should fit in there too.. There is a hill climb golf 4 or 5 with the large Tesla drive unit in it in Europe....
Cool project 👍
I did sit and watch the entire episode EVs are of no interest to myself but good on them for having a go would just prefer a petrol engine in it 👍
Still registered as a petrol and really should be the subject of a BIVA - The sort of vehicle conversion that will eventually create issues for our hobby. Do it right or hide it from sight.
Tedious.
If the shell hasn't been significantly modified and it's all bolted in, then it can keep it's original registration and doesn't need BIVA, just needs it changing from petrol
This doesn't need to be subject to BIVA.
People like the OP are the real reason people don't want to bother.
So people should hide it or you'll tell on them?
Quality. Love an interesting build.
Not my thing converting classics into ev’s , a golf isn’t too bad, but classic 911’s E types Etc is sacrilege 🤦🏻♂️ and once the novelty of acceleration has worn off what are you left with 🤷🏻♂️
Converting to E might be the only way to keep classics usable/affordable beyond 10+ years if petrol or its replacement is only available in low volume.Also surely fully utilising that 5 speed gearbox would improve the range?
fascinating.
Interesting confirmation.... The Tesla is "well made" and the Golf is the same weight.... So all the EV haters who keep saying Tesla is rubbish and EVs are heavy. They are indeed talking nonsense.
So he's used less than half the Tesla, it takes between 1/4 to nearly half a day to refuel compared to 10 mins & has a 1/3 of the range on a good day ( I presume one up) & that's progress! Na I stick to LPG or get a hydrogen one.
Oh & road tax isn't free anymore nor is congestion charge.
@craigwalker4211 Blah blah blah.... I have daft mates at work like you.... think they know everything and don't have a single clue where the latest technology is.... Sad really. Million mile warranties and 300 miles charge in 10 minutes. But no problem, enjoy your cars.... whatever you drive. It's a free world.
Thanks for your unbiased reply I work with people like you too.
What is this fantastic car car that has a full charge in 10 mins with a 300 mile range?
I know someone who's been working for 10years in electric vehicle development who could teach you a thing or two about them & there limitations ,but obviously your vast knowledge on this subject is far superior like your attitude .
Keep enjoying your priuis
Will ask the builder what's the range & how long does it take to charge,
His reply 130 miles I built it to get to my brother's 116 miles away to full recharge depending on method between 5 to 10 hours.
A petrol version would take approx 10 mins to fully fill the tank with a range of circa 300 miles.
@craigwalker4211 I agree that a diesel we have takes 20 to 30mins to drive and fill up and does 500 miles. It does of course cost £70 to fill. The wife's EV fills up while we are in bed sleeping, but most importantly it costs £4 and she drives it all week for that £4. There are advantages to both vehicles. It important to know what you need. This guy needs to bomb about and sometimes drive to his brother. Similar for most people with a motorbike. He built it for his needs. The original Tesla would be quite different.
150volts that'll take you 3miles on a good Day 😊
Amazing engineering to make it all work but something inherently wrong with doing that to a Golf GTI, sorry. The engine noise and gearbox are two of the parts that make the Golf GTi such a great drivers car. This is a bit too much like a milkfloat from back in the day!
Thank god he only did it to a 5 door 🤣😂
What a shame... Put the engine back in.
Not for me this, I am triggered by ev conversions....
Not our thing generally either 😁 Petrolheads through and through but we wanted to see what this was all about. Back to regular programming shortly!
@@ppcmagazine Back in May 1990, Mercedes revealed a fully electric 190 E at the Hanover Fair.
The Geneva show car featured two DC permanent magnet motors, one for each rear wheel, with a combined peak power output of 44 HP. The Mercedes 190 E Electro used a sodium-nickel chloride battery and a regenerative braking system to help charge the pack during driving.
@@ppcmagazine Volkswagen actually built its first electric hatchback way back in 1976,
Mk1 Golf landed, and within two years of its introduction VW engineers had turned a few they had laying around into rudimentary EVs. Eventually in 1981 it launched the CityStromer (‘strom’ is German for electricity) - an all-electric Mk1 Golf built in collaboration with German utility company RWE. Second- and third-generation CityStromers landed in 1985 and 1993 respectively.
Volkswagen has been doing electric cars since the early Seventies. Its first was a T2 Transporter with a whopping 850kg lead-acid battery pack, between 30 and 50 miles of range and a 22bhp motor for 0-30mph (its top speed was only 46mph…) in a dizzying 12 seconds.
But it a milk float
Common will this is real life not scalextric let's stick to real cars.
No hand throttles or grooves in the road here.
*Just NO*
Yesssss.
No way pedro
No
It's definitely an acquired taste. Next week we'll be back to regular, petrol powered internal combustion service 🤣
Yes.
Destroying classics is NOT my thing. Unsubbed
And they say nurses have it tough
What a fanny 😅 I don’t like EVs but imagine unsubbing for this
Not an ev man myself but same weight same power but no road tax
Lol, wasn't actually ' destroyed ', now was it. Snowing I reckon.😂
Did you even watch it? The Golf was trash. It’s not a classic.