Canon XC-10 XC-15 the mini cinema camera
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The Canon XC-10 XC-15 looks cool. But how good is it? Is it really a cinema camera? How does it compare with a Canon C100 ii. It looks like a bridge camera, so how does it compare with other 1" sensor bridge cameras like the Sony RX10iv or Lumix ZS2500 or camcorders like Sony AX700, Z90V or AX100 or Canon Vixia G60 and G70 or other 1" sensor cameras like the Sony RX100vii or Lumix LX10 or even a Samsung NX mini? This camera review video hopefully will clear up some of those questions. Is it good for vlogging? Is it cinematic? Does it shoot 4K? How easy is it to use? Find out all this and more in this camera review video that will hopefully tickle your photography hobby interests.
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I had to use those awful Canon XC-10 cameras while working in a television studio years ago, and I wanted to throw them all through a window by the time I was done with them. Focus was terrible and ruined so many different news stories. This video brought back a seething rage I hadn't felt in a while. 😂
You do not need autofocus in a TV studio, it's a controlled environment, I would only use autofocus filming sports, weddings, documentaries, animal videos, in an uncontrolled environment. 😉
Autofocus for sports? Good luck on that. And for weddings does not pay the risk.
Sounds like a you problem and the tards buying these for TV.
@@cineffect
Where did he say he used autofocus in a studio? Also why are you so defensive? Did Canon slip a few dollars in your pocket and now you are their door guard? LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
5:28 Canon ‘Cripple-Hammer’ reference. Somebody should start a channel about these camera conspiracies.😊
Canon EOS R8, why does it have that tiny battery? Canon EOS R10, why is there a a crop at 4k60 and softer image???
Thanks for the review! I’m the guy to asked for it in the comments of your 1” sensor review video. Quick response! Impressive!
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Thanks for the request! So happy Markus is doing a giveaway for this one (selfishly) 🙃
My friend sold his XC15 but I got to see a lot of footage and use it myself. Strange camera - lots of potential, but a just weird camera overall. I agree with my friend - if they set this up for interchangeable lenses it would have been a good value. You are right - autofocus sucks and manual focus is not very responsive. It's a camera you want to like, but you just can't. Your comments of Canon are so right on - maybe I've been foolishly loyal but I really like the IQ overall, but Canon always throws you a partial bone on features and specs- never complete. Thanks for giving a nod to my beloved C100. You're always very practical and pragmatic in your reviews Markus!!
I had both the XC10 and the XC15, and like you, I really wanted to like them, but found myself unable to do so. I found myself confronted by several major problems. Namely, the MXF wrapper that can't be readily imported into most NLE software packages without special software, the need for expensive CFast cards and a special reader and last, but not least, the limited range of focal lengths.
I also found images produced by the camera were fairly soft and even in 4K, not that much better than what an average consumer camcorder could produce.
For me, the major attraction of the camera was the viewfinder loupe, which would provide access to a huge and bright viewfinder. But this made the camera clunky to operate, and in my case, the mechanism that allowed the LCD display to articulate was loose and couldn't be fixed, so it tended to not stay in place when needed and flop around a lot.
Also, the fastest way to change f-stop, ISO and SS is touch screen on this camera and yiou can't do that with the loupe attached. Another genius move by Canon 😜
@@MarkusPix My relationship with Canon has been a long mix of love/hate!
Markus, you are simply the best. You may not be right in absolutely every sentence you say, but it is so much pleasure to watch and listen to you, it simply doesn’t matter. Bright, mature, happy guy, honest, trustworthy and inspirational. Ive heard your life story and Im stunned and amazed. Whatever you touch turns into gold. So do whatever you want but keep us informed here on youtube. Best of luck for both of you, cheers!
That is a sharp looking outfit Mr. Markus
True ! Was locking here if I am the only notice that. 🤣
Very nice!
That spinning lens/grip reminds me of those strange old Sony point and shoots.
I still have one of those hi8 "Handycams"...lol. Back in 1990's I thought I was riding high on the chow line with that in my camera bag. I still play with it all the time.
I’ve always seen these as a film school student camera. Glad you reviewed it.
I used to use one of these several years ago. It wasn't a bad little camera. The thing I hated about it (and most 4k cameras if you shoot uncompressed) was the file size. It was stupidly huge. I still to this day prefer the file quality and size of the Canon C100MkII. It's a shame that it's a bit bulky to deal with. But for the line of work that I do, I love it. I need to get a couple of more models as a backup just in case. But this little mini camera isn't too bad. I used to use this camera when I would need to do green screen work and the subject wasn't moving much. It was a good deal for me at the time with the work I was doing. But, yeah, all of your issues you brought up are definitely valid. It's a cool camera and I kinda wish I still had it..just for keeps :)
I've got a mint c100mkii 220hrs ready for a new home?
What kind of work do you do with it? I've got a c100 mk2 just chilling as well.
I am still using my XC15 and it gets the job done! It’s also a good still camera when needed. It has an xlr audio adapter, good auto focus, and the ability to use CF and SD cards. I can also use it on a gimbal.
@@sp3cialed1Let me sell mine first! HAHA jk
IIRC, 2015 was right at the height of TV stations switching video production to individual field run-and-gun reporters without photographers or audio people. Stations didn't want to compromise on quality and were aware of the advantages of 4k resolution allowing reframing for poorly composed shots. This camera was probably aimed directly at these stations, it's the old "nobody gets fired for buying IBM" syndrome.
I'm replying to this on my macbook but fondly looking across the room at the shelf where my old IBM thinkpad laptop rests that is still rocking the original win98, lol. I'll say this...Solitaire just feels so right when played on windows 98. haha ;)
We have been using the XC10 since it was released. It has paid for itself many times over and still produces great UHD images. Great ergonomics. Slow autofocus, but that hasn’t been an issue the way we use it. The variable f-stop isn’t great.
Whoa, you use the picture functionality? I can not get it to produce clean still shots AT ALL. I've given up thinking there's like a hidden color temp or profile somewhere. The default settings make it look like it's shot in a volcano or something
@@tommyflavio video only. Photos not good.
I have this camera and it was tough getting it to work well for me but eventually I was able to use it as a good streaming camera when everything shutdown a few years ago. It never overheated when I streamed outdoor weddings which was a plus since all of my other cameras wouldn’t make it in the florida heat. I still use mine today as a C camera for a church livestream.
Florida heat is killer man.
@@djsusan00 that and the beach sand! My poor lenses and sensors on my DSLRs. Now I try to keep my beach gigs to camcorders that have closed enclosures and heat resistance. Markus actually mentioned this in one of his previous videos about how a camcorder was basically an enclosed zoom lens.
@@likoetsvpI seen that one too! I don't go out to the beach often but I like to go to nature trails and get video of the animals I see. There's a lot of critters here!
100%! I use mine for streaming in manual focus with a known focal point. I would love to win the giveaway for this since i'd love to set up a streaming set up, but I would never save up enough to buy another one of these on purpose again.
Do you go from the camera hdmi port right into a computer when you stream?
Good that you covered this camera Markus. I was waiting for you to do this.
Peace!
If Markus is complaining about image sharpness then you KNOW the image isn't sharp enough. Honestly it's reminding me of my t3i and t4i in terms of image quality. Definitely a nice image but I got my t3i on craigslist a few years ago for $250 and it came with both kit lenses and a bag. I could run a two camera shoot with a few extra lenses for the price of just the XC-10, and if you put some nice glass on those camera bodies you can get some incredible looking footage.
In my opinion, the benefits of 1080 still outweigh 4k simply in terms of file size. Shooting these large formats requires you to have fast drives in your computer, and a faster internet connection when you want to share the video with a client or publish it on youtube. Even if you shoot in 4k, downscaling to 1440 or 1080 for your final output will give you a better image, and the file size will literally be less than half. Less bandwidth > More pixels
The Canon t3i is a great camera. The one thing that it lacks is the ability to shoot for hours at a time without stopping and imo it has terrible stabilization and autofocus but it’s still capable of some really great film.
Very helpful actually. Was about to buy one for the versatility but this changed my mind. Thanks for saving me the money.
Thank you! Your channel is all the research I need to make my camera purchase decisions.
tHanks.....good fun as always. Your opinions are good enough to fill the pages of a book.
Signed Canon G7 Mk II for nearly everything.
I had Canon XC-15, your comments are right on. I found the lens that Canon used on this model is a sub-par standard lens. Still try to figure it out why Canon came out with this product to achieve what purposes? It was not cheap when it first came out but... Must be the Canon marketing dept made a bad decision.
Another informative and hugely entertaining review. I love your presentation style and your no nonsense approach.
The RX100s are awesome. Look great on RUclips
Love your videos man
I've been a Canon man since I got my T3i in 2012. I didn't even know these small Canon cinema cameras existed. I bought my 5D mark III in 2015 though. But my go to run and gun camera is my Canon R7. It has alot of features and face auto focus is very good. I that where ever I go. I also use my 90D on a tripod to film events and the R7 I use hand held for stills and some slow motion video
TY. I like the RX10iv a lot.
I’ve been intrigued by these cameras for years. A filmmaking channel I watched a couple years ago called Ingaf had this camera on his list of cameras that he would take during the lockdown. And with it being older, I know it has older technology, but it just always seems like something fun to shoot with, and the body style just looks awesome!
Then again, now I shoot with Sony, and I just feel like it’s nostalgic to look back at older Canons.
Thank you for this. I have for so many years wanted to get my hands on this for live stream, but this has given me the closure I needed. No longer looking at it when I go shopping. Thanks,
It’s not a fair review.
@@matthewsheppard7050 Tell me more
Thank you for your honest reviews. Greatly appreciated.
The XC-10 was used in Shin Godzilla as a B camera to the Alexa.
I had been using Canon cameras since 2008 and when this one came out, I was interested in it, at first anyway. At the time I wanted a camera with good video quality. I was using a Canon HF G30 camcorder and I liked that camcorders ergonomics, useability and long zoom range, but I never liked it's soft video quality, especially at wide angles, so I wanted a camera that could give me better video quality. This camera wasn't it.
I didn't like the soft footage it has as well as the auto focus not being good. I also needed a longer zoom range than this has and a flip out screen so I could see myself when I wanted to talk in front of the camera, although I had an Atomos Ninja 2 and could have used it if the video quality and focus were good.
I ended up getting a Panasonic GH4 instead, and while it doesn't have good auto focus, I liked its video quality a lot more and that I could change lenses and take both videos and photos with it. I haven't looked back since and still use Panasonic cameras today.
I love Panasonic too 👍
100% cool looking but all downhill from there. I like Canon but they always seem to lack in all other aspects, shame on them 🤠
That opening line is the best summary of this camera! I love it ! 😄😅
I have a question on youtube resolutions.... do you do this or does this explanation make sense since your videos are in 4k ... someone explain why they don't do 4k youtube videos and only 1080.... They said "We record in 4K but output in 1080 because this allows us to zoom and crop. To output in 4K, we would need to record in 8k (or 6k) which then slows the editing process down. Maybe in the future we can increase the resolution." are they right ?
Yeah thats what a lot of people do- shoot bigger than the final resolution so they can crop in if they want
This camera needs an updated version ❤🔥🔥
Thanks for the review on a camera I’ve always thought looked fun.
Markus "Tell It Like It Is" Pix!
I remember when these little cameras came out, I always wanted to see if Magic Lantern could be run on them. I do think it is a fun camera to experiment with without too much hassle ( quick and dirty framing with built in lens selection/nd filters). Nice all in one teaching camera to learn about the basics of cinematography. I had actually forgot about them but now I'm thinking it would be an okay first year student rig to teach with. They seem like they could take a beating being carried in a gear bag as well, pretty well built if I remember correctly when I messed around with one at B&H years ago.
I needed this back in 2008
Hey Markus can you post up the making of the airplane set you made soon? And more set making videos in general? Definitely learned a lot from them. Love your work!
Since you like small cameras you should try Canon EOS M with Magic Lantern 🦾
I'm on the hunt for the Panasonic VX981 because of you Markus! I think I'm going to love getting a camcorder. :-)
Maybe the 991. I kinda wanna play with the picture in picture thingy also. LOL
Same thing, thats the euro version
The 991 has the little second camera on the flippy-screen. Other than that, I think its the same. @@MarkusPix
Nice - A buddy use around 4 of them for his work (music video/live event filming) and he love this.
Thanks Markus for the review!
I have a point and shoot Canon, the focus is hard. I barely used it. Your sony pocket camera is sharp.
I am very happy with this camera. It depends on what tasks you are using the camera for. 7 years ago, it was advertised as a video camera for journalists, I think it is. For my RUclips channel and for home video, this camera is very convenient and has excellent characteristics. In this video, they did not report a very important characteristic - video color subsampling, this camera has 4:2:2. It is quite convenient to adjust the aperture, shutter speed and other parameters, the author of the video did not figure out the settings, there is a good video on RUclips on this topic, look and find it. The work of focusing suits me. The author says that the camera is heavy. What does it compare with? Other cameras that have similar characteristics weigh the same, but are larger in size. The truth is that with the same capabilities, this camera is very compact, it gives many advantages, for example, I was able to use a smaller steadicam, but it costs less. The author does not like that there are few ND filters, but for the 600-700 dollars that this camera costs now, you HAVE an ND filter! Considering the price of the camera today, this is an excellent camera, one of the best for an experienced amateur.
Glad you like it. Everybody has their own taste. Now as for all the other owners of this camera commenting here, there seems to be a difference of opinion 😄😅
Im happy to have sold my canon camera and now own 4 sony cameras and wont be going back. I love Sony! Id rather have more sharpness and have the option in post to soften vs having a soft image and cant add more detail and sharpness without it looking weird.
That's one thing about most Sony cameras- is they are sharp
Everyone at my film school hates using these. But I mainly blame it on everyone's refusal to get cfast cards.
But can't go wrong with 4:2:2 subsampling in the avc mode, unlike the c100 mkii which does 4:2:0 subsampling.
I had to sell everything camera I had,,bad times,, but I still like watching!!! I guess its something for everyone..😂
I always liked these cameras. I rented the XC-10 once for a gig and always wished they’d update it and lower the price.
I remember when they first came out. they were the cheapest 4k canon at the time but still nowhere as cheap as the gh5 at the time.
Cool concept! That grip looks like it could be handy.
Lots of information on this I never knew. I'm still hanging onto all my Canon 35mm camera and lenses. Once I got my first one, it snowballed from there. Lots of lenses that interchange with several different bodies. Would love to try this out at this years car events. I always lean from your channel Markus, thanks.
Dale
This guy would be an amazing teacher and or college professor.
I would feel so old. I'd rather be surfing with the babes
Thanks for your final word about using a phone for a video to blog development of a project that I'm involved in.
The XC10 footage looks a bit less like over-sharpened video and more like film. But I do agree on the C100, which I prefer over the XC10. Also, you can use the joystick if you take some with it.
When I was shopping for a compact Cine camera I almost bought one, Then I saw the A6300 gave me almost all the feature these had and a few more.
I Looooove my 6300!!!
Hey Markus. Thanks for making the video. I have used 2 of the xc15 along side other C line of canon cameras. I got these on day of release and still use them. Alot of your points are correct, but I can honestly say these are some of my favourite cameras and can match great with others. Create a custom picture profile with production cam, - 3 sharpening, - 1 saturation. It's a great look straight out the camera. TV mode is your friend also...
-3 sharpening on an already unsharp camera? 😄
@@MarkusPix yeah the profile itself has sharpening added baked in, so turning it slightly down helps. It has a real super16 look to it.
@MarkusPix Giving this video a rewatch, and after having tried the XC10, I agree it's not that sharp. The XC15 is definitely sharper than the xc15. You should try one
I am planing to buy it thanks for all the infos
That's cool camera i wish i had one
I agree it looks cool.
I kept waiting for the Canon Cripple Hammer to come out!
I still find it amazing how great your videos look with a pocket camera, when all these other RUclipsrs act like you need a RED camera to shoot RUclips content. Anyway I enjoy all your content. I might have to get me a LUMIX LX10! The RX100vii is a little expensive for me.
Those others have self worth issues. They are basically saying "look, I have a RED camera and you don't, so I'm better than you because I am a real filmmaker and you're not nyah nyah." It's hilarious. Yeah what Hollywood movie did they make? 😂😅😄
Big fan of the vest - very dapper sir
Love the
Comparisons
I'll tell you why they always just miss in one area. We are their beta test for everything. And if they made the "check all the boxes" camera, they wouldn't have a market to go to. They'd already be there and can't make any more money. This is why I refuse to be an early adopter of any camera line's first entry. Thanks for taking one for the team.
You da' man. Thanks for the deep dive clarification.
they look like a mix of a bridge camera and a hybrid camera
Seems like some of these old designs could be revamped into some awesome budget friendly cinema style cameras.
I never understood who these cameras were for. If they had interchangeable lenses, they could at least be somewhat “pocketable” (like Blackmagic’s original vision for a “pocket cinema camera,” before they started looking like an oxymoron).
nice u mentioned it
Its a Canon, they took a sledgehammer to it and picked up whatever remained and said, "We gonna fix this and whatever works at the end of the day is whats gonna ship"
Turns out, not a lot worked afterwards, oh well, Panasonic on the other hand, stuff their cameras with so much features its mind boggling, their digicams from early 2000s have video recording, I think they are one of the first digicam manufacturers that let you record 480, yeah I know but for 2003 thats IMPRESSIVE, in a digicam with a flip outscreen!
I use the xc10. I use it for weddings and live news broadcasts. i love it for what it is.
rly? What about IQ? Is that bad?
IQ?
Image quality...
@@simonvannarath I love the image quality. The problem Marcus is having with the auto focus is fixed by pressing the af button on the side. In non 4k mode you can just touch the screen for Af. I’ve never had an issue with the nd filter either. I shoot a lot of weddings with this guy and love it. It’s not that heavy either.
Had one... I actually think it was a prototype to the Canon C70 which is closer to the form factor. Most of the points I agree with but I would add it's poor at low light too.
I actually love the XC10! I use them for my little studio and it works great since I have a ton of light, I have a bunch of those silly expensive CFast 2.0 cards from friends that were throwing them out, and I set it in MF. Sure, they're old and not that capable, but I have a quad capture card for multiple video streams for live streaming, and they are great on these table-edge stands. As silly as this sounds based on your review, 🤞I REALLY hope I win this giveaway! I hope people are deterred from registering 🙃.
It is a nice camera with several quirks, but the color reproduction is excellent. 4K bitrate is 305Mb/s to a CFast 2.0 card. You can only record 2K on a SD card at 50Mb/s. It is sharper outside in daylight.
What cam with still/video would you recommend for shooting my grandson’s sporting events. I should say best for a reasonable price if possible. Thanks
Good morning sir so nice camera sir
saved my butt markus thank you!!
Thats sounds like a great Preparation H ad campaign line
Like the vest dude.
When it came out, the company I worked at were looking at one for remote broadcasts on a budget (both size wise and money.)
On paper they looked great. Decent image, could output a decent image to HDMI. Lens was okay and most important, we could fit like 4 or 5 into a pelican case.
But we stumbled upon the same issues when renting one. Too bad really.
I remember the Canon 5D Mark 4 uses motion jpeg for 4K video and everyone hated because the files are very large.
Selling my Sony HDR ax2000e and looking for replacement reasonably priced unit for videoing surfing
Is there a firmware update that might help with some of the issues noticed in the XC10? The autofocus in particular seems like a software bug, honestly; like it's having trouble deciding what to do, not actually physically unable to do it.
Thx. Almost bought 1.
Hi kindly help to know what is the best gear set for video productions newbies, like the best video cameras for start and the other tools needed
Thanks for the response.
Good rant Markus, thanks!
can you do a "Best of" video. perhaps best camera of each year or your top 3 cameras under $x.
It looks like a cool camera.
That's why I got it 😜
I'll stick with my Blackmagic "pocket" 6k. At least I get the option to record out to an external SSD and it's hard to beat BM's color science.
Hey, could it be used for livestreaming a wide shot of a crowd or congregation?
Great video. Thanks for the honest reviews.
As an xc15 owner I didn’t find this a fair review.
@@matthewsheppard7050 I didn’t say fair or accurate. But it is his honest opinion. He isn’t bought off like a lot of these reviewers.
@@shaananwalsh7513 I see I took honest to equate to fair for which as an XC-15 owner I found Markus’s review to be lacking. It’s not a perfect camera but at a refurbished price point of $600 it’s hard to beat if you’re looking for a camera that won’t stop recording after 30 mins.
@@matthewsheppard7050 true. Markus always has strong opinions. Once he decides he doesn’t like something he never changes his mind. $600 is a great price for the camera. I’m sure someone could color grade to make the picture look “better”. I agree it wasn’t that in depth of a review and didn’t show all of the functions etc.
I bought this camera when I was on a tight budget but desperate for a B cam. My honest review is that the worst part about the camera is the lens. The appeture is fine when you don't zoom in but it gets bad the farther in you zoom. That said it takes great shots of nature when there is plenty of light. It is not a selfie camera and was never intended to be. It won't stop recording after 20 mins. It does have built in ND filters, zebras, a fan, c-log, and fantastic image stabilization. That alone was not explored, in this review and it is one of the strongest features in this camera.@@shaananwalsh7513
Cool stuff! It's a pretty neat combo.
Thanks, Markus!
2 Things (if you have the time):
1). I know you rave about the Lumix G7, but I could not find anything about the G85 in your video archives using YT's search feature. I've been shooting with a G85 for about 3 years and I would like to know your thoughts on it. Does such a video exist?
2). Employing your advice on flat lighting, I love the look, except for the catch lights. I use 2x Godox 37" Octaboxes set parallel to one another and get unflattering double catchlights in each eye. I shoot mainly headshots where the catchlight is prominent. Do you have a video addressing this, or any advice on how to get flattering catchlights when using flat lighting? I place the Octaboxes parallel to and facing one another (with grids) in order to feather the light and keep it off of the backdrop. Distance from light to subject and subject to backdrop is 3'.
Thanks, again!
-james
Facing each other? ...as in 90 degrees to the camera? From the sides? i always have them 45 degrees. What's wrong with double catchlights?
That's a beautiful camera.
😂 I'm not sure if you're going to get many people trying to win this one.
i would love one of those rx100's
Yes you would
That’s pretty neat.
Finally some Canon gear lol... thank you.
What are your thoughts of the Canon EOS RP?
Would this be an ok camera or budget camera to start with for just basic cinematography? With just basic stills shots, maybe a zoom out here and there? Also does this camera have an ok depth of field that at least focus in on the subject but the background is still somewhat blurry? Only reason I’m asking is because this camera on eBay and other sites is really cheap and I’m really just trying to start out with cinematography and get use to the basic and I love the ergonomic of this camera than how dslr look(really like camcorder look than dslr).
This does not have blurry background, you need an interchangeable lens camera for that
Excellent as usual. Well done. Love the audio. I love the style of your presentations in that you always are down to earth about the stuff you try and use. Realistic use is a common thread on your videos and that should never be discounted. The only thing I can hold against you is that you are filthy rich.
Does it shoot in 1080p? Typically, down sampled 1080 from 4k looks great. The file size issue would go away as well. Would it hold up as a UHD camera?
Canon 1080 is pretty bad, their 4K cameras usually only look good in 4K. Sony on the other hand has good 1080
Interesting.