Is Season 4 Better Than Expected? - The PoddyC Ep. 22
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Folks! Welcome to Episode 22 of the PoddyC, where Dorki, Maximum & Dratnos, all tackle the great questions of World of Warcraft. In this episode we are tackling everything that's been going on recently, aswell as the fact that we changed days woo! In this episode we talk Race to World Last, Season 4, The War Within Alpha & Much More - Hope you Enjoy!
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0:00 - Podhello!
0:20 - New Day, New Us
1:10 - Race to World Last
5:51 - First Week of Season 4
11:53 - Current State of Vengeance DH
15:49 - Are We Putting Too Much on Tanks?
18:47 - Is the Game Better If Vengeance is Nerfed?
20:04 - MOBS CAST SO MUCH
21:57 - Being Responsible For Your Own Mechanics
23:30 - Dracthyr Domination
27:39 - Season 4, Good or Bad?
29:52 - Running it Back in Vault of the Incarnates
34:37 - Crests, Flightstones, Loot & Tier Acquisition
41:29 - Doing Multiple Forms of Content for Gear
42:57 - Affixes and Such
45:26 - There's a lot of WoW
45:56 - 2 Weeks vs 1 Week of Raid
51:02 - MoP Remix & Cataclysm
53:33 - How Popular Will Cataclysm Be?
56:39 - Is There More Coming???
57:49 - Max Playing Cata Classic
58:40 - New Alpha Build!
59:00 - Fel-scarred Demon Hunter
1:00:56 - New Class Reworks
1:04:38 - Dorki Is Hyped for DH
1:07:22 - ALDRACHI REWORK PLEASE
1:08:40 - State of Hero Talents
1:09:25 - The Consequences of Voting For S4 Tier
1:13:18 - Patreon Attempt 1
1:13:22 - The War Within Dungeons (RP)
1:27:57 - Patreon Attempt 2
1:28:17 - NEW ZONE IS CRAZY?
1:28:50 - And Just Before the Patreon Question
1:29:19 - Augmentation Evokers!
1:29:35 - PATREON ATTEMPT 4?
1:29:40 - JUST A QUICK NOTE BEFORE THAT
1:30:00 - PATREON QUESTION
1:32:01 - Do We Know How Strong Buffs Actually Are?
1:38:46 - Tuning Around Utility is HARD
1:39:45 - Damage Is King
1:40:55 - Raid Buffs
1:45:17 - Racials
1:49:42 - "That's not What WoW Is"
1:51:55 - DK Will Be Breaking Rules
1:53:01 - Podoutro
dab o7
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I just want to give max huge props i remember him getting all of these negative comments about interrupting people (i think he was just excited to talk about it with them) and it seems like he took it to heart. you can tell he makes an effort to make sure everyone is finished speaking.
Thanks big dog
the adhd gamer struggle✊😔
shoutout to max
I understand this struggle as a serial yapper.
Seriously. It’s hard as fuck to do and he really grew to do it well!
Give Fronk a raise. That "no." had me absolutely dying!
i paused and scrolled through comments and it made me laugh then i hit played and saw the also no and spit food
I am one of the tanks in who was the first kill on that final day. You watched our Hunter PoV who was also the "Banshee" you mentioned when we did kill it. The positive vibes we have gotten from your platform have been amazing, and our team is so much more in sync because of that. It was really awesome to get a spotlight on the other end of Mythic Raiding. Thank you for the awesome content!
I was there with a friend watching your kill on Max's stream, and honestly we were so much more hyped for your kill than our own. Keep it up beasts!
this shit makes me happy
You guys own, always love seeing Dalaran rep or running into one of your people in m+. -Shrykos, The Octopus Club
7:30 Max's dog chases their tail and it's very funny
Dratnos almost losing it lol
That was awesome ty for this honestly made my day better
I love how Dratnos is seemingly the most attentive, he also reacted to Max's displate dropping in the background when that happened too (maybe dorki is sat there smirking too but that cat has a good poker face)
I was 47 minutes in and had to go back to see it. So cute!
That doggo was enjoying life lol
just finished the poddy, great episode lads (I'm 30seconds in)
Just finished the poddy and read this comment. Great episode and great comment lads(i'm 29 seconds in)
I second Dratnos on the Race for World Last being great content.
Totally agree, Max was hilarious and its always exciting watching anyone get ce even if the clock is ticking the other direction
As one of the guilds that was being watched I truly enjoyed it and when we failed to get CE and got to watch everyone else it was great content and made me feel a lot better. Cause man not getting it was heart breaking.
As someone who “discovered” Max, Dratnos and Doorki independent of each other and have witnessed the evolution, I really think they’re just now hitting the full stride of their potential. Probably my favorite episode to date, Seinfeld level chemistry at this point.
We appreciate you, Fronk, and all your hard work.
Friday PoddyC filling in my void of no Titanforge 💜
Bruh I was going to say this but this is better tbh
I started in S3 Shadowlands, and loved the affix that brought in the extra ad that gave haste for each one you killed. There was a benefit to doing it, it changed the dynamic of the dungeon and how to pull it, and I think that more affixes need to have a positive outcome. Do this mechanic that is going to negatively affect your damage, but after you succeed, we will give you a buff. Would make it way more fun.
Dorki's 3:22 "fuck 'em, dude" was one of the funniest things I've experienced all week lmfao
Race to world last was the most entertaining content ive ever seen live. That was what streaming content should be it was amazing lol
43:36 holy moly the number of people I’ve played with who missed the memo on key level squish. Showing up to a +2 prepared to waltz through then getting tossed around
The 1 week raid change makes it quicker to get the mount and be done and ready for MoP Remix.
Dratnos with the "We have a caller on the line!" really killed me 😅
Max just watching the race to world last at the Team Liquid compound, while the rest of the roster irons their gamer shirts _would_ go hard tho!
Max & Dratnos are both so likeable and knowledgeable at the same time it's very rare
Dawn of the Infinites is so great. It feels so good to challenge the hard mode, something very different from usual stuff, like a key and raid something in between. I've got great vibes from attending it with my friends, it was fun, challenging and rewarding. I wish the adventure book would mention tank frontal on the second boss xd
Not to be a hater, but Dratnos is carrying this podcast. That man has charisma oozing from every orifice.
That episode where he wore the suit.. my word man oozes charm
@@Sadistichippo or the pirate one
Well Dorki and Max are professional gamers, Dratnos is actually a professional caster. He is also abnormally intelligent and that translates whenever he partakes in a discussion and without time to think it through, spits out extremely polished ideas. This podcast is the best thing the community could hope for. They reach out to the elite retail community and the broader masses (most aotc players know Max). Keeping the poddy C alive is healthy for the community to be an opinion echochamber, as well as conveying ideas in a way that won’t clash with blizz. Plus blizzard gets free feedback and the bois get paid.
The joyous years of the titanforge podcast have let Dratnos to this spot and the same could be said for Dorki and Max. You can tell Dorki is more and more comfortable talking and Max making rooms. They have a great nuanced table.
@@bionandro6278 I don't disagree, but you are missing the thing I'm talking about. Max and Dorki might be infinite amounts better and more cleverer than I am when it comes to WoW, but I wouldn't attend a maths class for fun. There needs to be another purpose to a podcast than education about a niche topic. Entertainment is that purpose and from where I'm sitting, only one of these three is actually entertaining. It takes time and practice to get good at that and Max and Dorki aren't going to be automatically pros at it because they are good at a game. They may get good at that over time as they do it and that day is when I might listen to a podcast hosted by them, even if Dratnos needs to take an episode off.
Then again, it'd still be infinitely better than a horseshit AI voice reading movie plots off of wikipedia, despite RUclips constantly recommending that waste to me. These three are all very far into the "good youtube"-territory as they are and they don't need me to find them entertaining to be there.
Good shit. I wait for these every week. I'm pumped.
@53:40 Dratnos peering into his crystal ball was kino
The crystal ball hand poppin up for Dorki got me so good. Great ep overall, am glad to hear you guys were also sad about the 1 week raid change, felt like it was just me!
I listen to this podcast on Spotify but I had to come here to say that maxs take on rp in dungeons is spot on. as long as the additional time is accounted for in the timer it literally has 0 affect on the key. I run hella mythic plus and it isn’t annoying
Nah Dorki wrong on the RP elements. Those make it feel like an actual place. THe RP elements shouldnt be aggressively long, but I love the candle mechanic and all that.
Just want to say, love the podcast and thanks for everything you guys do
This podcast is getting better episode by episode. Max is great, and even better combined with D&D. Thanks guys!
Very good decision to shift to Fridays. Last episodes were full of topics and takes I read everywhere like many times. Felt like repetition only. Love the episode
second comment post - agree with others, watching max do race to world last was actually maybe my favorite content from dragonflight along with race to world first and actually playing the raids myself. nothing else came even close. 1000% should do it again.
cool episode. was interesting hearing dorki talking about what makes a good big pull vs a kinda boring big pull in m+.
2:20 I was doing this in Sepulcher. Real last-pull energy, and we got it 11pm night before reset. It was so satisfying to get it. We werent doing too bad pullcount wise on anything, but we were a 2-day guild, and Sepulcher was real rough.
RWL is one of the best things about WoW streaming currently. shout outs to throbbin robin
Shoutout to Max's dogs
Dratnos is 999% on Flight Stones. They are a straight up grind wall.
RP in dungeons is cool and great and I love it. The second you walk into an m+ and it feels like it’s fighting your timer, it needs to fucking go.
The thing is if they compensate the timer appropirately then logically it's ok. You'd think they'd do this by default, but when the timers are some round number like 33:30 then it really doesn't feel like they do.
Regardless, i'd be happy with zero rp, but if they insist then why not just add exactly the time the rp takes to the timer.
The VDH thing trickles down in that nobody is kicking any more as they’re used to the DH handling it every pack. Other tanks just feel so bad in comparison
I pretty much do portals and quit and I mostly agree with Dorki. All the RP flying around in Spires or Ascension or Dawn of the Infinite is cool the first time. When the timer is ticking down and you have to wait for someone to finish a monologue you've already heard 10 times, or your little winged friend to drop you at the next pack its more annoying than cool.
Hi I am here to comment that I am hype for the poddyc at work on monday
wow a long poddyc on a friday, poddy good evening
whole-heartidly agree with the m0, +2 etc take about being able to do decently scaled content without affixes. this change feels so good.
It's easier for the tank to handle all the stops on the VDH than to try and coordinate the rest of the groups stops or rely on them to actually use them
Not only losing a affix during weeklies but also not having to pug up my key for like 3 hours before i can start doing higher keys, now after 2 dungeons im already at +8 (18), sweeet change
Very here for the Hallowfall praise. I had a feeling that it would be the best looking zone when it was shown at Blizzcon, and I'm happy to hear that it looks great in game.
Question regarding Gearing and Upgrading: How would you feel about the option to upgrade items to the next upgrade track. For example, I loot an item on the Hero Track and once I've upgraded it to 6/6 and have a certain M+ raiting / killed a number of bosses on Mythic (or if I already looted an item on the Myth track for that slot) I could upgrade that item to the Myth track for like 2 enchanted aspect crests or something. I think, especially for Raiders this could resolve a lot of gearing frustration
Favorite Pod, keep up the good work lads
"You can't really undertune these specs; think about how that would feel, when you would do no damage because you have utility"
That is LITERALLY, what they did to ret/holy/prot output for 15+ years and what Aug is representing RIGHT NOW.
They definitely SHOULD tune damage around utility and make it a conscious decision to bring a certain class. When utility lets you achieve higher key levels and comes down to clearing speed. doesn't matter if it's damage or other buttons.
It's interesting, they definitely don't tune around AI or PWF, but they absolutely did tune for PI. So it's not like this hasn't occurred to them. It seems like they tune for M+ balance more quickly than they do for raid balance (although Hunter is the counter-example there).
best episode i’ve ever seen
The best PoddyC in the world of this week (but maybe they have a secret one again o.o)
Heck yeah Poddy Fridays
3k io mage. I'm a full time worker full time student and i only really got to jam all day friday and for about 6 hours thursday. This patch is so much fun. Already cleared both normal and heroic raid to get my 4 set with my catalyst. slamming 6-8 keys has been really fun and i'm excited to do higher keys later on. The season is gonna be really fun.
Huge W take for Max on the dungeon convo in terms of stuff being cool. As a portals and quit M+ guy, I also agree with Dorki/Drattynos on the trimming fat for M+ versions of dungeons though.
As a Heroic raider who hasn't even attempted Mythic raiding, a multiple time KSM(including S4 SLands)I LOVE the new Mythic+ Changes. M0 is what I always personally wanted, Raid-type 5man content. Having less affixes in M+ is so good too, so much less stressful. Yes there's too much WoW right now, and I'm gonna push my chips into Retail. So I'ma get mogs in s4, and then do some MoP remix. Also Classic Folks: CATACLYSM IS AMAZING Until 4.3. Even then 4.3 is good, it just has LFR. Cata is good and underrated!
Wait....wait...wait...
You can stop the maggots from spraying in Underot?
The M+ changes are great, including when the affixes come into play.
Timed content: RP Bad. Untimed content: RP Good.
Also just gotta say I appreciate the wide variety of topics you guys cover, complete with time stamps. So good.
1:47:00 Make shadowmeld into a mini (less powerful)/personal shroud??? solves the mechanics issues, keeps the stealth fantasy, makes it more usable in all content, could share a CD with an invis pot
Also, props Max for the tangent at the end around RP for "normies" v the 1%
1:16:10 the way dorki loses all hope is so fucking funny
An interesting argument I have for this tank stop discussion. I think that we have a floating role that is right in the middle of the "triangle" of tank/healer/dps, with the support specs. I think making the support class in charge of stops, with a little bit of help from the group, seems like the best way to balance around those specs. Rather than making them "dps buffs"
Aug already has a little bit of this built in with all the different knockups, it lets you add an interesting sigil control spec to DH that isn't focused on damage, etc.
My initial reaction to Fel-Scarred was hype: "I AM MY SCARS!"
there was a point in early everquest when the meta was "get the one class capable of permastunning mobs, gather as many mobs as the server and your 233mhz pentium 2 can handle, and trust your ccer"
occasionally i miss it terribly, but i know why it had to go.
On VDH really all that needs to be done is illuminating the extra digits talent. That evens the playing field tremendously. Possibly even making two of them choice nodes so you have to choose which two you want versus having 3 sigils.
I absolutely love the mythic changes. Only problem I see is that some players have not caught onto the fact that the keys changed and they should maybe be doing heroics instead of mythic 0s, but that should fix itself. Felt great to just chill in some 0s, gonna run some keys later this week at some point.
As a tank main, I think a solution to the issue of tank utility would be to give tanks more utility but of different kinds. Bear has a niche that they are a really good offhealer right now, and they could lean into that and give bear a unique tank identity as being able to be an effective healer on top of a damage dealer. They would need to adjust dungeon design to reduce stops being so important to make vdh not the default choice but it would be cool to see different tanks in different dungeons based on what kind of utility is needed
Max nailed it. Give me theme. The rp I dislike is when you sit in front of a wall or door and have to wait for rp to finish. But mine card ride or trash chute or whatever. Bring it on. And that's from someone who does a lot of m plus.
Survival hunter in cataclysm is the GOAT, Max that would be awesome stream content
I wish they had brought back Zugamuxes. I loved that seasonal last season 4.
Vengeance makes it so you dont have to deal with dogshit mob abilities that oneshot your whole team and new m+ scaling makes it so you dont have to deal with doshit affixes on top of that. That's why this season is so much fun
What would you guys think about affixes, being optional to M+ ? And the reward for enabling affixes would be an additional loot gain for the group as an example? So you could do a +10 without affixes, but it would still have the scaling of dmg and hp as the +10 has with affixes as well.
They could make racial abilities unlockable via rep grind. So you can still have some inate ability to be special as a night elf, but I can also get it if I grind rep with them.
race to wolrd last was some of the best content ive seen
To help solve the tank disparity, one of the easiest ways would be to instead understand as a developer that the players like pulling huge. After understanding that, you do not design every single mob in modern M+ to have something that needs to be worried about. it is fine to have 80% of a pull just auto attacking/auto shooting/auto throwing things on the ground targeting players. Make 1-2 mobs in a pack that need to be kicked and/or stunned.
They are right the M Plus key squish is great!
I liked this episode a lot!
i think max hit the head on the nail with the cap, it needs a cap, during a thing like s4 yea grow that cap fast and by decent amounts, but on a regular season the only uncapped (or completely removed) thing should be flightstones, it's easy for people who have time like you guys to say that but when you're in a guild were 70% of people have regular jobs and other can afford to play 8 hours a day its hard to fight for your raid spot when people outgear you because they just spammed m+. Again i agree that in a season like this one it can be higher then 120 and it can grow at a 1.5x or even 2x the rate and it would still allow people to have a decent feel of gear progression for 3 to 4 weeks while not just letting some people go full out and out gear me by 20ilvls on the first week of the patch.
I’d prefer for the mythic plus change to cap the stat gains monsters get at keystone 25 equivalent and each keystone level higher adds on an affix. The skip of keystone levels 1-10 seems fine but seemingly will affect players that don’t run with a constant group. The alt hearing and start of xpac I am suspect of that being the most challenging.
as someone who regularly plays wrath classic they have done a lot of realm consolidation so it means everyone is on an active server.
Nerfing Sigil of Silence is pretty much necessary at this point, just to start off. SOME nerfs need to come to VDH, it's simply too unbalanced. And that's one of the nerfs that wouldn't affect the 'fun' of DH, preserving its' gameplay.
As Dorki himself said, you effectively can cut 5-7+ casts depending on the pull because of its on-hit effect AND debuff effect together.
Very strange that you guys say that its super fun that vdh can control everything and then at the same time say it would put people off tanking adding that much utility to other tank specs
so you guys love playing the most OP class/spec? got it?
Yeah about the crest cap I honestly stopped pushing once I maxed on aspects and wyrms. I wanted to max wyrms too because early gearing they are needed. Once they both capped I was like what’s the point? And I just messed around on my BDK
Just have less required stops, and make it so maybe 1 mob that needs to be stopped so it’s easy to understand like “ oh, that cast when of and I died, we need to stop that” instead of having 65 different things happening and some matter and some don’t matter if you are ranged etc
I've actually been kind of enjoying it. It feels good having something to do in my guild with everyone again, and the fast track of upgrading gear feels nice too. I wouldn't like it if it was slow to gear though
Oh also the m+ changes feel awesome to me. I like that everything has been condensed down. People seem way more chill in lower keys atm
Also in my opinion rp when it's just npcs talking is super boring and needs to stop. But i really don't mind rp in an environment sense, like a cart transporting you around. Especially if it's just a fast way to get from somewhere to another. There's a difference between dialogue and that
For M+ specifically, they should add raid buffs to some classes that are ~3% avoidance or leech, to compete with PW:Fort
I do 25-28s so not super high key pusher but I still do over 100 keys per season and I like small thematic rp. If the only rp in the dungeon is the small cart ride back after an intense boss fight where u get to let cooldowns reset or take a breather. I’m all for it. What I think the community hates is insane amounts of rp in dawn of the infinite.
Also if there is a big pull after RP. It can allow you to line up cds better.
Say there's a 30 second RP section and then a big pull, its much easier to set up all your CDs. Meaning if there is an RP, there should be some really big action after
love the pace of gearing this season and also loving the M0 change, i want to try m+ 20 and 30 with no affix and timer for science! < Blizzard look here!
48:08 ye heroic is a joooooke from a boss health/ tuning perspective. Mechanics hit you plenty hard, but that’s probably the S3 health pool hangover
I got physically pain when I heard "we want to be something cool like Draenei, rather than something like Night Elf"
tauren with warstomp and extra hp vs orc with blood rage and stun resist, its all thematic. humans get a rep bonus bc human friendly race and gnomes have an escape bc they are so small and hard to lock down. i would love to see a tauren who could beseech a Loa or a Dark iron dwarf who could shadow meld but some things dont make much sense.
Good job to Max for helping some of those groups out while streaming! I think the idea of streaming the last of the Hall of Fames is a good idea.
After reading the comments I took the time to watch race to worlds last on RUclips. Max that was some premium content. At first I was like 6 hours!?!? Hell no, but the time flew by. Glasses raised for bird c**ks
I’m playing S4 really casually on 3 alts. Log in, do raid finder/normal, log off and hope for gear until one character gets enough ahead to do keys to snag ksm. I plan on hammering Cata and I’m disappointed that the timing really makes it hard to play s4 and Pandas
Maybe all tanks should get a ton of pack control, and this stuff can get taken off the backs of DPS. That way damage can just focus on blasting
give guardian a bunch of knockbacks, theyre a big scary bear
give prot warrior more stuff like intercept and things that can reflect targeted stuff, cause theyre a protector
give brew a variety of control, but it's extra powerful like a single knockback but also its 10m or paralysis a 40m range
give death knight more roots or more cheats, theyre an undead champion after all
prot pal has group utility, venge has aoe cc
tank should be CC, healers heal rot damage, and damage does damage (but keep timers tight)
As someone who stops pushing M+ in the low 20s because i know i'm not getting title i can tell you the people in this area don't want long RP. Short RP is fine. Hell people in 15's don't like seeing long rp, but idk anyone who cares about the rp like the boat ride since it's at the beginning.
if they were to remove raid buffs, not only would the most efficient way be to giga stack the meta classes, but it would also put specs in sort of a box based on their damage profile for fitting specific boss/dungeon designs. meaning for example ; sub rogue would become the smolderon spec. so stacking 6 of those becomes the default answer because it lines perfectly up with the boss design, and players aint losing any raidbuffs by doing it anymore. and then all of a sudden all specs start to feel like varyingly useful toolsets. instead of bringing fantasy driven value through their class identity (like raidbuffs do). i can absolutely see the problem we have now with raidbuffs, but i think giving caster shamans something valueable would be a much better answer than removing raidbuffs all-together.
100% with Dratnos here about the timegating of tier and embellished pieces.
Heres how to fix VDH , Rework second sigil talent so it only Gives you 2 Elysian Decree charges and 2 Sigil of flame and Keep Grip/Fear/Silence onto 1 charge
I want to agree with both max and dorki about the m+ dungeons. I have such fond memories of the Culling of Stratholm, or Escape from Durnholde Keep. These dungeons anchored the lore of warcraft for me in such a huge way, having already played through the scenario in wc3. But, whenever I am leveling up a new character I always dread running into these types of lore-heavy dungeons.
I think I agree with max right now, but maybe in a decade I will be looking back on the dungeons released in the war within and thinking that the rp is super annoying. I guess dorki just ends up playing a whole lot more than me and so he runs into that feeling much quicker. I believe the only rp that I got tired of in dragonflight was the dragonriding moments in dawn of the infinite. Everything else was always welcome.
I also think that having downtime in m+ is important. It helps me destress for a moment because staying focused for 30 minutes is actually starting to become a challenge for me these days. If RP means a 30 second break I am all for it.
None of this is to say that fated/awakened seasons are objectively better than new content, but I do enjoy the sort of “greatest hits” theme.
It’s really fun to get to have all of the best items from an entire expansion.
Although, as I’m writing this that makes me realize that ultimately the take away should be the existence of an evergreen dinar/bullion system