The War Within Will Save Dungeons - The PoddyC Ep. 23
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Folks! Welcome to Episode 23 of the PoddyC, where Dorki, Maximum & Dratnos, all tackle the great questions of World of Warcraft. In this episode we had some REALLYYYY BIG technical difficulties, as Dratnos forgot to press record like the pro he is. Anyways in this episode we discuss things like the current dungeon pool, new hero talents, and the new The War Within Dungeons. Hope you enjoy!
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0:00 - Intro
0:14 - Dratnos Messed Up
2:03 - What Was Actually Talked About
2:21 - Squished Keystone Levels
3:36 - New Hero Talents (Rogue & Priest)
7:19 - Tier Sets Around Hero Talents?
11:44 - The Bugfest that is Season 4
15:06 - "We Will Fix These Trust us" - Blizzard
17:30 - Dratnos Says his Farewells
18:34 - MAXIMUM & DORKI ARE BACK
18:35 - Is Pug Healing Too Hard?
19:45 - Max's Dog is Doing some stuff
19:52 - Infinite Keystone Scaling
20:50 - Lower Keys are Harder to Heal Than High Keys
22:50 - Stops in Keys is a bit of a Problem
29:11 - 2 New Alpha Dungeons!!!
35:10 - The War Within Dungeons All Look Sick
37:15 - Bullying Fronk
37:52 - Dungeon Vibes are FANTASTIC
39:25 - Linear vs Open Dungeons
41:01 - Dratnos Gets Spammed on Bnet
41:03 - Tuning will Make or Break Dungeons
42:30 - The War Within Dungeons Have INSANE Potential
43:52 - Dratnos Prays for Midseason Changes
45:12 - Constant Tuning is Important
46:53 - Current M0 and Hardmode is AMAZING
48:43 - Max Commits Fraud
50:11 - M+'ers vs Cataclysm
51:34 - PATREON QUESTION
53:01 - Is Alting the Main Gameplay of WoW Now?
58:04 - PODBYE
I will fight dratnos in real life
#thewarwithin #ThePoddyC #podcast 
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guys real talk this one was my bad
no worries mate! you're still the best!
Please have a 'dratnos recaps poddyC' segment every week now
it's just a wipe. Rezz, eat feast, rebuff and pull again.
Don’t blame urself when you can blame Fronk
you completely made up for it by the look on your face when the pod starts.
dratnos looking back and forth like a guilty dog once we cut to the threeview is hilarious 😂
you can see the "oh shit" in his eyes
Really enjoyed The DrattyC this week, respect to Dratnos for actually spending all that time giving us the discussion we would've otherwise missed
I really liked this episode but about halfway through 2 people interrupted dratnos's 1 man play and from then on it wasn't nearly as good a podcast
The face dratnos makes @18:50 when he realizes what he has (or hasn't) done.
I love how you can see him internally debate whether or not to tell the other guys what happened or just let it roll haha
I had to go and check this out again. You can see the entire range of emotions and questions as he goes back and forth with what he just realized happened lol
The best part of this is that Dorki says "The mistakes people make" at literally the same time
Justice for Fronk. The man is innocent I tell you!
Your opening segment was great. I love all the jabs. 😂
Definitely Fronk's fault.
The dedication of the PoddyC that Dratnos sat and recapped everything they discussed instead of them just posting a shorter episode and saying there was technical difficulties or something and dropping it. Dude's dedicated to making sure we get the content and I appreciate these boys.
Man Im not gonna lie - I don't really get attached to content creators... but the first 10 minutes of this shit had me fucking rolling. Hilarious stuff dratnos. Love it
A parasocial relationship is born. A beautiful thing
@@LimitMaximum yeah yeah - you're just mad the best part of this pod cast didn't even have you in it max! Lol
I can't be mad at Dratnos. His Max voice killed me.
Dratnos making the best of a bad situation with a great summary and keeping it light and funny. Loved it.
We should get a monthly Dratty podcast.
I’m here to shed light on something terrible Max did yesterday on stream. Without cause or justification he poopooed Dratnos’s RPing. To correct this faux pas, I suggest Max RP on the next stream. Also, great episode, the best one yet. (Haven’t pressed play yet).
Lower keys are often the most annoying to heal because no one even tries. I feel like there are some pretty good healing checks this season in higher keys though, that's fun.
When you do max you have to be like. "Like yeah, not having a 3rd affix at level 9, that that wild man.. wild. And like You know some of these dungeons are stinkers, but a couple of them are straight up Bangers." in higher male voice, but not whiny, or feminine.
Lmao
DrattyC Pod had me chuckling non stop, 10/10 content
We need a separate Poddy C where it's Dratnos retelling the Poddy C with his Max and Dorki impressions. This was absolutely golden sir, couldn't stop laughing
Poor Dratnos, you look sad after you hit the record button and realized you forgot to.
PoddyC best pod. DrattyC intro every week lets go.
53:25 when he says it like that, it's awesome. I have 2-3 really fun weeks then I raid log, get CE and have a bunch of time to do other things. BFA felt like I had to be on 2-3 hours a day to mythic raid.
Love the honesty and attempt to make things right! Missing the convo was worth it to get Dratnos' impression of Dorki
Your faithful one, here. Thank you dorki, thanks to you i'm maining prot pally
Thank you so much for recapping the lost minutes 🥳. About set design being hard: Set are two additional talents points, but with the baked in expectation that they remove it next season. So I'd argue it's easier and gives the spec designers more freedom then the talent tree.
My favorite part is when Dratnos does realize he never hit record and you can see the fear on his face for the first minute.
As someone who does keys to about +20 and the raid on Heroic only, I absolutely love the hard mode dungeon and I hope we have more of that type of content. It feels like how the dungeons were back in the day but modernized
Fronk editing unmatched 👌🏻
Healer is the only role, where the game gets easier the higher the key you manage to get into. I've done 10s this season where I was cat form (as resto) for most of the key.
In lower keys you straight up should just let people die if they're constantly standing in shit. Makes healing everyone else way easier.
@@onyonrong9244 Or do what I do, I don't do keys under a certain level as healer. Even on brand new alts.
Dorki is so damn right about healing right now. And I swear 30% of my pug tanks had no idea there was an M+ squish. Its been a RIDE
Agree here, I’ve had people be like “it’s just a 6” and like, doggg that’s a 16 from last season, it’s not a free key in week one when you are still 480ilvl
@@SadistichippoKinda was free though.
6 was meant to be an equivalent to a previous season 16 yes, but it kinda feels like they made scaling lower than it was in the previous season.
Had an 8 nokhud week 1 that we went a couple of minutes over time on, but that was only because our pug tank didn't know how to do 3rd boss, and was a bit of a slow learner, wiping us 3 times.
“We can probably get the other cat on” had me laughing
More dratnos is never a downgrade. It's a bonus. We sure Fronk didn't realize that and orchestrate this? Hmmm, sus
An alternative to Max’s “no stops” dungeon cook: make a dungeon where all the mechanics are like Plunderstorm mobs, that do abilities that are almost exclusively dodge-able. That way if you’re the 1 turbo gamer in a group, you’ll live everything even if no one presses their stops or anything.
you're cooking hard right now big dawg I like this
i think that would become boring VERY fast
I think that a big reason why these dungeons are higher in quality is because they stated that dungeons are going to be part of the campaign. Because of the implementation of follower dungeons, they said that they can now 'force' players to go through dungeons because they are doable with followers. Therefore, I feel like they put a lot more effort in the dungeons because they will be part of the endgame and part of the leveling process.
Reptar for fourth PoddyC host.
I hope we get more Dratnos summarizing conversation videos in the future
I'm looking forwards to the episode where Dorky does all their voices now. I feel like this is a part of the snow now
you handled this so well dratnos, i enjoyed your solo section alot. fantastic save right there. Poddy C is lucky to have you.
In regards to what Max says at 56:20 in the Warbands post they explicitly state that crests will be character specific with no trading between characters. I personally don't understand why they are choosing to go this route when the entire reasoning behind warbands seems to be if YOU earn it, it should be useable on any of your characters. I guess the main reason is so you don't have a way to earn extra power for you main by sending crests from your alts to bypass the weekly cap early on, but in that case just make the crest cap character specific and don't allow extra crests past cap to be sent to a character. Another good reason to have the ability to send crests is because half way through a season your main will be sitting on like 200+ crests that they have no use for which makes gearing an alt that needs those crests that much more frustrating when you need aspect crests on one character and know you have 200 rotting away on your main that doesn't even need them.
the exact quote from the blizzard warbands post is under the currencies section "Note that there will still be many currencies that will remain non-transferable because they represent important character-based progression. Two examples of these are the Crest and Flightstone equivalents in The War Within."
22:18 The other 2 dogs being totally in sync is so good
I hope more people join in, but I had to personally shout out @dratnos again. I listen to about 5-7 podcasts pretty regularly. I don’t think any of them would have taken the time to recap like dratnos did this week. Mad respect for owning up and making some awesome content out of it. Definitely don’t feel robbed at all, if anything, I’m thankful for the extra work! Keep it up guys 🤘🏼
dratnos facial expressions when he finally hit record and dorki says mistakes
To be fair, even though it was odd having to listen to your recap, this is the best podcast on RUclips in my opinion. Every take works. If that makes sense. Keep up the good work everyone😊
Dratnos made the most of a bad situation, was pretty funny
I think the biggest issue that DF had and TWW is carrying forward is that S1 isn’t all new dungeons. I skipped S2 so I’m not familiar with half the current dungeons.
Most people play when the expansion is new and that’s when everyone is collectively learning
This and not nearly enough enough people are talking about this. Season 1 should absolutely be all the new dungeons always. Season 1 is where most people are playing and having old content at the release patch of an expansion just feels really bad
Is the solution for them to have a season 2 with all old dungeons? Or do we have half dungeons from season one come through to S2?
It’s a tough one that’s for sure.
I think irl weak aura that glows when recording button is not pressed would be perfect
God what a perfect piece of content to be blessed with by pure chance
They have a schedule you know
Honestly this is the best episode so far. Couldn't have handled the blunder any better. Kudos
Dratnos should make at least one video where he tells stories and does voices :)
Best opening to a podcast ever imo. Must do again.
I love this episode! @dratnos your a true teamplayer man. Love you!
fronk goated editor 😎
First off, this was the best intro to a Poddy C yet! Dratnos impersonating Dorki was fantastic! Second, the disaster that has been season 4 is inexcusable. Yeah, I'm still playing it, but it could have been so much better. The lack of any tuning is the low point for me, and I don't even play one of the classes impacted. If this is the impression that Blizzard is giving the wow audience right now, that is doesn't care about retail players half way through an expansion, they are going to lose more subs then gained through these limited time one offs (Plunderstorm/MOP Remix). I'm still paying a monthly sub for the game I'm playing now, and I expect it to be up to par, which it isn't.
I just love Dratnos so much. He´s a true hero talent
I would love deathless HM if it had more native support for resetting the attempt and trying again.
Fronk has no chill. Love it.
Not hitting record on an episode is a rite of passage for every podcast. Congratulations on the milestone PoddyC.
I really love dorki's hard mode cook. I think that could be really sick to have become a mainstay for every season.
Great new format
The problem with the goal Max has for the mini bosses buffing the boss and still being doable with one alive is Tyran vs Fort. These are the two worst affixes for balance period. Abilities go from one shotting to barely half your life week to week. I don’t think Blizz will be able to pull that off until they change them.
Fantastic intro, poddy thanks
Doti hard mode is pretty amazing and I posted about it in the community council, hopefully we get more of this in TWW as one dungeon like this each season would feel pretty great.
Requiring deathless for extra rewards sucks - bricking the run because some guy died or disconnected or misclicked or whatever feelsbadmin. Maybe if the dungeon is repeatable instead of waiting a weekly lockout it'd be decent
wetting myself at Dratnos' face after he begins recording, after knowing the backstory.
Haha.. The eyes of Dratnos when he turns off recording. xD Fuck that is the eyes of someone that knows they dun goofed.
Bless you!
As a really unlucky loot person, I still didn't have BiS by end of season 3. And that's not like adding in leech and all that. Took forever to get trinkets. Felt that season 2 as well.
Max must be one of the few that actually liked Archon. All priests seem very disappointed it wasn't BoA returning.
Is that a mindset coming from Publik perhaps? Because he is a terminal baiter when it comes to being completely incorrect on shadow.
@@Nathan-hl4uq Who? No. Just the general opinion i've seen.
Very few, if any, actually likes Halo as a spell, and it's a complete flavor fail too if you read the hero talents description.
Shadow won't like it and Holy would just slightly prefer it to the mess that is Oracle.
@@Nathan-hl4uq Ngl I thought you were talking about the grocery store Publix for a second lol
@@veryontron4279 I wasn't sure if it was an x or a k, either way he is the self defined shadow guy. I just assumed the poor take came from him.
I genuinely don't know why you would dislike it other than "I wanted something else". Because objectively the talents have pretty good synergy, some of the most obvious visuals in the game for hero talents with a good theme and halo will also crank with the way it keeps echoing in and out.
Imo you seem more biased to me than max did since his was based on objectively looking at it and weighing theme/synergy
Re: Dorki's proposed change. Do 4 of the current expansion dungeons for m+ and the other 4 all have hard modes activated for untimed prog.
Liked for the Dorki impersonation
Subscribed for more of those!
Worth it to hear the Dorky impressions 😂
Best episode yet
Only here for the DrattyC
Dorki: what if we get hard mode dungeons every season? no timer, no affixes...
Me: YES I'VE BEEN YELLING THIS! Challenging dungeons are SO much more enjoyable without the added stress of timers and affixes. It's all I want.
The interesting thing about the no stops thing is it lets them tune dungeons ike a raid where the mechanics are always going to go off. Might mean that there's a hard limit on how high you can push, but less likely to have random wipes from a random cast going off.
It would be cool if they would give you the option of doing your key just without a timer or affixes. Like if you have a +10 you can choose "no timer" when slotting the key, and have it not upgrade or deplete and allow you to change talents/reset bosses for lust. Maybe a little overpowered but DOTI hard was such a fun time not having to worry about timer. Just roll up with your boys and do some hard content, if you wipe its nbd.
Wow most shows this would be a hey theres no show our bad. Yet we get the dratnos show plus poddy c this week.
I'm a portals only guy and don't care about score once there is no reward tied to it, and since I have all these already I doubt I'll ever step into a +10 this season cause it provides only detriment and no benefit. In future weeks I'll only do each dungeon on a 10 once to get the port and never again if I can help it.
The most of your statement is fine. But saying it’ll be a “detriment” is a bit wild lol.
I don't know why you want the portal if you never want to go back
@@sbsftw4232 I'd go back all the time, just not on a 10(20)
@@ItsYent Just to say that there is no gain from going from 9 to 10 for me personally once I have the portal, only a downside of the 3rd affix.
I appreciate the change, especially with account bound dungeon ports in war within. I can just work up to the port, and blast keys for the rest of the season without doing the more involved affixes
Just an interesting thought, but flightstones/crests effectively ARE AP. They're just more nuanced and the rewards are more linear, and the cap is optional/easier to obtain. Adding a concordance-esque endgame option that increases your power level could help make the issues around powerlevel flatten. That said i'm interested to see how blizzard cooks on this one.
the easiest key i've healed? a 25 TotT. Hardest key i've healed? a 20 BRH. CD's are planned, defensives are used, triage is minimal, kicks and stopped performed, SHEEEEESH it's a whole new game.
Going to sleep, checking it out tomorrow
I was hoping for some discussion of Cata pre-patch release and the mess of bugs that were pushed live that had all been documented on the PTR.
Dratnos is such a cool guy
Fronk is a hero for that unicycle bit
Impressive Idorki impression
I'll post what I felt about Archon for Holy on the priest discord here too, obviously without playtesting or getting to try it out myself.
After sleeping on it, I think Archon falls into the boring but will feel nice to play tier. The healing amps, surge of light stuff, and extensions on Apotheosis all sound fun and seem fairly powerful. They also don't modify our gameplay too much, outside of having to burn the surge procs before and during halos. We also have maybe the best defensive node in the entire hero talent system. 5% stamina is really nuts, especially since this will increase our max HP and make Desperate Prayer even better.
One of my main criticisms is that I feel like the returning aspect isn't really a capstone level thing. It feels like it is missing some sort of interaction to make you go into an ascended state like an Archon. I'm not sure what the trigger or bonus would be, but it would make a lot more sense visually and thematically if we sometimes transcend into this cool looking model or something. The halo visuals are also lackluster. If that is all we are getting, and Halo CD is 1 min, then they better make it look cool af. Another problem is that the PI bonus sucks. We already don't care the most about haste and our PI is sort of tied to a DPS timings and not ours because of the power of the external with someone else's cooldowns.
Fronk is killing it.
Affixes should be character and level agnostic and just do % damage. Standing in a (hypothetical) puddle from a affix should always do like 15% max hp damage per tick to anyone, regardless of their total hp value (i.e. tank with a lot of hp, or clothie with less) and regardless of their DR (from armor/personals etc).
in League of Legends terms : Max HP true damage.
This would build awareness for players even at lower levels to watch out for those affixes and prevent one shotting players and the very high-end level.
An affix should stay valid at all levels, regardless.
Dorki just a cat confirmed. He can just go quiet mode
We love you dratnos
I would bet that max is right and the reason why season 4 is buggy is because it's a low prio for them atm with mop remix coming up. And i also think that's the answer for cata. It's just not a big prio for them, which is interesting
Also dratnos at 18:58 trying to decide whether he should say something about the recording is gold 😂
As a melee guy im starting to feel worried that casters getting the bulk of good shit....After an expansion of what i think feels more caster friendly for M+ etc it makes me sad >
Ap is good, when you dont have to grind everything on every character :)
I think the problem is having unkickable mobs in higher keys even this season uldaman has the hail of stone cast the you have to stun to inturupt and they cast it every 10 seconds and some pulls you have 3-4 of them doing it. In a 9 that will 2 shot most dps if you scale that to a 17-18 it just will almost one shot the tank. I think if they will make more cast non-interruptible they will have to add a scaling roof to those mobs like that cast will do the same damage past a 12 or whatever it is.and it would make healers more engaging with actually healing. Because like yall said there is not much healing in a 28 key because nobody takes any damage they are full hp or dead nothing in between at all.
The best podcasts ALWAYS start with an excuse. LFG
I feel like crests should just be account bound. Let people accumulate their crest and just implement a spending limit per character per week. That limit should scale just like the current accumulation cap to make it so people can't just get all their gear in 1 week. It feels bad to be on a main and maybe not have as much time 1 week and feel like I fall so far behind in crests when I had plenty of time another week and hit the cap. This will also help alts because you'll still have to go out and aqcuire the gear, but you won't have to spam 40 low keys to get the crests to craft your items and upgrade your pieces.
We need Dratnos summaries every episode!
I tried pugging my lower level keys on one of my healer alts and had to pump out 130k overall HPS (+1 finish on the timer)… but in my push keys on my main, my healer is only needing to do 80-90k overall. I completely lost interest in wanting to pug on my healer after 2 dungeons….
I like the interrupts, stops, and micro-CC - that's actual gameplay.
There is too much noise in the base UI though - the game has been built around obscuring what information, by overloading players with visual clutter and noise. 45 auras, 2-3 that matter. 20 interruptible casts going off at once, nothing in the base UI to tell a hard hitter from a trivial distraction.
The PoddyC #23: Fronk's Revenge.
I vote each one of the guys has to do this every week.
Dratnos gonna be beating max at his beard game soon