1:17:09 Dorki: "Yeah, we're family friendly, you know" 1:17:19 Also Dorki: "One thing that's criminal about the UI: you can't drag windows, what the FUCK"
I honestly miss something they did very well in late BFA... Nazjatar and mechagon outdoor content was LIT. I remember turning on war mode and watching groups of 70 players blasting eachother regularly over some bridge in nazjatar. I remember going to mechagon, opening up general chat, and watching people work together to find and share rares. Same with some of the pvp/wqs during corruption patch. Those things made the game feel like an mmo, and gave something to do when m+ or raid isn't happening.
Regarding affixes it's clear that the community and the devs are speaking about two different things when we talk about seasonal affixes. They just hear seasonal when we really mean kiss/curse or interactive
No joke the Mistweaver Monk rework is some of the best design I've ever seen in a MMO, full stop. Super inspired, great choices. Everything the Mistweaver community has been asking for so many years and so much more. Whoever worked on this need a raise stat!
@@miraage It could have been done wrong but they did it right. We had improvements in dragonflight, significant ones. There's no point in being toxic 24/7 especially when you have 0 idea how making a videogame actually works.
Dorki has the rose tented glasses with seasonals . Yes when they hit they hit. But if it’s a bad affix you are stuck with it FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. Afflicted and incorp are bad affixes but atleast we only deal with it one week every now and then. S1 DF was looked at badly mainly cuz of how bad thundering was lol.
I'd rather be stuck with a bad seasonal the entire season than doing the same dungeon essentially the same way with very minor changes and nothing interesting happening. BRH is the same at 15 as it is at 25, and it's boring af.
@@zomgpeoplestolemname yeah and a shitty seasonal ruins the dungeon even more. Atleast BRH felt the same just more difficult numbers wise. With a seasonal that people can also fuck up more it just ruins the vibes even in 15s
They don’t need to cap M+ in heroic week. Heroic raids drop Hero track loot and the highest loot that drops from M+ is also Hero track. The only issue here is that people who pushed M+ will get one Myth track item in the following week, which I don’t think matters that much.
The reason why blizzard argues to cap m+ usually isn't any of what you are saying btw. They say to cap it because it's spammable, not because of the reward level as much
Im so happy that Templar just windmill dunks so hard. I cant wait to see how Herald of the Sun is gonna be. Honestly the WW rework and Templar give me some hope toward some of the other hero specs that seem eh or mid. EDIT AFTER DELVE TALK: Delves sound perfect for someone like my wife. She is a world quest and pet battle queen. She doesnt like raids, she reluctantly will do dungeons, she just wants to collect all the pretty things and run around at max level. For God's sake she single-handedly annihilated the anchorweed market on Stormrage in BFA because as a stay at home mom she can farm all day. Delves at the lower tiers sound like something right up her alley, just a fun little adventure thing to do while running around doing pet battles or whatever and honestly, im so hype for her. Even though its virtually useless for me (unless max tier/13th is like mage tower levels of awesome) im really glad players like her get a sick system to do neat adventures
They changed the mastery scaling which affects every spell, so it's clearly not tuned yet. The question is, are the buttons fun - and people who think fun=big number literally can't answer that question during alpha/beta cycles. It is important to remember, until the very late stages of beta, numbers do not mean anything at all.. especially in the LEVEL UP content lol.
@@DarkScreamGames I'm not even talking damage numbers. Just making stuff more impactful to press. Templar strike in retail as a 2 hit combo with a guaranteed crit feels so fun and that's what Templar is doing for Wake. It just looks so fun and flashy. The 2nd hit doing 80% of a dungeon mobs health is obviously not making it to live lmao Edit: for example, when you hit TV/FV on a mob it FEELS chunky like you just slammed them. That's how it's looking to shape up and that's really important to me. Remember when fury warrior just felt like swinging pool noodles even though you were doing turbo damage the sound design of the skills and animations just *felt* weak. Templar looks, to me, like it's gonna feel weighty and chunky and I'm all over that. I'll play a spec that does B or C tier damage if it feels awesome.
So excited to hear about the monk changes. My favorite class. I will never play a different main. I have ridden out some rough lows with that character because I still just love it more than anything else. So excited to finally get an update we need
I hope the Pandaria event showcases how great the mob design in Pandaria was. All of the mobs, specifically the elites, and especially on timeless isle did not auto attack you to death. Elite mobs all had specific sets of abilities that you need to respond to to easily kill them. For example: Pandararen Elites have two things you have to stop. Their heal and Chi Burst. You can also defensive the Chi Burst. They also had Spinning Crane Kick which you just moved out of or it killed you very quickly, but not instantly. So this singular mob taught you how to interrupt, use your defensives, and move out of fire and you could easily kill it with no gear if you did its mechanics properly. Timeless Isle has this. High Priest of Ordos are another perfect example of this. You kick their cauterize to stop their heal but if you missed it it wasnt that bad since it was temporary health. You had to kill the cauldron or their ground nuke one shot you and was way harder to dodge. They summoned meteors that could box you into a bad position. Pandaria has the best mob design of any expansion and I really hope they use it for Delves/future world content.
They can say that fated didn't replace a raid tier till they are blue in the face. We are still getting less raid tiers based on expansion time frames. This is probably them being "technically" correct. They planned on giving us less raids before fated ever existed.
35:00 Dorki is correct for me at least, give me content hard enough that it requires me to learn to play the class/spec better that I can do solo(to avoid being a burden in group content) and can not be out geared with M+ or Raid boosts. That's what I want from Delves but I doubt it will happen.
Warbound gear def affects race to world first gearing because buckets can have back up gear if they miss an item on one character but get it as a warbound item on another
Default UI defo needs customizable buff tracking (hopefully make isolated buff windows for certain buffs), and new nameplates... Also i wouldn't mind a place on the UI for debuffs on main target like Kingsbane or Rupture. (at least its help me when i just tab target through mobs and put up my dots on a pull)
I’m no longer a casual player and care a lot more about my IO and guild rank than my mount collection or transmog BUT warbands still make me so happy. I was happy enough to let it lie but the feeling of rerolling 3 times in DF and each one getting to ~20 renown with all the major factions was always a bit weird. Huge boon for altoholics like me and SUPER happy they’re applying it retroactively
You should be happy if you have 5 defensive's now and lose 1-3 of them. Its less for you to manage. It allows the game to get rid or reduce the number of 1 shots and it will make healers happier so hopefully you're not waiting 5-10+ minutes for a healer for M+ or raid.
I hope that delves are challenging enough to not be trivial. I dont need them to be mage tower hard. But things to avoid, more traps etc I really need. If the only challenge is above level 8 that kinda sucks. I want the progression for my gear to offer a challenge too. Again doesnt need to be mage tower difficult 8 and under. But it does need to offer more. Hopefully the traps and mobs escalate with each tier of difficulty. I want delves to be a legit form of progression that is fun and feels earned. You guys also arent the only ones saying they were entirely trivial in the level up experience. In order for this to be a pillar it does need to offer some progression. Otherwise its a world quest with extra steps
the warband alt gearing sounds like what arena healers enjoyed in season 2 & 3 already. If you grinded arena on a healer for a couple of weeks, then you could basically upgrade all gear of an alt to max level.
The new skyriding is actually slower than dragonriding. It's the same speed as we have in the old world But that's good at they can make zones slightly smaller and not be stuck with big zones forever New music always comes in like a month before release or so
Oooooooh this is a spicy but good take. And honestly I think kind or even further reiterates that the first season shud probly just be the 8 expansion dungeons logically
I might be an outlier because I'm a casual player who still loves this podcast, but I'm super excited for Delves. I've grown to really appreciate the RPG side of WoW and the world content. I see myself doing lots of Delves with some M+ and maybe a weekly raid thrown in. The warband addition is amazing, I can't wait to just be able to log in and choose whatever character I feel like playing that day
You're not alone in looking forward to Delves. I've done LFR twice since I quit raiding in Cata and I've never done a Mythic plus so I'm looking forward to content I can progress in. I'll get to open a great vault for the 1st time ever! lol
@@nobodynamedmatlock no flame just curiosity, if u dont do lfr or mythic+ at all and delves dont exist atm, what do you actively do in WoW? Just collect?
@@ThePolarpop I tend to bounce from game to game around content releases or just when I get a feeling to play a game after a while. I've been playing this game off and on since vanilla, quit raiding in Cata when it felt too much like a job (tank 3 in the 2nd largest guild in the world at the time) and that was the end of progressing group content for me. For the most part now in WoW, I enjoy leveling alts. I'll always have at least 1 of each race and at least 1 of each class on each faction. I wish I could prestige characters I've gotten to max level because I really like leveling when class reworks have occurred, it helps me learn how specs have changed a bit at a time. Pretty much open world, old content (solo or with a friend), and rare pvp grind if I want a pvp transmog set.
Delves are the biggest hype for me right now. They look so awesome and will definitely be my endgame main content! Now I only hope the hero talents will have a very awesome visualization on them
Pod hi - hot take, the raid rotation is a good thing for people that are trying to get into or back into the game for the next expansion. My friends and I didn't play the 2nd season very much, and we get to come back and have that raid be semi relevant content for a few months before the new xpac
For clarification on shamans tankiness coming into DF the three things they gained were Brimming with Life(8% max life), Ancesteral Defense(4% leech&avoidance), and elemental warding(4% magic DR). Earth elemental was nerfed from 40% maximum life to 15% maximum life and an additional nerf was added to elemental shamans(because fuck elemental shamans for some reason) where they had a second wall they could use if they had the upgraded elemental node. Shamans also already had nature's guardian, the heal below 35% life.
And it's so tragic because the only way to have an enhance at the highest level of keys season 1 eventually became have a babysitter for them like ignore pain lol
I want seasonal affixes back. Even the ones that weren’t as good, at least there was interesting ways to run some dungeons. I Would like a seasonal affix, 1 random affix, and the weekly rotation of tyrannical and fort.
Yeah even as a looe thundering hater for example I think it would have been 10x more bareable if there was only 1 random affix to deal with. Like i remember an early season 1 week that was tyrannical storming thundering and some other bullshit like grievous and the first boss of temple was literal hell..but if its ONLY storming then thats the worst case scenario and kind of okay and more manageable
Rogue-like in wow is still something i really believe in. It just has to go on forever. The cap should be impossible mobs or you becoming a god. I want to play risk of rain 2, just playing my monk instead
They definitely should tune content for mid-level seasonal iLvl and either a) slow down gearing by limiting the amount of crests you get or b) make myth track (or higher) gear something that isnt available for the first few weeks of the Season so we can gain some power to make the "farm-stage" content a lot more comfortable while still keeping the progression-stage challenging.
Max's comp to GRs from diablo makes me wonder... What if instead of having a pool of affixes that rotate, you just normalize affixes such that X number of packs are "afflicted" packs ( for example), but every dungeon has the same relative % of each affix represented in the trash? You'd have to find a different way to flavor the dungeons on a week to week basis (if you even need to) but I personally would much rather live in a world where it's normalized.
Instead of having all 8 new dungeons for an xpac being in season 3, they should be there in season 1. Season 2 and 3 should be four from the xpac and four old/remade ones. First season having all dungeons of the xpac makes more sense, and you then have the following season not being 8 new dungeons to learn for the player base, while still keeping the season fresh.
@keithb6344 Some changes are better than no changes. And some players aren't as good as you, that they are able to easily pick up 8 new dungeons. Remember, you used to have 8 dungeons for the whole xpac. Meeting somewhere in the middle is a good compromise. Many people are already not wanting to play this last season bc its the same raids and dungeons they have already seen this xpac. You can't please everyone, but that doesn't mean you can't try to making the most of what you got for the majority of the player base.
@keithb6344 what sounds worse. 2 seasons where you've seen 50% of the dungeons or 1 season where you've seen 100% of the dungeons. Both equal 100%, some will prefer the first option and some the other. No matter what, there isn't a third so pick your poison.
min 56:55: "dk is already tanky" - goes in fortified 22 and gets 2 shot by mobs while pulling....All other tanks are tankier than dk cus they got shield with block chance
its very cool to see your character glow or something pop when some buff proc, until you go to raid, need to stack with 19 other players and every single player spell stacks on top of everybody and suddenly you cant see shit :) Now, if there was an option to hide other friendly players spells in raid and keep only my spells and boss spells visible for me, I would prefer visual indicator of proc over auras.
Yo, keep up the good work! Regarding affixes, what would make more sense? 1) Doubling down on Greater Rift style and not have affixes for a week, but make Elite packs with different affixes, analogue some D3/D4 ones like Molten, Arcane lasers, Traps, definitely absolutely no reflect dmg. I realize this would be a bitch to balance, there would have to be hard cap for max vault key lvl difficulty on most of the affixes ... but it would make routing interesting, especially if different classes would have different tools for different packs ( to avoid god comps ). Shuffling "elites" week to week or key to key, although key to key would complicate MDI routing, but for that you can just prearrange packs in the TR keys. 2) Keep Tyra and Forti for week to week mixup, add just one major weekly affix, that would be an important minigame which you solve and get a buff or another routing option. For example dispeling bursting would give your group dmg/heal/main stat buff based on dispelled stacks ( capped so single dispel healers are not at a disadvantage to priests and monks ). This would help with surviving the rest of the bursting, make chainpulling or killing an obnoxious mob that you skip on other weeks possible and at the high end pulling trash into bosses would be rewarding. Bolstering mobs would explode on death on the other mobs, so if the tank can survive a big bolster mob into the next pack and blow it up. ( Cap dmg on bosses or just make bosses immune to it ). Awakened pylons, Encrypted invis style trash traversals. Tormented/Shrouded style Elites that reward you power that you can pull for additional % and power or not pull them if you cant survive/kill them which wouldnt make the rest of the dungeon harder like the boss auras did for Tormented. Affix to affix would still make week to week different, balacing would we as usual very crucial to eliminate push weeks, but having a reward for solving the affix would in my mind make every week something to look forward to and not dreading "what garbage do i have to deal with this week". A lot of this was what seasonal affixes did and it boggles my mind they decided to move away from the positive and negative affixes against one another. The loudest argument is "play the dungeon and no the affix" but to that point 3) Just remove all affixes and make intricate dungeons that stand on their own. Difficulty scaling with just the key level. To me this would make every season stale very fast without any week to week spice.
Keeping a couple dungeons in between seasons can increase barrier to entry because a lot of the community already knows it then people get pissy if you don’t know every last thing you’re supposed to do week 1
As someone who spam pugged season 1 3 and 4 m+ dungeons and to a fairly high level this has never one time ever happened to me. It's usually "you have to X with that" "ah shit mb didnt know worked that way". In my experience 95% of the time the cause of scenarios like you mention is because of deflection and defensiveness when mentioned.
I understand general consensus seems to be negative about fated for the reason dratnos describes, but one thing I haven't heard you guys mention is the benefits of faded for returning players Season 3 of dragonfly saw a large population of returning players, myself included. I'm personally quite excited for fated since it gives me an opportunity to play the content that I missed.
38:10 I get what they got for Delves was probably boring (obviously by their reaction it was) but not only was this a preview, it was level 2. I can’t imagine level 2 of an open world instance would be very difficult. Especially if it goes to 11!!!!
I don't hate fated, I hate the rotation of fated. Why can't all three raids be available all season? This way a guild can prog one and move onto the next. The weekly thing is a feature without value.
Why dont they add more mech or affix for higher keys +25 rather than having mob and boss doing more dmg/one shots just make it impossible for certain classes to play. It would make it harder and different in a good way.
I wish they would make dungeons more like Vamp Survivors, not so much the powers and stuff, but the density and health of everything. Be nice if everything wasn't a meatshield pack one after the next.
Dorki complaining about having to play the same dragonflight dungeons again in season 4, but then complains about them changing dungeons from old expansions so they don't have to be the same..
He complains about the specific changes and way they make changes not just changing. For example HoV is mostly positive changes..but things like Atals last boss change just ruined the dungeon for a lot of people eventually
Torghast had levels and modes you didnt need to do for power. we're getting into past revisionism. You didnt even have to do torghast beyond the 2 per week for leggos
The will just release heroic a week early and m+ and mythic will be released together. As far as dungeons having affixes where people only log for raid is tough
I'm so ok with seasonal affixes being gone, dungeons dont need that much spicing up is their base design is already developed enough, when you have 2 interrupts 3 stuns dispells and all that shit already happening in a dungeon with trash you dont need to throw in extra stuff to deal with, if they want a seasonal affix i wouldnt mind it replacing the weekly ones thou for a more constant experience in the season itself because i would rather have a permanent version of encrypted to deal with for a whole expac every week then entangled or afflicted, bolstering and sanguine, and the other affixes we have on a rotating schedule
Exactly. It's awful. It should at least not replace mythic of the current tier. It takes great content (for everyone who is not done progressing - which is most people) and replaces it with fuck all. Just so we can farm bosses for 3 extra months. No thanks.
Ok, affix cook. Each key you get the regular tyran/fort on keys, but the keys only guarantee 1 loot if you succeed, 0 if you fail. You can then choose to apply up to 4 affixes (the 4th being the opposite of tyran/fort). Each guarantees 1 (up to 5 guaranteed on a pass/4 on fail) more loot and the 3 non-fort/tyran change each week.
Don't just remove defensives. Take them off of the GCD. I wouldn't hate having to press all my mage defensives if they weren't all a dps loss to use. You can take Greater Invis and Mirror Image. Let me keep Alter Time and Ice Cold.
if we remove some defensive abilities (not all) there won't be a reason to press the ones you do have because content will have to deal overall less damage. which will let you keep hitting your offensive abilities.
1:17:09 Dorki: "Yeah, we're family friendly, you know"
1:17:19 Also Dorki: "One thing that's criminal about the UI: you can't drag windows, what the FUCK"
Please keep poddy C up. You guys are my favorite voices in the community. Subscribed to all three of you
Agreed.
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Thank you for time stamping max's dog eating his own foot.
This is what separates the good editors from the great.
I honestly miss something they did very well in late BFA... Nazjatar and mechagon outdoor content was LIT. I remember turning on war mode and watching groups of 70 players blasting eachother regularly over some bridge in nazjatar. I remember going to mechagon, opening up general chat, and watching people work together to find and share rares. Same with some of the pvp/wqs during corruption patch. Those things made the game feel like an mmo, and gave something to do when m+ or raid isn't happening.
Regarding affixes it's clear that the community and the devs are speaking about two different things when we talk about seasonal affixes. They just hear seasonal when we really mean kiss/curse or interactive
As a bartender that Meadery dungeon is like a wet dream its honestly THE BEST DUNGEON IN THE GAME.
No joke the Mistweaver Monk rework is some of the best design I've ever seen in a MMO, full stop. Super inspired, great choices. Everything the Mistweaver community has been asking for so many years and so much more. Whoever worked on this need a raise stat!
I pray shadow priest is good
I know! I am beyond hyped for TWW just for these MW changes. My main will feel even better!
Fist weave good??
No need for raise. That should've been done years ago. Rather fine all previous devs.
@@miraage It could have been done wrong but they did it right. We had improvements in dragonflight, significant ones. There's no point in being toxic 24/7 especially when you have 0 idea how making a videogame actually works.
Dorki has the rose tented glasses with seasonals . Yes when they hit they hit. But if it’s a bad affix you are stuck with it FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. Afflicted and incorp are bad affixes but atleast we only deal with it one week every now and then. S1 DF was looked at badly mainly cuz of how bad thundering was lol.
I'd rather be stuck with a bad seasonal the entire season than doing the same dungeon essentially the same way with very minor changes and nothing interesting happening. BRH is the same at 15 as it is at 25, and it's boring af.
@@zomgpeoplestolemname yeah and a shitty seasonal ruins the dungeon even more. Atleast BRH felt the same just more difficult numbers wise. With a seasonal that people can also fuck up more it just ruins the vibes even in 15s
dorki is a factory for bad takes :(
They don’t need to cap M+ in heroic week. Heroic raids drop Hero track loot and the highest loot that drops from M+ is also Hero track. The only issue here is that people who pushed M+ will get one Myth track item in the following week, which I don’t think matters that much.
The reason why blizzard argues to cap m+ usually isn't any of what you are saying btw. They say to cap it because it's spammable, not because of the reward level as much
Best feeling of your character about to pump was getting deathbringer will proc in Wotlk. Bring this back more
Im so happy that Templar just windmill dunks so hard. I cant wait to see how Herald of the Sun is gonna be.
Honestly the WW rework and Templar give me some hope toward some of the other hero specs that seem eh or mid.
EDIT AFTER DELVE TALK: Delves sound perfect for someone like my wife. She is a world quest and pet battle queen. She doesnt like raids, she reluctantly will do dungeons, she just wants to collect all the pretty things and run around at max level. For God's sake she single-handedly annihilated the anchorweed market on Stormrage in BFA because as a stay at home mom she can farm all day.
Delves at the lower tiers sound like something right up her alley, just a fun little adventure thing to do while running around doing pet battles or whatever and honestly, im so hype for her. Even though its virtually useless for me (unless max tier/13th is like mage tower levels of awesome) im really glad players like her get a sick system to do neat adventures
They changed the mastery scaling which affects every spell, so it's clearly not tuned yet. The question is, are the buttons fun - and people who think fun=big number literally can't answer that question during alpha/beta cycles.
It is important to remember, until the very late stages of beta, numbers do not mean anything at all.. especially in the LEVEL UP content lol.
@@DarkScreamGames I'm not even talking damage numbers. Just making stuff more impactful to press. Templar strike in retail as a 2 hit combo with a guaranteed crit feels so fun and that's what Templar is doing for Wake. It just looks so fun and flashy. The 2nd hit doing 80% of a dungeon mobs health is obviously not making it to live lmao
Edit: for example, when you hit TV/FV on a mob it FEELS chunky like you just slammed them. That's how it's looking to shape up and that's really important to me. Remember when fury warrior just felt like swinging pool noodles even though you were doing turbo damage the sound design of the skills and animations just *felt* weak. Templar looks, to me, like it's gonna feel weighty and chunky and I'm all over that. I'll play a spec that does B or C tier damage if it feels awesome.
So excited to hear about the monk changes. My favorite class. I will never play a different main. I have ridden out some rough lows with that character because I still just love it more than anything else. So excited to finally get an update we need
I doubled checked my calendar to make sure one whole week hasn't passed.... And then heard the surprise at the start! 👌👌
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Oribos-misery-airport thing sums up my feelings so perfectly XD
blizzard keeps trying to make throw glaive a button you want to press on dh and it just never feels good
Poody Goodbye? Come on Max, be professional. The obvious outro is "Poddy Cya"
I hope the Pandaria event showcases how great the mob design in Pandaria was. All of the mobs, specifically the elites, and especially on timeless isle did not auto attack you to death. Elite mobs all had specific sets of abilities that you need to respond to to easily kill them. For example:
Pandararen Elites have two things you have to stop. Their heal and Chi Burst. You can also defensive the Chi Burst.
They also had Spinning Crane Kick which you just moved out of or it killed you very quickly, but not instantly.
So this singular mob taught you how to interrupt, use your defensives, and move out of fire and you could easily kill it with no gear if you did its mechanics properly.
Timeless Isle has this. High Priest of Ordos are another perfect example of this. You kick their cauterize to stop their heal but if you missed it it wasnt that bad since it was temporary health. You had to kill the cauldron or their ground nuke one shot you and was way harder to dodge. They summoned meteors that could box you into a bad position.
Pandaria has the best mob design of any expansion and I really hope they use it for Delves/future world content.
They can say that fated didn't replace a raid tier till they are blue in the face. We are still getting less raid tiers based on expansion time frames.
This is probably them being "technically" correct. They planned on giving us less raids before fated ever existed.
Dratnos’ desire to make Fronks life hard is respectable.
rotating dungeons are great but we NEED all 8 war within dungeons in season 1 please
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35:00 Dorki is correct for me at least, give me content hard enough that it requires me to learn to play the class/spec better that I can do solo(to avoid being a burden in group content) and can not be out geared with M+ or Raid boosts. That's what I want from Delves but I doubt it will happen.
I'm imagining that final raid boss to be a reverse Blackhand
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Max's dogs the stars of the show.
Warbound gear def affects race to world first gearing because buckets can have back up gear if they miss an item on one character but get it as a warbound item on another
Dorky did nail that word
Default UI defo needs customizable buff tracking (hopefully make isolated buff windows for certain buffs), and new nameplates... Also i wouldn't mind a place on the UI for debuffs on main target like Kingsbane or Rupture. (at least its help me when i just tab target through mobs and put up my dots on a pull)
Better blizz frames let's u whitelist/blacklist buffs and a ton of other random things that are useful
The last time there was a M+ cap, the gear drops didn’t scale to +20 so the +6 dratnos refers to doesn’t really make sense
I’m no longer a casual player and care a lot more about my IO and guild rank than my mount collection or transmog BUT warbands still make me so happy. I was happy enough to let it lie but the feeling of rerolling 3 times in DF and each one getting to ~20 renown with all the major factions was always a bit weird. Huge boon for altoholics like me and SUPER happy they’re applying it retroactively
Always remember to thank your editor before you get off the bus
You should be happy if you have 5 defensive's now and lose 1-3 of them. Its less for you to manage. It allows the game to get rid or reduce the number of 1 shots and it will make healers happier so hopefully you're not waiting 5-10+ minutes for a healer for M+ or raid.
I hope that delves are challenging enough to not be trivial. I dont need them to be mage tower hard. But things to avoid, more traps etc I really need. If the only challenge is above level 8 that kinda sucks. I want the progression for my gear to offer a challenge too. Again doesnt need to be mage tower difficult 8 and under. But it does need to offer more. Hopefully the traps and mobs escalate with each tier of difficulty.
I want delves to be a legit form of progression that is fun and feels earned.
You guys also arent the only ones saying they were entirely trivial in the level up experience. In order for this to be a pillar it does need to offer some progression. Otherwise its a world quest with extra steps
Wow, what a poddy suprise
Their improvement to Delves just sounded like torgast kinda
the warband alt gearing sounds like what arena healers enjoyed in season 2 & 3 already. If you grinded arena on a healer for a couple of weeks, then you could basically upgrade all gear of an alt to max level.
The new skyriding is actually slower than dragonriding. It's the same speed as we have in the old world
But that's good at they can make zones slightly smaller and not be stuck with big zones forever
New music always comes in like a month before release or so
There should be a Mythic 0 of the season's M+ rotation, especially if we are jumping to current +10/12 at +2
Oooooooh this is a spicy but good take. And honestly I think kind or even further reiterates that the first season shud probly just be the 8 expansion dungeons logically
the awkward delve triple pause deserves an oscar 😂😂😂
I might be an outlier because I'm a casual player who still loves this podcast, but I'm super excited for Delves. I've grown to really appreciate the RPG side of WoW and the world content. I see myself doing lots of Delves with some M+ and maybe a weekly raid thrown in. The warband addition is amazing, I can't wait to just be able to log in and choose whatever character I feel like playing that day
You're not alone in looking forward to Delves. I've done LFR twice since I quit raiding in Cata and I've never done a Mythic plus so I'm looking forward to content I can progress in. I'll get to open a great vault for the 1st time ever! lol
@@nobodynamedmatlock no flame just curiosity, if u dont do lfr or mythic+ at all and delves dont exist atm, what do you actively do in WoW? Just collect?
@@ThePolarpop I tend to bounce from game to game around content releases or just when I get a feeling to play a game after a while. I've been playing this game off and on since vanilla, quit raiding in Cata when it felt too much like a job (tank 3 in the 2nd largest guild in the world at the time) and that was the end of progressing group content for me. For the most part now in WoW, I enjoy leveling alts. I'll always have at least 1 of each race and at least 1 of each class on each faction. I wish I could prestige characters I've gotten to max level because I really like leveling when class reworks have occurred, it helps me learn how specs have changed a bit at a time. Pretty much open world, old content (solo or with a friend), and rare pvp grind if I want a pvp transmog set.
Delves are the biggest hype for me right now. They look so awesome and will definitely be my endgame main content! Now I only hope the hero talents will have a very awesome visualization on them
Pod hi - hot take, the raid rotation is a good thing for people that are trying to get into or back into the game for the next expansion. My friends and I didn't play the 2nd season very much, and we get to come back and have that raid be semi relevant content for a few months before the new xpac
For clarification on shamans tankiness coming into DF the three things they gained were Brimming with Life(8% max life), Ancesteral Defense(4% leech&avoidance), and elemental warding(4% magic DR). Earth elemental was nerfed from 40% maximum life to 15% maximum life and an additional nerf was added to elemental shamans(because fuck elemental shamans for some reason) where they had a second wall they could use if they had the upgraded elemental node. Shamans also already had nature's guardian, the heal below 35% life.
And it's so tragic because the only way to have an enhance at the highest level of keys season 1 eventually became have a babysitter for them like ignore pain lol
I want seasonal affixes back. Even the ones that weren’t as good, at least there was interesting ways to run some dungeons. I Would like a seasonal affix, 1 random affix, and the weekly rotation of tyrannical and fort.
Yeah even as a looe thundering hater for example I think it would have been 10x more bareable if there was only 1 random affix to deal with. Like i remember an early season 1 week that was tyrannical storming thundering and some other bullshit like grievous and the first boss of temple was literal hell..but if its ONLY storming then thats the worst case scenario and kind of okay and more manageable
Rogue-like in wow is still something i really believe in. It just has to go on forever. The cap should be impossible mobs or you becoming a god. I want to play risk of rain 2, just playing my monk instead
44:50. I like how they always meme about Sennarth.
I quit playing in legion and just came back in dragon flight what is heroic week? I don’t remember that if it was in legion
They definitely should tune content for mid-level seasonal iLvl and either a) slow down gearing by limiting the amount of crests you get or b) make myth track (or higher) gear something that isnt available for the first few weeks of the Season so we can gain some power to make the "farm-stage" content a lot more comfortable while still keeping the progression-stage challenging.
Lower crest cap per week a little, remove flightstones entirely, ez job done. Now just need crests to somehow become alt wide or something..
Excited. Already prepurchased.
Thanks guys!
14:00 the cute puppy ear flops is honestly bis.
Max's comp to GRs from diablo makes me wonder...
What if instead of having a pool of affixes that rotate, you just normalize affixes such that X number of packs are "afflicted" packs ( for example), but every dungeon has the same relative % of each affix represented in the trash?
You'd have to find a different way to flavor the dungeons on a week to week basis (if you even need to) but I personally would much rather live in a world where it's normalized.
Instead of having all 8 new dungeons for an xpac being in season 3, they should be there in season 1. Season 2 and 3 should be four from the xpac and four old/remade ones.
First season having all dungeons of the xpac makes more sense, and you then have the following season not being 8 new dungeons to learn for the player base, while still keeping the season fresh.
So season 2 we get to do 4 dungeons we’ve already been doing 6 months. Yay.
@keithb6344 Some changes are better than no changes. And some players aren't as good as you, that they are able to easily pick up 8 new dungeons. Remember, you used to have 8 dungeons for the whole xpac. Meeting somewhere in the middle is a good compromise.
Many people are already not wanting to play this last season bc its the same raids and dungeons they have already seen this xpac. You can't please everyone, but that doesn't mean you can't try to making the most of what you got for the majority of the player base.
@keithb6344 what sounds worse. 2 seasons where you've seen 50% of the dungeons or 1 season where you've seen 100% of the dungeons. Both equal 100%, some will prefer the first option and some the other. No matter what, there isn't a third so pick your poison.
Heroic dungeon BIS list for the first week again pog
min 56:55: "dk is already tanky" - goes in fortified 22 and gets 2 shot by mobs while pulling....All other tanks are tankier than dk cus they got shield with block chance
Where tf is merchandise for this podcast?! Love yall
Just sell shirts that are just the edited dorki background pictures
These content creators that say would you rather have fated or not and just have extended season are ignorant to the fact it wouldn’t be like that.
its very cool to see your character glow or something pop when some buff proc, until you go to raid, need to stack with 19 other players and every single player spell stacks on top of everybody and suddenly you cant see shit :)
Now, if there was an option to hide other friendly players spells in raid and keep only my spells and boss spells visible for me, I would prefer visual indicator of proc over auras.
Yo, keep up the good work!
Regarding affixes, what would make more sense?
1) Doubling down on Greater Rift style and not have affixes for a week, but make Elite packs with different affixes, analogue some D3/D4 ones like Molten, Arcane lasers, Traps, definitely absolutely no reflect dmg. I realize this would be a bitch to balance, there would have to be hard cap for max vault key lvl difficulty on most of the affixes ... but it would make routing interesting, especially if different classes would have different tools for different packs ( to avoid god comps ). Shuffling "elites" week to week or key to key, although key to key would complicate MDI routing, but for that you can just prearrange packs in the TR keys.
2) Keep Tyra and Forti for week to week mixup, add just one major weekly affix, that would be an important minigame which you solve and get a buff or another routing option. For example dispeling bursting would give your group dmg/heal/main stat buff based on dispelled stacks ( capped so single dispel healers are not at a disadvantage to priests and monks ). This would help with surviving the rest of the bursting, make chainpulling or killing an obnoxious mob that you skip on other weeks possible and at the high end pulling trash into bosses would be rewarding. Bolstering mobs would explode on death on the other mobs, so if the tank can survive a big bolster mob into the next pack and blow it up. ( Cap dmg on bosses or just make bosses immune to it ). Awakened pylons, Encrypted invis style trash traversals. Tormented/Shrouded style Elites that reward you power that you can pull for additional % and power or not pull them if you cant survive/kill them which wouldnt make the rest of the dungeon harder like the boss auras did for Tormented. Affix to affix would still make week to week different, balacing would we as usual very crucial to eliminate push weeks, but having a reward for solving the affix would in my mind make every week something to look forward to and not dreading "what garbage do i have to deal with this week".
A lot of this was what seasonal affixes did and it boggles my mind they decided to move away from the positive and negative affixes against one another. The loudest argument is "play the dungeon and no the affix" but to that point 3) Just remove all affixes and make intricate dungeons that stand on their own. Difficulty scaling with just the key level. To me this would make every season stale very fast without any week to week spice.
You all hated seasonal affixes when we had them, now you all want them back 😅
Keeping a couple dungeons in between seasons can increase barrier to entry because a lot of the community already knows it then people get pissy if you don’t know every last thing you’re supposed to do week 1
As someone who spam pugged season 1 3 and 4 m+ dungeons and to a fairly high level this has never one time ever happened to me. It's usually "you have to X with that" "ah shit mb didnt know worked that way". In my experience 95% of the time the cause of scenarios like you mention is because of deflection and defensiveness when mentioned.
Somewhat casual here, not changing every dungeon per season sounds absolutely dreadful. New season, new pool is the way to go.
Instead of a season 4 fated would you guys rather have something like pulling 3-5 old bosses from previous raid and make a mini raid tier?
Why is Dratnos' beard looking sick asf hot dang
If there was any time for them to bring back 2h enh... THIS is that time (hard cope)
I understand general consensus seems to be negative about fated for the reason dratnos describes, but one thing I haven't heard you guys mention is the benefits of faded for returning players
Season 3 of dragonfly saw a large population of returning players, myself included. I'm personally quite excited for fated since it gives me an opportunity to play the content that I missed.
Same! 👍
Same here 🔥
What’s the war within abbreviated to?
There is a PVP battle behind max
38:10 I get what they got for Delves was probably boring (obviously by their reaction it was) but not only was this a preview, it was level 2. I can’t imagine level 2 of an open world instance would be very difficult. Especially if it goes to 11!!!!
I don't hate fated, I hate the rotation of fated. Why can't all three raids be available all season? This way a guild can prog one and move onto the next. The weekly thing is a feature without value.
Why dont they add more mech or affix for higher keys +25 rather than having mob and boss doing more dmg/one shots just make it impossible for certain classes to play. It would make it harder and different in a good way.
BRD was the best dungeon ever made
I wish they would make dungeons more like Vamp Survivors, not so much the powers and stuff, but the density and health of everything. Be nice if everything wasn't a meatshield pack one after the next.
Dratnos: S1 should have only new dungeons
Yeah!
Here's the list of S1 dungeons:
Oh no....
The Great Dane was the actual star of the show 😂
Sennarth as a end boss
Dorki complaining about having to play the same dragonflight dungeons again in season 4, but then complains about them changing dungeons from old expansions so they don't have to be the same..
He complains about the specific changes and way they make changes not just changing. For example HoV is mostly positive changes..but things like Atals last boss change just ruined the dungeon for a lot of people eventually
Torghast had levels and modes you didnt need to do for power. we're getting into past revisionism. You didnt even have to do torghast beyond the 2 per week for leggos
as i understood from other interviews heroic week is only for Season 1.
Why not positive affixes, instead of what crap do we deal with this week we get what fun affix do we get.
Will there be a Nerubian Queen map room displate?
dratnos been in the gym?????
Just look at his gyatt
I honestly think we need to go to a fort/tryan positive affix then negative affix and just make it fun
I am a hyper casual but if delves are just killing questmobs then fuck that.
LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!
I’m in the just remove affix boat and make it scale harder
The will just release heroic a week early and m+ and mythic will be released together.
As far as dungeons having affixes where people only log for raid is tough
I really really fucking hope this isnt what they do
I'm not about to get tricked again into getting hyp...oh nonononononono
No trick homie, world soul saga is gonna be great
Didnt PoddyC this coming
I'm so ok with seasonal affixes being gone, dungeons dont need that much spicing up is their base design is already developed enough, when you have 2 interrupts 3 stuns dispells and all that shit already happening in a dungeon with trash you dont need to throw in extra stuff to deal with, if they want a seasonal affix i wouldnt mind it replacing the weekly ones thou for a more constant experience in the season itself because i would rather have a permanent version of encrypted to deal with for a whole expac every week then entangled or afflicted, bolstering and sanguine, and the other affixes we have on a rotating schedule
I saved Blizzard the effort and just deleted my enhancement shaman
Lmaoooooo why?!
They cut my raid tier short and now I'm at 8/9M and have to do old raids again instead, just to keep my guild alive. Fuck fated.
Exactly. It's awful. It should at least not replace mythic of the current tier. It takes great content (for everyone who is not done progressing - which is most people) and replaces it with fuck all. Just so we can farm bosses for 3 extra months. No thanks.
Make the crest farm less cancerous. By making drop rate per charact above x ilvl increase drops by 100%
Ok, affix cook. Each key you get the regular tyran/fort on keys, but the keys only guarantee 1 loot if you succeed, 0 if you fail. You can then choose to apply up to 4 affixes (the 4th being the opposite of tyran/fort). Each guarantees 1 (up to 5 guaranteed on a pass/4 on fail) more loot and the 3 non-fort/tyran change each week.
creates another problem of people being forced into 4 affixes even if they don't want to do it. what you just cooked was the anti-pug idea
No stream till Wednesday was, "I"m playing ALPHA HEHE xdd" to me
Don't just remove defensives. Take them off of the GCD. I wouldn't hate having to press all my mage defensives if they weren't all a dps loss to use. You can take Greater Invis and Mirror Image. Let me keep Alter Time and Ice Cold.
if we remove some defensive abilities (not all) there won't be a reason to press the ones you do have because content will have to deal overall less damage. which will let you keep hitting your offensive abilities.
Why would you not think delves would get harder? There is 9 more tiers and most of them aren't unlocked til you're max level?
They do get harder, but stop rewarding anything but cosmetics after level 2 apparently.
Blizzard really making me wait for enhance hero talents
Wow news is popping off way too hard right now like gawd damn can't keep up with all this. I love it though
Dorki face reveal when
Earth ele, possibly the dumbest long cd spell in the game