This is what makes RUclips absolutely amazing. An average Pakistani, who might not even know what economics is, where Princeton University is, what phd stands for, is directly benefiting from the knowledge of a Princeton professor, a world renowned economist talking about issues an average Pakistani is facing every day
@@thoughtfulpakistan9769 Idnetifying the problems is the first step towards solving a solution. Moreover he has provided many solutions in the past. Just follow his Twitter, tons of conferences, blogs and interviews. Don't judge him based on this one interview. Thanks
The more I listen to experts the more I realize that our elite, our judiciary, our bureaucracy, our army, our politicians and specially the establishment are just incompetent. Anyone in the position of power in Pakistan just cannot do the most basic things right.
They are not incompetent. Rather, they have vested interests in the way things are running and are its beneficiaries and they protect their gains very competently
@@veenjharmemon8097 I think they are a mixture of both. They lack competence as well as the will to change the course of things. Only if they were half as smart as they are now, they would be doing things slightly better to avoid the disaster that Pakistan is moving towards at such a fast pace.
@@veenjharmemon8097 can’t agree more. They are competent but want to use their competence in protecting and enhancing their vested interests. But then their acts actually deprive the 22 crores Pakistanis of their basic necessities of life.
This is called myopic thinking and getting the low hanging fruit. But as someone wise said there is a cost to everything and this cost is paid by the common man!.
Never ever in my life have I ever listened to an economy podcast for more than five minutes until today when I came to this podcast. 2 hours of listening to this gem uninterrupted. This man needs to be here in Pakistan. He must be made the Finance Minister and be given full authority to take whatever decisions are needed at this level so that our economy can be put on the right track.
And totally impressed with Shehzad's hosting skills I must say. I'm his staunch critique on Twitter but here I'd appreciate him for not beating about the bush like many hosts. He exactly knew what he was going to ask from Atif Mian.
Mian Atif: He was chosen by Imran Khan for the Economic Advisory Council in July 2018 but was gone by the end of August 2018 because all parties and people of Pakistan rejected him because he is an Ahmedi (declared NOn-Muslims in 1973 Constitution)
@@hotchukki And who is the man or the government judging who is a Muslim and who is not? the shirk in Islam says everyone has the right a Muslim must not hurt another person what are you doing? Hate speech and offended is that Islamic? islam teaches us to spread love and not hate you have been brainwashed by the mullahs
@@mominbajwa9221 baytaa i think you reacted instead of understanding. My point was to state a fact to a request by someone that why can't Atif Mian be there serving Pakistan, i agree. In your haste you forgot that anyone has a right to call themselves musaluman, only GOD decides. Those who enacted the clause in the constitution Ahmedis as Non Muslums claimed they were GOD like. That was unislamic, as written there is no compulsion in religion. The munafiqat happened. I disagree with Atif Mian on some points but he would have served Pakistan well and honestly, bless him. Next time READ-LISTEN whats said baytaa, best wishes
@@alymurtza actually you people must also become liberal as soon as possible ..forget Kashmir now that matter is CLOSED ..atleast take care of your 5 highly natural enriched provinces properly . I know religion is important but more important is Life and life style , when this two entities are healthy then only you can follow the religion to the fullest and in a effective way !
This podcast is just brilliant. Every single word said by Mr. Atif is has pure gold. Every Indian & pakistani must listen him once. I am really become fan of him, looking forward to next time him on this podcast. Thanks Mr. Shahzad for inviting him.
You bring one hundred excellently economists, everyone of them will be frustrated by our civil servants. Pakistan is not a country that is civil, normal and wants to improve. It is the people in control don’t want poor people to improve their social. This is going on since 1950s. Some people want be in control, even if the don’t know the job. If they are not in job, they play hell with the social structure and he play hell with the country too.
Bullet points of the interview 1) Population out of control 2) Woman out of economy 3) Productivity is main issue 4) Elite in non-productive sector in real estate pulling common men resources 5) Unequal growth process 6) We creating wrong demand 7) Politicians need to grow 8) Currency devaluation is your productivity issue 9) Getting liquidity from IMF etc is not your solution 10) Competent people with resources and empowering them 11) Our decisions are really broken 12) GDP is no concern with remittances, So promote productivity/growth instead of remittances. GDP = Consumption + Investment + Government Spending + Net Exports (GDP = C + I + G + NX) 13) Land tax can solve class inequality in Pakistan 14) Asking questions should be encouraged 15) Low tax collection reason is amnesty govt offers every time 16) What Pak can seek from India is building domestic capacity 17) In politics, criticise other but don’t cross the limit
@@azharyousaf8816 I dont need to do research for intellectual discussion in pakistan, everything is available in open. And yes this is open social platform, I know my rights what to write and what not. It looks like I pointed out deep wound here, leading to such abusive replies from you.
I’m hearing this guy Dr Atif Mian from Princeton University. I’m sooo lucky. He’s really a beautiful mind. I don’t think Pakistani are unable to get this great economist because of our corrupt politicians and establishment. We’re corrupt as a Pakistani 😢😢😢
Excellent discussion. Greetings from India. I am surprised how Pakistan is not able to utilize the diaspora. It is sad the country is going to implosion
@@RP027 well what profit us pak nose is just above water..if drown we will have nuclear Syria on our border or if strong enough we would have same 1980-90 problem in kashmir
Brilliant 2hrs listening, deep thinking by Mian Atif, thank you. A NOTE: Mian Atif: He was chosen by Imran Khan for the Economic Advisory Council in July 2018 but was gone by the end of August 2018 because all parties and people of Pakistan rejected him because he is an Ahmedi (declared NOn-Muslims in 1973 Constitution)
Atif mian, always looking forward to listen to him. Extremely well accomplished academic, well grounded and very humble person. Also biggest misfortune of our country is we fail benefit from people like him
What a superb discussion. Atif Mian is a financial wizard and I will strongly recommend him to be an executive adviser to the prime minister of Pakistan and finally promoted as a full fledged minister with full powers. The problem of Pakistan is the strong mafias sitting in the parliament and the military inc. who will not accept any decisions or actions against their interests.
Already watched it twice, and for sure will be watching it several times more as there is so much knowledge and reality in this podcast. Thank you for inviting him!
For once an actual useful and academic podcast. Where Atif being a thorough professional side stepped any rhetorical political bends and focused on his area of expertise. Proud to be a namesake 😃!
this Podcast/Video Needs to be Studied in every School/College to our KIDS. Atif Mian Has Some Serious Knowledge and a VISION to truly make a Mark for PAKISTAN on the GLOBE. its about time our people understand and realize how Countires are Made
Honor to listen to this gentleman. How simple and to the point explanation of our holy land issues and solution. We need mentor and expert like him. Thank you for this excellent podcast
Thank you Shahzad for organizing a session with Sir. Atif Mian. He is like a living master plan that our country is deprived of. It was so nice to hear from him with unbiased opinions based on facts. I think you should bring him more often in your podcast to talk about more details towards improvement.
Atif Sahib gave an amazing example of the India and pakistan on the libralization of the IT, when I ran the outsourcing for Nortel and EMC on the development front, I eneded up taking the 2500+ jobs to India and expended into China, mexico and Russia. While being a Pakistani I favored Pakistan, yet during my assesment of Pakistan against what other countries (mentioned earlier ) Pakistan just could not compete. Infrastructure, corruption, work ethics, safty, language, too much mullahisam, ease of travel, legal barriers on creating a IT zoned areas, equipment taxes etc etc. Pakistan has too many issues. if you listen to Atif Sahib carefully , one can easily come to what needs to be done to fix this country, but I doubt we have the required leadership with the vision.
What's the future of Indian it industry after the increased digital and financial inclusion...also now India is one market after gst.. what's your take..(plz i hope you give genuine answer without just saying facism of moodi)
@@abhaypatel4292 Have you had a chance to read this report. If not please do. www.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/documents/15396/mSTAR_IndiaDFI_Report_DRAFT_FINAL.pdf If not satisfied with the finding, we can discuss further.
@@fsckool6894 Mate, Execution,Execution & Execution optimisation was done by PM Modi. When UPI digitalization was launched in 2016. Former Congress finannce minister Chidambaram said, "There are no smartphone electricity or wifi in villages how will people use them. Many people don't have bank account. Small shopkeepers don't have internet how do you think they will use UPI and try to become part of your Digital India." Chidambaram was not mocking the government he was telling the reality. Today everyone uses UPI from small shopkeepers to big brands. Also it should be known that India has the fastest growing e commerece market. 80% of the transactions are made using UPI. In few years UPI will cross one billion transactions. It is revolution and the government is improving it to provide service through digital payments. UPI is also used in Nepal,Bangladesh and is going to launch in more countries. PM Modi proved former finance minister Chidambaram wrong within few years.
Although I find myself in disagreement with most of your opinions, but I appreciate that you're doing such academic discussions. Because we, as a society, have stopped discussing problems, we only play blame games. So this is great to see. Keep up the great work and keep asking questions
It was an absolute treat listening to atif mian and we lost him just because of the pressure of religious goons. I hope he get a chance to work for Pak again and hope he accpets it
Greetings from US. Simply beautiful, a treat to listen to Dr. Atif. Loved it that you jumped right away into the thick of it, wasting not even a second. Probably one of your best work so far. The chapters of the video make it so convenient to come back to any point that you want to revisit. Keep it up buddy. I hope IK sees this and realizes that not taking help of Dr. Atif was one of his biggest mistakes.
I would mention here that as long as the religious cruption is not controlled , Pakistan can't progress properly. Many genius minds left the country bcz of religious freedom problems, safety, living conditions etc etc.
In a country like pakistan where 'ahmadi' word is enough to drive nail in the political coffin, how could imran khan withstand such avalanche of virulent public outrage which his political opponents also would have expolited against him
Atif Mian is great. Have heard him elsewhere as well and he is so knowledgeable and best part is, he explains things in such a simple way. But the point I want to emphasize on is; is Shehzad the greatest host of podcasts on the RUclips today or what!! So Good man!!
Why? The professor is a brilliant economist and Pakistan should have benefited from his services. His religion shouldn't have mattered but him being a brilliant economist doesn't make Qadiyanis Muslims
I am unrelated to the field but have deep interest in the fundamentals of economy. It was a treat to hear Atif Mian, such on point analysis of the root cause of Pak's eco debacle.
The best thing Atif Mian has said that political parties are the only institution through which we can communicate with each other ...This demands that they should be allowed to grow in a healthy atmosphere to come out with competent leadership....
This has become my fav channel of RUclips..and shehzad bhai what an interviewer you are....this is the first time i am seeing an anchor giving the interviewee that much space to speak and explore his ideas...
I watched this podcast thrice and want to watch again !! Atif Mian is amazing ! His love his heart his passion to make a difference in Pakistan is amazing....inspite of being an Ahmadi and hence displaced by PTI government from his Economic Advisor position.....A true gem ....A real diamond or Koh-i-Noor produced in Pakistan !
Good that you frame your questions in your natural way of doing things. There is no use of heavy financial vocabulary and yet it is easy for a common person to get an idea of why things are so bad. Keep it up Shahzad and do not bother about those who question your intellect becauz all of us know that you are an amazing person in so many different ways.
Good thought provoking conversation I think Pakistan is not a normal civilised democracy and this is a major root cause for all economic crisis. We beg to our Army please for God sake do your job. Let Pakistan’s people decide who need to govern this country. I think the main difference between India and Pakistan (despite India has lot of challenges under current Govt) is that their Army does not interfere so much in politics.
brillant podcast.. we are such an unfortunate people have exporting such brilliant minds to others and not nurturing or even using their experiences for the betterment of our own country .. Swedes yaad agaye.. thanks Shahzad for bringing Atif Mian on your show .. Thank you Atif Sir for giving all of us an opportunity to look things in depth and not superficially..
Brilliant !!! He made it so easy to comprehend complex issues...But our Finance wizards dismiss him saying what does an academic know about ground realities ??. They know more and outcome and brilliance of their knowledge and economic management for the past 40 years is evident for all to see..begging for $2B going door to door...time to introspect and wake up !!!
I came here by accident. Thoroughly enjoyed and the interesting thing is that I have been looking at the root causes of Pakistan which are retrogressing instead of progressing. Atif, one of the leading economists has given me another lens through which one can try to understand the economic challenges. I like the concept of elite productivity and unproductive. I will suggest the moderator not interrupt the speaker, especially the one who has full authority on his subject. But thanks for this detailed explanation of the challenges of Pakistan. Great mind and is so useful academically as well as practically. New York USA
After long time i found intellectual host who has grasp of knowledge and up to date knowledge. His guests choice is also exeptional better than our mainstream media
This interview should be preserved for posterity. If we go further down we would know a good diagnosis here. And if we turnaround then I would assume someone took serious note of this amazing podcast and worked on it..
Dr. Mian sidesteps sensitive topics. Yet brilliantly conveys the right message. He avoids discussing politics, socio-cultural issues, and internal conflicts.
Atif Mian will someday officially serve our nation ? Are you kidding ? Mulla Fazal Ul Rahman is waaaaaaay ahead of Atif Mian. With is expertise in Diesal he can turn the economy of Pakistan UPSIDE DOWN ( only one condition = his belly has to be served first ) 😅😁
itni badbakhti nhi ayi hui k wo banda ab dubara soche ga bhi iss mulk k liye practically kuch karne ka after all that this nation collectively did to him in the past.
Fascinating. Thanks so much for having Atif Mian and having the correct tact of letting him speak. Hate it when interviewers want to hear themselves and waste golden opportunities of understanding issues and getting much needed wisdom from geniuses like this person.
thanks for such a great interview. wish all my students get to listen to this interview. this interview will help me teach my students in a more effective way. also pray that all our stakeholder sit together and decide on a charter of economy and let's learn to live within our means
Humble n Full of knowledge. I say humble coz u mostly see interviewees placing loads of books directly behind them so evry1 knws how much books they hv gone thru n they can put audience under pressure of their knowledge mountain. . Not here.
I've learnt so much as I listened to Atif Mian. Just a thought; if experts of such amazing caliber could simplify economics for a layperson, all the terms, all that needs to be done by a common Pakistani who has basic literacy, is working, saving, striving to make ends meet, yet life just gets harder for him/her. I'm sure if awareness and some simplified information that makes sense (and all that Atif Muan says, makes sense), when this information reaches to the middle/lower middle whatever class that struggles , there's hope that they will exercise some better decisions.
This video has be shown to every school, every institute and every government body there is in Pakistan if we really want to understand the gravity of the situation we're in. Thank you, Shehzad, for putting this out for us!
This is sooo informative and exceptionally relevant. As usual, thank you for such great content. It's the need of the hour. Who knows, maybe it's this podcast that inspires the next gen?
just WaOo, TODAY I literally took a pen and copy and noted essential points your podcast makes such a good connection and i don't know 2 hours kesy guzar jaty ha
Thank you Mr. Atif Mian for sharing the pure wisdom - its simple, its bold and it is Applicable!! I believe we still can make the difference if we do thorough problem analysis => identify the root causes -> implement simple fixes -> repeat and improve (and bring competent people onboard and retain them!!!! they deserve respect). I wish people like yourself are given the due respect. I feel like writing a long comment but there is so much (I could see you had the same feeling), I will stay positive :)
This is hands down the best podcast in pakistan. The amount of knowledge and awareness it creates, it deserves 10x more exposure. Inshallah you’ll be the joe rogan of pakistan 🫶🏻
I absolutely agree with Atif Mian that political elite has to bear more responsibility for what happens. And yes, even civilian rulers want to become autocratic. The left and liberal circles love to criticize army.
As a listener, I urge the podcast team to consider dedicating daily episodes to the Palestine issue. Prioritizing this topic demonstrates a genuine commitment to raising awareness and advocating for the children of Palestine. Your platform holds immense potential to shed light on important global issues, and focusing on Palestine could make a significant impact.
Atif Mian is an incredible talent that PK must use. It is very unfortunate that right wing fundamentalists who oppose involving Mr. Mian are very narrow minded. Sir Zafarullah Khan was the first and best FM of Pakistan. Ardshir Cowasjee, Rana Bhagwan Das, Dr Abdus Salam and many more are/were as much a Pakistani as any of the molvis.
Enjoyed this one! Thankyou Shehzad! A bit discouraged after listening the state of affairs of our economy and society as a whole. The key take away was that we must set some fundamental values and ethical code to operate by that we, neither as a society, not our representative go against. All the best for and hope that we slow and steadily built a society that is liveable for our next generation.
Another Indian here. I wish our country could use Atif Mian's knowledge if Pakistan doesn't need his services. A smart brain is much more useful than any emotion or ideology. It is beyond borders.
Your channel is one of the few channels I have ring the notification bell for. GREAT CONTENT! You're such a good listener. Keep doing this amazing job!
Thanks man as Indian I can see these problems in my country as well like politicians in real estate, sugarcane(Maharastra), privates engineering and medical colleges which are very low productive and pay few taxes. I will be better if our people listen to this man and vote politicians who doesnot have these interests or are willing to tax it.
Nitin Gadkari the best performing minister also owns sugar mills Maharashtra. Even in USA most of congressmen has stakes in their private military co. But on the level such things happens in Pakistan is incomparable
@@Vivek.101 look he isn't wrong though..in mp the most of private medical colleges are of politician and real estate is a good way for money laundering in India..one of many reasons why it's so damn hard to own land in India..sugar mills well they are corrupted too
ماشا اللہ جمارے عاطف صاھب محترم نے اپنی مجوضع گفتگو مین ھمارے رنگ لیڈرز اور ملکی اقتصادیات کہ ماھرین کو جس امریکی طرف متوجہ کیاھے شاہد اس سے پھلے کسی نے اتنی کھل کر روشنی نہ ڈالی ھو اگر ھمارے راھنما کسی سنجیدیگی کا راگ آج سے بیس پچیس سال قبل اس تمام پھلون پر غور کرتے تو یقیقنن آج ملک جس دلدل مین پھنس چکا ھے اس سے نکلنے کہ بھت الزام راستے موجد ھوتے لیکن ھمارے سیاست دامن کی غفلتوں کا نتیجہ کی سزا آج ملک کے باکس کروڑ شھری فیس کر رھے ھین اور اس اندھری رات کا خاتمع نظر نھین ارھا ھمارے سامعین اور ناظرین مین سے 90 فیصد ایسے جنون گے جن کو شائد اس قدر اقتصادیات کہ اوتار اور بلندی کا ذیادہ علم نہ ھو مگر ایک بات کا تو بخوبی ادراک ھو گا کہ خطے کہ وہ ممالک جو ھمارے ملک سی کموپیشجند سال قبل یا بعد آزادی کی نعمت سھریاب ھوئے اور جس انداز سیے انھون نے اپنی ترقی کے زینہ کو عبور کیا وہ شائد ھماری لیڈ کلاس کو بخوبی علم ھو گا کہ ملک چین اندیا کہ عوام نئے اپنی زندگیوںکوکو نھئاہت سادگدی سے گزار کر قربانی تو ضرور دی مگر اپنی آنے والی جنریشن کہ لئے ایک مستقل ایک مظبوط معاشی نظام کی بنیاد رکھ دی جس کا اعلان آج دنیا کہ تمام ملوک ک رھے ھین اور یہ مماھمارے ساتھ یا کہہ سکتے بعد ھمارے آزاد ھوے مگر بڑے فخر سے اپنا سر اونچا کر کہ دنیا کی ترقی اقوام کی صف مین کھرے نظر آتے ھین اگر پھلے سبق ان سے لینے مین کوتائ سے کا لیا تو کم از کم اب ہھی سیدھا راستہ قبول کرلیا جائے تو شائد کامیابی کی صورت نکل آئے الللہ کامیاعطاہ کرے امین خالد حامد امریکہ
Atif is simply brilliant. Host deserves a thumbs up and my click on "Subscribe" button. It is sad that brilliance is bracket to religion/section in Pakistan in 2022.
I think Pakistan must empower the brains and talents like these who understand the core economic challenges along with long term monetary policies and fiscal challenges. It’s not that these minds are not present in Pakistan but they are not used in decision making policies and cheap vote bank politics are played with them.
Hello Shehzad, thanks for organizing this program and for bringing esteemed Atif Mian to your show. It was a pleasure to listen to him and his suggestions. I have a huge fan of Atif Mian and have a great deal of respect for him. I am glad Atif Mian brushed aside the comments and notions favoring one party policies over others and commented that all finance ministers and political parties have done silly things in the past not just from one political party which I thought became the underlying theme of your line of questioning. Also in my opinion the role of the establishment to ruin the economy and the power they posses over the civilian governments and political parties is undeniable. Extremism is prevalent and there is no denying they have a significant role in it. So how can Pakistan achieve economic stability under such prevailing conditions?
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This is what makes RUclips absolutely amazing. An average Pakistani, who might not even know what economics is, where Princeton University is, what phd stands for, is directly benefiting from the knowledge of a Princeton professor, a world renowned economist talking about issues an average Pakistani is facing every day
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I shit you not none of those people are watching this. You are out of touch with average Pakistani
A gem of course,
And how easy he makes it for a layperson to understand. That's what a brilliant teacher does.
This interview should be shown in all business schools of Pakistan and should become a part of their curriculum.
No, He didn't provide any solutions. Just same old mantra.
@@thoughtfulpakistan9769 Idnetifying the problems is the first step towards solving a solution. Moreover he has provided many solutions in the past. Just follow his Twitter, tons of conferences, blogs and interviews. Don't judge him based on this one interview. Thanks
Exactly...
Agreed. A lot of solutions have been provided. But have any been implemented 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Unless we don't shun the religious bias, we will hear, analyze, and speak our minds through our butt.
Indian here. Started watching for an economics assignment but found it to be quite an interesting conversation about the crisis. Thanks!
Still remember when Atif Mian wasn't allowed to deliver a lecture at IBA two years back, this guy is a gem
ABDUS SALAM
why ?
Because of this mindset is Pakistan in a perpetual state of downward spiral into a shit hole.
@@vipint3694 wo yadavpur University aya tha!!!
@@dancingcar8974 kaun??
The more I listen to experts the more I realize that our elite, our judiciary, our bureaucracy, our army, our politicians and specially the establishment are just incompetent. Anyone in the position of power in Pakistan just cannot do the most basic things right.
They are not incompetent. Rather, they have vested interests in the way things are running and are its beneficiaries and they protect their gains very competently
@@veenjharmemon8097 ya
@@veenjharmemon8097 I think they are a mixture of both. They lack competence as well as the will to change the course of things. Only if they were half as smart as they are now, they would be doing things slightly better to avoid the disaster that Pakistan is moving towards at such a fast pace.
@@veenjharmemon8097 can’t agree more. They are competent but want to use their competence in protecting and enhancing their vested interests. But then their acts actually deprive the 22 crores Pakistanis of their basic necessities of life.
This is called myopic thinking and getting the low hanging fruit. But as someone wise said there is a cost to everything and this cost is paid by the common man!.
I am from India. I salute Professor Mian. Pakistan produces so many brilliant scholars, and the nation can benefit from listening to them.
Atif mian is gem. We as a nation are lost in religious thing. Imagine if someone like atif main ll be our finance minister.
Har ilzam religion pe laga do bus
@@muhammadosama2388 مذہب کی وجہ سے ہی اتنے قیمتی ہیرے سے پاکستان فائدہ نہیں اٹھا رہا
@@umairiqbal2880 wo kesy?
@@muhammadosama2388 بہتر ہے آپ نے خبر ہی رہو
@@umairiqbal2880 jis chez ka pata na ho us pe bat karny pehly research kar lia karain taky bongi mar ke sharminda na hona pary.
As an Indian ..After a very long time, I have enjoyed listening to this expert from Pakistan. He makes sense
Never ever in my life have I ever listened to an economy podcast for more than five minutes until today when I came to this podcast. 2 hours of listening to this gem uninterrupted. This man needs to be here in Pakistan. He must be made the Finance Minister and be given full authority to take whatever decisions are needed at this level so that our economy can be put on the right track.
And totally impressed with Shehzad's hosting skills I must say. I'm his staunch critique on Twitter but here I'd appreciate him for not beating about the bush like many hosts. He exactly knew what he was going to ask from Atif Mian.
Mian Atif: He was chosen by Imran Khan for the Economic Advisory Council in July 2018 but was gone by the end of August 2018 because all parties and people of Pakistan rejected him because he is an Ahmedi (declared NOn-Muslims in 1973 Constitution)
@@hotchukki And who is the man or the government judging who is a Muslim and who is not? the shirk in Islam says everyone has the right a Muslim must not hurt another person what are you doing? Hate speech and offended is that Islamic? islam teaches us to spread love and not hate you have been brainwashed by the mullahs
@@mominbajwa9221 baytaa i think you reacted instead of understanding. My point was to state a fact to a request by someone that why can't Atif Mian be there serving Pakistan, i agree.
In your haste you forgot that anyone has a right to call themselves musaluman, only GOD decides. Those who enacted the clause in the constitution Ahmedis as Non Muslums claimed they were GOD like. That was unislamic, as written there is no compulsion in religion. The munafiqat happened.
I disagree with Atif Mian on some points but he would have served Pakistan well and honestly, bless him.
Next time READ-LISTEN whats said baytaa, best wishes
@@alymurtza actually you people must also become liberal as soon as possible ..forget Kashmir now that matter is CLOSED ..atleast take care of your 5 highly natural enriched provinces properly . I know religion is important but more important is Life and life style , when this two entities are healthy then only you can follow the religion to the fullest and in a effective way !
This podcast is just brilliant. Every single word said by Mr. Atif is has pure gold. Every Indian & pakistani must listen him once. I am really become fan of him, looking forward to next time him on this podcast. Thanks Mr. Shahzad for inviting him.
Well said Mr patel... 👏
They will never mention Jehadi education is the issue
So that he can call india facist WTF.
He is Ahmediya - Non Muslim but took the lead for division of Greater India - right man of jinnah!!
You bring one hundred excellently economists, everyone of them will be frustrated by our civil servants. Pakistan is not a country that is civil, normal and wants to improve. It is the people in control don’t want poor people to improve their social. This is going on since 1950s. Some people want be in control, even if the don’t know the job. If they are not in job, they play hell with the social structure and he play hell with the country too.
Bullet points of the interview
1) Population out of control
2) Woman out of economy
3) Productivity is main issue
4) Elite in non-productive sector in real estate pulling common men resources
5) Unequal growth process
6) We creating wrong demand
7) Politicians need to grow
8) Currency devaluation is your productivity issue
9) Getting liquidity from IMF etc is not your solution
10) Competent people with resources and empowering them
11) Our decisions are really broken
12) GDP is no concern with remittances, So promote productivity/growth instead of remittances. GDP = Consumption + Investment + Government Spending + Net Exports (GDP = C + I + G + NX)
13) Land tax can solve class inequality in Pakistan
14) Asking questions should be encouraged
15) Low tax collection reason is amnesty govt offers every time
16) What Pak can seek from India is building domestic capacity
17) In politics, criticise other but don’t cross the limit
Well done
Can i copy this text for sharing to knowledge seeker minds . 😮
Also have a scientific approach
I am from India, and amazed to see such an intellectual discussion in Pakistan. Amazing !
Please share any intellectual discussion in India to amaze us too.
@@asadali2311 not my responsibility to amaze you. Find your own path.
A very condescending and arrogant comment.
@@novemberjam I would rather say a confident comment. And fyi I said all good words , other party started argument so it’s my right to response.
@@azharyousaf8816 I dont need to do research for intellectual discussion in pakistan, everything is available in open. And yes this is open social platform, I know my rights what to write and what not. It looks like I pointed out deep wound here, leading to such abusive replies from you.
I’m hearing this guy Dr Atif Mian from Princeton University. I’m sooo lucky. He’s really a beautiful mind. I don’t think Pakistani are unable to get this great economist because of our corrupt politicians and establishment.
We’re corrupt as a Pakistani 😢😢😢
Excellent discussion. Greetings from India. I am surprised how Pakistan is not able to utilize the diaspora. It is sad the country is going to implosion
Wasnt imran khan forced to fire him because he is ahmedi ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This guy was removed or not appointed because he is Ahmadiya.
why would you want Pakistan to prosper??? it will bad for us, you realise that??
@@RP027 well what profit us pak nose is just above water..if drown we will have nuclear Syria on our border or if strong enough we would have same 1980-90 problem in kashmir
@@mightyimposter3388 then be ready for Gazwa e hind
Brilliant 2hrs listening, deep thinking by Mian Atif, thank you. A NOTE: Mian Atif: He was chosen by Imran Khan for the Economic Advisory Council in July 2018 but was gone by the end of August 2018 because all parties and people of Pakistan rejected him because he is an Ahmedi (declared NOn-Muslims in 1973 Constitution)
Great podcast. Do repeat after 6-12 months. Probably the most sensible economist who understands and can advice Pakistan sincerly.
Atif mian, always looking forward to listen to him. Extremely well accomplished academic, well grounded and very humble person.
Also biggest misfortune of our country is we fail benefit from people like him
Man, this guy is intelligent. his thought process is really nice. Good questions also.
More power to you atiff Mian. Hope one day we realize how we have discouraged a great mind like u
For god sake bring him to Pakistan on any terms to serve Pakistan. He is such a gem Pakistan can ever had😢
I am from India and agree on this statement-- a scholar of his caliber needs to be treasured.
What a superb discussion. Atif Mian is a financial wizard and I will strongly recommend him to be an executive adviser to the prime minister of Pakistan and finally promoted as a full fledged minister with full powers. The problem of Pakistan is the strong mafias sitting in the parliament and the military inc. who will not accept any decisions or actions against their interests.
Already watched it twice, and for sure will be watching it several times more as there is so much knowledge and reality in this podcast. Thank you for inviting him!
For once an actual useful and academic podcast.
Where Atif being a thorough professional side stepped any rhetorical political bends and focused on his area of expertise.
Proud to be a namesake 😃!
First time i listen 2 hour podcast in one go. Thank u atif mia and the host.
same here, kept the speed 1.75 times though.
Pakistan needs such brilliant people in economic sector.,,
I came upon this channel accidentally. I really enjoyed listening to the great explanations of economic concepts. Bravo!
this Podcast/Video Needs to be Studied in every School/College to our KIDS. Atif Mian Has Some Serious Knowledge and a VISION to truly make a Mark for PAKISTAN on the GLOBE. its about time our people understand and realize how Countires are Made
Every Pakistani should listen to this. With an open mind.
Honor to listen to this gentleman. How simple and to the point explanation of our holy land issues and solution. We need mentor and expert like him. Thank you for this excellent podcast
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Thank you Shahzad for organizing a session with Sir. Atif Mian. He is like a living master plan that our country is deprived of. It was so nice to hear from him with unbiased opinions based on facts. I think you should bring him more often in your podcast to talk about more details towards improvement.
Now this is what you call a productive podcast ✌️
Atif Sahib gave an amazing example of the India and pakistan on the libralization of the IT, when I ran the outsourcing for Nortel and EMC on the development front, I eneded up taking the 2500+ jobs to India and expended into China, mexico and Russia. While being a Pakistani I favored Pakistan, yet during my assesment of Pakistan against what other countries (mentioned earlier ) Pakistan just could not compete. Infrastructure, corruption, work ethics, safty, language, too much mullahisam, ease of travel, legal barriers on creating a IT zoned areas, equipment taxes etc etc. Pakistan has too many issues. if you listen to Atif Sahib carefully , one can easily come to what needs to be done to fix this country, but I doubt we have the required leadership with the vision.
What's the future of Indian it industry after the increased digital and financial inclusion...also now India is one market after gst.. what's your take..(plz i hope you give genuine answer without just saying facism of moodi)
@@abhaypatel4292 Have you had a chance to read this report. If not please do. www.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/documents/15396/mSTAR_IndiaDFI_Report_DRAFT_FINAL.pdf
If not satisfied with the finding, we can discuss further.
@@abhaypatel4292 well modi has nothing to do with anything, gst was going to happen, digitalization was going to boom regardless.
@@fsckool6894 Mate, Execution,Execution & Execution optimisation was done by PM Modi.
When UPI digitalization was launched in 2016.
Former Congress finannce minister Chidambaram said, "There are no smartphone electricity or wifi in villages how will people use them. Many people don't have bank account. Small shopkeepers don't have internet how do you think they will use UPI and try to become part of your Digital India." Chidambaram was not mocking the government he was telling the reality.
Today everyone uses UPI from small shopkeepers to big brands. Also it should be known that India has the fastest growing e commerece market. 80% of the transactions are made using UPI. In few years UPI will cross one billion transactions. It is revolution and the government is improving it to provide service through digital payments. UPI is also used in Nepal,Bangladesh and is going to launch in more countries. PM Modi proved former finance minister Chidambaram wrong within few years.
Although I find myself in disagreement with most of your opinions, but I appreciate that you're doing such academic discussions. Because we, as a society, have stopped discussing problems, we only play blame games. So this is great to see. Keep up the great work and keep asking questions
In summary can you briefly outline your disagreements?
It was an absolute treat listening to atif mian and we lost him just because of the pressure of religious goons. I hope he get a chance to work for Pak again and hope he accpets it
YE BANDA KITNA MUKHLIS HE PAKISTAN KE SATH ❤️🇵🇰
What a brilliant mind. Another gem we'll lose because of our religious extremism.
Greetings from US. Simply beautiful, a treat to listen to Dr. Atif. Loved it that you jumped right away into the thick of it, wasting not even a second. Probably one of your best work so far. The chapters of the video make it so convenient to come back to any point that you want to revisit. Keep it up buddy. I hope IK sees this and realizes that not taking help of Dr. Atif was one of his biggest mistakes.
I would mention here that as long as the religious cruption is not controlled , Pakistan can't progress properly. Many genius minds left the country bcz of religious freedom problems, safety, living conditions etc etc.
Absolutely. Also govt should learn to stand up for things. IK should have stand firm and not let atif go just to ease pressure
In a country like pakistan where 'ahmadi' word is enough to drive nail in the political coffin, how could imran khan withstand such avalanche of virulent public outrage which his political opponents also would have expolited against him
Not just because of Ik,tlp etc.
Hats off to this discussion. I have never liked people in Economics. Listening to Atif I changed my mind.
We want this guy as finance minister.
Atif Mian is great. Have heard him elsewhere as well and he is so knowledgeable and best part is, he explains things in such a simple way.
But the point I want to emphasize on is; is Shehzad the greatest host of podcasts on the RUclips today or what!! So Good man!!
Its time to accept Ahmadi Muslims as part of mainstream Muslim Ummah
No
Why? The professor is a brilliant economist and Pakistan should have benefited from his services. His religion shouldn't have mattered but him being a brilliant economist doesn't make Qadiyanis Muslims
I am unrelated to the field but have deep interest in the fundamentals of economy. It was a treat to hear Atif Mian, such on point analysis of the root cause of Pak's eco debacle.
The best thing Atif Mian has said that political parties are the only institution through which we can communicate with each other ...This demands that they should be allowed to grow in a healthy atmosphere to come out with competent leadership....
This has become my fav channel of RUclips..and shehzad bhai what an interviewer you are....this is the first time i am seeing an anchor giving the interviewee that much space to speak and explore his ideas...
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Dr Atif Mian is a great mind. I seriously wish that they should let him serve Pakistan
I watched this podcast thrice and want to watch again !! Atif Mian is amazing ! His love his heart his passion to make a difference in Pakistan is amazing....inspite of being an Ahmadi and hence displaced by PTI government from his Economic Advisor position.....A true gem ....A real diamond or Koh-i-Noor produced in Pakistan !
Good that you frame your questions in your natural way of doing things. There is no use of heavy financial vocabulary and yet it is easy for a common person to get an idea of why things are so bad. Keep it up Shahzad and do not bother about those who question your intellect becauz all of us know that you are an amazing person in so many different ways.
Good thought provoking conversation I think Pakistan is not a normal civilised democracy and this is a major root cause for all economic crisis. We beg to our Army please for God sake do your job. Let Pakistan’s people decide who need to govern this country. I think the main difference between India and Pakistan (despite India has lot of challenges under current Govt) is that their Army does not interfere so much in politics.
In pak sorry it's not possible..
brillant podcast.. we are such an unfortunate people have exporting such brilliant minds to others and not nurturing or even using their experiences for the betterment of our own country .. Swedes yaad agaye.. thanks Shahzad for bringing Atif Mian on your show .. Thank you Atif Sir for giving all of us an opportunity to look things in depth and not superficially..
Bcuz we have jahil tlp etc parties. same happened with Dr.Abdus Salam
Brilliant !!! He made it so easy to comprehend complex issues...But our Finance wizards dismiss him saying what does an academic know about ground realities ??. They know more and outcome and brilliance of their knowledge and economic management for the past 40 years is evident for all to see..begging for $2B going door to door...time to introspect and wake up !!!
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I came here by accident. Thoroughly enjoyed and the interesting thing is that I have been looking at the root causes of Pakistan which are retrogressing instead of progressing. Atif, one of the leading economists has given me another lens through which one can try to understand the economic challenges. I like the concept of elite productivity and unproductive. I will suggest the moderator not interrupt the speaker, especially the one who has full authority on his subject. But thanks for this detailed explanation of the challenges of Pakistan. Great mind and is so useful academically as well as practically. New York USA
After long time i found intellectual host who has grasp of knowledge and up to date knowledge. His guests choice is also exeptional better than our mainstream media
This interview should be preserved for posterity. If we go further down we would know a good diagnosis here. And if we turnaround then I would assume someone took serious note of this amazing podcast and worked on it..
Everyone will gain knowledge from this podcast whether u r Pakistanis or indian
India condition is much worse than Pakistan
They hate modi so much that instead of reviewing india policies they target party politics...pakistanis always lack logic
what did you learn for India??
I did learn to procrastinate. Nothing to do with nationality here.
Lol fool so any Pakistani can say about fascism in India
Explained such complex issues in such simple way. What a masterclass
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Dr. Mian sidesteps sensitive topics. Yet brilliantly conveys the right message. He avoids discussing politics, socio-cultural issues, and internal conflicts.
Shehzad this was amazing thank you so much! I hope one day Atif sir can officially serve our nation.
Atif Mian will someday officially serve our nation ? Are you kidding ? Mulla Fazal Ul Rahman is waaaaaaay ahead of Atif Mian. With is expertise in Diesal he can turn the economy of Pakistan UPSIDE DOWN ( only one condition = his belly has to be served first ) 😅😁
itni badbakhti nhi ayi hui k wo banda ab dubara soche ga bhi iss mulk k liye practically kuch karne ka after all that this nation collectively did to him in the past.
Fascinating. Thanks so much for having Atif Mian and having the correct tact of letting him speak. Hate it when interviewers want to hear themselves and waste golden opportunities of understanding issues and getting much needed wisdom from geniuses like this person.
thanks for such a great interview. wish all my students get to listen to this interview. this interview will help me teach my students in a more effective way. also pray that all our stakeholder sit together and decide on a charter of economy and let's learn to live within our means
The person like Atif, deserve to be Finance Minister in pak
The saddest thing is that for all his knowledge and intelligence, Atif can't come to Paxtan because he is an Ahmedi.
Paxtan jindabad😆
ahmedi ni hy
Qadiani hy
@@junoonerizvi5321 he is an Ahmadi muslim
Humble n Full of knowledge.
I say humble coz u mostly see interviewees placing loads of books directly behind them so evry1 knws how much books they hv gone thru n they can put audience under pressure of their knowledge mountain. . Not here.
I've learnt so much as I listened to Atif Mian. Just a thought; if experts of such amazing caliber could simplify economics for a layperson, all the terms, all that needs to be done by a common Pakistani who has basic literacy, is working, saving, striving to make ends meet, yet life just gets harder for him/her. I'm sure if awareness and some simplified information that makes sense (and all that Atif Muan says, makes sense), when this information reaches to the middle/lower middle whatever class that struggles , there's hope that they will exercise some better decisions.
This video has be shown to every school, every institute and every government body there is in Pakistan if we really want to understand the gravity of the situation we're in. Thank you, Shehzad, for putting this out for us!
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This is sooo informative and exceptionally relevant. As usual, thank you for such great content. It's the need of the hour. Who knows, maybe it's this podcast that inspires the next gen?
Didn’t knew atif was a Georgist inclined economist
He was the best guy for pakistan in that case
Very eloquent. As always Prof. Atif mian. Thank you for your time.
Yeh chez bani nahi, yeh chez humnay systematically banayi hai ! What a gem of statement.
Mashallah Atif Mian is proud of Pakistan 🇵🇰💓
Irrespective of difference with his religious believes..I believe that Atif M is a professional n a patriot Pakistani...
just WaOo, TODAY I literally took a pen and copy and noted essential points
your podcast makes such a good connection and i don't know 2 hours kesy guzar jaty ha
Thank you Mr. Atif Mian for sharing the pure wisdom - its simple, its bold and it is Applicable!! I believe we still can make the difference if we do thorough problem analysis => identify the root causes -> implement simple fixes -> repeat and improve (and bring competent people onboard and retain them!!!! they deserve respect). I wish people like yourself are given the due respect. I feel like writing a long comment but there is so much (I could see you had the same feeling), I will stay positive :)
Honesty is the problem with this nation, no one can fix it.
This is hands down the best podcast in pakistan. The amount of knowledge and awareness it creates, it deserves 10x more exposure. Inshallah you’ll be the joe rogan of pakistan 🫶🏻
Thank you!!
Amazing podcast. Special thanks to Sir Atif Mian for his valuable insights.
Enjoyed, Dr. Mia is a gem! Happy to have discovered your podcast.
Let's make this guy our finance minister
We shall have get approval from TLP... UNFORTUNATELY!
I absolutely agree with Atif Mian that political elite has to bear more responsibility for what happens. And yes, even civilian rulers want to become autocratic. The left and liberal circles love to criticize army.
As a listener, I urge the podcast team to consider dedicating daily episodes to the Palestine issue. Prioritizing this topic demonstrates a genuine commitment to raising awareness and advocating for the children of Palestine. Your platform holds immense potential to shed light on important global issues, and focusing on Palestine could make a significant impact.
Atif Mian is outstanding! Thanks for featuring my question Shehzad!
Atif Mian is an incredible talent that PK must use. It is very unfortunate that right wing fundamentalists who oppose involving Mr. Mian are very narrow minded. Sir Zafarullah Khan was the first and best FM of Pakistan. Ardshir Cowasjee, Rana Bhagwan Das, Dr Abdus Salam and many more are/were as much a Pakistani as any of the molvis.
Absolutely right
We do not value our heroes sadly.
Atif mian is a gem of a professional and a highly objective & Logical person 🖤
Enjoyed this one! Thankyou Shehzad! A bit discouraged after listening the state of affairs of our economy and society as a whole. The key take away was that we must set some fundamental values and ethical code to operate by that we, neither as a society, not our representative go against.
All the best for and hope that we slow and steadily built a society that is liveable for our next generation.
This is the type of content that should be shown on the national TV instead of kapaas ki fasal ko soondi lag gyi
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He's a genius, Atif Mian. Respect
Another Indian here. I wish our country could use Atif Mian's knowledge if Pakistan doesn't need his services. A smart brain is much more useful than any emotion or ideology. It is beyond borders.
Your channel is one of the few channels I have ring the notification bell for. GREAT CONTENT! You're such a good listener. Keep doing this amazing job!
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Thanks man as Indian I can see these problems in my country as well like politicians in real estate, sugarcane(Maharastra), privates engineering and medical colleges which are very low productive and pay few taxes. I will be better if our people listen to this man and vote politicians who doesnot have these interests or are willing to tax it.
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Nitin Gadkari the best performing minister also owns sugar mills Maharashtra. Even in USA most of congressmen has stakes in their private military co. But on the level such things happens in Pakistan is incomparable
@@prashantp2029 So what it uses subsidized water electricity on a dry state. I don't have problem farming in UP
Lol seen his propaganda about FASCISM IN INDIA?
THANKS dell for being pakistani
@@Vivek.101 look he isn't wrong though..in mp the most of private medical colleges are of politician and real estate is a good way for money laundering in India..one of many reasons why it's so damn hard to own land in India..sugar mills well they are corrupted too
ماشا اللہ جمارے عاطف صاھب محترم نے اپنی مجوضع گفتگو مین ھمارے رنگ لیڈرز اور ملکی اقتصادیات کہ ماھرین کو جس امریکی طرف متوجہ کیاھے شاہد اس سے پھلے کسی نے اتنی کھل کر روشنی نہ ڈالی ھو اگر ھمارے راھنما کسی سنجیدیگی کا راگ آج سے بیس پچیس سال قبل اس تمام پھلون پر غور کرتے تو یقیقنن آج ملک جس دلدل مین پھنس چکا ھے اس سے نکلنے کہ بھت الزام راستے موجد ھوتے لیکن ھمارے سیاست دامن کی غفلتوں کا نتیجہ کی سزا آج ملک کے باکس کروڑ شھری فیس کر رھے ھین اور اس اندھری رات کا خاتمع نظر نھین ارھا ھمارے سامعین اور ناظرین مین سے 90 فیصد ایسے جنون گے جن کو شائد اس قدر اقتصادیات کہ اوتار اور بلندی کا ذیادہ علم نہ ھو مگر ایک بات کا تو بخوبی ادراک ھو گا کہ خطے کہ وہ ممالک جو ھمارے ملک سی کموپیشجند سال قبل یا بعد آزادی کی نعمت سھریاب ھوئے اور جس انداز سیے انھون نے اپنی ترقی کے زینہ کو عبور کیا وہ شائد ھماری لیڈ کلاس کو بخوبی علم ھو گا کہ ملک چین اندیا کہ عوام نئے اپنی زندگیوںکوکو نھئاہت سادگدی سے گزار کر قربانی تو ضرور دی مگر اپنی آنے والی جنریشن کہ لئے ایک مستقل ایک مظبوط معاشی نظام کی بنیاد رکھ دی جس کا اعلان آج دنیا کہ تمام ملوک ک رھے ھین اور یہ مماھمارے ساتھ یا کہہ سکتے بعد ھمارے آزاد ھوے مگر بڑے فخر سے اپنا سر اونچا کر کہ دنیا کی ترقی اقوام کی صف مین کھرے نظر آتے ھین اگر پھلے سبق ان سے لینے مین کوتائ سے کا لیا تو کم از کم اب ہھی سیدھا راستہ قبول کرلیا جائے تو شائد کامیابی کی صورت نکل آئے الللہ کامیاعطاہ کرے امین خالد حامد امریکہ
Love the questions that were asked by Shehzad and the audience! Really enjoyed this podcast. Thank you!
Atif is simply brilliant. Host deserves a thumbs up and my click on "Subscribe" button. It is sad that brilliance is bracket to religion/section in Pakistan in 2022.
I think Pakistan must empower the brains and talents like these who understand the core economic challenges along with long term monetary policies and fiscal challenges. It’s not that these minds are not present in Pakistan but they are not used in decision making policies and cheap vote bank politics are played with them.
Humans achieved merit over identity in thousands of years. But some countries loosing it in one generation.
Don't be so cocky. हमारा भी ये हाल हो सकता है
@@ManishSharma-ku7ij 5000 salo tak hamara yahi haal tha ise hi jatiwad ka naam diya jata tha.
Abhi 40-50 saal me hi kuch improvement hua hai.
Hello Shehzad, thanks for organizing this program and for bringing esteemed Atif Mian to your show. It was a pleasure to listen to him and his suggestions. I have a huge fan of Atif Mian and have a great deal of respect for him.
I am glad Atif Mian brushed aside the comments and notions favoring one party policies over others and commented that all finance ministers and political parties have done silly things in the past not just from one political party which I thought became the underlying theme of your line of questioning.
Also in my opinion the role of the establishment to ruin the economy and the power they posses over the civilian governments and political parties is undeniable. Extremism is prevalent and there is no denying they have a significant role in it. So how can Pakistan achieve economic stability under such prevailing conditions?
Aik request please let the guest talk and complete their part
Hats off to #AtifMian who is real gem
What a Great Minds we have lost. No wonder as a Nation why we're suffering today.
Unproductive elite ..... spot on