Dr. Miftah spoke, spoke very openly, didn't try to divert any question. and unlike other politicians did not get into blaming the oppositiona and previous government. good to see a politician to speak and express in this way
I am from India. I really appreciate the way this group discusses the most sensitive issues of the country without screaming, shouting and bulldozing other speakers with minimum listening, reflecting and logically speaking. In India, most TV debates are pandemoniums of intellectuals.
After reviewing the comments I could see Indians have learnt a lot from the conversation of the current Economic condition of Pakistan. Thanks for presenting such a thoughtful and precise discussion. It is good for the people of Pakistan and India.
While it is an eye opener for people of India as to how and why the economy of Pakistan has tumbled, I found it funny as to how Miftah sb. is defensive on the topic of aftermath of PM Vajapayee's and PM Modi's visit to Pakistan. It was also hilarious to find out that that ministers think that by tweeting about tomatoes he could start food imports into Pakistan from India instead of removing the state ban on imports from India.
maine ye session pura dekha our pahali bar kisi session me itani sochane vaali our paDhi likhi audiance pakistan me dekhi jo sach pe bat kar rahi hai our sach par chalana chahati hai. Mai badhai dena chahata hu Sir Parvez ji ko jihnone itana achha program arenge kiya.
Salute to the gentleman at 1:13:15 who has the guts to ask n honest question. Not even Indian people ask such brutally honest question to their politician.
Pakistan intellectual elite class knows the truth but hardly anyone discuss it openly . They all are aware Jinnah made a mistake by creating a nation on the basis of religion but none are daring to say it directly . They say that indirectly. They always say openly how creating Taliban is now costing them but refusing to acknowledge sponsoring terrorism against India . Majority of them wants a secular Pakistan but hesitant to say frankly . More than Army they are afraid of religious fanatics . If you listen carefully and try to understand what they are trying to say you will realise they want to blame Jinnah , Army and Islamisation but can't do so openly fearing of public backlash. For majority of Pakistan they can accept criticism against Pakistan Army but they can't accept negativity against Jinnah and Islamisation of the country.
This man thinks when he is not in official power he will 'tweet' and the Indian officials will come running offering help! It's time elite pakis take direct questions n answer direct
Dear Prof. Hoodbhoy, you are doing a wonderful work in terms of educating the youth, on the current problems faced by Pakistan. In every episode, please allot some time for discussion on constructive evolution of solutions, so that the youth do not lose hope and become determined to solve the problem.
youth has been derailed from the right path by Imran Khan like politicians and the damage he has done in the past few years, is not recoverable soon. Other politicians are also self centered and give no heed to country's problems.
One of the best episodes of Prof Hoodbhoy is , his interaction with students from Hyderabad-India . it clearly shows a Guru is a Guru is. Guru. My Koti Koti naman to him
4 Easy way to solve the pakistan Economy 1.Establishing Fake currency note unit to print fake currency note of India and if possible US dollar currency 2.Establishing Drug unit and try maximum smuggled to more nation. 3.Selling nuclear Technology to terrorists countries in the name of friendship 4.Always using Victim card and begg for Dollars 5.selling more donkeys and girls to chinese
@@perfectionistpersona respect them? Seriously? For all the terrorism, hindu hatred, Mumbai Train attack, Parliament attack, Akshardham attack, Mumbai 2008, Uri, Pathankot, … . Killing, raping, converting the poor Hindus in Pis’stan? What are you? A self loathing ars*&#@le?
Agriculture is the most important sector of Pakistan's economy. But, for some strange reason, both Miftah Ismail and Pervaiz Hoodbhoy completely ignored it in their discussion. No one from the audience asked questions about agriculture. The fact is that no analysis of Pakistan's political economy is complete unless feudalism and taxation on agricultural land and production are included. Feudal lords are large landowners who are exempt from income tax. Feudal lords get themselves elected to parliament where they make laws to protect their own economic interests. The main reason for poverty in Pakistan is that the majority of Pakistani people live in the rural areas where they have no access to quality education, quality healthcare, and opportunities for advancement. Both feudal lords and government hardly invest any resources for uplifting the living standard of the people living in the rural areas. This is a serious challenge for Pakistan which is being ignored to the detriment of the country.
Channels like these with such a proactive audience and productive discussions are highly appreciated 👍 Even though I'm from India 🇮🇳 then also I admire Mr. Parvez Sir and their Counterparts.
I don't know Hoodbhoy but the guy he's interviewing is a certified crook, every Pakistani knows it. He's part of the corrupt mafia that has been robbing Pakistan and its citizens. The fact that he is inviting this crook to speak, says a lot about the interviewer as well.
@@ESRz ohh sorry bruh I didn't know that... Then why was the audience handling him very smoothly and steadily. I mean they would have asked him some tough questions...
@@arjunKaisaAbhi Perhaps because the audience might be uninformed students or the like, not sure. Imran Khan's government was the first honest and credible civilian government in Pakistan and was pursuing Ismail along with others, who had been part of the corrupt ruling elite and facilitated transactions and corrupt practices at the cost of billions of rupees to the Pakistani taxpayer. In 2019, the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) arrested former prime minister and PML-N senior Vice-President Shahid Khaqqan Abbasi in one such multibillion rupees LNG scam, and the anti-graft watchdog raided the house of ex-finance minister Miftah Ismail to arrest him over his alleged involvement in the same scandal although he escaped. He was brought back after the criminal Shahbaz Sharif was returned to power by General Bajwa once they made a deal with each other. A bunch of thieves, the whole lot.
Greetings from New Delhi...Me and my wife have very fond memories of being hosted by Miftah Ismail at his residence for 3 days around 20 years ago when we visited Karachi as Rotarians as guests of Rotary Club of Karachi Sunset Millennium. The hospitality was overwhelming.
Go bro and live there for 1 year, after a year your daughter would be converted to Islam and your name would be Navin sardana khan .Ye ek din ki chandni hai , ek din kisi bhi country me jaoge to aaisa hi feel hoga .Check their history first , the minorities in pakistan is on extinction
I have always admired Dr. Miftha but really amazed to hear him in this session.He has explained every thing in such a simple way without compromising on the concept. Salute to you Sir. Having said this with due respect I disagree with your suggestions on education system especially with reference to the private school. I have been teaching children of the humble class from both types of schools. Believe me the students from private schools are worst because they pay big fee on the name of English medium and they neither know Urdu nor English.
I listen to Mr. Hoodbhoy very carefully and this is a very healthy discussion. Thanks to Mr. Ismail for being so candid. I would like most Indians to watch this discussion to make sure that youngs of our nation acquire skills and knowledge to become productive instead of depending upon government welfare programs. Self-dependence is the only way to prosperity of individuals and nation.
01:13:00 is the part I watched in a reel that's why I came here to find out what will be his answer about India going out of the way to normalize relation with pakistan but I find only silence. 🤔
Once I watched Dr.Mifta Ismail debate in TV. On that day I noticed that he have guts n intelligent person. I thought he is not suitable for politics bcz politics is the worst for such person. Specific for Pakistan politics.
Indian government did not ban trade with Pakistan, Pakistanis did. Also when Pakistani PM is very reluctant to start trade with India, U can't expect India to get excited and take the risks only to get embarrassed by getting declined by the Pakistani PM. Until and unless higher ups in ur Government/Military take intrest in starting trade with India,there is very less hope. And I don't see Higher Pakistani Military officials very interested in starting trade with India. And it's a sad reality that Pakistani Military has a lot of influence in Pakistani government and its policies.
The real problem is the establishment that is sitting and conspiring against prosperity behind closed doors. a common citizen of Pakistan wants to see economic growth.
bro i am researching India For 4 years and i find the far left of India mostly better Knowledgeable than PhD Pakistani They have zero research on India just trap in anti India propaganda
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy your program is excellent. I am from Gurgaon India and work as a Healthcare Business Consultant and accidentally landed in your You Tube Channel and I sincerely appreciate the quality of discussion. Quite comprehensive and candid. Try to get some Indian intellectuals from diverse fields and I am sure your audience would appreciate that. Sir keep it up!
You have to understand that they're still sitting and doing this program in Pakistan where these people can be kidnapped, jailed or worse killed for speaking the truth. Keeping that in mind, I think people like Dr. Hoodbhoy & Miftah Ismail are doing an admirable job.
@@kanadchauhan may be But I request the indian audience not to blindly believe and support people like Pervez Hoodbhoy and Ishtiaq Ahmed. They cant talk about Islmic radicalism, forced conversion of minor hindu girls without bringing RSS, Modi, Hindutva and india Unlike Indian left which never talk about islam, pakistan minorities, but on the opposite side say there is nothing inside pakistan and all wrongs are inside india.
Really heartbreaking yet also very candid and sincere and professional talk by miftah except his affiliation with n league. He is more clear headed than the Pervez sb Well balanced and mostly unbiased analysis by miftah. It is time to set our priority and move forward. We need to start somewhere and awareness of the challenges and solutions is the first step. Keep it up. Need to have more of such talks and debates with unbiased and sincere experts without prejudices.
I am from india read mr miftah ismail editorials and this video is makes me feel real sad for Pakistan and india bcz jidhar pakistan jaa raha hai uska nuksan hamein bhi hoga
I am pleasantly surprised to watch a such a programme where the viewers were also very serious about the ailing Pak economy.Mr Miftah was quite candid in his views.Educatuon has to be a priority area for Pakistan. I am an Indian and retired as a Deputy General Manger in 2020 in one of largest Public Sector Bank in India.The way education is imparted in India and competitive exams are held ,it gives priority to merit.Besides the underprivileged are given reservations which results into upliftment of those who are on the bottom of pyramid. I think Government in Pakistan should try to implement it. Best of luck 🙏
I'm from karnataka india. In our village burqa clad girls riding scooter at midnight after attending various coaching classes near by town. Another important thing without kashmir issue Pakistan military can't survive. Unfortunately no one has talk about tax structure of Pakistan in front of economist.
I'm kashmiri (pakistani) but south india is a different story i have came to know. Yes Pak Army benifits from kashmir issue, but don't really fight for it. Just budget. Hopefully this has been changed recently
@@randomdosing7535 said "Hopefully this has been changed recently" For 75 years the amiriat model hasn't changed, so why will it change now? As Yana Mir (Indian Kashmiri) said to Fakhar Yousafzai "Kashmir is NOT an issue - Pakistan makes it an issue, like a crazy man wanting an already married woman"
I listened to it late but really learned a lot. Need more such apolitical talks from unbiased professionals to be clear about our issues and their solutions.
A very stimulating video discussion. There is more to the uncalled for decision making. Among other, the pricing structure decision making particularly in the agriculture sector has not been addressed. And this is also true for industrial sector. The conflict between political "needs" and the harsh economic realities need to be addressed. Any way this video is breath of fresh air.
Both of you are very rational and learned intelligent people. A humble request to Dr.Parwez, please speak in a little simpler Urdu so that we Indians can understand in a better way.
Thank you The Black Hole for this wonderful & candid discussion !!! 👍👍👍 Loads & loads of love & best wishes for this channel. 💛❤️🧡 Do continue these types of discussions please by the leading economists of Pakistan in the future! Some of the suggestions are as follows: Dr. Qaiser Bengali: Khi Dr. Shahram Azhar: US/Pindi-Isb Dr. Taimur Rehman: Lhr Dr. Atif Mian: US Shahrukh Wani: UK Khurram Husain: Khi Ammar Khan: Khi Areeba Habib: Khi And whoever you think is competent. Availability is of big concern because none of the above-mentioned are based in Islamabad so please consider online sessions. Thanks
These are twitter economists. You need to do a bit more research about Pakistan’s best economic minds. Dr Parvez Hasaan, Hafiz Pasha, Shahid Javed Burki. Atif Mian is good amongst the names you provided.
@@asadejazbutt9296 Infact I would say a large % of pakistan's GDP is spent on tackling a fake fear of India... Even Pak people in foriegn countries, instead of helping relations in Pak, they spend a lot of money in anti india activities, funding things like Khalistan... which is irrelevent for situation in Pakistan... Instead of doing all that, it is better to sit and play secondlife.
I wonder why this channel appeared on my timeline so late. Wonderful discussion infact somewhat thirst quenching of knowledge. Thanks for all these effort
Excellent conversation, but Miftah seemed to be helpless in responding to the specific questions regarding defense spending. This is the major reason for our current predicament.
Excellent. Mifta Ismail for Prime Minister of Pakistan, soon. None of the current MNA's and so called political figures have got that clarity in thoughts and a few solutions.
Audience is very mature and well researched. As an Indian i have to say The Black Hole is doing impressive work. Keep it up. Respect from India🇮🇳🇮🇳. And also is notion that Modi is Hindutva strongmen but Modi will never undermine India's economy interest becoz of vote politics. Pakistan has created roadblocks in trade so only Pakistan have initiate dialogue don't expect India to be enthusiastic about it.
Well you're hindutva is based on indo aryan invasion and the oppressive cast system and oppression of dravidians and the separists of India and minorities according to the guardian India is worst country for women what a great place India is
Dr Miftah ! Very impressive he has the diagnosis and real treatment and he is right in current political circumstances betterment cannot be achieved with out bitter pill.
I am from India .. kattar hindu.. but i like prof Parvez sir lectures..i have hughe respect for him.. his explanations are great.. wish he was born in India like Dr Abdul Kalam sir..
@@vishalyadavvashu That's is the difference B/w Dharma and mazhab... A kattar hindu is secular but a musalmaan, be it kattar or not can never be secular.... This is because the foundation of their religion is hate towards idol worshippers.
Greetings from India. I have seen many Pakistani public opinion videos in RUclips and onething I found common is that Pakistani makes everything connected to Religion. Jasba & Junoon are the common words we can hear all the time. Nobody talks with facts and figures. Being a Data Analyst, I love discussions where facts are presented. This is for the first time I have seen this channel and pleased to see that even Pakistan has people who talks on facts. I have one submission to make : Miftah ji spoke about PM Modi and spoke about the Gujrat riots. I think, he has not done enough research on this topic and spike based on his biases. Few facts, I would like to place here - 1. Modi ji came to power as CM of Gujrat on 7 October 2001 and the riots started on 27 February 2002. Exactly in 144 days (ie. 5 month) riots started. Don't you think, it was too short time for anyone to do something of this sort. He won't get enough time to prepare for it and come out clean. 2. I have seen Modi was compared with Hitler by few. So, let me share few facts on those lines. Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany in 1933 and WW 2 started in 1939. Even he took years to do something of this sort. 3. Coming back to Modi & Gujrat riots. It is on records that Modi ji asked neighboring states to help him with extra security force but he was denied. From 01 Dec 1998 to 08 Dec 2003, Ashok Gehlot led Government was in power in Rajasthan. Which means it was Congress (INC) Government and riots took place in 2022. I am sure, we are smart enough to connect the dots. 4. In 2012 Supreme Court gave clean chit to Modi ji and let's not forget that Congress was in power at the center during that time. I would request Miftah ji to do some good research on points he puts forwards.
Mentioning dates and making wild assumptions doesn't come under the heading of data analysis. It's called speculation. Although you failed to prove your case, I do agree in principle that if Modi ji were in fact a terrorist, India wouldn't have elected him.
Brother, it seems from your comment that you aren't even aware of the basics of the riot. #1 & 2 make no sense - the allegation isn't that Modi planned for months/ years to do a planned gen0_cide. The allegation is that: 1. He actively fueled sentiments of Hindus, with a parade of dead bodies after the Godhra burning of karsweaks 2. He told his police force to stand back as people rioted 3. He let various hindutwa groups run riot Sanjeev Bhatt, IPS who was the only one who testified against Modi, (that Modi instructed the police force to stand back) - is facing lifetime imprisonment now, under a separate case. Haren Pandya - bjp minister who was the other one who testified (saying the same) was murdered. There were many convictions including of Modi's ministers and Bajrang Dal members. Now under current regime - Maya kodnani's is free, so is her assistant who had been convicted. The bilkis bano rapists are all free - pardoned. Can you explain why, and if this isn't proof of complicity? Many of the above people are on video (I think in the 'Tehelka tapes') confessing to the heinous crimes on camera, and how a certain politician helped them. The cases were transfered by SC to Mumbai, because it didn't believe the trials in Gujarat were free and fair. Many cases restarted and many convicted. But even after transfer, the SIT wasn't completely free. Congress had no role in SC rulings. And your #3 hinting something on gehlot - can you explain the connection? The Delhi riots recently happened in Delhi, where central police force rules. The same police force which shot dead 28 people in CAA protests, didn't fire a single bullet in an actual riot. That too during heightened security because of Trump visit. Why? Because there was Delhi elections and riots always helps one party. Police was seen on video helping one side in the riots. And on Hitler - it isn't about 2002, but something horrible 'will happen' in future in this country for sure, the way the masses are being radicalized and one community rentlesssly, ruthlessly demonized. Modi will become as famous as Putin one day, for his actions.
@@mrgyani Thanks for your points. Much appreciate for putting across so much efforts in sharing the points. Pls allow me to put across how I look at it - Sanjiv Bhatt had 2 Custodial Torture case (one leading to Death if not wrong) in 1990 & 1998 and False Framing of Crime in 1996. And when did Riots happen. He was sentanced in 2012 and from 2004 till 2014, it was Manmohan Singh's Govt. As people say, he had close association with INC Leaders, then why was he not saved :). Now coming back to his statement, SIT formed as per SC order and headed by Ex-CBI Chief. So, it isout of scope to think that he can be influenced. Also, one of the Witness whom he presented later gave statement that he was forced and threatened by Bhatt. Mr. Bhatt's history doesn't look like he is a man of honor and true. Out of all the Points, Supreme Court upholds clean chit given by SIT. So, I consider SC to be above all and can't make any mistake. Coming to CAA protest, well NE vs Rest of India protested for different reasons. In NE, people opposed stating No Ammendment to be done in the Bill whereas in Rest of India it was to do with why not included all religions in the Bill. We have gone through the NRC process and it went smoothly. Although few data entry issues came up. For example, my Mother was shown as wife for my Dad, my sister, my wife and for myself. But the correction happened easily. Regarding the death, 23 people died it UP for sure but do we know who were they and what could be the motive. Kindly, check this link (www.newsclick.in/who-were-23-people-killed-during-anti-caa-nrc-protests) and look at the profession of those people. This is my assumption only but I am convinced that those people had no idea what they were going for. For Bilkis bano's case, I completely Condem the decission to release those convicts. That was a heinous crime and deserves no mercy. I hope SC will take corrective measures. Once again, Thanks for engaging on such debate. It was for you, I read little more on Mr. Bhatt. Although, he doesn't deserve my time but still it was a good read 🙂
I am from India. Its very good discussion. I would like to say that I don’t know anyone who voted for BJP due to anti Pakistan or anti Muslim agenda. Everyone who voted was always for development. There is not much anti Muslim sentiment in India which I know.
… you feel compelled to give an explanation to these jokers? Why? Let them burn in their filth! India ko, hume toh, inhone sirf dard hi diya hai - pehele din se!
That's nonsense, at least since 2019 bjp gets vote on hindutwa, nationalism and jingoism alone. Nothing else. Vikas, development are history - haven't heard of vikas since I don't remember how long. But Pakistan also gets vote on India. It's a lie that anti India sentiment don't work there. Imran Khan's whole agenda was that he will deal with India 'strongly', unlike Nawaz. Slogans like 'modi ka Jo yaar Hai, gaddar hai'. If you saw PTI Twitter handles they would be FULL of anti India comments. Any conspiracy theory against India - no matter how absurd, spreads like wildfire in all sections of their society.
@@nitin1947 Hindus are different from mullas. Hindus don't have to do violence for "allah ka khauf", Hindus are more educated, more richer, more intelligent, more smart and more appealing. And I'm not even talking about whole population, I'm just mentioning about the top 20% of population of both countries as they run the country, others just follow. Do you call China "communist paxtan" or "atheist paxtan". That's a very stupid argument and logic presented by you, try something better next time. As India is better with a party with people having wet dreams of akhand Bharat than to have a party which has anti Hindu and tukde tukde gang members, islamists sympathizers.
50 years ago if you'd asked any Pakistani economist the same questions, he would have given you the same answers. Today is today but 50 years from now you'd be asking the same questions to Pakistani economists or anyone and the answers (unfortunately) will be the same. What this says is that the reasons could be these but the problem is much more fundamental. There is no desire to progress. There is no nationalism. The problems are ethical, moral, religious, social. These are just symptoms, keep discussing them.
Mera is minister k baare me negative views the but after this conversation with pervez sir I would like to say he is generous man for the people of Pakistan in the respect of education
@36:41 until last few months, India too had the same issue with its government run airline. Privatisation has started showing improvement in it’s running especially on punctuality to begin with.
Someone from audiance asked a question about trade with India but no straight answer was given by speaker except blaming India for not responding positively. However matter of the fact is that bilateral trade was stopped by Pakistan Govt and choicest of personal abuse was used by PM of Pakistani against our Indian PM.
Thats true, if the speaker is not honest himself to take the blame. Secondly such discussions don't happen on Twitter, and he himself mentions that his PM was not in favour about it. Finally India had given MFN status to Pakistan whereas Pakistan not. Stop blaming Modi, he has done far better to Indian Muslims socially, economically then any other previous governments, who used them for just vote.
@@sudhakarbe abee tu h kon nalle berozgar sadakchaap bhikharisthani hm konsa chahte h,hm without bhikharisthaan grow kr rhe h non it exports 400bl$ h 5th largest economy with 560Bl$ ke reserves,chl nikal terrorist country ke 🤡
I am actually highly obliged to express my very thankfulness to you for your very knowledge-sharing efforts that you are actually doing it for all the people.
Remember Mr. Mifta despite all his knowledge and wisdom was and remains a part of the thugs known as PML(N). Who even in this crises are only working for the interests of a narrow clique of greedy and corrupt politicians.
Parvez Sahab, I am your ardent admirer , in fact all the countries have so much to learn from you. Your stress on education is right but as Mifta saheb says, consolidation of democracy at grassroot level and empowering parents is equally important. Though it isn't well known, India's local self governments are doing wonders at village, town, municipal and all the local block, tehsil and district levels. Zilla Parishad chairman enjoy minesterial level power and also responsibility ! State's competence level and governing abilities are no less than that of Center. Mri Modi as a Chief minister of Gujarat did an amazing job of transforming Gujarat Beauracracy, converted in to a mega-Public service machinery.
Miftah Ismail is a well known crook in Pakistan... He's saying all this about grassroots democracy as lip service just like they all do while rap-ing the nation. Disgusting creatures the both of them.
Enjoyed the discussion.The problems are properly identified and solutions given.The comparative analysis with Bangladesh is quite reflective of realities.
The discussion will stay here. No effect unless practical measures are taken. This is a commom practice of having such discussions in pakistan. Blame , game corruption but no solutions. No unity no discipline.
Read indian national education policy 2020.....now india will march towards, practical experience, industry interface, sports, employable, industry will train during summer vacation.... Students will be able to understand industry, work culture..,... This is going to be game changer in 20 years.... Jai hind
Good! Yeah it could be game changer from Indian or regional perspective but the real requirement is talent which is lacking in this region. One cannot teach donkeys to be engineers.
Let us see in 10-15 years. The religious radicalization we have introduced in our society, I don't see the current generation in India discussing science, economy, education - I only see them talking religion, nationalism, ideology. All the talent we produced who are earning us good name abroad was produced in a secular, liberal, peaceful India. Don't know what the picture will be like in the next 15 years. I shudder to think. Current govt is great at creating slogans and schemes - from swacch bharat, to smart cities, to make in India, to PLI, to education policy - no result in any.
Till 2010, World Bank was a major partner in several Infrastructure development projects, particularly that of irrigation, power, fertilizer and roads. The central bank authorizes state government to enter in to nogotiations with World Bank and allied institutions. The partnership was extremely useful in developmental poverty removal programs. As Mifta saheb has said loans are good provided they are used productively.
One of the most candid and honest interview by any pakistani politician. Indians should remain grateful to their politicians irrespective of political parties, they lead properly and not pushed people in to the ditches like our neighbours 🙂🙂PV Narasimha Rav & Manmohan Singh team was the best combination, Rav was an educationist and Singh was an Economist! Both together had put India on the path of welfare and prosperity. Today's well being of India is because of education, technology and pursuit of scientific temperaments. Hat's off to Indian parents, teachers, student's, schools, universities,banks and idares for their grit and commitment to nation.
@@RockstarRSTR Personally many of us can't forget, it opened up the doors for prosperity to middle-class and poor people . Manmohan singh made rupee fully convertible and opened up the doors for foreign education
Don't go overboard. Before 1991 MMS was an integral part of the Govt for 25 years which wreaked havoc on the Indian Economy. Late 60s to 1991 was probably the worst period for our country. Even PVNR was a senior for 2 decades. Reforms happened because we were left with no option. Unfortunately these Reforms slowed down after the initial burst and came to a grinding halt due to opposition from the family frontmen like Arjun Singh, Tewari etc. The opposition in the party was so fierce that Rao as Congress President could not get even one supporter of his to the Working Committee at the Tirupati session in April 1992. All seats were won by those opposing the opening up of the economy.
@@dodiraj1 Yes, very true that we had no option but selection of this option of opening the economy was very important. I know how difficult it was to get $100 for foreign travel. Dollars duel rates is thing of past
@@bbhusari I belong to the generation which lived it's prime years during that time. So I am speaking with experience. But I do agree that Miftah Ismail is probably the best FinMin that Pakistan has ever had except his obvious bias against India which would be expected from a Pakistan.
Prospects, you got me on that one. Nice one. Comedy is quite essential part of one’s entertainment, glad that you’ve not neglected that important feature.
@@Soul77.7 it's funny you still mention it. your statement would have had some value 20 years back. Open defecation has almost been fully evicted. Infact, I'm sure your country would have more open defection cases than india, that's not even per capita. Best of luck with your polio drive.
WOW... this is the only forum where I see Ex Finance Minister speaks of his heart and had shown his capabilities. Pakistan problem is Pakistan's mentality and attitude. As I see, Pakistan needs to forget India, Israel, USA, etc., it needs to think about itself what is good its society. As an Indian, I can tell that Pakistan is now past and no more in Indian thinking for any co-operation. 2nd point , Taliban is a mentality in Pakistan. Some section of every society in Pakistan is Talibanized, even Pak Army is Talibanized. The problem of Taliban will not go away overnight, it will take at least 3 generations. 3rd point, once I calculated, Pak army sucks 40 to 45% annual budget every year during peace time. It needs to cut down to 15% to 18%. These are gigantic tasks, need consistent policy.
Dr. Miftah spoke, spoke very openly, didn't try to divert any question. and unlike other politicians did not get into blaming the oppositiona and previous government. good to see a politician to speak and express in this way
I am from India. I really appreciate the way this group discusses the most sensitive issues of the country without screaming, shouting and bulldozing other speakers with minimum listening, reflecting and logically speaking.
In India, most TV debates are pandemoniums of intellectuals.
After reviewing the comments I could see Indians have learnt a lot from the conversation of the current Economic condition of Pakistan. Thanks for presenting such a thoughtful and precise discussion. It is good for the people of Pakistan and India.
While it is an eye opener for people of India as to how and why the economy of Pakistan has tumbled, I found it funny as to how Miftah sb. is defensive on the topic of aftermath of PM Vajapayee's and PM Modi's visit to Pakistan. It was also hilarious to find out that that ministers think that by tweeting about tomatoes he could start food imports into Pakistan from India instead of removing the state ban on imports from India.
maine ye session pura dekha our pahali bar kisi session me itani sochane vaali our paDhi likhi audiance pakistan me dekhi jo sach pe bat kar rahi hai our sach par chalana chahati hai. Mai badhai dena chahata hu Sir Parvez ji ko jihnone itana achha program arenge kiya.
1:14:10what a wise and sincerely man putting daring question in such well versed way
He had no answer for 1:13:15.
Good to see there are sensible people Pakistan
Yup they don’t have the guts to respond but love to virtue signal all faults of India
Salute to the gentleman at 1:13:15 who has the guts to ask n honest question. Not even Indian people ask such brutally honest question to their politician.
and the speaker just doesn't answer the question. Very unfair
Pakistan intellectual elite class knows the truth but hardly anyone discuss it openly . They all are aware Jinnah made a mistake by creating a nation on the basis of religion but none are daring to say it directly . They say that indirectly. They always say openly how creating Taliban is now costing them but refusing to acknowledge sponsoring terrorism against India . Majority of them wants a secular Pakistan but hesitant to say frankly . More than Army they are afraid of religious fanatics . If you listen carefully and try to understand what they are trying to say you will realise they want to blame Jinnah , Army and Islamisation but can't do so openly fearing of public backlash. For majority of Pakistan they can accept criticism against Pakistan Army but they can't accept negativity against Jinnah and Islamisation of the country.
This man thinks when he is not in official power he will 'tweet' and the Indian officials will come running offering help! It's time elite pakis take direct questions n answer direct
His name is Waseem Altaf Sb.
Answer karenge to Pak Army se pichwade pe dande padenge 😂
Dear Prof. Hoodbhoy, you are doing a wonderful work in terms of educating the youth, on the current problems faced by Pakistan. In every episode, please allot some time for discussion on constructive evolution of solutions, so that the youth do not lose hope and become determined to solve the problem.
youth has been derailed from the right path by Imran Khan like politicians and the damage he has done in the past few years, is not recoverable soon. Other politicians are also self centered and give no heed to country's problems.
One of the best episodes of Prof Hoodbhoy is , his interaction with students from Hyderabad-India . it clearly shows a Guru is a Guru is. Guru. My Koti Koti naman to him
4 Easy way to solve the pakistan Economy
1.Establishing Fake currency note unit to print fake currency note of India and if possible US dollar currency
2.Establishing Drug unit and try maximum smuggled to more nation.
3.Selling nuclear Technology to terrorists countries in the name of friendship
4.Always using Victim card and begg for Dollars
5.selling more donkeys and girls to chinese
I am not a Pakistani, but i enjoyed this intelligent discussion. I am sure Pakistan will prosper if pakistanis follow these recommendations.
Where did you hear any recommendations?
I just heard Shaikh Chillion ki wet dreams!
These jokers will never get it.
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@@agrippa-theskeptic9346 need to respect them. They were part of us, but misguided. Now trying to come on track.
@@perfectionistpersona respect them?
Seriously?
For all the terrorism, hindu hatred, Mumbai Train attack, Parliament attack, Akshardham attack, Mumbai 2008, Uri, Pathankot, … .
Killing, raping, converting the poor Hindus in Pis’stan?
What are you?
A self loathing ars*&#@le?
They're brainwashed from childhood ,they infiltrate Religion into everything that's why people don't want to invest in this nation.
Agriculture is the most important sector of Pakistan's economy. But, for some strange reason, both Miftah Ismail and Pervaiz Hoodbhoy completely ignored it in their discussion. No one from the audience asked questions about agriculture. The fact is that no analysis of Pakistan's political economy is complete unless feudalism and taxation on agricultural land and production are included. Feudal lords are large landowners who are exempt from income tax. Feudal lords get themselves elected to parliament where they make laws to protect their own economic interests. The main reason for poverty in Pakistan is that the majority of Pakistani people live in the rural areas where they have no access to quality education, quality healthcare, and opportunities for advancement. Both feudal lords and government hardly invest any resources for uplifting the living standard of the people living in the rural areas. This is a serious challenge for Pakistan which is being ignored to the detriment of the country.
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They did discuss it. He told that we are importing daal. We can't even producde that thing to reach our needs.
Woah... that's quite insightful dude, but shame it's merely a comment on a RUclips video
Very correct point
Channels like these with such a proactive audience and productive discussions are highly appreciated 👍
Even though I'm from India 🇮🇳 then also I admire Mr. Parvez Sir and their Counterparts.
I don't know Hoodbhoy but the guy he's interviewing is a certified crook, every Pakistani knows it. He's part of the corrupt mafia that has been robbing Pakistan and its citizens. The fact that he is inviting this crook to speak, says a lot about the interviewer as well.
@@ESRz ohh sorry bruh I didn't know that... Then why was the audience handling him very smoothly and steadily. I mean they would have asked him some tough questions...
Exactly me too
@@arjunKaisaAbhi Perhaps because the audience might be uninformed students or the like, not sure. Imran Khan's government was the first honest and credible civilian government in Pakistan and was pursuing Ismail along with others, who had been part of the corrupt ruling elite and facilitated transactions and corrupt practices at the cost of billions of rupees to the Pakistani taxpayer. In 2019, the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) arrested former prime minister and PML-N senior Vice-President Shahid Khaqqan Abbasi in one such multibillion rupees LNG scam, and the anti-graft watchdog raided the house of ex-finance minister Miftah Ismail to arrest him over his alleged involvement in the same scandal although he escaped. He was brought back after the criminal Shahbaz Sharif was returned to power by General Bajwa once they made a deal with each other. A bunch of thieves, the whole lot.
What is the solution of inflation if you know the answer give the solution otherwise don't tell any other answers.
Greetings from New Delhi...Me and my wife have very fond memories of being hosted by Miftah Ismail at his residence for 3 days around 20 years ago when we visited Karachi as Rotarians as guests of Rotary Club of Karachi Sunset Millennium. The hospitality was overwhelming.
I’m listening to him for the first time: he’s mesmerising.
Go bro and live there for 1 year, after a year your daughter would be converted to Islam and your name would be Navin sardana khan .Ye ek din ki chandni hai , ek din kisi bhi country me jaoge to aaisa hi feel hoga .Check their history first , the minorities in pakistan is on extinction
@@sanjaychauhan1116 ekdum sahi
@@sanjaychauhan1116 wow! You are true Bhakt. Be proud.
Just 8 minutes past the video I pressed like button.
Persons like him should be in power in Pakistan
The guy who asked the question at 1:13:00 is spot on.
Uss questions ko kya he ignore mara he 🤣🤣🤣
Gand mar di😂
I have always admired Dr. Miftha but really amazed to hear him in this session.He has explained every thing in such a simple way without compromising on the concept. Salute to you Sir.
Having said this with due respect I disagree with your suggestions on education system especially with reference to the private school. I have been teaching children of the humble class from both types of schools. Believe me the students from private schools are worst because they pay big fee on the name of English medium and they neither know Urdu nor English.
I listen to Mr. Hoodbhoy very carefully and this is a very healthy discussion. Thanks to Mr. Ismail for being so candid. I would like most Indians to watch this discussion to make sure that youngs of our nation acquire skills and knowledge to become productive instead of depending upon government welfare programs. Self-dependence is the only way to prosperity of individuals and nation.
1:13:12 salute to that sensible man. I hope Pakistanis are watching his question
More Indians in the comments section than Pakistanis. Respect to both the men for intellectual discussion.
Miftah Sir speaks blunt to the point and fact he is a game changer
Loda sala bahut currupt hai ye
In true terms Prof Hoodbhoy is igniting young minds in pak
01:13:00 is the part I watched in a reel that's why I came here to find out what will be his answer about India going out of the way to normalize relation with pakistan but I find only silence. 🤔
Once I watched Dr.Mifta Ismail debate in TV. On that day I noticed that he have guts n intelligent person. I thought he is not suitable for politics bcz politics is the worst for such person. Specific for Pakistan politics.
Excellent and brilliant analysis. He is really an asset to his country .
ماشاءاللہ بہت معلوماتی گفتگو سننے کو ملی کاش اس قسم کا پروگرام ہمارا مین سٹریم میڈیا بھی دیکھا پاتا۔
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Bus ap pathan dehshatgardi pehlana chordo chutiya qom pathan
Huge respect for Dr, Prof Hoobdby .
Two legends of our country great discussion thank you #black_hole.
Good to see a full house for a highly engaging discussion.
Dr Miftah Ismail sounds like a smart man. This show is doing an excellent job. Thank you Dr Hoodbhoy.
@1:13:14 most sane person in this podcast. And brave too to speak fair about Ind Pak trials at peace.
You are right Dr. Miftah Ismail
DocSaab what a wonderful guest. I have seen it twice. I’ve not missed a single program of- The Black Hole.
You are doing great job in popularizing science in a society plagued by regressive ideologies.Kudos
Indian government did not ban trade with Pakistan, Pakistanis did. Also when Pakistani PM is very reluctant to start trade with India, U can't expect India to get excited and take the risks only to get embarrassed by getting declined by the Pakistani PM. Until and unless higher ups in ur Government/Military take intrest in starting trade with India,there is very less hope. And I don't see Higher Pakistani Military officials very interested in starting trade with India. And it's a sad reality that Pakistani Military has a lot of influence in Pakistani government and its policies.
You feel compelled to give these joker Pis’stanis an explanation?
Seriously?
The real problem is the establishment that is sitting and conspiring against prosperity behind closed doors. a common citizen of Pakistan wants to see economic growth.
@@malikShoaib-fj6fj whatever!
You deserve what you get.
India did send you guys medicine and mosquito nets. You have to ask these things officially not on twitter
bro i am researching India For 4 years and i find the far left of India mostly better Knowledgeable than PhD Pakistani They have zero research on India just trap in anti India propaganda
I enjoyed listening to Miftah Sahib for the first time.
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy your program is excellent. I am from Gurgaon India and work as a Healthcare Business Consultant and accidentally landed in your You Tube Channel and I sincerely appreciate the quality of discussion. Quite comprehensive and candid. Try to get some Indian intellectuals from diverse fields and I am sure your audience would appreciate that. Sir keep it up!
Really surprised to see the comment from the audience on the peace initiatives of Vajpayee and Modi, very candid and honest discussion.
Only if they had a honest answer to the gentlemen at 1:13:13 - Pakistan would have been at a different place today 🤫
Lmao pura ignore he mar diya 🤣🤣🤣
Us aadmi ne literally bolti band kar di 🤣
he ditched that question intentionally
You have to understand that they're still sitting and doing this program in Pakistan where these people can be kidnapped, jailed or worse killed for speaking the truth. Keeping that in mind, I think people like Dr. Hoodbhoy & Miftah Ismail are doing an admirable job.
Well Informing Session.Thnks To Prof Hoodbhay and Miftah shb
1:13:11 How cleverly the Question asked here was not answered like it was never asked
I am worried about the life of the person who asked this question, Pakistan Army may have picked him up later.
@@kanadchauhan may be
But I request the indian audience not to blindly believe and support people like Pervez Hoodbhoy and Ishtiaq Ahmed. They cant talk about Islmic radicalism, forced conversion of minor hindu girls without bringing RSS, Modi, Hindutva and india
Unlike Indian left which never talk about islam, pakistan minorities, but on the opposite side say there is nothing inside pakistan and all wrongs are inside india.
@@HarshVermaJhs true, I feel same
Gand fat gyi
بہت شاندار پروگرام کیا ھے
He is exactly right about education, I have from the interior Sind and the education has gone worst in last 20 years especially during Zardari rule.
Really heartbreaking yet also very candid and sincere and professional talk by miftah except his affiliation with n league.
He is more clear headed than the Pervez sb
Well balanced and mostly unbiased analysis by miftah.
It is time to set our priority and move forward.
We need to start somewhere and awareness of the challenges and solutions is the first step.
Keep it up.
Need to have more of such talks and debates with unbiased and sincere experts without prejudices.
Such a good, academic and comprehensive conversation; learnt a lot. Thank you!
Dr miftah ismail is indeed one of the best intellectual and economist.
I am from india read mr miftah ismail editorials and this video is makes me feel real sad for Pakistan and india bcz jidhar pakistan jaa raha hai uska nuksan hamein bhi hoga
He skipped to give answer about Modiji's visit and Atalji's visit
I also noticed that
I am pleasantly surprised to watch a such a programme where the viewers were also very serious about the ailing Pak economy.Mr Miftah was quite candid in his views.Educatuon has to be a priority area for Pakistan.
I am an Indian and retired as a Deputy General Manger in 2020 in one of largest Public Sector Bank in India.The way education is imparted in India and competitive exams are held ,it gives priority to merit.Besides the underprivileged are given reservations which results into upliftment of those who are on the bottom of pyramid.
I think Government in Pakistan should try to implement it.
Best of luck 🙏
I'm from karnataka india. In our village burqa clad girls riding scooter at midnight after attending various coaching classes near by town. Another important thing without kashmir issue Pakistan military can't survive. Unfortunately no one has talk about tax structure of Pakistan in front of economist.
I'm kashmiri (pakistani) but south india is a different story i have came to know. Yes Pak Army benifits from kashmir issue, but don't really fight for it. Just budget. Hopefully this has been changed recently
Has anyone asked u about that 🤣🤣u want award for that burkha clad from brainwashed Pakistan people
Barbaad gulistan karne ko bas ek hi ullu kafi tha,
har shakh pe ullu baitha hai anjam-e-gulistan kya hoga - Kaifi azmi
@@randomdosing7535 said "Hopefully this has been changed recently"
For 75 years the amiriat model hasn't changed, so why will it change now?
As Yana Mir (Indian Kashmiri) said to Fakhar Yousafzai "Kashmir is NOT an issue - Pakistan makes it an issue, like a crazy man wanting an already married woman"
@@randomdosing7535 South India culturally is a different place than North India and Pakistan.
I listened to it late but really learned a lot.
Need more such apolitical talks from unbiased professionals to be clear about our issues and their solutions.
A very stimulating video discussion. There is more to the uncalled for decision making. Among other, the pricing structure decision making particularly in the agriculture sector has not been addressed. And this is also true for industrial sector. The conflict between political "needs" and the harsh economic realities need to be addressed. Any way this video is breath of fresh air.
Both of you are very rational and learned intelligent people. A humble request to Dr.Parwez, please speak in a little simpler Urdu so that we Indians can understand in a better way.
Thank you The Black Hole for this wonderful & candid discussion !!!
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Loads & loads of love & best wishes for this channel.
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Do continue these types of discussions please by the leading economists of Pakistan in the future!
Some of the suggestions are as follows:
Dr. Qaiser Bengali: Khi
Dr. Shahram Azhar: US/Pindi-Isb
Dr. Taimur Rehman: Lhr
Dr. Atif Mian: US
Shahrukh Wani: UK
Khurram Husain: Khi
Ammar Khan: Khi
Areeba Habib: Khi
And whoever you think is competent.
Availability is of big concern because none of the above-mentioned are based in Islamabad so please consider online sessions. Thanks
These are twitter economists. You need to do a bit more research about Pakistan’s best economic minds. Dr Parvez Hasaan, Hafiz Pasha, Shahid Javed Burki. Atif Mian is good amongst the names you provided.
@@asadejazbutt9296 Infact I would say a large % of pakistan's GDP is spent on tackling a fake fear of India... Even Pak people in foriegn countries, instead of helping relations in Pak, they spend a lot of money in anti india activities, funding things like Khalistan... which is irrelevent for situation in Pakistan... Instead of doing all that, it is better to sit and play secondlife.
Splendid talk...very well explained the economic woes of the country.
I wonder why this channel appeared on my timeline so late. Wonderful discussion infact somewhat thirst quenching of knowledge. Thanks for all these effort
Sensible, intriguing discussion. Ex finance minister Miftah Ismail is candid. Parvej Hoodboy as always rational, practical.
Heard about prof Pervaiz, must say worth mentioning for his doings to enlighten youth of Pakistan.
Comments from Indian side , Amazed !
1:27:25👍
Love from Kashmir to Dr.Hoodbhoy
You're here for this🔥
1:13:15
And the guest got around to answer it.
This country will never recover!!!
Thanks
Heartbreaking that Pakistan is where it is despite having people like Mr Mifta and Dr Hoodbhoy...
Excellent conversation, but Miftah seemed to be helpless in responding to the specific questions regarding defense spending. This is the major reason for our current predicament.
Excellent. Mifta Ismail for Prime Minister of Pakistan, soon.
None of the current MNA's and so called political figures have got that clarity in thoughts and a few solutions.
Audience is very mature and well researched. As an Indian i have to say The Black Hole is doing impressive work. Keep it up. Respect from India🇮🇳🇮🇳. And also is notion that Modi is Hindutva strongmen but Modi will never undermine India's economy interest becoz of vote politics. Pakistan has created roadblocks in trade so only Pakistan have initiate dialogue don't expect India to be enthusiastic about it.
Well you're hindutva is based on indo aryan invasion and the oppressive cast system and oppression of dravidians and the separists of India and minorities according to the guardian India is worst country for women what a great place India is
I mean mr hoodboy is foreign educated
Agreed. Its Pakistan who need good relations with India.
Dr Miftah ! Very impressive he has the diagnosis and real treatment and he is right in current political circumstances betterment cannot be achieved with out bitter pill.
I am from India .. kattar hindu.. but i like prof Parvez sir lectures..i have hughe respect for him.. his explanations are great.. wish he was born in India like Dr Abdul Kalam sir..
What is kattar Hindu??
@@bipinchandra7866 right wing hindu
Bro... He too like everyone else thinks that muslims are being discriminated in India....So STFU
don't be kattar otherwise India became pak
@@vishalyadavvashu That's is the difference B/w Dharma and mazhab... A kattar hindu is secular but a musalmaan, be it kattar or not can never be secular.... This is because the foundation of their religion is hate towards idol worshippers.
We can differentiate in few things but these types of discussions are really eye opener
Greetings from India. I have seen many Pakistani public opinion videos in RUclips and onething I found common is that Pakistani makes everything connected to Religion. Jasba & Junoon are the common words we can hear all the time. Nobody talks with facts and figures. Being a Data Analyst, I love discussions where facts are presented. This is for the first time I have seen this channel and pleased to see that even Pakistan has people who talks on facts.
I have one submission to make :
Miftah ji spoke about PM Modi and spoke about the Gujrat riots. I think, he has not done enough research on this topic and spike based on his biases.
Few facts, I would like to place here -
1. Modi ji came to power as CM of Gujrat on 7 October 2001 and the riots started on 27 February 2002. Exactly in 144 days (ie. 5 month) riots started. Don't you think, it was too short time for anyone to do something of this sort. He won't get enough time to prepare for it and come out clean.
2. I have seen Modi was compared with Hitler by few. So, let me share few facts on those lines. Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany in 1933 and WW 2 started in 1939. Even he took years to do something of this sort.
3. Coming back to Modi & Gujrat riots. It is on records that Modi ji asked neighboring states to help him with extra security force but he was denied. From 01 Dec 1998 to 08 Dec 2003, Ashok Gehlot led Government was in power in Rajasthan. Which means it was Congress (INC) Government and riots took place in 2022. I am sure, we are smart enough to connect the dots.
4. In 2012 Supreme Court gave clean chit to Modi ji and let's not forget that Congress was in power at the center during that time. I would request Miftah ji to do some good research on points he puts forwards.
Mentioning dates and making wild assumptions doesn't come under the heading of data analysis. It's called speculation. Although you failed to prove your case, I do agree in principle that if Modi ji were in fact a terrorist, India wouldn't have elected him.
@@ibratnak then pls enlighten us with facts.
Brother, it seems from your comment that you aren't even aware of the basics of the riot.
#1 & 2 make no sense - the allegation isn't that Modi planned for months/ years to do a planned gen0_cide.
The allegation is that:
1. He actively fueled sentiments of Hindus, with a parade of dead bodies after the Godhra burning of karsweaks
2. He told his police force to stand back as people rioted
3. He let various hindutwa groups run riot
Sanjeev Bhatt, IPS who was the only one who testified against Modi, (that Modi instructed the police force to stand back) - is facing lifetime imprisonment now, under a separate case.
Haren Pandya - bjp minister who was the other one who testified (saying the same) was murdered.
There were many convictions including of Modi's ministers and Bajrang Dal members.
Now under current regime - Maya kodnani's is free, so is her assistant who had been convicted.
The bilkis bano rapists are all free - pardoned. Can you explain why, and if this isn't proof of complicity?
Many of the above people are on video (I think in the 'Tehelka tapes') confessing to the heinous crimes on camera, and how a certain politician helped them.
The cases were transfered by SC to Mumbai, because it didn't believe the trials in Gujarat were free and fair. Many cases restarted and many convicted. But even after transfer, the SIT wasn't completely free. Congress had no role in SC rulings.
And your #3 hinting something on gehlot - can you explain the connection? The Delhi riots recently happened in Delhi, where central police force rules. The same police force which shot dead 28 people in CAA protests, didn't fire a single bullet in an actual riot. That too during heightened security because of Trump visit. Why? Because there was Delhi elections and riots always helps one party. Police was seen on video helping one side in the riots.
And on Hitler - it isn't about 2002, but something horrible 'will happen' in future in this country for sure, the way the masses are being radicalized and one community rentlesssly, ruthlessly demonized.
Modi will become as famous as Putin one day, for his actions.
@@mrgyani Thanks for your points. Much appreciate for putting across so much efforts in sharing the points.
Pls allow me to put across how I look at it -
Sanjiv Bhatt had 2 Custodial Torture case (one leading to Death if not wrong) in 1990 & 1998 and False Framing of Crime in 1996. And when did Riots happen. He was sentanced in 2012 and from 2004 till 2014, it was Manmohan Singh's Govt. As people say, he had close association with INC Leaders, then why was he not saved :). Now coming back to his statement, SIT formed as per SC order and headed by Ex-CBI Chief. So, it isout of scope to think that he can be influenced. Also, one of the Witness whom he presented later gave statement that he was forced and threatened by Bhatt. Mr. Bhatt's history doesn't look like he is a man of honor and true.
Out of all the Points, Supreme Court upholds clean chit given by SIT. So, I consider SC to be above all and can't make any mistake.
Coming to CAA protest, well NE vs Rest of India protested for different reasons. In NE, people opposed stating No Ammendment to be done in the Bill whereas in Rest of India it was to do with why not included all religions in the Bill. We have gone through the NRC process and it went smoothly. Although few data entry issues came up. For example, my Mother was shown as wife for my Dad, my sister, my wife and for myself. But the correction happened easily. Regarding the death, 23 people died it UP for sure but do we know who were they and what could be the motive. Kindly, check this link (www.newsclick.in/who-were-23-people-killed-during-anti-caa-nrc-protests) and look at the profession of those people. This is my assumption only but I am convinced that those people had no idea what they were going for.
For Bilkis bano's case, I completely Condem the decission to release those convicts. That was a heinous crime and deserves no mercy. I hope SC will take corrective measures.
Once again, Thanks for engaging on such debate. It was for you, I read little more on Mr. Bhatt. Although, he doesn't deserve my time but still it was a good read 🙂
@Sunny Gaates What do you mean by Cult? Are you indicating the Country or the Faith.
These are amazing sessions. Great job everyone involved. Please keep going!
I am from India. Its very good discussion. I would like to say that I don’t know anyone who voted for BJP due to anti Pakistan or anti Muslim agenda. Everyone who voted was always for development. There is not much anti Muslim sentiment in India which I know.
… you feel compelled to give an explanation to these jokers?
Why?
Let them burn in their filth!
India ko, hume toh, inhone sirf dard hi diya hai - pehele din se!
That's nonsense, at least since 2019 bjp gets vote on hindutwa, nationalism and jingoism alone. Nothing else.
Vikas, development are history - haven't heard of vikas since I don't remember how long.
But Pakistan also gets vote on India. It's a lie that anti India sentiment don't work there. Imran Khan's whole agenda was that he will deal with India 'strongly', unlike Nawaz. Slogans like 'modi ka Jo yaar Hai, gaddar hai'. If you saw PTI Twitter handles they would be FULL of anti India comments. Any conspiracy theory against India - no matter how absurd, spreads like wildfire in all sections of their society.
Other than Modi we had rahul with incompetent Congress leaders which is absolutely no.
AAP can be a better option and opposition than congress
Yep, here in Utter Pradesh ppl are ready to kill themselves over religion
@@nitin1947 Hindus are different from mullas. Hindus don't have to do violence for "allah ka khauf", Hindus are more educated, more richer, more intelligent, more smart and more appealing. And I'm not even talking about whole population, I'm just mentioning about the top 20% of population of both countries as they run the country, others just follow.
Do you call China "communist paxtan" or "atheist paxtan". That's a very stupid argument and logic presented by you, try something better next time. As India is better with a party with people having wet dreams of akhand Bharat than to have a party which has anti Hindu and tukde tukde gang members, islamists sympathizers.
It's heartening to see girls in the audience concerned about their future, education and employment
50 years ago if you'd asked any Pakistani economist the same questions, he would have given you the same answers. Today is today but 50 years from now you'd be asking the same questions to Pakistani economists or anyone and the answers (unfortunately) will be the same. What this says is that the reasons could be these but the problem is much more fundamental. There is no desire to progress. There is no nationalism. The problems are ethical, moral, religious, social. These are just symptoms, keep discussing them.
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Mera is minister k baare me negative views the but after this conversation with pervez sir I would like to say he is generous man for the people of Pakistan in the respect of education
@36:41 until last few months, India too had the same issue with its government run airline. Privatisation has started showing improvement in it’s running especially on punctuality to begin with.
Someone from audiance asked a question about trade with India but no straight answer was given by speaker except blaming India for not responding positively. However matter of the fact is that bilateral trade was stopped by Pakistan Govt and choicest of personal abuse was used by PM of Pakistani against our Indian PM.
We don't trade with enemy countries as simple as that.
If you want trade , first be a good neighbor and a good beggar :).
Then we might reconsider !!?
Thats true, if the speaker is not honest himself to take the blame. Secondly such discussions don't happen on Twitter, and he himself mentions that his PM was not in favour about it. Finally India had given MFN status to Pakistan whereas Pakistan not. Stop blaming Modi, he has done far better to Indian Muslims socially, economically then any other previous governments, who used them for just vote.
@@sudhakarbe abee tu h kon nalle berozgar sadakchaap bhikharisthani hm konsa chahte h,hm without bhikharisthaan grow kr rhe h non it exports 400bl$ h 5th largest economy with 560Bl$ ke reserves,chl nikal terrorist country ke 🤡
@@sudhakarbe 🤣🤣
@@sudhakarbe 🤡🤡then enjoy being a beggar
Two think tanks delivered worthwhile discussion to think for future of Pakistan. Thank you very much sir.👍
I am actually highly obliged to express my very thankfulness to you for your very knowledge-sharing efforts that you are actually doing it for all the people.
Dr. Miftah Ismail, a man of wisdom. Brilliantly explained Pakistan’s plight. (We are not productive at all and are not willing to become so).
Remember Mr. Mifta despite all his knowledge and wisdom was and remains a part of the thugs known as PML(N). Who even in this crises are only working for the interests of a narrow clique of greedy and corrupt politicians.
It is so pleasant to hear Dr Ismail
Pl do more programs like this.
I am from India.
Sir AP bht asha Kam kar rahe hain hamre logo ko smja rahe ho Kash hamry log sahi direction par aa jae
Parvez Sahab, I am your ardent admirer , in fact all the countries have so much to learn from you. Your stress on education is right but as Mifta saheb says, consolidation of democracy at grassroot level and empowering parents is equally important. Though it isn't well known, India's local self governments are doing wonders at village, town, municipal and all the local block, tehsil and district levels. Zilla Parishad chairman enjoy minesterial level power and also responsibility ! State's competence level and governing abilities are no less than that of Center. Mri Modi as a Chief minister of Gujarat did an amazing job of transforming Gujarat Beauracracy, converted in to a mega-Public service machinery.
Miftah Ismail is a well known crook in Pakistan... He's saying all this about grassroots democracy as lip service just like they all do while rap-ing the nation. Disgusting creatures the both of them.
The most perfect outcome of democracy for a nation of donkeys is a highly qualified donkey.
@@ibratnak You're leaking. I suppose a murderer suits your kind then.
@@ibratnak 😂😂 your comment sums up the whole story, why your country is broke right now. You people produce hate, hate and hate.
@@Vk-sk7nm wrong. Rich countries produce hatred and invade other countries, but since they have money, everybody stays quiet.
Most of discussion is full of wisdom
Both countries must learn and improve
Enjoyed the discussion.The problems are properly identified and solutions given.The comparative analysis with Bangladesh is quite reflective of realities.
The discussion will stay here. No effect unless practical measures are taken. This is a commom practice of having such discussions in pakistan. Blame , game corruption but no solutions. No unity no discipline.
I agreed most the part of miftah ISMAIEL policies about governance towards Pakistan
He is in footfront to educate Pakistani nation about economy. Better than economy teachers
Front foot
Forefront!
That’s what Pakistan needs.
Keep on such discussions.
Read indian national education policy 2020.....now india will march towards, practical experience, industry interface, sports, employable, industry will train during summer vacation.... Students will be able to understand industry, work culture..,... This is going to be game changer in 20 years.... Jai hind
Good!
Yeah it could be game changer from Indian or regional perspective but the real requirement is talent which is lacking in this region. One cannot teach donkeys to be engineers.
Let us see in 10-15 years. The religious radicalization we have introduced in our society, I don't see the current generation in India discussing science, economy, education - I only see them talking religion, nationalism, ideology.
All the talent we produced who are earning us good name abroad was produced in a secular, liberal, peaceful India. Don't know what the picture will be like in the next 15 years. I shudder to think.
Current govt is great at creating slogans and schemes - from swacch bharat, to smart cities, to make in India, to PLI, to education policy - no result in any.
@@mrgyani chutiya. Stats and facts pe Baat kar. Bhokne se kuch nhi hone wala. Lekin agar stats pe jaega to fir tera agenda nhi chal paega
@@randomdosing7535 talent is there. If you're Indian then you're just blind.
@@mrgyani you need to change your perception that we are not advancing in education day by day irrespective of our diversity and disagreement.
What a genius are parveez Sir.We need such a teacher with great vusuals.
Miftah Ismael Sir, you have impressed me with your thoughts. It is sad that you have been repaced by Ishaq Dar.
Sir, Pervez is the best professor in the history of Pakistan.
Yes, in 1965 when he was young, he wanted to join Pakistan Army to fight 1965 war against india.
Till 2010, World Bank was a major partner in several Infrastructure development projects, particularly that of irrigation, power, fertilizer and roads. The central bank authorizes state government to enter in to nogotiations with World Bank and allied institutions. The partnership was extremely useful in developmental poverty removal programs. As Mifta saheb has said loans are good provided they are used productively.
Zabardast mitah Ismail sb
One of the most candid and honest interview by any pakistani politician. Indians should remain grateful to their politicians irrespective of political parties, they lead properly and not pushed people in to the ditches like our neighbours 🙂🙂PV Narasimha Rav & Manmohan Singh team was the best combination, Rav was an educationist and Singh was an Economist! Both together had put India on the path of welfare and prosperity. Today's well being of India is because of education, technology and pursuit of scientific temperaments. Hat's off to Indian parents, teachers, student's, schools, universities,banks and idares for their grit and commitment to nation.
Right said… Rao was one of the best prime ministers of India. But his achievements have been forgotten/overlooked.
@@RockstarRSTR
Personally many of us can't forget, it opened up the doors for prosperity to middle-class and poor people . Manmohan singh made rupee fully convertible and opened up the doors for foreign education
Don't go overboard. Before 1991 MMS was an integral part of the Govt for 25 years which wreaked havoc on the Indian Economy. Late 60s to 1991 was probably the worst period for our country. Even PVNR was a senior for 2 decades. Reforms happened because we were left with no option. Unfortunately these Reforms slowed down after the initial burst and came to a grinding halt due to opposition from the family frontmen like Arjun Singh, Tewari etc. The opposition in the party was so fierce that Rao as Congress President could not get even one supporter of his to the Working Committee at the Tirupati session in April 1992. All seats were won by those opposing the opening up of the economy.
@@dodiraj1
Yes, very true that we had no option but selection of this option of opening the economy was very important. I know how difficult it was to get $100 for foreign travel. Dollars duel rates is thing of past
@@bbhusari I belong to the generation which lived it's prime years during that time. So I am speaking with experience.
But I do agree that Miftah Ismail is probably the best FinMin that Pakistan has ever had except his obvious bias against India which would be expected from a Pakistan.
Glad to know people like him Pakistan have, well educated person
Prospects, you got me on that one. Nice one. Comedy is quite essential part of one’s entertainment, glad that you’ve not neglected that important feature.
Good for the future of Pakistan this discussion.
Correction suggested at 17:50. India’s IT export is NOT US$ 150 Billion! It is US$ 178 Billion 😊
@@Soul77.7 😅That's why You guys never gonna raise.Tell you one thing that Your Aawam gonna break Your nation
@@Soul77.7 it's funny you still mention it. your statement would have had some value 20 years back. Open defecation has almost been fully evicted. Infact, I'm sure your country would have more open defection cases than india, that's not even per capita. Best of luck with your polio drive.
@@Soul77.7 how much is pakistan toilet import 😅😅 imf loan may not be able to cover it
@@Soul77.7 think about faild terror State Pakistan and it's billions dollars debt of IMF and World Bank 😈
@@Soul77.7 All the rivers which flow to Pakistan from India has Indian sewerage. Every Pakistani has tasted Indian toilet by now.
Hasi hasi main, dastane jurm bayan kar gaye, Saja to sunai nhe Naye Nizam k dastan de gaye .... appreciate the tough talk...
WOW... this is the only forum where I see Ex Finance Minister speaks of his heart and had shown his capabilities. Pakistan problem is Pakistan's mentality and attitude. As I see, Pakistan needs to forget India, Israel, USA, etc., it needs to think about itself what is good its society. As an Indian, I can tell that Pakistan is now past and no more in Indian thinking for any co-operation. 2nd point , Taliban is a mentality in Pakistan. Some section of every society in Pakistan is Talibanized, even Pak Army is Talibanized. The problem of Taliban will not go away overnight, it will take at least 3 generations. 3rd point, once I calculated, Pak army sucks 40 to 45% annual budget every year during peace time. It needs to cut down to 15% to 18%. These are gigantic tasks, need consistent policy.
Intellectual should be protected and followed..god bless Pakistan