I am from India. Kudos to these two young economists who seem to be genuinely interested in their country. It is so heartening to listen to nonagenarian Mr Babar. I hope there are more discussions of this level to motivate young entrepreneur. Best of luck!
Nice to hear from Mr.Ali- your personal recall of peri-partition era is very revealing - in that I got a view point from Pakistan from someone with a personal experience.
A Living legend. Syed Babar Ali is a ‘GOAT’ of Pakistan! Thank you for this amazing and insightful discussion. This is something I have been thinking about forever, why don’t conglomerates is Pakistan invest overseas. Turns out they are not allowed to 🥶 This is something government should work on an urgent basis, at least allow Pakistani companies to make investments in Marketable Securities of the world for a dividend in USD
Fascinating to listen to someone who was already a youngster at independence time. Somehow, what is missing here is the fact that lot of hatred and prejudice is being injected into little children through school curriculum. This is harmful and root cause of problems. Addressing it will create a new generation who can think freely and innovate better
Praising people like criticising is totally different please try to criticise him you will find totally different attitude from him I worked with him 22 years shoulder to shoulder he used to tell me about my talent and same what you are hearing one day I told him something which go in his self interest next day he deserted me in creation of lums systems I had role he used to travel with me but he deserted me because of small self interest sir may be I was stupid or he was too clever and he allowed one company to leave Pakistan truth is still there I don’t dare to talk but I will take it with me to grave and question the day him regards
Babar sahib was talking about Sehgals (from Chakwal) the name he forgot. Sehgols not only invested in oil gas, they put up largest textile mill in Lyall Pur / Faisalabad named Koh e Noor textile mills with hundred thousand spindles (a number which defined the size of mills at that time)... Now only Koh e Noor city and big shopping mall is left as remnants of this industry. 😢
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀 These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business. Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
First of all, was delighted to watch this conversation purely because it had 3 of the very few Pakistanis we all should be proud of. Now to the slightly hollow feeling, feel Babar sb is just way too decent and courteous to actually hit the nail on be more forthright on the reasons and causes of our national malaise. I can see the subliminal frustration in Dr Atif as he kept pushing for more insightful answers but couldn’t really get those. In the end, full respect to Babar sb for his optimism but I really don’t think we have any chance or hope any redemption.
I wish they had asked what are the next steps, how do we move forward, what are the key 5 things we need to do. Accolades to each other are fine, what's the takeaway!
Mr Babar Ali can hardly be called merely a legend... Some better words are there for him ... The gentleman is a real Punjabi... No more no less a living being' in the middle of the hell fire...
Don’t give up. At the age of 98 a person that’s seen it all says this with humility and the blessing of wisdoms. Deeply inspiring and grateful 🙏🏾. But key areas were removed / not addressed adequately. Pakistan has to stop hating India or treating it as a peer. We have moved far ahead and will continue to do so. Yes regardless of Indian politicians also being crooks seldom we have elections, rule of law that jails said crooks 5/10 times , a military and police that protects us and not the other way around, and a really vibrant civil society to ensure our Muslims thrive. Hindus and so called lower class Muslims are tortured in 95% of the cases in Pakistan. Was shocked to learn Pakistan never had a constitution for so long and grateful to the wisdom of Patel , Ambedkar and Rajendra Prasad for giving us a constitutional framework 🙏🏾
Syed Babar Ali could've been Ratan Tata of Pakistan had he been focused more on building a legacy and being an entrepreneur rather than making money by becoming a businessman
Sadly, the discussion doesn't lead to anywhere, it makes no sense. It was just a recollection of Babar sb memories. There was no tangible evidence that the first 10 years were most progressive....
12:42 Fazlur Rehman did a blunder, in hindsight. Completely stupidity to overvalue a currency of a developing country. 😅 16:20 The key problem that Pakistan just wanted to be close to America. This was another blunder. 17:56 So the issue was never Muslim as the deciding factor, Even a Ghulam Farouk would stay back because he had a big job in India! 20:25 Another big blunder, delaying the constitution. No pardon for this blunder. 23:04 What a revelation. That no one had the vision of looking the future. Clearly, it looked like a Jinnah power grab story? 24:21 The obsession on Kashmir, that was another blunder! 27:01 The Bhutto blunder of Nationalisation😢 and the private sector brains flew out. 35:00 The deregulation also did not help, unlike India. 36:15 The highways and infrastructure was built only to feed the greed of the powerful Military Junta, and that is how possibly the Chinese took roots in the usurious loans for infarstructure. 37:55 What an example of Mahindra and Mahindra, India. But you missed that this company was half owned by the first FM of Pakistan. It was called as Mahindra and Mohammed😂 40:20 Obsession in Real estate is another blunder. 46:40 This point on “collective interest” index. Pakistan is way way down on this index, how? ALL OF THE ABOVE, is only because of “power grab” mentality….The Army which became a Military Junta of politics. Nothing else will help. With the army establishment and the paranoia of Security State, is the only and only reason why 49:01 a drowning of Pakistan is inevitable. 51:00 The factory of creating hatred, it is so much in Pakistan! 54:01 Staying Positive. 😊
I am against the idea that Syed Babar Ali says "... you are sitting at a place which generates new thought and we need it"! Because if you will have this attitude that the first hand knowledge will be created in the west and it will eventually be copied in countries like Pakistan, you will never motivate the idea that "We too can think, create, and use knowledge to make ourselves better" !!! Why to look up to the west and wait for them to make a move and then copy, why not motivate the idea of innovation and discovery from Pakistan
Enjoyed the interview and learnt a lot from it. Time has come for free movement within the three countries of South Asia so that the whole region can grow together. That is the elephant in the room.
No. no free movement from India. Even indian diplomats should be banned from our great Country. S jaishankar was treated like a dog in Pakistan but he should have been banned from even entering.
Bhai kya chahte ho ? India will not remain a Hindu country if free movement is allowed so no it shouldn’t be allowed . It can be allowed between all other countries of subcontinent like Nepal, Bhutan, Srilanka, Myanmar etc
I heard it intently , but sorry to say, all three failed to spot the fundamental drivers of Pakistan's Serial Failures, which imho is a cocktail of Design Defect of Purpose, Anti-India Fervor, Political Islam, Army's Pole Position and Tyranny of History. Addressing one driver won't change the situation; what's needed is a Persistent Package to address ALL the drivers.
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀 These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business. Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
You stay stuck at the same point about your six-times smaller neighbor, meanwhile China leaps 4 to 5 times ahead of you in almost every measurable index. What a pity!
@@FiveRivers.well china opened its economy in the 70’s way ahead on India bro…don’t also forget a one party rule there, India’s development may be slower but long lasting unlike the Chinese bubble
The thing is those things can't change because that's the fundamental identity of Pakistan. If you take that away it collapses. So, pakistan can only splinter further(like it happened once in 1971). Basically like that dialogue in sholay: thakur na jhuk sakta hai na toot Sakta hai thakur sirf mar sakta hai.
Good discussion but I feel you have not even touched upon one of the other key factors - for things to change, the political/military establishment will need to have a change of heart and that includes stopping this obsession with your larger neighbor. Otherwise a dis-proprtionate share of national resources will continue to be mis-allocated. I am an Indian and feel India did three things rights during the first 20-25 years after independence that created a different trajectory for it vs. Pakistan: 1. As you pointed out, putting together a constitution and maybe more importantly creating the linguistic basis for creation of states. That laid the foundation of the federal structure we have today 2. Heavy investment in creating an industrial base led by the state with whatever US or Soviet capital was available since as Babar sahab pointed out, private capacity was lacking. 3. Most critical might have been investment in higher education (albeit at the cost or primary education) with the creation of IIT’s, IIM’s and regional institutes that has led to the world class talent that are the envy of the world now. Asim made a very important point in that a lot of countries go through a period of corruption and crony capitalism and eventually grow out of it when a few companies start churning out products that are globally competitive. The big hope for India now is that we churn out 5-6 such global firms that can compete with the best from the US and China. We can then be the next China with the additional advantage of a stable political system. Granted we keep our social structure open and inviting for everyone.
SAARC has completely failed.. Post Independence such degradation in 3 nation states unfathomable.. I may be wrong 2 nation policy completely ruined both the countries.. Pakistan and Bangladesh..
Interesting notion that Constitution had to wait because Kashmir Imbroglio was great pre-occupation; but then this was started knowingly despite having a standstill agreement.
Exactly 😂. How difficult was it to assign some intellectuals to create an initial draft and then have discussions on them to arrive at consensus. These guys were never serious.
But majority of Muslims Pakistan nahi gaye. partition ke bad bhi Majority Muslims India mein hi reh gaye. aaj Pakistan se jada Muslims India mein rahte hai. majority of R@dical Indian Muslims Pro Pakistan hai. aaj R@dical Muslims India ke national security ke liya dangerous sabit ho rahe hai. Everyday India mein sharia Law ki demand karte hai. India - Pakistan ka partition abhi bhi incomplete hai. jab tak India ke sare Muslim Pakistan Nahi chale jate aur Pakistan ke sare Hindu India Nahi aa jate . tab atk Partition complete nahi hoga. - Dr. Ambedkar
Things have to change in Pakistan. The first step towards change is acknowledging that something is wrong. Even if anybody still refuses to accept it, it has become so apparent and obvious that people have started questioning everything. The first step in that process is to look back and get some understanding, for which this session is a good beginning. The next is to accept that current power structures have to change and also that revival will be slow. The third step would be to focus on scientific education and invest in it's people. Try and keep religion for everyone to practice in their homes and follow progressive education. Right now, anybody who desires progressive education there has to basically go abroad. This needs to be remedied as a first step towards progress. The next decade is crucial for Pakistan on whether it can come back from the brink or at least stop the decline. However, at such crucial junctures, half measures don't help. It has to be all in or else the slow decline would continue
Although, so insightful as I love knowing the history, but on the other hand, since day 1, in Pakistan you needed to know Quaid or your father siblings, etc. needed to know someone to be in a driver's seat! This is shameful! However, Pakistan is about this and unfortunately lags behind due to this problem!
Amazing discussion. Another thing apart from productivity is that the "seths" have no motivation to seek knowledge and invest in knowledge. Babar Ali has devoted his life to education!
It would be good if Pakistanis learn about their own history. Congress never repressed Muslims but did not share seats with Muslim League in provinces where they were a majority. Even before that when a constitution as a precursor to demanding home rule from the British was drafted called Motilal Nehru Report by Congress in 1920s, Muslim interests and proportional representation were all taken into account . It was trashed by Jinnah and Muslim League. Jinnah even for once wanted to live in a unified nation. Instead he bargained hard for disproportionate representation of Muslims. Eventually India was partitioned to create a Muslim homeland, but neither Jinnah nor his followers had any blueprint unlike Congress top leaders to rule the homeland. They were after power to rule people of an independent nation without any vision of how to govern. Indian National Congress had a pre independence ideology to build a secular democracy with socialistic control and federal structure. It took 3 years to draft a constitution and not looking back, even though the state controls cost heavily to the economy. Pakistan was rudderless because there was no vision to serve the populace other than power grabbing - a trend that has continued since 1947. Leaders were assassinated, exiled, pushed out, hanged, jailed, overthrown by military. A weak political foundation can never help build an economy
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀 These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business. Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
Good discussion. But Pakistan should never worry. Pakistan is a nazriati mulq like Israel, formed during the holy month, and Waahid Islamic nuclear power of the world. Pakistan’s problems are caused by saazish of yahood o hanood o nissara though China is a trusted friend. Pakistan is also a leader of the Muslim ummah and provides security to them all over the world.
@@shashlek5751 @49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀 These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business. Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
How can you bring various communities and ethnicities together if Pakistan was formed on the basis of division amongst the people of this subcontinent. If you can not live with one community then there is no way you can have cordial relation with any other community. So this division would continue till the last citizen of Pakistan.
Watch 6:40 to 6:50 Muslim Punjabis are Running Pakistan Since 1960s, That Is Why it Has Crashed. Even If Karachi-ites Run Pakistan, Then Pakistan will Recover, But Punjabis Will Never Leave Power and eventually Pakistan will Be Divided in 4 Nations ( Sindhudesh, Azad Balochistan, Punjabistan, Pashtunistan/Greater Afghansitan )
There is only one issue, and only one issue. The Army that behaves like a Military Junta. Nothing else. Each of the other problems, are a straight adjunct to the above. But people fear to speak. Unfortunately. Not even this programme.
Bro! Even if military junta goes; nothing much will happen. Think about it, democracy comes some good guy comes but what will they do? Do development but how!? More than 50% children doesn't go to school and it's all highly radicalised and have Jihadi mindset. They don't think straight. I'm India, Muslim has so much problems with education and modernity; for them it's religion which matters most even in 2024. If that is the case then what do expect from pakis!? It's a doomed territory nothing will happened until and unless it breaks and two-nation theory breaks it's head again and again. That will weaken political Islam till a point and will weaken the idea of fight with Hindus and India more and more. Think and analyse thoroughly 🙏🏻
Inshaallah.... Allah ke karam se sab ho jayega...Alamdullah.. We need more Islam...We need more madarasa..Kashmir banega Pakistan...Lets not waste time talking about Economy, Education etc..its boring...Gazwae Hind is more exciting. Lage raho Munnabhai
Institutes are there to create an honest society, honest politicians, and honest businessmen. But who is going to create honest institutes. It is an egg and hen situation. Our problem is that we believe there is another way to get out of this vicious cycle. A divine intervention.
I think why Pakistan has not developed is because the critical mass of the country is the elite of Punjab ,also the Army,which has flourished manifold but an average citizen has been left behind..ditto fir india till ironically a Punjabi,dr Manmohan set the ball rolling..and hopefully we don't look back..
What bunch of hypocrates. Elder man says, "India had occupied Kashmir by that time!", without batting an eye. The others have no conscience either. Therein lies the problems of Pkstn, they are far removed from reality or truth.
Ahamadis were in forefront of direct action day violence against sikhs and hindus in hope of winning dominance in pakistan . Maududi used same playbook to target them .
@@bilalbajwaTrue Islam has no hate for anyone😂, 🤣😂😁😆, le here Islam is fighting with all people in the world, each and every country, each and every religion, 🤣😂😁😆,
23:55 "India had occupied Kashmir" Except Pakistan had invaded Kashmir after lawful transfer of Kashmir to India by the ruler. Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir is its Islamic doom.
Your forefathers demanded and created a nation on the basis of religion which was wrong. Now you are trying your find professional and educational excellence That’s the dichotomy Reference Dr Manmohan Singh - from a 2 percent minority of Sikhs but that does not matter to us. His competence is what we benefited from .
Praising people like criticising is totally different please try to criticise him you will find totally different attitude from him I worked with him 22 years shoulder to shoulder he used to tell me about my talent and same what you are hearing one day I told him something which was against his self interest next day he deserted me in creation of lums systems I had role he used to travel with me but he deserted me because of small self interest sir may be I was stupid or he was too clever and he allowed one company to leave Pakistan truth is still there I don’t dare to talk but I will take it with me to grave and question the day him regards
I am from India. Kudos to these two young economists who seem to be genuinely interested in their country. It is so heartening to listen to nonagenarian Mr Babar. I hope there are more discussions of this level to motivate young entrepreneur.
Best of luck!
I am from India and it was good to know about Mr Babar Ali and his energy level at this age also
A insightful Podcast by all means, I mean this kind of content we youngsters need to watch.
Appreciate you guys for putting this up - nice and smart people having a very interesting, historically important conversation. 👍
Nice to hear from Mr.Ali- your personal recall of peri-partition era is very revealing - in that I got a view point from Pakistan from someone with a personal experience.
Thanks for this very insightful conversation .. Mr Atif and Mr Asim please keep thinking for Pakistan, you guys are our hope
I had a opportunity to hear all these facts of history one on one horse’s mouth during our travelling different country of world with him
A Living legend. Syed Babar Ali is a ‘GOAT’ of Pakistan! Thank you for this amazing and insightful discussion.
This is something I have been thinking about forever, why don’t conglomerates is Pakistan invest overseas. Turns out they are not allowed to 🥶
This is something government should work on an urgent basis, at least allow Pakistani companies to make investments in Marketable Securities of the world for a dividend in USD
Really inspired by the optimism of Syed Baber Ali. Also enjoyed seeing the human side of two world famous economists!!
Such a fruitful discussion please arrange with other national heroes as well.
This is an engaging conversation with a gentleman who has seen so much in such a long time. Wonderful 😊
Great people in one sitting
Instructive discussion. My thanks to all three of you.
MaashaAllah,never give in,follow Baber Sahib!Middle class kids need oppurtunity.
When you are rich, and have a good economic security, one can give these speech of motivation, but reality on ground is always different.
Fascinating to listen to someone who was already a youngster at independence time.
Somehow, what is missing here is the fact that lot of hatred and prejudice is being injected into little children through school curriculum. This is harmful and root cause of problems.
Addressing it will create a new generation who can think freely and innovate better
Babar sahib's memory is incredible.
Praising people like criticising is totally different please try to criticise him you will find totally different attitude from him I worked with him 22 years shoulder to shoulder he used to tell me about my talent and same what you are hearing one day I told him something which go in his self interest next day he deserted me in creation of lums systems I had role he used to travel with me but he deserted me because of small self interest sir may be I was stupid or he was too clever and he allowed one company to leave Pakistan truth is still there I don’t dare to talk but I will take it with me to grave and question the day him regards
Babar sahib was talking about Sehgals (from Chakwal) the name he forgot. Sehgols not only invested in oil gas, they put up largest textile mill in Lyall Pur / Faisalabad named Koh e Noor textile mills with hundred thousand spindles (a number which defined the size of mills at that time)... Now only Koh e Noor city and big shopping mall is left as remnants of this industry. 😢
What a beautiful conversation. What a treat to the eyes and ears
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀
These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business.
Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
11:19 beautiful? The whole video is so abrupt and jerky!
K&Ns has made significant progress as a local enterprise and invested in Fulton, USA.
First of all, was delighted to watch this conversation purely because it had 3 of the very few Pakistanis we all should be proud of.
Now to the slightly hollow feeling, feel Babar sb is just way too decent and courteous to actually hit the nail on be more forthright on the reasons and causes of our national malaise.
I can see the subliminal frustration in Dr Atif as he kept pushing for more insightful answers but couldn’t really get those.
In the end, full respect to Babar sb for his optimism but I really don’t think we have any chance or hope any redemption.
we need people like you
Great.
Maa Shaa ALLAH
The video is not available at present. how to access it?
I wish they had asked what are the next steps, how do we move forward, what are the key 5 things we need to do. Accolades to each other are fine, what's the takeaway!
Such an insightful and enlightening session❤
Thank you for doing this!
Excellent
Very insightful
Mr Babar Ali can hardly be called merely a legend... Some better words are there for him ... The gentleman is a real Punjabi... No more no less a living being' in the middle of the hell fire...
Mashallah, very good thinking.
Don’t give up. At the age of 98 a person that’s seen it all says this with humility and the blessing of wisdoms. Deeply inspiring and grateful 🙏🏾. But key areas were removed / not addressed adequately. Pakistan has to stop hating India or treating it as a peer. We have moved far ahead and will continue to do so. Yes regardless of Indian politicians also being crooks seldom we have elections, rule of law that jails said crooks 5/10 times , a military and police that protects us and not the other way around, and a really vibrant civil society to ensure our Muslims thrive. Hindus and so called lower class Muslims are tortured in 95% of the cases in Pakistan. Was shocked to learn Pakistan never had a constitution for so long and grateful to the wisdom of Patel , Ambedkar and Rajendra Prasad for giving us a constitutional framework 🙏🏾
Syed Babar Ali could've been Ratan Tata of Pakistan had he been focused more on building a legacy and being an entrepreneur rather than making money by becoming a businessman
A motivating one
Sadly, the discussion doesn't lead to anywhere, it makes no sense. It was just a recollection of Babar sb memories. There was no tangible evidence that the first 10 years were most progressive....
What an incredible personality!! 🐐
Really impressed by the realistic discussion and pray people who matter do something for Pakistan and only Pakistan
12:42 Fazlur Rehman did a blunder, in hindsight. Completely stupidity to overvalue a currency of a developing country. 😅
16:20 The key problem that Pakistan just wanted to be close to America. This was another blunder.
17:56 So the issue was never Muslim as the deciding factor, Even a Ghulam Farouk would stay back because he had a big job in India!
20:25 Another big blunder, delaying the constitution. No pardon for this blunder.
23:04 What a revelation. That no one had the vision of looking the future. Clearly, it looked like a Jinnah power grab story?
24:21 The obsession on Kashmir, that was another blunder!
27:01 The Bhutto blunder of Nationalisation😢 and the private sector brains flew out.
35:00 The deregulation also did not help, unlike India.
36:15 The highways and infrastructure was built only to feed the greed of the powerful Military Junta, and that is how possibly the Chinese took roots in the usurious loans for infarstructure.
37:55 What an example of Mahindra and Mahindra, India. But you missed that this company was half owned by the first FM of Pakistan. It was called as Mahindra and Mohammed😂
40:20 Obsession in Real estate is another blunder.
46:40 This point on “collective interest” index. Pakistan is way way down on this index, how?
ALL OF THE ABOVE, is only because of “power grab” mentality….The Army which became a Military Junta of politics. Nothing else will help.
With the army establishment and the paranoia of Security State, is the only and only reason why 49:01 a drowning of Pakistan is inevitable.
51:00 The factory of creating hatred, it is so much in Pakistan!
54:01 Staying Positive. 😊
Syed Zulfikar Ali shah the first Muslim principal of Aitchison college of Lahore
Excellent conversations
I am against the idea that Syed Babar Ali says "... you are sitting at a place which generates new thought and we need it"! Because if you will have this attitude that the first hand knowledge will be created in the west and it will eventually be copied in countries like Pakistan, you will never motivate the idea that "We too can think, create, and use knowledge to make ourselves better" !!! Why to look up to the west and wait for them to make a move and then copy, why not motivate the idea of innovation and discovery from Pakistan
Enjoyed the interview and learnt a lot from it. Time has come for free movement within the three countries of South Asia so that the whole region can grow together. That is the elephant in the room.
No. no free movement from India. Even indian diplomats should be banned from our great Country. S jaishankar was treated like a dog in Pakistan but he should have been banned from even entering.
Bhai kya chahte ho ? India will not remain a Hindu country if free movement is allowed so no it shouldn’t be allowed . It can be allowed between all other countries of subcontinent like Nepal, Bhutan, Srilanka, Myanmar etc
Insightful Conversation. Three legends in one frame.
Great interview, only point is Asim Bhai please let Atif Bhai finish his questions. Thanks
Beautiful discussion, hope that your dreams will definitely come true. Salute to Faqir family for their contribution in every field
I heard it intently , but sorry to say, all three failed to spot the fundamental drivers of Pakistan's Serial Failures, which imho is a cocktail of Design Defect of Purpose, Anti-India Fervor, Political Islam, Army's Pole Position and Tyranny of History. Addressing one driver won't change the situation; what's needed is a Persistent Package to address ALL the drivers.
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀
These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business.
Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
that entails essentially abjuring two-nation theory - no one in paistan would do that
You stay stuck at the same point about your six-times smaller neighbor, meanwhile China leaps 4 to 5 times ahead of you in almost every measurable index. What a pity!
@@FiveRivers.well china opened its economy in the 70’s way ahead on India bro…don’t also forget a one party rule there, India’s development may be slower but long lasting unlike the Chinese bubble
The thing is those things can't change because that's the fundamental identity of Pakistan. If you take that away it collapses. So, pakistan can only splinter further(like it happened once in 1971). Basically like that dialogue in sholay: thakur na jhuk sakta hai na toot Sakta hai thakur sirf mar sakta hai.
Good discussion but I feel you have not even touched upon one of the other key factors - for things to change, the political/military establishment will need to have a change of heart and that includes stopping this obsession with your larger neighbor. Otherwise a dis-proprtionate share of national resources will continue to be mis-allocated.
I am an Indian and feel India did three things rights during the first 20-25 years after independence that created a different trajectory for it vs. Pakistan:
1. As you pointed out, putting together a constitution and maybe more importantly creating the linguistic basis for creation of states. That laid the foundation of the federal structure we have today
2. Heavy investment in creating an industrial base led by the state with whatever US or Soviet capital was available since as Babar sahab pointed out, private capacity was lacking.
3. Most critical might have been investment in higher education (albeit at the cost or primary education) with the creation of IIT’s, IIM’s and regional institutes that has led to the world class talent that are the envy of the world now.
Asim made a very important point in that a lot of countries go through a period of corruption and crony capitalism and eventually grow out of it when a few companies start churning out products that are globally competitive. The big hope for India now is that we churn out 5-6 such global firms that can compete with the best from the US and China. We can then be the next China with the additional advantage of a stable political system. Granted we keep our social structure open and inviting for everyone.
High taxes also hinder to a great extent, the domestic investment and emigration of talent
SAARC has completely failed.. Post Independence such degradation in 3 nation states unfathomable.. I may be wrong 2 nation policy completely ruined both the countries.. Pakistan and Bangladesh..
Islam caused them to fail.
@29 minutes. National Refinery in Karachi was put up by Amin Piracha.
Simply amazing. May Allah give Babar Sahab good health and may Allah give both of you success in what you're doing.
What a great interview. Lovely to see everyone.
Amazing conversation of great personalities of dear Pakistan .Stay blessed
Interesting notion that Constitution had to wait because Kashmir Imbroglio was great pre-occupation; but then this was started knowingly despite having a standstill agreement.
What a foolish argument, that Constitution has to wait because of Kashmir problem.
Exactly 😂. How difficult was it to assign some intellectuals to create an initial draft and then have discussions on them to arrive at consensus. These guys were never serious.
Only longterm Solution is education system
When everything is collapsed now.What we have to do now.
But majority of Muslims Pakistan nahi gaye.
partition ke bad bhi Majority Muslims India mein hi reh gaye.
aaj Pakistan se jada Muslims India mein rahte hai.
majority of R@dical Indian Muslims Pro Pakistan hai.
aaj R@dical Muslims India ke national security ke liya dangerous sabit ho rahe hai. Everyday India mein sharia Law ki demand karte hai.
India - Pakistan ka partition abhi bhi incomplete hai.
jab tak India ke sare Muslim Pakistan Nahi chale jate aur Pakistan ke sare Hindu India Nahi aa jate . tab atk Partition complete nahi hoga.
- Dr. Ambedkar
He never said that, stop quoting our if sky gobar eater
retirement k baad sab jaag jate he :D
Syed Babur Ali is a man to be proud of for all Pakistanis. A GOAT, a legend. Wish him health and happiness in a great life ahead.
Thank you.
Things have to change in Pakistan. The first step towards change is acknowledging that something is wrong. Even if anybody still refuses to accept it, it has become so apparent and obvious that people have started questioning everything. The first step in that process is to look back and get some understanding, for which this session is a good beginning. The next is to accept that current power structures have to change and also that revival will be slow. The third step would be to focus on scientific education and invest in it's people. Try and keep religion for everyone to practice in their homes and follow progressive education. Right now, anybody who desires progressive education there has to basically go abroad. This needs to be remedied as a first step towards progress. The next decade is crucial for Pakistan on whether it can come back from the brink or at least stop the decline. However, at such crucial junctures, half measures don't help. It has to be all in or else the slow decline would continue
Although, so insightful as I love knowing the history, but on the other hand, since day 1, in Pakistan you needed to know Quaid or your father siblings, etc. needed to know someone to be in a driver's seat! This is shameful! However, Pakistan is about this and unfortunately lags behind due to this problem!
Amazing discussion. Another thing apart from productivity is that the "seths" have no motivation to seek knowledge and invest in knowledge. Babar Ali has devoted his life to education!
It would be good if Pakistanis learn about their own history. Congress never repressed Muslims but did not share seats with Muslim League in provinces where they were a majority. Even before that when a constitution as a precursor to demanding home rule from the British was drafted called Motilal Nehru Report by Congress in 1920s, Muslim interests and proportional representation were all taken into account . It was trashed by Jinnah and Muslim League. Jinnah even for once wanted to live in a unified nation. Instead he bargained hard for disproportionate representation of Muslims. Eventually India was partitioned to create a Muslim homeland, but neither Jinnah nor his followers had any blueprint unlike Congress top leaders to rule the homeland. They were after power to rule people of an independent nation without any vision of how to govern. Indian National Congress had a pre independence ideology to build a secular democracy with socialistic control and federal structure. It took 3 years to draft a constitution and not looking back, even though the state controls cost heavily to the economy. Pakistan was rudderless because there was no vision to serve the populace other than power grabbing - a trend that has continued since 1947. Leaders were assassinated, exiled, pushed out, hanged, jailed, overthrown by military. A weak political foundation can never help build an economy
@49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀
These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business.
Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
Good discussion. But Pakistan should never worry. Pakistan is a nazriati mulq like Israel, formed during the holy month, and Waahid Islamic nuclear power of the world. Pakistan’s problems are caused by saazish of yahood o hanood o nissara though China is a trusted friend. Pakistan is also a leader of the Muslim ummah and provides security to them all over the world.
Lindu consider Both isreal and Pakistan father?
@@shashlek5751 @49:31 bc sari duniya ki "SPACE" kabjane ka doctrine follow karne wali koum ki baatein suno.😀
These rape product of invaders have their genes altered, their IQ (collective or individual) is reduced to that of Central Asian tribes and hence the "lootera" mindset. And on top of it, imheritance of cowardice of their ancestors have made them fearful of taking risks in business.
Inferiority complex hidden under the wrapper of superiority has sadly resulted into the irony of "Overconfidence in Allah's permission to Jannat, Underconfidence in Allah's help in business".🤣
@@shashlek5751 Beta, You should not Speak When Your Country Goes Around for $1 billion Every Week.
India Has $700 Billion Forex Reserves
@@shashlek5751 '' Mein Maangnay Nahi Aaya , Lekin Kya Karun Majboori Hai'' 😢
- Words of PM of Pakistan
How can you bring various communities and ethnicities together if Pakistan was formed on the basis of division amongst the people of this subcontinent. If you can not live with one community then there is no way you can have cordial relation with any other community. So this division would continue till the last citizen of Pakistan.
Watch 6:40 to 6:50
Muslim Punjabis are Running Pakistan Since 1960s, That Is Why it Has Crashed.
Even If Karachi-ites Run Pakistan, Then Pakistan will Recover, But Punjabis Will Never Leave Power and eventually Pakistan will Be Divided in 4 Nations ( Sindhudesh, Azad Balochistan, Punjabistan, Pashtunistan/Greater Afghansitan )
There is only one issue, and only one issue. The Army that behaves like a Military Junta. Nothing else.
Each of the other problems, are a straight adjunct to the above. But people fear to speak. Unfortunately. Not even this programme.
Bro! Even if military junta goes; nothing much will happen. Think about it, democracy comes some good guy comes but what will they do? Do development but how!? More than 50% children doesn't go to school and it's all highly radicalised and have Jihadi mindset. They don't think straight. I'm India, Muslim has so much problems with education and modernity; for them it's religion which matters most even in 2024. If that is the case then what do expect from pakis!?
It's a doomed territory nothing will happened until and unless it breaks and two-nation theory breaks it's head again and again. That will weaken political Islam till a point and will weaken the idea of fight with Hindus and India more and more. Think and analyse thoroughly 🙏🏻
Inshaallah.... Allah ke karam se sab ho jayega...Alamdullah.. We need more Islam...We need more madarasa..Kashmir banega Pakistan...Lets not waste time talking about Economy, Education etc..its boring...Gazwae Hind is more exciting. Lage raho Munnabhai
Nothing about GHQ and Pindi??? The real elephant in the room
Institutes are there to create an honest society, honest politicians, and honest businessmen. But who is going to create honest institutes. It is an egg and hen situation. Our problem is that we believe there is another way to get out of this vicious cycle. A divine intervention.
A divine intervention. ?. I am adding a missing question mark
@@naeemahmedbajwamaybe Aasmani kitab 🙃🤔
More Islam and real Islam and pure original Islam is the answer 🤟🏻💪🏻🤘🏻
کیا اردو میں بات کرنے میں کوئی مشکل ھے
Yes non of them have urdu as their mother tongue
Urdu is indian language born in Lucknow
سید بابر علی صاحب علم و حکمت کی باتوں کو اُردو زبان میں کریں
I think why Pakistan has not developed is because the critical mass of the country is the elite of Punjab ,also the Army,which has flourished manifold but an average citizen has been left behind..ditto fir india till ironically a Punjabi,dr Manmohan set the ball rolling..and hopefully we don't look back..
complete racist nonsense.
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Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya 🤔 - Punjabi Supremacy Subhanallah 😅
Who Bhi Urdu Speaking Punjabi Who Must Despise His Mother Tongue Punjabi 😂
Brilliant.
First ten years were very good, but then why martial law was imposed😂
What bunch of hypocrates. Elder man says, "India had occupied Kashmir by that time!", without batting an eye. The others have no conscience either. Therein lies the problems of Pkstn, they are far removed from reality or truth.
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Ahamadis were in forefront of direct action day violence against sikhs and hindus in hope of winning dominance in pakistan . Maududi used same playbook to target them .
What's the evidence for this claim?
False propaganda.
This person is either bigoted or has no idea what he’s talking about.
True Islam has no hate for anyone as all are God’s creation.
internet pe kuch bhi likh do ge? koi plausible argument?.. evidence?
@@bilalbajwaTrue Islam has no hate for anyone😂, 🤣😂😁😆, le here Islam is fighting with all people in the world, each and every country, each and every religion, 🤣😂😁😆,
@@richardsking Political wars.
Thank you. Great interview.
نفرتوں کو مٹانے کا کوئی سلسلہ چاہئے۔
پھر یہ مٹی بہت ذرخیز ہے ساقی۔
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"India had occupied Kashmir"
Except Pakistan had invaded Kashmir after lawful transfer of Kashmir to India by the ruler.
Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir is its Islamic doom.
Wisdom and experience I abundance
Your forefathers demanded and created a nation on the basis of religion which was wrong.
Now you are trying your find professional and educational excellence
That’s the dichotomy
Reference Dr Manmohan Singh - from a 2 percent minority of Sikhs but that does not matter to us. His competence is what we benefited from .
Small people think smaller then narrow 😂😂😂😂😂
Praising people like criticising is totally different please try to criticise him you will find totally different attitude from him I worked with him 22 years shoulder to shoulder he used to tell me about my talent and same what you are hearing one day I told him something which was against his self interest next day he deserted me in creation of lums systems I had role he used to travel with me but he deserted me because of small self interest sir may be I was stupid or he was too clever and he allowed one company to leave Pakistan truth is still there I don’t dare to talk but I will take it with me to grave and question the day him regards