@@M.C.D.Technologies I know you didn’t ask me. But imo I would they the 8bitdo one. The software is just unmatched for my use and you get a lot of features like the dock and 2.4
@@kevinortizvanegas9921 Thanks for your input but prime has them both. I purchased the NS09 KingKong2 Pro on a recommendation from ETA PRIME. Hey PRIME a good video woul be you comparing these 2 controllers and giving a pro and con for each so people can make a more informed decision.
That's great! I was wondering about that the whole time since 8bitdo first revealed the controller. But I'm still wondering if it has support for MacOS as well?
The dock isn't just storage for the dongle. The dock is a fancy usb extender, so you can plug the dock in to your device and use the 2.4ghz. This also allows for plugging the dongle itself in to your device and keep the charging dock by your couch.
@@dcayus I haven't had a ton of time to fight with it, but I have not been able to get it to work with my steam deck dock. That is why I bought this controller; I already have a Pro 2 which I love but I was hoping to improve the latency. I googled it a few days ago and did not find a good answer, perhaps it requires getting into desktop mode and adjusting some settings in Linux? I have heard it works fine with the Nintendo switch dock but I haven't tried it myself.
I'm a big fan of the Pro 2 because I like the PS layout & retro colors. I'd love to see these Hall Sensor sticks (and maybe some more colorways) for a hypothetical "Pro 3"
@@MyBabeUzakiChan If you are not using a dongle version it could be your PC's hardware (or possibly even software, needing a wireless update) dropping the connection. If you have a lot of interference in the room you sit and play that could also do it.
Hello! Thanks for covering those. I'm a user of older wired version of this controller and its almost perfect. The only issue I have with that controller are bumpers - I like the fact that they used rubber domes instead tactile switches like in xone. The big issue with them is that they only register if you press them in the middle plus they require a substantial force to press them. As a speedrunner I can tell that this small issues makes the controller not a good recommendation for ppl who want to have fast bumper response. I'd be pleased to hear if someone tested bumpers in the new wireless version.
I was gonna say "oh no, probably no hall sensors huh, skiiiip" but am bloody-blessed grateful I didn't. Absolutely didn't expect 8bitdo (or others) to put the Gullikit joysticks in their own controllers. This is a great development.
@@terribletimes902 the fact you think that before hall sensors were shoved in controllers, analog sticks only lasted two years shows your ignorance of technology.
@@terribletimes902 Well said! Mind boggling that the dealbreaker for the OP, is somehow funny. Guess people don’t like having things forever and instead waste more on these standard controllers.
Hat ‘s off for ETA Prime for having one of the best channels on YT on mini pc’s and game related content, it’s just so relaxing to watch, specially at night after a hard day’s work.
Pre-ordered the switch version over a month ago simply because I really trust 8bitdo at this point, really nice to have a trustworthy and reliable company or there providing what we need especially when Nintendo is coming up a little short, usually first party means best for Nintendo but not so much since 8bitdo
Thank you! You answered all the questions I had trying to research these controllers. Thank you for trying to 2.4 version on the Switch. That was the biggest question I wanted answered
I would go with the Bluetooth one, the inclusion of Hall-effect sensors is a gamechanger for me, I use my controller for Velocidrone, and the tiny deadzone I need to set can really ruin my day when I try to land.
I can't play with a game controller. The self centering on the throttle plus the shortness of the sticks mess me up. How come you don't use your radio you fly with for the sim or do you not fly irl?
Really disappointing that they decided to get rid off the ability to easily replace the battery, and use AAs if you need or want to, I really love that about the pro 2
This was a great video. I've used 8BitDo's controllers for a couple years now with a SN30Pro+ and Pro 2 with Windows and was looking at what they've come out with recently. I think i'm going to pickup that Bluetooth model. I really like the idea of the dock!
@@rinyas xinput controllers are controllers that windows devices detect as "Xbox controllers" so for every game that supports controllers, it will detect an Xbox controller and showcase Xbox input buttons
@@currymuncher9595 ah thanks. Is that based on the hardware of the controller or could they release an update that lets us switch from d to x input in the software in the future?
SN Pro+ user here. Great quality controller, awesome software but it's a bit moody at the time of pairing. I just recently picked up one of those no-brand wireless controllers for the switch (often named N-SL WirelessController) and it connects in like 1 second AND has Wake Up function for the switch
We would be extremely appreciative if you let us know when the Bluetooth X/D input is updated on this controller! (yeah, I'm assuming it'll happen, but for that price, it should)
8bitdo just keeps getting better and better with their gamepads. But personally, I would like for them to bring back the Super Famicom and Super NES versions and give them a proper carry case and phone mount. I've had mine in the SF version for 5 years, and it's still my main for both phone emulation and NS play. Also a nice detail is, depending the version you get, the box will have the top view design of it's respective console that's inspired from.
I think this controller is one step forward, two steps back. Better because of doggle and Bluetooth and hall sensors. But they lost AA battery and now it is priced higher vs the Pro 2.
@@travisschneider3011I couldn't be bothered about it being Li-Ion instead of alkaline fed. Because like I said I come from the SF30 Pro, which is the same way. Besides alkaline fed gamepads, in 2022.
@@james.b.mcgill I said a proper carry case *and* phone mount. The word proper going to both accessories. Ever since the SN/SF30 Pro controllers dropped, they did have a carry case and phone mount available. But you have to buy them separately. And the phone mount is rigid. It's only movable part being the clamp to hold the phone. Which forced you to play with the phone mounted on the gamepad on a specific angle, unlike other gamepads that not only come with built-in phone mount, it's adjustable. The next phone mount has to be that way. Not to mention, it covers the indicator lights and pair button. So, to access them, you have to remove the mount.
@@dylives7667 I know. I have both the SN30 Pros and both the rigid phone clip and the Xbox clip. I was just saying that the do make one, with the caviot that you have to buy another version of the controller to get it.
Something I think you can add to all your videos about controllers is a sound test. How loud, clacky, soft, etc. It's one of the most important aspects of gaming to me.
i have the wired version, which was released before the wireless ones. absolutely fantastic pc controller, i've never been a fan of the feel of the official xbox controller so this controller is perfect for anyone who wants an xinput controller with xbox layout that feels like a switch pro controller.
I prefer the 2.4g version for its Xbox button layout, but I really want those Hall Effect joysticks. I wonder if 8BitDo would offer button replacements so that we can change the button faces.
Not a fan of them losing the swappable battery. I don't use the swapping function that often but it's been nice to switch out the pack if I forgot to charge it.
Pre-ordered the bluetooth in black on Aliexpress some weeks ago for 55 USD. It has arrived to my coutry, I'll probably get it on Monday. Can't wait to try it out!
Yes, I pre-ordered the Bluetooth Ultimate version. I can't wait to get it in a few days and try it out with all my devices. This will be my 8th 8bitdo controller. So far, they have not let me down; this looks to be the best one yet.
I'm so glad I waited for ETA Prime's review before buying. Now I know that this "ultimate" controller is not so ultimate after all. The only upgrades I see over the Pro 2 (my favorite controller right now) are the Hall sticks and the left stick position (although I don't mind the PS style too much). The charging dock and included dongle are nice bonuses, but they add nothing to the experience of actually using the controller. With the Pro 2, you get Switch, X-input, D-input and even a Mac mode. And you can pair a different device in any of those modes, including a retro receiver or USB dongle. Plus, 3 of the modes have 3 profile slots each (Mac mode does not support profiles for some reason). In summary, an expensive new product that falls short of the previous king. All I want is a version of the Pro 2 with Hall sticks. That's the only thing keeping it away from perfection
I've picked two of the bluetooth versions and they are amazing, for those wondering if the 2.4 G dongle can handle more than one controller it can't, but of course if you picked two controllers you are going to have two of them so you'll have no problems at all. Also, he didn't mention this but the charging docks not only charge the controller, they work as a USB extender so if you have the dongle "stored" in the dock, you actually have the dongle connected to your device too so you don't have to worry about having all your USB ports populated.
waaait what.. but i want to connect multiple to one dongle :( i red somewhere that you could connect multiple x box controllers to their dongle but it doesnt work with their own controllers? i've got a mini pc that i want to use as a portable gaming console and it doesnt have that many usb ports. i want to connect up to 4 controllers to it..
I'd have to go bluetooth for the hall sensors. That's some of the coolest new tech for controllers. Personally I'd like a more ds4/5 shaped controller from them. The pro 2 just feels a little weird in my hands.
So glad that 8bitdo can send all of these promo controllers to people, but my preorder will be two weeks late... just excited to be able to use an 8bitdo controller that will wake up my Switch.
LOVE 8BitDo to death. They've been my favorite controllers recently! Though, I've been spoiled by Steam Deck's joysticks. Just the fact that I can put my thumb over the right stick to activate gyro controls has been a real game changer for me. Maybe one day 8BitDo will make a Steam Deck themed controller.
yeah and the back/paddle buttons on 8bitdo controllers are not assignable in steam input; they can only be set in their ultimate software (fortunately there's a version for android) and can only be set to other buttons on the controller. Although I suspect this is pretty common for other pro/ultimate controllers as well.
@@s01itarygaming Hopefully there'll be an update to make that possible on platforms that support it. Cause the switch doesn't have anything like that, even though they could have done that with a joy-con pair via a special grip to hit those SR and SL buttons.
I was curious about this vs the King Kong Pro 2. Didn't realize they were both using the same sticks. The no X-Input over Bluetooth is a deal breaker though. Also kind of baffling since my SN 30 variants work as X-Input.
I have a question: how would you compare the d-pad between the PS4, PS5, Xbox Series, and this controller for fighting games? I know you said that this controller is good for them, but in comparison to the other ones, do you think it's on par? I see you testing out hadoken inputs (236), but I'm thinking that this d-pad might look rough for doing half circle back forward inputs. (632146)
The exclusion of easily replacing the battery and having the ability to use AA’s as an option is a major deal breaker for me. Thats what made their pro controllers so great and was an insta buy just for that alone.
I was waiting for this controller for a while now but hearing about how it can't toggle between D and X-input for the Bluetooth version is kinda a let down. I don't wanna have to carry around a dongle just to play on my Android tablet in X-input. Hoped it would have been like the SN30 Pro 2 with an easy toggle at the back. I'd go for the Gulikit King Kong 2 Pro but it doesn't have the extra macro buttons at the back.
Thank you for the review i was skeptical because i don't see its hall effect mentioned in the box but seeing your tear down gives me peace of mind that we have the same package
One thing to keep in mind: The Bluetooth version of the controller has the buttons laid out like a Nintendo Switch. The white one has Xinput because you're also supposed to use it on an Xbox, hence the layout and color coding on the buttons. I don't think the black one works on Xbox.
For 8bit and 16bit games, the 2.4GHz connection is definitely the one to go. The Bluetooth delay will really be present in action/platform/fighting games.
I'm a huge fan of 8BITDO controllers and got a bunch of them here, but they're all the 'retro' style, without analog sticks and now I'm buying an analog stick gamepad, so the question is... should I stick with this one or the Gulikit itself? Like I said, I'm a huge fan of 8BITDO, but the GuliKit looks awesome too and for 8BITDO being using their sensors, it's because they know what they're doing. So... hard to decide... help me! :D
i mean if you're a fan to something you should get the brand you want since its already equipped with gulikit joystick. you get more happiness if you get what you really want.
I'll tell you this much. I bought the Gulikit and while yes, it is a good controller. I run into many compatibility issues in titles, the sticks, while being hall sensor also have a very unusual sensitivity, not like those big brand ones. To be fair, so does 8bitdo out of the box but the difference is 8bitdo has such amazing software, you honestly can't go wrong after tweaking to your liking. Gulikit on the other end does offers customizability as well but from shortcuts on the controller itself but it's (at least to me) one of those overly complicated things to use because there is SO MANY SHORTCUTS. You essentially need the manual opened at all times to know what you are actually modifying. Also, the Gulikit does not have the back paddles, the 8bitdo does. And last, think of the 8bitdo as a premium controller built around what the big international brands do where as the Gulikit is more of a "chinese" type premium gamepad, buttons are more clicky than "membrane" mushy. Honestly, my Gulikit hasn't stopped me from preferring the 8bitdo Pro 2 even though I much prefer asymmetric sticks. I'm picking up the BT version, I just wish they had a solution with mass market ABXY layout but oh well.
Surprisingly we can get the ultimate bluetooth version for under 50 dollars in the Philippines. I notice that third party controllers have a markup in the US. We can get controllers here cheaper and often there's flash sales and discount coupons that even drives the prices lower.
I had a bad experience with my previous 8bitdo switch controllers and found that many of the cheap Chinese controllers use the same chipset. After a couple months they would refuse to connect even with firmware updates and the batteries completely died shortly after. Hopefully they've stepped it up a bit in the qc department.
I have the 8bitdo Pro 2 and while it doesnt have 2.4GHz mode, it does have the replaceable battery (plus option of using AAs) and the 4 input physical switch on the back; S/Switch, A/Apple, D-Input & X-input modes. Even if you didn't use all the modes, having a separate mode for Switch will both eliminate the possible "operating two bluetooth devices at once" issue, but also means the devices have separate custom profiles (in theory up to 16 profiles on Pro2 vs 8 profiles on Ultimate). The 'Ultimate' controller including a charging dock & 2.4GHz dongle is good (along with the improved analogue sticks), but D-input only & a fixed built-in battery seems a step down. Especially considering the bump in price to £60 vs Pro 2 which is around £40 (I paid just £32 at Amazon UK back in June, no discount codes, grey model was just cheaper at time). The cheaper 'Ultimate' model without bluetooth is £40 on Amazon UK vs £39-£42 for the various Pro 2 models. Granted less latency with 2.4GHz vs Pro2 bluetooth, but the Pro 2 can also be connected via USB I think personally, even if the 'Ultimate' carried over all features from the Pro 2 (inc 4 mode switch on back, included both X&D inputs), the lack of the replaceable battery would kill my enthusiasm. If the 'Ultimate 2' included everything the Pro 2 has, but also added 2.4GHz & the dock, that could be worth the £60, but losing features and gaining a dock isn't worth the extra imo. Symmetrical vs asymmetric analogue sticks doesn't really bother me, I can switch between the Pro2, Switch & PS4 controllers without much effort. I used to prefer the Xbox style sticks, but after 6yrs of PS4 as my primary console it's not really an issue. I had/have a PS3, but was definitely more experienced with Xbox analogue position, going back to orig Xbox & GC (technically before that if you count the Dreamcast with its single stick).
Kinda split on this at the moment. I'd really prefer a much more user-replacement-friendly solution for the battery, and not being able to set it to x-input or d-input manually is a bummer. Guess I'll be sticking with my Pro 2 for now.
I own both the GULIKIT KINGKONG 2 PRO, as well as this 8bitdo. These two are probably the best third party controllers on the current market. The 8bitdo has the better overall Dpad, while the Gulikit has the better overall ergonomic feel. Either one you go with, you're winning.
I recently bought a Gulikit Kingkong 2 Pro and it definitely is a great controller but those face buttons are just awful. They feel sticky and not very responsive, completely unlike original Microsoft controllers. If the 8bitdo is better in that regard I might just buy that one and return the Gulikit. How would you compare them?
@@Godslayer96 If the buttons on the Gulikit bother you that, I'd recommend you go with the 8bitdo. I personally don't have an issue with the buttons, as they feel fine to press (they definitely could be better, though I wouldn't call them being anywhere near awful), but if you compare them to the buttons on say, an XBOX controller, then I can understand your reservations. If just for the buttons, go for the 8bitdo.
I was really looking forward to the Ultimate controller, but I think I'll end up buying the KingKong Pro 2 or inevitable Ultimate Controller 2 for Bluetooth x-input when my SN30-Pro+'s stick drift gets bad enough. It sucks that 8bitdo has removed such a standard feature from their well-respected product.
I bought this controller not realizing it. I think I'm going to return for the KingKong pro as well. A real bummer, I like the feel of this controller and the charging dock is a really nice touch
I love 8-BitDo products. I'm such an old fashioned gamer who lived through every generation of cartridge based consoles and still prefer arcade sticks over gamepads but really need a controller that will last. I've been so beyond happy with my arcade stick for 8-BitDo so I will probably get a controller from them also especially since they are anti-drift. Thanks for the review.
The lack of easily replaceable battery pack is a deal killer for me. Both my Pro+ and Pro 2 controllers have had issues with the battery deciding it need to stop charging (or the controller would drop and reconnect bluetooth intermittently when on their battery pack). Moving to AAs always resolved the issue, but I've since moved to an Xbox Series X controller and am very happy with the results.
the pro+ and 2 are definitely peak controller design, they sell the battery packs separately now, all that's missing is a charging dock for the batteries by themselves to hot swap with
Yeah, I'm with you. This one here is looking nice but the Pro 2 just fits like a glove and I prefer the PS style analog controls, with the D-pad at a higher position.
The only question I have is can it be overclocked? 95% sure that will be a no because generally only playstation controllers(1st or 3rd party) can be overclocked. Having an 8 ms reduction in input lag is comparable to going from 60 fps to 120 fps, so it is a huge difference. Other than that, this looks like a perfect $70 and under controller. I do want to try the high end Razer Xbox gamepads, but I'm not paying $150 for something that will develop drift so I've been sticking to $70 and under gamepads.
The only problem is the pricing, so ridiculous. -Ultimate Wired = $39.99 (NO hall effect! ) -Ultimate Wireless + charging dock 2.4 = $59.99 (NO hall effect! ) -Ultimate Wireless Bluetooth + charging dock = $69.99 (WITH HALL EFFECT) Why not include Hall Effect Joysticks for the Wired version!?
Definitely want those hall effect joysticks for both my steam deck and switch. I bet fps's on switch would be more precise than even the pro controller
been a fan of 8bitdo since the nes30 pro, because i mainly games on my laptop and phones, 8bitdo controllers are the best controller out there. compatible with everything i have, the switch compatibility is really good to use with wiiu and switch emulators, the built quality is top notch for the price, the buttons feels great, never had a problem like stuck buttons or stick drift. so far owned nes30 pro, sn30 pro, pro 2, and zero 2. heck, the zero 2 is great for makeshift macro handheld controller for drawing.
I heard about this controller a few days ago and i have to say, just clicking this video, i wasn’t expecting such an in depth review haha. You have earned yourself a subscriber 👍
I would love it if reviewers actually gave latency info for the main use cases of controllers instead of glossing over it and saying it seems fine. Having the mister included in the use case would be nice.
I've been using the same controller for 15 years!!! (Sixaxis, dualshock 3 predecessor) The analog sticks are still in perfect shape, my secret is adding a bit of brake lubricant to the sticks at least once a year, when i take it apart i also clean it up internally, I never had a problem with drifting, not registering imputs or so on. I used this controller a ton with my PS3 and after that i started using it on my PC.
@n n I don't know what is "as much as others" but, but i had 50 ps3 games, on pc only Oblivion, Skyrim, Skyrim SE, Fallout 4 combined are around 3000hrs. I also played Dead or alive and MK alot. Sure there are more hardcore gamers, but i would classify myself above average.
Hall sensors!!!! I it brings me back in time with the Dreamcast playing Capcom vs Marvel as well. Still have my original controller over 20 yrs and no drift. Only changed the rubber for fave buttons. Worth the upgrade and will save money on the long term. 2.4 for me
I'm not sure why people keep saying hall effect sensors won't drift. From industrial joystick manufacturer P3 America's website: "...there are a few limitations that hall effect joysticks have in the ferromagnetic material that is used, as its magnetic field will change over time and is directly affected by more extreme hot and cold temperatures. These variances in the magnetic field will cause the hall effect joystick to "drift” and affect the output voltage. This creates unwanted variances and impacts the long term reliability of the hall effect joystick." So, where potentiometers fail with use over time, hall effect sensors fail over time regardless of use. They're probably still a higher quality option, but they don't automatically solve drift problems.
By your experience tearing it down... if I want to, am I able to swap the A and B/X and Y buttons PHYSICALLY on the bluetooth ultimate version? Or is it too dangerous?
Looks like my dream controller. I doubt you'll see this ETA, but I'd love it if you did. Can you do a Shorts (since I doubt it's long enough for your standards for a video) comparing its size to the standard DualShock 4 for the PS4?
GASP, with the charger it's SO SEXY! I have a similar razer charge dock on my PC for my xbox controller and was like man I'd love a second controller with a more standard dpad (use my 8btdo pro for 2d games and RPG maker stuff/vns plus Steam Deck) and was like man, I guess I'll just get another xbox controller... was about to get one lol, but MAN THE TIMING YESSSSSS. The hall sensors plus dock included make it such an easy choice.
CONFIRMED The Ultimate Bluetooth version works with IOS 16 On the IPhone and iPad, Detected as a Switch controller, Emulation, and Apple Arcade.
Hey Prime, what controller do you like more the Gulikit NS09 KingKong2 Pro or the 8 BitDo Ultimate?
@@M.C.D.Technologies I know you didn’t ask me. But imo I would they the 8bitdo one. The software is just unmatched for my use and you get a lot of features like the dock and 2.4
@@kevinortizvanegas9921 Thanks for your input but prime has them both. I purchased the NS09 KingKong2 Pro on a recommendation from ETA PRIME. Hey PRIME a good video woul be you comparing these 2 controllers and giving a pro and con for each so people can make a more informed decision.
That's great! I was wondering about that the whole time since 8bitdo first revealed the controller. But I'm still wondering if it has support for MacOS as well?
Just a heads up, you have a typo in the description (9bitdo)
The dock isn't just storage for the dongle. The dock is a fancy usb extender, so you can plug the dock in to your device and use the 2.4ghz. This also allows for plugging the dongle itself in to your device and keep the charging dock by your couch.
Holy crap I totally didn't realize this, thanks! You're saving me a USB port!
This comment should be pinned. That's a pretty clever feature.
Can you plug it into the steam deck dock or switch dock and use the 2.4 connection ?
@@dcayus I haven't had a ton of time to fight with it, but I have not been able to get it to work with my steam deck dock. That is why I bought this controller; I already have a Pro 2 which I love but I was hoping to improve the latency. I googled it a few days ago and did not find a good answer, perhaps it requires getting into desktop mode and adjusting some settings in Linux? I have heard it works fine with the Nintendo switch dock but I haven't tried it myself.
this was exactly the kind of information i was searching for, THANKS!
Gotta respect ETA's consistency. He's always dropping valuable content for newly released products.
100% agree
@@wastyaza and he has a son
@@Prodbytocile ETA Rodimus?
@@neoturfmasterMVS yes he has a child
Of course. This is an infomercial show. He's selling. Nothing else
I'm a big fan of the Pro 2 because I like the PS layout & retro colors. I'd love to see these Hall Sensor sticks (and maybe some more colorways) for a hypothetical "Pro 3"
i have same but with pc keeps disconnecting :(
Hall sensors in the pro 2 would be the perfect controller IMO. I like the pro 2 better than this thing. Gotta have my removable battery pack.
I'm thinking we might see something like this soon
@@MyBabeUzakiChan If you are not using a dongle version it could be your PC's hardware (or possibly even software, needing a wireless update) dropping the connection. If you have a lot of interference in the room you sit and play that could also do it.
Haha, exact opposite here.
I'm so glad there is finally one with the Nintendo stick layout
Sold! I'll be getting it in black. I've loved every 8bitdo pad I've ever had, same with the sticks so this is a must buy for me! Thanks ETA!
Hello! Thanks for covering those. I'm a user of older wired version of this controller and its almost perfect. The only issue I have with that controller are bumpers - I like the fact that they used rubber domes instead tactile switches like in xone. The big issue with them is that they only register if you press them in the middle plus they require a substantial force to press them. As a speedrunner I can tell that this small issues makes the controller not a good recommendation for ppl who want to have fast bumper response. I'd be pleased to hear if someone tested bumpers in the new wireless version.
I was gonna say "oh no, probably no hall sensors huh, skiiiip" but am bloody-blessed grateful I didn't. Absolutely didn't expect 8bitdo (or others) to put the Gullikit joysticks in their own controllers. This is a great development.
it's hilarious that is your make or break standard
@@larrisAWSOME It’s what determines whether it will last longer than like 2-3 years, so it’s a fair dealbreaker
@@terribletimes902 If I could like your comment twice, I would.
@@terribletimes902 the fact you think that before hall sensors were shoved in controllers, analog sticks only lasted two years shows your ignorance of technology.
@@terribletimes902 Well said!
Mind boggling that the dealbreaker for the OP, is somehow funny. Guess people don’t like having things forever and instead waste more on these standard controllers.
Hat ‘s off for ETA Prime for having one of the best channels on YT on mini pc’s and game related content, it’s just so relaxing to watch, specially at night after a hard day’s work.
Gonna love the description. Some parts of it have made my day today:
STema deck, Jpoysticks, 9bitdo
Pre-ordered the switch version over a month ago simply because I really trust 8bitdo at this point, really nice to have a trustworthy and reliable company or there providing what we need especially when Nintendo is coming up a little short, usually first party means best for Nintendo but not so much since 8bitdo
Does it read amiibos too?
@@franccescocarrion1716 nope, but I don't need that
Thank you! You answered all the questions I had trying to research these controllers. Thank you for trying to 2.4 version on the Switch. That was the biggest question I wanted answered
Awesome Video! Looks like this could replace my DualSense and Switch Pro Controller for my PC…
I would go with the Bluetooth one, the inclusion of Hall-effect sensors is a gamechanger for me, I use my controller for Velocidrone, and the tiny deadzone I need to set can really ruin my day when I try to land.
Wait so just the Bluetooth has the hall sticks ?
I can't play with a game controller. The self centering on the throttle plus the shortness of the sticks mess me up. How come you don't use your radio you fly with for the sim or do you not fly irl?
@@gabrielst527 yep, only bluetooth has the hall effect sticks
@@gabrielst527 ya
Really disappointing that they decided to get rid off the ability to easily replace the battery, and use AAs if you need or want to, I really love that about the pro 2
Agreed. I always keep a couple pairs of rechargeable AAs at my desk for my Pro 2. It is very convenient.
Y will wait for the ultimate 2, anyways having the sn30 pro, pro + and pro 2 is enough,
Its to encourage people to purchase extra controllers, one for charging and one for using. Sony does the same thing.
@@pelvist Exactly what I do with my ps5 controllers. One charges while the other plays.
Pro 2 is still the best imo. Love the snes/ps1 style
This was a great video. I've used 8BitDo's controllers for a couple years now with a SN30Pro+ and Pro 2 with Windows and was looking at what they've come out with recently. I think i'm going to pickup that Bluetooth model. I really like the idea of the dock!
Been using 8Bitdo for a long time now and this is my favorite so far for sure.
@@ETAPRIME Do you prefer this new controller or the gulikit king kong 2 Pro???
Guys, did you have any bad experience with it? I lost 3 buttons of some random brand controller with 400h of gameplay (non-native-english)
If they do release an X input over bluetooth, please do an update video showing it off and explaining the benefits.
whats an "xinput"? Or what does it mean?
@@rinyas xinput controllers are controllers that windows devices detect as "Xbox controllers" so for every game that supports controllers, it will detect an Xbox controller and showcase Xbox input buttons
@@currymuncher9595 ah thanks. Is that based on the hardware of the controller or could they release an update that lets us switch from d to x input in the software in the future?
@@rinyas I'm guessing hardware but I'm really not sure. I've not heard of a controller implementing an update that allows you to switch its input type
Is it still not supported?
SN Pro+ user here. Great quality controller, awesome software but it's a bit moody at the time of pairing. I just recently picked up one of those no-brand wireless controllers for the switch (often named N-SL WirelessController) and it connects in like 1 second AND has Wake Up function for the switch
I’ve noticed the same thing about it. The damn thing will just turn itself off after only like 1 minute or so of not pressing buttons. Very annoying
Fantastic look at both, picking up the Bluetooth for Steam Deck use. Personally glad to see you including the Deck with your reviews!
We would be extremely appreciative if you let us know when the Bluetooth X/D input is updated on this controller! (yeah, I'm assuming it'll happen, but for that price, it should)
I sure do hope they do. A little bit of BS that they didn't do it out of the gate. Makes me think it was intentional
@@anthonycomeaux1804 Definitely intentional. This is far from the first time they've made a controller. They know all this already.
I don't know much about Bluetooth input, what is the difference in x/d input?
Let's goooo I pre-ordered this controller on Amazon weeks ago and I can't wait till it arrives on Nov 1st
8bitdo just keeps getting better and better with their gamepads.
But personally, I would like for them to bring back the Super Famicom and Super NES versions and give them a proper carry case and phone mount.
I've had mine in the SF version for 5 years, and it's still my main for both phone emulation and NS play.
Also a nice detail is, depending the version you get, the box will have the top view design of it's respective console that's inspired from.
I think this controller is one step forward, two steps back.
Better because of doggle and Bluetooth and hall sensors.
But they lost AA battery and now it is priced higher vs the Pro 2.
@@travisschneider3011I couldn't be bothered about it being Li-Ion instead of alkaline fed.
Because like I said I come from the SF30 Pro, which is the same way.
Besides alkaline fed gamepads, in 2022.
They do have a phone mount. Unfortunately you have to buy the black Xbox version to get it.
@@james.b.mcgill I said a proper carry case *and* phone mount.
The word proper going to both accessories.
Ever since the SN/SF30 Pro controllers dropped, they did have a carry case and phone mount available.
But you have to buy them separately. And the phone mount is rigid.
It's only movable part being the clamp to hold the phone. Which forced you to play with the phone mounted on the gamepad on a specific angle, unlike other gamepads that not only come with built-in phone mount, it's adjustable.
The next phone mount has to be that way.
Not to mention, it covers the indicator lights and pair button. So, to access them, you have to remove the mount.
@@dylives7667 I know. I have both the SN30 Pros and both the rigid phone clip and the Xbox clip.
I was just saying that the do make one, with the caviot that you have to buy another version of the controller to get it.
Something I think you can add to all your videos about controllers is a sound test. How loud, clacky, soft, etc. It's one of the most important aspects of gaming to me.
The Bluetooth one would be perfect if they offered replacement buttons for Xbox layout.
That do
i have the wired version, which was released before the wireless ones. absolutely fantastic pc controller, i've never been a fan of the feel of the official xbox controller so this controller is perfect for anyone who wants an xinput controller with xbox layout that feels like a switch pro controller.
I prefer the 2.4g version for its Xbox button layout, but I really want those Hall Effect joysticks.
I wonder if 8BitDo would offer button replacements so that we can change the button faces.
I'm going to get the Bluetooth version and open up the controller to swap the buttons to the Xbox layout. Looks easy enough.
You can interchange them on the program but yea physically it's not the same XD
I'm getting this controller for sure when it drops next month, it's already pre-ordered on Amazon, one of the few things I've actually pre-ordered
Not a fan of them losing the swappable battery. I don't use the swapping function that often but it's been nice to switch out the pack if I forgot to charge it.
Pre-ordered the bluetooth in black on Aliexpress some weeks ago for 55 USD. It has arrived to my coutry, I'll probably get it on Monday. Can't wait to try it out!
Yes, I pre-ordered the Bluetooth Ultimate version. I can't wait to get it in a few days and try it out with all my devices. This will be my 8th 8bitdo controller. So far, they have not let me down; this looks to be the best one yet.
Would love to see 8bitdo's take on a telescopic controller. Would be an instant purchase from me
What do you mean by telescopic? What about the controller would be telescopic?
@@RobbWes Something like Razer Kishi but with 8bitdos quality buttons
@@mfyoutubewatcher9352 so a phone controller
At the moment, very happy with my 'old' 8bitdo Pro2 controller. But it's nice to see they don't stop improving.
1 step forward 1 step back. They're not exactly improving.
@@flameshana9 depends on the next software updates.
I'm so glad I waited for ETA Prime's review before buying. Now I know that this "ultimate" controller is not so ultimate after all. The only upgrades I see over the Pro 2 (my favorite controller right now) are the Hall sticks and the left stick position (although I don't mind the PS style too much).
The charging dock and included dongle are nice bonuses, but they add nothing to the experience of actually using the controller.
With the Pro 2, you get Switch, X-input, D-input and even a Mac mode. And you can pair a different device in any of those modes, including a retro receiver or USB dongle. Plus, 3 of the modes have 3 profile slots each (Mac mode does not support profiles for some reason).
In summary, an expensive new product that falls short of the previous king.
All I want is a version of the Pro 2 with Hall sticks. That's the only thing keeping it away from perfection
Ehh many of these features are only a matter of time
Grabbed one of these. And compared to what i used until now. It's incredible. Glad i've seen this vidéo before christmas
I like 8Bitdo and I wish they would come up with an adaptor and controller for PS2
I've picked two of the bluetooth versions and they are amazing, for those wondering if the 2.4 G dongle can handle more than one controller it can't, but of course if you picked two controllers you are going to have two of them so you'll have no problems at all. Also, he didn't mention this but the charging docks not only charge the controller, they work as a USB extender so if you have the dongle "stored" in the dock, you actually have the dongle connected to your device too so you don't have to worry about having all your USB ports populated.
waaait what.. but i want to connect multiple to one dongle :(
i red somewhere that you could connect multiple x box controllers to their dongle but it doesnt work with their own controllers? i've got a mini pc that i want to use as a portable gaming console and it doesnt have that many usb ports. i want to connect up to 4 controllers to it..
I'd have to go bluetooth for the hall sensors. That's some of the coolest new tech for controllers. Personally I'd like a more ds4/5 shaped controller from them. The pro 2 just feels a little weird in my hands.
What's insane is that it's not even new tech. Sega used them as far back as the Sega Saturn and they were used for the standard Dreamcast controller.
@@TailsSR Wait, really? That's something I never knew.
@@katanamaru1 Sega really was ahead of their time in so many ways.
@@TailsSR It really does seem that way.
ya, gamepad companies are just now catching up to 1998. This is what happens when consumers don't demand better. :(
So glad that 8bitdo can send all of these promo controllers to people, but my preorder will be two weeks late... just excited to be able to use an 8bitdo controller that will wake up my Switch.
LOVE 8BitDo to death. They've been my favorite controllers recently! Though, I've been spoiled by Steam Deck's joysticks. Just the fact that I can put my thumb over the right stick to activate gyro controls has been a real game changer for me. Maybe one day 8BitDo will make a Steam Deck themed controller.
yeah and the back/paddle buttons on 8bitdo controllers are not assignable in steam input; they can only be set in their ultimate software (fortunately there's a version for android) and can only be set to other buttons on the controller. Although I suspect this is pretty common for other pro/ultimate controllers as well.
@@s01itarygaming Hopefully there'll be an update to make that possible on platforms that support it. Cause the switch doesn't have anything like that, even though they could have done that with a joy-con pair via a special grip to hit those SR and SL buttons.
Please tell me what I need to do to remap my buttons I'm stuck I'm in the software but I can't figure out what I need to do. Help me please
Had my switch version preordered forns few months, and it finally shipped. Super stoked for it to come in! Says it will be here on the 7th
I was curious about this vs the King Kong Pro 2. Didn't realize they were both using the same sticks. The no X-Input over Bluetooth is a deal breaker though. Also kind of baffling since my SN 30 variants work as X-Input.
Yeah 8bitdo has done x input before on bluetooth easily. Not sure why they took a step back here.
Finally,a review of this controller! Cant wait for mine to arrive
I have a question: how would you compare the d-pad between the PS4, PS5, Xbox Series, and this controller for fighting games? I know you said that this controller is good for them, but in comparison to the other ones, do you think it's on par?
I see you testing out hadoken inputs (236), but I'm thinking that this d-pad might look rough for doing half circle back forward inputs. (632146)
Just ordered the purple one, looks so effing good 🤤😍
The exclusion of easily replacing the battery and having the ability to use AA’s as an option is a major deal breaker for me. Thats what made their pro controllers so great and was an insta buy just for that alone.
@Jordan Sharpe The Pro / Pro 2 can be used as wired.
You can use the pro 2 as wired even without batteries on ..
The comprehensive overview I was looking for!
I was waiting for this controller for a while now but hearing about how it can't toggle between D and X-input for the Bluetooth version is kinda a let down. I don't wanna have to carry around a dongle just to play on my Android tablet in X-input. Hoped it would have been like the SN30 Pro 2 with an easy toggle at the back. I'd go for the Gulikit King Kong 2 Pro but it doesn't have the extra macro buttons at the back.
Thank you for the review i was skeptical because i don't see its hall effect mentioned in the box but seeing your tear down gives me peace of mind that we have the same package
One thing to keep in mind: The Bluetooth version of the controller has the buttons laid out like a Nintendo Switch. The white one has Xinput because you're also supposed to use it on an Xbox, hence the layout and color coding on the buttons. I don't think the black one works on Xbox.
So tempted to pick this up as I prefer offset sticks, but I already have a SN30 Pro 2 and GuliKit King Kong 2 Pro.
This is actually good! Maybe Nintendo, Sony, and MS will start making controllers that don't drift.
Just what I'm looking for, thx!
For 8bit and 16bit games, the 2.4GHz connection is definitely the one to go. The Bluetooth delay will really be present in action/platform/fighting games.
Wait, WHAT? If only ETA Primus had an IQ above self greed.
Market that.
The bluetooth has it too.
@@AniverrA Yeap, best of both worlds in the BT version. This is the reason why I've said "the 2.4 connection" and not "the 2.4 version" :)
I've been using the Pro 2 and didn't have any delay issues when using Bluetooth, 8BitDo's tech is top notch
Sorry, but there's no guarantee the 2.4GHz wont have similar delay. You need to measure it. For their other devices it varies a lot.
I just pre ordered Bluetooth version thanks to eta
I'm a huge fan of 8BITDO controllers and got a bunch of them here, but they're all the 'retro' style, without analog sticks and now I'm buying an analog stick gamepad, so the question is... should I stick with this one or the Gulikit itself? Like I said, I'm a huge fan of 8BITDO, but the GuliKit looks awesome too and for 8BITDO being using their sensors, it's because they know what they're doing. So... hard to decide... help me! :D
i mean if you're a fan to something you should get the brand you want since its already equipped with gulikit joystick.
you get more happiness if you get what you really want.
I'll tell you this much. I bought the Gulikit and while yes, it is a good controller. I run into many compatibility issues in titles, the sticks, while being hall sensor also have a very unusual sensitivity, not like those big brand ones. To be fair, so does 8bitdo out of the box but the difference is 8bitdo has such amazing software, you honestly can't go wrong after tweaking to your liking. Gulikit on the other end does offers customizability as well but from shortcuts on the controller itself but it's (at least to me) one of those overly complicated things to use because there is SO MANY SHORTCUTS. You essentially need the manual opened at all times to know what you are actually modifying.
Also, the Gulikit does not have the back paddles, the 8bitdo does. And last, think of the 8bitdo as a premium controller built around what the big international brands do where as the Gulikit is more of a "chinese" type premium gamepad, buttons are more clicky than "membrane" mushy. Honestly, my Gulikit hasn't stopped me from preferring the 8bitdo Pro 2 even though I much prefer asymmetric sticks. I'm picking up the BT version, I just wish they had a solution with mass market ABXY layout but oh well.
@@WhyKlef thank you for your input, bro! I get perfectly what you're saying. And that's it. I've just placed my order for this 8Bitdo!
Surprisingly we can get the ultimate bluetooth version for under 50 dollars in the Philippines. I notice that third party controllers have a markup in the US. We can get controllers here cheaper and often there's flash sales and discount coupons that even drives the prices lower.
I had a bad experience with my previous 8bitdo switch controllers and found that many of the cheap Chinese controllers use the same chipset. After a couple months they would refuse to connect even with firmware updates and the batteries completely died shortly after. Hopefully they've stepped it up a bit in the qc department.
I have the 8bitdo Pro 2 and while it doesnt have 2.4GHz mode, it does have the replaceable battery (plus option of using AAs) and the 4 input physical switch on the back; S/Switch, A/Apple, D-Input & X-input modes. Even if you didn't use all the modes, having a separate mode for Switch will both eliminate the possible "operating two bluetooth devices at once" issue, but also means the devices have separate custom profiles (in theory up to 16 profiles on Pro2 vs 8 profiles on Ultimate).
The 'Ultimate' controller including a charging dock & 2.4GHz dongle is good (along with the improved analogue sticks), but D-input only & a fixed built-in battery seems a step down. Especially considering the bump in price to £60 vs Pro 2 which is around £40 (I paid just £32 at Amazon UK back in June, no discount codes, grey model was just cheaper at time). The cheaper 'Ultimate' model without bluetooth is £40 on Amazon UK vs £39-£42 for the various Pro 2 models. Granted less latency with 2.4GHz vs Pro2 bluetooth, but the Pro 2 can also be connected via USB
I think personally, even if the 'Ultimate' carried over all features from the Pro 2 (inc 4 mode switch on back, included both X&D inputs), the lack of the replaceable battery would kill my enthusiasm. If the 'Ultimate 2' included everything the Pro 2 has, but also added 2.4GHz & the dock, that could be worth the £60, but losing features and gaining a dock isn't worth the extra imo.
Symmetrical vs asymmetric analogue sticks doesn't really bother me, I can switch between the Pro2, Switch & PS4 controllers without much effort. I used to prefer the Xbox style sticks, but after 6yrs of PS4 as my primary console it's not really an issue. I had/have a PS3, but was definitely more experienced with Xbox analogue position, going back to orig Xbox & GC (technically before that if you count the Dreamcast with its single stick).
Kinda split on this at the moment. I'd really prefer a much more user-replacement-friendly solution for the battery, and not being able to set it to x-input or d-input manually is a bummer. Guess I'll be sticking with my Pro 2 for now.
I own both the GULIKIT KINGKONG 2 PRO, as well as this 8bitdo. These two are probably the best third party controllers on the current market. The 8bitdo has the better overall Dpad, while the Gulikit has the better overall ergonomic feel. Either one you go with, you're winning.
I recently bought a Gulikit Kingkong 2 Pro and it definitely is a great controller but those face buttons are just awful. They feel sticky and not very responsive, completely unlike original Microsoft controllers. If the 8bitdo is better in that regard I might just buy that one and return the Gulikit. How would you compare them?
@@Godslayer96 If the buttons on the Gulikit bother you that, I'd recommend you go with the 8bitdo. I personally don't have an issue with the buttons, as they feel fine to press (they definitely could be better, though I wouldn't call them being anywhere near awful), but if you compare them to the buttons on say, an XBOX controller, then I can understand your reservations. If just for the buttons, go for the 8bitdo.
@@shinbakihanma2749 But can 8BitDo used on ipados ?
I've been waiting for a review before pulling the trigger. I wanted to get this for my Steam Deck.
I was really looking forward to the Ultimate controller, but I think I'll end up buying the KingKong Pro 2 or inevitable Ultimate Controller 2 for Bluetooth x-input when my SN30-Pro+'s stick drift gets bad enough. It sucks that 8bitdo has removed such a standard feature from their well-respected product.
I bought this controller not realizing it. I think I'm going to return for the KingKong pro as well. A real bummer, I like the feel of this controller and the charging dock is a really nice touch
I love 8-BitDo products. I'm such an old fashioned gamer who lived through every generation of cartridge based consoles and still prefer arcade sticks over gamepads but really need a controller that will last. I've been so beyond happy with my arcade stick for 8-BitDo so I will probably get a controller from them also especially since they are anti-drift. Thanks for the review.
The lack of easily replaceable battery pack is a deal killer for me. Both my Pro+ and Pro 2 controllers have had issues with the battery deciding it need to stop charging (or the controller would drop and reconnect bluetooth intermittently when on their battery pack). Moving to AAs always resolved the issue, but I've since moved to an Xbox Series X controller and am very happy with the results.
the pro+ and 2 are definitely peak controller design, they sell the battery packs separately now, all that's missing is a charging dock for the batteries by themselves to hot swap with
Pre ordered already
Can't wait until they release here in Germany
Personally I prefer the ergonomics of Pro 2!
Yeah, I'm with you. This one here is looking nice but the Pro 2 just fits like a glove and I prefer the PS style analog controls, with the D-pad at a higher position.
AWESOME. I will be getting mine next week!! Both colors. 😊
The only question I have is can it be overclocked? 95% sure that will be a no because generally only playstation controllers(1st or 3rd party) can be overclocked. Having an 8 ms reduction in input lag is comparable to going from 60 fps to 120 fps, so it is a huge difference. Other than that, this looks like a perfect $70 and under controller. I do want to try the high end Razer Xbox gamepads, but I'm not paying $150 for something that will develop drift so I've been sticking to $70 and under gamepads.
You mean 125hz to 1000hz polling rate? That's a 7ms reduction not 8.
(1/125-1/1000)*1000=7
A 7ms reduction is the same reduction as going from 60fps to ~103
@@exod4 Okay, I was off by one millisecond, who cares, I want to know if it can or can't be overclocked.
I've been enjoying my 8BitDo controller for a long while now and this one looks good! Might have to grab one :D
I managed to open mine for a deep cleaning, thanks for the help. :D
The wired version of this is going to be my next controller for the pc
The only problem is the pricing, so ridiculous.
-Ultimate Wired = $39.99 (NO hall effect! )
-Ultimate Wireless + charging dock 2.4 = $59.99 (NO hall effect! )
-Ultimate Wireless Bluetooth + charging dock = $69.99 (WITH HALL EFFECT)
Why not include Hall Effect Joysticks for the Wired version!?
I love this controller!
Definitely want those hall effect joysticks for both my steam deck and switch. I bet fps's on switch would be more precise than even the pro controller
I've been holding off for a controller for the Steam Deck I just purchased, so this was right on time and ordered the Bluetooth version.
been a fan of 8bitdo since the nes30 pro, because i mainly games on my laptop and phones, 8bitdo controllers are the best controller out there. compatible with everything i have, the switch compatibility is really good to use with wiiu and switch emulators, the built quality is top notch for the price, the buttons feels great, never had a problem like stuck buttons or stick drift.
so far owned nes30 pro, sn30 pro, pro 2, and zero 2. heck, the zero 2 is great for makeshift macro handheld controller for drawing.
I know this video is a year old and people probably know this by now, but the 2.4GHz version now has hall effect Joysticks on Amazon.
I heard about this controller a few days ago and i have to say, just clicking this video, i wasn’t expecting such an in depth review haha.
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Seeing ETA flick the controller towards his fancy OLED Switch with what almost looked like a pinch grip made me flinch.
I would love it if reviewers actually gave latency info for the main use cases of controllers instead of glossing over it and saying it seems fine. Having the mister included in the use case would be nice.
I've been using the same controller for 15 years!!!
(Sixaxis, dualshock 3 predecessor) The analog sticks are still in perfect shape, my secret is adding a bit of brake lubricant to the sticks at least once a year, when i take it apart i also clean it up internally,
I never had a problem with drifting, not registering imputs or so on.
I used this controller a ton with my PS3 and after that i started using it on my PC.
@n n I don't know what is "as much as others" but, but i had 50 ps3 games, on pc only Oblivion, Skyrim, Skyrim SE, Fallout 4 combined are around 3000hrs. I also played Dead or alive and MK alot.
Sure there are more hardcore gamers, but i would classify myself above average.
@n n Played GTA 4 on ps3, GTA 5 on pc, forza horizon 4 and 5 on pc.
Doesn't sixaxis have hall effect too?
Hall sensors!!!! I it brings me back in time with the Dreamcast playing Capcom vs Marvel as well. Still have my original controller over 20 yrs and no drift. Only changed the rubber for fave buttons. Worth the upgrade and will save money on the long term. 2.4 for me
Thanks for your introduction, really like your channel!
C'mon Gulikit, make us a drift-proof Dualsense already so we don't have to wait for your analog for the Dualsense Edge.
This looks great, might have to get the bluetooth version to go with my Steam Deck. Thanks for the review.
Finally the wireless version! Will definately get one or two soon!
This controller looks like it would be good enough to use for playing with my games on Batocera. I’ll go for the Bluetooth version.
Ive been looking for a new controller like this. So I just ordered one. Cheers!
thx for the video! ordered a bluetooth version for my steamdeck
The bluetooth mode being detected as d input only is a deal breaker for me. I guess i'll stick to my king kong pro 2.
Thanks for the wonderful review
adding to Christmas list!
So, none of these controllers i can use in the Xbox Series, but in an android tv? ETA, I´m from Brazil and I like so much your videos!
I'm not sure why people keep saying hall effect sensors won't drift. From industrial joystick manufacturer P3 America's website: "...there are a few limitations that hall effect joysticks have in the ferromagnetic material that is used, as its magnetic field will change over time and is directly affected by more extreme hot and cold temperatures. These variances in the magnetic field will cause the hall effect joystick to "drift” and affect the output voltage. This creates unwanted variances and impacts the long term reliability of the hall effect joystick."
So, where potentiometers fail with use over time, hall effect sensors fail over time regardless of use. They're probably still a higher quality option, but they don't automatically solve drift problems.
By your experience tearing it down... if I want to, am I able to swap the A and B/X and Y buttons PHYSICALLY on the bluetooth ultimate version? Or is it too dangerous?
You can’t with the buttons on the controller but you can buy replacement buttons that have the Xbox layout on the 8bitdo website
Hey ETA! Love all your content! Do you do any local work shops or anything like that?
Looks like my dream controller. I doubt you'll see this ETA, but I'd love it if you did. Can you do a Shorts (since I doubt it's long enough for your standards for a video) comparing its size to the standard DualShock 4 for the PS4?
Great video, but both the bluetooth version AND the 2.4Ghz version comes with the hall effect joysticks!
The 2.4g model now has hall effect joysticks as well, for those who care
The big draw for me on the 2.4GHz over the bluetooth is avoiding the input lag that comes with bluetooth (though some will say they don't notice it).
It's really unnoticeable
GASP, with the charger it's SO SEXY! I have a similar razer charge dock on my PC for my xbox controller and was like man I'd love a second controller with a more standard dpad (use my 8btdo pro for 2d games and RPG maker stuff/vns plus Steam Deck) and was like man, I guess I'll just get another xbox controller... was about to get one lol, but MAN THE TIMING YESSSSSS. The hall sensors plus dock included make it such an easy choice.
Bluetooth operates at frequencies between 2.402 and 2.480 GHz, or 2.400 and 2.4835 GHz