I'm not an aggressive person, but if you gave me 5 minutes with the person that decided to put 4cent potentiometers in 100E+ controllers, I would be locked away for a long time.
The reason people like the F310's D-pad is because it's a _Sega-style_ pad, which a lot of people swear by due to functioning in a different way from Nintendo-style d-pads. There's very few controllers these days that use a Sega-style d-pad, outside of actual throwback pads like 8Bitdo's own M30 pad or Retro-Bit's Sega controllers, such as the Saturn Pro (which has hall effect sticks!)
alot of military applications make use of normal controllers because they are already designed well for human input, so its not just that specfic submarine
Thanks, I’ll check them out. Looks like they’re shaped more like Xbox controllers which is nice since I have really big hands. The 8bitdo maybe wouldn’t be as comfortable.
Also for the super budget gamers, 8bitdo offers the ultimate 2c in a wired variant for only $25. I have the wired 8bitdo wired ultimate 2c Black Myth Wukong edition controller and its honestly my favorite PC controller
Not in my home. Heck, I don't know if they were ever officially sold in my country because I don't recall ever seeing anything Mad Catz branded at second-hand stores which I am a frequent goer toer.
The first third-party controller that really impressed me was the 8bitdo SN30 Pro. Once the Ultimate with the Hall-effect sticks came out, it was a no-brainer. Hands down the best controller I've ever had. Keep your HD rumble, keep your haptic triggers, I will not go back to first party controllers until they can match this level of quality for less than fifty bucks.
Bad d-pad is a dealbreaker for me. Controller manufacturers all seem to treat games with digital movement as an afterthought, which is probably why fight sticks are so popular honestly.
@@nathanmarshall745 Quebecois is actual French. Ironically, it even is closer in its pronounciation to historical French than modern Parisian French is.
At this point buying any controller with hall effect sticks is the way to go. Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo been refusing to use hall effect to make their controllers less durable, so you have to buy another one each time. Stick it to them until they improve
No. Non hall effect controllers can be just as good without drift. Hell I have an abused ps3 controller and that thing is still dead on point with no deadzones. They just cheaped out on parts.
My wired(!) SN30 pro randomly bricked itself the other day and customer support had nothing better to say than "sorry buy a new one". Though it was so good I am tempted to actually do that. Very conflicted.
@@Wuerfel21 Yeah, after a few months they provide basically zero hardware customer support which is a huge downside. That's why Hall Effect was a must for me.
I bought the gamesir g7 and its amazing, responsiveness is immediate feels like really good quality, has hall effect, 2 mappable buttons a special app and its only like 30 usd, there is also no tension in the sticks which makes it so much smother to use
The reason I keep buying the F310 is the circular d-pad. For fighting games, there really is no alternative to what it has (apart from the super expensive xbox pro controller), Diagonal and quarter inputs are super comfortable on a circle, and it's easier to press considering the d-pad is on the top left (similar to playstation controllers) instead of the bottom left.
The best thing about the F310/F510/F710 family from Logitech (and they've killed F510 since then, it was basically Rumblepad 2, but better) is the DirectInput/Xinput switch at the back, which is a killer feature for older pre-Xinput PC games and emulators if you don't want to have specialized "like the original" controller for systems you're emulating. For whatever reason 8bitdo controllers that have the same switch do not work properly in Dinput mode and consider it the "Android pairing mode". And as such, there's just no other modern alternative to work as both proper DirectInput and proper XInput controller that I know of.
Underrated point and why I still keep my F310 around even though I have better controllers. Just so convenient that the one controller just works on literally everything.
As a Logitech F710 owner, i never had a different controller. This is my first one, and it's been holding on me for 9 years now. My friends has gone thru 4 xbox cobtrollers in that time. I don't know how good or bad other controllers are, but man, the F710 is great.
Yeah, one of the things LTT misses is longevity. LTT reminds me of car reviewers, "This brand new Kia is as good as a Honda, has better electronics, and more features for thousands less". They don't tell you the engine catches on fire at 75K miles and if it doesn't is utter garbage by 100K - meanwhile that Honda will make it to 300K miles.
UPDATE: after watching the video and seeing the comparison between the 2c, i'm humbled. A wierd feeling of buying something, and then realising how bad it is. I'm gonna buy the ultimate 2c asap (i tought that the latency on the F710 was just my skill issue)
Yeah those Logitech pads are built like tanks, genuinely I have an old rumble pad 2 still flawlesly working after over a decade of abuse, i switched to a ps4 controller because some games need that touchpad, but that logitech pad will probably outlive me.
the Power A Wired Switch controllers are great super budget options as well with a 10ft cable, and for most of the games I play on STEAM they just seem to work with no configuring needed if you're use to the Nintendo face button layout.
One thing that caught my eye this year are those controllers with removable swappable buttons. I always liked the ergonomics of 360 controllers, but I preferred the thumb stick positioning of dualshock controllers. Having them swappable makes that possible.
My exact thoughts. For me, it's less the positioning of the sticks that matters, more the position of the dpad. It's a lot easier to cramp up when you have to angle your thumb and also put force through it.
@@bwfextreme If you use Steam Input or DS4 Windows it's fine, sure some games don't work with one or the other but you can get it to work fairly easily, stick drift is a different issue where you should go with any controller that ships with hall-effect sticks, I'd be surprised if any future console generation includes hall-effect sticks because they love that planned obsolescence to get people to buy more stuff.
In defense of the Logitech F310 we dont get it for the asthetics. But the tactility of the "individual" buttons (especially for the dpad) gives the logitech an incredibly precise feel compared to most controllers in the same price range that use membrains under the dpad. This is great for fighting games in "my" experience since directional inputs can make or break a game.
Linux took me out of that market forever at this point. PlayStation 3 controllers just work on Linux via Bluetooth, and funny enough, they just work in pretty much every game that supports controllers. I am not sure how much of this is Steam's doing, but anything that doesn't support the controller directly just gets an Xbox controller emulated. That does mean that most of them show icons correlating to the Xbox buttons instead of the PlayStation buttons, but I have been using this for such a long time that I have it memorized. You could argue that this is pretty bad, but I just liked my PlayStation 3 controller so much more than the Xbox One controller I tried at some point, that I kept with the PlayStation one.
Nothing has surpassed the Dualshock 3 joysticks for me. I've tried many gamepads over the years - the Dualshock 4 and Dualsence, the Xbox gamepads, several Logitech controllers - and the joysticks on all of them have a horribly small range of movement compared to the Dualshock 3.
They work so well because Sony pushes their controller software/drivers onto the Linux Kernel. Kind of how MicroSoft bundle's their own controller implementation on Windows, you get the same with Sony+Linux. It's genuinely been a good, pro consumer move, from Sony. I've used the DS3, 4, and now 5 on Linux with no issues because of this. Steam helps a little with Xinput emulation, but it works a lot better on Linux, than it does on Windows (without downloading 3rd party software).
@@user-cz6us7ok2j It stands to reason, actually. PS3 controllers often had sticks that are rather similar to hall effect in their implementation, so they are very durable and have a low amount of deadzone.
I know this is something you'd likely cut out for the sake of simplicity, but Dualsense/Dualshock 4 with DS4Windows has great and easy customizability, and they also have features that other controllers, even the Xbox one, don't have, like gyro, the touchpad, or adaptive triggers on Dualsense (yes you can customize those with DS4Windows)
Another thing to note about the F710 is it has a switch on the top to go between XInput and DInput, which I have actually really liked for compatability reasons. I got mine probably around 2011, and it has been really reliable. The only issue i've had with it is because of mines age, the rubber texture on the handles and back of the controller had degraded and went sticky, so I had to spend an hour and some goo gone and scrape it off.
I use a Stadia controller for most of my PC gaming. I actually love it. I converted it to BT after Stadia went down. Didn't cost me a dime, Google sent me a whole Stadia "Kit" about a year before it went kapooot.
The Stadia controller was quite ahead of its time. Connecting directly to the game servers instead of through the client to decrease latency? That was unheard of. If only Google open-sourced their Stadia tech so that others can use it instead…
J.Wick, do you use your Stadia controller with a Steam Deck at all? I ask because even wired it acts fussy, even in the Steam menu, and I was wondering if it was just the games I play.
The Ultimate 2C is amazing and an outrageous deal. The only thing I've found to complain about is that if I press on the d-pad too hard because I'm in INTENSE GAMER mode, it's a little too easy to press diagonals. Linus kinda skipped over the fact that the d-pad uses mechanical switches now and that they added anti-friction rings and metal "stalks" to the thumbsticks this time around. Truly an unbeatable deal IMO. Also, regarding circularity, apparently perfect circularity is not actually desirable. I went down a rabbit hole on that because I thought it would be, but due to the way some games determine movement, it's actually better to have a more square pattern like the 8bitdo (and some of the others). Someone else can explain it better, I'm sure.
My old 8bitdo controllers are great (SN30+ and SN30 Pro+), but I've been quite disappointed with the last 2 Pro 2s I've bought. Triggers have become squeaky and the buttons feel a bit loose.
my sn30 analog sticks are shot and i barely ever used them. d-pad diagonals are inconsistent and sometimes pressing up right results in up left instead. crap quality in my experience. really liked the iBuffalo controller until the membranes gave out from extreme use
the F310 having both an xInput and Dinput mode is so good. xInput is great for PC, and I've probably gotten close to 500 hours in Tekken 7 on it alone. Dinput makes it fully compatible with PS3 which is also handy cause DS3's are incredibly to come by nowadays.
I believe you might be wrong in stating that the only controller in this video with Dinput was the PS5 with dual sense. My 8-BitDo controller was a selector on the back for BOTH Xinput and Dinput. Though I have the Ultimate 2.4ghz, and I think the one you featured in the video was a different model. Either way, it's a fantastic controller. The included dock is great, and it effortlessly swaps from PC to steamdeck (via the aforementioned switch on back) Battery life is incredible, it's literally never died or even gotten close to dying (thanks to the dock) My only complaints are that the back paddles functionality only works on PC, and limited only to controller inputs. The settings IMO should be saved to the controller itself, and not be independent of the system it is being used on.
Have a F310 sitting right here on my desk. Hard to beat that value, and I really don't find it THAT uncomfortable to hold. It gets the job done pretty well and cheap AF when you can find it on sale.
Hard to beat that value? How about you value yourself more lmao Disgusting controller I would rather have 0 controllers than two F310s for the price of a first-party controller Just because rat poison is "cheap" does not make it good value to ingest
@teapouter6109 Why do you act this way? Just because we like this controller doesn't mean you have to. I mean if other controllers were free, they weren't good enough to make me switch. Time to grow up and accept this. Instead of trying to insult other people because you feel insecure about your spending habits.
My F310 lasted for almost 10 years of PC gaming. Died while I was playing Fallen Order. I was so sad. Been using a stock xbox one controller ever since
I bought only one controller from a 3rd party Amazon seller... opened it up to reveal a standard LiPO plugged into the main board, and decided to replace it with a nearly double capacity one... worked better for saints row than the regular switch lite joysticks; has an okay joystick deadzone, but none on the triggers making it useless for nearly every other game... I don't need to shoot a gun when I accidentally brush the side of the trigger with my finger or set it down... when happens more often than you would believe, even if I touch the side of the trigger on accident.
Im on my way to buy the 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth so I can use it's gyro (its also a Switch controller) to emulate the wiiu and switch with full gyro aiming goodness
The only thing I don't like about those 8BitDo controllers is the color choices. Pink, Purple, and mint green. Really? I mean, it's not bad if you want Twilight Sparkle and Pinkie Pie themed controllers. But green? Squidward is the only cartoon character I can come up with for that. lol
Agreed. There's a Wukong special variant (black and dark red) that's coming in a month (atleast in Finland) that looks really cool and is the same price. I'm debating if I should preorder a second one lol
I have both logitech and xbox one and the logitech one is still amazing to me. The thumb stick of the logitech one feels firm and solid, and the firmness help the stick return to center, where the xbox one will have slight arear of spring deadzone and have small deviation. That's pretty important for a car to go straight in racing game, which I mainly play. Sadly the thumb stick position is a bit far to hold for long.
The 8BitDo Ultimate is by far my favorite controller for PC. I used to use Xbox One controllers with a USB C cable and it did the job. But 8BitDo's offering feels like a first party controller for my PC rather than a console controller hooked up to my computer. Plus, it has a wireless charging dock that connects it to my PC once I take it off and disconnects it when I place it, and that's also very nice!
No mention of controller overclocking for ps4/5 controllers??? Not a myth btw (despite what some old Reddit threads would have you believe) overclocking been proven to reduce input lag.
@Thundxh Ive done this before with achieving a 8000hz polling rate from pc to dualsense via Usb, I really do hope they see these comments and address the power the dualsense really possess
The Logitech F310 is my go-to 15 - 25 USD controller. It's very frequently on sale at 15 USD for me, a price so low it has no affect on my finances at all, and it's plain ol' reliable in terms of response times and reliability. And yes, despite the d-pad feeling as wobbly as it does at first, it actually feels better than most modern d-pads today for the retro and retro style games I like playing, such as randomizers or fangames/rom hacks of classic games.
In-line analog sticks are make or break for me. I play FFXIV with a controller (the horror, I know), and I need to be able to quickly access the d-pad while holding a trigger and moving with the stick at the same time. That's just not really possible on an Xbox style stick layout, unless you're secretly Kitty Pride and your fingers can phase through each other. I also play a lot of shooters, and I just don't understand how people do that with an Xbox style layout. To each their own, of course.
Deadzones are great to prevent snap back inputs when you let go of a stick. They also help mitigate stick drift. Deadzones on controller sticks have good use cases.
Make A Dedicated Main Channel Video On @Wooting Keyboard People been Buying It Like Crazy Cause it's 100% Worth The Price For Pro Plays, Yall Making A Dedicated Video Will Bring In More Competition Which Will Lower The Prices And bring In More Affordable "Good Quality" Hall Effect Keyboards.
back then, the Logitech F310 was my go to controller. If i broke one, I would buy another, but that was like back during the ps3/xbox 360 era. The only reason why I stopped buying it is because of the bumpers and triggers. The plastic part that usually holds these buttons would always break and made them feels mushy when pressed. Now, I hardly switch to any other controllers after having used both the latest gen controllers.
Been using the F710 for like 15 years now. Don't have that issue with the bumpers. They feel very good, good build quality. I tested F310 before and they definitely were more springy hollow plastic, which could be a good thing for some games.
Speaking from a FIRST Robotics perspective, we live and breathe Logitech's G F310. In FIRST Tech Challenge specifically, there are strict requirements about what can and cannot be used as a controller. For Robotics teams that have little margin between the robot, travel, competition fees, and other costs, getting a reliable, cheap controller that's legal is huge!
I have an 8bitdo ultimate. I got it a year and a bit ago and through multiple pc revamps never changed it. Every other controller seems garbage tbh, its so good.
I wanted to mention that 8bitDo's controllers have a PC program that lets your customize the whole thing, button mapping, dead zones for triggers and sticks etc. Also they sell replacement parts on their website, so their controllers can last forever if you need it to
Honestly one of the best videos published so far! Super useful, as I know countless people spending 5+ hours researching just to end up with a mediocre solution that will last either 2-3 sessions and start to suffer of the ever-lasting problem of stick drifting, or end up in a drawer because unfathomably bad to use.
Hall effect triggers and sticks for $30?!? I had no idea..... I'm so all over this. Unless you're a controller chucker, should be unlimited longevity with zero drift.
Just got an MSI GC30 V2 for $39.99 Canadian. I can say, it's basically perfect for what I need it for. It's essentially an Xbox controller, except MSI instead of Xbox.
I swear people who claim the Xbox controller works great on PC haven't actually tried to use it for an extended period of time on PC. The pairing is awful, the battery reporting is awful, some games don't recognise it. I switched to a PS5 controller and haven't had a single issue since.
I actually use an DS4 and never had any issues with it in even a single game. to mention is that till mid of Win10 lifespan I was using an input mapper but as soon as windows supported it natively I could ditch it and it's still working great
Please, stop putting Amazon ratings as some sort of proof of product quality, they're mostly forged, at least biased. For me, removable batteries is way better for a controller. When it's empty, you just put fully charged ones and 10s later you're back in game. On the other hand, if you have to recharge it... well, your play session is finished.
Seriously? Trashing a controller because the layout is "old" and calling it disgusting? This kind of garbage is why I stopped trusting tech media so much.
I understand why most people buy first party controllers, but I really feel like the console manufacturers are constantly screwing over consumers with inferior stick sensors.
I do own 2 8BitDo controllers with charging docks (which u can put dongle inside of), its so convenient to just take it off charging dock and it connects to PC immediately, and when u done, just charge it again. Big fan of 8BitDo for this.
Something that felt glossed over during this was the fact that none of these had what could be called a spectacular D pad except possibly the PS5 controller which was by far the most expensive.
The 8Bitdo SN30 Pro is my portable controller, it's amazingly perfect to just keep in my purse for Android, Switch, and laptop gaming on the go and a 2nd/3rd player controller for my home PC. The M30 is my retro gaming controller that stays on my desk. Everything else for home I just use the good ol' reliable Xbox One controller.
The fact that the asymmetrical Xbox style controller feels bad for my arms and shoulders means that I will keep my nice comfy and symmetrical Logitech until a company with more money than sense figures out that one of my arms is not a T-rex arm.
Real gamers use dedicated controllers. A race wheel for racers. A wired fight stick for fighting games. Mouse and one-handed analog controller for FPS games etc.
I literally got the F710 for my friend just because I read the user reviews that it will last so long without issues. And while testing it myself, Honestly I love it. It's actually feels quality, especially compared to the xbox 360 controller which is my primary. I kind of want the f710 myself after trying it
For my home theater/gaming living room setup, I got Stadia controllers. Since everyone who bought one got their money back, many people sold them for cheap (I got some for 5, 10, or 15 euros). Flash them to enable Bluetooth compatibility, and bam, you’ve got a great, affordable controller!
I actually use F710 since 2010 and boy oh boy, it`s so good in my hands, perfect shape and size. Battery lifetime is astonishing(and yeah, aa battery better than integrated acc), d-pad is actually much more convinient than other gamepads, double standart input makes great compatibility. My main issue with it, is that from 2010, a number of wi-fi devices and access points so vastly increased that they start interfere with f710 signal, and i`m often losing control for a couple of seconds. I wish logi makes some new revision, and produce a version with some different frequency or just stronger signal
Agreed. I also have encountered those connection drops, which is especially frustrating in Soulsborne games. I have learned after several years of connectios drops that if you pet the wireless receivel into the included USB extension dock, the connection drops stop. Must be a power or range thing, or both. Or needing more direct line of sight.
Something important of note with the Xbox controllers is make sure you are getting the Core controller and not the Series X one. The Core series just feels better, has shorter travel on the triggers and doesn't require a dongle to connect to your PC.
Microsoft Premium my foot. I have a Mobapad with two Hall Effect sticks, NFC, 6axis Gyro, HD Rumble / Haptic feedback with linear motors AND rotation motors and EVERY SINGLE Button is Microswitched! They all are clicking! It costed 55€ but feels like 250€! And recently I got two EasySMX controller with Hall Effect & NFC for 12€ each. Fokkju, Billy!
Hey just want to point out that your guys' infographic at 5:44 indicates that the Ultimate 2C has bluetooth, but I don't see that anywhere on the product page. I think that the info on the graphic is incorrect and you should add a correction. Almost bought the controller but need bluetooth, so would have been very disappointed if I didn't double-check. Otherwise great video!
I'm not an aggressive person, but if you gave me 5 minutes with the person that decided to put 4cent potentiometers in 100E+ controllers, I would be locked away for a long time.
At this point, the only possible explanation is that they want their controllers to fail so that people to keep buying new ones.
The reason people like the F310's D-pad is because it's a _Sega-style_ pad, which a lot of people swear by due to functioning in a different way from Nintendo-style d-pads. There's very few controllers these days that use a Sega-style d-pad, outside of actual throwback pads like 8Bitdo's own M30 pad or Retro-Bit's Sega controllers, such as the Saturn Pro (which has hall effect sticks!)
ah yes the Submarine controller
😂
alot of military applications make use of normal controllers because they are already designed well for human input, so its not just that specfic submarine
🤣🤣🤣🏆
I like ps3 controllers still
Genuine ones
With PC desktop nvidia plasma
*submersible
Ps5 controller via bluetooth while running through steam works flawlessly every time. I just add all my games to work through steam.
I have never been able to get mine to pair in win 11 via BT. It's an outstanding controller with a wired connection
@@TheDocDrey same xbox
@@TheDocDrey you can also use the trackpad as a mouse for games!
I've noticed many games were you completely lose haptics if you wanted it. I usually don't care, but that is a loss.
I feel like not mentioning the gamesir controllers with the Hall Effect sticks is crazy.
Im a little disappointed that there is no GameSir controllers
You can tell this content isn't made by fans anymore
That's what I use. 23 USD, Hall effect sticks. Best gaming purchase I ever made
Do they sell enough to be in the video predicated on "why is everyone buying this"?
yea was looking for that...
Thanks, I’ll check them out. Looks like they’re shaped more like Xbox controllers which is nice since I have really big hands. The 8bitdo maybe wouldn’t be as comfortable.
That Logitech controller is a staple of robotic teams also
and in deep ocean exploration... well was
Also for the super budget gamers, 8bitdo offers the ultimate 2c in a wired variant for only $25. I have the wired 8bitdo wired ultimate 2c Black Myth Wukong edition controller and its honestly my favorite PC controller
Mad catz was in every home.
Not by choice but necessity.
Imagine all the death and slaves whipped to make them controllers back then
Not in my home. Heck, I don't know if they were ever officially sold in my country because I don't recall ever seeing anything Mad Catz branded at second-hand stores which I am a frequent goer toer.
still use my Madcatz game pad pro from 2005, this controller went from playing F1 2002 on XP to Elden Ring a couple months ago
Madcatz for ps5
The first third-party controller that really impressed me was the 8bitdo SN30 Pro. Once the Ultimate with the Hall-effect sticks came out, it was a no-brainer. Hands down the best controller I've ever had. Keep your HD rumble, keep your haptic triggers, I will not go back to first party controllers until they can match this level of quality for less than fifty bucks.
U should mention that the Xbox adapter dongle is somehow discontinued. You can only get it used on all major platforms
Bad d-pad is a dealbreaker for me. Controller manufacturers all seem to treat games with digital movement as an afterthought, which is probably why fight sticks are so popular honestly.
Up to and including the Steam Deck.
Yes, I went there. I'm that bitter about hardly ever getting to use mine because of it.
0:45 You can tell there aren't many Spanish speakers in his area of Canada based on that pronunciation of "Hola."
If you ask a frenchman how close canadian french sounds to actual french, you'd see that we just don't care
linus: hola 🎶😊
Guess I'm part of that minority
@@nathanmarshall745 Quebecois is actual French. Ironically, it even is closer in its pronounciation to historical French than modern Parisian French is.
13:05 - I was expecting a classic "Stop it, get some help" 😄
3:00 to control a submarine
A benefit of X-Input over D-Input, is that X-Input allows more controllers, D-input is capped at 4.
At this point buying any controller with hall effect sticks is the way to go. Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo been refusing to use hall effect to make their controllers less durable, so you have to buy another one each time. Stick it to them until they improve
No. Non hall effect controllers can be just as good without drift. Hell I have an abused ps3 controller and that thing is still dead on point with no deadzones. They just cheaped out on parts.
I've never been disappointed with an 8Bitdo controller.
@@QEin1786 I do, 8bitdo suck for fighting game. D-Pad is really hard and very uncomfoartable.
My wired(!) SN30 pro randomly bricked itself the other day and customer support had nothing better to say than "sorry buy a new one". Though it was so good I am tempted to actually do that. Very conflicted.
@@Wuerfel21 Yeah, after a few months they provide basically zero hardware customer support which is a huge downside. That's why Hall Effect was a must for me.
I haven't had any issues with mine but they do have their faults, go check the subreddit and there's people with problems.
@@thailazyguy just the answer i was looking for. the dpad doesnt look good for fighting games
I bought the gamesir g7 and its amazing, responsiveness is immediate feels like really good quality, has hall effect, 2 mappable buttons a special app and its only like 30 usd, there is also no tension in the sticks which makes it so much smother to use
if the app is required to make it function id consider that an absolute downgrade to the 8bitdo
@@PatrickRatman it is optional
The reason I keep buying the F310 is the circular d-pad. For fighting games, there really is no alternative to what it has (apart from the super expensive xbox pro controller), Diagonal and quarter inputs are super comfortable on a circle, and it's easier to press considering the d-pad is on the top left (similar to playstation controllers) instead of the bottom left.
The best thing about the F310/F510/F710 family from Logitech (and they've killed F510 since then, it was basically Rumblepad 2, but better) is the DirectInput/Xinput switch at the back, which is a killer feature for older pre-Xinput PC games and emulators if you don't want to have specialized "like the original" controller for systems you're emulating.
For whatever reason 8bitdo controllers that have the same switch do not work properly in Dinput mode and consider it the "Android pairing mode". And as such, there's just no other modern alternative to work as both proper DirectInput and proper XInput controller that I know of.
This, I use my 710 on an XP/7 computer to play older games and it's great for that reason. On my Windows 10 machines, it's an OEM Xbox One controller
Underrated point and why I still keep my F310 around even though I have better controllers. Just so convenient that the one controller just works on literally everything.
As a Logitech F710 owner, i never had a different controller. This is my first one, and it's been holding on me for 9 years now. My friends has gone thru 4 xbox cobtrollers in that time. I don't know how good or bad other controllers are, but man, the F710 is great.
Yeah, one of the things LTT misses is longevity. LTT reminds me of car reviewers, "This brand new Kia is as good as a Honda, has better electronics, and more features for thousands less". They don't tell you the engine catches on fire at 75K miles and if it doesn't is utter garbage by 100K - meanwhile that Honda will make it to 300K miles.
UPDATE: after watching the video and seeing the comparison between the 2c, i'm humbled. A wierd feeling of buying something, and then realising how bad it is. I'm gonna buy the ultimate 2c asap (i tought that the latency on the F710 was just my skill issue)
Yeah those Logitech pads are built like tanks, genuinely I have an old rumble pad 2 still flawlesly working after over a decade of abuse, i switched to a ps4 controller because some games need that touchpad, but that logitech pad will probably outlive me.
@@mightyy_6189 Try Flydigi Vader 4 Pro
I asked why they never do these videos on the WAN show about a month ago. I got a one word response from Dan: "boring".
You F'd up when you didnt include a GameSir controller.
Literally GOATed budget controllers, notably the G7
the Power A Wired Switch controllers are great super budget options as well with a 10ft cable, and for most of the games I play on STEAM they just seem to work with no configuring needed if you're use to the Nintendo face button layout.
In 2024, controllers without hall effect analog sticks are not even worth considering.
One thing that caught my eye this year are those controllers with removable swappable buttons. I always liked the ergonomics of 360 controllers, but I preferred the thumb stick positioning of dualshock controllers. Having them swappable makes that possible.
My exact thoughts. For me, it's less the positioning of the sticks that matters, more the position of the dpad. It's a lot easier to cramp up when you have to angle your thumb and also put force through it.
I use PS5 controller for everything on PC and have no issues. Even works for Tetris on Retroarch.
@@BeniosGames especially with the summer update.
Me too, like he said some games might require remapping but most popular ones has native DualSense support or emulate xbox controller.
The lack of default compatibility for most games is a serious downside, not to mention the ability to develop stick drift
@@bwfextreme Just add every game on steam and it's fine.
@@bwfextreme If you use Steam Input or DS4 Windows it's fine, sure some games don't work with one or the other but you can get it to work fairly easily, stick drift is a different issue where you should go with any controller that ships with hall-effect sticks, I'd be surprised if any future console generation includes hall-effect sticks because they love that planned obsolescence to get people to buy more stuff.
In defense of the Logitech F310 we dont get it for the asthetics. But the tactility of the "individual" buttons (especially for the dpad) gives the logitech an incredibly precise feel compared to most controllers in the same price range that use membrains under the dpad. This is great for fighting games in "my" experience since directional inputs can make or break a game.
Linux took me out of that market forever at this point. PlayStation 3 controllers just work on Linux via Bluetooth, and funny enough, they just work in pretty much every game that supports controllers. I am not sure how much of this is Steam's doing, but anything that doesn't support the controller directly just gets an Xbox controller emulated. That does mean that most of them show icons correlating to the Xbox buttons instead of the PlayStation buttons, but I have been using this for such a long time that I have it memorized. You could argue that this is pretty bad, but I just liked my PlayStation 3 controller so much more than the Xbox One controller I tried at some point, that I kept with the PlayStation one.
I haven't tried any of the ultimate controller lines, but the M30 and Pro2 work out of the box with Linux.
Nothing has surpassed the Dualshock 3 joysticks for me. I've tried many gamepads over the years - the Dualshock 4 and Dualsence, the Xbox gamepads, several Logitech controllers - and the joysticks on all of them have a horribly small range of movement compared to the Dualshock 3.
They work so well because Sony pushes their controller software/drivers onto the Linux Kernel. Kind of how MicroSoft bundle's their own controller implementation on Windows, you get the same with Sony+Linux. It's genuinely been a good, pro consumer move, from Sony. I've used the DS3, 4, and now 5 on Linux with no issues because of this. Steam helps a little with Xinput emulation, but it works a lot better on Linux, than it does on Windows (without downloading 3rd party software).
@@user-cz6us7ok2j It stands to reason, actually. PS3 controllers often had sticks that are rather similar to hall effect in their implementation, so they are very durable and have a low amount of deadzone.
If you're ever looking to add a controller to your setup, 8Bitdo does offer a PlayStation-style controller (Pro 2) with hall-effect sticks.
It is a very rare and welcome surprise when a game has settings with options to change to Dualshock buttons
I absolutely love my 8bitdo pro 2. One of my favorite accessory purchases ever.
I use the Pro2 for 3d games, M30 for 2d games. 8bitdo hasn't let me down yet.
Right there with you, man. I've got four of 'em.
They should have speed runners test the controllers. They're the most prone to subtle changes in controlling. It would be an interesting comparison
Vader 4 pro and Gulikit kk3 max were front runners last time I researched, but industry moves quick
there's a 4 now? I'm using a vader 2. great controller, especially for the price
I use the Vader 4 Pro and I love the controller. More then any first party console controller
I know this is something you'd likely cut out for the sake of simplicity, but Dualsense/Dualshock 4 with DS4Windows has great and easy customizability, and they also have features that other controllers, even the Xbox one, don't have, like gyro, the touchpad, or adaptive triggers on Dualsense (yes you can customize those with DS4Windows)
I have small hands! Thank you I'll check the 8bitdo controller out!
Another thing to note about the F710 is it has a switch on the top to go between XInput and DInput, which I have actually really liked for compatability reasons. I got mine probably around 2011, and it has been really reliable. The only issue i've had with it is because of mines age, the rubber texture on the handles and back of the controller had degraded and went sticky, so I had to spend an hour and some goo gone and scrape it off.
I use a Stadia controller for most of my PC gaming. I actually love it. I converted it to BT after Stadia went down. Didn't cost me a dime, Google sent me a whole Stadia "Kit" about a year before it went kapooot.
The Stadia controller was quite ahead of its time. Connecting directly to the game servers instead of through the client to decrease latency? That was unheard of.
If only Google open-sourced their Stadia tech so that others can use it instead…
Wish I picked one up in its time. Looked super neat, just wasn’t sure it would ever get a BT mod.
good on them for sending a bt kit instead of making it obsolete
I use a Stadia for Quest headset! I wonder what the bluetooths latency is like compared to others tho.
J.Wick, do you use your Stadia controller with a Steam Deck at all? I ask because even wired it acts fussy, even in the Steam menu, and I was wondering if it was just the games I play.
The Ultimate 2C is amazing and an outrageous deal. The only thing I've found to complain about is that if I press on the d-pad too hard because I'm in INTENSE GAMER mode, it's a little too easy to press diagonals. Linus kinda skipped over the fact that the d-pad uses mechanical switches now and that they added anti-friction rings and metal "stalks" to the thumbsticks this time around. Truly an unbeatable deal IMO.
Also, regarding circularity, apparently perfect circularity is not actually desirable. I went down a rabbit hole on that because I thought it would be, but due to the way some games determine movement, it's actually better to have a more square pattern like the 8bitdo (and some of the others). Someone else can explain it better, I'm sure.
8bitdo my beloved ❤
8bitdo OUR beloved
8bitdo joystick are dope, but triggers and shoulders are crap 😢
My old 8bitdo controllers are great (SN30+ and SN30 Pro+), but I've been quite disappointed with the last 2 Pro 2s I've bought. Triggers have become squeaky and the buttons feel a bit loose.
my sn30 analog sticks are shot and i barely ever used them. d-pad diagonals are inconsistent and sometimes pressing up right results in up left instead. crap quality in my experience. really liked the iBuffalo controller until the membranes gave out from extreme use
the F310 having both an xInput and Dinput mode is so good. xInput is great for PC, and I've probably gotten close to 500 hours in Tekken 7 on it alone. Dinput makes it fully compatible with PS3 which is also handy cause DS3's are incredibly to come by nowadays.
I believe you might be wrong in stating that the only controller in this video with Dinput was the PS5 with dual sense.
My 8-BitDo controller was a selector on the back for BOTH Xinput and Dinput. Though I have the Ultimate 2.4ghz, and I think the one you featured in the video was a different model.
Either way, it's a fantastic controller. The included dock is great, and it effortlessly swaps from PC to steamdeck (via the aforementioned switch on back) Battery life is incredible, it's literally never died or even gotten close to dying (thanks to the dock)
My only complaints are that the back paddles functionality only works on PC, and limited only to controller inputs. The settings IMO should be saved to the controller itself, and not be independent of the system it is being used on.
Yep, the Logitech controllers also have an input switch on the back.
that logitech controller kinda reminds me of a submersible of some kind...
Have a F310 sitting right here on my desk. Hard to beat that value, and I really don't find it THAT uncomfortable to hold. It gets the job done pretty well and cheap AF when you can find it on sale.
And it has the joystics next to eachother like a playstation. Which is an other plus.
Hard to beat that value?
How about you value yourself more lmao
Disgusting controller
I would rather have 0 controllers than two F310s for the price of a first-party controller
Just because rat poison is "cheap" does not make it good value to ingest
@teapouter6109 Why do you act this way? Just because we like this controller doesn't mean you have to. I mean if other controllers were free, they weren't good enough to make me switch. Time to grow up and accept this. Instead of trying to insult other people because you feel insecure about your spending habits.
Not even your grandma believes that
@Ceelbc The dualsense haptics are great, but the controller comfort and layout are mid.
I expected the sub joke, i did not expect the womp womp sounds effect good lord lol
My F310 lasted for almost 10 years of PC gaming. Died while I was playing Fallen Order. I was so sad. Been using a stock xbox one controller ever since
I bought only one controller from a 3rd party Amazon seller... opened it up to reveal a standard LiPO plugged into the main board, and decided to replace it with a nearly double capacity one... worked better for saints row than the regular switch lite joysticks; has an okay joystick deadzone, but none on the triggers making it useless for nearly every other game... I don't need to shoot a gun when I accidentally brush the side of the trigger with my finger or set it down... when happens more often than you would believe, even if I touch the side of the trigger on accident.
Im on my way to buy the 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth so I can use it's gyro (its also a Switch controller) to emulate the wiiu and switch with full gyro aiming goodness
The only thing I don't like about those 8BitDo controllers is the color choices. Pink, Purple, and mint green. Really? I mean, it's not bad if you want Twilight Sparkle and Pinkie Pie themed controllers. But green? Squidward is the only cartoon character I can come up with for that. lol
Agreed. There's a Wukong special variant (black and dark red) that's coming in a month (atleast in Finland) that looks really cool and is the same price. I'm debating if I should preorder a second one lol
I have both logitech and xbox one and the logitech one is still amazing to me.
The thumb stick of the logitech one feels firm and solid, and the firmness help the stick return to center, where the xbox one will have slight arear of spring deadzone and have small deviation. That's pretty important for a car to go straight in racing game, which I mainly play.
Sadly the thumb stick position is a bit far to hold for long.
I bought the F310 for Project Cars. Played with it a handfull of times together with friends. It now sits in my drawer to never be used again.
The 8BitDo Ultimate is by far my favorite controller for PC. I used to use Xbox One controllers with a USB C cable and it did the job. But 8BitDo's offering feels like a first party controller for my PC rather than a console controller hooked up to my computer. Plus, it has a wireless charging dock that connects it to my PC once I take it off and disconnects it when I place it, and that's also very nice!
No mention of controller overclocking for ps4/5 controllers??? Not a myth btw (despite what some old Reddit threads would have you believe) overclocking been proven to reduce input lag.
@Thundxh Ive done this before with achieving a 8000hz polling rate from pc to dualsense via Usb, I really do hope they see these comments and address the power the dualsense really possess
2:58 Ocean Gate submarine controller
The Logitech F310 is my go-to 15 - 25 USD controller. It's very frequently on sale at 15 USD for me, a price so low it has no affect on my finances at all, and it's plain ol' reliable in terms of response times and reliability.
And yes, despite the d-pad feeling as wobbly as it does at first, it actually feels better than most modern d-pads today for the retro and retro style games I like playing, such as randomizers or fangames/rom hacks of classic games.
In-line analog sticks are make or break for me. I play FFXIV with a controller (the horror, I know), and I need to be able to quickly access the d-pad while holding a trigger and moving with the stick at the same time. That's just not really possible on an Xbox style stick layout, unless you're secretly Kitty Pride and your fingers can phase through each other.
I also play a lot of shooters, and I just don't understand how people do that with an Xbox style layout. To each their own, of course.
Deadzones are great to prevent snap back inputs when you let go of a stick.
They also help mitigate stick drift. Deadzones on controller sticks have good use cases.
Make A Dedicated Main Channel Video On @Wooting Keyboard People been Buying It Like Crazy Cause it's 100% Worth The Price For Pro Plays, Yall Making A Dedicated Video Will Bring In More Competition Which Will Lower The Prices And bring In More Affordable "Good Quality" Hall Effect Keyboards.
back then, the Logitech F310 was my go to controller. If i broke one, I would buy another, but that was like back during the ps3/xbox 360 era. The only reason why I stopped buying it is because of the bumpers and triggers. The plastic part that usually holds these buttons would always break and made them feels mushy when pressed. Now, I hardly switch to any other controllers after having used both the latest gen controllers.
Been using the F710 for like 15 years now. Don't have that issue with the bumpers. They feel very good, good build quality.
I tested F310 before and they definitely were more springy hollow plastic, which could be a good thing for some games.
The Google Stadia controller is quite good. Stadia was discontinued a while ago so the controllers go for cheap, but work well with Windows.
I got my stadia controller for free and I would not sell it for cheap. it is awesome.
Speaking from a FIRST Robotics perspective, we live and breathe Logitech's G F310. In FIRST Tech Challenge specifically, there are strict requirements about what can and cannot be used as a controller. For Robotics teams that have little margin between the robot, travel, competition fees, and other costs, getting a reliable, cheap controller that's legal is huge!
What racing game is that? 10:49
I think it's called Hotshots Racing
I turned in my 8bitdo C for an Easysmx x10 specifically for the mechanical face buttons. Never looked back. Best controller I've ever bought.
I bought two x05s and love them. Too bad Linus put them in the "dumpster fire".
I have an 8bitdo ultimate. I got it a year and a bit ago and through multiple pc revamps never changed it. Every other controller seems garbage tbh, its so good.
Same here. Best controller ever
Love it as well!
Same, and i got mine for like 40$ which is an insane deal
The F310 has a DInput Mode, so saying the PS Controller is the only one is misleading
How does DualSense via bluetooth has smaller latency than wired ? (7:20)
I wanted to mention that 8bitDo's controllers have a PC program that lets your customize the whole thing, button mapping, dead zones for triggers and sticks etc. Also they sell replacement parts on their website, so their controllers can last forever if you need it to
What’s the game they playing at 2:24 ??
@@totopo26 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow, part of Castlevania Dominus Collection
I was never aware that the XInput format was so limited, especially when the DInput is older and more robust.
Honestly one of the best videos published so far! Super useful, as I know countless people spending 5+ hours researching just to end up with a mediocre solution that will last either 2-3 sessions and start to suffer of the ever-lasting problem of stick drifting, or end up in a drawer because unfathomably bad to use.
Hall effect triggers and sticks for $30?!? I had no idea..... I'm so all over this. Unless you're a controller chucker, should be unlimited longevity with zero drift.
was Linus talking to himself or the controller at the 13:08?
Just got an MSI GC30 V2 for $39.99 Canadian. I can say, it's basically perfect for what I need it for. It's essentially an Xbox controller, except MSI instead of Xbox.
I swear people who claim the Xbox controller works great on PC haven't actually tried to use it for an extended period of time on PC. The pairing is awful, the battery reporting is awful, some games don't recognise it. I switched to a PS5 controller and haven't had a single issue since.
It always works perfectly for me. I literally just have to hit the power button and it pairs with my computer instantly.
Are you sure yours wasn't faulty?
I have the Xbox One S (1708) and Series X/S (1914) and used them countless times on PC without any issues...
I actually use an DS4 and never had any issues with it in even a single game.
to mention is that till mid of Win10 lifespan I was using an input mapper but as soon as windows supported it natively I could ditch it and it's still working great
If the F710 is good enough for a submarine..its good enough for me.
Please, stop putting Amazon ratings as some sort of proof of product quality, they're mostly forged, at least biased. For me, removable batteries is way better for a controller. When it's empty, you just put fully charged ones and 10s later you're back in game. On the other hand, if you have to recharge it... well, your play session is finished.
The look at the camera for "same price" was peak Al Bundy.
Seriously? Trashing a controller because the layout is "old" and calling it disgusting? This kind of garbage is why I stopped trusting tech media so much.
I understand why most people buy first party controllers, but I really feel like the console manufacturers are constantly screwing over consumers with inferior stick sensors.
“Combing the depths” is crazy in and out of context
I do own 2 8BitDo controllers with charging docks (which u can put dongle inside of), its so convenient to just take it off charging dock and it connects to PC immediately, and when u done, just charge it again. Big fan of 8BitDo for this.
"EDITOR: Bro is FOCUSED" lol
2:46 Oh damn! I still have that controller... somewhere in my pile of unused electronics.
Something that felt glossed over during this was the fact that none of these had what could be called a spectacular D pad except possibly the PS5 controller which was by far the most expensive.
The 8Bitdo SN30 Pro is my portable controller, it's amazingly perfect to just keep in my purse for Android, Switch, and laptop gaming on the go and a 2nd/3rd player controller for my home PC. The M30 is my retro gaming controller that stays on my desk. Everything else for home I just use the good ol' reliable Xbox One controller.
07:10 linus sounded a lot like jesse from breaking bad here 💀
The fact that the asymmetrical Xbox style controller feels bad for my arms and shoulders means that I will keep my nice comfy and symmetrical Logitech until a company with more money than sense figures out that one of my arms is not a T-rex arm.
Real gamers use dedicated controllers. A race wheel for racers. A wired fight stick for fighting games. Mouse and one-handed analog controller for FPS games etc.
I literally got the F710 for my friend just because I read the user reviews that it will last so long without issues. And while testing it myself, Honestly I love it. It's actually feels quality, especially compared to the xbox 360 controller which is my primary. I kind of want the f710 myself after trying it
For my home theater/gaming living room setup, I got Stadia controllers. Since everyone who bought one got their money back, many people sold them for cheap (I got some for 5, 10, or 15 euros). Flash them to enable Bluetooth compatibility, and bam, you’ve got a great, affordable controller!
I actually use F710 since 2010 and boy oh boy, it`s so good in my hands, perfect shape and size. Battery lifetime is astonishing(and yeah, aa battery better than integrated acc), d-pad is actually much more convinient than other gamepads, double standart input makes great compatibility. My main issue with it, is that from 2010, a number of wi-fi devices and access points so vastly increased that they start interfere with f710 signal, and i`m often losing control for a couple of seconds. I wish logi makes some new revision, and produce a version with some different frequency or just stronger signal
Agreed.
I also have encountered those connection drops, which is especially frustrating in Soulsborne games.
I have learned after several years of connectios drops that if you pet the wireless receivel into the included USB extension dock, the connection drops stop. Must be a power or range thing, or both. Or needing more direct line of sight.
Something important of note with the Xbox controllers is make sure you are getting the Core controller and not the Series X one. The Core series just feels better, has shorter travel on the triggers and doesn't require a dongle to connect to your PC.
Linus should really grow the beard back😂😂
I hate the xbox controllers. They're too round, feels like im basically holding a sphere. I also don't understand the obsession with offset joysticks.
Microsoft Premium my foot. I have a Mobapad with two Hall Effect sticks, NFC, 6axis Gyro, HD Rumble / Haptic feedback with linear motors AND rotation motors and EVERY SINGLE Button is Microswitched! They all are clicking! It costed 55€ but feels like 250€!
And recently I got two EasySMX controller with Hall Effect & NFC for 12€ each.
Fokkju, Billy!
We need another blindfold tournament of LTT employees trying different controllers instead of keyboards
Never going back to a controller without back triggers, Scuf Reflex or nothing.
Hey just want to point out that your guys' infographic at 5:44 indicates that the Ultimate 2C has bluetooth, but I don't see that anywhere on the product page. I think that the info on the graphic is incorrect and you should add a correction. Almost bought the controller but need bluetooth, so would have been very disappointed if I didn't double-check. Otherwise great video!
I've had a f310 since 2012 or so and the thing will not die. It's literally built like a tank.
That 8 bit has a hint of the Google gamepad, just different stick locations.