INTRO Test & Tune: 2021 Aprilia RS 660 Review at the Limit
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2021
- INTRO: full video here davemosstuning.com/test-tune-...
No fiddle-farting around this time, we went straight to the sharp end of the stick with Victor Ruvalcaba of Moto Club Santa Monica. Suspension on the RS version is there specifically for go-fast purposes (vs the Tuono version). And this is just Part 1 of 2.
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I never expected this little bike to have SO MUCH RANGE to it's handling through adjustments. Amazing work, Dave!! You sent me home with priceless tools to pass on to everyone who buys ANY Aprilia from me. Looking forward to Laguna.
Victor & Mr Moss, a match made in heaven 😉
@@seanrmatic you said it !! 😍
Great Video 🙂 ! When Dave is counting and turning the screwdriver (front fork) I can't hear any noise. So what does one click mean ? A quarter of a full rotation ?
I realise its always a joy to watch a master in any field (whether pasta maker or suspension tuner).
Thanks for the compliment!
Watching Dave adjust this bike for Victor was like watching a high-end suit Taylor custom make a suit for someone to fit them perfectly. All bike shops should have one or 2 employees who have studied under Dave to set their customers up correctly when they buy a bike.
Simply Awesome! I could watch these all day long. Even an older seasoned racing veteran who has spent over 1000 hours not only fine tuning the set up for myself but that of others, I’m still excited to expand my knowledge. Thank you both for this channel. It’s definitely my favourite one out there. I could even name a couple of ex World Champions (who I raced against before they reached the top) who also have watched some of these purely based on my feedback to them. Impressive! 👍😎🇦🇺
Thank you for paying it forward and your kind words Marcus. They are sincerely appreciated.
That is amazing! I mean the amount of relevant details .. and it also makes so much sense! I never wouldve thought in that direction at all..
Thank you! I hope you feel inspired to change your settings and find what you need.
This is the BEST video I've seen showcasing the customizing of the ride and ergonomics of the 660!!
Also love how you took us through the menus and modes. I think I'd set the individual to a "rainy day" setting, have dynamic and commute for easy riding then use the two race modes when I want to attack some nice twisty secondary highways with the challenge the less aggressive and have everything turned to the most aggressive settings in time attack giving 5 different maps
I'm so glad I found your channel I literally am like a sponge that vid on making your bike comfortable I love it I never bought outrageous stuff but my hands have been killing me and you honestly educated me in properly adjusting the bike I cant wait to ride sat and changed everything and I'm ordering a new clutch lever I had that exact issue thank you so much
Thanks for taking on new knowledge and increasing your comfort level on the motorcycle. You will reap the benefits :)
Love aprilias! 660 was a masterstroke and recreated the middleweight sports class for sportsbikes. Why 660? Because modern middleweight engines struggle to make big power due to emmissions regs strangling outputs. 20 year old 600's were making 100bhp but woukd fail emmissions tests today.
Trouble with tuning in the uk is that new laws aim to criminalise ANY non oem parts or alterations of fuel and gas flow parts on an engine.
Aprilia seem to have matured and hit the spot on many if their first attempts. The Mille did it 20yrs ago, then the Tuono...the rsv4's are all superb and now the 660 with perfect balance and road manners with really useable power.
Great tuning tips from mr Moss...getting set up right makes a huge difference.
Buddy just picked one up yesterday so I'll get to give it a go probably by the end of the month. Looking forward to it.
Awesome! I was waiting for this one thank you. Great expertise here yet again
More to come!
It always amazes me how anyone could give Dave a thumbs down, the guy is a genius at setting up bikes.
Thanks Dave (and Victor) fascinating to see how much tuning can be done just on the controls/screen. I guess with someone who knows how to set-up and race a bike these settings are never set in stone depending on the track and weather.
Exactly, nor stay the same as you improve to find the correct ECU settings that work for you.
Absolutely Awesome Video, I am so glad I found this, 30 years of sore wrists solved with some Lever adjustments. Thank you so much 💖
Fantastic - yay for pain free riding! Can you pay it forward now and help some friends?
Mega Moss !!! Εxcellent presentation as always, with comments at the heart of the "problem" aimed at in-depth learning and not just a superficial explanation for the show..... Why does this phenomenon occur, what factor affects it and why do we have to change the specific settings in order to get the best possible result from your suspension no matter if it the standard one or an after-market "project". Bravo Mr.Moss, congratulations on your guidance to all of Us! Greetings from beautiful and sunny Greece.
Dave! I just converted my new RS660 to track! loving it!
excellent session !!
Dave your videos have helped so much but now I have the knowledge to know how little the guys at the track days do around us.
Eye opening isn't it. Worse, many do not acknowledge the need to do more.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Very true. We appreciate the work you've done to put out the content you create. There are few experts and even fewer who actually care.
Ahh The pains of a new bike. Took awhile for the rear set and bunch of levers that finally fit right to me.
Dave you are amazingly awesome......thank you for what you do and for helping all of us normal motorcycle people.....lol
Unbelievable. Still waiting for delivery of my RS660, but'm signing up for remote tuning. Thanks, Dave. Brilliant.
I look forward to working with you Ed. Thanks in advance for the opportunity.
Ed, I'm curious, where are you located ?
@@Victor_Moto Hey Victor, I'm a NYC boy. Little club racing back in the day, but out of saddle for a decade. I'm all over ur YT content. 🤣
BTW ur run-thru on rider modes and mapping was the clearest explanation I've seen. Ur recommended setting were precious.
@@edpalafox6328 right on!
Watching this makes me feel better about getting the rs660 next spring.
Instantly liked this one
Thank you!
Thanks for this video!
Very valuable info thank you!
Thank you for watching and finding the content very useful!
Nice video
Great Video!
Was the Ride with buffler pro without ?
Never knew that watch a guy turn motorcycle's can be you fun and Addicting
I don't know how this never gets boring ... I've got a Ninja 1000SX which feels a bit soft in the front (original settings form the dealer and I am average size), but I still don't know if I am right, if it's something I imagine, or if I should worry about it at all since I only use it on the road ...
I watched the full video. Loved it. Did I miss what Victor weighed? I thought he said 6'2". Looked like a respectable pace with stock components and slicks. Kicking myself for buying a 2019 636 to replace a SV650.
So, you don't like your 636? Or did I miss interpret something? I can't decide between a 2019/2020 ZX-6R, the RS660 or a older CBR PC40 because it's the most comfortable one to me don't has the emissions regulations bu****it that slows her down but has no modern electronics either.
@@NinjaKid1985 I have ridden twins for years. I liked the linear, albeit much lower, power delivery of the SV650. My SV suspension worked great, I'm still getting used to the 636. Things happen a little faster on the 636 as well.
LOL at the dealership...we all kno he went home and adjusted that brakeline forsure.
he's like a bike physiotherapist
I understand the concept here with your videos but every once you should release the full video in RUclips. Always a preview don’t allow people to realize how much information there is to learn (BTW I did pay your subscription) before anybody comment something negative. However I’m a firm believer that Great channels always provides something back to the community .
Thanks for your comment. We deliberately created a playlist for full free videos for people to immediately go to. The goal is one free video per week during the Summer and trailers have some nuggets in there for all to latch on to and start with.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Thanks for the quick response Dave. I have recommended you to two of my friends here in New England. They end up paying the manual, and they are also happy with your product. I have a new SF my next step is have a consult with you remote.
I watched whole video. And I don't even own a bike!
No fiddle farting indeed
Great Clip! Guys maybe you can help me out a little here. I'm in search for a new bike and now I'm torn between either a 2019/2020 ZX-6R or the RS660. It will be mostly road use for driving to work. Some canyon riding on the weekends and maybe a couple times on the racetrack. But doubt it will be more than 5 a year. I tend to the RS660 because of ergonomics and electronic package. But I like the screaming 4zyl. as well as the looks of the ZX-6R more and than there are the ~25hp difference. What would you guys say? I'm also open for other options but should be sports bikes. I've riden nakeds etc. and it's not for me. I would love to own a MV F3 675 and even could have a good deal in the price range of a ZX-6R but there are to many horror storys on them, which probably is the reason why there are great deals out there for them, so maybe better not.😅
Panigale V2 would be a more comfortable commuter than either of those bikes
My F3 800 has been flawless. Between the ZX and RS, the RS is more fun to ride with so much torque and not too much power where you know you cannot access it all. I can say that as I own a 2019 ZX6R so I can make that comparison. A 5' 10" the RS is not as comfortable, but if I add more foam to the seat it will be. Hope this helps!
With the midrange grunt of the RS 660, I don't think you'll miss the peak power difference of the ZX6R.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Thank you guys for the fast response and the Informations. Yeah I already sat on one. Feels good. The most comfortable to this day was probably the CBR600RR PC40. About your F3 800 I've read that there are the older models with silver engines and the newer ones in black wich seem to have less problems. Is there something to it or just internet myth? But as I've said, thx again as the answers helped already when it comes to my apprehention on power delivery.
So with respect to the lever position, it seems like you are making adjustments based on the rider's position while he is sitting up in a relaxed street position. When he drops his elbows, puts his stomach on the tank, and gets into a more aggressive position, it seems like those levers would be pretty much spot on from the factory. Most guys aren't riding upright with straight arms on the track. I noticed this on my own bike...after riding on the track, I realized that the levers were pretty much perfect from the factory, even though they felt like they needed to be rotated down while riding on the street.
Great comment! I choose to do the upright position as we need to get to the brake lever quickly in a crisis and this is where it has the best effect for most street riders. If you stay tucked all the time and based on your spine length, levers should be adjusted to your anatomy using this data point as spine length sets arm angle.
@@CatalystReactionSBW Thanks, makes sense.
Okay but is there any difference between time attack and just individual with the same settings like what’s the point of time attack unless your using the timer but idk isn’t the track already timing your laps
Time attack is intent and purpose against the stopwatch. Riding hard is not the same as you are focused on being present in the moment.
I fully expected the RS660 to dominate super twins racing this year as in standard trim the little Aprilia has vastly superior suspension to the SV and Z650 and is 30 to 35bhp more powerful, in fact you'd think the Japanese bikes would be hard pressed to equal the standard RS in power or handling after tuning and upgraded suspension, even the Paton although higher specs than the SV and Z650 still is only a tuned ER6 engine producing 80bhp albeit with much improved suspension, so everyone I know involved in racing has been amazed that the RS660 didn't win any of the NW200 or TT super twins races, although Lee Johnston did finish a distant second at the TT after Michael Dunlop retired with mechanical problems, IMO it's a mystery as the RS appears to have everything you could want in a super twin.
I think the key has been in real terms, useable power that the rider can exploit plus the limitations of cam tuning for duration. The other engines have shown to have far more tuning potential and available torque vs the really peaky RS660 engine. Hold true in club racing as well.
Whats the Top Speed ?
Did not have a long enough straight to find that out with stock gearing. Look at online dyno charts as they will list top speed as a data point.
That little a gots to go...