2021 Aprilia RS 660 | Suspension Tuned by Dave Moss
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2021
- It's like new bike day all over again!! The all-new 2021 Aprilia RS 660 gets its suspension tuned by the one and only @CatalystReactionSBW
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Here's me sitting here going "hmmm yes fascinating!" while my bike has 0 adjustability on any of it's suspension.
ALL suspension has adjustability.. even if just changing oil viscosity
Dave Moss is amazing, super professional
Dave Moss can tune your suspension remotely from anywhere in the world
I like how Dave in all his videos doesn't make people feel foolish if their not sure what he's saying.
I did a remote tuning session with Dave back when I had an Indian Scout Bobber that only had preload on the rear shocks. Between the adjustment he helped me walk through along with tire pressure changes and handlebar/controls adjustments, it was like riding a new bike and saved me from spending money on shocks I did not need.
Nice! That sounds about right 👌
Dave Moss!!! THE grandmaster of Suspension tuning worldwide. You never stop learning, by watching him explain the art of suspension tuning! Greetings from Greece (Athens) and one of the biggest fans/followers of yours Mr.Moss.
World wide. Easy....
I think this guy got no idea wtf he’s taking about . He says he’s “compressing “the spring , the only think that changes the compression of the spring is the weight of the bike and rider on it . By adjusting pre load you are only adjusting the ride height by extending or retracing the shock . If you were compressing the spring the bike would be LOWER . You can’t adjust the tension of the spring ! He says ride will get stiffer if it’s got more pre load but ride should be softer, it’s up higher in compression stroke where the valving is lighter . 🤷♂️ I have no idea how you could be a suspension tuner and have no grasp on this concept …
Dam, I wish more motorcycle dealerships had a guy like that in their "service" department.
Holy sh!t!! I didn't realize how popular Dave is. He tuned the suspension of my RS660. He was very helpful and informative.
You Guys are so lucky to have a man of Dave Moss's calibre and knowledge setting your bikes up.
Hes a living legend in my opinion! Love the guy. Best in the business!
Couldn't agree more. Here I am wishing Dave came to Spain a summer.
@@HormigaZ Just can just subscribe to his channel and access all Premium content. Then you learn how to do it yourself and it's even better 😉
@@stan59152 I have actually. Would still like to meet him
@@HormigaZ oh yeah, definitely 😊 I would love it too
Dave set my 09 TripleR when I got it new. Had ridden well over 5k before Dave had did his magic. Totally awesome ride afterwards.
Fantastic video, prob like you been riding 30 years & dont really know much about suspension. Dave is a genius, Massive thanks for doing what you do!
Incredible video!! Thank you!!
That bikes looks absolutely amazing not to mentions it’s fast as hell
Bill is always shouting. LOL. I don't mind. 😂
@@CaliMotoTV I’m sure I’m gonna be shouting too when I receive my RS660!
Such a amazing video!! Nice knowledge!! Its It's amazing to know how to set the suspensions and to have motorcycle with that option😅
Definitely hitting up Dave Moss when my RS660 comes in.
Watching his videos saved me from selling my gsxr600 and rsv4. Well worth the the yearly subscription.
Always the professional Dave is!
the knowledge in Dave Moss's head makes my mind explode.
19:42 "It's called an essential setup" this is why I look up to Dave, this 36 minutes video felt short because of how informative it is
Dave is a legend.
Dave legend!!
Wow. This man was a legend
Dave Moss is in the house!
Thank you for the video😍
Every rider needs a Dave Moss tune.
Dave is a wizard.
Well done Dave! A 36:00 minute video!!
That's a Pretty Bike
Great video! Good info, being 5’11 and 240 I know I’m probably looking at the same issues. I’m also going on a diet and exercise plan to help me lose some of the extra pounds I’ve put on. It’s on like donkey Kong for 2021!
@@CaliMotoTV it’s a win/win dude! Lol
Beautiful motorcycle, and i can't help but notice how sleek the bike looks after that fender delete. You're making great content on the rs660. Given a choice when you first got the bike, which color would you have gone for?
you are such a lucky guy
DMT is Super amazing 👍
The magician.
Not once did I believe him when he said "got it"
you prolly dont give a shit but does any of you know of a method to log back into an instagram account?
I was dumb lost my password. I would love any assistance you can give me
@Dorian Conor instablaster ;)
@Madden Karter Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
@Madden Karter it worked and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thank you so much you saved my account :D
@Dorian Conor Happy to help :D
Have you broken in the bike yet? Can you do a video on the 1k service if not? I'm curious what changes the dealer does in the ECU for the breaking service.
Man is good
Hi just a quick question can u recommend tools for the adjustment of shock absorbers thanks
Loving this rs660 content. Are you planning on switching out the suspension on the bike ?
@@CaliMotoTV I did hear dave saying nitron usa ( 4.27 ) where looking to get there hands on a 660 shock so they can copy/
make one for the bike, could be an opportunity there 💰💰 ( free shock 😁)
very nice back plate ...
where is it?
Hi Mate! I am new to your channel and this was a nice video. I just wanted to say my height is 168 cm and if i buy a 2017 gsxr1000 or a zx10r/zx6r will i be able to balance them with my both foot or will i have to tip toe? and do u suggest that if i lower the suspension of the bike would i be able to balance with both foot? waiting for your reply :).
Where’d you get your tank grips from ??
Do you think the rs660 stock rear shock will work for a 155lb guys (no gear)? Or is it still going to need to be replaced? This will be a track day bike.
Great tuner Dave Moss, learned a lot from him
Very nice bike that Aprilia but in mine opinion they had to spend more for a better suspension and less in all that electronics that is not very useful in a 100 hp bike
@@CaliMotoTV yes I totally agree with you. Suspension settings are personal . But suspension is definitely the weakest point of this very nice bike.
Dave must be thinking my goodness theses people Really Need a suspension Guy. Like Really Really.. lol
Ahaha, classic, Dave: “If you like a beating that’s fine, that’s personal, keep that at home”
I am the same weight as you so I’ve gone from 18 clicks out of 21 to 15 of 21 on the front and 2 lines on the preload. And from 8 clicks out of 16 on the rear shock to 4 clicks out and added 2 full turns of preload on the rear which started at 6 lines showing. That’s the same as your setup isn’t it ?
Where did you get the Italian flag to block the reflector holes on front tire?
Can you do a video similar to the video of you going over the reasons you sold the s1000rr but for the rs660? I'm looking into buying one but would like to understand the bike better. For example how the power comes in at different rpms.
@@CaliMotoTV My biggest question is how is the power at different rpms? I watched the videos and did not see you hit on this point. Maybe I missed it.
Great explanations by @DaveMoss, especially the preload and pressures, but in reality this is not voodoo science and ANY rider can easily do this in their garage on any bike they own. I will also second..a lightweight bike with less power is TONS more fun to ride fast than a superbike.
You saying "OK. Got it." While not getting it is quite funny.
It's ok.
I don't get it either.
But Dave certainly does.
most OEM componets the rebound has an effect on compression as well......am sure the top tier suspension companies have isolated this better or completely but i know my older bikes worked this way. ( think my ohlins TTX had them isolated pretty well )....i love suspension and not a tuner just a fiddler......ever since i tuned mine to perfection " on accident" b4 a race i been fascinated ever since......he seems way too heavy for stock spring especilly if he is faster rider......new shock in the horizon with stiffer spring.......suspension is such a fickle thing but so beautiful when you get it dialed......
Yep
Any idea where i can get the rear seat cover?
Its weird watching dave without the other dave behind the camera lol
Is this Turtle Rock up at Berryessa?
Wasn't this bike suposed to have adjustable compression in the front apart from rebound and preload?
I have no idea what Dave is talking about... And I have watched like all his videos 🤣
😂 😂 😂
Man out ever video i have seen not just yours after the adjustments you could see how stiffer ride it was. looks like went from cady to sports car not sure if would want to do that. i see the why and dave was great in explaining but if was planning to commute it daily whats your thoughts?
@@CaliMotoTV Wish we had those roads were I live! Love your Videos :)
Dave Moss is a genius. Don't understand any of it though!
This is about the same price as a brand new GSXR 600 RR, would this be a better value and all around better bike coming off a Yamaha MT03.. thanks 🙏
Hey Bill! Any chance you could drop me a comment on how the riding position compares to the V4 Tuono? I drove one of those today and was just curious on how close the RS660 feels to that as far as bar height/comfort?? Thanks!
@@CaliMotoTV great to know, THANK YOU!!!! I really want the RS and hoping I can be comfortable for 3-4hr rides! Road a Tuono 1100 yesterday, really nice bike...a little more power than I’d need on a daily basis!
@@CaliMotoTV Killer - thanks so much Bill! You’ve helped me a ton!
"... based on your ability and weight...." Was that a compliment or a put-down?! LOL Just kidding.
Where are you?
are you finding your favorite yet there are alot out there
@@CaliMotoTV I was wondering which bike you would own out of all that you have and have owned in the past if you could only put one in the garage just curious
i dont undestand 80% of what dave is saying but all i know is that he knows his shocks and dampers.
the only thing i learned in 36mins is that the rs660 has a dampening adjuster. thanks!
👍
i'm 170lbs and I want one.
So, back at the end of last year, AP Workshops in the UK worked with K-Tech to produce a new road shock for the RS660. AP are the go to specialist shop for Aprilia in the UK with huge experience of the marque. See the video with AP and K-Tech here: ruclips.net/video/hKpDIbxTYnM/видео.html
I wish Dave could adjust my bike, but that will never happen, the distance is not exacly appealing when you live in europe
How much do you weigh without gear? Just wondering for comparison. I figure gear adds 20 pounds, maybe 25 pounds with a backpack or something for regular street gear. So I'm guessing 220 without gear?
Yup ~230lbs
why not just drill a 3/4 in hole in the plastic to access the rebound screw.....think aprilla would have done that from factory actually......clean hole with a grommet covering the edges would look clean and give riders a way to adjust the rebound without taking seat and plastics off......thts insane having to tear bike apart to access a screw for the shock
You'd think that 😂
Does it need less rebound with less preload?
In this case, needed more preload and rebound damping both front and rear
So I am 206 without riding gear. This bike is 13 grand or more and I would need to replace suspension? Is there a fun good handling bike like this that comes with a suspension for my weight class?
Sounds like it would be fine since you are 40 lbs lighter and they got it set up fine. Bear in mind manufacturers can’t build a bike that has unlimited adjustability and optimized performance as those design goals counteract each other. This bike is definitely biased towards performance over adjustability. They try to find the sweet spot and design both the suspension and rider triangle for the average rider’s size and weight with some range of adjustability on both sides. I have the RS 660 and it’s such a great bike that I wouldn’t think twice about spending a couple hundred dollars on a spring.
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 Great…thanks for the info. Sounds like I would like to try it. So I would be riding mainly on the street?
@@dry509 I've seen bigger guys on the track with the RS 660 without mods so even on the track it would probably be fine up until the intermediate level (usually red group). For the road, no worries. You would be missing out if you don't do track day though!
I'm 170 pounds and have been running the stock settings for 8000 km and thought my bike handled perfectly. After 5 track days, I'm going quite a bit faster so getting to the point where I should probably stiffen it up a bit when I'm going to the track. I'm starting to feel some of the things Dave Moss is talking about and I can see it on my tire wear. Still, the bike gives me enough confidence to out-brake more experienced riders so it can't be very far off in adjustment.
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 Awesome…thanks for the feedback.
Wheel travel at rear is 130 mm so rider sag of 26 mm (your starting point) is only 20 %. I would have left it as is and certainly not added preload.
He's bottoming the shock though. I'll choose to add preload too rather than running out of travel at this point. The true answer is aftermarket shock with correct spring rate.
@@paulh9301 the tuner says he can bottom the shock by hand which is very surprising and something the video misses. It's confused also by making damping adjustments at the same time. It's after increasing the damping (maybe it does both compression and rebound like he says) that he says he can no longer bottom by hand. I always set the sag first
@@Bunter1815 That's exactly what happened. Preload was set for sag first. Dave added rebound damping because he was expecting to need it after that change. He did explain it's because it'll be closer to topping out so he's trying to slow it down. The damping adjuster, like other cheap Sachs units, is combined for rebound and compression. So they only wanted extra rebound but got extra compression with it. Hence backing it out again once the tyre showed the compression was too stiff. But the result was still balanced front-to-rear in rebound, so no problem.
So if say you are a lighter rider, say 180lbs, and have not compressed the spring and damper through wear as much, would you still likely need to adjust the rebound on the rear to avoid the double/triple bounce?
Has Aprilia set up the RS deliberately soft from factory (meaning high rebound, as Dave talks about "dialing it back" meaning reducing the rebound?).
Many reviews of the bike mention the rear shock as the bikes weakest link, just wondering if this is because of the setting and has the setting been a contributing factor to the bearing play (AP Workshops review). Any other owners experienced the bearing play/wear in the shock?
Appreciate help, expect my RS660 some time soon and I'm a complete novice on the mechanical front.
Are the indicators so weak that it has broken off in the first week?
Phew. Thank you for clarifying that :)
I respect all the skill and knowledge but how much of this is really relevant for Street riding where roads surface can vary so much that all your tuning doesn't mean much
I think its a shame that dealers dont offer a tailored suspension set up to the purchaser of a brand new bike, maybe as part of the PDI, they just send them out on whatever the factory technician set it at.
I don't mean to sound harsh, I just found your channel and this is the first video I've seen, but I find it strange that someone who seems to have significant experience on a bike and has a good following on a motorcycle based channel would have such little functional knowledge of suspension. Even terms and descriptions. Just seems odd...Like not knowing ANYTHING about setting rear preload, or which way the adjusting perch would need to turn, how that affects static ride height etc. These are very basic concepts.
@@CaliMotoTV Yeah that's fair. Just that there's not always a Dave around when you live like, pretty much anywhere else in the world. I don't mean you shouldn't use a Dave, but unless you were playing dumb to play up his skill it seemed a bit odd.
How did you get this bike a month ago ?
@@CaliMotoTV don’t tell @yammyNoob
@@CaliMotoTV have you ride a trident 660 yet? And what about the tuono 660? I’ve heard a few people say that for all but the highest speeds the tuono is better on road and track because of the front wheel geometry and rake making it extremely flickable. Would love to hear your assessment between the two
Am I the only person here who thinks this guys logic on pre loading a shock is completely wrong ? When you “add preload “ you aren’t compressing the spring “ as he states . You are extending the shock inside of the spring ! Therefor making the bike taller . The spring stays the same as it will only compress by what ever weight is on it . And adding “pre load “ or making ride height taller in rear won’t make it stiffer . It should make it softer if anything as you are now further into the softer part “top” of the suspension stroke where valving etc is softer . He says he’s compressing the speing , that which isn’t possible but if it was he’d be lowering the bike
Have Aprilia set this up for "lighter" riders ? Are they presuming that younger/lighter riders will be the main customers??
Keep in mind that Europe has a lower average weight than the US and Aprilia is a European brand.
The average US weight by quick Google search is nearly 200lbs vs around 155lbs in Europe. The video host/rider is past both of those averages so of course it's going to be under sprung for him.
Oh a 1 on 1 with dave moss. Lucky bastids 😬😃
Why is the dude shooting?
Its built to a cost and you're too big for it lol. My experience is that guys our size are best off watching the little guys go around. I've worn a bit of fiberglass thanks to my additional inertia
How much does the subject rider weigh ? Ok..... 245 Lbs in gear.
Why screaming all the time?
first
That guys accent is such a weird combination between Australian and American
It's mainly British (He's from Manchester), with US and I guess Australian as he spends a lot of time working in Aus during the US winter.
245 with gear! Lol.
yeah - no more pre load available - lose weight !!!
All this black magic is making my head spin. I don’t feel so bad though cos the guy in the video doesn’t seem to have a clue either!
@@CaliMotoTV 😅 thanks man. I am picking up one of these in a couple of weeks so I will be doing an online session with Dave myself! Can’t wait to get my hands on the bike. How do you find it? I’ve owned loads of litre sports bikes so it will be a big change. All the best from Ireland.👍
Always make me laugh on how much crap people buy to put in their bikes, and don’t replace the shockingly low quality suspention first.
The rear shock is shit just replace it.
This is about the same price as a brand new GSXR 600 RR, would this be a better value and all around better bike coming off a Yamaha MT03.. thanks 🙏
Dave Moss is in the house!