Just replace the trains with the current generation of Vekoma trains for that track style, the vest restraints on those trains are great and they massively improve any coaster that has them.
I don’t know if that could really happen. I could be wrong, but I think the new Vekoma trains are heavier than Arrow trains, and Arrow track is typically.... not as sturdy as Vekoma track. I mean by the point in time that Viper was built, Arrow was still using the rigid transitions and cutting steel on site (see also Magnum XL-200). At the same time, Vekoma was already designing their rides with computers and just overall creating sturdier and better designed rides (see Ninja/Blue Hawk)
@@eliasmertens9313 I have to admit that this might be an issue I completely overlooked, I didn't realize how far behind Arrow really was in some areas. Don't get me wrong, I know how innovative and influential Arrow was, but considering that Vekoma more or less started their coaster business by being teached by Arrow how to build their track design and then being licensed by Arrow to use it, it is incredible to think that Vekoma quickly surpassed their teacher. Yeah, from what I heard those newer Vekoma trains are indeed heavier from what I heard. If those really don't work on the Arrow Loopers it would at least explain why to my knowledge no Arrow Looper was upgraded to them so far. And wasn't Drachen Fire one of, if not the first Arrow Coaster designed on a Computer, or am I mixing something up here?
@@eliasmertens9313 Quite a few arrow loopers have gotten the new vekoma trains so that point is completely false, plus the trains use the original Arrow wheel assemblies and bogies so its really just a shell and restraint swap if anything. All three of the mega loopers were not cut and fabricated on site and had their track assembled elsewhere because most of their transitions and general design is completely different to Magnum.
@@eliasmertens9313 but possibly vekoma can retrack viper because the track is kinda bumpy and if that does happen then viper will be able to accommodate the new vekoma trains with vest restrains (this is a possibly if the new vekoma trains are heavier than arrow trains and they have to retrack it). but if the new vekoma trains are around the same weight as arrow trains then there’s a change of viper getting the trains by vekoma
The problem is the plot of land unfortunately, it struggles to bring in people and they know they could bring in so many more people with a bigger coaster there. But I wish they’d bring more attention to it or change something bc it’s one of my favourite coasters
@@Red_Bull2 Idk how ? I was at Magic Mountain last week and I would rank Riddlers Revenge as the worst in the park I had to fight the coaster from banging my head on the corkscrews. Viper runs smooth and that first drop in the back row on Viper is Wild. Easy top 4-5 in the park.
@@HondaAccordPerformance damn, we’ll riddlers revenge for sure wasn’t good, but def not the worst. Nah but viper beat me the hell up. I tried it in the front and back and it was just terrible. Slow janky and knocking me into the bad restraints and plastic seat.
Some coasters are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look amazing or unusual. Others are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look like their days are numbered. For me, Viper is firmly among the latter. I need to hightail it over to Magic Mountain and ride this thing before the giant Arrow Loopers go fully extinct... ...if CA ever lets its parks reopen.
Left out of your equation is that Viper is an ICON. It’s loops tower over the park midways and can be seen from a long ways away. It, along with the park’s observation tower are like their version of Disneyland’s Matterhorn. So whatever replaces Viper, would have to be extremely tall and extremely iconic and photogenic.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention an S&S mega looper like Steel Curtain. Six Flags has a solid relationship with S&S, and they could easily go for the inversion record or tallest/fastest looping coaster record. It’s likely a lot cheaper than a Mack hyper. I could definitely see that as a successor for Viper.
I was watching another channel and they brought up Viper. We all know it's going to go eventually. Many enthusiasts talk about converting the trains to the new Vekoma trains. I've thought that too but then it struck me. Since Six Flags is all about saving money, what if they brought Chance Morgan in to convert it to a Giga? It's already 186ft tall, Viper's Revenge anyone?
What SFMM and indeed the entire West Coast is missing, is a floaty airtime B&M hyper. The size might be tough, but this feels like a better complementary fit to me.
I don't understand why SFMM decided to go with an unproven crappie a** "Giovanola" instead of a SOLID B&M for Goliath.....let alone IT being a giga, since they were in this big rivalry with Cedar Point when they built Millennium Force, in a who's who tale of bigger badder and xtreme coasters.
I think an Axis Coaster would be the best possible addition along with potentially an uplift or complete overhaul of the Baja Ridge area. My dream coasters for that plot would be a Mack Hyper, a Vekoma Hyper, or a Mack Xtreme Spinner
I'm not too keen on parks removing all the big Arrow loopers. They are an important part of theme park history and pretty soon there'll be no more left! Maybe a Python-at-Efteling style retrack is a better idea? That would probably be within budget. Python has been buttery smooth and quite intense since the retrack, and if it works on a Vekoma it'll do gangbusters on an Arrow.
@@Just4CaliJames first do you mean California's great America instead of six flags great America because SF ga isn't in the west coast and second it's the only arrow mega looper left on the world a mega looper and a regular looper are different.
Me: *Sees title* Also me: *Cries in binge riding 12 times in a row because there's no line* Edit: But fr though, we just need something that has a lot of airtime because that's the main thing the park is missing
@@Joshwake There are only 2 coasters that provide airtime in the park. Apocalypse provides a little bit and TC has a fair amount but that's it. They are seriously lacking more airtime based coasters since they have almost 20 of them.
Imagine someone who has SFMM as their homepark complaining. The nearest park to me is 3 hours away. I can't complain too much though because that park is SFGAm.
Ive been very fortunate and got the opportunity to ride AXIS. and I DREAM of X2 and AXIs being next to each other. Old generation New Generation 4D next to each other would be AMAZING. It would be the perfect fit and the perfect addition. I am so glad you even considered the possibility, as its a awesome ride experience. I also would not mind them doing a CHANCE GTX in the slot only because I would love to see more and more of them being built. ONE isn’t enough.
I rode Viper On Monday and I say dont get rid of it sure its janky but what do you expect from an arrow. I like this ride and its definitely a good supporting coaster for the park instead do what they did to Phantoms Revenge and get Chance Rides to redo it.
I also think SF will keep Viper - but with a retracking done by the company that did retrack efteling's vekoma "python" looper. That one turned out soo smooth! By the way: Viper was one of the coasters I enjoyed the most when I visited SF MM last year!
This was the most impressive coaster in the 90s for me, it was my destination coaster and it didn't disappoint, as an adult I have been on many better coasters but Viper was the coaster that made me a coaster nerd
Same for me, too. Viper opened when I was 8. I loved it so much. Revolution was my first looped coaster. Space Mountain in the 80s was what made me a coaster junky. However, Viper is terrible now. It gives me such a raging headache from all the banging on the restraints. I can't ride it anymore. It desperately needs an upgrade or be taken down. Yes, it's part of our childhood, but it's okay to let things go.
The only acceptable replacement would be an Intamin hyper, with the same thigh restraints Chris loves so much. For reals though, I'd love to see RMC or Mack do a hyper on this plot. Since Goliath focuses on positive-Gs, and Twisted Colossus on ejector airtime, something with floater airtime is a must need for Magic Mountain.
I think Six Flags could give it a treatment similar too what happened to Blue Hawk at Over Georgia by hiring Vekoma. I know they're different from Arrow, but they could still easily refurbish Viper.
I agree, along with some reprofiling; like the loop after the drop could become a gigantic loop like on Riddlers revenge or scream, that turn could go over banked the two loops could become one loop and a dive loop the pretzel loop should remain what it is and the corkscrews could become zero g rolls. 😉 all of these changes could happen or any combination of them. Either way, it would be Viper, just updated.
The ride is just great, I ride it every time, I go to six flags, since 1990. Since it was built Viper has been one of the tallest and fastest looping roller coasters in the world, and will not change it for any of the new rides you mentioned. The only thing they need to do is replace the trains. Twisted Colosos was originally built in 1975, and with the update is an amazing ride.
As much as I hate talking about this topic, it definitely is going to be talked about more often since Viper is outdated and an older coaster. I love Viper so much I really hope the replacement for this will end up being better then Viper.🙏
Wow I'm surprised that you did not point this out. There is a large picnic area in between that land and the entrance of the park. The extra room could make some coaster types more plausible. For example, a mack hyper could follow the same lift direction as viper then have a twisted drop towards the picnic area. Then turn back around and have a twister section back on viper's plot. This also makes the dive more logical as the could have the drop going towards the bridge to X2 and go under it. Then flip back by using a tiny space of the picnic area. In my personal opinion I would want either a mack hyper or axis :)
RMC 500 foot or a B&M giga. they'd have to put some supports in the current picnic pavilion, but have it drop down towards the pavilion area, and then do an airtime hill over the parking tolls area and go across the street to the massive empty plot of land. If they ever intend on using that plot of land for a coaster, it would have to be a massive scale coaster that started where Viper or X2 now stands
Ugh i do not want to think about the day that Viper leaves. It's literally my 3rd favorite coaster in the park after Twisted and X2. It's going to be a sad day for sure! I'd rather see Goliath go first to be honest. Lol
I'll still say it will get a Morgan retrack like Steel Phantom did. Scream can get replaced by an S&S hyper like Steel Curtain (relocate Scream to another park first.
Wow...I can’t believe it’s going. As an adult I’m not as much a fan of roller coasters. But as a kid that was the big one, it took me several trips to finally get on, and I LOVED it. I understand progress, it will be sad not to see it anymore off the freeway!
Imo a hyper Mack would absolutely be the best option. Price is an issues but god it would be perfect. We need another coaster breaking the 200ft mark as well
If six flags does take it down. It will be an end to an era the end of Arrows greatest mega loopers. Viper is the only one still left. I live and grown up in Philadelphia region and I was soo sadden to see Great American Scream Machine go.
I've only been to Magic Mountain once, back in '91 when I was 11 years old. The Viper has been in the back of my mind as a legendary coaster my whole life. I was stunned just now when you said it's basically guaranteed to be a walk on these days...
Yeah I went yesterday and it was the second ride I rode after Revolution, and Viper was empty, walked right up and I was next to get on. And it was the afternoon too!
I think the Axis coaster is the best option but I do hold out hope that Six Flags (a chain that needs inexpensive options) and Vekoma (a manufacturer that needs redemption in the US market) can do future business
I think it would make perfect sense to put to weird and wacky rides next to each other it fits maybe they could even give them both a story that ties in with the other, something like the smiler and oblivion
When he said there's one more coaster that would be great at this park, I thought mack spinning coaster. Six flags and mack haven't really worked together, but imagine a ride like time traveler on the west coast
It's possible it could get the Phantom's Revenge treatment. Certainly big enough they could get a good ride out of it for a really good price as they wouldn't need any sort of new mechanics, as it keeps the lift hill, break run, and some track for things like the drop.
Cole Menteer Verbolten is great. It's third best in the park in my ranking. Of all 53 roller coasters I've been on, Verbolten ranks 11th, and Loch Ness Monster ranks 3rd. Alpengeist is 2nd though! I didn't know Verbolten was unreliable. Every time I go, all the roller coasters are up and running, or maybe I'm just lucky.
It's worth considering Viper's two brothers and what replaced them: Shockwave was replaced with a B&M flyer, and Great American Scream Machine was replaced with a B&M stand-up....so, uh, never mind. Put in an Axis!
0:30 and Scream because of it being so far back at a dead end. Plus, I'm sure Sansei will allow Vekoma to build next gen coasters in the US as S&S already built several coasters in Asia.
I think a Mack multi launch would fit well. Something like helix at Liseberg. It cost about 22 million in US dollars. You would have to make it more compact but it's definitely reasonable
Why waste so much money , just replace the trains with new restraints. They should put a classic antique car ride to go over bridges and around all that cactus on a beautiful landscape.
I wouldn't go THAT far....Magic Mountain doesn't have A GIGA OR FULL CIRCUIT STRATA.....BUT, as LONG AS it is under the Shi*...... I mean, Sux.......DAMMIT......I MEEEAAAN....Six Flags banner, that will never happen.
@@seanlewis1148 Right. They aren't going to go big. (and let's be honest, stratas aren't flying off the shelves) They've got similar experiences for every option in the video except a raptor or water coaster, but I don't feel those are great replacements. They probably wouldn't get me to visit anymore than I already do.
I really hope this never closes, maybe changing the pacing or something would help for the second half. I feel like simply adding new colours or touch ups will bring much more attention to it, when I wasn’t an enthusiast the reasons why I usually wouldn’t go on it was bc of how far it was from the other rides, but now I make sure to ride it every time and I’ve brought other family members to it and it’s now one of their favourite coasters.
My top 3 dream coasters for vipers spot: 1. B&M or Intamin Giga 2. Mack Hyper 3. Intamin Prefab Something you can also consider is land over roaring rapids which they can simply build over. The park could also build over the entrance area. Now a giga is just a wild dream. The west coast badly needs one. If six flags bought an Intamin giga I would go insane. It could maybe fit if it had some of the extensions I mentioned. A mack hyper could work really well here. It could have a curved drop like dc rivals and goes over the entrance. I would want it to focus on intensity just like rivals. Not a hyper looping coaster like the one in China. You got me intrigued of the idea of a prefab. Although highly unlikely, that would be an insane addition. It could have a layout kinda like el toro but more compact with a similar intensity level as el toro. An axis would be cool too but we still don’t know what they are fully capable of in terms of layout. I personally don’t want to see a dive coaster. They just don’t look that exciting. Too slow paced and very poor pacing. Except it would draw in the gp since they’re all over dive coasters. Imagine a hyper or fairly big vekoma being added. That could make for a fantastic ride. And they’re much cheaper compared to larger coaster manufacturers. It could have a lot of potential. So yeah those are my thoughts.
Don’t replace it. This is a great coaster and the best of its kind. If anything maybe get new trains like the blue hawk at six flags over Georgia or steel curtain at Kenny wood. The ride itself MUST stay.
Another great idea for a replacement is S&S's new looping coaster (like Steel Curtain at Kennywood). It could at least take the North American inversion record, but the high pricing and maintenance issues can really be a turn-down point.
Viper is the ride that made me love coasters. May not be a perfect ride with all the coaster advancements in the last 30 years and may not nearly be the best ride at SFMM but it's got a grit I can never get enough of. RIP to my best friend to who took me to Six Flags once because he had an extra ticket. I hadn't been on serious coasters before so he thought I would be a lightweight. I made him go on Viper four times in a row and he was the one begging for mercy! I've got my own season pass this year and I'm going to rider Viper as much as possible before MM phases it out.
I love Viper. I would love to see it thrive as long as possible. I was sad to see Great American Scream Machine go. Literally shed a tear. But I really do believe the best idea out of these would be that last one, the Vekoma looping blitz. Imagine “Viper 2.0” basically. Perhaps a somewhat similar yet more modern layout. Having the height with many inversions (especially at least one tall vertical loop for the memory) and a bunch of forceful turns and air hills here abs there. That’d be lit!!
I LOVE Viper! I’ve only been to MM twice. The first time I rode it was in like 2015 3rd car (I’m a back rower), and they had all the trims on so I wasn’t impressed. However, I got to go back November 2019, and it was hauling! Barely any mid course brakes, no head banging, and no line. Rode it like 4 times.
I love viper and all their other arrow creations. But i think a nice replacement for viper would be like an upgraded steel curtain model with maybe 10 inverts so they can grab a new record. It seems the best since vipers thing was mostly inversions. But if they scrap viper they'll still need to find a 20th coaster.
I was actually working on a ride in no limits for the spot years ago; my usual fashion it's the most massive thing that could fit there (coughbluesnake) and I highly doubt the park would ever add something like it, but it definitely feels like a worthy replacement... I should really finish it..
I’m sure no one would agree with me but I think another, more modern ride like Ninja would be cool, it wouldn’t have to be in Vipers spot, since it would be smaller.
Hun, I hope you don't mean Ninja at the same park. That ride is even older than Viper by 2 years. 😅 Definitely not modern by any means. It was always my go-to as a kid when I needed a break from the more intense coasters.
@@awamericanhistory6173 imo, Ninja doesn't really need an upgrade, since it's still super smooth and fun. It's only had one or two big accidents in its lifetime, which is impressive considering its design. But who knows what the future holds for it. I'll miss it if it ever gets dismantled or changed completely. Viper, on the other hand, desperately needs to be upgraded. It's such a painful coaster to ride now.
The biggest hole in the lineup of magic mountain is floater airtime. They have so many rides that focus on aggressive inversions and ejector airtime but nothing thrilling but graceful. They could totally fit the most unique B&M hyper to date if they want to spend the money on it. Now that we have real reason to believe the Knott's giga is a real possibility, they are going to need another investment soon. They could run the lift hill similar to viper now, then turnaround and run the hyper out and back behind revolution. Dominator at Carowinds fits between revolution and the service road behind it. Then they have all the space where viper is now to add a good twister ending to the hyper. They could even have the first traditional hyper to have an inverting twister section if they wanted something to make it more marketable. This may be a pipe dream, but it is totally possible and may be warranted with the competition in the surrounding areas.
Just replace the trains with the current generation of Vekoma trains for that track style, the vest restraints on those trains are great and they massively improve any coaster that has them.
I don’t know if that could really happen. I could be wrong, but I think the new Vekoma trains are heavier than Arrow trains, and Arrow track is typically.... not as sturdy as Vekoma track. I mean by the point in time that Viper was built, Arrow was still using the rigid transitions and cutting steel on site (see also Magnum XL-200). At the same time, Vekoma was already designing their rides with computers and just overall creating sturdier and better designed rides (see Ninja/Blue Hawk)
@@eliasmertens9313 I have to admit that this might be an issue I completely overlooked, I didn't realize how far behind Arrow really was in some areas.
Don't get me wrong, I know how innovative and influential Arrow was, but considering that Vekoma more or less started their coaster business by being teached by Arrow how to build their track design and then being licensed by Arrow to use it, it is incredible to think that Vekoma quickly surpassed their teacher.
Yeah, from what I heard those newer Vekoma trains are indeed heavier from what I heard. If those really don't work on the Arrow Loopers it would at least explain why to my knowledge no Arrow Looper was upgraded to them so far.
And wasn't Drachen Fire one of, if not the first Arrow Coaster designed on a Computer, or am I mixing something up here?
@@eliasmertens9313 Quite a few arrow loopers have gotten the new vekoma trains so that point is completely false, plus the trains use the original Arrow wheel assemblies and bogies so its really just a shell and restraint swap if anything.
All three of the mega loopers were not cut and fabricated on site and had their track assembled elsewhere because most of their transitions and general design is completely different to Magnum.
@@eliasmertens9313 but possibly vekoma can retrack viper because the track is kinda bumpy and if that does happen then viper will be able to accommodate the new vekoma trains with vest restrains (this is a possibly if the new vekoma trains are heavier than arrow trains and they have to retrack it). but if the new vekoma trains are around the same weight as arrow trains then there’s a change of viper getting the trains by vekoma
my god you cannot SCARE me like this. I saw the title and FREAKED lmao
Me too o.o
Same here
tbh i was kinda excited :/
Same and I still haven’t ridden it, let me get to California first
I thought I was never going to ride it
Nothing will replace it. Its just built different😈
Just refurbish it and get the new generation Vekoma trains for it, don't remove this wonderful Arrow.
fax it do be built different doe
Zachary Yamashita There’s no point in keeping it already has an awful reputation
🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥
i dont get it
They don't need to replace this coaster. Magic mountain can follow the same procedures as they did to Revolution. It can be revamped.
Exactly
Why won’t they though?? It pisses me off :(
Yup...revamped and preserved!!
The problem is the plot of land unfortunately, it struggles to bring in people and they know they could bring in so many more people with a bigger coaster there. But I wish they’d bring more attention to it or change something bc it’s one of my favourite coasters
@@Avazzz it’s a mega looper it’s gonna be expensive to renovate it and six flags ain’t gonna spend that much money on an arrow that’s not a 4d coaster
Magic Mountain's coasters are like disney movies, they saw it did good the first time and decided to remake what we loved.
Great American Coasters at least disney waits a couple decades
But some of the live action movies are kinda bad
Viper is Unironically in my top 5. One of the best. I hope it never leaves
I don't like it, it hurts my back.
I hate viper. I might have just gotten a bad ride, but rn it’s my third worst coaster I’ve ever ridden. I have 247 credits.
@@Red_Bull2 Idk how ? I was at Magic Mountain last week and I would rank Riddlers Revenge as the worst in the park I had to fight the coaster from banging my head on the corkscrews. Viper runs smooth and that first drop in the back row on Viper is Wild. Easy top 4-5 in the park.
@@HondaAccordPerformance damn, we’ll riddlers revenge for sure wasn’t good, but def not the worst. Nah but viper beat me the hell up. I tried it in the front and back and it was just terrible. Slow janky and knocking me into the bad restraints and plastic seat.
@@HondaAccordPerformance what’s #1
I never want this ride to leave and it's definitely not outdated!
same h ere love that ride hate to see itgo
One more idea: an S&S looper similar to Steel Curtain at Kennywood.
That's actually a good idea! It could beat the American inversion record too!
It would definitely be a successor to viper
I was thinking about this recently after i made the video. Would actually make sense. Its basically a larger scale bermuda blitz
Was about to comment that, but since you posted it ill just like your comment.
Airtime Thrills I could also see an S&S compressed air launch coaster. Something bigger than MaxxForce.
I think an Intamin Zac-Spin would be a great addition to Magic Mountain
No a screamin squirrel
Same. Should be called Green Lanteern: First Flight
They could actually just relocate the one that's going to La Ronde. Would save me a concussion.
You can’t even joke about that. It hurts too much physically and emotionally...
But I’m still laughing 😂
@@memecentral10 more like last flight
Some coasters are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look amazing or unusual. Others are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look like their days are numbered. For me, Viper is firmly among the latter.
I need to hightail it over to Magic Mountain and ride this thing before the giant Arrow Loopers go fully extinct...
...if CA ever lets its parks reopen.
Top Tier Comments I'm sure 2021 will be better luck
I feel the same way about Excalibur at Valleyfair
Agree completely, California was on my big coaster trip this year for Viper.
Left out of your equation is that Viper is an ICON. It’s loops tower over the park midways and can be seen from a long ways away. It, along with the park’s observation tower are like their version of Disneyland’s Matterhorn. So whatever replaces Viper, would have to be extremely tall and extremely iconic and photogenic.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention an S&S mega looper like Steel Curtain. Six Flags has a solid relationship with S&S, and they could easily go for the inversion record or tallest/fastest looping coaster record. It’s likely a lot cheaper than a Mack hyper. I could definitely see that as a successor for Viper.
I was watching another channel and they brought up Viper. We all know it's going to go eventually. Many enthusiasts talk about converting the trains to the new Vekoma trains. I've thought that too but then it struck me. Since Six Flags is all about saving money, what if they brought Chance Morgan in to convert it to a Giga? It's already 186ft tall, Viper's Revenge anyone?
What SFMM and indeed the entire West Coast is missing, is a floaty airtime B&M hyper. The size might be tough, but this feels like a better complementary fit to me.
I don't understand why SFMM decided to go with an unproven crappie a** "Giovanola" instead of a SOLID B&M for Goliath.....let alone IT being a giga, since they were in this big rivalry with Cedar Point when they built Millennium Force, in a who's who tale of bigger badder and xtreme coasters.
I think an Axis Coaster would be the best possible addition along with potentially an uplift or complete overhaul of the Baja Ridge area.
My dream coasters for that plot would be a Mack Hyper, a Vekoma Hyper, or a Mack Xtreme Spinner
Knowing Six Flags it will probably be a Larson Loop called "Goliath 2" or something
Or the world's largest park bench.
@@BackSeatJunkie sounds accurate... six flags is known for removing decent rides for mediocre replacements
Butter Pecan even a park bench would be better than first flight
Green Lantern: First Flight more like Green Lantern: Final Flight
I'm not too keen on parks removing all the big Arrow loopers. They are an important part of theme park history and pretty soon there'll be no more left! Maybe a Python-at-Efteling style retrack is a better idea? That would probably be within budget. Python has been buttery smooth and quite intense since the retrack, and if it works on a Vekoma it'll do gangbusters on an Arrow.
Literally wanted to say same thing. A retrack would be delightful. It's worth preserving and updating.
I road Viper the first week it opened. I waited 4 hours. Still one of my all time favorites. If it goes it will be missed.
I've always wondered what an RMC'd steel coaster would look like if that's even remotely possible.
considering the fact that viper is literally the only one of its kind left on the west coast if not the world
the demon is still operating a SF great america, so not the only arrow looper in Cali
@@Just4CaliJames first do you mean California's great America instead of six flags great America because SF ga isn't in the west coast and second it's the only arrow mega looper left on the world a mega looper and a regular looper are different.
@@Just4CaliJames Unfortunately Viper will be the last Arrow looper in Cali with what’s happening to CGA.
I'v only ridden Viper once. I really hope to get back to Magic Mountain soon.
Me: *Sees title*
Also me: *Cries in binge riding 12 times in a row because there's no line*
Edit: But fr though, we just need something that has a lot of airtime because that's the main thing the park is missing
yeah the park has too many coasters based on positive gs they need more airtime filled coasters
y'all ever heard of twisted colossus?
@@Joshwake That's one coaster out of 19
@@Joshwake There are only 2 coasters that provide airtime in the park. Apocalypse provides a little bit and TC has a fair amount but that's it. They are seriously lacking more airtime based coasters since they have almost 20 of them.
@@stanton1270 WCR gives good airtime too
I think a slc is a good choice! It’s smooth and pull some good laterals also that airtime, OOH!
Shame there's no inversions or rough transitions tho
Honestly a SLC 2.0 would be cool. It would be smoother with better restraints
@@CoasterHorizons that would be interesting. A modern slc. But I would prefer a blitz
CrazyDash Yt yeah me too
SLC Mark 2
6 Flags Magic Mountain needs to preserve this coaster as long as they can! It's a true treasure 🐍🎢
Wait my homepark almost got an Intamin pre-fab but it didn’t?....well frick
My disappointment levels are immeasurable
yeah we were about to out pizza the hut (CP) but corporate said nah lets give them Green Lantern instead
does anybody know where that claim came from? I tried to look into it but didn’t find anything.
Imagine someone who has SFMM as their homepark complaining. The nearest park to me is 3 hours away. I can't complain too much though because that park is SFGAm.
Alex Exists we are not complaining. We are just saying how we wished we got the Prefab. I
Ive been very fortunate and got the opportunity to ride AXIS. and I DREAM of X2 and AXIs being next to each other. Old generation New Generation 4D next to each other would be AMAZING. It would be the perfect fit and the perfect addition. I am so glad you even considered the possibility, as its a awesome ride experience.
I also would not mind them doing a CHANCE GTX in the slot only because I would love to see more and more of them being built. ONE isn’t enough.
I say an out and back B&M Giga Starting near X², go along the service road the wrap around the water park and TC
Pls no I want to ride this before it's gone. Need to ride this.
Ironic given your name
I rode Viper On Monday and I say dont get rid of it sure its janky but what do you expect from an arrow. I like this ride and its definitely a good supporting coaster for the park instead do what they did to Phantoms Revenge and get Chance Rides to redo it.
I also think SF will keep Viper - but with a retracking done by the company that did retrack efteling's vekoma "python" looper. That one turned out soo smooth! By the way: Viper was one of the coasters I enjoyed the most when I visited SF MM last year!
Thanks for pushing all this content out over the past couple days, man. Kudos.
This was the most impressive coaster in the 90s for me, it was my destination coaster and it didn't disappoint, as an adult I have been on many better coasters but Viper was the coaster that made me a coaster nerd
Same for me, too. Viper opened when I was 8. I loved it so much. Revolution was my first looped coaster. Space Mountain in the 80s was what made me a coaster junky. However, Viper is terrible now. It gives me such a raging headache from all the banging on the restraints. I can't ride it anymore. It desperately needs an upgrade or be taken down. Yes, it's part of our childhood, but it's okay to let things go.
The only acceptable replacement would be an Intamin hyper, with the same thigh restraints Chris loves so much.
For reals though, I'd love to see RMC or Mack do a hyper on this plot. Since Goliath focuses on positive-Gs, and Twisted Colossus on ejector airtime, something with floater airtime is a must need for Magic Mountain.
I think Six Flags could give it a treatment similar too what happened to Blue Hawk at Over Georgia by hiring Vekoma. I know they're different from Arrow, but they could still easily refurbish Viper.
I agree, along with some reprofiling; like the loop after the drop could become a gigantic loop like on Riddlers revenge or scream, that turn could go over banked the two loops could become one loop and a dive loop the pretzel loop should remain what it is and the corkscrews could become zero g rolls. 😉 all of these changes could happen or any combination of them. Either way, it would be Viper, just updated.
The ride is just great, I ride it every time, I go to six flags, since 1990. Since it was built Viper has been one of the tallest and fastest looping roller coasters in the world, and will not change it for any of the new rides you mentioned. The only thing they need to do is replace the trains. Twisted Colosos was originally built in 1975, and with the update is an amazing ride.
As much as I hate talking about this topic, it definitely is going to be talked about more often since Viper is outdated and an older coaster. I love Viper so much I really hope the replacement for this will end up being better then Viper.🙏
Wow I'm surprised that you did not point this out. There is a large picnic area in between that land and the entrance of the park. The extra room could make some coaster types more plausible. For example, a mack hyper could follow the same lift direction as viper then have a twisted drop towards the picnic area. Then turn back around and have a twister section back on viper's plot. This also makes the dive more logical as the could have the drop going towards the bridge to X2 and go under it. Then flip back by using a tiny space of the picnic area. In my personal opinion I would want either a mack hyper or axis :)
RMC 500 foot or a B&M giga. they'd have to put some supports in the current picnic pavilion, but have it drop down towards the pavilion area, and then do an airtime hill over the parking tolls area and go across the street to the massive empty plot of land. If they ever intend on using that plot of land for a coaster, it would have to be a massive scale coaster that started where Viper or X2 now stands
Ugh i do not want to think about the day that Viper leaves. It's literally my 3rd favorite coaster in the park after Twisted and X2. It's going to be a sad day for sure! I'd rather see Goliath go first to be honest. Lol
Hopefully a bunch of 4D freespins
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I'll still say it will get a Morgan retrack like Steel Phantom did. Scream can get replaced by an S&S hyper like Steel Curtain (relocate Scream to another park first.
As much as I want to ride this, it does look really janky. Whatever will replace it will be the hypest thing MM does for a long while.
All it needs is a new paint job and next generation venom trains.
Wow...I can’t believe it’s going. As an adult I’m not as much a fan of roller coasters. But as a kid that was the big one, it took me several trips to finally get on, and I LOVED it. I understand progress, it will be sad not to see it anymore off the freeway!
Imo a hyper Mack would absolutely be the best option. Price is an issues but god it would be perfect. We need another coaster breaking the 200ft mark as well
“Guarantee will be a walk on” ...I take it you’ve never been to magic mountain in July.
If six flags does take it down. It will be an end to an era the end of Arrows greatest mega loopers. Viper is the only one still left. I live and grown up in Philadelphia region and I was soo sadden to see Great American Scream Machine go.
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I LOVE Viper so much. I really hope they don’t get rid of it in the next few years.
I've only been to Magic Mountain once, back in '91 when I was 11 years old. The Viper has been in the back of my mind as a legendary coaster my whole life. I was stunned just now when you said it's basically guaranteed to be a walk on these days...
The only thing that would be worthy to replace Viper would be a 220 ft GIGA from B&M, otherwise Viper better stay.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 You do realize that 220 feet is a Hyper, not a Giga. That is also smaller than Goliath.
Yeah I went yesterday and it was the second ride I rode after Revolution, and Viper was empty, walked right up and I was next to get on. And it was the afternoon too!
I think the Axis coaster is the best option but I do hold out hope that Six Flags (a chain that needs inexpensive options) and Vekoma (a manufacturer that needs redemption in the US market) can do future business
I went on the day before New Years Eve in 2017 and man was I surprised to see an hour and 30 minute wait on this thing
A Skyrush Clone
It actually wouldn't be as bad
That could be a possibility!
Skyrush is amazing! I don't care if my legs hurt the rest of the day lol
He actually likes it now
@@Coolsomeone234 Even better than
I think it would make perfect sense to put to weird and wacky rides next to each other it fits maybe they could even give them both a story that ties in with the other, something like the smiler and oblivion
I would love to see a Pinfari inverting coaster similar to the one that operated at Knotts, but a Hopkins looper would be nice.
Knott's had a Pinfari? That's news to me.
Scream is probably waiting for Viper to disappear so it doesn't have to be the not-as-good little brother.
When he said there's one more coaster that would be great at this park, I thought mack spinning coaster. Six flags and mack haven't really worked together, but imagine a ride like time traveler on the west coast
It's possible it could get the Phantom's Revenge treatment. Certainly big enough they could get a good ride out of it for a really good price as they wouldn't need any sort of new mechanics, as it keeps the lift hill, break run, and some track for things like the drop.
It needs to be redone and it’ll be one of the best coasters!
Nothing because all arrows need to stay
I would probably cry if Loch Ness Monster at my home park was removed
Cole Menteer Busch Gardens Williamsburg is my home Park and Loch Ness Monster is among my favorite roller coasters of all time!
Rocky Tuck I personally I think verbolten is the best at the park. When it’s not broken down.
Cole Menteer Verbolten is great. It's third best in the park in my ranking. Of all 53 roller coasters I've been on, Verbolten ranks 11th, and Loch Ness Monster ranks 3rd. Alpengeist is 2nd though! I didn't know Verbolten was unreliable. Every time I go, all the roller coasters are up and running, or maybe I'm just lucky.
It's worth considering Viper's two brothers and what replaced them: Shockwave was replaced with a B&M flyer, and Great American Scream Machine was replaced with a B&M stand-up....so, uh, never mind. Put in an Axis!
Save viper! Never ridden it, but still.
I love Viper but the restraints suck. I'm short (5') and the over the shoulder just rams my head back and forth.
Viper is one of favorite coasters. I hope they save it.
At some point I would like to ride these old arrow looping coasters, that won’t be able to happen if they are removed ;(
I hope viper doesn't leave. It is one of my favorites at the park
I was at magic Mountian this weekend. It consistently had a 15 minute wait which was good to see. I agree, it does pull some of the strongest forces.
It’s sad that all of these Arrow coasters are getting removed, but I understand that they’re old and cost more to take care of than what it’s worth
An Axis coaster next to X2 = Magic Mountain world Domination
0:30 and Scream because of it being so far back at a dead end. Plus, I'm sure Sansei will allow Vekoma to build next gen coasters in the US as S&S already built several coasters in Asia.
Me: reads title
Also me: Nothing will
The replacement coaster should be called The Mongoose.
LOL
Six flags isnt that clever
Airtime Thrills Lol
Nothing is better than night time rides on el Toro in the back. Did that on Saturday last week and ohh you have to be there.
Given Six Flags' recent tendency to go for small, cheap designs, I don't think they'll replace Viper with anything really big.
Which is why it better not be removed anytime soon.
I think a Mack multi launch would fit well. Something like helix at Liseberg. It cost about 22 million in US dollars. You would have to make it more compact but it's definitely reasonable
I remember going there in the late 90s and the line to Viper was always packed. Sad to see such a great ride loose its popularity.
Why waste so much money , just replace the trains with new restraints. They should put a classic antique car ride to go over bridges and around all that cactus on a beautiful landscape.
It's like buying a birthday present for someone who already has everything.
I wouldn't go THAT far....Magic Mountain doesn't have A GIGA OR FULL CIRCUIT STRATA.....BUT, as LONG AS it is under the Shi*...... I mean, Sux.......DAMMIT......I MEEEAAAN....Six Flags banner, that will never happen.
@@seanlewis1148 Right. They aren't going to go big. (and let's be honest, stratas aren't flying off the shelves) They've got similar experiences for every option in the video except a raptor or water coaster, but I don't feel those are great replacements. They probably wouldn't get me to visit anymore than I already do.
I really hope this never closes, maybe changing the pacing or something would help for the second half. I feel like simply adding new colours or touch ups will bring much more attention to it, when I wasn’t an enthusiast the reasons why I usually wouldn’t go on it was bc of how far it was from the other rides, but now I make sure to ride it every time and I’ve brought other family members to it and it’s now one of their favourite coasters.
First coaster I rode at magic mountain, always made it a tradition to ride it first in every visit.
Viper isn’t going anywhere anytime soon especially coming off a pandemic stricken season.
the title freaked me out because i thought I missed some closure annoucement
This series is for the recently departed or for rides I think will be gone soon
Instead of removing the ride just fix it with smooth tracking.
My top 3 dream coasters for vipers spot:
1. B&M or Intamin Giga
2. Mack Hyper
3. Intamin Prefab
Something you can also consider is land over roaring rapids which they can simply build over. The park could also build over the entrance area.
Now a giga is just a wild dream. The west coast badly needs one. If six flags bought an Intamin giga I would go insane. It could maybe fit if it had some of the extensions I mentioned. A mack hyper could work really well here. It could have a curved drop like dc rivals and goes over the entrance. I would want it to focus on intensity just like rivals. Not a hyper looping coaster like the one in China. You got me intrigued of the idea of a prefab. Although highly unlikely, that would be an insane addition. It could have a layout kinda like el toro but more compact with a similar intensity level as el toro. An axis would be cool too but we still don’t know what they are fully capable of in terms of layout. I personally don’t want to see a dive coaster. They just don’t look that exciting. Too slow paced and very poor pacing. Except it would draw in the gp since they’re all over dive coasters. Imagine a hyper or fairly big vekoma being added. That could make for a fantastic ride. And they’re much cheaper compared to larger coaster manufacturers. It could have a lot of potential. So yeah those are my thoughts.
Don’t replace it. This is a great coaster and the best of its kind. If anything maybe get new trains like the blue hawk at six flags over Georgia or steel curtain at Kenny wood. The ride itself MUST stay.
Or have RMC replace the track in Viper.
Can we just all appreciate arrow for making the coolest lift hill sounds ever?
That ride was fun, I rode it twice in July last year and I enjoyed it
Another great idea for a replacement is S&S's new looping coaster (like Steel Curtain at Kennywood). It could at least take the North American inversion record, but the high pricing and maintenance issues can really be a turn-down point.
Viper is the ride that made me love coasters. May not be a perfect ride with all the coaster advancements in the last 30 years and may not nearly be the best ride at SFMM but it's got a grit I can never get enough of. RIP to my best friend to who took me to Six Flags once because he had an extra ticket. I hadn't been on serious coasters before so he thought I would be a lightweight. I made him go on Viper four times in a row and he was the one begging for mercy! I've got my own season pass this year and I'm going to rider Viper as much as possible before MM phases it out.
Kinda Lowkey want a wing coaster
Well that's unlikely bcuz Six Flags hasn't worked with B&M in a long time
I think Taylor suggested a wing that would thread the Full Throttle loop a few years ago. it’s a dream, but that would be perfect.
@@ducksfan_1149 but where would you fit the rest of the layout? Unless you remove gold rusher
CrazyDash Yt like I said, it’s a pipe dream.
It would fit perfectly, especially since there aren’t any wing coasters on the west coast
1. Sell Goliath for scraps
2. Put a Mack hyper in Goliath’s plot
3. Retire Vyper, but add a memorial
4. Please just put a Intiman prefab there SF.
I love Viper. I would love to see it thrive as long as possible. I was sad to see Great American Scream Machine go. Literally shed a tear. But I really do believe the best idea out of these would be that last one, the Vekoma looping blitz. Imagine “Viper 2.0” basically. Perhaps a somewhat similar yet more modern layout. Having the height with many inversions (especially at least one tall vertical loop for the memory) and a bunch of forceful turns and air hills here abs there. That’d be lit!!
I LOVE Viper! I’ve only been to MM twice. The first time I rode it was in like 2015 3rd car (I’m a back rower), and they had all the trims on so I wasn’t impressed. However, I got to go back November 2019, and it was hauling! Barely any mid course brakes, no head banging, and no line. Rode it like 4 times.
I love viper and all their other arrow creations. But i think a nice replacement for viper would be like an upgraded steel curtain model with maybe 10 inverts so they can grab a new record. It seems the best since vipers thing was mostly inversions. But if they scrap viper they'll still need to find a 20th coaster.
0:00 - 0:02
me: *gets flashbacks to the headbang trauma*
I was actually working on a ride in no limits for the spot years ago; my usual fashion it's the most massive thing that could fit there (coughbluesnake) and I highly doubt the park would ever add something like it, but it definitely feels like a worthy replacement... I should really finish it..
I’m sure no one would agree with me but I think another, more modern ride like Ninja would be cool, it wouldn’t have to be in Vipers spot, since it would be smaller.
Hun, I hope you don't mean Ninja at the same park. That ride is even older than Viper by 2 years. 😅 Definitely not modern by any means. It was always my go-to as a kid when I needed a break from the more intense coasters.
@@MidnightSonnet I mean a new version of ninja. improved
@@awamericanhistory6173 imo, Ninja doesn't really need an upgrade, since it's still super smooth and fun. It's only had one or two big accidents in its lifetime, which is impressive considering its design. But who knows what the future holds for it. I'll miss it if it ever gets dismantled or changed completely.
Viper, on the other hand, desperately needs to be upgraded. It's such a painful coaster to ride now.
The biggest hole in the lineup of magic mountain is floater airtime. They have so many rides that focus on aggressive inversions and ejector airtime but nothing thrilling but graceful. They could totally fit the most unique B&M hyper to date if they want to spend the money on it. Now that we have real reason to believe the Knott's giga is a real possibility, they are going to need another investment soon. They could run the lift hill similar to viper now, then turnaround and run the hyper out and back behind revolution. Dominator at Carowinds fits between revolution and the service road behind it. Then they have all the space where viper is now to add a good twister ending to the hyper. They could even have the first traditional hyper to have an inverting twister section if they wanted something to make it more marketable. This may be a pipe dream, but it is totally possible and may be warranted with the competition in the surrounding areas.
Viper just needs new trains
There's now a dive coaster at fiesta tx..2022..first one in six flags chain I'm being told. I can't wait to make my way to San Antonio..
Although it's 188 ft tall, it looks taller than Goliath for some reason......
With Viper on a hill and Goliath being at one of the lowest points in the park, Viper stands at a good 50 feet higher in the skyline.
I love viper but one day it will leave us believe it or not
Chris: We keep things realistic here
Also Chris: intamin prefab
B&M 4D