Star Trek Picard Initial Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Here are my thoughts on the first few episodes of the new Star Trek Picard show. Consider doing something better with your time before watching it.
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"I'm just watching because it has Star Trek in the title" - Junkball
yeah, pretty much nailed it.
LMAO. I was thinking the same when heard him say that!!!
"I dont want to put my old friends at risk." "I'll instead find some random people to die for me."
His old friends would sacrifice themselves and everything in their lives whatever the cause, for the sake of old times.
Now, on the other hand, he's at least found some people that join in because it suits them, they think it's a good idea and they don't have that much to lose.
It would be career/political suicide for his old friends to help in any overt way. Episode 3 makes that clear given what happened to Raffi, while in episode 2 it makes no sense.
Wow, I said those exact words out loud during the episode. In Norwegian, but still. It's a dangerous mission and the people he takes along could get hurt or even killed. He needs someone he trusts and knows. Not some complete strangers with god knows what skills or qualities. Makes no sense.
@@dokols makes a lot of sense Honestly. He doesn't want to call in favors to have his friends throw away their lives
Data died out of loyalty to him. I don’t think he wants to relive it.
Watching this show is like watching a dear friend, while he takes his final dying breath.
@Mal Contender "We're gathered here today to lay Jean Luc to rest and remind everyone that there's only 4 lights"
Ok boomer
I think one of the things that could really help the show is if they actually explain the toll that the dominion war had on the federation and why its a lot more militaristic now.
That's a great point
I guess in the end Admiral Layton got his wish.
I read somewhere on reddit that "The Dominion won the war" because Starfleet/Federation ended up sacrificing its freedoms for the sense of "security," when in reality Starfleet is still vulnerable and this Romulan plot (idea wise, not literal story plot) exposes that. They STILL can't see what's right under their noses.
Plus, I'd imagine the core Federation worlds would be scared if member planets threatened to pull out so relatively soon after the entire Federation was nearly destroyed from the outside.
Nothing can save this show, the Viacom overlords will have to use red matter in the next Star Trek pilot to create a blackhole and prevent the events of Star Trek 2009 from happening. If you want Patrick Stewart just right him a nice check, he's obviously accepting any role in his old age long as he gets $$$.
@@juliangomez-fuentes869 well you got it all figured out
This critique was a breath of fresh air in the fandom.
- highlighted positives and negatives
- wasn't overly emotional on thoughts
- stuck to what the show actually presented rather than interpreting what they "think" the production team is doing and/or highlighting behind-the-scene rumors
- not a single JJ Abrams jab (because it's been done to death for years)
- still retained the Junkball Media humor you'd expect
Nice video, sir.
Agreed, this video is only about Junkball Media initial thoughts on the show in a fun manner were you can tell he welcomes discussion...he didn't try use this platform to indict modern trek in general.
Honestly his opinions on the show could have been completely negative and it likely would just as insightful and friendly as this one
Agreed. I look forward to further installments.
_ElijahRock92_
Not to take away from this video, which is great, but what you're describing exists in abundance already. Feel free to check out channels like *Ketwolski, Subspace Transmissions, Irish Trekkie, Trekspertise, Tex-Trek, Kertrats, The Oldest Nerd, Starfleet Boy* and my very own for balanced, well thought out content.
It's very sad that most people on RUclips seem to only be aware of the ridiculous fear mongering, hate instigating, rumor spreading channels when so much good content exists out there...
Agreed, this video is still getting downvoted like crazy over on /r/startrek though lol
camwow13 why’s that?
Because of the serialised storytelling, I don't see a high "re-watch" factor for ST:PIC or ST:DISCO like I would any of the prior series. I can't just pick up anywhere for 45 minutes of entertainment.
Star Trek comes from a time of the "great bright Future". Now we live in that cluster f*ck "jason bourne world". And thats the problem whit all new scifi stuff out there. Yeah i know .. some would say .. that old fasion wont work anymore.. but i want it back .. i want a bright future..
The worst part is, shows like The Orville and how they do with ratings prove that the people who say old fashioned bright futures won’t work anymore are just plain wrong.
If anything, we need exactly the kind of sci fi stuff that was the "old stuff" nowadays. Our world and societies lack positive utopias and imaginations as well as motivation to achieve a better life. There's cynicism and acceptance for corruption and destruction everywhere instead and even in fiction. It's quite symptomatic for our times that an utopia like Star Trek's federation is now being rewritten as evil, corrupted too and that there's now commercials, consumerism and greed in Star Trek's earth society too. But I guess that's what happens when people like Jeff Bezos decide about our futures - both the fictional and the real ones.
Preach. And I think the old fashioned stuff WOULD work. After Barclay was enhanced by the Cytherian probe in "the Nth Degree," Picard said the knowledge they received from the Cytherians would take Federation scholars decades to unravel. Get cracking.
And if creators insist on darker themes, you can do intense, suspenseful sci-fi in a cool way (Shadows in B5, Xindi arc in Enterprise, etc. etc.)
@@randyrhoades8751
the TNGdiditallbef'orville had declining ratings and had to go to streaming to be saved
@@SC-mq1eh Orville's second season was a significant spike in ratings viewership and gradually increased around the mid-season and got surprisingly great ratings in it's last four episodes alone. The only time the show had bad ratings was in season 1 when the show was poorly marketed as a Star Trek Parody alone. They only went to Hulu because of the Disney buyout of FOX, not because it was declining in ratings.
For me, episode three kinda jumped the shark. JL! Picard is not a chummy Captain and that came off seriously forced. You nailed it in the video. Everyone making Star Trek these days knows nothing about the history or canon and they also do not care. I will keep watching, but only because I have watched every Trek iteration so far.
I don't really get this criticism. Picard had an Arc over TNG, then after that he had 5 more years of development with the same crew after opening up that we only saw a little of, then there was a huge time skip, but we can see that he's developed a lot, especially in Absolute Candor where he directly addresses how he's grown more used to children and such and changed and now he's at a end for his arc which is more open. I don't feel like that's ignoring canon at all, it's building on it. Ignoring it would have him being as closed off as before.
"They don't understand the Star Trek universe." Yeah, that pretty much nailed it.
Star Trek never really had outright villains on the shows? I'd like to present Gul Dukat. Sure he was better written. But he was most definitely a villain. Perhaps the greatest Star Trek villain ever written/acted.
But he wound up saving Cardassia with Damar at the end. So again, villains are usually more nuanced in Trek. but Nero, Shinzon, Khan, Admiral Dougherty. Most movies had villains but the TV show had antagonists.
Dukat was a villain for sure, but he also had so many more qualities. Great character and actor too.
The borg was perhaps the villain in the TNG era. This was especially true prior to Voyager. They maintained a great deal of mystery and simple intractable motive in TNG and even in First Contact. Voyager killed their mystique and put the borg on par with beard curling megalomaniacs instead of the unnatural force of nature that they were.
@@irreview Dukat didn't save Cardassia??? Garak helped save Cardassia with Damar. Dukat tried to destroy the Wormhole Prophets with Kai Win.
I'd say they're _the_ greatest TV villain ever written/acted...followed by Gustavo Fring.
Captain Picard aged much better here than how he aged in the TNG finale.
Well life is like that, a lot better in real life.
They did somewhat hint at his irumodic syndrome setting in though
@@Yateball it bothered me they didn't outright say it, since Picard asked Crusher if he'll get Irumodic syndrome in the present.. even though that "present" was erased too, he'd still know. I expected him to say "... it's Irumodic syndrome, isn't it?" to his doctor friend, not just "what is it???". I dunno. It's a little thing but it bugged me, after all the other references to the previous stuff, to just do standard TV dramatic tension even though so many of the viewers know about Irumodic in the finale?
The Enterprise D didn't.
@@jhmcd2 she's dead Jim. Blown to bits in Star Trek Generation, The saucer section was damaged after the crash on Veridian III.
Geordi should be there. He was Data’s closest friends and was extremely familiar with how his brain works. Worf is also a logical choice to go to get a ship... This show only knows surface level Trek and as usual they miss better story and characters choices because of this.
good recap - if the show was free i would give it a stab but paying for bad trek is not likely
Yup. Not worth it. Maybe get a free trial later this year once all the episodes are out... but I’ve had to force myself to watch episodes 2 & 3 because overall the show just isn’t enjoyable. It feels like work.
I hope you’ll give us your thoughts now after this while miserable project is finished. I didn’t think I could dislike a new ST show more than I disliked STD, but boy was I wrong.
Agreed. There's nothing inherently Trek about this show; it's got the veneer of one in some parts, but the heart is missing. Ironic for a show about Picard. #meta #deepcut #thatsmetatoo
I thought Season 1 was bad, but season _2_ was so much worse.
That was a very fair and balanced review of this new star trek show so far.
I think it would be fun ifyou did the same for the older show as well. Review the first few eps and give the low down on what you think they got right or wrong.
I like Picard so far but the episodes have been declining in quality and there's too many little things that make no sense that aren't explained. Last we saw the Romulans helped us during the dominion war and at the end of nemesis the Romulans wanted to have formal talks with the federation.
Totally agree about the show being too melodramatic at times. It's very Discovery-ish like that. Someone is always on the verge of tears or yelling. There also seems to be constant music but that's a minor thing. I'm still hopeful that the show will turn out great but I think a lot of it is going to come down to how well they payoff the story. Also, there's money on earth now and people work crappy jobs they hate? 🤷🏻
The constant music trying to set the tone for each scene is very irritating
There's nothing to assume that there's money on earth as a necessity now. But we've seen humans like Rios before who choose to live in a way that requires money (Kassidy Yates for example).
Wrong last we saw of the original timeline is Romulus exploded and Ambassador Spock of the Federation was too late to prevent it after he promised he would. People forget JJ's Star Trek starts in the original timeline then the Kelvin timeline is created when Spock and Nero go back in time. So when you consider 1) the Federation promised to evacuate the Romulans then pulled out of that promise. 2) Then a Federation Ambassador promised to stop the destruction of Romulus and he failed it makes perfect sense for some Romulans to be anti-Federation again.
@@timothy2128 You're correct and also need to remember that the Romulans are an empire, with each new leader comes a new relationship with the Federation.
That's modern sci-fi for you. Explore strange new worlds? Concepts? Nah, indulge in all the stupid pettiness of the present day.
So far, I am enjoying Star Trek Picard enough to keep watching. However, it often does not FEEL right. Maybe I am a dinosaur, maybe I should not mix watching Picard with rewatching TNG for the first time in HD, I don't know. It comes down to this: All the previous incarnations of Star Trek from TOS to (to a lesser degree) ENT showed me a future I would like to LIVE in. JJ-Trek, Discovery and so far Picard do not.
seemed like you were kind of digging deep for positives.
I enjoyed this. Most people just stand on the "It does nothing wrong!" or "It's not Trek!" sides of things and dig in their heels.
But you take the good with the bad, and hope for the best.
You're a credit to our fandom, and I look forward to more of your amazing content!
Cheers!
"But you take the good with the bad, and hope for the best."
Much like every iteration of star trek, ever :)
Fair-minded reasonableness is needed more than ever, but it seems a lot of the fandom have abandoned core Trek principles.
You are the best commentator of any Star Trek-oriented videos out there. I've been following you for years and you never fail to thoroughly entertain. Thanks for your continued efforts.
Can we talk about the constant references to God in a universe that's supposed to have largely moved beyond religion?
so the more i hear about the production behind this show the more i wonder just how it got made.
this is from an interview Marina Sirtis did for the show
[When Marina Sirtis flew to Hollywood to film her scenes for Star Trek: Picard, she realized the wardrobe department had not prepared her Next Generation costume. Luckily, she kept it from the previous movie.
“I called and I said, ‘You do know that I wore a wig and black contact lenses,’” Sirtis said. “They went, ‘What?’ I was like, ‘Do you know what? I think I stole them so I think I have them. So let’s just get the contact lenses cleaned because they’ve been sitting in a lens case for 15 years, and I have the wig.’”
]
i do find it really funny that she took souvenirs from her work and its that, that saved the production, but the and that fact that a lot of the people we see in star trek uniforms are wearing their own stuff they brought with them makes my head spin.
That is hilarious. And typical.
Dude, I love your reviews SO MUCH. The music, your tone, everything is fantastic.
Dude your humor in these trekscapades is TOO ON POINT.
Carry on number 1
My feelings about Picard basically haven't changed since its announcement, I'm still cautiously optimistic.
No, Darf.
@@KnightRaymund Will you accept you were wrong when I tell you told you so?
@ When you get cynisism out of bad experiences you deny yourself the opportunity to give it a thought how things coul've gone better.
But yeah, when it comes to entertainment we have not that much of a say... Or do we?
I think even Discovery's season 2 shows, that they listen to criticism and are open for changes into the right direction.
@ well okay. It probably doesn't hinder people to learn, but it sure does influence, what conclusions one draws out of experiences...
My problem with cynisism is basically, that I think it does take away a lot of life quality. You could be optimistic, yet still uphold a realistic and critical mind. I think, when you close your heart, life could get a bit colourless.
Sure, when you are being open hearted and minded you risk, being hurt almost every day, but otherwhise, I think you would deny yourself a chance, to influence things for the better in an active way.
I think it's ok to judge a show after 3 episodes if it only contains out of 10.
you make the best Star Trek videos bud!! I've been glued to your channel for days
I actually felt like the Federation in deed acted waayyyyy out of character, after Mars was attacked.
So did Starfleet. But to be honest, Picard is with us there. He reacted to that kind of situation, how I probably would as a proud member of Starfleet, in true spirit of the Federation.
The question now is: Where is the Federation? And are the worms back, that infected the Admiralty in early TNG?
But why did it make it seem like he was alone? Surely there would have been lots of supporters of a humanitarian mission despite Mars being attacked. I feel like the politics are being made to mirror our own too much and ignoring the idea that this is supposed to be a more enlightened version of humanity.
I forgot who made the video but there is a really good one showing that Starfleet actually acted quite accurately. We just remember them like heroes
It's disappointing that Federation leadership (and many topbrass Starfleet) were assholes to create drama, but Star Trek was always political and UFP always had corrupt officials (ie. the end of the Cold War allegory and Starfleet assassins in The Undiscovered Country).
The whole worm thing annoyed me. These things had infested all the Federation top brass and they had probably been at it for months, who knows how much of Starfleet they had corrupted. And then the whole conflict is solved in literally 4 minutes.
The 'fuck the Romulans' thing does seem a bit extreme. On the other hand, we've had plenty of dick admirals before. And Starfleet has been shown to give up a lot for the sake of peace. Throwing the Maquis to the wolves and how they handled the Cardassians in general, and other things. Their willingness to watch species die in the name of the Prime Directive.
The sunglasses bothered me. but the vaping and cigar smoking bugged the hell out of me! It feels like it's trying to be too contemporary in places
@Flekk Bone Gnawer Actual humans?
I hate “JL” with every fibre of my being.
Raffy using a vape was so classy.
Considering we're about to ban flavored Vapes in this century.
It's a solid vape, that looks like a liquid vape! The marvels of miniaturisation.
And crazy inefficient. All addicts should be mainljning with hyposprays, the way McCoy did it.
Good, fair review. I kinda agree. Also when you have the time I'd welcome more videos from you. Yours and certifiably ingame are my favorite trek channels.
I think I disagree somewhat on the understanding of the Federation by the writers. Really think about where the Federation was at the end of the DS9 era. After decades of mostly peace, they were confronted with the Borg, and while still recovering, they get hit by The Dominion War, which they almost lost. I think at the era they're showing the supernova to have occurred, Federation resources would have already been stretched thin. To lose an entire fleet would be a pretty hard blow, to an organization that has already taken some pretty big blows.
Yeah, but planetary evacuations have been established as pretty much a routine operation.
from a narrative perspective I can understand this logic. But from a thematic perspective I personally can’t accept it.
Okay, after Episode 5, I really just want to travel to the 32nd century, when Discovery finally (hopefully) will restore the federation after it's been gone for at least 700 hundred years, because Picard clearly shows us how everything is going to s*** xD
Or better, yet, to the 2260s when Kirk's Enterprise was just exploring random planets, with Kirk kissing the odd alien woman in skimpy dresses or Spock being wise and awesome before having an episode where he struggles with his emotions. And Bones always "Damn it, Jim"-ing. Star Trek has changed sooo much in its fifty year history. While I like Disco, I think I might actually dislike Picard. I hope it's just the valley of TNG Season 1 before the steep mountain o quality of TNG Season 4. However, honestly, without bashing him, I just think Alex Kurtzmann isn't the right person for this franchise. He doesn't seem to have a passion for it, he also doesn't seem to be interested into good science fiction, not that Star Trek ever was hard sci-fi or needs to be as accurate as The Expanse, but at least it tried to marry the pulpy adventures of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers to the deeper socio-critical science fiction of novels and The Twilight Zone. So far, Picard and to a lesser degree Discovery is science fiction rom someone whose sole exposure to sci fi seem to have been Star Wars and Star Trek movies.
How hasn't this channel blown up?! I feel like I've found a gem!
"Ow, my foot!" Dead!
I hope Picard’s voice gets stronger in future episodes. When I’ve watched Patrick Stewart on talk shows promoting ST:P his voice is stronger.
I think it’s a performance decision that I wish they’ll change. He’s an 80 year old playing a 95 year old, but I would still like Picard to have a stronger voice.
"the show could blossom into something great"......yeah...it didn't. I really wish it had.
Yep, you summed up my feelings perfectly. Fingers crossed that it will improve!
Yeah, you nailed that pretty much. Whenever Picard interacts with someone the scene becomes instantly more believable just because of the way Sir Patrick handles it. The overacting without him is just silly. And I couldn't agree more about the storytelling, it is a bit better than ST:D ... but that only means it's not complete trash in every aspect. I hope it picks up a bit now that we are in space. We'll see.
01:55
If I were to ever discover that I was a synthetic implanted with falsified memories, I want Sir Patrick Stewart to give me the horrifying news.
I want to have Harrison Ford to tell me the news.
I'd want TMBG to enlighten me by means of a song.
I feel the same way mr Junkball. I was hoping this was something my wife (total star trek noob) and I could enjoy watching together, she actually made it a fair wait through Discovery with me. But by the end of Episode 2 I was looking at my phone for like 10 minutes and I looked up and said "I don't even know what's going on" and she said "yeah, you're gonna have to watch this your self". I then totally forgot that Episode 3 even aired... Grrr. I want non serialized Star Trek back!
Exact same... exact same.
You explained pretty much why I'm still uncertain about the show. I feel like I'm still watching it because it's the Picard Show, and not because I'm terribly interested in what's happening. It's missing a lot of the classic Trek mystery, which doesn't mean it's bad necessarily - it just is something different that in my opinion hasn't paid off yet.
I hope it does in the future! Patrick Stewart is absolutely killing it on screen, I'm completely enthralled with every line.
Pleeeaase keep doing these reviews! So awesome! Totally agree with what you are saying so far. Thanks!
I love this show so far, and I’ve been a fan of Trek since the 70s. It’s a lot of fun, and hits the Star Trek mark a million times better than STD. I’m into it. But yeah, you’re right in that we don’t really know yet as it’s only 3 episodes in. We’ll have to wait and see.
It really is terrifying to think. TNG was a golden age of humanity's relationship to AI. With Data being a kind a gentle soul, unlike Lore who was sadistic and B4 who was incapable of knowing right and wrong. And then Trek grows up, realizing that AI is just as dangerous as genetic engineering, already banned in the Federation since the Earth eugenic wars in the 1990s. So now we're in Isaac Asimov, duplicitous robot country with humans as a master race in a slave robot society. And all the moral implications of enslaving robots as sentient beings.
I gotta say I like Picard - whilst it has its weeknesses, that you rightfully pointed out, I like the general concept of it.
And I am a sucker for "old heros assembles a rag tag team of friends & companions" story's, and this is what this is at the moment and I do enjoy it for now, I hope it finds its way when the plot actually develops and everybody is established.
Never trust the opinion of anyone who says "whilst".
@@joeldb whomever should have reason to distrust the writerly types, who are generally harmless whilst also, truthfully, laying on the verbiage perhaps a smidge too much.... I forgot where I'm going with this, I'm just kidding around, etc etc
@@joeldb English is my second language, it's just something I picked up and thought it sounded fancy :'D
Please tell me if that cooking book has a receipt for those weird cube-shaped pieces of food from the TOS era. I'm curious what those things are. Were they tasty? Were they dehydrated astronaut ice creme? Was it just a weird "space prop" to use for "space food"?
Instead of replicators those episodes had space rations. Vitamin cubes one can imagine
Been waiting for this vid!
The Federation being synonymous with Earth or humans isn’t this show’s fault. If anything, this show has probably widen the diversity of Federation civilian life more and from the looks of it, will do so later. Every single Star Trek series and movie has focused almost entirely on Earth being THE most important thing in the Federation. The President, Council, Starfleet, and almost everything else important to it is there. I don’t agree with other negative points, mostly because some of them aren’t really set in stone. Also, the Admiral was pissed at Picard because he had just dissed Starfleet in public and then went to ask for help as if nothing had happened. But she says so that despite her anger at Picard, she wanted to at least consider the possibility that Picard might’ve been right. I don’t see why that’s difficult to believe when we’ve seen that drama with Admirals play out in several Trek shows and movies.
The mystery isn’t who the main antagonist are (although it’s not clear if it truly is the Romulans), but what Dahj and Soji truly are and episode 3 even hinted that there’s more to them than just being Androids that spook Romulans. These first three episodes were described as the pilot for the series’ main plot, so there’s bound to be tons of other mysteries and one big one that is yet to even fully present itself.
EDIT: I do agree about Raffi though. Her introduction was ROUGH, but it got better towards the end and on a second viewing (maybe because I was ready for it, lol).
In other words you shoot lasers from your nipples, don't you?
Yea the Federation has always been Earth centric to the point the Klingons called them out on it Star Trek VI
"Inalien... If only you could hear yourselves? 'Human rights.' Why the very name is racist. The Federation is no more than a 'homo sapiens' only club."
~Azetbur
amazedsatsuma exactly. That’s where I think this review turned nitpicky. This isn’t the show’s problem at all. It’s a Star Trek problem that has actually been made a plot point.
I agree with a lot of his criticisms, but I also think he missed the part where a significant portion of Federation world basically said 'The Romulans? Nah, if you help them we're out"
@@phong85 it goes against the federation charter, they wouldn't do it. the writers are ignoring what the federation is so they can make the 'america' analogue the evil bad guy because they hate america
Loving the show! And this channel!
Great video, glad to see you producing content.
I would like to say though that your assessment of Eart as simply a single member plannet of the federation was pretty under stated.
Earth, as far as I can tell, is the defacto capital of the Federation, and the location of Star Fleet Headquarters. The Sol system is Sector 001. Mars was also the location of the Utopia Plantia yards, where all the best ships (😁) were built.
The melodramatic part is for younger people who seem to tend more to openly displayed and dramatic emotion. In TNG when someone died sometimes poeple just looked at each other in horror and the audience knew that there is a big emotional impact happening.
Bored with the series already. Just looking forward to more reviews like these!
I interpreted the whole "we couldn't let the Federation implode"-thing differently. Sounded to me like too many of the species were concerned that letting a billion or so Romulans settle within the Federation was more of an invasion than a rescue.
Which isn't too far out for me. A lot of the species had negative experiences with the Romulans and as the Romulans are very secretive and always seem to be plotting against someone, letting them settle within Federation territory actually sounds like a REALLY bad idea.
And this might not be what Starfleet would have wanted, or the top of the Federation government, but remember that we saw was the "ideal Federation" in Next Gen, with the flagship's crew as our main characters...and then got a glimpse at the Federation when it's not the finest of finest in DS9... where we saw more regular people with more regular views and fears...
so I'd guess there would be a good chunk of people in Starfleet and at the political top who'd want to do the right thing, but then there are billions of others who are just too afraid of the Romulans sitting in their backyard. That works for me.
That was what I got from it as well. Essentially, it's Star Trek's take on the refugee crisis and most of the federation citizens are apprehensive about the Romulans. Given the history I'd say that's at the very least understandable. And considering the federation's reaction to the Klingons in Star Trek 6 it's not entirely new either. So even if there are member worlds with a majority in favor of helping the Romulans, given there appears to be a single federal government and a single military entity (which is Starfleet, more or less), their vote wouldn't make a difference. Sounds entirely plausible to me. Anyone other than Starfleet conducting a rescue mission on their own would support illegal immigration and thus be a criminal. Maybe we'll see people still trying to save as many Romulan refugees as possible in future episodes or seasons. Who knows? So far, I really enjoy that aspect about it. But I agree on the antagonists, though. They feel so goofy...
@@ft4709 yeah, the "antagonists"....there were moments where I was wondering if I was supposed to be laughing, because they were so comical in their behaviour
Same.
That’s how I see it too. Even in TNG there are episodes which exist to show us we must remain vigilant at all times to prevent paranoia, nationalism, and general hatred from taking over. The averted rescue was driven by forces too big for Picard to face down in 45 minutes.
There's no reason they would have had to settle in Federation space, though. Romulans have a fairly substantial empire. (Then again, the supernova and evacuation thing are nonsense in the first place, so nothing in this universe really makes sense anyway.)
I was looking forward to this!
Great video JB!
The shuttles you mentioned. So we are what, 20yrs into the future, past Nemesis and they use shuttles from Discovery era, and in the shipyard around Mars, they are building ships that were also in Discovery era. So the Federation regressed and are building ships that over 150yrs old? The other issue I have is why are the people on the show all talking in 21st slang? Dude? Cursing? When in Star Trek 4 it was set that cursing was something from the 21st century and they no longer Curse. And Vaping? Really? There are just so many more that is eye sores and so over the top that I can not get into the show due to all the issues. And yes, man the writing is so bad. But the Cursing now has made it that this show, unlike all the past shows, is NOT family-friendly. MY kids can not watch this crap now. So they will grow up with the original Trek through 2005. + all the movies. :)
If Discovery tech was from Section 31, only now would it be released to Starfleet, after the Borg and the Dominion War, and the Synth Attack. Under the guise of "Defending the Federation by any means necessary."
@@animation1234111 : That's just like the argument Harve Bennet had with Gene Roddenberry over the No Smoking signs on the Enterprise bridge! He said that people have been smoking for hundreds of years so they'll probably be doing it 200 years from now.
Obviously, vaping is relatively new, so it wouldn't exist in older Trek because we had less of an idea of what the future would be like in 1966 or 1987. It's an inherent problem of trying to write about the future as you move into the future. You can either ignore contemporary additions to culture and have a future that looks dated or refine your vision of the future and piss off purists.
Just weird to see Allison Pill/Kim Pine in this series. Scott Pilgrim was a while ago.
Agreed. She will always be the drummer in my book.
HOLY SHIT. I knew there was something familiar about her! 💣
Agreed, she's got such a unique face (in a good way), that I can't see her any other way!
WE ARE SEX-BOB-OMB!!
Thanks for your thoughts !
I support this RUclipsr's attitude. He clearly likes Star Trek, yet he wants to confront his current feelings toward this show... YET, he reserves his final judgement for later, which is something not everyone does nowadays. Keep it up!
I really liked the first episode, but the second and third just spun their wheels.
Same here. It reminded me of older Trek, specifically The Search for Spock and The Undiscovered Country. I actually thought it would be a decent show, then the other episodes came.
I don't get why the Romulans are refugees. Okay so Romulus got taken out by their Star. But they've got a huge empire spanning dozens of worlds, wtf?
Possibly because a super nova would encompass a minimum of 50 light years, destroying everything in its wake by way of nuclear fallout. Maybe.....
@@captainrednek9301 I guess... I think it would have been more interesting to write a show of a Romulan civil war, maybe because of a power vacuum and the Federation trying to get involved or involved in the same capacity as the Klingon civil war. Maybe have one side backed by the Breen. There's a lot we don't know about the Breen in the shows.
@@CRIMI0N Breen work best as a mystery race. They are basically a gag-race in DS9 and IMHO I think they should stay that way. It's like that Boba Fett movie, more lore is not gonna make the character more interesting. That is why I respect the Mandelorian, cause they made sufficient effort to keep Boba that jerk that got himself caught in the Sarlak pit, instead of trying to make him some deity.
@@Tuning3434 I was just trying to think of another major power in the Star Trek universe that could back a side in this rhetorical civil war. The Breen popped into my head first.
Tuning3434 No, the Breen were a copy of the Boushh costume, not the Boba Fett one. ;)
“There are new faces which appear natural. Life is a series of hellos and goodbyes and these just happen to be the people in his life at this point.” Come for the Star Trek, leave with one of the most philosophical and accurate reflections I have heard in a long while.
The madlad strikes back once more
I'll just go watch Wrath of Khan
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at least thankfully there been playing all the deep space 9 reruns, these new star trek shows arent even worth pirating
Agreed...although right now I’m rewatching TNG! Uggh, Picard is distasteful to the characters of TNG, specifically PICARD!
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man i been watching those DS9 reruns - kiras shoulder pad are HUGE!! was she a former terrorist and ex NFL linebacker??
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something changed or happen to picard that i missed?
The problem with Star Trek: Picard is that it is not Star Trek.
I'm curious, what is your opinion on The Expanse? Have you watched it?
It really is the most Trek-like of shows after the end of Nemesis/TNG.
@@irreview I mean, it's amazing, but it really isn't Trek-like by any stretch of the imagination. The Orville probably takes that award.
I’ve seen a few episodes. Solid stuff.
Excellent review.
Love it when Junkball does a video i literally make something to eat just to watch everytime.
I smoke a bowl.
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Ya. In the flip side, I skip meals to finish the videos. Glad ya liked it.
Agreed on the storytelling. Sometimes I just wondered why some scenes existed, or they were sloppy and occasionally the acting was poor. The script is probably behind that. I've actually decided not to bother watching anymore.
Your solution to the Riker beard dilemma is inspired! 😁
you are spot on. Lets hope more of this resolves a bit. In the end its good to see Sir Pat and Co.
My biggest issue with modern Trek is, it just doesn't feel like Trek for a range of reasons, and sure, a lot of that is because it's not the 1960s or the 1990s any more. But I just don't think there is enough effort to connect modern Trek with what old Trek was.
Tbh, I think every Star Trek show feels different.
@@OrbinHD not necessarily, if you watch voyager, tng, ds9, they all have a common tone and feel to them, that's clearly missing from discovery and Picard. yes it's a different time, but whatever it is, something is missing from these new shows and the writers are terrible
The Orville manages to feel Treky enough, and it manages to do so in the 2010s (and at some point 20s) without even being Star Trek.
@@mikec3201 Nope, I think all those are different. I don't know how to tell you, but I see it like this: (TAS) - (TOS) - (TNG/VOY) - (DS9) - (PIC) - (DIS)
@@Huntracony I really like The Orville, but it also feels different to me. It feels like a TNG/ENT Parody. Close, but still different enough. (And thats a good thing, I don't want that anything feels the same)
4:39: In the future, Furries are so hated, that term has replaced 'F&%k' as a vulgarism.
They are truly a more enlighten people.
AWESOME REVIEW ! Is it possible that the Admiral referred to Picard as Captain because he might have been commanding a ship, so he retains the Captains title? I know if you are an ensign and you are running the ship, you automatically become Captain, is it the other way around as well?
I wish I could articulate my feelings on the series so far, so very... rationally.
Great job, keep it up!
i have to say, i really really like the show so far. it feels star trek. in a new way. which is good, cause as much as i like watching TNG, it can be very cheesy, bad acted, wrong-paced and sometimes even stupidly written, especially the first seasons. those traits are nothing i would have wanted to be re-done in the same way for 2020.
for me, PICARD works from the get go. patrick stewart is superb and relatable. the charakters are lively, and they all work great together (especially the relationship between Picard and his romulan care takers), something i totaly missed in discovery. the pacing is just the right mix between not over the top action and personal moments, there is enough stuff in there that lets me feel home, but at the same moment i embrace the new ideas.
to me, star trek always was about looking forward and going to new places (even if they are different) - so i absolutely love that it is a continuation, and not a prequel that throws the already established legacy of 700+ episodes (*cough* j.j. *cough* discovery) away.
i dont have a problem with the small logic holes, and ( 5:50 ) i think that romulan evacuation thing is more plausible than having brain eating bugs control the federation (TNG first season) or only throwing 2 hands full of old ships againnst the borg at wolf 359.
the story setup in the first three episodes has enough potential for many twists and new mysterys, and i really hope they can deliver and even top the beginning.
i cant wait to watch the next episodes. engage!
I agree. I like it that instead of just a one episode story that it is an ongoing series. I believe Voyager was supposed to be like that but they canned that idea and just went with what was safe. I would have wanted to see a series where there was conflict with the federation and Maquis officers. That they didn’t just combine and throw away their differences as Janeway wanted.
Anyway I like they way they are going with this.
@@HolySilverStrike yes, famously Jeri Taylor was super against it, and Berman was mostly against it, with only Piller and later Braga wanting to go further and do more? I think I've got that right? Braga almost had Year of Hell be a 4-parter or even longer, and Berman kept having him trim it - first to three, then two. Then resetting it all at the end was also Berman's idea.
Totally agree with you dude though I do love Discovery too :)
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VOY couldve been sooo good, if serialized, instead we got mostly a low cal TNG - it had its moments, but didnt live up to its potential or possibilities!
Very early! Only (already) 30% of season 1 is done! They finally got off earth... Ugh
true, that probably should have been trimmed down to 2 episodes.
Junkball Media is awesome!! Picard is good, not the best, but it's good. I hope that you will review the last episode. It would be great to see your feedback on the federation and Romulan fleet. It is a lot better than Discovery. They have to fix the narratives and get better actors to play their part like Anson Mount (Capt. Pike). It needs work, but hopefully, they can salvage the show.
Always like your videos. Great to see a balanced review and the series is not perfect but there are some good things there and great to see Patrick Stewart in action again.
Yea.. I kind of feel the same. The only reason I’m watching is because Star Trek is in the title.
I think the depiction of the Federation is probably the biggest detriment to the show, like you said the cooperation between planets should have given them ample resources to help the Romulans, and the strength that comes from that cooperation and unity is a BIG theme of the franchise. If the series ends with Picard saving the Federation from it's corruption and doubling down on the theme of unity, I could really get on board, but I kinda doubt that considering they're treating Picard like an unusually moral/thoughtful man, and not a man who is the product of Federation teachings.
I really like everyone's sweaters and jackets though. High point of the show imo.
14-18 years ago, when Picard led a fleet to save the romulans, the aftermath of the Dominion war was still very much a thing. Starfleet was running low on ships, people were scared all over the Federation. Starfleet and Federation was left changed for many many years after the war ended. When the shipyards on Mars were destroyed it caused more fear and possibily dissention between the members and the Federation reacted to avoid breaking off. To me this makes all sense. And its not true ... there were vilains in the shows : Q, Dukat, Kai Win, Khan, The Duras Sisters .... to name a few. Star Trek was always about politics and current era issues also.
I agree with your assessment of the federation post Dominion war and the reasoning it would have caused in many member planets. That part of the story resonates just fine with me. I also think the position of prominence which earth (and thus the Sol system) play in both Star Fleet and the Federation was sorely understated in this video. Earth is practically, if not actually (I'm fuzzy on this) the capital of the Federation and is definitely the Headquarters of Star Fleet. Rumblings of conflict that close to home would furthermore shake confidences in both organizations to the core post Dominion War and Battle of Sector 001.
In as much as I will always prefer the idealism of a possible utopia through peace and cooperation as represented in Trek which Roddenberry directly had a Hand in creating, I can equally recognize that both TOS and TNG were produ ts of more hopeful times.
As a result, and with this most immediately following the Galaxy changing events of the Dominion war, DS9 was How that Utopia deals with Cracks forming and eventually nearly being Broken, and Picard now is how on the end of all of that, do we get back to our proven ideal? So while I believe the execution is a bit off, the plot, especially as they frame it from Picard's particular sense of loss over Data, works for me.
[That took longer to say than I ecpected]
Regarding Villains, I think the point that was attempted was not so much that the shows didn't have Villains i.e. Antagonists, but more that the those who stood in opposition to either morality itself, or the protagonist's noble endeavor in the past were more fleshed out characters whom, though ultimately disagreeable, were in fact characters unto themselves. Here we just have Badies doing bad stuff..... because......why? Again, it's a matter of execution.
It would have been nice for the show to reference how the Dominion war drastically changed things for Starfleet. Just to give us some context. Otherwise it feels too contrived that the entirety Starfleet (not just Earth) has dramatically changed just because of one attack (or that attack was larger than was shown. Either way: context)
@@pills- : Oddly enough, that's basically what I dislike about Star Trek: The Motion Picture. They shove a whole bunch of new crap down your throat without any real context, then spend the rest of the movie lingering on the same phrases over and over again.
"It's... almost like a child!"
"Something something machine language!"
Like, if Data was on the ship he'd think for five minutes and be like "y0, dude, it's obviously a sentient computer that wants its mommy."
Like who are the Seventh Heaven dude and the bald lady and why should I care about them? Why is Spock talking to the old people? Fill us in, assholes!
excellent and honest review. Thank you
"I'm just watching because it has >>Star Trek
You're also part of the problem them! Stop supporting shit shows that way they'll fail, and they'll have to make good ones instead of ruining yet another beloved franchise.
On the topic of ROCKS - 0 out of 10. No rocks. May not watch again.
No ALF, either.
And by the way where were the remans?
What's a supernova that destroyed Romulus a surprise like in the movie 4 do they know about it for a while? Why couldn't the Romulan Empire saving settings? I have so many questions
Can't wait to hear your thoughts once the season has ended.
Funny how the first 3 episodes I was 100% with the series, the following 2 have changed my mind drastically, meaning the issues I could ignore or push aside from those opening 3 episoes are now starting to become bigger and not connecting right.
Must give the whole season a chance before I have my true thoughts but I am becoming very heartbroken with how they chose to show the 24th century. Feels very very different then the one we left behind, in almost EVERY way so far. Blah Blah Blah I have no blood sugar.....so Im grumpy. I'll youtube Kittens being jerks, thats always a win.
...Hehehehe cats are such jerks. Love 'em.
4:46 My takeaway was Admiral Clancy exploded at Picard wasn't because of the intel specifically, but that he felt entitled to lead the investigation. That is why she rely his concerns to Oh.
5:50 The synth attack on Mars wasn't the only reason, but more like final straw as several members likely having a long history of Romulan treachery wanted no part in aiding them...I recall her saying that 14 worlds threaten to leave the Federation. In order words, Picard used up a lot of clout putting the first rescue armada together and when it destroyed...Starfleet's brass decided to cut its losses than try again
2:14 This is what I like about your channel...when you nitpick on something it more about to poke fun at minor productions errors...you are clearly someone who want to keep star trek fun instead of trying to win argument over the internetz
...anyways, I personally been enjoying the series, but I agree the villains seem a bit flat right now...they don't have the charm like Marc Alaimo's Dukat or Ricardo Montalbán's Khan...through unlike you I seem to be interested in why the Zhat Vash hate synthetic life as this cabal seem to be created round the time the first Romulans left Vulcan...also I am curious if we will see Maddox return or not
Yeah, I found her reaction to be pretty understandable. He'd been retired for 20 years, then just waltzes in and expects them to hand him a ship and a crew days after he went on an extremely-publicized interview and bad-mouthed the federation and its leadership.
amazedsatsuma not just Picard wanting to lead the investigation but assuming he could be reinstated after a decade, after being kicked out for basically humiliating Starfleet back then, then publicly humiliating them again the day before, and thinking they would just give him any ship. The admiral had a lot of reasons to be astounded and angry, yet she ultimately pays attention to his claim, while dismissing his request. If Picard makes claims about major conspiracies you have to take it at least a little seriously, even if you don’t have to do things his way.
Highly agree! To expand on point two, I had just sort of assumed the "rescue armada" _was_ assembled of all the members' spare ships to get it done in time, and that's why it was a tempting target and a convincing final straw.
Kaitlyn L my take is there were Federation elements looking for an excuse to foil the rescue from the beginning but couldn’t act, knowing Starfleet has a mandate to help when asked. They jumped on the fleet destruction as a way to blow the rescue off with claims of insufficient resources (ships and personnel). The quick move on banning artificial life could have been sold as a way to avert the rescue, nothing more.
Did Picard saying there are enough moth ball ships get told those ships are needed for defense and can’t be spared?
@@Exploder11 absolutely, especially since Raffi said they could still do the evacuation if they scaled up the amount of Android workers. (I've got to wonder why not holograms, though? They seem quicker to produce en masse, even though they only operate in limited environments. Why not a crew of holograms with just one android for off-ship things?)
All the worlds that threatened to secede could have had something to do with the attack, absolutely.
wasnt sela,lore and Q kind of villians
Maybe Lore but not Sela or Q.
Q was more of a troll who was just bored lol
@@garycannon4644 Kinda, there was usually a hard learned lesson in his trolling... but then again I guess true trolls do the same heh
on timestamp 2:19 why does Picard's taxi shuttle look like the ones from the early star trek discovery seasons?(but just black and yellow!)
I've watched every star trek video you made in a week. Can I get a medal?
A good review with excellent analysis of the highs and lows.
As an old dog I'm wondering if the over-the-top melodrama and petulant characters is a generational thing. It reminds me unpleasantly of the Battlestar reboot and STD as well as the training I had to go through at work on managing millennials.
yep - you're just old. and the original BSG was a Star Wars kiddie show, daggit and all.
@@fredmdbud perhaps..but unlike the new version it was entertaining to watch.
That was a furry great review.
They have no idea that star fleet is just a navy. Not a governing authority. Though the federation being upset with the romulans makes a little sense due to a nearly 200 year old quarrel and most of the federation core leaders were involved in the first romulan war. Sadly it doesn't hold up as the federation is not a bunch of xenphiles
Music in the background was epic! What is it?
Episode 1 was stupid, episode 2 was decent episode 3 was mediocre but not terrible. My guess is show will be overall mediocre.
@Voltaic Fire I suppose truth be told I'd prefer just letting Star Trek rest in peace and have it inspire new things. But that ain't gonna happen worth too much money.
Voltaic Fire So, a bad/mediocre Star Trek show is better than nothing? What kind of logic is that?
Agreed.
I don't hate it like Discovery, but I don't like it enough to care either. The writing is just awful.
rochat after the decapitation I prefer discovery which is also shit
Great to hear your thoughts! I think I agree with almost everything you said. I would also add that I really hate that they threw away the fact that Geordi brought Data back in B4's body and he was captain of the Enterprise for a bit (in the comics). They could have just said he died (again) or disappeared or something. The writers seem VERY lazy. Why can't they pay a decent writer to actually do some research into Star Trek before writing a script?!?
I'd love to see your thoughts on The Orville.
heres mine - if you want to see a trek rerun done underwhelmingly, watch the b'orville - if you want to watch a trek rerun done well, watch a trek rerun