USS Pegasus Concept - Star Trek The Next Generation
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- A look at the unrealized concept for the USS Pegasus from Star Trek The Next Generation. The Pegasus was that ship fused with a rock. They ended up using an Oberth Class in the episode, but if they had a bit more time and money, we would've gotten a new class of starship.
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Hey, at least this one had a *REASON* to be filled with rocks!
lmao
Thats why this episode ROCKS!😁
@@CromeDomeOmega Stone cold truth right there.
I see what you did there
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We need EC Henry to model this Ambassador hatchback.
Was there ever an Excelsior hatchback? Or a Sovereign hatchback?
@@pwnmeisterage I think the Curry Type and Centaur type can be considered Excelsior's hatchback. Maybe Luna can be considered as Sovereign's, but the design doesn't look kitbashed enough.
I'll wait for the soft-top version.
You could commission him to do it
@@ArchOfWinter Curry-Class definetly looks like Excelsior-Class' compact version
(English is not my main language)
I think we should take a moment for all the rocks who's innocent trajectory's through life are tragically cut short by Red Shirts getting in their way.
Yellow Shirts actually ;3
too many apostrophes in your comment
XD
We should have a Rock-Awareness-Month to commemorate the countless Starfleet personnel that lost their lives to sediment, great music, Alcatraz and the best wrestler in the Delta Quadrant.
Replace that first comma with the word "to."
Now I'm wondering: if the Federation hooked some engines onto an asteroid to use it as a ship, if there are explosions on board, are the crew showered with kit parts?
I suggest next month.
Rocktober.
The theme song should be
"Let It Rock" by Kevin Rudolf and. Lil Wayne
@@Tony-lc5kc We Will Rock You is a pretty strong contender.
I wish we got this version of the Pegasus because every starship class that's bared the name USS Enterprise NCC-1701 has had a compact variant at some point like the Miranda class, the Centaur class, the Nebula class and the Luna class.
it would be a good idea for a design to add to STO as they have some other ships that are pretty much just this sort of idea of changing one part of the ship to make a new class
The Luna class is not a derivative of the Sovereign class, it's its own thing. There is as of yet know 'Miranda' equivalent for the Sovereign class.
@@sebastianbenner977 Yeah, but it's close enough for my taste.
Imagine spending your whole career in starfleet dodging explosions of rocks, then one day minding your own business and half of your body has materialised in side some. You would be pretty mad.
Space Rock: "I'm about to end this human's whole career."
That’s why you shouldn’t ever take your safety on a Starfleet ship for granite.
Star Trek engineers should keep everybody's transporter pattern in the memory banks. That way they can beam a new copy in each time a crew member dies. It should be an automatic back-up system that runs every few hours or even minutes, depending on data capacity.
We only do that with yellow shirt security personnel. It helps to keep the death tolls down and helps us to convince more people to join
"The Pegasus" is that episode where somewhere at the end of the 2nd act, Riker goes into the Holodeck and boots up a program of a fine fanfic based on the first Enterprise. If you're interested in Riker's recreational hobby as a Holowriter, they actually made a full series about it. It's called Star Trek Enterprise! On that show you can see what Star Trek might have looked like when the series is focused more on sex and action. A nice diversion like Vic Fontaine and or a Random Irish Village. Thank goodness that wasn't canon, huh?
Oh that Riker.
Ensign: Wow just came out of the Academy. I'm prepared for everything!
Starfleet: *ROCKS!*
Rocks fall. Everybody dies.
I’m still wondering what sort of sadist filled the consoles with rocks. My crew spent days cleaning them out so they didn’t go flying around
I would love to have seen a new starship designed in the episode.
Rocks; whether hit with them, crushed by them, fused with them, or even eaten by them, they are the scourge of the galaxy.
Imagine the relatives which now can be informed.
Starfleet office: Im Sorry your loved one is buried under a rock.
Relatives: Why are you still putting rocks and high voltage circuits inside the console.
SO: No no I meant he is fused with an asteroid.
Tech from the Pegasus should have been harnessed and given to every starfleet officer as a personal cloaking device, that way no one would ever die from rocks again...they blow out the console and pass right through!
Honestly this is one of the best channels on YT.
Reminds me of the fan-made Apollo class. Basically a Nebula style kitbash of the Ambassador class with a (probably) replaceable mission specific pod section just like the Nebula. A really cool design.
PS.: this video really ROCKS! 🖖
Nice I wanted to come in and recommend that ship too.
It's Junkball! I don't know who you are, but you make me happy.
My pleasure. Glad you like the videos.
@@JunkBallMedia Your videos have been consistently enjoyable. The amount of attentive effort you put into each and every one of them is - especially considering the modest size of your channel - quite astounding. Yours is one of those channels whose output seems effortless, but isn't, of course, if only because of your meticulousness in fact-checking. Or should I say OCD, lol. Anways: thanks a bunch bro, for your quality output. And wonderful sense of humor.
Thanks for remembering us and sharing this short video! As you mentioned, it is truly an unusual and challenging time; every little bit of sunshine is much appreciated, even if it simply shines up close from a gentle voice with a talented dry wit.
My pleasure. I'm glad the video helps brighten things up a little. I feel the same way about making them.
I read that Jonathan Frakes complained that Paramount was cutting a lot of TNG's budget in season 6 and 7 because they were spending more on DS9. That could explain why they cheapened out on the Pegasus.
very suprised they never gave it a mission specific pod, full of more ROCKS!!!
Thank you for keeping this channel going.
It's viewers like yourself that keeps the channel going. If people stopped watching, it'd sink to the bottom of RUclips Recommends algorithm. I appreciate that you keep watching them. Take care.
The one time where having rocks exploding around the ship makes perfect sense.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that the Enterprise finale "These Are the Voyages..." takes place in the middle of this episode. Riker uses the holodeck to watch Archer in making his decision to turn on Admiral Pressman.
The Kitt bashing joke continues!
*This is the saga I am here for*
Audible sigh from my end, love it.
I think it's been 4 years since the last one. I'm touched anyone remembers.
@@JunkBallMedia To cite a famous Star Trek character "No.. No... thats not true... thats impossible!"
@@JunkBallMedia I'm just disappointed that ALF didn't make an appearance this time.
Also, I really miss that fun synth tune you always used to play after the intro. Seems like ages since we heard that!
@@Scripture-Man I'll see about using it again. I've swapped out a lot of the music recently since I've been using the same songs for years.
Rocks seem to be the natural enemy of every starfleet member and officer.
Large rocks even have the ability to short out godhood power ups. Truly something to be wary of.
Rocks hurt! They're the enemy of humanity, except James T. Kirk...he climbs them into submission.
Great work as always!
I have no idea why this channel is not more popular. He has great explanations for things. I will say though that of all the rocks seen on damaged ships, the Pegasus rocks are the most legit.
This is my favorite Trek channel. Great writing and editing.
Miss your updates. Hope you return soon!
I wish they had used this model in the show. I think it looks great and I really wish it was in STO someday.
My head canon for the rock debris often seen when ships take damage is that it's refinery slag used as cheap passive radiation shielding. The place we typically see them is the bridge, which has direct outer hull (because the federation has always believed in symbolism over practicality), the primary place for such a shielding material. And since for passive radiation shielding the only thing that really matters is mass, it makes sense that they would simply fill that space with the (presumably rather dense) waste materials from their metallurgy industry. That solves two problems: For one you don't have to ship off as much slag, and secondly your crew has some protection from cosmic radiation even if you lose power for active shielding or the system acts up in other ways.
Thats actually brilliant.
Defiant and Normandy class ships do not have this as we deliberately sunk the bridge into the ship to make it tougher for a borg ship to cut out
@@matthewcaughey8898 Not familiar with the Normandy class (and I can't seem to find any details about it?) but the Defiant still has its bridge rater exposed at the top side. It's sunken in and somewhat shielded by a larger rim, but that only reduces the attack angle somewhat. It would be much more practical to have at least another deck above it for protection.
@@SKy_the_Thunder the Normandy came from me. I took the basic defiant form and increased the mass by 25 percent to give more room for additional weaponry. And to give the crew somewhat less Spartan living conditions. I also reduced the crew compliment and added additional redundancies to make it very difficult to stop or even damage. It’s basically a space borne super muscle car ( engine systems are pulled right from a galaxy class and upgraded to allow for serious right on the edge maneuvers and be able to have the amped up structural integrity fields to hold it together. Cloaking tech is a mixture of a reverse engineered Romulan device captured by Jim Kirk and several Klingon units sourced by ferengi traders (( at Utopia Planitia we don’t ask too many questions)). After we proved it worked Starfleet approved 5 additional ships. The USS Berlin , the USS Guadalcanal, USS Stalingrad, USS Britain, and USS Dutch Harbor. We named them for WW2 battles and they’ve all got some degree of war paint. Normandy sports a shark mouth and D-day invasion stripes etc. ( it’s a part of a thing I hope to write called Star Trek the chronicles of Task Force Ghost, a novel of the dominion war)
So there not part zen garden feature on ship.
An ship that was actually (half) filled with rocks.
Wow I really wish we got a new ship outta this episode. Especially an Ambassador variant.
PS: ROOOOOCCCKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Wow the pegasus was really caught between a rock and a hard place
The best part of the episode is when Riker casually steps over the corpses of his erstwhile friends and colleagues on the Pegasus.
But then - Eek! A mouse!
What would be awesome is if someone created a 3d model of this prototype design, and rework all the scenes featuring the Pegasus's exterior to include this instead. Maybe also swapping out that display for a 2-nacelle arrangement suitable for this Ambassador's Spouse class.
I remembered they had put together but not used the MSD for this episode. I guess in my mind I saw the Nova class from Sternbach's Tech Manual as the first choice, but knowing they were kicking around the Cheyenne class is exciting. I've always wanted to see more of that class of vessel, and thought it would have been a better choice than some ships used in various DS9 Dominion episodes.
Perhaps the next USS Pegasus (NCC-62301 or higher?) should be Cheyenne-class, then.
Your writing, VO, editing, music, it’s always clever, always entertaining. Great stuff!
Oh man, I love the way that ship looks!
Brilliant ending... right in the feels man 🥺
In your summary of the episode you forgot to mention how Riker struggled and spent a lot of time on the holodeck playing different parts in a reenactment of some of the NX Enterprise missions
I know! I thought about going on some more tangents, but I need to devote time to the DS9 videos. Right now it's a giant blob of notes. 😬
So looking forward to your DS9 videos. Great work, Junkball 🖖
Hey! Miss you, Junkball.. hope stuff is good for you 👍 happy new year & looking forward to new content.
Always something new to learn about Trek history. This makes so much more sense than using an Oberth model
Actually, using an Oberth makes a lot of sense in-universe when you think about it: When using a lot of experimental and new technology, designing a new ship around all that takes a lot of effort, time end resources, especially when you don't know if all that stuff will work in the first place. So better stuff all the experimental tech on an old hull, especially when said hull is probably scheduled for scrapping in the near future anyways.
Sure, that will take a lot of juri-rigging and non-optimal arrangements, probably with a lot of open cables and lines. But ultimately you don't need to run your tech optimally, you just need to see if it runs at all. And as an experimental ship you'll not fly 5-year missions into the unknown, but closely-monitored, short term cruises in safe territory. Also, the chances are high that all this new tech will require a lot of tweaking and refitting, so its better to have an old hull where you don't mind ripping out panels and floors for a few new cables, instead of a brand new ship where you just mit the carpet last tuesday.
So yeah, an old ship as a first experimental trials ship makes sense and then, after a few flights, deign a new class with all the things you have learned.
@@DGAlpha85 agree and disagree. The Oberth was an old platform, possibly the oldest platform in service during the 24th century given how low the registry on the Grissom was in ST3. It does make sense to have an existing platform be the testbed for some new technologies, but there were a lot more existing platforms to choose from in the mid-24th century than a ship originally designed in the early 23rd century. On the other hand, there were some proto-Galaxy ships in the Wolf 359 fleet, namely the Freedom and Challenger, that would have also been logical prototype ships even though they weren't existing models. I think a lot of it comes down to the systems being tested: if it's things like weapons and sensors, then yes it makes sense to integrate them into current platforms, but for larger systems like warp drives it might make sense to have a newer test platform (such as the NX-alpha and NX-beta prior to the NX-01).
@shininginshadows
Except that in real life.. this is often the case.
The US Navy currently uses a 45 year old Spruance class destroyer as a remotely-controlled “Self-Defence-Test-Ship” to trial new defensive weapons technologies.
One of the first US Navy ships to fire a surface-to-air missile in 1953 was the battleship USS Mississippi.. which was commissioned in 1915 during WWI.
The nice thing about using old ships is they don’t draw from operational demands that require modern hulls.. they are easier to modify because they can literally be “kit bashed” with crude installations and easily modified configurations that don’t need to meet standards for durability, damage control, redundancy, etc because they will likely only be operated in fair weather, close to port, not in combat, and…… as we see here… if there is an accident or total constructive loss the cost is far cheaper than a newer ship.
The Oberth class made perfect sense... for the bean counters at Paramount. Using a new model would have been out of the question.
A new JunkBall Video! [squeals] And there is a KittBash! [starts uttering gibberish] And rocks! [foams at mouth] DS9 tease. [faints] [thud]
Still the best Trek channel. I'll sometimes throw on the Pluto Star Trek episode to let them choose what episode of TNG I'm going to watch and this one came up a few days ago. It's such a great episode. Thanks for giving us some background info on it.
Random thought on the Rocks running gag: There's talk of using in-ship organic materials like human waste to line spacecraft walls in upcoming Mars missions to reduce radiation exposure. What if this practice still happens in the future. The Rocks are poo....
And you can use the poo rocks for fuel if the warp core goes offline!
Rump rocks.
Is that real? Thought that was just a gag on Avenue 5 space cruise ship.
Natural Fiber...
It is often joked about when ships take damage, and rocks fly across the scene…
But we don’t know… they could be remnants of plasma discharged crystalline backplane for control panels… when phaser or photon torpedo damage hits the area, the crystalline structure could be damaged into rocklike sections… who knows?
Yeah I've seen this concept on memory alpha and it's one of my favourite pieces of Star Trek concept art!
If it had been up to my preference, I would have attached the nacelle pylons to the secondary hull at a flat angle, similar to the Ares class, it would just make more sense and require less adaptation and rejiggering of internal layouts, but it would have been an interesting concept anyway.
This was excellent...
I'm more than happy that we got a new KITT Bashing joke.
I has to be years since the last one. I can't believe people remember those. I'm honored.
Having switched to PADDs for their documentation, and therefore no longer equipped with Paper, starship crew easily succumb to Rock.
I'm so lucky to have time between classes to watch this.
4:44 Junkball you should be a late night DJ/Radio host,
The thought makes me want to be a long distance truck driver, so I can listen to you while driving at 4 am
..............And I've never wanted to be a long distance truck driver before
That's a very specific visual. 😆
@@JunkBallMedia
Yes...yes it is..........no homo......
Lol oh you're killing me with the rock jokes !!!😆👍
Plot twist, the Horta have been at war with Star Fleet for decades, which is why so many ships spontaneously suffer rock-based damage.
Is it a concealed Horta infestation?
Great series - I've been watching all these Junkball ship backstory episodes.
What about the part where Riker takes some time off and relives the adventures of the Earth's first warp 5-capable starship in the holodeck?
"You know, this dough is hard as a rock!" - line cut from what is likely the worst episode from any Star Trek series.
As Tasha Yar said “it never happened”.
Sooo glad that you're making videos again!
Yeah, my dude! Loving all the videos lately!
Glad to hear it!
How about a compromise where the Pegasus class is an Oberth variant with the absurd void between saucer and engineering section is filled in with all those advanced weapons, and the phased cloaking systems
It was filled in...
WITH ROCKS!!!
@@benclark3621 Rocks: The most advanced 24th- Starfleet starship construction material ever devised to kill off nameless crew members. Not only traditionally used to pack the inside of bridge consoles for fragging annoying Red/Yellow Shirts, they were later found to be only best suitable substance to fill the notoriously unsightly "Oberth Gap"...😁
Steven - I created a GUNBOAT version of the OBERTH Saucer Section and adding 4 Oberth warp nacelles and two Rollbars with Miranda Megaphasors and Auto Torp systems , it also had a Double stack Impulse Engine arrangement. I used these in my Fleets along with MIRANDA Class Battle Cruiser confuguration.
these Ships were part of the Starfleet Marines (MACOS) .
@@markplott4820 I’m an engineer at heart. I created a Starfleet Corp of Engineers shuttle carrier out of the lower pods with a door in the back and a port and starboard egress door forward on either side of the deflector array housing, Plus dorsal and ventral docking collars for runabouts in the void space. Travel to and from the saucer to the lower hull was from lift pods that followed inset rails in the connecting struts and entered and exited through air locks
I also created a transport version of the Oberth that did away with the lower hull altogether and and instead had a docking collar for large scale cylindrical cargo pods. It was also possible to mount more than one oberth Saucer and slave control to a single command saucer
......you have taught me something new this day Good Sir.
i've always been into a "nebulized" ambassador :)
Star Trek TNG: "The Pegasus" ... The ultimate *Rocks* episode.
Wasn't Troi trapped in a shuttle by rocks in "Skin of Evil"? Yar got rocked in that one.
We miss you and hope you're okay.
Junkball please come back.....we love you. :(
The youth Fotos are just awesome
That was the rockiest episode. Not only were there rocks on the bridge, the bridge was in a rock. Mind blown.
Also K.I.T.T Bashing LMAO
Really glad to see another new video!
I doubt it had 4 necells, the display shows 2 necells with each one showing a top and side view of it
Wow! That's actually a pretty good design! Wish we could have seen it on screen.
Someone at Eaglemoss better see this video - I want that model!
1:30: "A good episode worth revisiting"
*These Are the Voyages intensifies*
My thoughts
Happy Star Trek day!!
Junkball, you are spoiling us with the recent uploads. But I like being spoiled, so that's ok.
In the expanded universe, this type of ship is what I believe to be the Mediterranean class
I miss u.
The Pegasus was one of the best episodes in the entire series.
The enterprise doesn't use illumination in the darkness of space, yet it does inside an asteroid which inexplicably has an illumination source inside it.
Well you don't need one in space since you don't really have to worry about crashing into things. In a tight space like inside an asteroid it's a bit different. As for the light source that's just TV magic, visual clarity needs to come before realism some times.
Are you saying they should have shown the Enterprise as a vague, barely-visible pitch-black shape whenever it's traveling between star systems? That would certainly have saved them a lot of money on the special effects.
@@Lemon_Inspector Pretty much, that was the reasoning for using running lights on the TOS refit in the motion picture.
@@Lemon_Inspector ruclips.net/video/VA-jWOnqAZ0/видео.html
ANOTHER video this month. Am I just baked? Nah, this is heaven
Hello Mr. Romulan! Look at my cool facing cloaking device! I think we just violated a treaty!
This would've been awesome design. We saw a lot of Lost Era-type ships as kitbashes for DS9s Dominion War scenes. But they'd be much more useful in TNG.
junkball ROCKS!
no i mean look out, that console is exploding!
You know that episode from TNG, the Pegasus, brings up a really good question. If Starfleet had a phasing cloak, why did they have to Source One from the romulans for the defiant?
Because it was illegal, only one was made, and it was probably dismantled as a courtesy to the Romulans, too. Plus, it was maybe too advanced to work on Defiant, too, @kurtis tharp .
It was also powered by proximity to rocks, and The Sisko wasn't having it.
Because it was completely illegal for them to have one. If you were told that something - I dunno, atom bombs - were illegal to own, develop, or reasearch in your country due to some treaty with another country, but then you got a special exception to have *ONE*, and you just went "OH HEY I ALREADY HAVE ONE! HOW HANDY!" that could be grounds for literal war.
@@evilspoons yeah but per the TNG episode Pegasus, Picard blatantly stated the Romulan government would be informed of the situation which means disclosure was going to happen regardless. Why not run what you brung? It was a better cloak than what the romulans had anyway
The one that was on the USS Defiant was a contract with the Romulans only to be used in the Gamma quadurant and share info there with the Romulans .
bless you. i was crossing my fingers for a rocks reference.
I'm always glad to deliver.
Charles Foster Kane had Rosebud as his last words. 80 years from now yours will be ROCKS! lol.
Happ Star Trek day everyone :D 🖖
At 1:05, look at Johnathan Frakes' head shot. This must be when he just left high school. So young!
New Junkball! Yes!
It always amazes me how rocks materializes everywhere when damage happens inside Star Ships :P
Nice.. a little something to watch before bed. Happy days.
The Oberth should at least have gotten some visible mods.
Like when you convert a DeLorean into a time machine
LOL, this is the first time in one of your videos where officers truly WERE killed by rocks. It's neat that you didn't explicitly say this, to avoid spoilers. Also… 1:07 Mind blown!
Love all your content. Keep it up. Looking forward to your DS9 videos.
This would have been cool. Maybe Eaglemoss will make it. Just wish the Ambassador class or a variant got more love in TNG & DS9. We got so many Excelsior types and Mirandas FOR DAYS.
I cant count how many times I watched this episode. And in HD it's so beautiful.
Man. I thought we had truly understood sheer magnitude of rocks. Little did I realize it was a mere taste of the danger rocks represented.
Another excellent video, and I'm looking forward to your DS9 series!
The design looks a little clunky from the side but I quite like the front profile though, so would have been interesting to see and fits with the designs we'd seen of Starfleet through all those eras. Cool to hear you're planning some DS9 stuff :) I'm on like my hundredth time going through the series, still my fav Trek.
Pressman’s cloaking tech was definitely outlawed by the Treaty of Algeron however that treaty did not cover and cloaking tech which was already in Starfleet’s possession or was acquired through other means. ( We actually bought several broken Klingon units from ferrangi traders and were able to assemble 2 functional units) the Romulan device was from the dubious “ Enterprise Incident” stolen by Kirk himself. With some work we were able to reverse engineer a nearly perfect cloak that was all Starfleet. The system was intended for use as a stealth recon op in the delta quadrant. It proved invaluable along with our heat reduction system. Once in combat we don’t run it but there’s no need anyways. The cloak and the armor generator ( reverse engineered from USS Voyager) don’t play nice with each other anyway
IMHO those condensed variants make way more design sense. If the warp field is meant to emanate from the nacelles, the more compact ships with otherwise similar internal volumes would be able to use a smaller warp field which presumably would take less power. Or if the speed a ship is capable of is related to its warp core output, it might even mean higher top speeds. Not to mention the inherent extra safety/strength/stability factor of not having a neck and pylons to join the major structures...
Shield strength as well, I imagine