USS Excelsior Retrospective
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Those little cargo pods coming out of the neck were running tests on the torpedo loading ports, but the actual torpedoes were not due until Tuesday.
If you look at Star Trek 6 the actual torpedo ports the command of the Excelsior were down on the secondary Hall and I believe there was still there Enterprise B
I'm writing this on a Tuesday...they haven't arrived yet
Please please please start making Star Trek videos again Neon Visual! 🖖🏻
Nail file storage. Or rocks.
Just like the tractor beam wasn’t due to be installed until Tuesday and just like the medical team wasn’t due to come on board until Tuesday.
The Excelsior is still my favorite starship design from my favorite Star Trek film. It perfectly fits that 1980s futurism aesthetic, but doesn't look out of place next to the Enterprise-A or Enterprise-D. The perfect transition design. Probably why it was used for the Enterprise-B.
I think the B looks even better.
I personally think the Sovereign is meant to essentially be a 24th century Excelsior. Very similar aesthetics.
Funny thing is that in the TNG Technical Manual, there's a section with tiny overhead & side view designs of the Constitution, Constitution Refit, Excelsior, Ambassador, & Galaxy classes...and the Enterprise-B shown there was the original Excelsior design (most likely due to the fact that the book came out before Generations).
in my opinion , it looks like a radiator... to each his own i guess
I think the Excelsior looks a LOT like the evil robot in Robocop. Same bulky aesthetic with bluish silver paneling and black grills.
Always loved the Excelsior's design. Perfectly round saucer section, it's big fat body, and the sharper lines on the back end just work really well. What a great ship, and I was glad it was still in service during the TNG era.
"Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon!"
“Now now Mr Scott, young minds, fresh ideas....be tolerant”
“ where does he get those wonderful toys‘
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.............I’ll get my coat.....
Tony ........Batman, Back to the Future, Aliens.........that last one was ‘The fast show’
@@jimd385
Er...noooo, phh, the last one was me,
Tony ....lol.
7:55 - What?! They re-shot the whole scene from the movie for an episode of Star Trek Voyager and managed to get the same people back to re-film it, while building the set again?!
Amazing!
All with a tv budget
For an anniversary episode...
Tim Russ (Tuvok) directed it. Planned carefully and prepared for a long time to "get it perfect, so even the nitpickers can't find any problems". It's not perfect, of course, and nitpickers have nitpicked a thousand flaws out of it. But it was still very well done.
I know this design isn’t exactly a fan favorite over some others, but I always really loved it. It looks like a “real” starship to me, just hard to explain.
......I waited for the rocks
Geode... before he jumped ship to Star Wars and found fame playing a rock.
Actually on DS9 they also used an off the shelf model kit of the Excelsior. It was used for midground and background shots. They didn’t even bother light rigging it. They put reflective tape and paint where all the windows and glowing bits were. I’ve seen it. It’s awesome. :)
*Hears them sweet Junkball beats, knows there's gonna be ROCKS somewhere in this video.*
Combining the Star Trek V camping sequence with First Contact was genius. Well done!
I clicked this on accident thinking it was old and thought to myself "I wonder what he's doing", then saw it was new. That always happens with Junkball xD
Thanks. They're all kinda the same.
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The Excelsior is one of my faves ever. It competes directly with the Galaxy class for my affections.
“I don’t care what color the headrest is!” How do you find these clips? It’s almost as if you have every episode memorized to be able to pull out the perfect clip for every situation.
I believe that was an episode where everybody was obsessing over minute things because of a nearby anomaly. Archer with his speech, Trip with adjusting Archer's chair (because Archer said it was giving him back pain), etc. etc.
Trip obsessed to the point where he tried to make it the most advanced chair ever made, and he wanted to make the headrest the color Archer preferred. 😂
It’s a curse, especially when I remember the dialog but I not which episode.
Of course. Every Star Trek fan knows these things.
@@nealsterling8151 except the current writers and producers
@@danielhall5364 how true Dan
“I don’t care what colour the headrest is” 😂😂😂😂 Killed me.
"Transwarp" means several things in star trek, it can mean what the borg have, but with the excelsior it meant the ability to jump directly to any available warp speed, rather than going through them sequentially as shown previously, which obviously takes time to do, so over short trips it could make a difference.
Later on in star trek going straight to a warp factor rather than 1-2-3-4-5-6 for example is shown all the time, so did it really fail, if that is what "transwarp" meant in this case?
There was also a recalculation of what what warp speeds was. So a given warp speed in TOS was also different than the same warp speeds in TNG forward (warp 1 was always measured as the speed of light). I seen somewhere where warp 9 in TNG would be warp 18 in TOS warp scale due to how they measured warp speeds.
So the transwarp for the Excelsior could very well be the warp 9 for the TNG era, or at least very close to it.
The upshot of all this is that Starfleet radically redesigned its warp engines during the TOS movies.
Really? No shit......that's interesting
Huh. I don't recall hearing that explanation before. Very interesting.
+Leon
Is this official, or some fan site explanation?
The excelsior refit was always my favorite ship design when I was little, the Enterprise B was a beauty. I’d love to see what a modern looking one would look like today.
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My take on it is, that the Enterprise and the Constitution class as a whole proved that much higher warp speeds than previously thought possible can be reached. This lead to the great experiment of the Excelsior with a more powerful warp core to push it even further. Overall it was a success even with the Excelsior class never quite making it to transwarp. As a result measurement scale of warp speeds were adjusted to the one of the TNG era and beyond.
So the excelsior was the first ship with TNG levels of speed? Not bad, I like it.
@@GoldenCroc that is my interpretation at least. It would also explain the Excelsiors as the backbone of the TNG era Starfleet.
Perhabs not the speed of the TNG ships - but the core design which was first tested on the Refit of the Enterprise and then used in the Excelsior proved, that ships could go much faster. So they then build the Ambassador class with an even bigger warp core to reach the maximum possible in speed. Then they made the core smaller and more efficient for the Galaxy and later classes. And in the 2370s a powerful warp drive would even fit into a Destroyer or Akira-class.
I see it similar to that. "Transwarp" may not be a reference to a specific type of technology but rather a general terms for types of propulsion beyond Warp. Once the Excelsior test runs were completed, they stopped calling it Transwarp, because by then it had become the normal type of Warp.
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I sensed that. This one was made for you.
@@JunkBallMedia nice to see you are still amongst the living!
I've never understood the claim, the idea, that transwarp failed with the Excelsior. The only reason the Excelsior failed to go into transwarp and catch Enterprise was because Scotty had sabotaged her. In Next Gen, the Galaxy class ships are obviously far faster than Constitution ones, and warp designations have been reconfigured so that Warp 10 is a theoretical impossibility being equivalent to infinite speed, while the original Enterprise went to much higher warp numbers on more than one occasion. Obviously, by Picard's time, warp means something different than it did in Kirk's.The only reasonable explanation is that 24th century ships use what was called transwarp in the 23rd century, but the terminology has been changed for some reason. How this relates to what the 24th century characters were calling transwarp in relation to the Borg, I don't know, but obviously the 24th century ships are using very different tech from the 23rd. It must be transwarp.
No. Transwarp failed because it didn't properly work, regardless of the sabotage.
@@JohnnyZenith And when were any such test results ever shown?
No. But the crew of the Excelsior and of Space Dock can be glad, the Transwarp didn't started up at that moment. It would have been deadly for all of them.
@@acmenipponair Why?
@@odysseusrex5908 maybe Acme is referring to Voyager's 'Threshold'? memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Threshold_(episode)
From what I’ve read, and I wish I could remember twenty years ago lol, but the Excelsior’s warp drive was revolutionary because it was the first attempt to mate two warp drives per nacelle. It required a monumental computer and a strong core to power four warp field generators at once. I think the company/entity developing the drive was Shuvijinalis, a Vulcan conglomerate or something like that...
For some reason I really love the original Star Trek III Excelsior bridge. It just looks so super 80s, with the stark white huge space, then those shiny black consoles in the back full of flashing multicolored lights. It reminds me of an old arcade or something, especially with the green lights on the bottom of the chairs and the old-school graphics on the Transwarp display. The Star Trek VI version looks more dignified and probably fits with the exterior better, but if I could step inside one of them, it'd be the older one. The Excelsior is also my favorite class of ship in Star Trek, I just love everything about the shape and colors.
One of the most beautiful ships in science fiction.
It's hideous. It looks like an inverted Homer Simpson.
@@classicgalactica5879 hahahaha, but I agree it's hideous.
Dude, believe it or not, these videos help IMMENSELY. "Help?" you ask? What do you mean "help?" Wellllll, there are tons of creative types out there (writers, designers, effects people, etc.) who need to know some of this for their work and to find details already researched by someone (you) makes life much easier. Also, it's cool to know what happened to the models, how they were conceived and designed and what all the little features are. So - THANK YOU! Keep up the good work!
Did you ever do a video about the Enterprise refit model? I'd love to know what's up with that. Last I heard it's sitting unprotected on a stand in the lobby of one of Jeff Bezos' companies.
Thanks for the encouragement. I’ve always meant to cover the Constitution refit in-depth but time always slips away.
What I love is a description of the Excelsior's I read many many years ago, it was a theory as to why the Excelsiors were still so popular with Admirals and the bulk of the fleet by TNG. Due to the Transwarp Drive being designed into the ship, the hull were extremely overbuilt compared to any other ship of her era. When Transwarp failed, the Excelsior's design was still the best in the Galaxy so they went into production overbuilt design and all. I always loved that thought, explains the thick neck ;-)
Someone on the model design staff saw the battle in Wrath of Kahn and made the neck thicker so the ship couldn't be "decapitated" easily as Enterprise nearly was.
I've always loved the look of the Excelsior class - something about those angular pylons and the ribbed grey neck. Although the Galaxy class will always be my favorite.
THE EXCELSIOR CAN BE BUILD ON THE GROUND AS A TOURIST ATTRACTION/HOTEL DUE TO THE SUBSTANTIVE NECK AND THEN FITTED WITH SPACE ENGINES WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE...
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The Excelsior has long been my favorite Star Trek ship, ever since I watched Star Trek VI oh so many years ago.
Most certainly my favourite Star Trek design- specifically the refit, which makes me weird apparently. I really hope a clear version of the refit (or just a nice model at all) comes out eventually.
Junkball is the best! I still love the old "Therapy" videos.
Another excellent edit for nerds who know they're nerds and don't mind having the piss taken out of them for being nerds. Thanks!
Thanks. Yup. If you're a nerd, just lean into it.
One other nail file of information. Tuvok not only appeared on the Excelsior in Voyager, but also on the Enterprise-B in Generations. (Albeit he was a Human instead of a Vulcan)
He was also in an episode of TNG as a human terrorist
@@TAZ95C4 and on DS9 as Tuvok's mirror universe counterpart.
really love the design of the Excelsior after the Enterprise refit design its one of my favorite enjoyed this retrospective
Francis Fernandes agreed! It’s both an evolution of the Enterprise refit design and also something completely new.
Yes, lovely design until they ruined the flow of the hull with those wings on the Enterprise B
@@StevenCarrie I like both: The more beefy Design of the Enterprise B and the original one. There is room for both of them in my heart. :)
When I first saw the Excelsior class starship I thought it looked clumsy. I understood why they called it the " pregnant skateboard "! Over the years it grew on me.
Yay, i was binge watching them all yesterday and this appeared. Best day ever
Binge them all again and we might get another video
The refit enterprise and excelsior is peak design for Federation ships. Everything that comes after is derivative. The production designer really hit the high water mark. Nothing comes close to such beautiful ships on screen.
I love your channel, Junkball!!! This was one of your best videos, for sure! I love all the little things you brought up. I really enjoy your content!
This along with the Miranda is my favourite class of ship in star trek
I first found your channel a few months ago and kept waiting and waiting for a new video. And waiting and waiting some more. Thought maybe it was my fault. But you're back! I appreciate your knowledge and research that must go into producing three videos, plus the editing and your humor. Much talent. Thank you!
You know just how much Star Trek there is when this guy found a clip not only talking about a headrest, not only about the colour of the headrest, but a person talking about how they don't care what colour the headrest is!
Dude, you rock!!! love your sense of humor.... ..... boot.
I appreciate you measuring that the Exccelsior was in Startrek Enterprise for a moment when Archer was going through Daniel's stuff. 1/8th of a second.. Now I know . Thanks Bro.
Good to have you back, Been Missing your videos. I understand that there only so much you can do.
Missed you bro!
You know, Picard could have used the Nexus to travel back in time several days, saved his family, and captured Soran before anything bad happened. Or not, I guess.
Why not?
It would have been the logical thing to do.
@@nealsterling8151 Because movie must happen. So write it to happen.
@@ToonamiT0M True, but writers shouldn't assume the audience is as stupid as they are.
It's an obvious thing to do, but I think Picard knew the risks of messing around with time travel too much.
@@MrAshleyR He wasn't fit for duty since he knew of the death of his brother and nephew. Heck, he didn't even care about the loss of his ship, nor the precious Kurlan Naiscos. It is almost like the writers forgot anything about TNG, lol.
Thx Junkball, always found the excelsior fascinating...This was very entertaining. Keep up the great work.
Brilliant! “If you’re still watching.... you care about things that are not worth caring about” 😀 That got my subscribe!
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To me it is the most beautiful Star Trek good guy ship ever. There are elements of art deco around.
I always loved the Excelsior. And I see the Sovereign as a TNG-era Excelsior, which it really is. It has similar proportions and similar positions in the timelines of their respective eras. They're both beautiful ships, long and lean, with stretched nacelles.
0:03 Captain Styles eyes shift right with the music - perfect!
Always good to see you post man. Hope you and the fam are well. Live long and prosper.
Your videos are the best, glad to see you back!
Awesome ship m and still looks as elegant 40 years later. Now thats good design work ILM
I missed you.
Another Great Video my friend! Welcome back!
Thanks. Much appreciated.
Great vid Junkball media, and well made. I found it very interesting, just like your other videos. Keep up the good work, it is appreciated 👍
A fantastic video as always. I hate the wait between your videos but I know the quality is going to be there.
I hate the wait between videos too. This video was boring AF until a few days ago. It was a last minute scramble to trim 5 minutes off and tweak parts. I'm glad you liked it.
I really love that you use really cool 80's music for your videos!
So glad you're back! Was worried you were gone.
It's good to back. Worried? Funny thing is I worry that no one will remember the channel if there's a long gap between new videos. Thanks for not forgetting. I appreciate it.
Your channel is the best Star Trek channel on RUclips.
I had the honor of modeling and texturing this awesome ship for a videogame. It really is a thing of beauty.
You have some of the best Lore and Ship videos on RUclips. Great humor, well edited, consistently good.
Thank You!
Thanks. There are plenty of better channels out there, so I'm flattered.
Love junkball!!! Its a retrospective even! My favorite!!!
Already to ALMOST 60k subs! Good work Junkball!
I remember a negative comment from the magazine Cinefantastique who took issue with the look of Excelsior. To paraphrase; 'it looks something like a half squeezed toothpaste tube.'
I laughed at that description, but reminded myself she STILL turned out sleekly beautiful.
From those of us who followed Star Trek from the very beginning, there were NO other variations of Federation starship design. In TOS we seen other sister Constitution Class ships in other episodes. IN TAS there was one, the S.S. Bonaventure lost in the Delta Triangle a century and a half before Kirk and his crew voyages. We went from seeing ONLY slicked out refitted Enterprise in TMP to seeing a Oberth class-science vessel Grissom and ALL NEW heavy cruiser design Excelsior.
Just as we felt back in 1982 TWOK, 1979 TMP and in the last season of TOS in 1969 none of us knew other new starship designs awaited our escapist delight...LOOK AT US NOW!
At moment 0:04, I'm sure this was 1 very young Mr.Miguel Ferrer. Mi.., how years have passed us by ?..
R.I.P. Mr.Ferrer, U will always be remembered.
I am thrilled to pieces that the Dharma came to King Ho-Ho-Ho, I really am, but right now I’m trying hard to focus on the more immediate problems of our own century right here
Everytime I see your latest video in my feed, it's like Christmas!
One of my favourite all time starships. Thanks for making this!
Love you videos. There fun, light hearted and I appreciate your attention to details.
I LOVE your channel! You are definitely my favorite Trektuber. Keep the videos coming! Your humor always brightens my day! How about something on the evolution of Starfleet computers and the LCARS?
So happy I found this channel
Thanks for posting mate! I love all those little details.
You've compiled a very effective analysis of the Excelsior from Star Trek! The design for the ship is interesting in various ways, even though it is somewhat awkward compared to other Enterprise iterations. Your background research is great, and the side by side comparisons are particularly effective, especially in the section on the recreated interiors. It is fascinating how the reconstructed set for the Voyager episode is different in so many ways, but yet still seems like the same bridge.
The voyager version's bridge is constructed from Tuvok's memories, so it could be a mix-and-match of the various stages of her existence during his tenure on the vessel.
@@SkyCharger001 Good point; I wonder if it could also be a symptom of a developing cognitive disorder.
And another 12 k since this video. You'll get to 100k in no time at that rate. I'd say 5 to 6 months. I thought I already was, but you just got a new one. I can't even count how many sci fi channels I'm subbed to now.
Love your videos. Always funny but informative. Look forward to the next one.
Been a while since you posted a video. I'm glad you haven't given this up. You make Excellent Content. :)
I'm just so happy I'm not the only one who cares about this minutiae as much as I do.
_these_ minutiae --- perhaps grammatical minutiae are not your thing?
@@DrWhom Fair enough.
Actually, upon second thought, you are incorrect. This was a spelling error, and not a grammar error.
Was looking through my sub feed this morning and missing your videos. Glad to see you back.
Just found you channel and definitely subscribing. Love you’re sense of humor. Great video.
Love your videos! They are funny and packed with knowledge of trek ships!
So glad your back. I would love to see a Mirianda or Oberth Class video!
Always nice to see a new video from one of my subs.
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Great video Junkball ! as always.
@1:10 On how Trans-warp works
In my head cannon, the idea of Transwarp was a plot device. Pure and simple.
Having a Transwarp engine give the Excelsior the ability to catch-up on the stolen Enterprise. It cancels out the head-start the Enterprise had. And this creates tension in the story.
How is Transwarp faster than warp speed?
It allows for instant jumping to high warp speeds without having to go through each speed (warp 1, warp 2, warp 3 and so on).
This faster capability for the ship chasing the Enterprise is an obstacle our heroes encounter.
Scotty evens the odds. But we don’t know about this until the last second of the prelude of the race (a race that doesn’t happen).
The plot device of Transwarp speed is called a Ticking Time Bomb. Captain Styles (the CO of the Excelsior) plays the part of the Aggravator. His arrogance makes him unlikable, ffs he carries a swagger stick.
His presence threatens the protagonists in their mission. He appears to have the upper hand with the audience understanding the implications of failure but through ingenuity our heroes prevail in the scene.
The tension arises out of the “must succeed” nature of the scene. This is their only chance; if they get caught they go to prison - and don’t get to save Spock.
The RUclips clip Stealing the Enterprise is great. The movie is GREAT !
All units of measurement will be by Andre the Giant units or AGs, in the future. Also, I worked at Office Max in the 90s and we could order a lot of chairs from our catalog that appeared from the 24th century, or ones we saw on TNG :).
Your videos are great! Informative without taking themselves too seriously.
Great video! My favourite star trek ship design.
Great video. Congrats on the 50k subscribers! :)
The intros to these are the greatest.
Dude. This was fabulous. Thank you for all the detail. And I thought I knew it all.
The one dislike is from Scotty
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From beyond the grave I guess too....oooohhhh spooooky !
@@michaelhawthorne8696 More like from beyond the Transporter buffer.
It was a nice video. Much attention to detail. Great job!
I have an excuse for the rocks. It’s like safety glass. If a panel explodes it breaks into smaller pieces.
Junkball is back!!!
Only ~50K subs? This channel is criminally underrated...
Junkball is back :o
Mate, your last video was 4 months ago... So happy you're back. Ace video, funny as. Nice. Please don't let it be another 4 months.
Thanks. I hope it’s not another 4 months too.
Very well done! Thanks for the video! - Alfred
Love this ship! Thanks Junkball!