"Idiot Proof" Do it Yourself Deck Build - Step by Step Guide to Composite decks pt1
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- How to build a COMPOSITE deck- by yourself. DIY style step by step deck building & construction guide, framing, Stairs, deck hand rails -everything.
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I don't build a lot of decks maybe 4 per year. However I rewatch Franky build decks before I start each one. So many good tips, I seem to forget them from time to time. Thanks for these videos!
If you always over build, you never worry about load issues. I agree with Franky.
Haha that's awesome to hear! I will definitely let Franky know you said that, thanks Chris 😀
@@Dirtmonkey I wish I could find a guy of Franky's capability to work for me. He seems to be the type worker we all look for.
Love you're videos Dirt Monkey, long time subscriber.
There are a lot of people, including myself, that would have killed to get used retaining wall blocks.
3 years later, I would kill for those used blocks
We all can’t thank you enough for the time and effort you put into these kinds of videos. Some just don’t understand the amount of time it takes to make videos like this. It helps many of people including myself. Keep up the amazing work! I hope 2018 allows you to grow and continue helping others get into this line of work.
Thank you!!
love Frankie, this is how everything should be built.
He's the dude
1. Posts need to have galvanized post bases, with 36” pier poured up to base. Also posts need to remain above grade.
2. Spaced outer rim joists do not make a beam, therefore it is not load bearing. 2 boards have to be nailed together to create a load bearing beam.
3. You do not and can not, per code, use deck screws on joist hangers. Must be hanger nails or structural screws. Screws have a much lower shear strength.
4. Any joist over 6’ should not be 2x8. Always use 2x10. 2x10 joist can span up to 15’ on 16” center. Span up to 18’ on 12” center, or double 2x10 on 16” center.
I hate seeing contractors push lumber to its limits. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Every home owner that I do a deck bid for, I tell them that I rather over build than under build. And no, I do not say that to make more money. All lumber is bought by the home owner at cost, I only charge for labor. Which probably why it’s hard to keep up. (Tear off and build 18x12, step down to 12x18 for $7300, labor and materials is my next job)
Sadly, In my opinion the old deck was much better than the new "common looking deck."
yea i was like, WHY?
Just doing their jobs but yeah, that was heart breaking. Obviously the old deck had way more time, effort, quality, character, etc. and looks like a little maintenance and it would be there for another 100 years.
One had no load capacity and required zero maintenance. The other... The opposite . Guess which one is which?
you think the first one was a deck? lol classic
The first one that your referring to was an after picture of this very deck that they are building. A picture of it when it's finished. There didn't used to be a deck they're!!
Poor Frankie. I like how he did free floating too. He did a good job.
Did you guys really just tear down that beautiful stone paver patio and replace it with plastic decking?!? Wow
Couldn’t believe that
Real money moves
Composite decks last much longer than wood. And stone pavers are the devil. Frost heave has your once pretty patio looking like crap once its not level.
The "hurricane clips" are to prevent uplift on a roof. Because a hurricane will tare roofs off from the winds lifting the roof upwards. The clips are there to tie the roof to the actual building itself. I believe these have a special faster as well. I think it's overkill to use on a deck but it's doing the same job.
Good info, thanks Ryan !
Such a great tutorial... Franky is a legend.... G'day from down under !!
Labels video “DIY” and has 10+ professionals on site and all the equipment necessary. Let me just pull the ole bulldozer outta the shed. Stop the clickbait titles
It's DIY. First DIY is have money, Second DIY is have camera and try to make money off click bait to pay for all the people doing the actual work.
You don't need to own a bobcat, you can just rent it when you need it. Is that a bad thing that professionals are on this video?, I wouldn't take a video serious if they were rookies. And ''all this equipment'' basically are 1. circular saw, 2 a drill, 3 a level, 4 shovel, 5 measure tape, and a regular string can be used instead of a laser. If that is ''alot'' what do you have the, just a philips screwdriver?
@@johnneeman7432 Hit this nail on the end. Can you build it in a day like he did? Idk how many good friends do you have? Shovel, handsaw, level, and drill is all you need. Kids these days forget skyscrapers were built with basically hand tools back in the day.
of course what else would you expect from Richard Rawlings...
Lol.. So. True.
Helpful deck tutorial.. If you have a digger and 10+ professional tradesmen
Nice to see that you actually use a beam. So many people (especially DIYers) have the joists sitting right on the posts only being held up by bolts or other fasteners because it saves on materials.
Good job on the deck and all. But i would have worked with the old one to get them what they want if possible, sometimes the customer wants good stuff gone
Omg, lower level paver patio extension with same old fashion pavers or maybe blue stone slate plus country landscaped and way much better results.
Gotta watch the pressure treating on those 6x6 posts. I've had termites get in under the concrete base and come up the center of the posts, where the treatment hasn't fully penetrated into my Cedar decking. Also, I used 6d hot dipped galvanized nails for my hangers.
i did this on my own it only took me 6 years😁
I like this guy he teaches you a lot of very important skills good deck build
Thank you very Much I am building a 200 SF deck free-standing and I learned few great pointers from you and Frankie
I over engineer and over build everything also and have never had anything fall down. Get made fun of for it all the time, but I like it nice and sturdy and who knows what you may add on to or on top of later on!! Nice to know I'm not the only one!
Should always do your research on composite boards; what it replaced was a beautiful & rustic, very robust & weather proof patio. Hope it was worth it.
its pointless to do that and stick those post under dirt they will still rot in a short amount of time (even though they are treated) and then your screwed when you need to replace them.... why not a concrete pier 18 - 24in deep (or even deep enough to be below your frost line if you wanted) with a post mount then mounted short post from that to the framing so the post doesnt contact much dirt or water and will last longer and then when it does need to be replaced you can do so easy.
my neighbor just went through that with his deck. Pain in the butt to dig everything up.
that's exactly how it should be done. Specially in cold climates.
just finished writing the same thing, then saw you comment here, that is a ton of post to dig out in a few year cause they are all rotted out. I did the same thing in 83', that lasted till 90, replaced the entire deck because of it. This time I put in metal post mounts ontop of 5' deep concrete footers, which ended a few inch above grade. Been rock solid for 27 years now.
Were the posts you buried Green treated? Our green treated last for years being buried with no issues.
In fact we have house foundations made out of green treated up here in Minnesota with no issues.
Love it going to school right now and I talk to my teachers and it seems they don't wanna explain certain things but your videos but nail on head for me..
God speed thanks. Look forward to more videos
Thanks for the great comments Caseie!
Tore up a perfectly nice stone deck.
I wish you could have showed how he notched those post...looks incredible.
Just no. Notched posts equals rotten posts. It creates a reservoir level for water to hang around on. Always better to use coach bolts or similar.
Always a pleasure!
Thanks Danny!
i dont do these kind of projects, im more of garbage dumps, garage work and nasty stuff clean up, but i love these videos, bro!
October 15 2019. 09:51 AM 👍🖐✌🇺🇸
Stanley Is The Coolest Guy I Know on Home Improvement .. THANK YOU !!!
Hey thanks Lorie!
Thanks for the inspector call. Good information.
Hope it helps!
I'm going to just say, I really liked the old style much better.
Guess they needed a bigger space and rebuilding/expanding the patio was $$$ and the deck materials were probably free from the sponsor.
Also, I would’ve taken those retaining wall blocks and made some garden beds or lined paths or something!! Lol. But I’m cash poor so that’s how I roll.
Leo Ryan same here, it just needed some tlc
The lower portion is for a hottub and allows for better sight lines from inside the house.
Was thinking the same thing. Composite/wood decking is ok, its everywhere though, nothing unique about it. So much work, labor money, I don't think it was worth it.
I will extend a new wood deck if want wood deck.
The rafter ties are not to hold the joist straight. Elliot's definition was incorrect, although they may do some of those things. Think about why Franky calls them hurricane clips. They are used so the updraft from the wind doesn't push the deck off the joists. Same as if they were used on a roof. Not a hater, just wanted to clear that up. Glad you used them.
Thanks for sharing!
And they are almost never required on deck construction at that height.
Frankie loves the lens.
Hurricane clips keep the trusses / joists from coming up due to wind. Helps keep the trusses / joists from lifting up and flying away.
Best teacher!!
Great looking modern deck.
I love Frankie, he's my deck hero
Looked alot better before and now the maintenance will begin
Respect, Frankie! You can pick, still over engineered. And how many decks have to be rebuilt in a few years? Good work!
They are hurricane ties -- hardware pieces that connect the joists to beams and resist UPLIFT force caused by high WINDS.
Frankie is a wood wizard!!
This is what I want to build from my house and wrap around my pond
While a lot of this was over my head, I appreciated the don't-do-this and do-this examples, and loved the banter between everyone!
Thanks for watching !
Great video Stan. Those hurricane straps work i know 1st hand. In june 2015 i built my shed. I got al the framing complete built roof trusses put them up, braced everything up. A storm started rollin in after working on it for 9 hours or so. Well it was a massive straight line wind and it blew down my frame all left standing was the roof trusses.
Sounds like one hell of a wind!
Really enjoyed this video!!! You guys are a blessed bunch of workers and it shows. Thank it really helped me. I’m an experienced DIY’er just looking at deck vids and this one and the other in the series were extremely helpful. Be Blessed and great Job👍🏾
Thanks so much Marcus, happy that the videos have helped you out !
Finally, someone else that knows how to shoot grade in tenths and hundredths.
I had to stop the video at 1:44 in just to hit the like button. DB ftw!
Yeah run string lines top and bottom of end posts and you get a quick perfect plumb job in one direction. Use level to plumb the other direction.
They-replaced-it-with-something-cheaper XD
Another inexpensive way to level across a 50 to 100 ft grade is using a water level. They sell a kit to use with regular garden hoses for less than $20. There is usually 8 to 12 inches of clear tubing on each end. Two pro tips from me: 1. Put some food coloring in the water, it makes it much easier to see though the prismatic effect of the water. 2. Add glycerin or dish soap to the water so it settles faster and improves accuracy by reducing the surface tension. Water levels are great when measuring around objects like corners and walls a laser can’t handle. I have hung many long runs runs of cabinets and shelving units (think library) with one. A laser is the way to go if it will work, but the humble water level works in the places you can’t use it. Also makes a great backup if your laser’s batteries die. LOL
Thx bro for the vid I’m 16 and just built a front porch deck 22’ x 6’ for my parents thx for the help
love augers on skid steers - used to run one on a dingo for fencing and such
I really like the in video questios and answers. Very well done man. Love your channell. Not many videos on free standing decks out there, im building one this summer, will reference your vids on it
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback Adam 😀
I’m a Marine Contractor in MYRTLE BEACH, SC, I use them on every project
U need to explain what u use😂
I’ve gotta design and calculate a deck for my “parents” house and I gotta do the pricing for treated wood and composite decking I will probably use the composite decking featured in your vid bc it doesn’t get hot! The deck that i design will probably be build too because out current deck has the current structure integrity of a spaghetti noodle!
For more info just check out moistureshield.com
After ripping out the stone patio and replacing it with a plastic deck, the next logical step would be to install a plastic siding to cover the house logs and lay down a low maintenance plastic lawn.
Love that Frankie notch method!!!
great video very helpful for some projects i have coming up
How'd u guys do the holes that are right next to the house?
The deck I built on back of my home is 16'X 12' Just under 200 sq feet. At it's highest point the deck is 27 inches above grade. The door to the deck is not a required egress, there are actually four outside doors on my home. My footings are deep enough to be stable from freezing heave and the entire deck is self supporting and free standing,1/2 inch from the house. NO LEDGER BOARD!
You guessed it...I did not have to get a building permit or pay for ANY inspections when I built my deck.
Ledger boards should be outlawed IMHO. They are unstable, unsafe and they can ruin your house frame, foundation and siding. Any savings you may see by not digging a few post holes will soon enough be lost to the ledger board, special flashing and fasteners, permits, inspections and eventual repairs to the house.
Don't be stupid.
Don't hang your deck.
Build it the correct way without short cuts, from the ground up.
even second storey?
@@dexter-wy5bo Any deck higher than 30 inches above grade needs a building permit and inspections. My deck is only 27 inches at it's highest point above grade.A second story deck could and should be built self supporting and free standing IMHO. A deck ten feet off the ground even more so needs to have it's own structural integrity and not rely on a ledger board and a handful of fasteners to hang it. Failure at that height could potentially be fatal.
@@williardbillmore5713 good to know, thx
The hurricane ties keep the joists in-place at the beam-end--as the hangers do at the ledger board end. But their main function is to hold the structure down--to the beam--so a very strong wind (e.g., from a hurricane) or vibration (earthquake, or par-tay!) cannot lift or move the deck. They're not meant to prevent twisting of the joists. Blocking is what is used to keep the joists vertical and prevent twisting under load--and blocking is generally a good idea when joists spans more than 5-6 feet between vertical connections (e.g., the ledger board and the rim joist). Of course, the use of hurricane ties presumes that the beam is secured to the ground through the posts. In this project, however, the beam looks to be set upon the posts, and nailed to them. A more sturdy connection would include 2 staggered 1/2-inch bolts, all the way through the beam boards at each post. Then again, there's nothing securely attaching the posts to the footings here, so this is all rather moot.
the guys fixing our house after water damage built us a new back deck with a nail gun! its been a month and already the thing is loosening up. gonna have to go back over it ourselves with deck screws
We never do decks with nails anymore its always screwed for that very reason... same as sheetrock/drywall on walls and ceilings
Yep- I prefer screws over nails for that reason.
Have you ever done a video talking about why you use a wheel loader instead of a track loader?
He has a video talking abut it. The rubber tracks are great in mud, but when there's snow and ice they have very poor traction.
mhn3773 He has multiple machines, but you work with what's at the site.
Very true. We had this machine handy-so we used it.
Hey Stan, have you ever thought about making a video on construction vocabulary and such? or do you know of any websites that could help me better understand what you talk about? I've been trying to learn about how to do construction but my problem is i get confused at what you mean talking with technical terms at time, when you were talking about grade in particular, it confused me.
I have never thought about that- good suggestion.
Trade that little bob in for a 247 Caterpillar skidsteer; you would be forever thankful! (Landscape friendly tracked unit)
I wish you could add more details such as how to notch the post and what screw to use
Good stuff Stan!
Thanks!
Would be nice to also have cool siding for West side, and heat absorbing for South side in cold climates
Landscaper for over 16 years. Love your channel! Your knowledge is remarkable!
Thanks David!
I like the way you interlock the joists. One thing you did not show though is how you managed to dig those 42" deep holes right up against the foundation of the house. I'm building a floating deck soon and will need to dig post holes (though not 42" deep because it's not necessary on a floating deck) right up against the foundation as well.
It is recommended that you keep 18 inches away from the homes foundation . There is no reason to put footings that close to the house. Joists can cantilever that far beyond the beam that supports them.
Wow it looked far nicer than the cheap looking decking, good work guys
Double rim in the business!
Frankie is the man
Franky is great!!!! He is just like me.
wow, frankie really is a genius.....
Thanks- he is awesome to work with.
I love your house
Thanks Brian
Those skid-steer tires look like they're done. I'd have studded them by slamming a bunch of hex head screws into them. Might only last a few more jobs, but traction would increase by like 1000%.
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Thanks Clyde!
If not a builder, but do they make structural composite boards for the framing? I'd think that even treated lumber will still rot over time if it's in contact with the earth.
Daniel C It will. These people were ripped off.
In the northeast, a "sill plate" is not a board on edge, but something that is on the foundation that the joists rest on.... Pretty sure what you are calling sill plates are rim joists or band joists.
Holy moly you can see the air in those tires
Great vid stan....helpful tips of the trades
Thanks!
I really liked the old deck...
Great work guys, I really enjoyed the dialog. Explained a lot of it and very informative!
Appreciate that Marc, thanks !
Frankie, come you please come out to Louisville and help me build a deck!?
If your beam is resting on notched post is it still safe to attach the joist directly to the beam with joist hangers instead of resting it on top? So the joist will be flush with the beam.
You took out a hardscrabble, no maintenance deck, that was much nicer and had more useable space with no trip sticks? That was just dumb.
Exactly what I was thinking. The stones was a work of art. Owner will regret the maintenance in 10 years
Hurricane ties are to prevent (very unlikely in minnesota) uplift.
Why didnt you not use the hanger screws on the ties and joist hangers
Frankie needs a raise.
This is a great video.
I need to hire Frankie. I don't mind over engineering. I'll pay for that any day of the week.
LOL-cant have him
I have dibs on Frankie when you and him go separate ways lol
Always nice to have customers who are willing to pay for the extra engineering as well.
Baya LLC i noticed that too, i use to use those ties but now i just use 12 inch timber lock lags... When you buy 200 they are only 50 cents each, they last forever and are stronger and super fast and easy installation with an impact wrench.... Its about five times faster then positioning the tie and putting in 4 screws
RIP original beautiful deck
I cried after the first 7 seconds of the video, I couldn't watch anymore...
Love your videos!
Thank you!
frankie is the best 👍
your ok too stan haha 😉
Looking good!
Thanks!
Hey! What are you doing Frankie.... Frankie sounds like Tommy Chong..great video frankie is a smart dude...great video
He knows his stuff!
Keep up the hard work
Thanks!
I'm confused why you went to the effort to dig 4' for footings, but didn't bother to pour tubes and place saddles, this would have kept all your lumber above grade, additionally no use of end-cut preservative on cut lumber? Were the posts secured to the concrete footings in any way? Also as a side note - are you not concerned about the soil compaction causing damage to your trees roots when @7:45 you are moving soil and running the machine up close to them?
the ties are to stop the Joist from pulling away from the Bearer.