FYI, those little tabs that stick out of the hangers are there to be hammered in, to assist with temporarily holding it in place while you prepare to nail it.
@@TheExcellentLaborer if I want to build a roof on mine, and have beams supporting the roof, do I still need to make some supports for the header, or can I use 6x6 posts/beams in place of them/screwed into the header & cut the flooring to fit around it?
If you hang your joists this way, what happens when all of your 2x10 material is not consistent with the scrap block dimension? For example…the block you use is 9.25” but your actual size joist is 9.50” in a few (or a lot of them)? In theory you would need to come back and plane down the top of the joist, or have somebody help you hang in the first place? Videos are great thanks!
True. Was wondering same thing too. He could have screwed scrap blocks to top of joist (overhanging each end) and simply let it hang in place nice and flush. No helper needed and still flush and correct.
using a scrap as a test block for fitting you can tack it in place with a screw, that frees up both hands for working. Good old helper screw, 1000 uses on the jobsite. Also clamps! You can never have too many clamps if you are working alone.
What direction does the frame go from the structure, does it matter? Connecting a front porch to a back deck along a manufacture trailer home. Going 4 foot by 24 foot?
Stupid question, sorry. You said mark 12" on center, yet when you installed you seem to have lined up the hanger edge with the center mark itself, thus install was not to center. Right?
Hey whats up Josh. Anyway you could make a video about decks around above ground pools? IF you happen to do one and have the time obviously. Love your work man and love how detailed and straight forward the videos are. Appreciated 💪💯
And now for the fun part as there is no free lunch. With all the junk lumber today some boards may be 5.75 while others with a width of 5.5, for 2x6 material speaking, making a ocean wave floor. Some plane the tops, but can lead to some bad deep spots as the electric plane can hog out alot quick. I set the fence on the tablesaw and make every board the same....tons of stress having to back track
I'm building a small play house for my kids, but the floor is going to be raised from the ground about 3 ft. What can I use to support the flooring so it can hold at least 200lbs? I started and I tested the floor by trying to kick it in and I heard the wood crack so I know that won't hold them. I was thinking I need something to hold in the middle but I'm not sure. Any tips would help. Also I know this comment is weird but I'm just a mom with 4 daughters trying to figure out how to diy things for them.
Can anyone give an answer, making a horizontal roof with 5 x 30 cm wood boards / joists (30 cm being vertically) would the boards in 5 meters length bend from it's own weight and snow ? And what is the max spacing allowed between boards, is 70 cm enough ?
Wow. Great video. You mentioned using both 2x6 and 2x10 for joists. When can one use 2x6s? I have an old deck with 2x10 joists holding up deck boards that are 2x10x12 feet in length. The quality of modern PT decking is such that within several years they start to rot, especially where the deck screws are, even though I use coated torx screws. Great idea regarding using a pneumatic nail gun; I have one but it never occurred to me to use it. I am thinking about replacing my boards with composite; any concerns? Also, my joists are on 24 inch centers; I was going to put the new ones on 16 inch centers, but I noticed you are using 12 inch centers; any concern about the added weight of the joists with 12 inch centers? Lastly, do you wrap the tops of the joists? Mine are getting soft at the top edges. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Length of the span and spacing determines the width of board needed. Wider boards allow greater spacing. Use joist tape to get longer life at screw holes.
Sorry, trying to be pithy. I’m talking building a foundation for a deck frame on top of an existing roof/living space. I’ve tied my ledger to the house. The side and end beams need posts. I’d just like to know what you think about those adjustable posts like, Bison and Tuff Block for stability to hang my beams on.
I'm building a 16x32 deck and was going to use 2x12s for my ledger and joists, but I figured that size was an overkill and went with the 2x10s. Would you agree?
When we did my uncles deck on his spectacular home....we had engineered plans for a 4 ft cantilever deck stamped for a 16 OC layout....the inspector actually told us after we set the piers that he wanted to see 1foot on center or doubles on 16 o/c....my uncle thought about it and said lets go above n beyond....WE ENDED UP GOING WITH DOUBLES ON 1 FT CENTERS....AND WE CROWNED UPSIDE DOWN SO THAT THE CANTILEVER ACTUALLY FLARED UP AND THE JOIST SAT HARD ON THE MIDDLE GIRDER....BY THE TIME WE PUT 20 PEOPLE OUT THERE 4 FEET it was level instead of sagging.... I honestly have to say that 20 yrs later the deck is solid and it really did need the doubles on 1 foot to endure the outside weather....theres no bounce in the deck and as the wood got old and dingy there was still enough of it to stay strong....im a firm believer that 1 foot centers are a good way to go even inside...of course lumber was alot cheaper then....by the way my uncles house was framed with douglas hemp fir on 1 foot centers or doubles on 16....and when they have house parties alot of people think the house sits on a slab because the floors dont bounce
Do not use a scrap piece of 2x10 to hang your hangers. All board widths are cut with a slight difference. You will have waves in your decking. Unless you want to use a plainer to plain your deck, then use the scap 2x10.
I have to ad: You also should never use a nail gun for fastening joist hangers, hurricane ties, etc. since it's damn near impossible to get the nail from the gun to shoot perfectly through the center of the hole in the fastener. The manufacturers are pretty clear about not cutting into the fasteners or tearing them in any way. Creating new/wider holes in them from a gun compromises their integrity. A palm nailer is the quickest and most effective tool for this application, otherwise it's better to simply use an old fashioned hammer.
@@TheExcellentLaborer dude the way you broke this down step by step through your videos. Is like going from Einstein math equation to Elementary Times tables .
@@ricardopesantezvalverde4498 Apparently, with Trex decking it is 12" on center, whereas with wood it's 16 inches on center... I would have thought 2 x 8s would have been sufficient when you're doing every 12".
Your layout is wrong. It's supposed to be 12" to the center of the joist. You went 12" to the edge of the joist. For it to be 12" on center, you have to go back 3/4" and X ahead
Your comment is completely irrelevant. In order for it to be 12" O.C. you have to mark 11.25" X ahead, 23.25" X ahead and so on. The way that he laid it out is not 12" O.C.. From the house to the center of his first joist actually measures 12.75".
The LORD, My wife, and I are building a deck together and I am very thankful for this upload. Please keep up the great work.
FYI, those little tabs that stick out of the hangers are there to be hammered in, to assist with temporarily holding it in place while you prepare to nail it.
You deserve more views! This is the most comprehensive video I’ve watched on step by step porch or deck building!
Hey Misty! I appreciate that. The channel is growing one day at a time. I hope this video helps you. Thanks for watching!
@@TheExcellentLaborer if I want to build a roof on mine, and have beams supporting the roof, do I still need to make some supports for the header, or can I use 6x6 posts/beams in place of them/screwed into the header & cut the flooring to fit around it?
I'm building my 1st deck myself and these videos are really helpful! Thank you!
Thanks for watching. I’m glad this video was helpful for you. Good luck on your project! Let me know how it goes.
If you hang your joists this way, what happens when all of your 2x10 material is not consistent with the scrap block dimension? For example…the block you use is 9.25” but your actual size joist is 9.50” in a few (or a lot of them)? In theory you would need to come back and plane down the top of the joist, or have somebody help you hang in the first place?
Videos are great thanks!
True. Was wondering same thing too.
He could have screwed scrap blocks to top of joist (overhanging each end) and simply let it hang in place nice and flush. No helper needed and still flush and correct.
Exactly. This is not a smart method. attach hangers to the joists first, then make them flush and fasten. All kinds of issues can go wrong here.
Inspect your materials first to ensure consistency.
using a scrap as a test block for fitting you can tack it in place with a screw, that frees up both hands for working. Good old helper screw, 1000 uses on the jobsite. Also clamps! You can never have too many clamps if you are working alone.
I’m interested in how you notched the posts to set the frame on.
6x6 posts?
What direction does the frame go from the structure, does it matter? Connecting a front porch to a back deck along a manufacture trailer home. Going 4 foot by 24 foot?
Stupid question, sorry.
You said mark 12" on center, yet when you installed you seem to have lined up the hanger edge with the center mark itself, thus install was not to center. Right?
Yeah I thought the same. He's going 1ft and go. First one should've been 11 -1/4.. making it 12" center. Then hook 1ft and go off that first joist.
Havent watched it and I already liked the video. Love your content man.
I’m glad you stopped by to checkout the video. I’m happy when subscribers comment. You da man!
Hey whats up Josh. Anyway you could make a video about decks around above ground pools? IF you happen to do one and have the time obviously. Love your work man and love how detailed and straight forward the videos are. Appreciated 💪💯
Should be the spacer 16" or 12" for compose deck?
Now can those be used under interior floors inside a house with joist or hangers?
Awesome video...any one using hangers , or any brackets I recommend a palm nailer I got mine from Harbor Freight for 25 bucks such a Time Saver !
Omgosh, i didn't know these existed, thank you!!
yes those are awesome i got Bostich
And now for the fun part as there is no free lunch. With all the junk lumber today some boards may be 5.75 while others with a width of 5.5, for 2x6 material speaking, making a ocean wave floor. Some plane the tops, but can lead to some bad deep spots as the electric plane can hog out alot quick. I set the fence on the tablesaw and make every board the same....tons of stress having to back track
I'm building a small play house for my kids, but the floor is going to be raised from the ground about 3 ft. What can I use to support the flooring so it can hold at least 200lbs? I started and I tested the floor by trying to kick it in and I heard the wood crack so I know that won't hold them. I was thinking I need something to hold in the middle but I'm not sure. Any tips would help. Also I know this comment is weird but I'm just a mom with 4 daughters trying to figure out how to diy things for them.
Did you ever find your solution for the playhouse?
Can anyone give an answer, making a horizontal roof with 5 x 30 cm wood boards / joists (30 cm being vertically) would the boards in 5 meters length bend from it's own weight and snow ? And what is the max spacing allowed between boards, is 70 cm enough ?
Wow. Great video. You mentioned using both 2x6 and 2x10 for joists. When can one use 2x6s? I have an old deck with 2x10 joists holding up deck boards that are 2x10x12 feet in length. The quality of modern PT decking is such that within several years they start to rot, especially where the deck screws are, even though I use coated torx screws. Great idea regarding using a pneumatic nail gun; I have one but it never occurred to me to use it. I am thinking about replacing my boards with composite; any concerns? Also, my joists are on 24 inch centers; I was going to put the new ones on 16 inch centers, but I noticed you are using 12 inch centers; any concern about the added weight of the joists with 12 inch centers? Lastly, do you wrap the tops of the joists? Mine are getting soft at the top edges. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Length of the span and spacing determines the width of board needed. Wider boards allow greater spacing. Use joist tape to get longer life at screw holes.
Nice cuts. Great work.
Josh, for a second story deck, how well do those adjustable supports work?
Could you elaborate on that some?
Sorry, trying to be pithy. I’m talking building a foundation for a deck frame on top of an existing roof/living space. I’ve tied my ledger to the house. The side and end beams need posts. I’d just like to know what you think about those adjustable posts like, Bison and Tuff Block for stability to hang my beams on.
I'm constructing a very small deck - Maybe 4'x8'. Do I still need to go 12"OC or can I expand to 18"?
thats determined by what kind of decking your going to put on top.
I will like to build a deck 12wX16L on my back yard do I need a permit from the city or not
In my area I need to get permits to do anything like that. Ask your local Planning Office if you do. Hope that helps!
Every city/town has different codes. However, you can just put it on piers and not attach it to your house and call it a “moveable picnic table”
I see you didn’t do it but I’ve seen others. Is a center piece needed beneath the joist? I seriously don’t want to restart this
Also is blocking really needed?
how I can set the base inside the house ? the door side.
Thanks man, I could work with you.
Right now I have no open positions. Good luck with your projects!
I'm building a 16x32 deck and was going to use 2x12s for my ledger and joists, but I figured that size was an overkill and went with the 2x10s. Would you agree?
The span and load dictate the size of lumber.
2x10 16" OC got 18-19' maximum span, so all good if you are planning 16'.
why not screws? I find nails to pop out as the wood twists
new to this channel ... what's your name again ? great job on all this again man ... helping one watch and comment at a time.
A comment is always appreciated man. I hope to do merch in the near future. I’ll except any recommendations!
@@TheExcellentLaborer oh man count on it ... seriously will get you and some friends on it immediately
Awesome! My email is akajoe87@gmail.com. You can send the designs there
What is the length span for joist on 2x10?
Amazing job👌
how do you hang a corner or end hanger
Great info Josh, thank you!!!!
U did nt mention the nail types
Awesome!!
I appreciate that!
Thank you for this video
How come no concrete footer for the 2 posts?
Great question
looks like you need to invest in a framing nailer im glad u atleast had one for all those joist hangers
good work
Thanks 😊
Good video man thanks, good info but I saw it.
When we did my uncles deck on his spectacular home....we had engineered plans for a 4 ft cantilever deck stamped for a 16 OC layout....the inspector actually told us after we set the piers that he wanted to see 1foot on center or doubles on 16 o/c....my uncle thought about it and said lets go above n beyond....WE ENDED UP GOING WITH DOUBLES ON 1 FT CENTERS....AND WE CROWNED UPSIDE DOWN SO THAT THE CANTILEVER ACTUALLY FLARED UP AND THE JOIST SAT HARD ON THE MIDDLE GIRDER....BY THE TIME WE PUT 20 PEOPLE OUT THERE 4 FEET it was level instead of sagging....
I honestly have to say that 20 yrs later the deck is solid and it really did need the doubles on 1 foot to endure the outside weather....theres no bounce in the deck and as the wood got old and dingy there was still enough of it to stay strong....im a firm believer that 1 foot centers are a good way to go even inside...of course lumber was alot cheaper then....by the way my uncles house was framed with douglas hemp fir on 1 foot centers or doubles on 16....and when they have house parties alot of people think the house sits on a slab because the floors dont bounce
The deck needs bridge blocks in the Middle...
The only time i dont use them is 8ft span or less....plus being outside it just makes sense
Not necessary for a flush beam deck. Only for dropped beam.
Do not use a scrap piece of 2x10 to hang your hangers. All board widths are cut with a slight difference. You will have waves in your decking. Unless you want to use a plainer to plain your deck, then use the scap 2x10.
Cool
Thank you!
You hung the joist hangers based on the width of one joist. The width of joists are not all the same, been seeing a lot of difference.
You should QA what you receive to get consistent pieces.
the dummmmy blocking I hope people will pick that tiny trick up to help them if they do it themselves .
Oh yea that’s a great way too. I love me some dummy blocks!
That 2x4 will split over time and possibly move around....
I wouldve put a double in for the treks...thats just me
Is that a 2x10 every foot? STURDY
I hope that gun shoots galvanized ticco nails??? Because regular nails are not safe to use
I have to ad: You also should never use a nail gun for fastening joist hangers, hurricane ties, etc. since it's damn near impossible to get the nail from the gun to shoot perfectly through the center of the hole in the fastener. The manufacturers are pretty clear about not cutting into the fasteners or tearing them in any way. Creating new/wider holes in them from a gun compromises their integrity. A palm nailer is the quickest and most effective tool for this application, otherwise it's better to simply use an old fashioned hammer.
The cheat code for decking.
That’s an awesome way to put it 😃 Thanks!
@@TheExcellentLaborer dude the way you broke this down step by step through your videos. Is like going from Einstein math equation to Elementary Times tables .
I appreciate that! I try you teach the most basic ways that make the most sense. I’m glad you found my channel! Stay tuned!
joists are seldom always the same height, you should never pre-install floor joist hangers!
12 in on Center???.....wtf
what is the standard size?
@@ricardopesantezvalverde4498 Apparently, with Trex decking it is 12" on center, whereas with wood it's 16 inches on center... I would have thought 2 x 8s would have been sufficient when you're doing every 12".
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Your layout is wrong. It's supposed to be 12" to the center of the joist. You went 12" to the edge of the joist. For it to be 12" on center, you have to go back 3/4" and X ahead
He butted from the house or should i say hooked on the outside so hes on good...
Your comment is completely irrelevant. In order for it to be 12" O.C. you have to mark 11.25" X ahead, 23.25" X ahead and so on. The way that he laid it out is not 12" O.C.. From the house to the center of his first joist actually measures 12.75".
@@samuelginnings628😂😂😂 He's fine. Unclench your cheeks, buddy. No one is impressed.
Yea man. You need a lil more experience to be doing videos. I have seen you do things wrong and misquote price on trex dexking.