How to build a LOW MAINTENANCE timber decking base
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- It’s finally time to start building our decking! We’ve been delayed so much by the weather but we’re finally ploughing on with this project. As we’re building this on a North facing wall in the North East of England we’re really thinking about long term maintenance on this one. I really want a timber deck and I’m fairly confident this will have a life span of at least 20 years. Possibly more. Today we’re building the base then in part 2 we’ll finish everything off and talk more about finishes, wood treatment etc. Enjoy!
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Hey folks, if you want to nerd out on the detail of exactly how much timber we ordered, how many fixings and a load of extra SketchUp shenanigans, head over to the Member Zone here: members.gosforthhandyman.com/decking-timber/ - Thank you for your awesome support! 🙏
No contractor could match this level of detail without charging a fortune. The best advert for doing something yourself with longevity & maintenance in mind. Nice one Andy & Mrs Mac. I wish my wife could use a shovel!!
This isn’t on the level of contractor, but more of craftsman level - ❤ the level of quality on this👍🏼
@Keith-di8hd Under the decking perhaps 🤣
Thank you!! 🙏
@RUclipsModeration24are you the wife of @colingoode3702 🙃
@colingoode3702 She can. But she already does so much she has to leave something for you to do.
That detail of the plate in diamond instead of square is something that 95% of woodpeckers would miss or not care about.
This is the most belt and braces, thorough approach to building a decking base I’ve ever seen. Nice one!
Thank you!
I’ve seen many diy videos, but this one is by far the most detailed one and clear to understand. Fantastic job all around. Love it 💪💪💪🫵 ⭐️
“Think maintenance!!” - the ultimate catchphrase that has really stuck with me since I first started watching this channel.
Splendid!! 👍😁
Definitley better than 90% of contractors
Cheers!
18:16 That was the very honest "jeez" of a man who doesn't get surprised often, but when he does it's warranted 😄
Hooray ! ... Andys back on the tools !
Finally!! Been trying to get this project started for 18 months! 😂
Wow, what a video. THE definitive guide to building a maintenance-free decking base. Thanks Andy, love your channel and this video. 👍
I do love your videos Andy. It’s like watching poetry. I don’t think I can remember any other RUclips maker taking this level of care
Thank you so much!!
Glad to see you back to making main channel vids.
Beautiful piece of framework there, and that new impact driver is a monster!
And well done to Mrs Mack for getting stuck in!
Some how the RUclips algorithm suggested your video and it just came in time. I may do a decking in my new place rather than resin bound. Food for thought.
This is how I'd build decking given the budget and time. Top marks Andy!
Cheers!!
i am amazed at how much talent you have been watching for while take my hat of to you and your wife for building a fabulous house
Ha thank you - I just make it up as I go and hope for the best! 😁👍
Thanks Andy. I'm about to help my brother build his decking. This is going to help massively. It will look great.
Cheers - hope you get some useful pointers from it!
I love the attention to details Andy. Fantastic.
Good point about sealing the wood. I've seen people get that wrong before trying to be over safe. Too much sealing can be just as bad as not sealing at all!
Defo!
Well done Mrs Mac you always do a good job. Nice video Andy as always. Thank you.
She's a grafter! 👍💪
Brilliant thanks Andy, planning a deck build just now! Off to the members zone for more.
Love your videos. I always learn something from them. Thank u for sharing your wisdom.🎉
Great to see you doing a build project.
Looks fantastic so far.
Can't wait for the next video.
Cheers! Just wish the weather would sort itself out! Raining again! 😭😂
Tidy, clean and precise. As usual!
Absolutely gorgeous
Getting there! 😁
Master deck builder! Scrupulous attention to detail, as always. Bravo!
Brilliant video. You make everything look so easy. Your explanations are very detailed for anyone who wants to attempt the project. Have followed the entire house Reno and love all your videos. 😊
Quote from the wife “not heard that voice in a while”! Welcome back. Love the attention to detail.
Cheers - good to be back! 😁
Hi Andy, Good work on the framing of the deck area, Like the idea of the concrete bases to rest the posts on and ventilation holes for flowing air for the vent bricks, the base is shaping up well. Mrs Mac has done good digging work, this is going to be a good garden project cant wait to see the rest of the build. As always a great video Take care
Thank you - can't wait to get it all finished!
Impressed that you found the height for deemed planning permission. It's quite well hidden in the PD regs and trips most people up. That said I think the Portal does outline 30cm if people even consider the need to check for planning permission.
Yeah it's well hidden away! Technically we'd probably be covered as it was on the plans of our main extension anyway. But good to play safe. 👍
Great timing! Looking to do a deck in the next 2 weeks so im glad this popped up!
Hope it's useful - best of luck!
Just once, I’d like to see a video where the soil is like the boulder-city in every garden I’ve ever had!
Of just left over building debris!
"Sack that!" - haha, that absolutely tickled me.
Your deck will be wonderful. You will be able to sit out there and enjoy it for many years. And your lawn is beautiful.
Thank you! The lawn is looking a bit sorry for itself where the timber has been sitting for a month. 😬😂
Great attention to detail. Thanks again for a superb video. Just one thing to mention regarding health and safety is at 24:51 after you drill onto the concrete for the post anker you use your blower to blow the concrete dust away , creating a puff of dust blowing up into the air, you are not wearing a mask and it takes quite a while for the dust particles to settle down around you, meaning you would be breathing all that in while working around that location. I always use a vacuum cleaner to suck the dust and debris away it is much safer and cleaner as you're also not blowing the dust and debris from one place to another.
Regards, Chris.
Cheers! I generally hold my breath when I do that. 👍😁
Well that was handy, im building a deck next month, thank you
Great to see you back on this channel Andy. A great start to your decking project and at a level of detail that would not be matched by most. Love the idea of 'Think Maintenance' before starting a project, potentially saving heartache in the future. Cheers.
Great to be back - still got so much editing to do! 😂
Looking forward to the next one Andy.... that base just looks solid as hell even at a glance.
Ain't going anywhere! 👍😁
Neat job done, Andy! Lots of attention to details I've not seen on any other deck build video, love it!
Cheers!
Nice job 👍
Another great video, thanks Andy.
I also had a good experience with tcfixings when I used them for a project in the garden.
I love the fact that you and your missus get on with the work together when you can or take turns no wonder your home is lovely with such a partnership. I told another couple here on YT about what you have done and maybe you could advise them 'Laura Melhuish - Sprague' Oliver and Laura have redone their own Victorian and wanting to do an extension they want to hire a builder to do it and sure could use your advice on what to expect. I love your decking very simple and not over done I wish another couple here on YT would hire you to redo theirs 'The Sawalha - Adderley's' but that would also be up to them to ask you.
Maybe some storage could be built later for storage of whatever you use on this decking :) Everything you did made perfect sense to me would do exactly the same if I were to build one :)
👍👍👍. Thanks Andy
Really enjoyed it
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Great Job ! Thanks for the guidance ! Every day is an education. Cheers bud 👍
No worries!
Well that’s a relief, I was waiting for this but jumped the gun on starting mine. Apart from not treating the coach screws (I will get to those though) I did all the things you suggested including expensive tape. Looking forward to the next episode.
Fantastic stuff - hope it all went well!
Very Very nice!
Cheers!
With regards to the hand saw on/off switch. Andy read the manual, even I know that! And I’m Australian 😂😂 Great channel mate.
I never read the manual!! 😂😉🍻
excelent job from Australia
Good work Andy. That's a very strong base for timber decking 👍
I build my decks very similarly. I do opt for post shoes (Toolstation) instead of dpm/edpm as lifts the post off the concrete and gives me a solid fixing down to the foundation.
I also found the bituminous paint flakes off when exposed to sunlight, so have opted for joist tape instead.
I have found that with bituminous paint as well.
I looked in to those but I think they were a bit too tall and would have interfered with the notches in the post. So I went for the lazy option. 😂👍
Great build and fun to watch. I had a similar project and i settled on composite deck and aluminum frame. Not for everybody of course but i asked similar questions to you and i wanted a do once project with minimal maintenance. Jet washed it the other day after 2 years and it looks brand new
Outstanding work as usual, Andy. I am building a small workshop and have used self-levelling, height-adjustable decking pedestals from Ovaeda to support the timber floor joists 150mm clear of ground level. The whole construction is built on an area of 50mm PC slabs. Although I was building the floor level (obvs), the adjustable pedestals are ideal for incorporating a fall if required. They are made with polypropylene so water damage is not an issue. I highly recommend them.
They look great! I think we'd need a full concrete slab under them since we'd need a lot of them. Look good though!
@@GosforthHandyman aye, my PC slabbed area is a sort-of 50mm slab effectively and I have 27 pedestals under a floor that is only approx 2.7m x 3.5m.
Wonderful attention to detail and an absolutely solid build for the rest of the project. Nicely explained step by step too. Thanks for sharing. Subbed!
Thank you and welcome on board!
Decking lights thoughts would be something i’d like to see . Top quality decking insulation there. 👍
Cheers! I've yet to find deck lights that don't fail after 2 years. Something I need to research a bit more. 👍😁
Vermin love decking 😉
They don't stand a chance in this garden. 😁😻
Thanks Andy, I've been looking forward to seeing what you do with this, it's been such a lovely spring for doing outside timber projects ! I try and avoid timber wherever possible for anything at ground level now, I've spent years building stuff then spent more time maintaining and repairing it, I use a company called Filcris for this that supply a recycled plastic product that will never rot ! I really appreciate the detail you go into on these videos and the focus on maintenance, I'm still learning having been doing these sort of projects for 30+ years, RUclips is great when you find the right people to follow !
Special shout out for Mrs Mac, she's a trooper, and also why the hell do you need to go to the Gym ?
Cheers! Ha I put on 10kg since finishing the main extension 😬. The dad bod has to go. 😂💪
When you said about the inset step, I thought you said "insect step" and I was thinking, why on earth would you need a step for insects to climb up 😀. Nice work on the base, lots of good tips for keeping the wet out of the house construction too, thanks
Hahaha ... yes that's what I heard too the first time he said it ... finally, later, the penny dropped
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Great video Andy, its always good to see the progress steps on how things are coming along. I just watched your door frame video the other day, I had to remove the mother of all door frames in my Edwardian house, i kid you not it was built like a tank ( the door frame that is lol).
Awesome
In my opinion, I’d leave Just as it is. With no boards on top because it looks Absolutely Bloody Cracking! Great job mate 👏🏾👏🏾
Fantastic thorough job, you are clever. The maths side of it alone, getting everything measured and working it all out would have me stumped 😁
I couldn't do it without SketchUp. 😉
Hi Andy. Brilliant video as always. I have an 18v DeWalt drill and driver as I left my 10.8v with my son in France and had to retrieve it months later. The 10.8v is still going strong despite using it for long screws to secure sleepers. I can’t justify Festool kit, however much I’d like to, and ‘turning on’ a hand saw had me laughing out loud 🤣. The decking I’ve just finished is nowhere near as detailed as yours, was made out of what was left of the previous deck and the garden furniture fits it perfectly. My plans to replace my 22 year old pond liner in the spring has gone on hold until Autumn as the lilies are sprouting. I use carpet under it as well as sand as protection against stones etc. It is a substantial 22’x13’ and has three feeder ponds. I also have a waterfall and stream. If you are interested, and you tell me how, I could send pics or videos? That’s long enough. Have a restful night 🌞
Wow that sounds amazing Ray! Drop me a note via gosforthhandyman.com/contact/ and I'll reply so you can send pics by e-mail. 👍😎
I have a wood cabin (1400kg) that was erected without proper support. I went for Blooma plastic supports. Each pad takes up to 500kg. Without proper concrete pads I installed the risers. Cabin has never moved, sunk or anything. The great thing about these risers is they are indestructable, keep timber away from moisture and easy to level the joists.
Do the blooma risers allow for slope (i.e. do they tilt) and are they on concrete? I am looking at them to put a deck over my current block paved patio
@@georgeanastasi7729 the surface needs to be pretty flat and level, aside from that the screw section does have some slop in it. The great plus is each pad doesn’t have to be spot on as you just adjust the height to suit the joists. I should add that the surface under my cabin was just loose stone, I dug out as much as I could, then used concrete blocks set on cement.
They look great - don't go high enough for this deck but it's something I might have a play with at some point. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman I believe you can get extensions, there are other companies making similar products. Mine have been installed since 2016 and so far so good!
@@JohnnyMotel99 Thanks, I think that's exactly the route I will go down, blocks built up to height needed, with the risers on top. Brilliant
Round over bit on the air holes to aid airflow. Quality.
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Can't beat attention to detail Andy !
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Hi Andy very impressive build which as many have already stated , would be very expensive to have done professionally . But as with all your projects it’s all down to planning , and particularly in your case quite a high level of ability . As regards wood versus plastic I’m all for plastic if it’s 100% recycled , but at the moment it’s very expensive. So no doubt you have come to the same conclusion , and made an informed decision . 👍
Cheers! I also have concerns about the long term recyclability of composite but I don't have a particular axe to grind. I just know where I am with wood. 😁
Your are true magician my dear friend
Hey Andy, I shan't be putting you in charge of my cattle any time time soon! Great job and I'm looking forward to seeing the finished thing.
Ha ha thank you! 👍😁🍻
Lovely job mate, you and the wife do a cracking job regardless what you're tackling. I must say though, I quite liked the original river pebbles with the plant pots. I would have been tempted putting in some nice decorative slabs to make a patio seating area for some patio furniture, but thats just me. No hate though, geat effort again
that would be a good looking deck
Fingers crossed! 🤞
Go Mrs Mac! 💪🏼 Legnen…..dary! 😉
She's a grafter! 💪
I've gone right off using "wood preserver". Someone done a real world long-term experiment. And preserver actually caused accelerated rot.
I would advise bitumen based products or yacht varnish instead.
Hi Andy, I’ve been watching your channel since you started renovating and extending your house, maybe a little while before that, I can’t remember. Anyway I’ve been nagging my husband for a small shovel like the one you used to dig your holes for the deck. Where did you get yours from, please? I’ve looked in the hardware/garden centres where I live and can’t find one. I’m desperate for one now, I’m getting too old to use the bigger ones as they’re too heavy for me to handle now. Please help me find one. By the way, your deck is a big one! Thank heavens predictive text didn’t kick in then! It often does when I’m typing and I’ve got myself into all sorts of trouble with it. Love your channel. Hello to Mrs Mac. He has an angel helping him, you tell him I said so. ❤️😂😂
The brand name is Roughneck. Screwfix or Toolstation sell them. Approx £12
@@peterpuchalski817 Thank you. Most helpful. 🙂👍
Yup that's the one! Was a special request from Mrs Mac. It's her favourite shovel. 😁
@GosforthHandyman they are great for getting into tight spaces or small trenching. btw Great work on the decking. Regards the joist tape. I've just got some that I saw Robin Clevett recommend. HD Protect. Extra wide 118mm and these were £60 each. But I'm protecting Oak Joists on a 3m x 3.6m balcony, so I want to protect it for many years. Hopefully it will be worth the investment.
@@GosforthHandyman Excellent. Thank you. ❤️
You're the third youtuber to upload a decking video this week.
Ha seriously??! Game on!! 😎
Used engine oil is a much better wood preserver than anything you can buy in B&Q. 50 year old fences still strong.
Nice Andy, air flow and keep as much as you can of the ground what else can you do. Looks very similar to the way Robin C built his. 👍🏻
Cheers - I'll need to take a look at Robin's vid and see how we compare! 👍
2:25 "84 years later....." The joys of trying to get outside jobs done in a British summer 😁
Lol tell me about it!! 😭
Jakers with this weather lad, who knows when you'll get to stick that tape. I'm over the channel in Ireland and the rain just won't let up. We've had one day of summer so far - 19th May. That was it. It's rained since and temps of 13 celsius - I mean seriously, I've seen Christmas days warmer than that. What's going on? Anyway, rant over. Looking forward to seeing the rest of it come together. Never would have thought of the diamond plate. Good point (no pun intended). Right, I'm away to start building an Ark.
Great deck. Only thing I'd do differently is - those holes cut for the ventilation in the joist look to be somewhat toward the bottom, which is the bit of timber in tension. Those holes (if you have to have to have them) really should be dead center in the timber (height wise); and need reinforcing with four 'floor joist stiffeners' (basically a long angle section that you fit to reinforce the joist where you've done the hole).
We are of a similar mind. For my next deck I'm intending to go a step further and use plastic timber from a former 'park' bench for the legs.....
That could work well - some of that stuff is solid. 👍
with sketch up, can you do a video on how to use it for basic projects?
Interested in the tape reasoning. My tightness twitched at £60 a roll when theres a gallon of blackjack left in the tin!
Apparently it seals around the holes from the fixings. I also twitched... several times. 😬🤞
@GosforthHandyman I had to rebuild decking around my Hot Tub a couple of years ago. That lasted about 20 years without any protection. I used that decking tape on the rebuild and used it to seal end grain as well as top seal the frame. Expensive yes, but quicker than bitumen. I used Jouplast Plastic Adjustable Decking Risers for support, so no timber in contact with the ground. I used composite decking boards to finish. More than happy with the outcome.
very robust approach...like it!
Should last 🤞
Never been a huge fan of decking due to the life span of the stuff, but it's looking solid. Viewed one house recently where the decking was dangerous. I'm buying a house in Wallsend with a north facing garden, but having to use a sump pump due to the weather is a totally different problem. Next month the heat wave is meant to hit - a bit differently to London though.
Best of luck! The rain this year has been insane! 😭😭👍
Could have done with watching this two years ago, ended up setting directly into postcrete, and sloping on XS Creosote substitute on the uprights, lots of issues with alignment and future serviceability.
Yeah it's really hard getting alignment in concrete if the posts need to be pre-set. 👍
Luckily can get free wood beams and (decent enough) boards from work so did a huge 24x8ft deck during covid. Also scavenged decent screws and nails, so only really paid for sealer and some of that tape… luckily the Amazon seller sent me double the rolls I ordered so saved loads. 😅 Think the boards will need to be changed in another 7/10 years.
Nooice!
Another great video 👍 what mix did you use for the concrete?
Excellent planning & work as usual Andy!
Will there be any handrails needed for the step? Or any deck lighting?
Cheers! No, I don't think it's high enough to warrant handrails. I'll double check though!
In the spirit of belt and braces, you could add sealant (CT1) around the bit where the joists sit on the posts so that no water can ingest and sit trapped between the shoulder of the support post and the joists.
Yeah did consider that actually! 👍 I think with all the bitumen etc. there's no chance of water wicking in. 🤞
@@GosforthHandyman totally agree but also...
@@GosforthHandyman Jokes aside it might protect the joist wood target than the post
Just watching you use the dpc and rubber pads under the posts and thought if when you still had wet concrete you sunk a few say 10x10mm batons sloping away from the centre,on removal of these batons you would create a channel for the water to drain away to the edge of the pads, thus preserving the base of the posts, what do you think ?.
Very nice job. Did you consider using galvanised stirrups for the support posts?
You might need to check the batteries on that handsaw. Usually they need to be charged overnight.
I think that's where I went wrong! 😂
Could you have made a slight angled cut on the top end of the supporting post? To help prevent water sitting on it, or is this not an issue because it ends up covered by the decking board anyway
So laying the deck that way gives no slip protection as you step onto it from the lounge doors.
Yeah but looks much better and if it turns in to a big problem we'll paint with non-slip paint. As long as it's maintained it shouldn't get slippery. 👍
Great video. Thanks! What did you use to fix the brackets into the concrete squares? I don't think you mentioned it when opening the box with all fixings?
They're concrete screw bolts - separate vid coming up about those. 👍
When cutting wood too big for the blade, instead of turning it twice and cutting the underside, turn it once, line the blade with the previous cut and go for it. You’ll find you don’t get the step in the Final Cut.
With regards to the decking tape yoo used would flashband be a cheaper alternative. I was just wandering. Great video and decking built to last
Not sure! The deck tape looks a feels like gaffer tape... but I think it should 'heal' around the screw holes... apparently. Also I needed nearly 100m of the stuff!
The timber would have straightened out on its own - shame you didn't put it somewhere with weight on it vs. the step.
Excellent job there but for me decking is like block paving, looks lovely when first put down but after a year or two it degrades and is very difficult to keep on top of from a maintenance perspective I have just replaced a massive amount of decking after 12 years with Indian sandstone which weathers much better and will last much longer.
I'm hoping the finish I use will keep it fresh looking. Watch this space!
I see a lot of people using nails to make bases for workshops or sheds, is there a reason why they wouldn't use decking screws? Is it mostly down to price? Anyway, great video! First of yours I've seen and I've subscribed!