Common Modern Reproduction Errors: English Arm Harness (Late 14th to Early 15th)
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2016
- The unique articulated English style arm harness of the late 14th and early 15th century often gets reproduced with improper proportions.
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When Matt Easton (scholagladiatoria) and Nikolas Lloyd (Lindybeige) get their armour, I want a vid of the three duelling each other. That would be simply EPIC.
We'll see.... Lloyd says some crazy things like 'Effigies are inaccurate' even though they've been demonstrated to be some of the most technically accurate depictions of armor next to actual survivals, so hopefully he lets his armorer do his job and comes away with a good harness :)
"Lloyd says some crazy things like 'Effigies are inaccurate' " - Yeah, that rustled my jimmies as well.
Add Skall and his propably-16th-century armour to the fight.
Evrey What about his armor?
Neutral Fellow
Well, Skallagrim is getting a suit of armour as well. And he's thinking about getting a 16th century design, rather than 14th or 15th century.
Would love to see more of this series. The "why" for armor design is very entertaining.
as someone who makes their own armor, every video you make makes me both happy and upset at myself for making something wrong. keep up the great work.
Ha, don't sweat it. We are all learning together! I'm certainly not the final answer on this stuff either, so who knows, a couple years down the line, new research will turn all of our kits on their heads :)
+TheAssassin409 I feel the exact same way. It's great to learn the right way though!
Discreet mail sleeves? Does that mean you're getting a backplate?
Very interesting video! Just one thing about your new impenetrable spaulder....op neft next patch plz ahah :)
Apparently they have finally nerfed it: ruclips.net/video/yEthnD-3FK0/видео.html
Common modern reproduction errors:
1. Condom breaks
2. Catching an STD
3. Putting it in the wrong hole
L iam if a condom breaks it's good for the reproduction, right?
4. Not flushing it yourself.
Would love to see the whole set in all it's glory.
Kit Gibson yes!!
Ian goes into so much detail with each of his videos, it's impossible to watch one and not learn something.
So, I'm really glad you touched on the fact that, while the difference in size might seem "Knit Picky," its actually important because of the way in which every piece of armor interacts with other parts of the kit. The same is true in modern tailoring as well. Not to go on a rant, but for comparison I note a similar concept with the suit jacket's armpit and shoulder fit, specifically where the crown of the sleeve fits to the armscye (armhole). It feels counter intuitive but you want a higher armhole in regards to the way the fit is meant to be to allow for the most range of movement with a minimal to no disruption of the rest of the jacket. It presents a much better silhouette whether hailing a taxi or shaking hands. It also allows for a more comfortable fit as an armpit that is cut too high digs into the underarm and one that is too low drags the rest of the jacket along with the movement. Its similar to your Arming Jacket video and how close fit the arms are.
So again, not meaning to give a full wall of text, but I just wanted to say I'm glad you are addressing how measurements that seem minor are actually rather important because they effect more than just one thing.
I would also say the comparison pictures show how the new mod actually lays closer and better to your arm than the previous. You wouldn't think a seemingly minor modification would make such a visual impact, and I'm sure it makes an impact on the feel and wear.
Edit: Spelling mistakes and grammar.
Absolutely! The modern conception of medieval clothing, and this is largely at the feet of re-enactors buying poor off-the-rack clothing, is that medieval upper body garments were frumpy and ill-fitting. This couldn't be further from the truth. As you well know from modern tailoring, sleeves must fit properly at the sleeve cap with respect to the armpit. I would venture to say it's potentially even more important in some medieval applications than today because from the mid 14th century onward, it was common for your hose to be attached directly to your upper body garment. The compounding problems of poor fit will not just make for poor mobility of the arms, but the entire body as your hose and doublet would be constantly battling each other every time you moved your arms.
This is so fascinating to listen to, thanks for putting the time into making it!
My complements, to your 'disclaimer'-preamble! 'Classy', in the best sense of thw word! Pray, continue to enlighten & inform us good Knight!
I have 6 ancestors that fought in France against the French, 4 were Archers and 2 Men at Arms...........found on the English Medieval soldier records (University of Southampton).....This was just on my mothers side........so i guess there maybe more to find out.......Thanks for the video , made it very interesting.......cheers !
The thing that always strikes me is that armor looks so ‘high tech’ to me. It’s much more thought out than a lot of people would assume and it looks almost ‘futuristic’ with that polish on it.
I’m sure the people of the late 14th century must have felt very similarly.
Thank you so much! To learn such details is a great thing!
Awesome, another awesome video. I don't know why, but waiting for new videos from you seems like waiting for a few months, not weeks. And when a new video is out it's like bliss....
The detail of this video is just amazing.
very nice. I always learn so much from your videos. Thanks!
One of my Favorite videos so far!
As always very interesting. Cant wait to see your new upgraded armour.
thank you very much for all the videos you made. They are the most detailed and best researched I have seen on RUclips. A video about all the different kind of shoes in the late middle ages would be very interesting I think, or generally about fashion development from the 14th through the 15th century and its impact on armour stylistics
Great video!
You're my go-to channel for all my medieval needs.
This was a realy great video!
( as allways)
Lot of useful tips here.
I sometimes make armour so this kind of tips from someone who actually using it in field, not only as costume armour, is realy useful.
From time to time i also training with swords and stuff, but i can never be a subsitute for real field training and dicowering of hidden design flaws, etc.
thinking on it, the reason for the smaller shoulder defenses and lames on the english style would be because of their preference for foot combat vs mounted
mounted combat would make larger sturdier armour more preferable, while at the same time smaller weaknesses in the armour (like the gap between armours/lames and the inside of the upper arm) would be less necesary to defend as there is less chance of the opponents being able to go for them due to your hight and speed advantage
Thanks so much for this. I had planned to get a new German harness, but after watching your vids and reading Toby's new book, I'm really falling in love with English armor and I think I'm leaning that way. It's great to have to visual differences right there in front of me. Man! The study of English effigies right now is so... Crisp? That's the only word that's coming to me. It's the mental equivalent of ripping a head of lettuce in half. Refreshing.
I love all the videos and all the details.
Thank you sir!
Thanks, once again, for more top notch content! I never even noticed the difference between continental and English arms until you pointed it out for me! Then I realised that it is one of the main trademark differences that my lookin' balls were picking up on, but my melon just wasn't processing it!
You're welcome! That phenomenon you're describing is partially why these are often done out of proportion. It's amazing what you don't see on things you stare out when you're not looking for something specific :)
"But your brain did :)"
Great video, good quality.
Excellent as always. I would love to see your input into late 15th century English armour (War of the roses).
Very well studied details!
Excellent video Ian, I see the dedication of a scholar.
I actually have a question surrounding leather elements of armor. George Silver or some other 16th century Englishman remarked how a rapier was unsuited for cutting straps of armor. Some other researchers think Richard III might have lost a piece of his armor during the battle of Bosworth. On top of that we have some data from tournaments were pieces of armor were removed or disabled.
Do you have any idea how common it was for people to come out of battle missing a few pieces of armor here and there? What are the chances one would get the chinstrap of their helmet cut during combat?
I can't really comment on the historical frequency of such occurrences because I have no idea, but I see armor failures occur in modern historical deeds of arms with enough frequency and via modes that I believe would occur historically. Besagews tend to get ripped off a lot. If someone gets a weapon hooked on a besagew and pulls, it usually breaks the point or the leather tab fails, but it usually does its job quite well before then. I tend to see the points fail more than the actual straps, and strap failures I do see are usually because the strap was toward the end of its useful life anyway. Obviously modern Deeds aren't using sharp swords so straps aren't being explicitly cut, but there's probably a good reason the straps tend to be on toward the inboard side of the body and not the out. Then again, Milanese armorers thought nothing of putting a big giant strap dead center on the breastplate for 100 years so it couldn't have been too vulnerable.... that was a really long response to say "i don't really know, but I think it was possible, maybe just not as big a vulnerability as it appears on the surface." :)
I'd much rather have my besagew ripped off than have me pulled to the ground with it.
If a besegew is that firmly attached to the harness that it can't be ripped off, it can pull you to the ground like any other place that can be hooked by a weapon. If a besagew can be ripped off, it hardly makes it of low value. The possibility of it being torn from the harness due to a failed point is still worth its weight if it protects you from the 3 blows that would have penetrated your mail leading up to it being ripped off.
Cutting leather straps isn't that easy if your opponent is standing in front of you and moving around. It's much easier if they're knocked down or otherwise pinned in position - Talhoffer gives a demonstration of pinning someone down and then cutting helmet straps to allow a kill. So yes it can happen, but it's not easy to do just slashing from a distance.
Having an exterior component hooked and pulled off is also quite possible, of course.
People aren't trying to cut the straps, they are trying to kill you so they wouldn't aim for them.
you should make this into a series with all the different parts of the harness
Great video
so the mobility v protection trade off was a factor and was mitigated by moving the parts of the armor joint further up. interesting. being on foot they would need the protection and mobility and this provides an interesting compromise.
In their clothing and armour, they were pretty good at making things fit very closely where movement is needed by putting articulation or seams in the perfect place. Modern replica armour, and clothing, are generally designed for ease of production or removing the need for individual tailoring. Changes the shapes a lot.
I kind of observed the reverse, I thought the spaulders on effigies seemed really small. Good job explaining why, as you say it's very striking.
I've got one of those under my sink. It gets clogged if we put teabags down it.
That kind of blows my mind off that 0 survivals exist of that whole type of armor... One would imagine that at least some would be standing in some castle somewhere.
Great video!
Out of curiosity, how do you tie off the spaulder to your body? Strapping through the mail? Would this pressure through one or two rings be too much to hold up the entire harness or a piece of it?
thanks for all the videos you've done so far. as always professionally done and informative. I know this may not be your area of study, but does the arm style for English armor continue into the 15th century? I mean after you start to see a shift away from hound skull bassinets and globose breastplate.
It persists for a little while, but ultimately gives way to the configuration of wearing large pauldrons instead. Although there are some very late examples that are quite reminiscent of this style of English arm harness.
This is like.....porn.
Are there any other specific regional differences in the armour of that period that you can talk about? Even very small details that could help identify a particular style of one country or region? 'Cause i love this stuff!
There are ! Big ones even ^^
A series would be great !
Knightly Armour around 1400
-Holy Roman Empire
-France
-Italy
etc.
this
Generally there are lots of details that can help you distinguish one harness from another. Especially in the 15th century, but even in the 14th century there were regional variances.
That being said it would take a huge video (or lots of smaller ones) to cover them all since there are so many details
+Knyght Errant Ian, I read the Knight and the Blast Furnace. I was wondering if there was any source that had more joule counts for medieval weapons.
The book covers firearms well, and has decent coverage of arrows and crossbows, but the joule counts for lances, axe, swords and other weapons are unspecific and few.
***** Clearly. I did not imply otherwise.
We need more people to know this.
Hey Ian, great video! I was wondering where you found the information about the English tactical preference for dismounted combat, as I'd like to look more into the subject.
Jacob Plumb It's in a number of their battles the fact they fought on foot. Armour of the English Knight 1400-1450 does cover a few sources and give a brief overall view of English battles from the hundred years war to prove they mostly fought on foot. Just look up on wiki "hundred years war" then follow links into the individual battles. You find the standard English tactic is "dismount men-at-arms, sit on a hill or superior ground, set up archers in front/on the flanks, and let the enemy charge"
Thanks!
Are there any sources or studies into the man-hours required to create specific kits of armour, breastplates, brigandines, mail, gauntlets, helmets and stuff?
Any hints are also welcome.
i wonder, Ian if maybe these preferences for foot fighting maybe made the italian style so popular in england, since we have much more encompassing pauldrons and elbow pieces compared to gothic
From my understanding, and this is not a slight against Italian armors (late 15th Italian is some of my favorite), but Italian export armors were considered the 'cheaper' armors to import for English men-at-arms later in the century. It's not always the case, but often the Italian export stuff ends up on slightly lower-end effigies, suggesting that the guys who could spend on really fancy armor stayed English or chose other sources. Italian preference at the time probably would have scoffed at the idea of dismounted fighting as well.
That's attention to detail
Damn nice job, Ian. Thank you for the insight. Having finally trained in my new harness I was finding it bind and lacking in mobility in the shoulders. So, based on your info, I'm going to have the upper cannons lengthened and shoulders have sliding rivots instead..
Thanks man. I haven't gotten much time in these since they've been modded, so hopefully I can give you some more feedback after I get to wear them some more. I was waiting for Tom's sleeves to get finished up and now I have them so I can see if this new shoulder config works differently. I found the biggest binding and restrictions I have always came from my old mail shirt more than the actual arm harness anyway.
Old shoulder assembly plus new rerebraces equals ideal 14th Century armor...
The rerebraces on the effigies and artwork also seem to have subtle shaping that allows for a closer fit to the bicep, tricep and deltoid. Like all other period pieces, they consist of compound curves. This shaping seems to be missing from your arm harness and the rerebraces seem a tad cylindrical. This shaping and close fit is another element that gives the English arm harness its gracile appearance. It appears that he did get the tulip shape to the vambraces though, which is good.
It's present on the repro as well. In profile the biceps portion of the rerebrace plate is subtly curved to bulge along the peak of the muscle belly and the triceps coverage sweeps in to meet the lames of the vambrace. It's hard to see unless I photograph it at conducive angles. It could be more pronounced, but it's there.
Great stuff... Where do I find somebody to make me realistic German or Italian armor?
Interesting stuff. i think I could live with having this error, but it is interesting.
It would be lovely to see a video where you test the mobility of the arm harness, if there isn't one already
Simple conjecture here: Perhaps it is also to do with body mechanics, given that the deltoid is somewhat covered it is also impaired for movements directly upward of the shoulder, restricting the movement necessary to swing a sword or mace from above the head when on horseback, given the lack of need in English men at arms to wave their arms above their head (given they likely used more thrusting techniques with a pole-arms or arming sword) it seems reasonable that this added arm protection also came at a slight cost to range of movement.
Having never been in these armors, I'd be interested to hear your take on it, given that you have the unique perspective of having worn both.
Are the english arms one solid assembly in the mid 15th century? I'm talking about the larger, but still symmetrical english pauldrons like on Sir John Newton or Thomas Torrell, Esquire. It looks like maybe they're the same as yours, but wrap around more in the front and back and have gaurdbraces over them. Or are they Italian exports and therefore made in separate pieces? I would love to hear your thoughts!!
I'm surprised that given how much additional protection English knights seem to give to their arms, they leave such large gaps around their armpit on the front.
Besagews became popular again toward the turn of the 15th century (a big metal disk or oblong plate that hangs in that gap), but it's not always an easy place to protect because you need mobility through that region.
Knyght Errant You probably don't have enough time to do this, but I think a Frankenarmor video would be fitting for Monday :)
When you consider that the man at arms may well be fighting with an open visor, and that harnesses without back plates were common in this era, the few square inches of exposed armpit (which still have mail over them) don't seem like such a big deal.
Have you hever considered to add any form of embellishment or decoration other than fine polish? Feather on your helmet, coats, paintings, etc. If it's not something to wear in battle, then perhaps for the purpose of parade or tournament. Was it common at all for Men-at-Arms in England?
I stay away from the fancy adornment specifically because within my living history group, I portray a landed esquire in service to our minor knight. Not being a knight myself in that context, I try to avoid the more 'knightly' adornments on my kit.
On a side note; what is the earliest example of bear paw sabatons?
Interesting. You've mentioned mail sleeves - you'll be getting a backplate? :)
Which do you prefer for comfort? the English or Continental harness?
I can see the argument for both but I do know that moving the arm above the shoulder can produce some binding of the spaulder is too big. Like in how my Lamellar can bind up on the rest of my arm armor.
In this case it shouldn't matter- spaulders in this era should be small and fitted enough for that not to happen. It's only the later C15th pauldrons (or wider spaulders) that can bind. Those are a subject for their own "modern reproduction errors" video.
I have an interesting question. I'm designing a fantasy armor that I want to keep grounded in reality, at least as far as functionality. One of the things I want to do is, on the shoulder assembly, have a sort of reversed spaulder, where the big plate is actually a part of the rerebrace, and the lames run over the top of the shoulder. I wanted to know if that design would be as effective as the normal design for the shoulder assembly, or if it is actually less protective, to the point that the normal design would be the better option.
Look up the 'almain collar.' You'll see there are 16th century examples of where the shoulder defense is made up of _nothing but lames_ that eventually tie into a plate gorget. There is no spaulder or cop to speak of, just lames. That might be an option for you.
I have a question if anyone can answer: Is it safe to use velcro on the inside of a helmet to provide easily movable/removable padding?
I can see the prober English version to be more comfortable to the person wearing it if there's some binding in the elbows, the longer brace wouldn't dig into the bicep as much and even more importantly when receiving a blow in that region wouldn't dig in.. The longer it is the more it is supported by the underlying layers and more to compress. at 0:54 you can see it, that short brace is already pushing into the bicep with gravity alone.
9:57 You just explained perfectly what I hate in fantasy armor pauldrons or really any joint in them. Always curved outwards to a point making the perfect armor for someone that wants to die in battle. No need for precise point control on your sword aim anywhere and the "armor" will guide your blade right into the squishy insides. pits and groin? Naw aim at anything.
After modifying your upper arm harness, did you notice any significant change in the performance of the armor? Increase in stability, did it perhaps diminish your freedom of motion at all, any changes at all whatsoever?
hey love your videos! I was curious what type of metal you used for your armour?
Hi, thank you. Most of my armor is made from 1050 spring steel, hardened and tempered, various gauges depending on where the plate is located.
Thank you so much for the response
On the Wikipedia article for warfare in Medieval Scotland, it says that Scotland may have (even on the article it points out an element of speculation) been the first to have their men-at-arms dismount and fight on foot, and the English may have then adopted it. Of course Wikipedia does not have the greatest record for reliability, so I was wondering: did the Scottish have their men-at-arms dismount and fight on foot like the English? If so, is it possible that they were the first to use that tactic?
Was there any mobility lost with the redesign? It looks much stiffer (obviously) but smaller (also obvious), so I'm wondering if it's a wash or if your range of motion changed.
When I get my mail sleeves back I will demonstrate the mobility. The mobility is pretty good because of the speculative pointing system we're using, but that will be explained in the future when I can show it.
It's ironic that the old ones were clearly superior in this regard.
Aren't brass buckles on armor an anachronism?
I'm curious how the main functional difference for fighting lower on foot is preventing upward stabs from below... That doesn't seem intuitive but maybe says something about common attacks recieved from pollaxes?
Coming to think of how i hold a pollaxe, it's usually held queue forward with my left arm up, which would those make gaps in the lames quite vulnerable.
Beyond the pollaxe top spike and queue spike, thrusts with the spear and a sword held at half-sword tend to probe armor from below level as well.
It all makes sense, it just seems strange at first that people fighting from higher elevation have less protection from upward thrusts.I suppose it helps understand the nature of dismounted fighting :)
not trying to nitpick, but wouldn't horseback/on foot be a strategic decision,
that would come with their own array of tactical options to customise that choice?
i have a question! what do you think of the helmet used by maximus in the film gladiator, and how would you change it to make it more effective?
Context is everything- roman helmets were optimised for their style of fighting, their likely opponents, and the industry they had available. Same as medieval designs. He'd have been safer in a bascinet or armet, but it would be technically difficult to produce, overkill, and uncomfortable.
Awesome presentation! Question:, would this style of arm harness be able to have besagews? if so where? Thanks!
It depends on the specific time period. This style of arm harness was used in England for essentially the duration of the second half of the 14th century through the bulk of the early 15th century. Besagues were briefly popular right around the middle decades of the 14th, then fell out of favor and re-emerge in the opening decades of the 15th century. So if those two windows align, then yes they could be used together.
Ok got it thanks.
I do wonder what if a sallet and a Brodie helmet were combined? would it just look stupid or might it be functional
You mean like these?
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Knyght Errant, do you know who belongs to the effigy that is on the left side of the video at 8:36? I have a brass effigy that has the same crosses in the same positions and I couldn't find any information about it
Thomas Beauchamp, 1369, 11th Earl of Warwick
Thanks alot Ian! You helped solve something thats been puzzling me for years! Its really cool that it ends up being him!
Glad to help!
watching you (sort of) struggle every time you lift that arm up to show the camera
it has me wondering whether plate armour takes more than cosmetic damage from swords
(not asking about maces, maces can total a car, never mind an armoured knight xD )
cracking good video
any body know what they used to protect there arms in the early 14th century
Here's a timeline of arm harness development - ruclips.net/video/uiDZ35_Ym3A/видео.html
I knew their was something about English armor what made it look oddly different! :D I love my countries armor just a little more
country's armour!
In a lot of reproduction harnesses, there's a very conspicuous gap at the top of the shoulder and around the arm hole of the breastplate. Was this the case with contemporary armor, or is it a reproduction error? s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b4/e9/65/b4e965ddcff7db8d64b77ccced8da5f1.jpg
Yes, that gap is common target in treatises on armored combat. It would have been protected by the underlying mail shirt or mail sleeves (the guy in the photo should have mail on), and by the aventail and mail collar to some extent. In the middle of the 14th century besagews (round or oblong discs of plate) were also worn in this gap , and then they regained popularity in the beginning of the 15th century. If the arm hole of the breastplate is extended to cover that gap it severely restricts the range of motion of the shoulder and arm to unacceptable levels. The eventual solution was larger pauldrons or the continued use of besagews. in addition to the mail voiders, sleeves or shirt.
If you still have the old, and would be open to selling, I'd buy them.
I have done some digging but I cant find any good quality medieval armor for sale all I get is cheep Hollywood types of armor any info or links to good websites that sale midlevel armor would be appreciated thanks.
The reason it's hard to just give a bunch of websites (I get this question a lot) is that good armor is much more the domain of individual craftsmen building armor to an individual client. For a full plate harness, too many components require a custom fit. Some components are more forgiving than others and can be purchased 'off-the-peg' and built to measure like a helmet, and for good affordable semi-custom helmets I always recommend a place like Matul's in Poland or somewhere similar (www.matuls.pl/index.php?Lng=en) For a full harness though, the best path is to find an armorer you're willing to travel to for measurements and fittings.
Did the English start using hardened armour at the same time as the practice started in the continent?
I'm not sure if we know, as there are only a small handful of survivals, not enough to tell us. I'm personally unaware of any records that would indicate one way or the other. Even on the continent it seemed to be more common in Italy than elsewhere in the beginning.
My intention is to assemble a kit somewhere around 1333 to 1413 Spain . But I need help most of what I see cam find is German and English . I envision my character to be a later son of a Spanish noble from the due to river area who has left to make his own fortune by hireing out to various lords and their wars then changing carrer s to work as merchant security and traveling the world along the silk road and beyond.now returning to Spain after 10 to 20 years abroad.
Any thoughts?
I would imagine staying with the chain mail haubrack and Chaucer under plate with gambeson and chauses under the mail.
Simce I am thinking of sport combat I may very well need a little more.modern padding beneath the gambeson layer. So I am thinking 3 to 4 layers in total. With an admitted slight consession of movement in favor of protection and more foot soldier than horse.
Before you can really dive into any sort of focused research, I would strongly recommend narrowing your date of focus to something like a 10 year span at most. 1333-1413 covers almost 4 generations of changing equipment. A man in 1333 would be absolutely blown away by seeing the 'space age' equipment that his counterpart in 1413 wore into battle.
From what little I can find in thought such a narrow field would leave me with only one or 2 examples at best .
Ok let's say 1333 to 1343 then and I'll have to adjust from there due to safety amd cost .
I imagine that medieval gear debates by men of the day were no different than those of modern tactical gear today. Heated and accompanied by beer.
What type of steel is your armour made of?
1050 spring steel, hardened and tempered
Knyght Errant what do you use to keep it so well polished? My arm harnesses look aweful in comparison. If you could do/have a maintenance and polishing vid that would be really helpful.
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wow im three shades of green. looks great .how much did all your gear cost. im still trying to save enough for a mail shirt , but dont worry when battle is joined i will be right behind you, no literally remember us peasants need heroes to shame us into fighting with our poor kit. haha great job with the vids thank you
I really feel like he was born to be a knight and he can't because its 2018 but he does this instead with his massive willpower and autistic love of the quirks of killing. Me I was born to be a landskencht and idk you get what i mean.
you would murder my ass
i'll take the old shoulder pieces if you dont want em XD
So, did they juat stop making this style as the 15th century drew on? Switching to continent made armours?
The English both imported and made native armors, but as the 15th c drew on, even the native English armors began to feature larger pauldrons as opposed to the small shoulder defenses you see on this style of arm harness.
@@KnyghtErrant i believe we've talked through facebook, this type of armour has become my favourite (being english), but doesnt seem to match the time period of the reenactment group i wish to join.
@@michaelpitt783 Wars of the Roses, right? This is a mid 15th century armor of native English style as opposed to an Italian import. - effigiesandbrasses.com/3621/3204/
Here's a very good modern repro of an early Wars of the Roses era native English armor as well (c1459) - wassonphotos.smugmug.com/Hungerford-Armour/
Can't help but notice how popular mustaches seem to be among men at arms and knights of the time. What's the story there ?
I'm not sure there's much to it beyond mustaches and forked bears were pretty a popular fashion in the 14th century.
Not being "that guy" who tries to nitpick tiny flaws in armour design, genuinely curious here.
How much damage can the rivets in the moving sections take? If you took a nasty hit from a heavy weapon would the shoulder section be any more likely to suffer severe damage that would injure or hinder the movement, more so than on the rerebrace for example? Also how does it compare to the leather in terms of shock absorption? Does the more ridged riveted style impart less force than the presumably less solid leather construction?
Excellent vid as always :D
One benefit I neglected to mention of riveted articulation vs leather is this: When you strike a lame on leather articulation, it tends to distribute the force over that lame and over the lames below it. When you strike a lame on a riveted articulation it tends to distribute force both up and down more easily, which is beneficial to the guy in the armor, but as is always the balancing game, riveted articulation tends to be less mobile. You'd really have to smash them pretty good to break the articulation. Armor wasn't necessarily designed to stay perfect after a serious battle, it may have needed repair or replacement. We tend to expect a much longer life out of our armor modernly than I believe they would have.
I would like to translate this video to the Spanish, so that the community of Spanish can can in practice your lessons, you frankly we need
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If you happen to be one of those that can only afford Indian made armor like me; do not bother to post anything on the Facebook group 15 century medieval Armour. the Elitists rich boys will ridicule you . Just saying...
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Every time I see your beautiful armor I am a bit disappointed that the breastplate is only covering the front of the body. I get a bit OCD over that I think.
Well that's how most late 14th century (uncovered) breastplates looked like.