NEW Tesla Model 3 Performance Review // More Like POOformance, Amirite?
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2024
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The 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance ($72,003 starting in Canada,$49,130 USD with federal rebate) has seen some significant changes aiming to help improve its sporting capabilities. This includes Track Mode V3, adaptive dampers, more power, better ‘track-ready’ brake pads, new tires and several other upgrades. But just how far do these new changes go towards improving the Model 3 Performance’s… performance? And how does it stack up when pushed to the limit on the Throttle House test track? Thomas and James are excited to find out!
Huge thank you to @theicedtay for loaning us their Model 3 Performance
Videography: Karston Chong and Daniel Mason
Editing: Daniel Mason
Sound: Harrison Dickson, Daniel Mason
Magical Genius Logistics Planners: James Engelsman and Joey Alford
Was present: Thomas Holland
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I used to be a tesla tech, havent worked on these new model 3s, but the older ones were very underbuilt for the track. The base -> performance was a bigger drive unit in the back, upgraded dampers (they didnt feel very different), bigger brakes (larger front caliper and front sized rear rotors), 255s over 235s, and a lip spoiler. It felt VERY undersupported for its power and weight, and the tires were very stretched out on the wheel. The wheels are 9.5" if im remembering right, which a 265-285 would fit comfortably without rubbing. Since the front brakes werent any larger, either, it had similar issues in the video where they'd overheat, because they're not a sizable upgrade. On the service side, it was only beneficial because we could still fit 18" over the brakes need be. At least they kinda tried this time, but the brakes look identical to the pre facelifted version. Also the lip spoilers fall off often
I love how you explained all this and so many people aren’t gonna pay attention because egos and feelings matter more than non anecdotal evidence…😅 le 😔
@@LafemmebearMusicthe people don’t like the empirical
My previous gen model 3 performance has the 20 inch wheels but they’ve always run a 235 square setup. For me the biggest difference came down to power and the PS4S tires. Suspension was slightly better. I did the OEM track upgraded pads and fluid which made a WORLD of a difference
So in other words they are built like crap. Shocker
No…they are actually extremely reliable and durable cars…built for a purpose.
So, one of the latest Misha Charoudin's videos had the Model 3 Performance doing a lap of the Nordschleife. According to that owner, the brake overheating warning comes not from brakes actually overheating, but because Tesla's software estimates the possibility of overheating by tracking how hard the brake pedal is pushed. Which is, LOL. It's likely that the brakes were fading during Thomas's lap, but not fully gone. On the other hand, Misha couldn't do even half of a lap of Nordschleife with the Model 3 Performance's stock brakes, either.
The brakes were on fire in Mishas video 😂
Half a lap Nordschleife is 10km full send Misha. I mean 10km is not good for a performance version, but half a lap sounds like 50sec.
Thanks for this info, I trust Misha a lot so it is good to hear he found the same thing
@@xtianeskay5166 the brakes were on fire at the top of Foxhole, just before Adenauer Forst, so about 7km. Most of that is medium speed corners, not a lot of heavy braking. Third of a lap, :/
Thomas says in the video he only did one lap because the brakes went squishy, not because of the warning light. That being said, pretty unforgivable to cheap out on actually sensing the temperature and trying to just do it via software. But that's just the same as every other component of every Tesla car, so...
For some context about the mud flaps - they are a Tesla accessory that’s generic across all the models. There’s actually a small and large flap (you can see in the video that they have a line in between separating them). The large ones always scrape on model 3’s so anyone who buys them is advised to only use the small one. THAT SAID, Tesla doesn’t actually communicate that so when I had a Model 3 years ago I had the same problem. Eventually I removed the extensions and just used the smaller flaps and they were fine.
Do the mudflaps come standard on the M3P, or was this an option selected by the owner?
It’s not a truck. Therefore it does not need ugly ass mud flaps
@@JohnDoe-vh4rt I believe they're standard in Canada, but optional (after purchase) in the US
I bought a new Model 3 Performance a few weeks ago in the U.S.. They do not come with mud flaps.
@@printertonerThey may have changed it, but they weren’t standard on my 2023. I assume there’s a rule about the advertised range needing to be with the standard equipment.
Regardless, such a weird thing for them to do so poorly. I want to protect the Tesla-thin paint from rocks, and the snow/slush I drive in. The short ones are too small, and the long ones scrape basically all the time.
$55 later and you still end up laying on the garage floor with a pair of garden shears.
I actually like the redesign. They just really need to work on suspension and brakes. The Ioniq 5N can do laps at the Nordschlife back to back. This can barely do two laps at the Throttle House test track.
Overheating and thermal issues is the biggest problem. Not sure how much like the design though. If anything it's just .. meh okk. Rear looks bland and the front looks like a Chinese fish thing. 😂 interior looks like a $5k company car. Sheezus
This car started burning after half a lap on the ring
Ioniq 5N is $20k more.
@@PEACEOUTXX1god. Once u see the "chinese fish" u dont unsee it. 😂😂
@@PEACEOUTXX1 yeah, i've always thought the front end of Teslas looks like a carp.
I'm always surprised how different Throttle House, Savage Geese and Jason Cammisa's takes on the same car are. They're probably the three car reviewers I trust the most so I guess I just have to figure out who's driving style matches mine more and go with their take. Seems like Jason reviews more from the perspective of who the car is for and what it's mission is and how well it achieves that mission whereas TH is more about the details of the driving experience and SG goes into engineering and value details. I guess we have to pick which outlet is most like us and go with their take. or try to average all three.
Different reviewers all have different perspectives and biases - I don't think it'd ever be a good approach for someone to buy a car based on a review, no matter how much they trust the reviewer. I find the only way really is to pick all the negatives that each of them find and use that as a list of things to look out for when test driving a car myself. That said, I feel like 90% of cars are bought on the basis "but my mate said these are good yeah" (99% of Golf R drivers 🤣 Not bad cars, but most owners are oblivious to that...).
For me, usually TH are one of the most useful in terms of the sort of issues they highlight, along with others like JayEmm. On the extreme opposite end, Chris Harris only really reviews cars on the basis of how well they can go sideways on a private track day, while totally ignoring all aspects relevant to road use, which doesn't especially translate well to anything I'm ever likely to do even on a track day 😄 Savage Geese have a great approach, but I do find they sometimes focus heavily on some details that I find have tiny impacts on my experience so the relevance in their case is perhaps the least consistent, at least compared to my own experience.
@@ApothecaryTerry 'looking for issues reviewers brought up' is a great approach
I find all reviewers you mentioned sway on the side of enthusiast take, not everyone's main role of every vehicle they have is meant to tackle socal canyons full-time nor are we sitting here nitpicking about how soft the dash is
I prefer the examination of the value propositon that gets brought up by savagegeese, as are actual long term reviews from owners, not a 2 min ridealong or 2 day feel press vehicle
@@lawrencelin272 I agree that most reviewers focus on fast driving - it's why I often don't like the cars that get the best reviews! I love fast driving, but it's almost impossible to spend more than 10% of the time doing it really, so what the car is like the rest of the time matters a lot.
We also all have different priorities in cars too. Some people aren't bothered by previous-gen Mercedes having screens that looked outdated in the 90s, attached to trim made of plastic of a quality that would embarrass a kebab van; all because they love the styling. Others, like me, don't care if the exterior is ugly, but won't buy a car with a bad interior (since that's where I sit) - I'd happily own a current M3/4, as long as I don't see anything reflective 😁
Stupid examples, obviously, but you get the sensible point behind them I'm sure!
@@ApothecaryTerry happy motoring sir
@@lawrencelin272 You too!
That customized entry sound had me in stitches. 🤣🤣
Where is that from?
I don't care a thing about EV's and here I am watching a Model 3 review. These guys are truly exceptional.
Yeah I love the channel, EVs are just boring slop though.
Same here!
@@dandylion1987 eh im a true car guy i like all innovations if they ran on water i would still enjoy it for what they are i dont hate on it because of what fuel it runs on, but enjoy it for what differences they bring
@@kidamere2408 not liking EVs doesn’t preclude you from being a car enthusiast. Stop trying to make that link
@@dandylion1987 Not liking EV's doesn't make you a better car enthusiast either, which is the more common attitude you see.
And FYI, I’ve been watching you guys for years. Best car reviews you can watch on RUclips hands-down. You guys are funny, good friends, you know how to drive, down to earth, and I’ll always watch you guys. Thanks for the content!
I really appreciate this being such a fair review. I'm really sick of people sneering over EVs and flat-out making things up, but this called out the actual problems and praised what it does well. No bias visible, well done guys.
Great daily for most people, with plenty of fun to offer without being robbed by BMW, and simply not a track car. It’s a pretty simple situation, but the folks need things to complain about to distract from their own unhappiness 🤷♂️ same as ever
People who make fun of and bash EVs are making the same silly kinds of arguments that someone would make when they try to tell you iPhone is superior to Android, Ford over Chevy, Intel vs AMD. They're all the same thing. A Pixel phone is the same thing as an iPhone just aimed at a different set of personal preferences and sometimes price bracket. An EV is the same thing as an ICE vehicle just aimed at a different set of personal preferences and price bracket. They're two ways of achieving the same goal. Yes, one runs on gas and one runs on electrons but the only real difference between an EV and an ICE is the cost of ownership which is where the EV comes out ahead: cheaper fuel, much less maintenance, much cheaper insurance, tax incentives, ect. Other than that, it's personal preference and what fits your lifestyle best. One is not fundamentally or objectively better than the other. One is subjectively better than the other depending on your circumstances and personal preferences.
@Epicacactus i think some of those complaints are valid especially when tesla themselves says shatter your lap times etc etc on their website for the m3p. But theres a reason its priced as low as it is. I'm sure if they did give it the full track treatment, the price would be more in line with an ioniq 5n
I quite like EVs actually. But I refuse to like a car that looks like an upscaled Chinese toy car.
@@xliquidflames Not really. There's a lot of ways that EVs are still objectively worse at than ICE cars. Like as mentioned tracking, and towing with EVs sucks as we've seen multiple times with TFL's testing. Even the cost of ownership isn't as big of a difference as you might think. As Car and driver found out with their long term Model 3 test these more powerful EVs eat through their tires like crazy, and those special tires aren't cheap either. Extreme temperature also greatly effects EVs useability as we saw what happened in Chicago last winter.
You basically need to be a homeowner with a garage to store and charge your EV for them to be the most viable. If you like to travel a lot, definitely would think twice about purchasing any EV that can't use the Tesla charging network. Moistly just good replacement for a econobox, other than that if you just wanna beat most unmodded cars in the 1/4 mile EVs are good for that. A hybrid is probably still a much more viable choice for the masses.
Had a 2020 performance, now have a 24 performance. It’s marginally better at everything it was alright at. The redesign is fine. The only thing that is notably worse are the tires. It used to come on Michelin 4S, but now it has Pirelli’s which have no stick and are overstretched. Having said that, it’s a commuter and that’s about it. My 95 Miata is for fun :)
hello fellow M3P and Miata owner
😎
How's the ride? I thought that my 2020 M3P was a bit busy and crashy while I had it. For a "performance" that's a bit expected so I'm curious if it's improved.
Oh lord, Pirellis are complete junk. I have no clue why they come on any car. They have very little road feel
Couldn't you just change the tires and fix that problem?
Ehh. I don’t find the Miata that fun to drive. Only thing it has going for it is a manual.
this content seriously rivals prime top gear. thanks for keeping that part of my childhood alive.
Them + Jason Cammisa
i think i have seen this comment on every video for 3 years straight
I think it's better than top gear now
@@HShango Yeah... I can't disagree with you. And I reckon it's because it feels like there's less 'writers room' on the screen.
Its miles better than top gear and anything else out there. Period
Ironically the US version of this car does extremely well at the Dragstrip. They really designed this car to excel at straight line performance and not for cornering. The 5N is definitely the better car for road courses. However, the US version runs 10s in 1/4 mile as long as you use Insane Mode and heat the battery. That is where it excels the most.
Agreed and when you consider the price for performance it’s about the best value there is.
The N is the better car for extended track time but for one lap the 3 is quicker based on TH track times.
@@piksnapperhow is the model 3 quicker. The 5N is literally above it on their leaderboards. Lmfao.
"and I'm Jaaaaaaaaaaames!!" 😂😂😂🙌🏽🔥
Funny that youtube has put 'translate to english' under your comment!
I didn't know this version would fall apart like this, especially when Tesla had so much time to refine this model.
Easy explanation. They were working on their first new model in a decade: the Cybertruck 👍
@@buttistedsuidice3296 And they failed even worse with that... Heck it doesnt even support BASIC "autopilot".
THIS IS THE BEST CAR CONTENT ON RUclips PERIOD!!!
I have same car, but black interior. Lot of car for the $. It’s great. Track wise I would look elsewhere.
Lot of car? Model 3 interior looks like something Uber would give to their drivers that's a throwaway car. 😂 front looks like a Chinese fish and the rear looks like basic traffic. Idc how quick it is.. if it's without looking good while doing it and no exhaust note or even a gauge cluster screen, HUD, or scroll wheel for the screen it's not a cool or fun car. Yea for average joes that have never been able to afford something quick it's a way for them to finally feel validated but that's all I see.
Love me a nice early morning TH drop! 👌🏼
This. This is the new grand tour. The trio is now a duo.
Absolutely, just needs more extended roadtrips.
So basically, Tesla is not as good as Hyundai and adding performance that works well. On the first side, look how far Hyundai has come. Maybe Tesla we'll learn in the future.
Just picked one up last week and here's what I've noticed so far... First off the price. I got $10,500 off of MSRP with the tax incentives, state incentives, and loyalty/referral program. PLUS in the state that I live in, there was no sales tax either (another $1,000 and change saved). So for the price it was kind of a no brainer.
As a previous F80 M3, LC500, Model Y Performance, and random RAM 1500 Limited (with the air suspension) owner, I love this car for my daily use. It has an eerie go-kart like feeling when it comes to the steering, which I first noticed in the Tesla MYP which is nice (I guess...), and I honestly love the drive compared to the M3 and LC500. The power is, well, it is what it is. You can just breathe on the throttle and you'll be 15 mph over the speed limit without realizing it.
The suspension is what I'm really enjoying though. Compared to the M3 and LC500 it is without a doubt more comfortable. Big bumps are still big bumps, but even those don't throw my brain around like my Model Y Performance does. Even compared to the RAM 1500, I prefer it. Pick up trucks have a weird way of dealing with bumps at speed, making them feel very uneasy, even with the air suspension. The Model 3 Performance just deals with it so much better and with what feels like confidence.
On top of everything, for my 60+ miles of commuting daily, I pay what amounts to be $3-4 of charging at home. In terms of a daily driver, I couldn't be happier with this decision. It's more than comfortable enough for my commute, faster than I'll ever need, and handles well enough to take up to the mountains and drive in a spirited manner. I know Tesla gets a lot of flack for their vehicles, but as someone who's been lucky enough to have experienced the cars he has, I can honestly say they've done a brilliant job with this one. I'm just sorry to my fellow NJ residents that waited and will be losing out on not having to pay sales tax starting in October!
Great review as always guys, thanks for the time and effort you put into all of your videos!
OTOH, you would spend about the same amount for that commute with a Honda Civic Hybrid. And it is available for about $30K.
@@jimiverson3085 I don’t personally know about that cars mileage and cost to run. I just happen to be in a place in my life where I could spend the extra money on a vehicle like this. Plus with my personal experience with Tesla so far, it’s been reliable and I haven’t had any issue yet (luckily)! The new model 3 performance just suits my needs and wants. Then again I miss ICE vehicles too and the sweet sweet noises they make. I might just be getting old though and am fine with just listening to my music or nothing while driving. And my wife definitely prefers it too lol
Nobody cares
I hear ya, I got mine two weeks ago. It's funny how just last month I didn't know a lot about EVs and now I consider myself knowledgeable in both ICE and EVs. For the cost and what it offers with performance and comfort, its hard to beat. The road/wind noise is way lower than my previous car. The stock sound system is really nice and it just feels good, its all techie.. I'm a tech guy, have to have the latest in everything. Sure I miss the engine sounds, loud revs, downshifting, pops and burbles of my previous car but this one just feels fast, planted, and instant speed. Chill mode 6.5s, Standard mode 3.7s, Insane mode 2.9s, 510hp. It is a blast in the highway or doing 0-60s from the light. Sure its not he best "track" car or it didn't do multiple laps at nurburgring but hey you can use a different car for those if you want. Charge at night and you're back to full so it is a really good daily driver. It's hard to please people and its funny how most people will bash on EVs till they drive it and like it. Who cares, drive what you want and have fun with it. I'll still drive and EV and I'll still drive an ICE, people need to stop being so threatened by what they see online. No ones forcing EVs down your throat, it seems like the only people who really care what you drive are those who like to complain. For the price I paid for mine its almost a steal. Maybe I'll upgrade again in 2 years (bad habit) 🤣
@@jimiverson3085 But that car is slow as hell and rides way worse.
End of the day, it definitely is underbraked there Thomas, but just for the sake of questioning... do you think it might have preformed better overall using a higher regen setting? Yes, you add more battery load, but shedding even 30% of the braking gs into the battery instead of the rotors might have been a big benefit to this particular track. [Completely armchair, no stanning involved]
@@anthonyschroeder521 this is a really good point, actually
Regen would overheat the battery sooner
normal brakepads on model 3 are very soft because you brake only in case of emergency, for track Tesla always offered different brakepads and tires
What's with tesla people always justifying reasons why their car sucks. Tesla cult fan base gotta be the most delusional 🤓 ever. This car is a mess.
@@jezza6575well not after three turns, probably a lap, but at least he could have done a full lap
Literally, the only people that could get me to watch and also enjoy an electric car video. Outstanding work as always, guys 🤝🏼
James’s demonstration of the custom lock sound in the end is why I smashed the Like button! 😂
The best part of the comments on Tesla videos is finding the fanboys who have to defend EVERY criticism without conceding that the car may not be perfect. Literally people in the comments saying it’s only a big brake kit, new tires, and coil overs away from being a good track car, completely unironically, like that’s just a simple 10k to drop on a brand new “performance” branded car. Do those mods to a base 330i or A4 and they would probably be a much better track car than this, at least in terms of fun, reliability, and consistency.
Now, I have seen multiple Tesla’s at track days when I go, and more often than not they either can’t do a full day of multiple sessions, or they have to be trailered home due to the lack of sufficient range to get to the track, lap, and back home. That’s just not what I am looking for in a “performance” car with a track mode.
Yes, the fanboys are tiresome and silly. The flipside of that are the haters who insist that it's awful in *every single way.*
Yes, it's a mediocre track car. It's disappointing that the brakes can't take any punishment, especially when they're supposedly using "track pads". Even if you upgrade the brakes and suspension, you'll run into problems with the battery overheating, because it doesn't have enough cooling for sustained track use. And the fact that it has a "track mode" when it can't handle the track is questionable.
On the flipside, it's an entirely different experience on the road - which is where most of them are going to stay - and I think it's a shame that the video focused on the track. In my experience, it was an absolute hoot to chuck down a country road, and a vast improvement on the pre-refresh Performance in how it feels on the road. Thomas suggests that it's still under-damped, but I found it perfectly tuned to handle crappy road surfaces and remain composed and confident through bends at sane speeds. The bolstering may not be enough for 10/10ths, but it's great for a twisty road, without being uncomfortable on longer drives. The steering is very precise, and Tesla's throttle mapping is sublime - it makes *other EVs* feel unresponsive in comparison, let alone anything with a combustion engine.
It's a crap choice for the track. It's a great daily driver that doesn't sacrifice much, while being genuinely good fun on a good road. As James says in the conclusion.
I think they are missing the point of this review. The review focused on track performance to see whether this model improved over the last one. It did, but not enough to be used on track. Which is ok, there are other cars for that.
I drive an F87 M2 and have to live with compromises in daily driving but I can push the car all day at the track. The Model 3 Performance is without a doubt better daily car.
Cars not perfect but none are - most people not driving on track even with this spec - as a road car, literally nothing better dollar wise so yeah you’re sorta making a moot point
That is fair. I have owned Teslas since 2015 - now a S Plaid previous 22 Model 3P.. great tech, easy to drive as in effortless, quick as expected. But not exciting to me. I choose my LC 500 almost every time. I have sold all but my Model S Plaid - thankfully bought it used and cheaper then many paid, but I think I am going to sell it - after 10 years with Teslas, I think it’s time to move on completely. I still want a truck never owning one, and don’t want full size so looking at a pre-owned Rivian R1T for $50k as my 4 door.
These two just talking about the car, completely unscripted is just the most insightful passionate conversation.
The pricing they list for the US only works with a grey car with black interior. The other colors don’t qualify for the tax credit.
Are the other colors more expensive, pushing it over the price threshold?
White interior is free, so you can get grey car with white interior and still qualify.
@@volvo09 Correct, every other color is at least 1k.
You guys need to create the new prime utomotive journalism trio with Jason camissa, we lost the old timers
I wonder if the traction control is using the brakes and that's causing them to overheat. Is that something the software lets you get rid of?
I certainly dosen't help...
Kind of weird how other evs can do at least one lap of the Nurburgring, but teslas tend to overheat the brakes by 1/3 a lap, and overheat the battery by 2/3 a lap.
Only the plaid with the ceramic brakes can do a full lap without the brakes killing themselves...it still goes into reduced power, but i feel its acceptable for how much power it puts down.
In EVs you very rarely find traction control using brakes since the motor output can be changed many times per second, lowering power if too much slip is detected. Using the brakes would be very inefficient.
The reason for the overheating is they didn’t use track mode with full regen braking. Thomas cooked the brakes because they’re not great but also wasn’t getting the help from regen that track mode is designed for. I have done several hard laps without cooking the brakes because I take advantage of full regen to save the brakes as much as possible.
@@wendystacos7447 Sounds solid - Tesla not having official media people probably makes stuff like an oversight with the braking more likely. I'm sure track fans swap breaks and put more serious shocks and springs under the car. There has intermittently been a track package for the M3P as well. I have a 2021 M3P and as a road car the only thing I've ever wished for was more grip. It handles benignly but is so quick that being able to carry more speed into a corner would improve the car from a performance perspective. But Telsa is so clever at balancing range, efficiency, weight, and performance... I find it hard to criticize loudly. But I don't drive on a track.
@@davids1816 absolutely - IMO it’s the ultimately daily driver. Comfortable, handles well, efficient, quicker than 99% of vehicles on the road. The fact that this car (not even the full power USA version) ends up on this list with cars twice the cost is ridiculously good. The reality is, they were way over expecting on track performance from a $47k car. It punches above its weight class is really cool, but they have to remember what this really is
just watched an old video of you reviewing a lightweight flywheel on your 325 and its amazing how even back then you were so professional and articulated. its impressive everything you guys have accomplished!
Quietest lap ever... I feel empty
play some i heart radio
what a good video to wake up to
I love mine. I dont track it and I wont but as a car to enjoy on the roads, its extremely good.
Regardign the price, Tesla had a target which was the tax credit. If it cost 10k more they wouldn't get the tax credit. Ultimately for mid $40s its unreal value!
Same, It's like the perfect car for me. Stupid fast, comfortable, quiet enough for me at least, efficient and cheap af to run. A car like this was basically impossible 20 years ago.
Morning to you too, Thomas and James.
Thanks for the honest review. These are the criticisms Elon himself should be making. How can the performance version not have improved brakes and springs? I think it's just lazy engineering. Not everything can be "fixed" with a software update.
Because they understand the market. First of all, this is just a turned up version of the base car. This is not an RS/GT3 style car, it was never marketed as such.
It's high performance daily driver that also does well through the canyons and blows away just about everything else on the interstate.
i did about 4 laps with my STi with stock brakes before they faded to death, did 3 with my model 3 performance .. i dont expect street pads to hold track use specially on a car that would not use brake pads on a daily driving scenario. its a tough place for engeneers to make a pad that can do a full emergency stop while completely cold and then have the same pad do time attack run on the local track. but totally agree, suspension could be upgraded for track.. if this was a track focused car. i would not want that on mine as it works perfectly on the road and more importantly, on the snow!
The intro is so funny 0:04 😂👍
Nope, I'll take Hyundai ioniq N. You gents are hilarious 😆
It’s 20k more lol
The 5N is fast on track but as an only car it's terrible. Efficiency is laughable with 221 miles epa rating and real world is 180 to 190 miles. Hyundai needs to stop using old tech drive units.
@@Romanus- Also ugly as hell.
@@Chris-cu2mcThe 5N will beat the epa rated range, but obviously its not going to be efficient as teslas. If you drive normally, 250ish miles is easily achievable. Of course winter range is another matter; but thats not something i have to worry about.
@@Romanus-More like 10k difference and its totally worth it as it a true performance vehicle which can do multiple laps on a track.
I know that the likelihood is low but if you could update this video with a lap using the regen braking too, that’d be awesome. This saved me from cooking the brakes lap 1.
Tesla: "Over promise and under deliver" or something like that
What better car can you get for 50k? Nissan Qashqai?
@@tedarcher9120 Literally. Not s ingle car beats the new m3p when comparing price to value...
They didn't promise anything and the 2024 is better than last year.🤷♂️
@@sunbun0 Incredibly wrong. For the 50K price range so many cars offer what tesla cant. In terms of STOCK speed sure, M3P wins, but it doesnt matter when the car cant even claim the one thing its meant to do, which is to "perform". Couldnt even do 2 laps on a TH practice track...
@@jonathan3966 completely understand when you are talking about it performing on a track. Me using mine as a daily driver could care less about that because I didn’t buy it too take onto a track, rather just as a daily commuter. And when looked at from that perspective, no other car for that price makes a better daily driver and is nearly as fun.
These guys should apply to takeover Top Gear or Grand Tour. Their chemistry and humour is second to none right now
They've got a good thing going right now, it'd be dumb to change it
The biggest issue is still the interior! Hardly any real buttons (now even less) and one mounted ipad screen for every single function. The minimalism is just overboard imo.
Minimalism with maximalism weight.
@@BruninMalvadezalighter than an BMW M3
@@NickWainwright6970 lighter than the new Mustang GT/Dark Horse too. lol
Amen!
Well said! I hate the interior of this car.
See Thomas walk.
See Thomas fall over.
See Thomas spin out.
See Thomas _stomp the skinny pedal to the floor like it owes him money._
Really slick/fast Dodge Intrepid from the 90s. Just looking at those brakes its obvious they won't be up to snuff.
I'm really gonna miss Toe Foo and Schnitz, those were easily my favorite videos on this channel, hopefully their new owners enjoy and drive them instead of parking them in a showroom and never touching them again.
Those are cool cars... I love schnitz
@@volvo09 Do you still have that supercharged Civic? I'd love to hear more about it, most people turbo those things, so supercharging it is really neat
@@sambrown6426 I do. It's fun and reliable, I love it.
It's a Jackson racing supercharger kit (a roots blower I think? It's not one of the turbo style centrifugal superchargers).
Put it on 100k miles ago and it's been dead reliable. I finally have to change the belt since it's slipping above 6k rpm.
I left the stock intake on it (with the stock paper filter) and it'll max out a little over 9 lbs of boost.
@@volvo09 Nice, did you have to build the engine?
Hey, weh is the helmet ding? Please bring it back
Track Test - Ding isn’t in this intro.
The god cop bad cop was hilarious. Couldn’t care less about electric cars but I just have to watch every episode. Love the honesty!
So if this were the "electric Integra Type-S" it would be an embarrassing shortcoming of engineering, design and testing. But it's fast 0 to 60. Sounds about right
Personally I feel like the opposite would happen. If it was a honda people would probably excuse it's overheating and praise its intelligent design. It's totally fine for a Type R to need cooling upgrades to not heat soak on track. It's totally fine for a GR-Four equipped car to oveheat it's rear differential and turn back into fwd on track. It's common knowledge that taking an m340i to the track will very quickly overheat it's brake if you go with stock pads and fluid. But ofc it's absolutely ridiculous for this model 3 to need upgrade brake pads and fluid to go on track.
Not hating or rooting for EVs here, but I gotta say whenever someone does a lap in an EV it just feels so underwhelming... Like a videogame, no frantic shifting, no noises no nothing.
I guess the neighbors are happy though.
Call it what it is; a traffic carver for the environmentally conscious 😁
I own a Tesla, I am not a fan, it's a good uber Car and sometimes good to just take off on highway, not interested to watch EV reviews, BUT here I am watching Thomas and James just to watch Thomas&James. now that is success on RUclips, the Host become more important or so than the actual content. excuse my english I am Moroccan
That closing was so well written I love it. 19:29 that lock sound and 19:46 the "for those who do want to play your rearend somewhere safe, hehe" 💀💀💀 I'm dead
Thats the thing about tesla. Even elon admitted it in a joe rogan interview. All they care about is how much they can lower manufacturing cost too make their profit margins higher. They know their fan base only cares about a on paper 0-60 quick time and that all the sudden makes them wet with how cheap it is and how quick . Its a on a budget sports car for average joes to finally feel like hot shih cuz they can afford a 3 sec 0-60 car now when they never use to be able. Other then that its complete garbage. Anyone thats been fortunate enough to drive the top of the line new porsche cars, Bmw M , etc.. notice the terrible steering, suspenion issues, and lack of feeling engaged and one with the car. But people that live and die tesla will never notice what their missing.
"Other then that its complete garbage." So you didn't watch the video then because that is not anywhere near their conclusion about the car. In no way should the M3 be compared to a top-of-the-line Porsche or BMW since the pricing is nowhere close between them. And yes, basic business logic says that a company should minimize manufacturing costs. Otherwise you're left with building cars that are too expensive for the avg. person to afford or subsidizing the cars like a lot of OEMs are doing with EVs (which isn't sustainable in the long run).
@@chrismarkley9181 user above shitposts and trolls on any ev content here&is a severe mds suffering mouth breather. 👍🏻
One of my friends got the 2018 performance when it first came out, and it felt similar to the video here where they say it's a good 8/10ths car
Goddamn that speedmaster is looking good
Given that "drifting" is not actually performance driving (it's a LOT slower) but more like a party trick, I'm left wondering why anyone cares about whether a "performance" car has a drift mode. I guess I've wandered too far away from my childhood.
And, my gosh that "fast" lap looked soulless. Hell no.
Agreed, but remember half the people here don't like it because it doesn't make "noise". The new generations don't want to go fast, they just want to show off and sound like they are.
Original drifting was a part of performance driving in order to go faster. Back when cars had much less power and didn't weigh the same as a literal yacht. That's what people nowadays considering as "power slides", but that's literally how drifting was invented, in order to keep momentum through corners.
Showy drift is what people associate with drifting these days though
It's still performance driving it's just not fast driving.
So long story short: a relatively cheap (in performance terms) electric car from a relatively new company is objectively worse than it's competitors. BIG SHOCK 😂
This is why a GT3 RS with the same horsepower as a US spec M3 performance costs many times more! Yes I know it's not the same car class, but the point still stands.
It shows that power doesn't beat quality components.
Which is also why the BMW M4 performance costs more. Because the suspension and brakes etc is higher quality :)
The Model 3 is a great EV econo car, like a modern Mitsubishi Carisma with to much power 😅 Which can be fun for a bit, but it isn't the real thing you'd want if your heart choose 🤷🏼
The M2 CS was 3 seconds faster on such a short lap. That's insane.
I appreciate Thomas’s perspective, but I’m with James on this one. Taking a Tesla to the track, “performance” or not is a people problem, not a Tesla problem. Tesla is designed to a price point, not a performance point. This is just a more-fun version of a good daily driver.
I dunno, I took my Vauxhall Corsa to the track. And my Citroen AX. etc. They were both very terrible track cars, and both a ton of fun pushing in a way you just can't do on the street. A Tesla would be way faster than either of course - but I don't think it would be as fun. To the point that despite owning one I have never tracked it, which is kind of depressing. I intended to before buying, but driving it on the road revealed it's just too much all speed no fun so I just can't be bothered. I might in future get an old mx5 or something just for a fun track car.
@@asharak84 It sounds to me like you just proved my point. I’m also a Tesla owner, BTW. My model S is better at hauling 10-foot 2x4 lumber than it would be on a track.
@@nathanmrudd kinda I suppose - I don't and probably won't track it. But that's a shame, given I'm the sort of person who will track most cars. I guess that makes me the problem :( d'oh
I gave this a 👍🏾 right after the intro😂
Track driving a Tesla Model 3 is like hurling an anvil.
Reminder that this car is 30kg lighter than a new Mustang and just 60kg heavier than a new M2. 1760kg is really not bad for a sports sedan these days.
it's still just a Tesla, basic transportation
The brakes are a problem, but a fixable one in the aftermarket. If you've had tried more laps you'll have ended up with (a crash or) battery and motors heat management issues. This is a faulty and unacceptable "Performance" product.
James is like secretly running his stopwatch on his phone while Thomas does the hot lap and pretends like he’s guessing the time and Thomas is like woah! 😂 You can punch James now haha 😆
The new Model 3 Performance is an incredible bargain for what you get. You can then upgrade the Brembo brakes, the Pirelli tires, and put coilovers on it for an autocrossing beast.
- You can get a cheaper, higher quality big brake kit instead of Brembo's
- for the price, Pirelli's are overrated and honestly slower than other tires, especially if it's for autocross with a technically street legal tire
@@SkylineLofe Yep, it comes with Brembo brakes and Pirelli's standard. For the money, this car leaves a driver with many thousands to spend upgrading those components to what suits them best.
Not really, tesla interior is so dull and cost cutty. Dude the drivers pov in a tesla makes it feel like ur in a 5k company car. No cool gauge cluster screen, no heads up display, plastic buttons on the wheel. Not even a drivers placed scroll wheel so u can sit back and drive while operating the screen easily.. instead u have to constantly reach forward and touch the screen. Plus the glass roof with no monochromatic glass to darken it on a sunny day is so annoying. Teslas interior and their looks are by far their worst aspect but that's how they can get their prices so low. It's a bargain for someone that doesn't care about looks or interior and just wants an on a budget fast 0-60 car. That can't even complete a lap around nurburing without overheating. 🎉🎉
But it's the PERFORMANCE model. It should come with those bits already.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 Says someone who hasn't tried the new Model 3.
Honestly Tesla, don't put a track mode on a vehicle that can't actually be driven at a track. They have been pretty keen on over promising and under delivering, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.
I was "saving" for an M2. My spec was $77k before taxes and fees in the US. I bought this thing in grey for $46,490 (@1.99%) and wrapped it in British Racing Green. I dream of tracking, but for the next few years, I've "settled," and I think you could shave some time with a few mods and a closer charger. It's a helluva car for the $.
Closer charger? The car had over 80 percent of charge , does it need more? To give the whole power availability? Yes decent car for the money. Performance tho? Nahhhh and they need to stop saying take these to the track…
No argument here...but I'll take it to a drag strip for fun
I would love you guys to bring the Ioniq 5 N or EV6 GT through your track and see what times you get. They don't overheat and their brakes are actually track-focused.
Ioniq 5 N is literally on the lap time and is 0.7s quicker
Another American “high performance” automobile with high horse power and nothing else. Poor engineering personified.
1, 4, 6, 11, 13, 15, 17, 18, 20, 23, 25, 26 all say FO.
Just go pump your water ya Muppet!
Had mine for about 3 months. Handles very, very well. Goes very quick. But the brakes aren't up to it. Managed to fade them to the point of near uselessness within a minute coming down Brasstown Bald.
But given this is my daily driver, and not a track car, I'm VERY pleased with the car. I raced as a younger man, and I don't want my daily to beat me to death.
If I were going to track it, I would upgrade the brakes, brake lines, brake fluid, pads, work out some kind of cooling ducts to the rotors, increase spring rates, go with forged 18 inch wheels (well, already did that), square setup.
If you don´t want your daily to beat you to death, I hope you have fire proofed your house, do not use FSD what so ever and don´t use the car on the winter when you can get stuck and drain your battery because of the cold. Your car basically becomes a frozen casket. Also, with the Tesla quality I would be worried that my wheels come flying off if going for some inspired driving
@thoos192 yeah, more bs from the ignorant. Keep copy pasting things you know nothing about.
Just ignore this loser. Tesla best car for the price.
@@thoos192 you're just parroting things you've heard on the internet. EVs catch on fire less PER CAPITA compared to ICE vehicles. Range is impacted in winter, yes, but not that much. If you trap an ice car in snow, you get carbon monoxide poisoning if you keep the engine running, so not a great point you're making. Tesla's don't have wheels flying off, lmao. Don't drive your Toyota over 80mph or it explodes and they won't warranty it.
@thoos192 big oil and MSM lies clearly worked on you....
With Teslas so called "quality", I am amazed that the Tesla did not fall apart completely
How do we still not have a US spec'd M3P vs. Ionic 5 N drag race on RUclips? The M3P is a great car. Had mine for almost a month and I didn't think I'd love it as much as I do. The worst parts about it are the turn signals, door handles and the almost magnifying glass-like front and side windows. (fixed with ceramic tint) The roof and back windows are actually pretty good a blocking heat. So fun being able to shut down would be swoopers on the interstate.
That glass roof would drive me nuts not being able to close a shade. I'd have to get it tinted with like 5% tint.
I can’t get anyone to line up against me at the track. Everyone sees what it runs and they won’t line up next to me unless they have mods and are running deep into the 10s or better.
@@LearningFast Genuine question. How fun is drag racing a Tesla on a proper drag strip? Do you have to do anything besides just mashing the throttle to the floor? If not, it seems like it would probably get boring pretty quickly.
@@Hunter116 winning is fun. Having consistent times is fun. I don’t want to spin the tires, or drift, or any of that. I just want to get down the track faster than the person beside me. For that the US version is exceptional. The fun at the Dragstrip is in optimizing the battery. I can make the car run 11.1 or 10.7 just by monitoring and changing the battery temperatures with the touch of a button. That gives me a huge range of times I can run consistently for bracket racing. That makes me extremely competitive as long as I can cut a good light.
its because the model3 should and will win unless the tesla driver doesnt know how to stomp on the accelerator.
Two words would keep me from even considering a Tesla - Leon, er, I mean, Elon Musk.
If you knew what every CEO was about, you probably wouldn't purchase any consumer product.
Looks like an easter egg
So does their CEO. Only it’s bright white and wears a pointed hat.
The last model 3 performance was insane in a straight line and insanely bad in a corner.
That microwave analogy is perfect 😂😂
I’d grade on a curve. I think enthusiasts should taking the M3P to the track will replace the tires and the brakes if not more. Out the door, it is an amazing and fun commuter car.
Thank you, Thomas, for calling Tesla out. Performance or not, I am sick of Tesla and Musk lying all the time
What did they lie about with the m3p
@@mcsike7264 "Performance"
@@mcsike7264 Calling it "PERFORMANCE" it´s the first lie.
Watch Mishas recent Nurburgring lap with one... The battery overheats like crazy. Brakes were crap, owner upgraded and it still could do a full lap because of the battery. Tesla only cares about stoplight drags. Also, stop giving comrade space karen money
tesla probably didn't give the car more cooling because adding larger heat exchangers is expensive, more cooling channels affect aero and therefore range. The thermal management system in the 3 is very clever, because it has the ability to use the battery as a heat sink by transferring heat from the motors into the battery. that's also why it has a battery pre-cooling mode in the track menu
Criminal negligence best describes the brakes on performance Teslas.
Sad that Canada doesn’t get the higher horsepower version either.
Yeah I wish everyone got higher horsepower version
U know a car is bad when it matters that much u don't get a .2 sec faster car. If it's truly a great car who cares .. seems like tesla fans just care about 0-60 times on a budget and could careless about the suspension brakes and all the other mess of issues. Truly is the new poor mans 0-60 car. 🤐
@@G82Watts Im a big Tesla/car fan. Was disappointed by suspension & brakes. I also think the base plaid model S should have Carbon Ceramic Breaks and 200 mph top speed unlocked. I Think its great the Model 3 performance is affordable so you do not have to be well off it have lots of fun. Its just As much as a Poor mans 0-60 car as a Chevy Corvette C8 zr1 is a poor mans ferrari
@@PlaidZoomer
If quick 0-60 times are your idea of fun, then go right on ahead and buy a Tesla. I personally prefer playing with cars that can do more than just jerk me back in my seat.
@@G82Watts how did you type this all out with a dick in each hand lmfao
I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for this video
For 8k 🇨🇦 more I'll go with out a doubt with the ioniq 5N. It's just better in most things except the range. More room inside and proper brakes for track days.
The gap in price for Canada is close but not in US. $67k vs 47k.
@@runany1to be fair the Ioniq 5is a competitor to the Model Y.
@@lexusgs4604 yes i know but people like to compare it to the m3p from some reason. The model Yp doesn't even come close to the N performance. The new ioniq6N that will come next year will be even faster 😃
@@runany1 because you have your 7500 tax break. When Hyundai start production in the 🇺🇸 it will also get it.
@@avis1978 still 12,500 different. And US M3P is quicker than I5N I was looking at both but easy pick for me.
Good to see they haven't actually bothered fixing the extremely echo-y cabin.
Drove me utterly insane test driving a 2023 Model 3
FYI The mudflaps are aftermarket
And look horrendous too!
I do not understand how they miss something so basic. Those do not come on the car from Tesla.
This isn't necessarily true. Certain regions in northern US and parts of Canada get little "winter" features standard, including mud flaps. My Model Y also came with a small PPF installed.
I will admit I waited out the last 12 seconds of black screen in this video for an off color yet hilarious comment from James 😂
I wouldn't buy a Tesla for $5. Apartheid Elon can go stuff himself.
You are not testing a car specifically created for racing. What do you expect? It's more than adequate for 99% of drivers with a certain amount of sportiness. Only a small percentage are real drivers, very few. The rest think they are and they are not. Nor In this M3P nor in any other car. I'm own a M3P 2023 and I am very happy with a sporting performance well above average for cars with sporting aspirations at a fraction of the cost of use and maintenance. That's Tesla, so you've come across as quite biased and prejudiced in this video.
so new tires, brake upgrade and remove mud flaps. Later more stiffness. Weapon?
Sooo, for 98% of buyers this will be the perfect performance EV for less than the least expensive BMW M car (ie 2 series). And no harmful exhaust fumes…
More than 2% of people who like fast driving, would like to do that fast driving somewhere other than a set of traffic lights, i.e. corners. For that, you need brakes and suspension, making this not the perfect performance EV.
But yes, for anyone who isn't interested in corners and just wants their commuter car to scare a few people off the lights (which is a significant number of people), this is the perfect performance EV.
I know of no one that is buying a Model 3 Performance as a track car. If you want a track car, get a track car. If you want the best road sports sedan available, get a Model 3 Performance.
Lmao, you may wanna chill on the Tesla Kool Aid if you think it’s the “best” sports sedan available. Maybe you could argue the best budget sports sedan available, but it’s definitely not better than the Taycan, E tron GT, Lucid Air, BMW M3 etc.
Also, don’t give your car a “track mode” if it’s not intended for track use.
“best road sports sedan available” lmao that’s a good one
you get it. My purchase choice was made on where I drive my car 99.99% of the time and that is on the road. Range and comfort are key, also having the greatest charging infrastructure as well as FSD were musts. Vroom vroom noise, fake gear changes and track performance, were not high on my list. Oh and of course, the $10k price difference was pretty important too!
@@GuiGabois if range, comfort and performance are key, the Lucid Air is a far better option, cost notwithstanding.
@@jayem8981 How can you not look at cost? The Lucid starts at like $75k,, thats around $20k more than the M3P. Hard Pass especially as I think the Lucid looks like it was designed by someone stuck into the plastic chrome years of the 80's
Having just recently sold my 1st Gen M3P, none of this surprises me. It's fast and built to a price. It always reminded me of an EV take on 90s Pontiacs : fast in a straight line, great stereo and some gimmicks. Not much else.
Tesla did not install that front fender guard, whoever you’re borrowing the car from did. Just like he debadged the front, tinted the windows, and blacked out the Tesla logo on the back.
Yeah...they were eager to find anything to complain about. And too lazy to do a google search or ask the owner if this was an after market mod or Tesla install. Their pre-existing bias prevents them from properly reviewing a car from this brand.
@@officepatinaur pre existing bias doesn't make sense considering they loved the 5N and other EVs. Teslas are just super bland and soulless.
10 seconds of googling says these are a $40 factory option sold directly on the Tesla website
Probably the owner changed the brakes, and the suspension and the tires too? 🤣
Incorrect. The cars coming from china have the mud guard. I received the first M3P in Scotland, shipped from china. The mud guards were taken off immediately!
Are those the first Tesla seats which actually look comfortable?
says the guy who never been in a tesla
So, if you're going to track it - take it to Unplugged Performance first?
I gotta think James is SWEATING looking at the current bid on Tofu
Right, but track focused people would still do track tires, bigger brakes, and coilovers on a GR86, this is the same just higher power and weight in terms of needing upgrades. Frankly tesla is offering a bargain because it has g80 m3 power for $40k less and with all the money you saved you can go buy carbon brakes with 6 piston calipers and coilovers and have enough to get a set of forged wheels with cup 2 tires.
No. The difference is that you could take a stock GR86 to a track or autocross day, and it'd do fine. The new Model 3 Performance couldn't do that in stock form without some serious performance and safety issues cropping up. Even with those thousands of dollars in aftermarket upgrades you're talking about installed, I think you'll still find that it falls short of an M3 in terms of overall performance. Quick 0-60 times don't make a car good, even if it is a "bargain."
Pretty sad when the brakes are such a weak point. Something with that much power needs quality brakes.
not an EV hater at all. that being said, teslas are outdated and honestly they have serious competition, much cheaper cars feel and drive much better then them and not even talking about performance
Came for the title, stayed for the content 😂
Tesla is the epitome of half ass engineering
Teslas do a great impression of a good car. But when you start to pick on the details you see where they cut corners. This car is no exception that rule. They get by purely on their badge - but they just don’t hold up to abuse. Just go and look at a 3-4 yr old Model 3 today, you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Bland. Poor brakes. Very average handling. Dull interior. Nice seats finally. In the UK, no faster than the old one, in a straight line anyway. That's progress for you.