There are a number of Bulletin Board System software including Synchronet for windows: www.synchro.net/ And what's cool about syncronet is the features available: Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP!
10:45 the package arrived to you pretty fast AND intact! I hope you'll find a way to power up the test system or at least boot from that CF with replica installed. I'm a little bit sad that there is not many pieces of software that support this card, so not many possibilities to demonstrate its full potential. Either way, I hope you'll find this board interesting and will have some fun with it!
Yes, I've been a little tired about custom metal work shops and also PCB layout software is very familiar for me... so I've made mounting bracket from PCB material. Easy. You can do it for any connector layout if you want, high or low profile and so on. I've made a video about that project on my channel. My name is pronounced like "Maxim Crew-koff" as stated here.
Max, well done on that very creative use of materials. I did something similar some years ago with rigid plastic sheeting. Your solution is much more sturdy.
I didn't know they had Minitels in the US ! In France it was a huge thing, widely used from 1980 until 2000, even more than the internet at the time. It was using a proprietary network (TransPac) of "services" starting with "3615" or "3617" etc...like "3617CINE" or the infamous "3615HULA" (a "messagerie rose" service...that became a meme), and France Telecom maintained the network up to 2012...because even after they stopped selling Minitel terminals around 2005, a lot of people were still using the service through emulators. Now I wonder, what kind of network the US Minitels did connect to ?
Yup, Minitel was definitely a huge thing in France ! You could get your exam results, airplain departure/arrivals informations as long as "hot" services :) This was so much an internet precursor
Macrouph I was a bit too young to use that, but yes, this service became kind of a meme ! Apparently when Minitel closed down in '12, it still had 250 000 visits a month ! By the way, Xavier Niel, before founding Free and becoming a legend in the French Startup scene, used to own such a "messagerie rose" service !
Some minitel had an expansion port that allowed using them like an ordinary serial terminal. If this one has it, it should be possible to use it as a console for a Linux computer. It's apparently easy: xseignard.github.io/2013/05/20/plug-your-minitel-on-your-raspberry-pi/
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David Wegmuller yes, I actually have a book about some hacks and DIY projects you can do around a Minitel, my father once borrowed it at the library but never returned it 😂. It has a lot of cool DIY projects, if the 8 Bit Guy can read French !
I know of a couple of retrogeeks here in Sweden that still run BBS to dial into for old computer enthusiasts, i'm sure there are some over there as well.
I guess the "W" is the wifi designator? Is it too late to put one on my christmas list?! Because I think I could make much more use of a wifi enabled Pi Zero than I could a non-connected version...
7:54 is a dream package. It’s got a whole bunch of upgrades to make your Commodore 128 the best that it could possibly be. It starts with 64 Forth and just keeps going from there.
My reaction to the local equivalent would be ... huh ... ok... that's a bit weird... who do I know who knows where I live, and that I would maybe sort of appreciate being given a Prestel terminal, but is too shy to ring the doorbell and hand it over in person? :)
Its really really nice to me to see old computer stuff still in original boxes. I just love that as a collector and tech lover. You mentioned CP/M....Gary was such a loss to all. Super nice guy.
There were free services for US Videotel terminals - but they were like hen's teeth. I remember running across _one_ in the Houston area, a multi-platform chat BBS.
7:16 That is called Raspberry Pi Zero, and one of interesting things about it is that USB port(Not power one) can be used to communicate between PC and Pi(Pi can be MIDI device, HID device, Storage device, etc...).
Is it really that interesting that a USB port can be used to communicate between a host PC and an external smart device such as a Pi? It's essentially the guts of a low-end Android smartphone after all.
The ISA AppleTalk card would have been used to link Macs to a PC based server. Several PC network operating systems had Mac support, offering file storage and E-mail facilities.
Hi from France David , the Videotel that you now own is a french invention also called here the minitel , with this you could access to multiple services such as , Weather , Bank account , Train tickets ,Phonebook and more , you could even control the heating in your home ! (with a special box connected to the heating system and your phone line) This was very popular in France , because , the terminal was free and you just had to pay for the services. It a small french internet ! , that had also slowed down the deploy of the real internet in France. Many thanks for this video. Jérémy
Chris Lozagna. Man that name must be a pain in the ass sometimes. Got to love the LGR/8-Big Guy love going back and forth. Can't wait to see Clint's unboxing. You seem to be pleasing the Canadians. Good stuff! Hey, a T3100! I had one of those. Epic stuff. The viditels were actually all over Dutch yardsales back in the late 90's. Not sure if there was ever anyone actually using them, but they were obviously sold.
I watched a couple of 8-bit Keys episodes yesterday and was actually thinking about the 2 month span since the last one. Awesome to hear that more are coming up! :)
The RAMBOard you got at 8:30 in the video was used primarily by the Renegade/Maverick series of backup software. Some disks had copy protection that, in order to bypass in making backups, required the RAM expansion to be in the drive. I had the version for the 1541 when I was a kid.
The XT localtalk card brought back memories of a dedicated XT router at Santa Rosa Junior College computing services, where we were able to get Appletalk-connected machines routed onto the campus network (and onto the Internet).
9:42 This device is called a Minitel here in France, it was used to access any kind of services like train reservations, bank account, TV listings etc.. in the 80's :P It was pretty useful and wasn't discontinued until 2012!
Those Casio ROM cards really make me nostalgic. I had a keyboard that used those when I was a kid. I believe I had a folk songs, Disney, and classical music card.
+The 8-Bit Guy David, the motherboard that SID chip card plugged into has an AGP port. It might be worth a bit of time to get an AGP card for it if you are considering using it in a video, which personally seems like it would be very interesting.
I really can't think of a single reason that an AGP card would confer any benefit for any use that the built PC would be put to in conjunction with the SID card, certainly not for video capture reasons. It has absolutely zero effect on the output video signal, it's just a faster data path and allows direct sharing of system RAM with the video card. For basic desktop operation and display, and running DOS programs, PCI is more than ample. In fact, even USB2 sort-of keep up at modest resolutions. It's not like you're going to be playing any kind of up to date 3D-heavy game or displaying full motion HD-rez video in conjunction with your SIDchip sounds. Given that the soundcard itself plugs into only the 8-bit half of an ISA slot, it's far from a modern design, and probably hails from an age before VGA, let alone true colour hi-rez SXGA+...
+Mark Penrice Those are some interesting perspectives. Having built machines back in that time, I can speak from experience that even DOS games/programs benefit from and APG card VS a PCI card as generally almost all APG cards are VESA compliant, while not all PCI card are. It also depends greatly on what he'd be doing with the SID chip. My perspective when building classic hardware based systems is simple; Why potentially limit yourself? Go with the best you can find for what you are doing.
Well, it's a relatively simple sound synthesizer whose maximum input data rate is low enough that even the slowest IBM PC could easily saturate it, so presumably your choice of video card between PCI and AGP would make the square root of bugger-all difference to the sounds it could make. As for non-VESA compliant PCI cards, I think you'd have to look long and hard to _deliberately_ run across one (maybe you have one of the very few examples hanging around in a cupboard?), as even the basic Avance Logic 2301 model that came supplied in our 1994-vintage 486 (not very long after PCI premiered as a standard - and heck, VLB wasn't exactly old or well established by then) was perfectly happy setting all manner of standard VESA modes, and some weird ones besides once SiSoft Sandra came along. Hell, I think the even old Trident ISA-based SVGA/XGA card I have installed in a salvaged 1992-vintage 486SX boasts a fair degree of compatibility. In any case, that gives you probably a good ten years' worth of PCI-based graphics cards to choose from where getting a VESA compatible one is _far_ more likely than not, especially if you pick something from after VLB died out, by which point if you weren't compatible, no-one was going to buy your shit. At the other end of the scale, I probably ended up with one of the few PCI Voodoo 3 cards ever sold, which didn't seem to offer the most massive performance increase over the Banshee it replaced, though it did work fine with my ISA based TV-out converter card (which only drew power from the bus and basically turned any connected VGA or SVGA signal into a standard def PAL or NTSC compatible composite/SVideo output). Just to give some kind of reference as to the sort of thing you might be able to find, like. And I've also seen some very low performance, simplistic AGP cards which were little more than DACs and bus interface chips, intended to give basic 2D Windows support to motherboards which didn't have any integrated video but were never going to see use as gaming rigs. There was an awful lot of overlap in terms of models and range of capabilities during the period where the two standards coexisted. Essentially what I'm saying is, if you've got an AGP card to plug into it, then, well, why not. But if you can only find a PCI, and all you're going to do with it is get a basic Windows or even DOS based SIDchip-compatible soundtracker program up on screen (most of which will run just fine even on a basic ISA-connected late 80s VGA card), well... it's probably not going to cause any kind of measurable problem. There were still some quite performant PCI video cards that could go toe to toe with the lower powered AGP ones, and they're no-brainer compatible. The slot itself doesn't guarantee a fantastic video experience, or necessarily any upgrade to your computing experience. It's just a slot with somewhat higher bandwidth than PCI (though possibly not more than a few percent depending on version - the early ones' main or even only advantage really was that direct window into system RAM), which a card may or may not choose, or even be able to use. But if the system that the board runs isn't fast enough to regularly saturate the PCI bus anyway, and you don't do anything that benefits from sharing system memory with the video card, it'll make zero difference whatsoever. And may just represent a whole lot of hassle for nothing if you've already got a stack of random PCI cards you could just plug in and try out.
Wow!!! A 300 baud modem! I remember the first computer my parents were able to afford for me had a 14.4 kbps modem in it. I remember upgrading to the 28.8 kbps and then eventually upgrading to the u.s. robotics 56 kbps X2 modem. The one that I bought was a soft modem and you had to patch it to turn it from a 33.6 kbps modem into a X2 capable modem. I remember I found the patch online and instead of having to pay for the upgrade I downloaded the patch and was able to unlock the 56 kbps capability (all it did was enable the PCM modulation decoding needed to decode the signal coming from the other end). It's crazy to think how far we have came in terms of speed by way of the internet these days. My first dial-up modem was back in 1993 or 1994. That was the 14.4 kbps modem. now I have 100 megabits per second through my cable modem. Back and those days when I had the 14-point 4K modem they were just coming out with 1.5 megabits per second download speed and 256 kilobits per second upload speed. It's amazing to see dileep and speed now. Not to mention when you think about trying to survive on the internet now with those connection speeds that I just mentioned, many times you hit a brick wall trying to retrieve content on basic websites anymore. Damn I feel old now.
9:33 Looks like "Minitel" a French terminal. And on the box it says Made in France and "U.S. minitel", so it must be a minitel renamed and built for US market. You had access to a lot of services, and France Telecom lent it for free. But there was a very few free services ! The only one I know was the phone book. You had to pay about 33 cents by minutes or more and it was veeeery slow (1,2kb/sec) so very expensive. It was very famous for "Minitel rose" (literally Pink Minitel) = dating chat. All services have been stopped only in 2012, there was still 2 million users in 2010 despite internet ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel (try minitel in google image and you will find it).
If you think the user experience was far from great wait til you read how to setup a server for those things. Spoiler it's a god damn nightmare Sincerely a 30 something French dude who had to setup a server for the french national education when he started to do network work . My 20 year old self will never forget that week of work ...
Faire l'aller retour entre Lille et Rennes trois fois dans la semaine parce que le rectorat de Lille avait encore la documentation de 1982 pour setup un serveur minitel , et ensuite en lisant la doc "mise a jour" que le protocole Transpac était le seul protocole réseau que tu peux utilisé pour envoyé des données a un minitel a été plutot folko oui ... Transpac = un protocole réseau originellement uniquement prévu pour les paiements par carte bleue ... Une vraie cochonnrie
The "Ultra" brand was manufactured by a US based distributor named "Infotel" in the early 90's to mid 2000's. They were later bought out by Tiger Direct and the brand died, as did their channel distribution sales model when Tiger Direct was bought out. Their desktops were built from off the shelf components in a custom case. I'd assume the laptops were made in similar fashion. They typically sold their models in customizable configurations, but only to resellers and retailers. They were sold to end users under a different brand name, through their retail company, whose name I forget.
No arguement here, just a little added info on Infotel and the Ultra. Ultra was the brand name for MidWest Micro's white-box personal and laptop computers sold through their Infotel computer product distribution division.
Well, that's what the board is, and what you need to make it work at the most basic level, but it certainly doesn't explain what that big-ass box with all the... cutouts? LED strips? Button panels? is or what it's for. Looks like the kind of thing that you'd use to build an Altair / IMSAI kit or the like, with all the indicator lamps and input toggle switches.
Speaking of Modems, I happened across a tiny 56k modem in my basement yesterday! I didn't know we still had one. Also David, a video(s) on the TI 99 would be great. You have the right desk to fit all the peripherals on it!
We lusted over Vectrex when I was growing up. Not many people even remember it now, but I remember playing it in Toys R Us all the time back in the 80s.
Oh Hell Yeah! I once owned a PRS-48. I don't remember much about it (I was quite young), but yeah, it was a blast. I loved it. I know you will too. And yay for upcoming 8-Bit Keys episodes! ♥♥ Looking forward to more nostalgia (and hopefully no nasty battery corrosion like the sampling keyboard you restored a while back that had some nasty corrosion rust that you fought tooth and nail to get off-same for the key mech which you decided to give up on).
2:20 I have one very similar to that! My model is a PSR-47 but they seem almost identical despite a few changes. It has an interesting method of sound generation, and some of the instruments sound pretty cool.
When I saw the Toshiba laptop, I paused the video and thought that maybe it had the plasma screen, and sure enough it did. I'm impressed with the presentation of the image it generates. Also those Casio ROM cartridges took me back to my Casio SK-1 days when I would just fool around with it (I was a little boy at the time). And that SID ISA sound card, that's full of awesome right there.
9:40 it's a minitel. In France in 1980, all subscribers on the phone had a free terminal that allowed access to services. book a train ticket, a hotel, the yellow pages, chatroom, etc... It was before internet and the terminals were usable until 2015.
Dave, at 7:15 on that kit, yes that is a Raspberry Pi Zero. It's the smallest most compact Raspberry Pi yet that is pretty bare bones. They sell for $5 ea and you are limited to one purchase at a time. Funny I saw that, because yesterday, I just purchased a Raspberry Pi Zero and a Raspberry Pi Zero W (The W is for WiFi built in). I've been wanting to get my hands on one for a while but they were always sold out. I'm glad they finally put a limit on just buying 1 at a time now, or else I never would have probably been able to get my hands on one!
The VideoTel was a transplant of the French Minitel. I never saw one in the states but I did a lot of work with them in France. These had a native 40 column character plus graphics display and a passable 80 column VT-100 emulation. They were provided free to homes through French Telecom and they had a pass through jack to allow you to connect your phone inline although you could only use one or the other at a time. Most business would proudly show their Minitel number along with their voice phone and FAX, and the business sites took pride in doing clever BBS font ends. I watched as locals booked ski vacations in the Alps while block animated skiers went down the screen. More serious sites had integration pieces that allowed the VT-100 emulation access into the Mainframe computers of the day. Students could sign up for University classes online and do other activities. This sounds commonplace today, but this was all going on in the mid 80s.
your videotel is actually a French Minitel! those were very popular in France (mostly because you could get the basic model for free from French telecom operators). One of the cool thing is you could use it as a slow (1200 bauds) but free modem. The round connector is officially called "peri-informatique" and is mostly a serial port (custom cable is easy to build). I used one as external shell console for Amiga, which was great to debug assembly demos with custom copper list. I still have the original user guide around if you're interested. I'd love to see a video about this thing which has a huge place in French pop culture of the mid 80s!
This Videotel thing is a Minitel, it was very successful in France long before Internet arrived in the French homes. A lot of "services" were available, equivalent to web sites, with different access prices, some of them being free. The Minitel itself, which is equivalent to a console with modem, was free ! I remember I use to connect my Atari ST computer to the Minitel through a DIN port and my computer was online :)
Wow, can't believe those old tech still works! Many of the systems these days won't last past 10 years... Well, maybe because of poor maintenance, but look at these old tech, they were left sitting in the attic for 3 decades!
US Videotel used to have commercials featuring Bronson Pinchot (Balki from Perfect Strangers) I remember in the early 1990s either Parks or six flags mall had a display with these set up. One popular service they had was called Yak which was a chat room for kids/teens. Which caused these to be called Yaks or Yak terminals. They had two models both 2400 baud I think. One was color and one was monochrome.
I could not make out the Yamaha keyboard model number on the one where the sender joked about "packing peanuts". Looking forward to seeing the review and test of this one!
Remember that the Minitel had little success in the US but was very successful in its home country, France, where the service was discontinued in 2012 (inexplicably).
7:08 That is a Raspberry Pi Zero, the extra small version of the Raspberry Pi lineup. But it still has the ram and everything, just extra small for little stuff.
9:35 Very interesting the u.s. videotel for the earliest videotex service (probably in North America was called viewdata). In fact this terminal was a direct parent of the French terminal used for their videotex service called minitel, discontinued in 2012 but only five or six enthusiast recreates servers for keeping alive those things.
The videotel (also known as Minitel) was very popular in France in the pre-Internet years. The French national telephone company was lending or selling these terminals in order to give access to a bunch of online services like phonebooks, bank accounts and also adult online chats...
Seeing those Ti-99/4A carts making me miss my machine a little bit more now. Sure.. got it emulated now but still. Can't wait to see what goodies you have for your review on it!
The "RAMBOard" was used with the 1541 along with Maverick (known also as Renegade) to break copy protection on certain C64 games. I always wanted one but never could afford it.
Oh, a Toshiba T3100. Fine stuff. I got a T3200/20 with the harddrive still working but it freezes sometimes during operation. Once I tried to get the harddrive out of the machine. I didn’t succeed. It’s so solidly build into the machine.
Omg, a minitel at 9:48 ! We used to have this everywhere in france between 80 and 2000 ! It was like internet before internet. I remember searching for cheat codes for games on it. It was really great and useful. (But it was expensive to use) I doubt that you will be able to use it today, you can't do anything without a dial connection.
Glad the package made it safely! Thanks for the one you sent as well :)
And yeah, friends don't let friends endure packing peanuts.
but what about the o so beautiful texture and noise
Nice
Clint what if we're all packing peanuts. What if everything is one big lie and we're just the universes packing stuffer!?
I heard that there’s gonna be a packing peanuts invasion!!!!!
I pack my packages with Kiełbasa and Street Rod boxes!
I never realized how crazy my hair looked! I got it all cut off only a week later.
Thanks again for meeting with me!
Awesome to see you with 8-bit guy! Take care :)
I thought your hair looked pretty cool lol.
No! Dude, your hair was awesome. Friends don't let friends let friends get haircuts.
I focused more on your shirt than your hair...
No! Your hair is awesome!
It's so nice to see channels mentioning each other for good and helping each other out. They're really nice people!
David you could set up your own BBS. That would be cool and very nostalgic!
William Hayden that'd be fun
There are a number of Bulletin Board System software including Synchronet for windows:
www.synchro.net/
And what's cool about syncronet is the features available: Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP!
I've been saying that we need a Retrofriends Telnet BBS
TheTurnipKing though I sadly have no retro hardware :(
And then you could try to connect to it with your new modem+dumb terminal machine.
10:45 the package arrived to you pretty fast AND intact! I hope you'll find a way to power up the test system or at least boot from that CF with replica installed.
I'm a little bit sad that there is not many pieces of software that support this card, so not many possibilities to demonstrate its full potential.
Either way, I hope you'll find this board interesting and will have some fun with it!
I'd also note that David pronounced your name and second name a bit wrong... I do not think it will upset you.
I noticed that your design uses soldered PCBs as the mounting plates, that's so creative!
Just out of curiosity, how is "Макс Крюков" pronounced?
Pronouncing like Max Krukov , idk...
Yes, I've been a little tired about custom metal work shops and also PCB layout software is very familiar for me... so I've made mounting bracket from PCB material. Easy. You can do it for any connector layout if you want, high or low profile and so on. I've made a video about that project on my channel.
My name is pronounced like "Maxim Crew-koff" as stated here.
Max, well done on that very creative use of materials. I did something similar some years ago with rigid plastic sheeting. Your solution is much more sturdy.
I love that the IO shield on the SID adapter is a PCB. That's awesome!
I'm so excited for those 8-bit keys episodes
Same here.
I didn't know they had Minitels in the US !
In France it was a huge thing, widely used from 1980 until 2000, even more than the internet at the time.
It was using a proprietary network (TransPac) of "services" starting with "3615" or "3617" etc...like "3617CINE" or the infamous "3615HULA" (a "messagerie rose" service...that became a meme), and France Telecom maintained the network up to 2012...because even after they stopped selling Minitel terminals around 2005, a lot of people were still using the service through emulators.
Now I wonder, what kind of network the US Minitels did connect to ?
Yup, Minitel was definitely a huge thing in France ! You could get your exam results, airplain departure/arrivals informations as long as "hot" services :) This was so much an internet precursor
Remember 36 15 ULLA ?
Macrouph I was a bit too young to use that, but yes, this service became kind of a meme !
Apparently when Minitel closed down in '12, it still had 250 000 visits a month !
By the way, Xavier Niel, before founding Free and becoming a legend in the French Startup scene, used to own such a "messagerie rose" service !
Some minitel had an expansion port that allowed using them like an ordinary serial terminal. If this one has it, it should be possible to use it as a console for a Linux computer. It's apparently easy: xseignard.github.io/2013/05/20/plug-your-minitel-on-your-raspberry-pi/
David Wegmuller yes, I actually have a book about some hacks and DIY projects you can do around a Minitel, my father once borrowed it at the library but never returned it 😂.
It has a lot of cool DIY projects, if the 8 Bit Guy can read French !
I know of a couple of retrogeeks here in Sweden that still run BBS to dial into for old computer enthusiasts, i'm sure there are some over there as well.
7:08 It's a Raspberry Pi Zero. The non-wifi version is about $5 while the $10 version has WiFi.
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I guess the "W" is the wifi designator?
Is it too late to put one on my christmas list?! Because I think I could make much more use of a wifi enabled Pi Zero than I could a non-connected version...
Great job 8-Bit Guy! Good Luck for all your future endeavours, and congratulations on 191 episodes!!!!
7:54 is a dream package. It’s got a whole bunch of upgrades to make your Commodore 128 the best that it could possibly be. It starts with 64 Forth and just keeps going from there.
Glad you got the videotel unit, sorry if leaving it on your porch was creepy :)
My reaction to the local equivalent would be ... huh ... ok... that's a bit weird... who do I know who knows where I live, and that I would maybe sort of appreciate being given a Prestel terminal, but is too shy to ring the doorbell and hand it over in person? :)
Its really really nice to me to see old computer stuff still in original boxes. I just love that as a collector and tech lover.
You mentioned CP/M....Gary was such a loss to all. Super nice guy.
4:35 AM. New 8 bit guy upload. No sleep for me!
Another european in the same situation here.
Watching these episodes is like having Christmas once a month.
There were free services for US Videotel terminals - but they were like hen's teeth. I remember running across _one_ in the Houston area, a multi-platform chat BBS.
7:16 That is called Raspberry Pi Zero, and one of interesting things about it is that USB port(Not power one) can be used to communicate between PC and Pi(Pi can be MIDI device, HID device, Storage device, etc...).
Is it really that interesting that a USB port can be used to communicate between a host PC and an external smart device such as a Pi? It's essentially the guts of a low-end Android smartphone after all.
The last guy's name is Maxim Kryakov. It's written in reverse like Bond, James Bond.
It's not Kryakov, it's Kryukov. I watch his channel on RUclips. Oh, that crappy russian post...
Maxim is a good man without conscience :)
Yeah, I found it kinda funny
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The ISA AppleTalk card would have been used to link Macs to a PC based server. Several PC network operating systems had Mac support, offering file storage and E-mail facilities.
If you snag yourself a PBX, you can actually use modem systems with a fair degree of authenticity from what i hear.
Hi from France David , the Videotel that you now own is a french invention also called here the minitel , with this you could access to multiple services such as , Weather , Bank account , Train tickets ,Phonebook and more , you could even control the heating in your home ! (with a special box connected to the heating system and your phone line)
This was very popular in France , because , the terminal was free and you just had to pay for the services. It a small french internet ! , that had also slowed down the deploy of the real internet in France.
Many thanks for this video.
Jérémy
Episode 191
lol
BroFilms i don't get it.
The video is called "Episode 191 November 2017 Unboxing"
That's how he names his files, I'm assuming he just forgot to title the video properly.
8 bit guy wrinkles his four head too much.
lol
Chris Lozagna. Man that name must be a pain in the ass sometimes.
Got to love the LGR/8-Big Guy love going back and forth.
Can't wait to see Clint's unboxing.
You seem to be pleasing the Canadians. Good stuff!
Hey, a T3100! I had one of those. Epic stuff.
The viditels were actually all over Dutch yardsales back in the late 90's.
Not sure if there was ever anyone actually using them, but they were obviously sold.
6:28 [ala Duke Nukem] "Mmm, Clint's got a nice, big package."
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The 1650 was my first modem. Has hardware duplex switch... I used it for a couple of years before I went to a 128 with an external Hayes modem.
looking forward to see an episode about the PSR-48
I watched a couple of 8-bit Keys episodes yesterday and was actually thinking about the 2 month span since the last one. Awesome to hear that more are coming up! :)
Chris 'Lasaga'
Damn you garfielf
Always a good day when David uploads. Great video!
you have the Raspberry Pi zero w
I love this series!!Please continue this series for years to come.
i have an ultra branded power supply. maybe not the same exact brand but i recognized it
Can't wait to see your keyboard reviews on 8 bit keys . Your channel began my collecting old 80's keyboards now have about 20 of them !
You are the best 8 Bit Guy!
He's the only 8-Bit Guy.
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The RAMBOard you got at 8:30 in the video was used primarily by the Renegade/Maverick series of backup software. Some disks had copy protection that, in order to bypass in making backups, required the RAM expansion to be in the drive. I had the version for the 1541 when I was a kid.
Huh, coulda sworn I have some of those Casio ROMs somewhere... Care for any more if they're not duplicates?
The XT localtalk card brought back memories of a dedicated XT router at Santa Rosa Junior College computing services, where we were able to get Appletalk-connected machines routed onto the campus network (and onto the Internet).
You need to make a video on modems
Yes this. A video dedicated to modems would be great. I started with a Radio Shack 300 baud modem.
YES PLEASE
yeah that sounds like a great idea
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Get it? 'Cuz modems could transmit 56k late in their lifecycle...
9:42 This device is called a Minitel here in France, it was used to access any kind of services like train reservations, bank account, TV listings etc.. in the 80's :P It was pretty useful and wasn't discontinued until 2012!
Thank you 8-Modem Guy
Those Casio ROM cards really make me nostalgic. I had a keyboard that used those when I was a kid. I believe I had a folk songs, Disney, and classical music card.
+The 8-Bit Guy
David, the motherboard that SID chip card plugged into has an AGP port. It might be worth a bit of time to get an AGP card for it if you are considering using it in a video, which personally seems like it would be very interesting.
TheCaptain I'm sure he knows that
+Ash Cooper
Perhaps. However, there's no harm making the suggestion. Because really, none of us are minder readers, and maybe he didn't.
I really can't think of a single reason that an AGP card would confer any benefit for any use that the built PC would be put to in conjunction with the SID card, certainly not for video capture reasons. It has absolutely zero effect on the output video signal, it's just a faster data path and allows direct sharing of system RAM with the video card. For basic desktop operation and display, and running DOS programs, PCI is more than ample. In fact, even USB2 sort-of keep up at modest resolutions.
It's not like you're going to be playing any kind of up to date 3D-heavy game or displaying full motion HD-rez video in conjunction with your SIDchip sounds. Given that the soundcard itself plugs into only the 8-bit half of an ISA slot, it's far from a modern design, and probably hails from an age before VGA, let alone true colour hi-rez SXGA+...
+Mark Penrice
Those are some interesting perspectives. Having built machines back in that time, I can speak from experience that even DOS games/programs benefit from and APG card VS a PCI card as generally almost all APG cards are VESA compliant, while not all PCI card are. It also depends greatly on what he'd be doing with the SID chip. My perspective when building classic hardware based systems is simple; Why potentially limit yourself? Go with the best you can find for what you are doing.
Well, it's a relatively simple sound synthesizer whose maximum input data rate is low enough that even the slowest IBM PC could easily saturate it, so presumably your choice of video card between PCI and AGP would make the square root of bugger-all difference to the sounds it could make. As for non-VESA compliant PCI cards, I think you'd have to look long and hard to _deliberately_ run across one (maybe you have one of the very few examples hanging around in a cupboard?), as even the basic Avance Logic 2301 model that came supplied in our 1994-vintage 486 (not very long after PCI premiered as a standard - and heck, VLB wasn't exactly old or well established by then) was perfectly happy setting all manner of standard VESA modes, and some weird ones besides once SiSoft Sandra came along. Hell, I think the even old Trident ISA-based SVGA/XGA card I have installed in a salvaged 1992-vintage 486SX boasts a fair degree of compatibility.
In any case, that gives you probably a good ten years' worth of PCI-based graphics cards to choose from where getting a VESA compatible one is _far_ more likely than not, especially if you pick something from after VLB died out, by which point if you weren't compatible, no-one was going to buy your shit.
At the other end of the scale, I probably ended up with one of the few PCI Voodoo 3 cards ever sold, which didn't seem to offer the most massive performance increase over the Banshee it replaced, though it did work fine with my ISA based TV-out converter card (which only drew power from the bus and basically turned any connected VGA or SVGA signal into a standard def PAL or NTSC compatible composite/SVideo output). Just to give some kind of reference as to the sort of thing you might be able to find, like.
And I've also seen some very low performance, simplistic AGP cards which were little more than DACs and bus interface chips, intended to give basic 2D Windows support to motherboards which didn't have any integrated video but were never going to see use as gaming rigs. There was an awful lot of overlap in terms of models and range of capabilities during the period where the two standards coexisted.
Essentially what I'm saying is, if you've got an AGP card to plug into it, then, well, why not. But if you can only find a PCI, and all you're going to do with it is get a basic Windows or even DOS based SIDchip-compatible soundtracker program up on screen (most of which will run just fine even on a basic ISA-connected late 80s VGA card), well... it's probably not going to cause any kind of measurable problem. There were still some quite performant PCI video cards that could go toe to toe with the lower powered AGP ones, and they're no-brainer compatible. The slot itself doesn't guarantee a fantastic video experience, or necessarily any upgrade to your computing experience. It's just a slot with somewhat higher bandwidth than PCI (though possibly not more than a few percent depending on version - the early ones' main or even only advantage really was that direct window into system RAM), which a card may or may not choose, or even be able to use. But if the system that the board runs isn't fast enough to regularly saturate the PCI bus anyway, and you don't do anything that benefits from sharing system memory with the video card, it'll make zero difference whatsoever. And may just represent a whole lot of hassle for nothing if you've already got a stack of random PCI cards you could just plug in and try out.
Great nostalgic video. Also a little sad thinking of days gone by, wide-eyed kids learning about computing and games in their bedroom.
Спасибо Максиму! :)
I hear three modems dialling in on Christmas day, on Christmas day. I hear three modems dialling in on Christmas day in the morning.
WOOP! I never liked unboxing videos, but I like yours
Butter H2 seriously it’s amazing
Wow!!! A 300 baud modem! I remember the first computer my parents were able to afford for me had a 14.4 kbps modem in it. I remember upgrading to the 28.8 kbps and then eventually upgrading to the u.s. robotics 56 kbps X2 modem. The one that I bought was a soft modem and you had to patch it to turn it from a 33.6 kbps modem into a X2 capable modem. I remember I found the patch online and instead of having to pay for the upgrade I downloaded the patch and was able to unlock the 56 kbps capability (all it did was enable the PCM modulation decoding needed to decode the signal coming from the other end). It's crazy to think how far we have came in terms of speed by way of the internet these days. My first dial-up modem was back in 1993 or 1994. That was the 14.4 kbps modem. now I have 100 megabits per second through my cable modem. Back and those days when I had the 14-point 4K modem they were just coming out with 1.5 megabits per second download speed and 256 kilobits per second upload speed. It's amazing to see dileep and speed now. Not to mention when you think about trying to survive on the internet now with those connection speeds that I just mentioned, many times you hit a brick wall trying to retrieve content on basic websites anymore. Damn I feel old now.
Nice, 25th december in 1st december
the terminal that you are unboxing at 9:44 was very popular in France during the 80' and the mid 90' ! almost everyone had one !
9:33 Looks like "Minitel" a French terminal. And on the box it says Made in France and "U.S. minitel", so it must be a minitel renamed and built for US market.
You had access to a lot of services, and France Telecom lent it for free. But there was a very few free services ! The only one I know was the phone book. You had to pay about 33 cents by minutes or more and it was veeeery slow (1,2kb/sec) so very expensive. It was very famous for "Minitel rose" (literally Pink Minitel) = dating chat.
All services have been stopped only in 2012, there was still 2 million users in 2010 despite internet !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel (try minitel in google image and you will find it).
If you think the user experience was far from great wait til you read how to setup a server for those things. Spoiler it's a god damn nightmare
Sincerely a 30 something French dude who had to setup a server for the french national education when he started to do network work . My 20 year old self will never forget that week of work ...
J'imagine que ça devait être sympa oui, surtout un truc pour l'éducation nationale :-D
Faire l'aller retour entre Lille et Rennes trois fois dans la semaine parce que le rectorat de Lille avait encore la documentation de 1982 pour setup un serveur minitel , et ensuite en lisant la doc "mise a jour" que le protocole Transpac était le seul protocole réseau que tu peux utilisé pour envoyé des données a un minitel a été plutot folko oui ...
Transpac = un protocole réseau originellement uniquement prévu pour les paiements par carte bleue ...
Une vraie cochonnrie
The "Ultra" brand was manufactured by a US based distributor named "Infotel" in the early 90's to mid 2000's. They were later bought out by Tiger Direct and the brand died, as did their channel distribution sales model when Tiger Direct was bought out. Their desktops were built from off the shelf components in a custom case. I'd assume the laptops were made in similar fashion. They typically sold their models in customizable configurations, but only to resellers and retailers. They were sold to end users under a different brand name, through their retail company, whose name I forget.
No arguement here, just a little added info on Infotel and the Ultra. Ultra was the brand name for MidWest Micro's white-box personal and laptop computers sold through their Infotel computer product distribution division.
LGR sent u a Pi zero :)
Operative what was the kit though?
Operative I considered sending him a minty pi kit because those are a pretty cool portable retro system
LGR apparently breeds unicorns!
Seems to be one of these kits www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-zero.html
Well, that's what the board is, and what you need to make it work at the most basic level, but it certainly doesn't explain what that big-ass box with all the... cutouts? LED strips? Button panels? is or what it's for.
Looks like the kind of thing that you'd use to build an Altair / IMSAI kit or the like, with all the indicator lamps and input toggle switches.
Speaking of Modems, I happened across a tiny 56k modem in my basement yesterday! I didn't know we still had one. Also David, a video(s) on the TI 99 would be great. You have the right desk to fit all the peripherals on it!
Karl Marx once said: "Trash of the world, unite !" (at Davis' place)
Best Vintage Channel Ever!
I watch You, Techmoan, LGR, Austin Evans and about 25 more!
We lusted over Vectrex when I was growing up. Not many people even remember it now, but I remember playing it in Toys R Us all the time back in the 80s.
Cyka Blyat ;)
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Trackpoint Gaming Do you know what that means?
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Oh Hell Yeah! I once owned a PRS-48. I don't remember much about it (I was quite young), but yeah, it was a blast. I loved it. I know you will too. And yay for upcoming 8-Bit Keys episodes! ♥♥ Looking forward to more nostalgia (and hopefully no nasty battery corrosion like the sampling keyboard you restored a while back that had some nasty corrosion rust that you fought tooth and nail to get off-same for the key mech which you decided to give up on).
4:15 cringe 😂😂😂
OOF he most likely read this.
It's funny you say "cringe" and then immediately follow it up with emojis. Fastest way to invalidate your opinion.
“LOL 🔥💯👌😫🙌💯💯💯💯” just stop
I just saw that Ernie Malago is from my home town! So I can say that you have at least two fans from WV! Keep up the great work, David.
Looking forward to that C128 episode with BASIC 8 and the VDC upgrade!
Can't wait to see the episode in 1-ByteKeys
Neat trivia for the 1660 cbm modem, it has no sound generator but uses the sid chip to generate the tones via the RCA port on the back of the modem.
Oh wow... that Ultra laptop is the identical one I had back in the day!!! Awesome to see it again!
2:20 I have one very similar to that! My model is a PSR-47 but they seem almost identical despite a few changes. It has an interesting method of sound generation, and some of the instruments sound pretty cool.
When I saw the Toshiba laptop, I paused the video and thought that maybe it had the plasma screen, and sure enough it did. I'm impressed with the presentation of the image it generates. Also those Casio ROM cartridges took me back to my Casio SK-1 days when I would just fool around with it (I was a little boy at the time). And that SID ISA sound card, that's full of awesome right there.
9:40 it's a minitel. In France in 1980, all subscribers on the phone had a free terminal that allowed access to services. book a train ticket, a hotel, the yellow pages, chatroom, etc... It was before internet and the terminals were usable until 2015.
Dave, at 7:15 on that kit, yes that is a Raspberry Pi Zero. It's the smallest most compact Raspberry Pi yet that is pretty bare bones. They sell for $5 ea and you are limited to one purchase at a time. Funny I saw that, because yesterday, I just purchased a Raspberry Pi Zero and a Raspberry Pi Zero W (The W is for WiFi built in). I've been wanting to get my hands on one for a while but they were always sold out. I'm glad they finally put a limit on just buying 1 at a time now, or else I never would have probably been able to get my hands on one!
You got to love the bromance between David and Clint :D
I had Blasto and The Attack for my TI, they were fun. Enjoy!
I think these videos are popular because we all like to see a good guy get stuff.
A nice bunch of very cool stuff! Specifically love that little terminal, seems like you could do some neat things with that.
For some reason I get excited when you open your presents. Always a fun video, thanks!
I had one of the TI-99/4A and added the "P" box with floppy drives and all the "trimmings". My first computer I worked on borrowed ones prior.
The VideoTel was a transplant of the French Minitel. I never saw one in the states but I did a lot of work with them in France. These had a native 40 column character plus graphics display and a passable 80 column VT-100 emulation. They were provided free to homes through French Telecom and they had a pass through jack to allow you to connect your phone inline although you could only use one or the other at a time.
Most business would proudly show their Minitel number along with their voice phone and FAX, and the business sites took pride in doing clever BBS font ends. I watched as locals booked ski vacations in the Alps while block animated skiers went down the screen. More serious sites had integration pieces that allowed the VT-100 emulation access into the Mainframe computers of the day. Students could sign up for University classes online and do other activities. This sounds commonplace today, but this was all going on in the mid 80s.
That little all-in-one terminal is neat. I remember my parents using one for an online defensive driving course.
your videotel is actually a French Minitel! those were very popular in France (mostly because you could get the basic model for free from French telecom operators). One of the cool thing is you could use it as a slow (1200 bauds) but free modem. The round connector is officially called "peri-informatique" and is mostly a serial port (custom cable is easy to build). I used one as external shell console for Amiga, which was great to debug assembly demos with custom copper list. I still have the original user guide around if you're interested. I'd love to see a video about this thing which has a huge place in French pop culture of the mid 80s!
looking forward to seeing some of that stuff in new videos! (and especially some of the keyboard-related thingies over on 8 bit keys)
I loved that old TI-2550 calculator.. 😁 Very cool, a blast from my childhood.
This Videotel thing is a Minitel, it was very successful in France long before Internet arrived in the French homes. A lot of "services" were available, equivalent to web sites, with different access prices, some of them being free. The Minitel itself, which is equivalent to a console with modem, was free !
I remember I use to connect my Atari ST computer to the Minitel through a DIN port and my computer was online :)
Why was the episode 191 needed? A new naming scheme for the 8BG?
Wow, can't believe those old tech still works! Many of the systems these days won't last past 10 years... Well, maybe because of poor maintenance, but look at these old tech, they were left sitting in the attic for 3 decades!
US Videotel used to have commercials featuring Bronson Pinchot (Balki from Perfect Strangers) I remember in the early 1990s either Parks or six flags mall had a display with these set up. One popular service they had was called Yak which was a chat room for kids/teens. Which caused these to be called Yaks or Yak terminals. They had two models both 2400 baud I think. One was color and one was monochrome.
I could not make out the Yamaha keyboard model number on the one where the sender joked about "packing peanuts". Looking forward to seeing the review and test of this one!
Remember that the Minitel had little success in the US but was very successful in its home country, France, where the service was discontinued in 2012 (inexplicably).
7:08 That is a Raspberry Pi Zero, the extra small version of the Raspberry Pi lineup. But it still has the ram and everything, just extra small for little stuff.
9:35 Very interesting the u.s. videotel for the earliest videotex service (probably in North America was called viewdata). In fact this terminal was a direct parent of the French terminal used for their videotex service called minitel, discontinued in 2012 but only five or six enthusiast recreates servers for keeping alive those things.
Can't wait to see the keyboard reviews on 8 bit keys!
The videotel (also known as Minitel) was very popular in France in the pre-Internet years. The French national telephone company was lending or selling these terminals in order to give access to a bunch of online services like phonebooks, bank accounts and also adult online chats...
Seeing those Ti-99/4A carts making me miss my machine a little bit more now. Sure.. got it emulated now but still. Can't wait to see what goodies you have for your review on it!
That retail price sticker is from Canadian Tire - an automotive/housewares/hardware retailer here in Canada.
The "RAMBOard" was used with the 1541 along with Maverick (known also as Renegade) to break copy protection on certain C64 games. I always wanted one but never could afford it.
That floppy disk is a marvelous shade of brown
I own the same Yamaha PSR 48.. Lovely sounds!! Lovely memories!
Oh, a Toshiba T3100. Fine stuff. I got a T3200/20 with the harddrive still working but it freezes sometimes during operation. Once I tried to get the harddrive out of the machine. I didn’t succeed. It’s so solidly build into the machine.
I see at least 10 episodes worth of material there. Would love a video on Forth
A HES C64 Forth cart! I would have ruled with one of those in 1985! BASIC and poking little ML programs int memory were really limiting.
With all that stuff, you could almost open a museum!
Omg, a minitel at 9:48 ! We used to have this everywhere in france between 80 and 2000 ! It was like internet before internet. I remember searching for cheat codes for games on it. It was really great and useful. (But it was expensive to use) I doubt that you will be able to use it today, you can't do anything without a dial connection.