I think the pocket 6K Pro really makes a better case for an entry into cinema/video that the FX3 even though the FX3 probably suits my shooting style more. Great work Carl
It'll definitely depend on your shooting style and what you shoot, as when you break it down, there are a few differences between the two, but the smaller sensor, built in ND's, intuitive UI and lower price point definitely makes the 6K Pro better suited to those just starting out than the FX3. Dan
Nice that you mentioned Canon’s 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens! That seems to get lost in the mix these days behind all the newer lenses, but it is Very handy to have with those APS-C & Super 35 bodies.
That lens sucks, not optically just everything else around it. The AF motor is super noisy and so is the IS system, speaking of IS, it's not very effective and its huge and heavy, also not super good for dual pixel af (not that the pocket 6k has good C-AF but just saying)
So there appears to be some growing confusion online about blue tints with this camera. We do have a video going into that coming up, but to quickly answer your question, the ND filters do not have a blue tint. You'll see from this video that they do shift towards magenta as you increase the stops, but definitely not blue. Where people are confusing this blue tint is with the monitor. On some Pocket 6K Pro's the rear LCD screen has a noticeable shift towards blue, but not all units have this issue, and its something Blackmagic are working to fix in a firmware update. Bit this blue tint does not find its way into the footage, and only affects the rear LCD screen. Dan
You forgot the 15-85 Canon STM lens. Image and usage-wise it's just as good as the 17-55, and the lens stabilization is better, with a more useful range. I prefer it in most circumstances in run and gun shooting. Also, the 55-255 STM is amazing for run and gun---and lens stabilization is much better than sensor stabilization for elimination of image warpage. IMO the Sigma is too limited in its range and only good on sticks in a studio. Most all of the hand held footage I've seen using that lens is jittery and unacceptable. The Canon stable of STM lenses is very good---and inexpensive---ideal for most run and gun situations.
Hi William, did I understand you correctly: the lens correction of the lens works with the 6K pro? And how about the autofocus? Does he work too? I am looking forward to your answer! Thank you and health!
Very nice and honest video. Thanks for making it!!! Can you make a video testing the bmpcc 6k pro using the Sigma Cine 18-35mm lens you have at your left? Thanks again.
hello I am equipped with NIKON lenses from 14-24 mm to 24-70 and 70-200 mm F2.8. Does the Pocket 6K Pro perform with these lenses? And which adapter to choose?
Absolutely looking forward the next videos!!! I just released a video about the pocket 6k pro (not as technical as yours 😄), but it’s my way of expressing my happiness and satisfaction with this camera. You also mentioned some good lenses!!! I got the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 as I needed a wide angle. What do you think about the Meike lenses. They’ve done (ai believe) a 24mm EF. I would love to start investing in cinema lenses!!! Thanks indeed Carl. Great as always 🙏
We'll be sure to take a look! The Tamaron is a good option also. We haven't had a chance to take a look at the Meike lenses yet, but they're ones we'd love to take a look at. Dan
@@ProAVTV Thanks a lot Dan 🙏. Carl mentioned there are some lenses that will have AF with this camera! I didn’t know!!! Which ones are those??? Thanks again
So all of the lenses he mentioned in the video, like the Canon 17-55 (& Their L Series range) the Sigma 18-35mm will all allow the one shot AF of the camera. 18-35mm: www.proav.co.uk/sigma-18-35mm-f-1-8-dc-hsm-art-lens-canon-fit 17-55mm: www.proav.co.uk/canon-ef-s-17-55mm-f-28-is-usm Dan
Great and informative as always. I still don't get why/how people who claim to be filmmakers or at least, supposedly video makers tend to whine so much about autofocus on a camera that is specifically tagged "Cinema Camera". The whole fuss about autofocus always sounds somewhat funny sha.
I don't use AF either but FX9 does it perfectly and since BMD is so good at softwares, there's no reason to not have as good AF as FX9's. Why would you not get all the help of technology you can get?
@@cmdr.shepard Well you just said it, you don't use AF. And like many other pro videographers/filmmakers out there who barely use AF. Which is why I'm wondering, why then do we have to make a fuss about a feature we don't use?
@@4seeableTV well ummm that's definitely a valid reason to be pissed about the camera. How dare BMD deny the great filmmakers out there something to hold their coffee cups while shooting. This is unacceptable.
sigma 18-35 1.8 on camera. canon EF 50mm f1.2 L, walimax/samyang/rokinon 35mm 1.5, sigma 18-35 t2 cine (optically identical to the 18-35 photo lens, in a cine re-housing).
Autofocus (continues) and IBIS should be included in these cameras for one simple reason. It is supposed to be a POCKET camera. That means we need all these basic functions (focus, stabilization etc) integrated in this POCKET camera. If we need to carry with us complex autofocus systems, stabilizers etc, then, really tell me, why to buy o POCKET camera if you need equipment x 5 the size of a camera ? Go for a normal camera.
Picking on the way how the ND looks when changing is a bit harsh. Who cares how it moves or shifts, it gets the job done, that's the important thing. No one switches ND filter in the middle of a shoot. Who needs an autofocus using this camera? This is a cinema camera, LOL, if you need autofocus, grab an A7SIII.
Presentation becomes inauthentic (lacks authority/cannot be trusted) when it assumes as a foregone conclusion that RF mount couldn't happen. That's just an argument from the accounting department about cost/benefit from investing in redesign. Everyone knows that EF mount is extinct going forward, and it happened after the launch of the original 6K, so the landscape totally changed for EF. Also, note that the Cinema EOS C70 has built-in ND on RF mount.
Canon is a much bigger company with a bigger R&D department, and this is Blackmagic's first motorized ND system. Canon also has the ability to just force a new lens mount onto the market. Blackmagic doesn't have that luxury. All RF mount does is force people into buying canon cameras because they'll be too heavily invested in a proprietary lens mount.
@@TwatMcGee I agree; however, is there actual evidence (besides speculation) that Canon refuses to license RF mount for other camera manufacturers? That would be self-destructive as a business strategy, of course, since rapid growth of RF mount is in their best interests.
We use these cameras for nfl games. The camera is perfect. Stop whining about small things. This “ it’s not perfect “ and “ for the price “. Anything a few thousand is not cheap to me.
I think the pocket 6K Pro really makes a better case for an entry into cinema/video that the FX3 even though the FX3 probably suits my shooting style more. Great work Carl
It'll definitely depend on your shooting style and what you shoot, as when you break it down, there are a few differences between the two, but the smaller sensor, built in ND's, intuitive UI and lower price point definitely makes the 6K Pro better suited to those just starting out than the FX3.
Dan
@@ProAVTV the UI with Shutter Angle is an BRaw is a good one for sure
I'm loving this camera!
Nice that you mentioned Canon’s 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens!
That seems to get lost in the mix these days behind all the newer lenses, but it is Very handy to have with those APS-C & Super 35 bodies.
But that lens is too old; had two, both broke down... 10yrs old mechanism!
I had it too. Mine was terrible, the IS was all over the place and made my handheld shots unusable.
That lens sucks, not optically just everything else around it. The AF motor is super noisy and so is the IS system, speaking of IS, it's not very effective and its huge and heavy, also not super good for dual pixel af (not that the pocket 6k has good C-AF but just saying)
@@weddingvideography7747 what are some new ones that you’d recommend?
Thank you for testing and showing nd while recording! :)
Watching again. Great info! Thanks
Great as always, i would like a comment on blue (or not) tint of Nd filters builded in camera . And a comment on back screen color as well.
So there appears to be some growing confusion online about blue tints with this camera. We do have a video going into that coming up, but to quickly answer your question, the ND filters do not have a blue tint. You'll see from this video that they do shift towards magenta as you increase the stops, but definitely not blue. Where people are confusing this blue tint is with the monitor. On some Pocket 6K Pro's the rear LCD screen has a noticeable shift towards blue, but not all units have this issue, and its something Blackmagic are working to fix in a firmware update. Bit this blue tint does not find its way into the footage, and only affects the rear LCD screen.
Dan
You forgot the 15-85 Canon STM lens. Image and usage-wise it's just as good as the 17-55, and the lens stabilization is better, with a more useful range. I prefer it in most circumstances in run and gun shooting. Also, the 55-255 STM is amazing for run and gun---and lens stabilization is much better than sensor stabilization for elimination of image warpage.
IMO the Sigma is too limited in its range and only good on sticks in a studio. Most all of the hand held footage I've seen using that lens is jittery and unacceptable. The Canon stable of STM lenses is very good---and inexpensive---ideal for most run and gun situations.
Hi William, did I understand you correctly: the lens correction of the lens works with the 6K pro?
And how about the autofocus? Does he work too?
I am looking forward to your answer!
Thank you and health!
Very nice and honest video. Thanks for making it!!! Can you make a video testing the bmpcc 6k pro using the Sigma Cine 18-35mm lens you have at your left? Thanks again.
weired question: I am a mainly video normally shooting 24 or 30 and thinking which one should I get A7iv or Pocket 6k pro?
I guess I’ll wait. Thanks!!!
I bet there is an 8K BMPCC coming with an RF mount. BTW I have the cheap set of Rokinon Cine lenses with an EF mount and they work just fine.
how often so they release new products? the 6k pro just came out, right?
There is the Sigma 24-70mm.
RF Mount? Are you absolutely insane? Hilarious and insane idea.
hello
I am equipped with NIKON lenses from 14-24 mm to 24-70 and 70-200 mm F2.8.
Does the Pocket 6K Pro perform with these lenses? And which adapter to choose?
Also couldn't you add another stop, such as adding an additional ND?
Muy buen video! Saludos desde Perú.
how do u focus the subject when the subject is walking towards the camera? ... is focus peaking reliable?
Great video! What do you think about irix cinema lenses for this camera?!
Thanks in advance and sorry for my English i'm still learning
Does it work well with DJI auto focus module?
It’s a pity canon probably wouldn’t license their autofocus to BMD for these cameras.
Absolutely looking forward the next videos!!! I just released a video about the pocket 6k pro (not as technical as yours 😄), but it’s my way of expressing my happiness and satisfaction with this camera. You also mentioned some good lenses!!! I got the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 as I needed a wide angle. What do you think about the Meike lenses. They’ve done (ai believe) a 24mm EF. I would love to start investing in cinema lenses!!! Thanks indeed Carl. Great as always 🙏
We'll be sure to take a look! The Tamaron is a good option also. We haven't had a chance to take a look at the Meike lenses yet, but they're ones we'd love to take a look at.
Dan
@@ProAVTV Thanks a lot Dan 🙏. Carl mentioned there are some lenses that will have AF with this camera! I didn’t know!!! Which ones are those??? Thanks again
So all of the lenses he mentioned in the video, like the Canon 17-55 (& Their L Series range) the Sigma 18-35mm will all allow the one shot AF of the camera.
18-35mm: www.proav.co.uk/sigma-18-35mm-f-1-8-dc-hsm-art-lens-canon-fit
17-55mm: www.proav.co.uk/canon-ef-s-17-55mm-f-28-is-usm
Dan
@@ProAVTV Thank you SO much Dan 🙏🙏🙏
why about Sigma 17-50 f2.8?
Hi, maybe a stupid question but would a lens attached IR-Filter fix the problem with the IR-Pollution? :)
Yes adding an IR cut filter would solve the issue.
Dan
Yes it does. I can confirm :)
@@ProAVTV Is there any good ones that you can recommend?
@@techlyn been using b+w for the last 3 years and can confirm is the best filter brand I’ve ever used. Get the ir cut from them.
than you for honest review :)
Great and informative as always. I still don't get why/how people who claim to be filmmakers or at least, supposedly video makers tend to whine so much about autofocus on a camera that is specifically tagged "Cinema Camera". The whole fuss about autofocus always sounds somewhat funny sha.
I don't use AF either but FX9 does it perfectly and since BMD is so good at softwares, there's no reason to not have as good AF as FX9's. Why would you not get all the help of technology you can get?
@@cmdr.shepard Well you just said it, you don't use AF. And like many other pro videographers/filmmakers out there who barely use AF. Which is why I'm wondering, why then do we have to make a fuss about a feature we don't use?
Ive never used autofocus or ibis and could careless about either haha.
@@niyistark85 I wouldn't use it, but I'm pissed the camera doesn't come with a cup holder. = P
@@4seeableTV well ummm that's definitely a valid reason to be pissed about the camera. How dare BMD deny the great filmmakers out there something to hold their coffee cups while shooting. This is unacceptable.
Quick question on autofocus - if I got the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II with autofocus, will the autofocus work in the traditional sense?
it works like shown here in the video
I love it's use of Sony NPF -570 batteries.
Please what lenses are on the table. I would love to know the names of all 3 of them. Thanks
sigma 18-35 1.8 on camera. canon EF 50mm f1.2 L, walimax/samyang/rokinon 35mm 1.5, sigma 18-35 t2 cine (optically identical to the 18-35 photo lens, in a cine re-housing).
Autofocus (continues) and IBIS should be included in these cameras for one simple reason. It is supposed to be a POCKET camera. That means we need all these basic functions (focus, stabilization etc) integrated in this POCKET camera. If we need to carry with us complex autofocus systems, stabilizers etc, then, really tell me, why to buy o POCKET camera if you need equipment x 5 the size of a camera ? Go for a normal camera.
so you would say the tiffen pro mist 1/4 filter is better than these built in ND's, right ?
Pro Mist and NDs are two completely different kind of filters that do different jobs. They can be used in tandem.
@@tb1235 thanks, bro..🙌🏽💯🇺🇸
I'd rather have e mount or l mount to rf
shame this can't be paired with Sirui's Anamorphics....
Blackmagic needs to add a good build-in stabilization, better low light, and a flip screen.
and maybe full frame and a7s III like autofocus?
and autofocus
@@exinexi then it will be the 2-3x the price 🤣
@@electronicfellows2113 True
Just use a screw on IR filter... protects the lenses too
Yep, a screw on IR filter will help.
Dan
Which cine lens 18-35mm is that on the far right side?
As he says in the video, it’s the Sigma Cine 18-35.
@@carlruessmann thanks!
Picking on the way how the ND looks when changing is a bit harsh. Who cares how it moves or shifts, it gets the job done, that's the important thing. No one switches ND filter in the middle of a shoot. Who needs an autofocus using this camera? This is a cinema camera, LOL, if you need autofocus, grab an A7SIII.
How come your lcd screen is not blue like all the people who are having the same issue?
We do have the blue tint issue. The screen looks too cool in temperature, as if like the WB is off by roughly 2000 Kelvin
Carl
If they ever fix the auto focus and make it better they could take my money
Presentation becomes inauthentic (lacks authority/cannot be trusted) when it assumes as a foregone conclusion that RF mount couldn't happen. That's just an argument from the accounting department about cost/benefit from investing in redesign. Everyone knows that EF mount is extinct going forward, and it happened after the launch of the original 6K, so the landscape totally changed for EF. Also, note that the Cinema EOS C70 has built-in ND on RF mount.
Canon is a much bigger company with a bigger R&D department, and this is Blackmagic's first motorized ND system. Canon also has the ability to just force a new lens mount onto the market. Blackmagic doesn't have that luxury. All RF mount does is force people into buying canon cameras because they'll be too heavily invested in a proprietary lens mount.
@@TwatMcGee I agree; however, is there actual evidence (besides speculation) that Canon refuses to license RF mount for other camera manufacturers? That would be self-destructive as a business strategy, of course, since rapid growth of RF mount is in their best interests.
Hibe
Once a week, huh?
We use these cameras for nfl games. The camera is perfect. Stop whining about small things. This “ it’s not perfect “ and “ for the price “. Anything a few thousand is not cheap to me.