I think this would be a good video idea however as someone already mentioned, it would need to be a really great store or they'd have to go to MANY thrift stores. Biggest one near me maybe has 2-3 power tools and I live in a bigger city... Still would be a fun concept.
I use that exact electricians pouch at work everyday as a maintenance mechanic. It holds all the tools I need for 95% of common repairs. Its really handy
I was screaming at John because a multimeter is pretty much the #1 thing I would have grabbed. I'm a homeowner and I use my multi-meter very frequently. It's not just testing wires, but fixing anything that uses electricity requires it. It's a must have tool. Also, I would have grabbed a soldering iron. That's another tool I frequently use. That said, you should do a Wal-Mart. I would say Target, but their hardware section is stuck on the bare basics. Wal-Mart had a much larger selection of hardware than you'd think.
I'd like to add that he needs to add an edit to the video because, unlike the misuse of the word clip for a magazine, thinking something is grounded when it's only insulated can be a safety concern. Grounded means the electricity has a safe path to travel. Insulated just me it adds resistance for it to travel that path. I know some of us just watch these videos for their entrainment value, but nowadays, more and more people take these things as if they are training material.
@@Thunderbird-2 No clip is just some annoying technical term grounded-ungrounded is are literal opposites that a mistake in those terms could severely harm you
@@Sadensharddrama queen. he does not need to add an edit for a misuse of a word. all of these dudes who think they are trades men gods are insufferable
Homeowner here - just used a fish tape to run ethernet alongside some HVAC ducting in the basement. Can confirm that some homeowners use fish tapes! Edit: I also own rods - it was easier to snake the tape around a bend in the ducting with little clearance to the framing/drywall. I understand that fairly straight shots are easier with rods.
Let me correct that for you: Homeowners who don't own fish sticks use fish tapes. How much time did you spend trying to straighten the fish tape out to get it to slide down the cavity?
@@mikegraham7078why yes ppl who have a tool to do a job don’t usually buy another tool to do the same job if they can avoid it. Shocking. How much time? None extra. If you feed it in straight w the flat of the tape pushed to the back of the drywall it’ll run straight. I get you prefer sticks. Preferences are subjective.
I guess I'm odd, I actually prefer the fiberglass rods for running Cat5/6. I find the fishtape a bit of a nuisance to use most of the time. I guess it comes down to what you are used too.
@@OmegaGamingNetwork I was running it along ducting with a bend and weird angle near the end. Totally would have used rods if it was in-wall or a straight shot. You're not odd!
John I have to say as home owner and worked as an electrician a phish tape is absolutely necessary or rods for straight in wall shots. What I am surprised is that no one decided to get the entire pack of electrical pliers. While Sam is right the line man pliers are like our swiss army knife of tool, diagonal cutters (dikes) are also the next tool in our arsenal that we use. Keyhole saw is next on the list of must haves because I dont know how many time I needed to install a box when the drywall was already up! it is such a pain. But all and all not bad guys that was pretty good!
Should have gotten a drywall saw! Also, would be cool to make them buy the tools, then have a surprise challenge for them with the tools when they get back.
Homeowner here - a fish tape was actually one of the first tools I bought for my house when I was redoing my office and running ethernet cable through the wall. Multi-meter and fish tape are totally necessary for electrical work. Both of you should have bought a drywall saw, since you need to get into your walls for 90% of electrical work.
Been a home owner for near 20 years an i never once used a fish tape or fiber rods. Ive done electrical in my house an shed, an at a few other houses helping my friends out.
I think on your next tool kit challenge, you should have a separate $10 budget for consumables (like the electrical tape, zipties, wire nuts, etc) so that the main budget can focus on tools, because a lot of the consumables people have anyways.
I would start them with basic tools (hammer, screwdrivers, levels) and then have them by the next step of tools. What do you buy if you have the basics already.
@@Dispaminite I think the only basics they get to already count is if it has been in their past tool purchases. I like these coming from the stance of maybe like a kid fresh out of college or someone that just did a major move and have had to rebuy everything.
Definitely worth the extra dollar or two for the one that has a loop for checking the current flow through a wire. My favorite harbor freight electrical tool.
I got that multi meter when they used to give it out free,about 12 years,it never failed me and sometimes I check it again an expensive one and the readings are the same.
@@billyamerican5200 that may be how he got his too.... he literally had like 5 of them and most were still in their packages. Lol he was a lineman until he retired so it was kinda his thing. I sorta followed in his footsteps and became an electrical engineer.
Basics I would recommend: A big three kit (Needlenose, linemans's and dikes), the compact wire strippers, hammer (for hanging boxes), drywall saw, screwdriver set, measure tape (measure runs, find studs, hanging boxes), glow rod (fish tape is really only useful with long tight runs or conduit, you will use glow rod every day), GFCI/ circuit tester, medium quality multimeter (with long probes if possible, otherwise you can probe through the GFCI tester prongs, key for diagnostic work and should be most expensive tool.), knife, cheap stretchy poly dipped gloves, wet noodle (if possible), and a belt pouch( ain't nobody want to haul around a big bag if they can help it). After you get these, then use the rest of the budget on consumables like terminations and tape.
As a homeowner, with most electrical already done, fish tapes are nice, but push/ pull sticks are handy as heck for things like outdoor speakers, and such from the attic to the porch. They tend to ride the roofline vs coiling up
Big John, as a DIY homeowner for 30 years I've found the fish tape to invaluable to pull wires for stereos, TV's, etc thru wall studs and down heat ducting. But I also like that bag you supplied in your kit over the belt bag. And as someone who's worked on live wires before (NO - I don't recommend this at all!) I REALLY like the insulated electrician's screwdrivers over the little battery powered unit. Sam wins - again!
As a homeowner with pets, I've used the wire cutter/stripper so many times to replace cords and plugs. Our puppy ate the cord off the vacuum, fans, and even a space heater. I was amazed she didn't shock herself.
As an electrician, for day to day work (I mainly do commercial and a small amount of residential). I would much rather have John’s setup lol. Only thing I’d be missing is channel locks.
I started a commercial/residential electrician apprenticeship with a whole backpack full of tools, 3 months in and I had condensed it all down to a shoulder pouch of my most used tools 😂
I work in refrigeration. My setup has gone from thousands in tools to an impact driver, 2 screwdrivers, a knife, a multimeter, and some wire strippers. I have connectors, wire nuts, and some self tapping screws in there somewhere. Everything else, even gagues, stays in the van unless needed. Going from working in a shop to field service was one heck of a rude awakening. I don't even use about 80% of my tools anymore
Tool pouch is a necessity for me. I climb a ladder I do not want to go up and down. Just walking away from a table or bag to a different room is time wasted going back for a tool. Setting stuff down all over instead of it being on your hip. I’ve bought every pouch I see for years to find my favorites.
Yeah, very different tools. Honestly you want all of them in your kit at home because they will cover everything you possible could need. You want that little light up plug in to check your work or to check old outlets (would be surprised how often old stuff is wired wrong). You want the breaker finder because it turns a 20 minute task into 30 seconds, and you want the live sensor for just about anytime you are doing electrical work.
He made the right choice. I needed and used fish tape less than a year into owning my 2nd home without previous electrical experience. Those tools in the winning bag were absolutely more useful from my experience.
John absolutely should have won this one for a bunch of reasons. I bought a house and changed every outlet and switch so they all matched and that electric screw driver is worth its weight in gold for that kind of job
They both used the app and had inside track pricing though. So I don't see how it is cheating. Also as somebody who has used a fish tape and a multimeter more than most of those tools I just can't agree with him that he finds them too advanced/not useful.@@hinderwl
Seriously... I smiled the whole time. It was fun to watch, though I have to say, I would have voted for Johns. Most homeowners only need to know "Power Present, Power Not Present" I doubt many need to know the exact voltage or current and the already have the line tester for continuity. The power driver can be used for more things than just electrical, so that makes it a better homeowner choice. And the bag is what did it for me. I have a plumbing bag and an electrical bag and a general repair bag. Mostly because I have daughters that ALWAYS need something fixed/installed
John I beg to differ with you as a home owner, I have used a fish tape. As pulling line through conduit that you have had to buy to add a circuit, for an outdoor storage building/shop that you added to your house that fish tape comes in handy. It also comes in handy, for plumbing work when you do not have an drain snake. And I did need a fish when I sat a remote storage building for my shop onto my property to run electrical from the power pole to the storage shed with underground PVC electrical conduit.
What are Yinz doing so far north? The cranberry Twp store is my territory! lol. We should definitely hook up for a collab sometime! I'm sure RUclips would love to see two native Yinzers build some awesome stuff together!
I yelled at my phone when John said about the can of zip ties (not multi colered) i still have mine bought back in 2018. Also got my shop shades with some shirts in the mail yesterday. They're not lying, so comfortable!
That four in one screwdriver you were holding is awesome. I’ve had mine for many many years and it has served me well in different situations. In my opinion it is very well-made and very sturdy.
Please keep doing these challenges, they're so good. Not that I don't love Chris' judging, but what about asking a local business person to judge? Like, have a local electrician pick which electrical toolkit they would carry. Just a thought, love the content.
So I did solar for about 3 years and my number 1 tool was my linemans, definitely my go to tool for electrical work, the fact Jhon doesn't have linemans in a huge oversight but Jhon definitely has the win for me
I don't just use fish tape, I use rods too! Ever tried running 14-2 through a cathedral ceiling packed with 30 year old blown-in cellulose insulation? RODS, BABY. :D
This channel is Cool as A Canadian 🍁 winter day you actually help people out with these videos where people can do home remodeling and home repairs with a low budget and thats more than you think with today's economy
Harbor Freight is like Walmart, you hate that you HAVE to go there, but can't deny its function and role in society. Also they have some hidden gems. Currently, around me are two of their magnet mount lights that are silly bright have a great spread that has zero hot spots as well, USB C battery powered too.
it’s a pretty good experience when you think about it. The place is manageably small where you’re not running around looking for stuff, usually not full of people, and it’s kept really neat and tidy.
Ngl, it's a pain the ass having to find stuff in Home Depot big store and long aisles especially when it's a different location (all have different aisle setups)
I've used a fish tape many times. Running network cables, in wall HDMI, security cameras, and installing outlets and fixtures. Another thing I use, but was outside of this challenge budget, is a probe camera. Sometimes you just have to see inside the wall directly.
Sorry John, everyone already has a drill, the electric screwdriver is trash! And every homeowner uses some kind of fishtape, though it's typically just string you had laying around! Love these challenges, always fun!
Maybe because I got soft hands or something, but I also think a ratcheting screwdriver is overkill too. Like unless you're doing commercial where it's 100's at a time, taking a face plate on and off isn't that strenuous a task.
I have to agree, that fish tape purchase is kind of out there for a *beginner's* (I think this was for a beginner) electrical toolkit. And I also have to agree that John's bigger toolbag really kind of stole the show for organizational, grab-and-go purposes. Good choice.
bro had me with the fish tape too imo i "thought" hell ill never/rarely use this... lord has that tool been my go to favorite tool for wire managment and pulling wires thru automotive, bikes, kiddo projects and house projects. honestly has been even a life saver when it has come to running my own security system and new updated internet aswell as rewiring the house. Who woulda thought owning a older home would NEED such a tool so often
The fibreglass rods (fish sticks) are FAR more useful for residential almost everywhere (calm down, Chicago... I said *almost*...). Fish tape is for conduit, not so useful for wall cavities. Can it be done? Yes. That doesn't make it right.
The electric screw driver is Huge. I have a 4v skill that I use for installing receptacles and switches to the boxes. These low voltage screwdrivers are nice because they don’t have enough power to damage anything.
Harbor freight electrical tools worry me as an electrician. If anyone is considering this same stuff I’d always make sure power is off. If your working on live go with something like Milwaukee and Klein or a name of the sort. You wanna make sure you don’t get electrocuted because your tools are compromised. Great video tho guys!
@Driver8takeabreak wouldn't recommend homeowners working on circuits live, but service calls are the money makers for electricians because of DIY'ers mistakes. 😂
Homeowner here with not 1, not 2, but 3 fish tapes ( 2 steel and one fiberglass). Funnily enough, I have the same screwdriver set - and in HFT tradition, the flat blades have twisted but they're cheap as chips so it's not a big deal to replace them. And gloves would be a good item - saves having to flip breakers when changing switches and outlets ;-)
@@gabrielarrhenius6252 do you wanna use reading comprehension? Most modern houses don't have devices you need to reset clocks on in every room. Also how often are you doing electrical work on your house?
the powered version made it null and void. Yet I have both and agree, sticking to a budget would rather have a ratchet over electric powered as it will be dead in a decade with battery or failure...
tbf if you install outlets and whatnot you should DEFINETLY get a small level. Like a 40cm one. And for three phase outlets I recommend a tester too. Most of the new outlets have written on which wire should go to which contact, but sometimes they don‘t. Especially if you work in a rush it‘s always a common problem I see that phases get switched around by accident.
I think my fave.. watching the whole time, knowing where ya'll are.. "LET IT BE MY HARBOR FREIGHT!"... and it was! (love that new store in Crarnberry!)
@AndyAitken first, most of the tools at HF aren't up to the task of daily pro use. Having said that, here is a list of essentials from a 26 year electrician who specializes in remodeling and service work. Hammer, jab saw, torpedo level, strippers, 8" dykes, screwdrivers - 3/16 blade straight, #2 Phillips, and #1 robertson, and a set of fiberglass fish sticks. Some other things can make things easier, but that will get you through 99% of the jobs an average homeowner would tackle.
You can't say, not known for quality tools, then say as you park, quality tools at a low price. Plenty of quality in their tools...look at the many top star reviews, even for something you may want. Funny video with misnaming 1/2 of the tools they bought/didn't need and their uses...lol. More! Love it!
8 years ago I installed an antenna in my attic. Guess how I got the cable from the attic to the basement... A FISHTAPE! I look forward to you guys every week. HOW BOUT THOSE CHIEFS!
This is where the argument of Fish Tape VS Electric screwdriver falls for me, Yep, Home owners may at some point use a Fish tape, however in your example you used it 8 YEARS ago, in that time, how many times would you have made use of an electric screw driver? The fish tape for me is a 'buy one when you need it' item, the electric screwdriver is a 'needs to be there when putting together the tool kit' item
Maybe its just me, but a soldering iron is a must. Wire nuts are great and all, but nothing beats a solid connection where the wire will snap first before the soldered part.
I have never seen or heard of soldering wire for a home setting before. We certainly didn't do that when I was in the mobile home building industry. I was the panel box man and a wire Nutting I would go.
I bought one of those Bauer electric screwdrivers when we bought our house and I knew I have to replace a hundred outlets, door knobs, hinges, etc. I was actually blown away by the torque and battery capacity in that thing!
I just bought a house last year and I have never heard of fish tape. I do need one of those outlet fuse finder thingys though. My breaker box is mislabeled big time. Colored zip ties are better because you can organize wires using color. My entertainment center is a bird's nest of wires. I tried leveling stuff, but my house was built in 1956 and IT'S NOT level. So, I have to eyeball everything and use a tape measure, so it doesn't look crooked, like my 150-inch projector screen. Most of the stuff they got I already have. Big roll of DUCT TAPE is a must in any tool kit for anything.
I bought a fishtape 20 years ago for running speaker wire under the carpet in my apartment. I have used it so often for running electrical and networking cable in my house that I’m glad I made that purchase all those years ago.
John, I hate to tell you this. I am not an electrician, and I have 3 different fish tapes. One for short plus from an attic to a crawl space, a medium one for slightly longer pulls and a 50 footer for long pulls. One of my latest pulls I actually had to connect my short and long pulls together.
Have an uncle who thought he was being cool buying an impact from harbor freight Kept telling us it was 'just as powerful as that Milwaukee' Now I have all Milwaukee because that's the battery platform I'm in, but I'm indifferent on red vs yellow He thought some bolt on his caliper was seized since his littlw HF impact couldn't turn it loose, but my 3/8" stubby broke it loose without effort
@@robotbro7187 the new Jacks like the dayton are definitely good, the early ones they sold were sketchy at best. Their ICON line is good, the lower levels are not. The wrenches are not precise and are made to poor standards. Their power tools just aren't good either. You could spend a little more money and get a better tool. I'm not saying buy Dewalt or Milwaukee, but even Ryobi are heads above HF power tools. A hammer is a hammer, they're all good enough. I've never seen an HF bar clamp hold, they all slide once you apply any real pressure. HF is for buying cheap gloves and polishing wheels
I have a 200ft Klein fish tape that I ran 2 25A circuits to my garage. Absolutely will say fish tape is a must if you are running new circuits outdoors in pvc.
I have been doing home wiring for over 19 years, and have never used a fish tape. Also Would rather carry a bag vs, a small side pouch that you don't have everything you need every time. I like the outlet/ breaker finder tool. As well as having a multimeter. I don't usually use a power screwdriver. Nice competition guys.
Fish tape is great for hiding wires/cables when you mount a TV so I'd give that credit. The bag is way nicer and if you've ever had an electric screwdriver, you know they're way handier than you think! I'd go with Johns pile for sure.
Maybe a different kind of challenge, both people get a budget and have to build something, like a chair or a desk. But you can only use items (wood, tools etc) from your budget. Maybe even without using just one store. That also adds opportunities for Craigslist etc
I love how you guys made this a competition! 😂 It's like tool Olympics but without the medals. And I totally agree about the drywall saw, but also a contour gauge could've been a game changer! 🛠️ Keep these challenges coming! 💪
HF has really some quality tools. As a homeowner HF is the only place I buy tools from. Their power tools are great with a great warranty and a store front to exchange those warranty issues if you ever have any.
Home owner here. When I bought my house the first stop was.... Habor Freight, bought the fish tape and glow rods with some other random items. To this day I still use my fish tape and rods, prolly should of bought a dry wall saw. The pouch is handy as well. Who needs a bag of crap when you strap on a pouch when working in upper areas like actics
I use the fiberglass sticks way more than any fish tape! They work great running wires and since they stiff it’s easier to run! I’ve found the fish tape gets stuck on other wires and insulation in the walls but the fiberglass rods slide right thru it nicely!
I agree. Saying a homeowner wouldn't need fish tape is crazy. And a volt meter is useful in so many ways, not just in the home but also for auto, and checking anything electrical that breaks, not just your grid.
Set a project…. Like a tv stand.. Then give yourself a budget to build the whole thing including tools and materials, you can frame it as “im a college student and i need an X.. but i only have £200”
How about a rummage sale tool challenge. See who can put together the best kit on a budget from rummage sales? Or who can find the best quality tools from rummage sales? Or even tools from thrift stores?
Needle nose Wire stripper/crimp combo 1 philips head, 2 flathead drivers - large and small Electrical tape Multimeter Crimp connectors Wire nuts Bonus: Fish tape Hole saw kit (assuming you already have a drill) Drywall saw What'd I miss here?
I have that multimeter, that I use everywhere except my work bench. On my bench I have a Fluke. I've had the HF multimeter for years and it works great.
I use my fish tape (and I have the rods too) a lot. The multimeter is great also. But i would have chose John's because having things in an organized bag is very key for me. I've said this before you should try Wal-Mart, not all of America has access to the larger box stores.
Hear me out goodwill/ thrift store tool challenge.
Yes, this.
Most likely would be more expensive than new 😂
Gotta be a good store, most don’t have shot for tools
I think this would be a good video idea however as someone already mentioned, it would need to be a really great store or they'd have to go to MANY thrift stores. Biggest one near me maybe has 2-3 power tools and I live in a bigger city... Still would be a fun concept.
How about a flea market challenge?
You can use any plug in radio to find the correct circuit breaker. Just crank the volume up and wait for it to stop when you get to the right breaker.
I use fans or a shopvac. As I use earbuds or bluetooth speakers. Haven't listened to the radio in, at least a decade.
Unless your circuit panel is in the garage. Or even worse, you have an antiquated 6 throw panel on the outside of your house...
or you are in a setting where you cant afford to trip the wrong breaker
I've used HF circuit breaker finder for years. Good for working in someones home when you don't want to turn off things they don't want turned off.
I use that exact electricians pouch at work everyday as a maintenance mechanic. It holds all the tools I need for 95% of common repairs. Its really handy
I was screaming at John because a multimeter is pretty much the #1 thing I would have grabbed. I'm a homeowner and I use my multi-meter very frequently. It's not just testing wires, but fixing anything that uses electricity requires it. It's a must have tool. Also, I would have grabbed a soldering iron. That's another tool I frequently use.
That said, you should do a Wal-Mart. I would say Target, but their hardware section is stuck on the bare basics. Wal-Mart had a much larger selection of hardware than you'd think.
Who all shook their head when he said “these screwdrivers are GrOuNdED” like dude they’re not grounded…. They’re insulated…
GROUNDED in the electrical world is like CLIP in the gun world.
Use of the word almost defines the skill of the speaker.
I'd like to add that he needs to add an edit to the video because, unlike the misuse of the word clip for a magazine, thinking something is grounded when it's only insulated can be a safety concern.
Grounded means the electricity has a safe path to travel. Insulated just me it adds resistance for it to travel that path.
I know some of us just watch these videos for their entrainment value, but nowadays, more and more people take these things as if they are training material.
@@Thunderbird-2 No clip is just some annoying technical term grounded-ungrounded is are literal opposites that a mistake in those terms could severely harm you
I Came here to say that
@@Sadensharddrama queen. he does not need to add an edit for a misuse of a word. all of these dudes who think they are trades men gods are insufferable
Should have gotten a head lamp. Doing electrical work, you usually need both of your hands but need light.
Anytime I do electrical work the breaker is off, which means the lights aren’t on……. Headlamp is a definite winner for sure!
I have a portable light that lights up most of the room and it runs off the same batteries as my drills - head torch in very tight places I guess
I by a few tools form Harberfrite. They are good tools I pulled a engine out with Harberfrite tools
Homeowner here - just used a fish tape to run ethernet alongside some HVAC ducting in the basement. Can confirm that some homeowners use fish tapes!
Edit: I also own rods - it was easier to snake the tape around a bend in the ducting with little clearance to the framing/drywall. I understand that fairly straight shots are easier with rods.
Let me correct that for you: Homeowners who don't own fish sticks use fish tapes. How much time did you spend trying to straighten the fish tape out to get it to slide down the cavity?
Was coming here to say almost the exact same thing. Gotta be able to fish that Ethernet around the house
@@mikegraham7078why yes ppl who have a tool to do a job don’t usually buy another tool to do the same job if they can avoid it. Shocking.
How much time? None extra. If you feed it in straight w the flat of the tape pushed to the back of the drywall it’ll run straight. I get you prefer sticks. Preferences are subjective.
I guess I'm odd, I actually prefer the fiberglass rods for running Cat5/6. I find the fishtape a bit of a nuisance to use most of the time. I guess it comes down to what you are used too.
@@OmegaGamingNetwork I was running it along ducting with a bend and weird angle near the end. Totally would have used rods if it was in-wall or a straight shot. You're not odd!
John I have to say as home owner and worked as an electrician a phish tape is absolutely necessary or rods for straight in wall shots. What I am surprised is that no one decided to get the entire pack of electrical pliers. While Sam is right the line man pliers are like our swiss army knife of tool, diagonal cutters (dikes) are also the next tool in our arsenal that we use. Keyhole saw is next on the list of must haves because I dont know how many time I needed to install a box when the drywall was already up! it is such a pain. But all and all not bad guys that was pretty good!
With a decent recip saw, keyhole saws are obsolete!
@@scottbitz5222If I saw someone cutting in a box with a sawzall id have an aneurysm
Should have gotten a drywall saw! Also, would be cool to make them buy the tools, then have a surprise challenge for them with the tools when they get back.
I came here to say that as well.
a drywall saw is critical.
Yes. A jab saw would have been a good addition. Also a head lamp and an extension cord (over a pouch and multimeter, and a circuit finder)
Ooh yeah! Having an unknown challenge that they're buying for would make this format way more interesting!
Best drywall saw is a multitool or rattail mini circular saw. No need to do that manually unless there is no other option.
That would be hilarious. You got a kit, now SURPRISE wire the garage for a car lift and every time you go back for a new thing you lose points.
Homeowner here - a fish tape was actually one of the first tools I bought for my house when I was redoing my office and running ethernet cable through the wall. Multi-meter and fish tape are totally necessary for electrical work. Both of you should have bought a drywall saw, since you need to get into your walls for 90% of electrical work.
Yesss
Been a home owner for near 20 years an i never once used a fish tape or fiber rods. Ive done electrical in my house an shed, an at a few other houses helping my friends out.
I think on your next tool kit challenge, you should have a separate $10 budget for consumables (like the electrical tape, zipties, wire nuts, etc) so that the main budget can focus on tools, because a lot of the consumables people have anyways.
not if they are just starting out though I think this challenge has been like if you dont have it at all.
I would start them with basic tools (hammer, screwdrivers, levels) and then have them by the next step of tools. What do you buy if you have the basics already.
@@Dispaminite I think the only basics they get to already count is if it has been in their past tool purchases. I like these coming from the stance of maybe like a kid fresh out of college or someone that just did a major move and have had to rebuy everything.
"How long will this multimeter last?" I've had that multimeter for about 6 years, and it's never failed me.
Definitely worth the extra dollar or two for the one that has a loop for checking the current flow through a wire. My favorite harbor freight electrical tool.
Yah I picked one up when they were giving them away for free still have it and works great.
They work great, I have one my grandpa got probably 10 years ago. I use a fluke most of the time, but the cheap one works just fine.
I got that multi meter when they used to give it out free,about 12 years,it never failed me and sometimes I check it again an expensive one and the readings are the same.
@@billyamerican5200 that may be how he got his too.... he literally had like 5 of them and most were still in their packages. Lol he was a lineman until he retired so it was kinda his thing. I sorta followed in his footsteps and became an electrical engineer.
Basics I would recommend: A big three kit (Needlenose, linemans's and dikes), the compact wire strippers, hammer (for hanging boxes), drywall saw, screwdriver set, measure tape (measure runs, find studs, hanging boxes), glow rod (fish tape is really only useful with long tight runs or conduit, you will use glow rod every day), GFCI/ circuit tester, medium quality multimeter (with long probes if possible, otherwise you can probe through the GFCI tester prongs, key for diagnostic work and should be most expensive tool.), knife, cheap stretchy poly dipped gloves, wet noodle (if possible), and a belt pouch( ain't nobody want to haul around a big bag if they can help it). After you get these, then use the rest of the budget on consumables like terminations and tape.
Dude, Joe is hilarious!!! We need more of him talking on the vids
Sam has his truck seat, so upright, he’s basically falling forward 😂
I'm concerned about the angle of that seat
Hes posted up like Elfyn Evans from the WRC!
Happy I wasn't the only one bothered by it lol
That airbag isn't going to taste very well if he gets in an accident. Dangerous to sit that close.
It might be a broken ranger seat
As a homeowner, with most electrical already done, fish tapes are nice, but push/ pull sticks are handy as heck for things like outdoor speakers, and such from the attic to the porch. They tend to ride the roofline vs coiling up
Big John, as a DIY homeowner for 30 years I've found the fish tape to invaluable to pull wires for stereos, TV's, etc thru wall studs and down heat ducting. But I also like that bag you supplied in your kit over the belt bag. And as someone who's worked on live wires before (NO - I don't recommend this at all!) I REALLY like the insulated electrician's screwdrivers over the little battery powered unit. Sam wins - again!
As a homeowner with pets, I've used the wire cutter/stripper so many times to replace cords and plugs. Our puppy ate the cord off the vacuum, fans, and even a space heater. I was amazed she didn't shock herself.
As an electrician, for day to day work (I mainly do commercial and a small amount of residential). I would much rather have John’s setup lol. Only thing I’d be missing is channel locks.
And or sheetrock saw
gotta have a multimeter lmao
I started a commercial/residential electrician apprenticeship with a whole backpack full of tools, 3 months in and I had condensed it all down to a shoulder pouch of my most used tools 😂
I work in refrigeration. My setup has gone from thousands in tools to an impact driver, 2 screwdrivers, a knife, a multimeter, and some wire strippers. I have connectors, wire nuts, and some self tapping screws in there somewhere. Everything else, even gagues, stays in the van unless needed.
Going from working in a shop to field service was one heck of a rude awakening. I don't even use about 80% of my tools anymore
Tool pouch is a necessity for me. I climb a ladder I do not want to go up and down. Just walking away from a table or bag to a different room is time wasted going back for a tool. Setting stuff down all over instead of it being on your hip. I’ve bought every pouch I see for years to find my favorites.
Love these $100 challenges! Kinda surprised at the outcome. Just a bit. No Spoilers!
Next one = Ace Hardware.
100 bucks at Ace doesn't get you very far.
@@mikekristin7201 yeah lol they might get a screwdriver XD maybe a pack of gum
@@mikekristin7201
Exactly! That's why it would be a good challenge.
21:00 The breaker finder only finds the breaker. The tester tells you if it's wired correctly and that little button tells you if a GFCI is working.
Yeah, very different tools. Honestly you want all of them in your kit at home because they will cover everything you possible could need. You want that little light up plug in to check your work or to check old outlets (would be surprised how often old stuff is wired wrong). You want the breaker finder because it turns a 20 minute task into 30 seconds, and you want the live sensor for just about anytime you are doing electrical work.
He made the right choice. I needed and used fish tape less than a year into owning my 2nd home without previous electrical experience. Those tools in the winning bag were absolutely more useful from my experience.
John absolutely should have won this one for a bunch of reasons. I bought a house and changed every outlet and switch so they all matched and that electric screw driver is worth its weight in gold for that kind of job
Sam cheating didn't help also. Next challenge needs to be in a neutral store neither has been in and no usage of rewards through the app.
They both used the app and had inside track pricing though. So I don't see how it is cheating.
Also as somebody who has used a fish tape and a multimeter more than most of those tools I just can't agree with him that he finds them too advanced/not useful.@@hinderwl
@@hinderwlagreed
Seriously... I smiled the whole time. It was fun to watch, though I have to say, I would have voted for Johns. Most homeowners only need to know "Power Present, Power Not Present" I doubt many need to know the exact voltage or current and the already have the line tester for continuity. The power driver can be used for more things than just electrical, so that makes it a better homeowner choice. And the bag is what did it for me. I have a plumbing bag and an electrical bag and a general repair bag. Mostly because I have daughters that ALWAYS need something fixed/installed
My father now retired was an electrician down here in New Zealand and yes, sorry John lol, going fishing for wires is very common.
John I beg to differ with you as a home owner, I have used a fish tape. As pulling line through conduit that you have had to buy to add a circuit, for an outdoor storage building/shop that you added to your house that fish tape comes in handy. It also comes in handy, for plumbing work when you do not have an drain snake. And I did need a fish when I sat a remote storage building for my shop onto my property to run electrical from the power pole to the storage shed with underground PVC electrical conduit.
You should build something with your toolkit next!
What are Yinz doing so far north? The cranberry Twp store is my territory! lol. We should definitely hook up for a collab sometime! I'm sure RUclips would love to see two native Yinzers build some awesome stuff together!
I yelled at my phone when John said about the can of zip ties (not multi colered) i still have mine bought back in 2018. Also got my shop shades with some shirts in the mail yesterday. They're not lying, so comfortable!
0:13
Hey that's me !
Bro your famous now
Idk… looks more like 0:14 to me
Your Mom was right, You are Special !
Bro is famous now
That four in one screwdriver you were holding is awesome. I’ve had mine for many many years and it has served me well in different situations. In my opinion it is very well-made and very sturdy.
Please keep doing these challenges, they're so good.
Not that I don't love Chris' judging, but what about asking a local business person to judge? Like, have a local electrician pick which electrical toolkit they would carry. Just a thought, love the content.
That's a dang good ideal get local electrician and even do a plumbing one to be good content
But this is for a DIY homeowner, not a pro electrician. I think another DIY-type would be a better judge.
Coming from a homeowner who knows shit about homeownering and fixing stuff. I really appreciate these videos!
Home owner here. Yep, fish tape and fiberglass rods. I am always running ethernet for something. Or mounting TV's on the wall.
So I did solar for about 3 years and my number 1 tool was my linemans, definitely my go to tool for electrical work, the fact Jhon doesn't have linemans in a huge oversight but Jhon definitely has the win for me
I don't just use fish tape, I use rods too! Ever tried running 14-2 through a cathedral ceiling packed with 30 year old blown-in cellulose insulation? RODS, BABY. :D
This channel is Cool as A Canadian 🍁 winter day you actually help people out with these videos where people can do home remodeling and home repairs with a low budget and thats more than you think with today's economy
Harbor Freight is like Walmart, you hate that you HAVE to go there, but can't deny its function and role in society. Also they have some hidden gems. Currently, around me are two of their magnet mount lights that are silly bright have a great spread that has zero hot spots as well, USB C battery powered too.
it’s a pretty good experience when you think about it. The place is manageably small where you’re not running around looking for stuff, usually not full of people, and it’s kept really neat and tidy.
I dont hate it.
Ngl, it's a pain the ass having to find stuff in Home Depot big store and long aisles especially when it's a different location (all have different aisle setups)
@@SoFreshBlazeBut I find they are set up the same, but they are flipped 180° in some stores.
I've used a fish tape many times. Running network cables, in wall HDMI, security cameras, and installing outlets and fixtures.
Another thing I use, but was outside of this challenge budget, is a probe camera. Sometimes you just have to see inside the wall directly.
I used a fish tape last month running a new line. Came in really handy!
Loved this as a hb worker! The affordable tools are what got me into woodworking and more
Sorry John, everyone already has a drill, the electric screwdriver is trash! And every homeowner uses some kind of fishtape, though it's typically just string you had laying around! Love these challenges, always fun!
A string is not a replacement for a fiahtape/rods
Maybe because I got soft hands or something, but I also think a ratcheting screwdriver is overkill too. Like unless you're doing commercial where it's 100's at a time, taking a face plate on and off isn't that strenuous a task.
I have to agree, that fish tape purchase is kind of out there for a *beginner's* (I think this was for a beginner) electrical toolkit. And I also have to agree that John's bigger toolbag really kind of stole the show for organizational, grab-and-go purposes. Good choice.
2 red ranger car show?! 😎
bro had me with the fish tape too imo i "thought" hell ill never/rarely use this... lord has that tool been my go to favorite tool for wire managment and pulling wires thru automotive, bikes, kiddo projects and house projects. honestly has been even a life saver when it has come to running my own security system and new updated internet aswell as rewiring the house. Who woulda thought owning a older home would NEED such a tool so often
The fibreglass rods (fish sticks) are FAR more useful for residential almost everywhere (calm down, Chicago... I said *almost*...). Fish tape is for conduit, not so useful for wall cavities. Can it be done? Yes. That doesn't make it right.
Tape is easy in a wall. Between the two, I'd much rather use the tape.
Control electricians, put on thousands of thermostats.
Chicago will never calm down! It's not in our nature
The electric screw driver is Huge. I have a 4v skill that I use for installing receptacles and switches to the boxes. These low voltage screwdrivers are nice because they don’t have enough power to damage anything.
I’ve got the 4V Milwaukee and it’s my go to for mostly everything
Harbor freight electrical tools worry me as an electrician. If anyone is considering this same stuff I’d always make sure power is off. If your working on live go with something like Milwaukee and Klein or a name of the sort. You wanna make sure you don’t get electrocuted because your tools are compromised. Great video tho guys!
100%
Would you honestly suggest the average homeowner work on anything live though???
@Driver8takeabreak wouldn't recommend homeowners working on circuits live, but service calls are the money makers for electricians because of DIY'ers mistakes. 😂
@@Driver8takeabreak he said no in his comment...
Homeowner here with not 1, not 2, but 3 fish tapes ( 2 steel and one fiberglass). Funnily enough, I have the same screwdriver set - and in HFT tradition, the flat blades have twisted but they're cheap as chips so it's not a big deal to replace them. And gloves would be a good item - saves having to flip breakers when changing switches and outlets ;-)
Wasted 25 on the circuit detector. Plug a radio into that receptacle and start flipping breakers. Works everytime
Then enjoy re-setting the clocks on every device the rooms that you turned off looking for the right circuit. Barbaric.
@@clinta746Is that really that much of an issue in modern time? Most people use phones as alarm clocks and general time keeping pieces.
@@fyt159 do you wanna do something irritating all the time?
@@gabrielarrhenius6252 do you wanna use reading comprehension? Most modern houses don't have devices you need to reset clocks on in every room. Also how often are you doing electrical work on your house?
@@fyt159 If I had a modern house I wouldn't need to do electrical work. And most people I know have alarm clocks which are in the outlets...
Wow I was surprised Sam won. Awesome little contest, watching the shopping is so great!
The ratchet screwdriver is actually a really good tool for electrical. It would've been my first pick.
the powered version made it null and void. Yet I have both and agree, sticking to a budget would rather have a ratchet over electric powered as it will be dead in a decade with battery or failure...
tbf if you install outlets and whatnot you should DEFINETLY get a small level. Like a 40cm one. And for three phase outlets I recommend a tester too. Most of the new outlets have written on which wire should go to which contact, but sometimes they don‘t. Especially if you work in a rush it‘s always a common problem I see that phases get switched around by accident.
What an ad for Harbor Freight. They should sponsor this channel.
I think my fave.. watching the whole time, knowing where ya'll are.. "LET IT BE MY HARBOR FREIGHT!"... and it was! (love that new store in Crarnberry!)
You can pry my fish tape and poles from my cold, dead hands, John.
I LOVE these videos, and the three difficulty level challenges, you guys are such a cool team!
Not going to lie. As an electrician, this video is hard to watch.
Sure is
The grounded screwdriver was crazy that’s the last thing you want to be
Why did they get a broom ? 😂
What would you buy and why?
@AndyAitken first, most of the tools at HF aren't up to the task of daily pro use. Having said that, here is a list of essentials from a 26 year electrician who specializes in remodeling and service work.
Hammer, jab saw, torpedo level, strippers, 8" dykes, screwdrivers - 3/16 blade straight, #2 Phillips, and #1 robertson, and a set of fiberglass fish sticks.
Some other things can make things easier, but that will get you through 99% of the jobs an average homeowner would tackle.
Sam is made for these challenges. Perfect vibe and reasoning behind his choices. Plus the ol danger ranger is cherry
That's a big ass Harbor Freight.....
Yeah, that was the first thing I thought, lol
I’ve noticed (at least where I’m at) all of the ones they’ve built in the past 5 years or so are a lot bigger than the old ones
You can't say, not known for quality tools, then say as you park, quality tools at a low price. Plenty of quality in their tools...look at the many top star reviews, even for something you may want. Funny video with misnaming 1/2 of the tools they bought/didn't need and their uses...lol. More! Love it!
8 years ago I installed an antenna in my attic. Guess how I got the cable from the attic to the basement... A FISHTAPE! I look forward to you guys every week. HOW BOUT THOSE CHIEFS!
This is where the argument of Fish Tape VS Electric screwdriver falls for me,
Yep, Home owners may at some point use a Fish tape, however in your example you used it 8 YEARS ago, in that time, how many times would you have made use of an electric screw driver?
The fish tape for me is a 'buy one when you need it' item, the electric screwdriver is a 'needs to be there when putting together the tool kit' item
This video is fantastic! So great to see how Harbor Freight works. For the money, how can you go wrong. Keep these things coming, please.
Grounded screwdrivers, that's new lol.
They sound Dangerous !
I think they're popular in India.
Homeowner here, love my fish tape. Used it to run Cat6 throughout my house.. very handy when you need it, but it is not a common household tool.
Maybe its just me, but a soldering iron is a must. Wire nuts are great and all, but nothing beats a solid connection where the wire will snap first before the soldered part.
I have never seen or heard of soldering wire for a home setting before. We certainly didn't do that when I was in the mobile home building industry. I was the panel box man and a wire Nutting I would go.
Soldering is fine for automotive work, not home wiring
Different tool for different tasks, not really applicable
I bought one of those Bauer electric screwdrivers when we bought our house and I knew I have to replace a hundred outlets, door knobs, hinges, etc. I was actually blown away by the torque and battery capacity in that thing!
Dude is going to taylor swift.
I just bought a house last year and I have never heard of fish tape. I do need one of those outlet fuse finder thingys though. My breaker box is mislabeled big time. Colored zip ties are better because you can organize wires using color. My entertainment center is a bird's nest of wires. I tried leveling stuff, but my house was built in 1956 and IT'S NOT level. So, I have to eyeball everything and use a tape measure, so it doesn't look crooked, like my 150-inch projector screen. Most of the stuff they got I already have. Big roll of DUCT TAPE is a must in any tool kit for anything.
Every electrician should have a hammer and measuring tape in their toolbox...
Every sparky I've ever met uses every tool they have as a hammer.
I bought a fishtape 20 years ago for running speaker wire under the carpet in my apartment.
I have used it so often for running electrical and networking cable in my house that I’m glad I made that purchase all those years ago.
12:40 is so wrong LOL
lol insulated, you can still get shocked, the shaft of screw driver is insulated, so there’s less chance of shorting a circuit, less exposed metal
The screwdrivers aren’t “grounded” being grounded is what gets you shocked.
Next time, add a challenge for them to accomplish with the set, like running some wires and installing some junction boxes / outlets. Nice vid!
12:40 Oh man this guy really has no ideas what grounded means 😂
John, I hate to tell you this. I am not an electrician, and I have 3 different fish tapes. One for short plus from an attic to a crawl space, a medium one for slightly longer pulls and a 50 footer for long pulls. One of my latest pulls I actually had to connect my short and long pulls together.
1:45 Half the price and last a quarter of the time.
Have an uncle who thought he was being cool buying an impact from harbor freight
Kept telling us it was 'just as powerful as that Milwaukee'
Now I have all Milwaukee because that's the battery platform I'm in, but I'm indifferent on red vs yellow
He thought some bolt on his caliper was seized since his littlw HF impact couldn't turn it loose, but my 3/8" stubby broke it loose without effort
My hf tools are still going strong 2 years of HVAC and multiple other home repairs and car repair projects later
Hf hand tools and lift jack are good to great. Idk not the other stuff but they def sell some good stuff for a good price
@@robotbro7187 the new Jacks like the dayton are definitely good, the early ones they sold were sketchy at best.
Their ICON line is good, the lower levels are not. The wrenches are not precise and are made to poor standards. Their power tools just aren't good either. You could spend a little more money and get a better tool. I'm not saying buy Dewalt or Milwaukee, but even Ryobi are heads above HF power tools. A hammer is a hammer, they're all good enough. I've never seen an HF bar clamp hold, they all slide once you apply any real pressure.
HF is for buying cheap gloves and polishing wheels
I have a 200ft Klein fish tape that I ran 2 25A circuits to my garage. Absolutely will say fish tape is a must if you are running new circuits outdoors in pvc.
Wow. This series is incredibly useful and entertaining. Good job. Instead of a specific field of home for the missing...do tool organization/storage.
I have been doing home wiring for over 19 years, and have never used a fish tape. Also Would rather carry a bag vs, a small side pouch that you don't have everything you need every time. I like the outlet/ breaker finder tool. As well as having a multimeter. I don't usually use a power screwdriver. Nice competition guys.
Go SAM!!! Definitely the setup I would have gone with!!! Great choice Chris!!
fish tapes are so handy i suggest everyone get one , wont use it alot but when you do it makes getting wires through the wall so easy
Fish tape is great for hiding wires/cables when you mount a TV so I'd give that credit. The bag is way nicer and if you've ever had an electric screwdriver, you know they're way handier than you think! I'd go with Johns pile for sure.
Maybe a different kind of challenge, both people get a budget and have to build something, like a chair or a desk. But you can only use items (wood, tools etc) from your budget. Maybe even without using just one store. That also adds opportunities for Craigslist etc
I love how you guys made this a competition! 😂 It's like tool Olympics but without the medals. And I totally agree about the drywall saw, but also a contour gauge could've been a game changer! 🛠️ Keep these challenges coming! 💪
I love the king👑 of youtube and he makes good videos and i love your channels
Love the challenge format. Always interesting to see how different places like Harbor Freight compare.
John, i did so much of electrician's jobs in all apartments i rented, and i say your kit was better!
HF has really some quality tools. As a homeowner HF is the only place I buy tools from. Their power tools are great with a great warranty and a store front to exchange those warranty issues if you ever have any.
Home owner here. When I bought my house the first stop was.... Habor Freight, bought the fish tape and glow rods with some other random items. To this day I still use my fish tape and rods, prolly should of bought a dry wall saw. The pouch is handy as well. Who needs a bag of crap when you strap on a pouch when working in upper areas like actics
I use the fiberglass sticks way more than any fish tape! They work great running wires and since they stiff it’s easier to run! I’ve found the fish tape gets stuck on other wires and insulation in the walls but the fiberglass rods slide right thru it nicely!
I agree. Saying a homeowner wouldn't need fish tape is crazy. And a volt meter is useful in so many ways, not just in the home but also for auto, and checking anything electrical that breaks, not just your grid.
I've used fish tape and fiberglass rods at both of my homes. Very handy for running ethernet cables.
Set a project…. Like a tv stand..
Then give yourself a budget to build the whole thing including tools and materials, you can frame it as “im a college student and i need an X.. but i only have £200”
How about a rummage sale tool challenge. See who can put together the best kit on a budget from rummage sales? Or who can find the best quality tools from rummage sales? Or even tools from thrift stores?
Needle nose
Wire stripper/crimp combo
1 philips head, 2 flathead drivers - large and small
Electrical tape
Multimeter
Crimp connectors
Wire nuts
Bonus:
Fish tape
Hole saw kit (assuming you already have a drill)
Drywall saw
What'd I miss here?
I've got both a fish tape and the fiberglass poles for running wires, and have used both in running network cables through my house.
I have that multimeter, that I use everywhere except my work bench. On my bench I have a Fluke. I've had the HF multimeter for years and it works great.
I agree, the electric screwdriver is goochi vs the multimeter and the fish tape, you can do more task having those
I use my fish tape (and I have the rods too) a lot. The multimeter is great also. But i would have chose John's because having things in an organized bag is very key for me.
I've said this before you should try Wal-Mart, not all of America has access to the larger box stores.
Homeowner here. Love my fish tape, ethernet wiring and running new outlets