Motorized Gas Bikes VS E-Bikes
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- With the rising popularity in e-bikes these days, I wanted to do a video comparing e-bikes (electric) to motorized bikes (gas powered). This is not a riding video, but rather a discussion about motorized bicycles vs e-bikes, talking about their capabilities, functions, practicality, reliability, and finally my own opinion of what bike i would choose and why!
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00:00 - Intro
00:53 - Comparing practicality
03:02 - Comparing reliability
06:15 - How "fun" are they?
08:15 - How legal are they?
09:48 - My opinion on what is the best bike!
11:43 - Final thoughts
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Comment below which type of bike you prefer and why :)
Motorized bike all day, easy to customize and tune up for more power plus they are a lot cheaper and parts are easy to find and readily available. They are reliable and can go whole day long without complaining. Also feeling a fire breathing engine right underneath you is an experience I never want to give up
Anyone starting out Gas Powered Bike wins 💯 #1 teaches you how basic motorcycle maintenance #2 teaches you how to Use a Clutch #3 they are a blast to ride I've met more bikers and scooter riders having my gas powered bike than I did with my sports bikes and Cruiser get more respect from all riders and it surprises everyone when they see how fast they are lol I like to cruise at 20 25 but can faster if I have to
for me the longer range and faster fill up of a Gas Bike is important.
My main issue is legality. If it is not legal, then it is a deal breaker. I am a diy type person and would like to build a gas powered bike, but if I can't legally ride it then what is the point? Also, I like to camp and most places would not allow a gas bike
for sure! yah it all depends on the area and the laws, for some the ebike is nice that way!
I've built dozens of gas bikes but then I built my first electric.
eBike life 4 ever⚡
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@@allahuakbarboom7.62congratulations for coming out!
Thanks for the video 👍Well I've got a build so simple a cave man could do it. It's a predator 79cc friction drive. As quite as a electric bike,and more dependable than all other builds .
I rode it across America this year Florida to California and back 4500 miles 41 days . No special parts or tools necessary. Can be built in any sized town . All moving parts have been deleted .
If fixing a flat tire is working on your bike then that's what my build is like 💯 it has a real torque sensor so it is real peddle assist, not fake electric assist. Works on any bike with a seat post.
Best tank of gas (half gallon) 78 miles worst tank was 50 miles those numbers includ the Rocky mountains.
I have a few videos on this channel, but my main channel is Jarrod D if someone wants to see more .
Thanks again for the video 🙂👍
Inspiring! thanks for the comment!
Do you got a Amazon link? And what do you mean all moving parts deleted.
@@TheAmericanCatholic i got rid of all the moving parts of a motorized bicycle the most complex part of my build is the trucker bungee. I use direct drive no clutch, no chain , and no breakdowns. Thanks for the reply 👍
I have never built a GAS bike, but i would love to. I have built plenty of ebikes, and it would be nice to be learn more about gas engines and eventually 4 stroke Motorbikes. When it comes to range, eletric motorbikes are no where near petrol powered motorbikes.
Gasbike a pollute.but…. A ebike production will cost carbon more than a gas bike will produce in a lifetime.. we see this in cars and the best ev in a cleaner fuel electrical plant area needs about 35k miles to negate the carbine it’s made vs a Gasbike that gets 100+ mpg and can be fixed easy lasts longer an ebike carbon made by production will not last long enough to displace the carbon needed to make it… vs a Gasbike with a high fuel efficiency
Agreed!
Great channel man, but we can not ride that gas bike here in Florida without getting picked out by sheriffs or local cops, impounded and fined. Meanwhile there are ebikes law signed by governor in July 2020 legalizing ebike to 3 classes up to 28 mph and have full rights as regular bicycle. It is the laws that help propel the immense rise of ebikes popularity while gas bike us on the dead. Also all ebikes now even have better battery system than 2 years ago along with legal e-bikes shops opening up around most states. It is the legality that open up practicality and the rest for ebike industry. You have to own and ride ones to really get on it. I love gas bike! But we can not ride out here because the laws , it is not worth being worried to get stopped and impounded most of the times. Cheers.🙏
I ride in florida no problem. Just ride it like it was a bicycle, dont think that youre a vehicle
I was thinking of doing the mount like yours on my frame. But I want to do the 212ghost. Trying to figure the fit
Yah it's tricky but good luck!!
Hi Ben , could you advise me if it is possible to buy the combination of Honda motor and bike with good suspension and brakes . I want to fly both units from Newark to Havana Cuba and build at my home in Cuba , I have very little tools in Cuba so I need a kit that is ready to assemble. Any advice would be appreciated, regards John .
All I could think of that would be a kit that has a 4-stroke and bigger tires is the fatmoto kits.
Your Gasbike engine can last a long time when built… use good bearings learn how to do a basic rebuild… replace rings replace cdi magneto… they’ll last a while up to three years before ya need to replace it depending on the engine some need 1 yr upper cylinder replacement just unbolt replace rings set rings replace cylinder bolt down done..
Where did you find that motor mount for the 4stroke ?
I built it
Lets compare what it took to make and run a gas bike vs make and run an ebike...and what was used to make the ebike and fuel the electric grid?
hub motor ebikes are weak until you get to 72volt an 5000+watts, most of the store bought bikes are 250-750watt don't even waste your time, if you want or need to go ebike go with a mid drive at 48-52volt and a minimum 750watts, 1000w is better 1500watts is much better an comfortable, mid drives have the advantage of using the bikes gears to drive it which makes hill climbing an cruising a breeze, YES low power electrics work alot better with gears anyone that says otherwise is clueless!.. also when going electric make sure to buy something that has a long history like befang or cyclone, most story bought bike has bespoke parts they also have a habit of going out of business or being bought up by another that then uses other parts an brands thus leaving you with no spares, brands like bafang and cyclone have a huge(bafang more so) stock pile of factory and aftermarket spares so finding yourself without spares is highly unlikely ... also build don't buy! building will get you a much better bike suited to your needs at likely half the cost, less if you already own a good bike you like............ ps, why not build a tri power ? "pedal", gas engine for long rides an e-motor for in town around people(most batteries have usb ports these days so you can also use it to keep your phone charged on long trips/ camping trips)........
Thanks for taking the time to share this!!! Great info! It would be cool to build a tri-powered bike for sure :)
@@BenCarano no problem bud, it cost me a lot to learn the hard way i started with 1000w hub an it was total junk no power no speed an no range i swapped for a 1000w mid drive and the diffence was night an day! my cruise was speed was high than the hubs top speed 🤣 ...... anyway if you wanna try electric for whatever reason look up "johnny nerd out" he has heaps of videos and sells parts you can also try "Luna Cycles" just be aware that some bafang models make you use bafang batteries so make sure you get a universal kit like the bbshd which has the biggest following and massive aftermarket support👍
@@arronjohnston742 Sweet thanks!! yah I always appreciate learning from each other when we've put in the work to find the right way haha!
@@BenCarano no problem, yea me too just wish it didn't take $6000(7 yrs ago) to learn 🤣 that's why i try to pass on what i learned..... anyway happy building bud 👍
@@arronjohnston742 Definitely! gotta have some trial and error sometimes to learn from it
Just rode my first ebike and I love that it's quiet, and I can get to some local stores about a mile away in no time.
Personally, I prefer a gas bike. I can ride it all day if I wanted to without having to charge it for 8-12 hours a limited amount of times. Lots of people comment on a motorized bicycle too. They are cool
thanks for sharing! it's definitely nice to go on longer rides!
With a Ebike, all you need is a spare battery with you and your all set.
You don't have 212cc anymore? Or was it always the gx120?
Always been the 120cc
I have a question about whether a 2 stroke 42cc engine is ideal for making a gas bike?
(Sorry for my bad English)
i have seen plenty of bikes done with that! At 49cc you are legal in most places which is nice but you will notice a bit more weakness in the power
@@BenCarano Ok, i will try to do it whit a 42cc😁 ( I forgotten to tell you that it was 2stroke)
@@escudo52_gaming15 a 2-stroke will definitely be a lot more power at 42cc then a 4-strok at 42cc. if its not too hilly by you then go for it!
@@BenCarano I'm glad to hear that, when I can I'll start doing the gas bike, since I still have to gather some resources to do it.
Thank you for answering me and the truth is that you have motivated me a lot to do it, thanks.
Ebike has advantages at lower speed. The rider can choose strength of assist. With gas bike, the rider helps to take off with no further peddling. Cheap Chinese engines are balanced with cheap bikes. Otherwise, you are better off with moped or motorcycle. Bike frame is not designed for vibration of the 100 cc engine.
That's definitely a great advantage of the e-bike! And yes it's true that you need to use parts and engines that can really take it rather than just slapping a cheap engine on a Walmart bike haha
The only motorized bike to successfully cross the country there and back, was on a cheap used Walmart wall goose and a Chinese engine . no fake pedaling required . The most epic thing done on a motorized bicycle since 1903 .
@@jarrodsbikechecks4931 the biggest plus of gas bike is low cost. I am still amazed that 4-stroke kit on Amazon with chain and fuel tank cost less than descent quality MTB cassette. Cheap bike + cheap engine can be fun to tinker and with relatively low speed 25-35 mph the hobby could be safe. Above that I would just get a motorcycle.
@@sergeikotsan1666 thanks for the reply 👍 I motorize bicycles i don't try to turn bicycles into motorcycles . No two chains for me . I ride at 20mph, it's about smiles per mile not miles per hour . I'm to busy having a good time to worry about going fast . 😅
i rode my build across America 🇺🇸 this year. Even did the devils highway Coronado Trail through the White Mountains. 9400' brrrr cold 🥶
I use a 79cc predator Friction drive . Works on any bicycle with a seat post. So simple a cave man could build it . All moving parts have been deleted. If working on your bike is fixing a flat tire then that's what my build is like. Made from parts that are available in any size town.
The motors governor provides a active torque sensor and has real peddle assist. Operates at extreme low speeds so slow that the bike can fall over 2 to 3 mph walking speed. Direct drive allows for engine braking on steep mountain passes and above bicycle braking speeds .
My main channel is (Jarrod D) if you would like to check it out.
Thanks again for the reply 🙂👍
Drove ,made gas bikes for 10 years,best one phatmoto, 3 years very little repairs
I was just on their site, I’m looking at benefits.
Electric dominates on trials and are more reliable, but you can't beat a finely tuned 2 or 4 stroke on the street. Best to have both.
I wanna try a hybrid, series would be simple but ecvt would be great, I think.
Every week, I read about the revolutionary new storage battery that will change everything. Week after week after week.
I know right? haha I'm just waiting for the day I actually see it work for once
The gas bike because its more fun and e bike is not loud at all.
oh ps, my preference would be both gas and e-motor but where i live i'm not allowed a gas engine so i'm stuck with electric, law says 250w max but i'm 280lb an my bike is 105lb(2x 48v 25ah lifepo4 batteries, mid drive, built wheels 12g spokes adds up) so that just wont work, mine is 2000watts
What model? how 's the performance :D?
From the building aspect... I used to build motorized bikes but couldn't do a custom paint job because the gas would ruin it. I also had to dress a certain way because riding a motorized bike has the potential to mess up my clothes. This is not so with e-bikes. Here, in Detroit, bicycles are a big thing. Gotta go out in style.
excellent video!!!!...would it be possible..to build a Hybrid Bicycle..like Cars have?...i'm Old School..i do prefer 'Gas' driven. cheers from Canada.
It's definitely possible! it would be a heavy bike but the easiest way would be to get a front wheel electric conversion kit
@@BenCarano great to 'know'!!!! just...got to figure where i can 'Reduce The Weight'...to Make It somewhat 'lighter-manageable'...Cheers from Canada!
I had built a 2 stroke bike and it was falling apart and it can be uncomfortable to ride for long periods of time and somehow it got stolen and so I built me a e-bike and its fun don’t have to worry about making neighbors mad at you and it’s quite
built both and my main draw is electric for say 85% of use cases as 500w or whatever while not much, isn't needed. most guys don't go over 25 on a bike so electric is just practical, however as a guy who builds engines I would go combustion cause tinkering is fun plus im someone who forgets to plug stuff in.
however for something heavy or whatever i would trust the predator 224 i built cause most bike batteries are about 650 to maybe 800wh so in Colorado going uphill id deplete a pack in realistically 2-2.5 hours which again for most is fine. however the predator on the other hand makes around 20hp and 17-18 pounds of torque, and im still getting about 3.5 hours of use per gallon or about 60 to 70mpg on a setup that ive used on go karts to pull 2500 pounds and this is on e85.
so overall if i was in the city or had everything nearby id go electric bike
but since i like hooking up atv trailers or just load up cargo rack not to mention like taking things out to the middle of nowhere im gonna have to go ICE
being able to just put the cheapest fuel and be able to beat the living snot out of something is just what makes it fun. if i blow this engine its not a big deal as parts are a dime a dozen and i know itll start every time. i haven't even needed to tune the carb between the 90 degree summer to the 20 degree winter
Gas bike aren’t always so bulky especially if you have a small engine like 14cc 3 hp engines
Gas bikes*
14cc? with 3hp?
Yep, look it up: toyan engine l400
Exploding battery or the delicious smell of gasoline?! No brainer there...
😂
🤔REALLY If you put a real small catalytic converter and a good Muffler will quite the engine down and make Air much cleaner if you box in the engine in a box could also make engine a lot quieter
You done good man & I would mine if you would build my bike 😀😀😀
😂 well if you do pursue building one I wish you great luck!! they make a fun project!
@@BenCarano thank you & so you just build them yourself?
@@FMonster1550 the motorized bike I did! Not doing the motorized bikes for sale yet though, maybe someday I’ll build more. I’m starting up a mountain bike company now though so focusing resources and energy into that at the moment
Seeing the gas powered bicycles are not street legal in a lot of places, Most are two stroke with no emissions control, loud, you can not store it in the house I really can't see the purpose for making them with the really powerful electric bikes and conversions out there most all are street legal . Hell here if you are over 16 you don't even have to wear a helmet. I can keep my 1500 watt bike in the bed room and ride 18 miles through town to the lock head waters on the old tow path take the trails and ride sidewalks without anyone raising a brow. Once you make you bike Gas powered the only places you can legally ride them is off road on private property. E-bikes can share the road and walking trails and are ( by law) bicycles.
E-bikes - I want an e-bike with about 5kwh of power and active thermal management, rack/second-seat. If designed correctly and for automated equipment and at scale - one can make it available for $5k to public.
I just want nothing to do with Battery's and Chargers. My gas build is now 7 years old and running great.
Smart choice.
Gas bikes are much more notice-able so they are safer for the rider
Only women that dont know about mechanics choose E bike ... Motor bike easy to charge and use... 😂😂😂
You 100% right about both bikes, I have built both fat tire motorized bike regular mountain motorized bike and 1500w electric bike they are a lot of fun, in my opinion there is more things can go wrong in the motorized bike than the electric, I remember the stupid bike chain always coming off 😢 but of course that was my fault for not doing a good job😂😂 Many time I had to carry my baby 😢 the electric bike never let me down, great video, I did made more money when I sold the electric $850.00 1500w the gas 50cc fat tire $460.00
Have fun guys!! Be safe ride professional and officers will let you along ❤ promise 🙏
If price is no issue, I think electric is always going to win in terms of fun, power capacity, versatility, safety, and modularity/ configuration options. You can build a very fast bike for cheap with gas, but there are usability limitations that make me ask: why? There's a lot of misconceptions about the longevity of bike batteries leftover from the early 2010s tech, in addition to big gaps in product quality and user application these days. Until the past 5 years, there were a variety of things making the batteries fail and not a sizable enough group of riders using the best tech to build a clear consensus on issues. A many of people buy batteries that aren't built right and can't be fixed, many buy decent ones and overstep their capabilities. The base cell today is a 21700 which at a minimum, should be capable of delivering 300-400 good cycles a nominal 25-50w with higher peaks for a full discharge. However, people that test these batteries for use in flashlights etc are able to get much higher cycles with a constant 15A draw. Up to 3,000 cycles of full drain with 50W output per cell until the battery crosses the 70% capacity/ voltage threshold. You can still use the battery after that point but with less range and diminished top speed. On a 72v build it might be fine. Let's say you only want to use the battery until 80% power reduction, that still gives you up to ~1500 cycles. Those tests were conducted with 50w draw till empty and regular charge speed speed. In an ebike application there are a number of other factors that could raise or lower the battery stress, but it would average out for most use cases. Slower charging is good, lower capacity utilization is great - using only the middle 60% of the battery helps tremendously. high currant output is bad but if you have 15A per cell, 42 cells in a 600wh pack, that's 2kw at your disposal -1/4 for bms swing still yields a healthy 1.5kw and most with that pack size will ride much lower. A lot of problems people have a a result of poorly designed bms systems that screw up cell balance, overdrawn cells, and don't perform well at high wattages. Getting a quality battery with a high capacity lets you take advantage of the actual capability and avoid over stressing the cells at high speeds. Let's say you put 1.5kwh on your bike and use 60%. The worst case scenario for up to 22mph is gonna be 20wh/mi. If you ride 25-30mph it's 35wh/mi. So you are gonna get either a range of 25-45 mi per ride, with a bonus range of 20% battery for emergencies. At 1500 cycles, 25-45mi per cycle yields a 37,500-67,500 mi lifetime on a 1.5kwh battery. People ride their bikes hard and get less cycles but even at 750 its still 18-33.7k mi, that's a lot of riding. If you had a daily commute budget of 15 mi, 365 days, you could get up to 12 years before your battery needs replacing. All this to say yes, ebikes are more expensive to get high performance but it can be had and if you over provision the battery, the longevity is there... already. You can build a bike designed to ride in the 20s with great range, lightweight, high speed capability with standard parts. Once you push into the 40mph cruising speed territory you need 2kwh batteries, but at a certain point, why even build a bike when you really want motorcycle? Ebikes are light, fast, silent, configurable into many shaped with good weight distribution, and extremely high torque for the weight. All that tech feeds into the creation of an ideal machine based around what a bicycle should be: Lively, playful, efficient, flexibly terrain, high cargo captivity to weight ratio, stable, simple/ intuitive to control. For me personally, the ability to do torque sensing throttle control is enough to choose my propulsion system, and loud noise and vibration are a safety deal breaker. But even from a position of less bias, the electric route is still more promising. Power density is 85wh/lb, you can build a 1kwh bike with a 2kw high torque motor for a total drivetrain weight of between 16-20lbs. Thats at least 10lbs savings over a gas bike especially included the ability to use a light flexible frame, 10lbs+ that can instead go to suspension, cargo, or handling priorities. If you do it right your setup will run for a decade, and in a decade you will be much happier to have a nimble frame, a motor that works, and a battery that can be replaced with new tech vs having a heavy moto. You are also a lot more likely to be alive in 10 years if you used your max weight budget to build a comfortable, stable, predictable machine than if you built your whole frame around accommodating ice weight, bulk, and vibration. Especially since ebikes lend themselves to low speed offroad fun, vs motos where the whole novelty is zipping down the pavement on a motorcycle built without motorcycle parts. I get the appeal, but to make a vibrating mountain bike safe at 40mph costs so much that you might as well go bigger or smaller. The tech is leading to better places, enjoy the trail.
From an environmental perspective its really hard to find clear information about battery toxicity, but the general gist seems to be that most of a cell besides a few % is non toxic, it's just the precious metals that are bad. With the amount of industrial interest in recycling, it's likely that within 5 years we will have at least some viable solution for most of the waste, and in 10 we'll have large scale cavities that deal with most batteries, it seems unlikely that a miracle tech will come along that makes lithium obsolete before a significant portion of e waste piles up. I think most of the real concern is around present day mining and human rights violations, which needs to change but is unfortunately not in the hands of everyday consumers. One of the big reasons to do transportation on either gas or electric bike is the significantly reduced impact of riding such a lightweight platform. Buying 1/80th of a tesla battery isn't going to make you an eco terrorist any more then buying 100 gal of gas during the service life of your moto makes you an exxon executive. In the case of electric, far better options will be around by your next battery purchase. You could wait for them, but why not have a fun, safer, quieter time right now. If one isn't significantly worse than the other, it's hard to call it economic activism. Better to utilize the safer propulsion so that you can stay alive and make change with your life, not wallet. If you end up getting hurt by a crash or the gas fumes of a moto, the hospital visits alone are gonna have a bigger carbon footprint than anybody could ebike in their whole lifetime. At the end of the day, both are viable options that make for great projects. It's fun and whatever is best for your use case is the best. They are more toys than cars, but if you design them right they can be both in a very fulfilling way. The best designs use the best materials.
Thanks for the comments! I definitely feel like in the next 5-10 years or so that battery technology will get a lot better for sure!
You know nothing of Gasbikes… obviously… ya can have waay more power than it comes with stock… 1.23 Hp stock for 50cc a actual pipe port timing fix and rejet carb resolve carb if ya can.. a good cdi magneto and you can easily hit 2+Hp or more up to 6-7 Hp on a 50cc
sadly in my state ALL MOTORIZED BICYCLES are not allowed so gas or electric? pick your poison
which state?
@@donnyten2041 sunshine state
i suppose you could get away with an ebike if your legs are continuesly spinning those pedals, we hear constant hollering how everyone should get an electric car, yet they ban electric bikes?
ebikes suck unless you have unlimited funds...
honestly with the rising prices of gas, I'd rather cut myself off from gas as much as possible.