PRICE CORRECTION: We had a pre-production Squire D16 MAX which is more expensive than the standard D16 at £289.99 - almost the same price as the Hiplok DX1000.
Great test guys. I also hear that in some places that they pre-cut a section out of the rack, then cover the rack in stickers and graffiti so you cant see it and use it as normal. Then all they have to do is slip your bike off the rack so keep an eye out for that everyone.
I have watched several videos testing bike locks. No one has actually done the tests under ALL of the following conditions. 1. Use portable grinder popular with thieves. 2. Include in the tests the time to change out blades and batteries on the portable grinders. In real life that time would add to cutting the locks. 3. Locking the bike locks in a more realistic scenario wrapping the rear wheel, frame and bike rack. 4. Additional second or third lock wrapping around front wheel, frame and bike rack. 5. Steps to take if you encounter thief while in progress.
@@borisgurevich5504 I wouldn't agree with that. You saw an inexperienced person using a mini battery powered angle grinder and not using the ideal cutting disc for the task. Straight off, using that same equipment I would have been walking away with that bike in less than two minutes. I'd just cut the f#&king bike rack and that bike is mine. It's at the stage now where in most cases it is easier to cut the bike rack than even a Gold rated lock. Take that bike back to my premises and I will make short work of those two "indestructible" locks in two minutes or less with a mains powered industrial cutter. When you are preventing the local scumbag kids and "amateur" thieves they are very good. Up against someone organised and experienced with powerful battery powered industrial cutters, they're an inconvenience.
I always use 2 U-locks, on the theory that having to cut through 2 seperate locks is going to be enough of a faf to make a prospective thief just shrug and look for easier targets. Worked pretty well for me so far.
@@blazeraz7666 i have 2 diamond u locks, a chain, bike cover, alarm and insurance. lol i live in brooklyn and my e bike stays outside. no problems so far after 3 years of doing this
7:00 Cutting Disc identified: TopsTools TTDS125 - 5", 125mm Segmented Diamond Cutting Disc Manufacturer Product Details: "These diamond cutting discs are designed to be used wet or dry. They can be used to cut concrete, masonry, stone, asphalt, marble, granite and most general building materials." Specifications: Brand: TopsTools Product Type: Circular Saw Blades, Diamond Saw Blades Size: 125mm Bore Size: 20mm, 22.23mm Suitable For Cutting: Asphalt, Concrete, Granite, Hard Metal, Hard Wood, Marble, Masonry, Metal, Soft Metal, Soft Wood, Stone, Wood
For the prices of the higher end locks I'd personally get a cheap single speed commuter if my only option is to lock it outside wherever I'm going. Even with the £300 lock there's nothing stopping them from just cutting through the weak rack in lots of cases
Someone once told me the best way to make sure someone doesn't steal your bike is to make it ugly AF (cover it in stickers) and park it next to a pretty road bike. Yours will become invisible.
That said, I feel like people are quick to "not my problem" and ignore someone grinding through a bike lock, because they'll either figure it's not their problem or that clearly the blatant use of power tools means they're not a thief, they're retrieving a bike or something. If said thief is sawing through the bike rack though? Now that's _clearly_ not supposed to be happening, plus whoever owns said bike rack (a business or the city) is going to care about that very quickly. Of course, sawing the bike off is always the third option, but most thieves don't want a broken bike, unless there's a lot of expensive components on it and they're willing to 'settle' for just the components...
@@borisgurevich5504 I have no idea tbh. I imagine they're still valuable, and the sort of thief willing to chop stuff up in public probably doesn't care so long as they get a bit of cash out of it. Though I also kinda doubt most thieves are paying attention to anything besides "that bike looks expensive".
i may be wrong... but ive used alot of abracs porcelain cutting discs in the past and that disc looks like an abracs porcelain disc. a standard inox cutting disc would probably do the job faster. EDIT: checked toolstation its a general purpose abracs blade. not rated for metals at all.
@@Aethid Proof it. Any Video where i can see they cut it with a regular Steel disc here on RUclips? I didnt found even one. They all use Discs for stones and other materials. I think its a big fake at all.
@TheSkar77 I'm just looking now in fact, and I'm struggling to find anyone who tests these angle grinder resistant locks with steel curring disks. They all use ceramic cutting disks. I can only assume you either didn't actually bother looking before you commented, or you are lying.
and cutting through the fence or pole that the bike is locked to, is the exact reason why you lock the bike to what ever in a way that it can't be used in any meaningful way even if it's stolen. also the placement of the lock make it easier or harder to cut.
OnGuard Pitbull: At £25 - £40, it offers a resistance time of 3 minutes 2 seconds, making it the most economical option with a reasonable resistance time. Squire D16 Max: Priced at £130, it provides a high resistance time of 10+ minutes, offering a good balance between cost and security. Kryptonite Mini and Squire Chainlok 10: Both provide around 4 minutes of resistance (4 minutes 4 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds respectively) but come at a mid-range price point (£85 and £90).
Thank you! Seeing the improvement from Kryptonite was good to see. I would have liked to see the Onguard Brute tested as well.Though, I'll need to keep my eyes peeled for Squire across the pond
Watching from LA, California and I loved this video because I am going to buy an e bike and was wondering which bike lock was the best Thanks for the video 🙂
A lot of D locks come with a mount that allows you to store them inside the main triangle - little holder thing bolts onto the seat tube and you slot the lock in and out of there. Most of Hiplock's products can, as the name suggests, be worn almost like a belt around the rider's hips. When I used to need to, I carried a D lock in my rucksack along with my change of shoes and other work-related things. These days I have secure cycle storage at my workplace so I just leave a small lock in the cycle storage.
Mine I mount to the top tube so it just sits inside the frame. That’s what I do with my Kryptonite walks. Mine actually came with a pretty basic but effective little mounting strap for that purpose.
Thank you for both a useful and entertaining video. My ebike was just stolen in London. Double locked with quality locks but the thieves took the street sign off the pole, stood on a black wheely bin and got it off at the top. My five year magical relationship with my Kalkhoff Endeavour is over! 10,000 miles on it. Mrs says it was time for a new one. Womyn!
Amazed how well the kryptonite mini holds up. I only have it for shopping or when the bike stands at a relatively secure location. Thought it was much flimsier.
@@johncoxy1 Although stealing bikes IMHO is stupid to begin with, I would never count on a thief being dumber than I am when it comes to finding a way to get my bike. The best way I know to keep mine is to never let it out of my sight.
This test sadly is not valid even though you guys put lots of effort in this, but a diamond disc is not suitable for cutting steel. Diamond discs are made to cut rocks or softer metals that dont contain any carbon, as the diamonds degrade very quickly as they simply burn away beacause they consist of carbon. Thats probably the reason why the first lock was down so quickly an the other ones took several minutes and became very hot. You should really consider repeating this test with a disc that is made for cutting steel.
Some locks has ceramic additives that eat up metal cutting discs, and some has plastic or aluminum coatings that melts, gunk ups blade and jams it. I guess it's the case with those angle grinder resistant locks they testes, so diamond disc is only way to go.
The problem with the super strong locks is they are stronger then all the stuff you can attach it to. Thieves will just cut through the bike stand, or whatever you put the lock around. IMO they are not worth the extra bulk/cost over a more convenient lock for that reason.
Definitely cutting through the bar the bike is attached to with those anti-grinder models. But that might still be enough to let a theif say, "You know what... that other bike has a much easier lock to attack. I think I'll nick that one."
First off, nice video guys. The lock is only as strong as what it's attached to. Some guy used a good lock and attached it to a tree. Well, the thieves cut the tree and took the bike.
I agree. Picking a lock is quieter and easier than cutting the lock. During the pandemic I watched almost every lock picking lawyer video. I ordered a lock picking kit (legal where I live) and picked my first lock within 4 minutes. Today it takes me seconds to pick most locks. Of course some locks are better and thus harder to pick however all locks can be picked.
The @CityofLondonPolice RUclips channel has a video ‘How secure is your bicycle lock’. It's 8 years old now, but still very informative. Somehow they can get through the strongest ‘ordinary’ (i.e. not labeled as an anti-angle grinder one) D-locks in a little over a minute. But maybe their ‘thief’ has more experience than you do, or the locks have really got a lot better in a decade.
@@Aaron-lr1di I have the litelock x and that video is kind of sus. It took him that long on the first side and about 2 minutes on the second. It's a good lock, but with a quality grinder and wheel it can be beat.
@@Aaron-lr1di Now I'm scrolling through all these videos. I've looked at so many figuring out what one to buy I can't find it. If I find it, I'll link it to you. The guy destroys like 3 blades and people in the know said he put too much angle torque on them, and then the other side, he got through with one blade that he just FFwd through. Saying that, I bought the Litelok as it does seem to be harder to cut through than others for the weight. Plus I have a cafe lock, Axa chain, and full coverage insurance. At some point, fate takes over and nothing you can do.
As a product designer myself, I'm sure the legal department won't approve such a design. I'm sure the thief would end up suing them. Some laws just don't make sense. I personally know of a case where a thief broke into a high school, got caught in the razor wire, and then sued the LAUSD. The school lost the case because they technically weren't allowed to use that type of fencing."
The anti-angle grinder locks are impressive, but whatever the bike is locked to (for instance, a bike rack) is not angle grinder resistant, probably less than 90 seconds. A thief could grind through the bike rack, take bike, complete with expensive lock, throw it in the van, and then take it to their garage, where they could cut through the expensive lock with an acetylene torch. Find a place to lock the bike that is not secluded, or arrange with an employer to let you park the bike somewhere inside.
That's where multiple locks on multiple areas of the rack come into play. Never lock a bike with one anti-angle grinder lock then the thief will think twice! One anti-angle grinder and one regular lock can do the trick! That's also coupled with arming a bike with a couple of motion alarms!
Standard metal cutting discs get eaten up by the anti angle grinder locks, so you have to use diamond discs instead. We've done this a few times now ;)
I'm happy they used diamond blade, because some locks have ceramic additives that eat up metal cutting blades when cutting and other channels who tested them came to conclusion that lock is uncuttable when diamond disc would have no problems with it. Of course I'd be happier if they tried with both type of blades.
@@edmundas919 the solution to your solution is that the frame gets cut. No one wants to sell a complete bike with a identification number on the bottom bracket. A complete groupset and or wheels in fairly good condition however change hands fast and aren`t traceable.
@@georgzwiebel9585 It's not a problem in europe. Lack of unified register and open borders makes it easy to move bicycles abroad and sell them. Only cycling enthusiasts care about bike history, regular person cares only about low price.
@@edmundas919 Most high end bikes (everything from 105, deore etc. upwards in terms of group sets) that get stolen are getting dissasembled and the parts except the frame get sold in the same country on second hand website as used parts. why should a bike thief group in for example germany transport the bike to poland, czech republic or austria when they get a higher price for the stolen groupsets, wheels and parts in the original country?
@@teleguy5699 I used to live in London have since moved. But yes bike theft is terrible thanks to the current laws in place and police resources being diverted to pursuing TV licences, Facebook comments and traffic fines.
I had a look for the squire D16 Max and it's not available just yet... Just the D16 which is available but not the anti angle grinder version. I also checked direct with squire and they said yes coming soon. You must have had pre production one sent to you.
Top trick for U shaped locks - pop a car jack in the U and open it up. Security company locked up a bike at university and challenged students to nick the bike in under a minute to keep it. To quote Yoda "Embarrassed they were."
but this just means they did not buy the proper lock. because a properly sized and used locked bike prevents people from shoving things in between the shackles. its not usually a good idea to buy a lock with a massive sized shackle and lock one bike to a small thin object. if thats the case, you'll wanna size down and buy something with a smaller U.
try the chemical skunklock for some fun. then try the squire d16max again followed by the litelok x3 followed by the hiplok x1000 followed finally by the carbon skunklock.
I think bike lock brands should give you their locks to test out so they know & can learn from what locks are most reliable and what they can improve on to make their product(s) even better than before. Not giving locks to test just shows that they’re either not bothered about the performance of the lock but happy to charge silly money or they don’t have faith in their product would rather keep it under wraps so then they don’t lose custom/money etc. If I had created a bike lock I would be more than happy to let them test it. If it wasn’t up to scratch, then back to drawing board try create a more stronger anti theft lock keep improving as much as I can by learning from different people, who’ve tested the locks what they experienced with trying to cut through bike locks. Life’s a learning curve, you’re always learning as you go along through life. If you’re not willing to learn & grow, then you’ll face less custom/less confidence from customers not worth losing in my eyes.
Have only seen the D16 max today(a month later) on the official squire website(both locks are listed), the £130 lock looks the same in pictures(don't know about the size being the same or different), can see what happened if the max has no information anywhere. Great video as always..great laugh too with the banter!!
Your video should explain how many batteries and how many blades it took to go through. They're really tough lock, Because I do know the thicker. The blade, the longer it will last, but the less damage it will do well. The thinner blades will destroy themselves a lot quicker, but cut through things like butter
few notes: 1 Try different tools, like hydraulic bolt cutter - its quite compact, silent, fast and sure there will be list of the locks that cuttable with this tool (like orange kryptonite - cuttable, but not yellow one as far as I know) 2 - Try to cut base of the lock if its "anti angle grinder" 3 - If you cut orange kryptonite at the top of the lock it could be enough flex to steal the bike if it locked for seatstay only (kryptonite is small - ofter you have to lock it for thinnest or "most outer" tubes) 4 - Separate locks by "carryable" and "not carryable" So you guys just stupidly ruined few locks without any analysis and classification. But you still can do it.
I mean, the main security you are getting is being harder to steal than the bike next to you. If a thief is coming after your bike with an angle grinder, there isn't much you can do if they are that dedicated.
The performance of a battery powered angle grinder definitely goes down when the battery is drained, for fair results a fully charged battery should be used for every lock.
Making the lock thicker than the diameter of angle grinder blade will help prevent the blade from cutting deeper. Coat the steel with really thick rubber should help with manufacturing cost.
you should test them with a powerful magnet. Many lock mechanisms can be easily disengaged by putting a big magnet on one side of the locking mechanism.
TBF. Locks like the Straplok and FL/850 are only supposed to be cafe locks. Light locks that you can carry around with you without any issue and stop an opportunist from straight up running off with your bike at a cafe stop. Some deterrent is better than no deterrent and if someone really wanted your bike enough to cut through the lock. At least it will give you an extra 55 seconds to react to whats going on which can be crucial.... But then the thief could go from cutting the lock with the angle grinder to cutting you instead with it but thats always the risk.
@@ehuremovic526 The FL/850 Is under 1Kg according to Squire. The Straplok is about 1.5Kg. They obviously arent going to be as as light or packable as an Abus Combiflex retractable cable lock but the FL/850 is no heavier than an bottle carrying 800ml of water. Maybe light locks was the wrong term.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki turns Squire make two kinds of FL/850. I think you're talking about the Folda FL/850 and I'm talking about the Stronghold FL/850. Is my understanding correct?
Thoughts: 1) I love my Knog Scout bike alarm. For "hopping in the cafe for a moment", its the best. Not a lock and shouldn't considered as such, but still, so nice to beep boop the phone and know its armed and beep boop when I come outside and ride off. 2) For basic "commuting" use, i.e. lock the bike up while you get tacos, getting a 5 minute cut time is probably sufficient as people will be around in front of most businesses. 3) For at the office, overnight, or common area lock ups, you are going to want one of those 10+ models.
How long would it take to cut through the bike rack? Or, dare I say it the frame. I've seen a cut Bianchi frame dumped in a hedge stripped of all its componentry goodness. Ideally these locks need a vibration sensor which sends a text to the owner so you can go back to your bike and kick shit out of the bike thief, sorry I meant "Take appropriate action" ... Keep em peeled... Don't have nightmares.... Etc...
After reading some comments and checking disc myself 03:51 you guys probably used wrong type of diamond disc for this test that could wrongly show real time results. That one in video probably IS for concrete bc it has wider gap than ones for cutting stainless steel, and some Ive seen don't even have gaps. I think you should do test again on DX1000 and Squire D16 MAX. But ofc with Diamond Cutting Disc specifically for Stainless Steel, without any gaps perhaps. And show disc to the camera in future videos.
As someone who lives in Japan and will soon move to England, I’m horrified lol Rarely do you see a lock on a bike that’s left outside of a cafe, restaurant, or convenience store.
The most important test is whether the manufacturer will stand behind their product enough to provide you with theft insurance should their lock get cut and your bike stolen. This is why I bought a Kryptonite lock and paid for the insurance
I used my old d_Lock for years on my commuter shopping bike and a cable lock for the wheels. Everything was great until the advent of the electric grinder
Could you see how long it takes to cut through various bike stands? I’m conscious that with some intelligence I would cut the bike stand and then take the bike&lock, take it ‘home’ to then break the lock… Also whether some are easier to Pick or Freeze?
I use an AXA folding lock that came with my bike when i bought it, someone did try to grinde it but the sound was too loud and a lot of people heard it, this happened in west side of Frankfurt. Needless to say the would be thief does not walk straight anymore.
Still rocking the same locks I've had for years. A 4x8 krypto series 2, hiplok original chain lock I got on sale for like $40 and a knog strongman I got for like $30 on sale. The padlock on the hiplok is so soft it's a joke so I don't really use it.
Im pretty sure thieves would use steel cutting discs but another option they probably use is to just cut the pipe holder and slide the lock offf, that would take a lot less time then 10 minutes.
Sunklock and OnGaurd has come out with angle-grinder resistant locks also (Sunklock Carbon and OnGaurd RockSolid). You should compare those next vs the Litelocks and Hiplocks. Also, how about testing the ABUS Granite series locks?
Thx, very useful and nicely shot - as always - , like your style and humor a lot. Q: could you guys make a similar test about bicycle (anti theft) tracking devices? It's so difficult to choose the right product (if there's any). Thx a lot.
My mtb, secured with an abus u-lock was stolen by the thieves pulling out the guardrail from the concrete foot, and slipping the bike off. Either that base trick they used before, or the base was just a piece of junk and they got lucky. That one still hurts
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PRICE CORRECTION:
We had a pre-production Squire D16 MAX which is more expensive than the standard D16 at £289.99 - almost the same price as the Hiplok DX1000.
Bought 2 of D16 because of this video and it's not the same lock...
You should try to grind the Squire Stronghold D16 that was around £130
I wonder how much time it would take to cut the base that the bike is locked to ???
I picked up a D16 today too but this seems like cheap plastic rubbish. Can't find a D16 Max anywhere!
I agree, my plastic even came broken.. @@SidLuther
Great test guys. I also hear that in some places that they pre-cut a section out of the rack, then cover the rack in stickers and graffiti so you cant see it and use it as normal. Then all they have to do is slip your bike off the rack so keep an eye out for that everyone.
Yeah also if the rack is not solid to the ground but have movement pushing it by hand then stay away of that parking spot
damn bro. ey thanks for the tip.
Man never thought about that. Ill definitely need to check stickers for gaps underneath.
God damn thats smart
There should be a lock that releases pepper spray if cut into 😂
This sort of exists: SkunkLock
Filled with dynamite maybe?
Skunklock release noxious gas
@@Gio9DUUSTthat can be picked easily
@@SpuddyIRLok thnx didnt know
I have watched several videos testing bike locks. No one has actually done the tests under ALL of the following conditions. 1. Use portable grinder popular with thieves. 2. Include in the tests the time to change out blades and batteries on the portable grinders. In real life that time would add to cutting the locks. 3. Locking the bike locks in a more realistic scenario wrapping the rear wheel, frame and bike rack. 4. Additional second or third lock wrapping around front wheel, frame and bike rack. 5. Steps to take if you encounter thief while in progress.
What are the most popular thief grinders?
And the importantst thing: Use the right Disc.. Not for Steel or Wood or Plastic. Here the the Disc is for Stones btw.
@@TheSkar77 Some diamond discs are designed to cut metal. For example the DeWalt Extreme Diamond is designed for steels and cast iron.
“I don’t even want the bike anymore” 🤣🤣🤣
Why not? Cheap. Easy to maintain. Don't need garage. Just why?
Eh???
@@krzysztofprazmo9518Did you not watch the video? It's a joke.
I'm fairly sure the lock picking lawyer has reviewed squire locks a fair bit.
They hold up very favourably compared to other lock manufacturers.
Precisely zero bike thieves are going to pick your lock 😂😂😂 not while cordless angle grinders exist.
@@richiejames928unless the LPL is the bike thief
It may happen BUT it is extremely rare for any bike thieves to pick a lock instead of going straight for the brute force option instead.
@@tconnolly9820except that we have just seen a lock that cannot be cut with a regular angle grinder
@@borisgurevich5504 I wouldn't agree with that. You saw an inexperienced person using a mini battery powered angle grinder and not using the ideal cutting disc for the task.
Straight off, using that same equipment I would have been walking away with that bike in less than two minutes.
I'd just cut the f#&king bike rack and that bike is mine.
It's at the stage now where in most cases it is easier to cut the bike rack than even a Gold rated lock. Take that bike back to my premises and I will make short work of those two "indestructible" locks in two minutes or less with a mains powered industrial cutter.
When you are preventing the local scumbag kids and "amateur" thieves they are very good.
Up against someone organised and experienced with powerful battery powered industrial cutters, they're an inconvenience.
rubber around the lock just serves to protect the bike but it also tents to gunk up the grinder disc reducing its cutting efficiency.
nah
I always use 2 U-locks, on the theory that having to cut through 2 seperate locks is going to be enough of a faf to make a prospective thief just shrug and look for easier targets.
Worked pretty well for me so far.
Same. It’s mostly about DETERRING
I have 2 u locks and 2 chain locks (gold, diamond and alarm) if they still manage to steal dat idk what to say man 😅😅
What city
@@blazeraz7666 i have 2 diamond u locks, a chain, bike cover, alarm and insurance. lol i live in brooklyn and my e bike stays outside. no problems so far after 3 years of doing this
Depends on the bike and city bro
7:00 Cutting Disc identified: TopsTools TTDS125 - 5", 125mm Segmented Diamond Cutting Disc
Manufacturer Product Details: "These diamond cutting discs are designed to be used wet or dry. They can be used to cut concrete, masonry, stone, asphalt, marble, granite and most general building materials."
Specifications:
Brand: TopsTools
Product Type: Circular Saw Blades, Diamond Saw Blades
Size: 125mm
Bore Size: 20mm, 22.23mm
Suitable For Cutting: Asphalt, Concrete, Granite, Hard Metal, Hard Wood, Marble, Masonry, Metal, Soft Metal, Soft Wood, Stone, Wood
For the prices of the higher end locks I'd personally get a cheap single speed commuter if my only option is to lock it outside wherever I'm going. Even with the £300 lock there's nothing stopping them from just cutting through the weak rack in lots of cases
Someone once told me the best way to make sure someone doesn't steal your bike is to make it ugly AF (cover it in stickers) and park it next to a pretty road bike. Yours will become invisible.
That said, I feel like people are quick to "not my problem" and ignore someone grinding through a bike lock, because they'll either figure it's not their problem or that clearly the blatant use of power tools means they're not a thief, they're retrieving a bike or something.
If said thief is sawing through the bike rack though? Now that's _clearly_ not supposed to be happening, plus whoever owns said bike rack (a business or the city) is going to care about that very quickly.
Of course, sawing the bike off is always the third option, but most thieves don't want a broken bike, unless there's a lot of expensive components on it and they're willing to 'settle' for just the components...
@@Saftkeur but how much used components are worth, even if expensive when new? Is there a well developed market for these?
@@borisgurevich5504 I have no idea tbh. I imagine they're still valuable, and the sort of thief willing to chop stuff up in public probably doesn't care so long as they get a bit of cash out of it. Though I also kinda doubt most thieves are paying attention to anything besides "that bike looks expensive".
@@Saftkeur exactly. To recognize expensive components one needs to be an expert.
i may be wrong... but ive used alot of abracs porcelain cutting discs in the past and that disc looks like an abracs porcelain disc. a standard inox cutting disc would probably do the job faster.
EDIT: checked toolstation its a general purpose abracs blade. not rated for metals at all.
These locks have finishes on them that wear down metal cutting disks. Diamond ceramic cutters work better on them.
@@Aethid Proof it. Any Video where i can see they cut it with a regular Steel disc here on RUclips? I didnt found even one. They all use Discs for stones and other materials. I think its a big fake at all.
@@TheSkar77 Most of the channels that test lock printer resistance use diamond cutting disks because they get faster times with those.
@TheSkar77 I'm just looking now in fact, and I'm struggling to find anyone who tests these angle grinder resistant locks with steel curring disks. They all use ceramic cutting disks. I can only assume you either didn't actually bother looking before you commented, or you are lying.
You could also use stainless steel cutting discs. These are extra hard.
and cutting through the fence or pole that the bike is locked to, is the exact reason why you lock the bike to what ever in a way that it can't be used in any meaningful way even if it's stolen.
also the placement of the lock make it easier or harder to cut.
OnGuard Pitbull: At £25 - £40, it offers a resistance time of 3 minutes 2 seconds, making it the most economical option with a reasonable resistance time.
Squire D16 Max: Priced at £130, it provides a high resistance time of 10+ minutes, offering a good balance between cost and security.
Kryptonite Mini and Squire Chainlok 10: Both provide around 4 minutes of resistance (4 minutes 4 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds respectively) but come at a mid-range price point (£85 and £90).
Thank you
Except the D16 Max is just hsy of 300 pounds.
Thank you! Seeing the improvement from Kryptonite was good to see. I would have liked to see the Onguard Brute tested as well.Though, I'll need to keep my eyes peeled for Squire across the pond
Watching from LA, California and I loved this video because I am going to buy an e bike and was wondering which bike lock was the best Thanks for the video 🙂
Would be nice if you can show how to carry those locks on bike. i mean place where to put it if you riding and didn't have bag.
One at home, one at work. Then keep a lightweight lock with you for quick stops elsewhere.
I’ve found that putting the mount on the top tube so that the lock sits parallel to the frame and out of the way of your knees works well.
A lot of D locks come with a mount that allows you to store them inside the main triangle - little holder thing bolts onto the seat tube and you slot the lock in and out of there.
Most of Hiplock's products can, as the name suggests, be worn almost like a belt around the rider's hips.
When I used to need to, I carried a D lock in my rucksack along with my change of shoes and other work-related things. These days I have secure cycle storage at my workplace so I just leave a small lock in the cycle storage.
As well as all the other suggestions, Temple cycles makes a holster for d-locks that sits on the back of your saddle, sort of like a saddle bag
Mine I mount to the top tube so it just sits inside the frame. That’s what I do with my Kryptonite walks. Mine actually came with a pretty basic but effective little mounting strap for that purpose.
I've got that Onguard lock, because it's the cheapest one my insurance company will accept. Glad to see it did quite well!
Thank you for both a useful and entertaining video. My ebike was just stolen in London. Double locked with quality locks but the thieves took the street sign off the pole, stood on a black wheely bin and got it off at the top. My five year magical relationship with my Kalkhoff Endeavour is over! 10,000 miles on it. Mrs says it was time for a new one. Womyn!
For how long was your bike on the street? That sucks man, I'm sorry.
@@driss3946 Three hours! (A woman saw the man stealing it and phoned the police but of course they did not respond).
Amazed how well the kryptonite mini holds up. I only have it for shopping or when the bike stands at a relatively secure location. Thought it was much flimsier.
I wonder how long it would take to cut through the bar it's locked to or the bolts that secures it to the ground.
yeah. That bike stand isn't made of scaffold steel. One cut and bend it. Hopefully the disk would be dead before they thought of that 😀
@@johncoxy1 Although stealing bikes IMHO is stupid to begin with, I would never count on a thief being dumber than I am when it comes to finding a way to get my bike. The best way I know to keep mine is to never let it out of my sight.
a true thief revealing himself
This test sadly is not valid even though you guys put lots of effort in this, but a diamond disc is not suitable for cutting steel. Diamond discs are made to cut rocks or softer metals that dont contain any carbon, as the diamonds degrade very quickly as they simply burn away beacause they consist of carbon. Thats probably the reason why the first lock was down so quickly an the other ones took several minutes and became very hot. You should really consider repeating this test with a disc that is made for cutting steel.
Some locks has ceramic additives that eat up metal cutting discs, and some has plastic or aluminum coatings that melts, gunk ups blade and jams it. I guess it's the case with those angle grinder resistant locks they testes, so diamond disc is only way to go.
I thought the same thing. I haven’t found a metal yet I couldn’t cut through quickly with a Walter zip disc.
Also, sure it looks better but, you don't need to use a real bike for the cutting test, you re throwing a lot of metallic particles to the bike!
@@bruceh5933 So what lock took the longest?
@@limmoblack I haven't tried cutting locks, but I was cutting 1 1/8" steel studs a couple weeks ago and it didn't take long at all.
The problem with the super strong locks is they are stronger then all the stuff you can attach it to.
Thieves will just cut through the bike stand, or whatever you put the lock around.
IMO they are not worth the extra bulk/cost over a more convenient lock for that reason.
Not a lamp post! Rather dodgy cutting that down!
@@codprawnI have a Hiplock, and Unfortunately in most cased it doesnt go around the bike frame AND a lamp post. Too small.
Definitely cutting through the bar the bike is attached to with those anti-grinder models. But that might still be enough to let a theif say, "You know what... that other bike has a much easier lock to attack. I think I'll nick that one."
First off, nice video guys. The lock is only as strong as what it's attached to. Some guy used a good lock and attached it to a tree. Well, the thieves cut the tree and took the bike.
Lots of good locks there. Definitely good enough for locking a bike up outside the grocery store.
Now send those locks to the Lockpicking Lawyer. He'll finish what the angle grinders started.
I agree. Picking a lock is quieter and easier than cutting the lock. During the pandemic I watched almost every lock picking lawyer video. I ordered a lock picking kit (legal where I live) and picked my first lock within 4 minutes. Today it takes me seconds to pick most locks. Of course some locks are better and thus harder to pick however all locks can be picked.
The @CityofLondonPolice RUclips channel has a video ‘How secure is your bicycle lock’. It's 8 years old now, but still very informative. Somehow they can get through the strongest ‘ordinary’ (i.e. not labeled as an anti-angle grinder one) D-locks in a little over a minute. But maybe their ‘thief’ has more experience than you do, or the locks have really got a lot better in a decade.
I'm glad Nick started wearing ear protection half way through the video.
Be interested in seeing how long it takes the LawPickingLawyer to open these locks.
he would be done before they described the locks.
"...3... 2...."
"Done!"
😂
Kinda pointless though, no bike thief is going to pick your lock.
Easy mode for LPL, and luckily most thieves are too dim to have the skills to do so even if they had the tools.
Great video! Would be interested to see the LITELOCK X1 and X3 too.
Litelok x3 and Litelok Moto are the best you can get. Three batteries and up to 10 disks put them streets above all locks tested here.
@@sidweazel2883 Would it really take three batteries? is that the X1 model or X3?
@@Aaron-lr1di I have the litelock x and that video is kind of sus. It took him that long on the first side and about 2 minutes on the second. It's a good lock, but with a quality grinder and wheel it can be beat.
@@teleguy5699 What video?
@@Aaron-lr1di Now I'm scrolling through all these videos. I've looked at so many figuring out what one to buy I can't find it. If I find it, I'll link it to you. The guy destroys like 3 blades and people in the know said he put too much angle torque on them, and then the other side, he got through with one blade that he just FFwd through. Saying that, I bought the Litelok as it does seem to be harder to cut through than others for the weight. Plus I have a cafe lock, Axa chain, and full coverage insurance. At some point, fate takes over and nothing you can do.
Lock makers should design a lock that spurts sulphuric acid when cut, just like the creature in Alien. 😂
As a product designer myself, I'm sure the legal department won't approve such a design.
I'm sure the thief would end up suing them. Some laws just don't make sense. I personally know of a case where a thief broke into a high school, got caught in the razor wire, and then sued the LAUSD. The school lost the case because they technically weren't allowed to use that type of fencing."
Always lock through..
Back wheel and bike frame, whilst attaching to post or whatever you choose as the secure point.
You're welcome ❤
I would have liked to have seen how the ABUS Granit™ Super Extreme 2500 lock would have performed.
The anti-angle grinder locks are impressive, but whatever the bike is locked to (for instance, a bike rack) is not angle grinder resistant, probably less than 90 seconds. A thief could grind through the bike rack, take bike, complete with expensive lock, throw it in the van, and then take it to their garage, where they could cut through the expensive lock with an acetylene torch. Find a place to lock the bike that is not secluded, or arrange with an employer to let you park the bike somewhere inside.
That's where multiple locks on multiple areas of the rack come into play.
Never lock a bike with one anti-angle grinder lock then the thief will think twice!
One anti-angle grinder and one regular lock can do the trick!
That's also coupled with arming a bike with a couple of motion alarms!
I don’t want to be a Karen lads but you’re using the wrong disk on your cutter… those disks are for tiles
Thing is it depends on what they steal in the first place grinder wise.
Yeah It isn't for Metal
Standard metal cutting discs get eaten up by the anti angle grinder locks, so you have to use diamond discs instead. We've done this a few times now ;)
I use one of those diamond metal blades, they cut pretty well
Yup , I get all my free e bikes using a DeWalt and diamond discs@@amarya86
Francis and Jimmy in goggles and ear protection and they leave Nic in a pair of sunglasses and a beanie 😂
Wow that Squire D16 MAX is something else
Unless I am mistaken, it looks like you have used a diamond blade for cutting masonry. A metal cutting blade would get thorough quicker.
Maybe use a metal cutting blade in the angle grinder? Looks like you’re using a masonry blade?
I'm happy they used diamond blade, because some locks have ceramic additives that eat up metal cutting blades when cutting and other channels who tested them came to conclusion that lock is uncuttable when diamond disc would have no problems with it. Of course I'd be happier if they tried with both type of blades.
Diamond cutting wheel is probably the worst disc to use, a 3M 125X1.0mm Cubitron 3 would rip the arse out of them locks in seconds!
manupulating results and promote brand thats why they using concrete disc :) its a joke.
2:31 thats a good information thanks
Pros mostly use pipe cutters if you lock your bike on one of these round bike stands. Silent and way faster.
solution: square pipe
@@edmundas919 the solution to your solution is that the frame gets cut. No one wants to sell a complete bike with a identification number on the bottom bracket. A complete groupset and or wheels in fairly good condition however change hands fast and aren`t traceable.
@@georgzwiebel9585 It's not a problem in europe. Lack of unified register and open borders makes it easy to move bicycles abroad and sell them. Only cycling enthusiasts care about bike history, regular person cares only about low price.
@@edmundas919 Most high end bikes (everything from 105, deore etc. upwards in terms of group sets) that get stolen are getting dissasembled and the parts except the frame get sold in the same country on second hand website as used parts. why should a bike thief group in for example germany transport the bike to poland, czech republic or austria when they get a higher price for the stolen groupsets, wheels and parts in the original country?
Pragmasis chain and squire lock is all you need 👌
Multiple layers of protection is best.
Fantastic job, now you can make another one with the right tools. Double whammy.
You should have affiliate links for the locks that did well too! Big plus for anyone with a good bike who wants to see it again.
If someone is willing to spend 20 minutes grinding through the lock on my commuter, they can just have it, they're clearly more desperate than me.
this was super helpful gents, thanks for this video, keep up the good work
Important work is being done here chaps 👏
Yeah I have the Hiplok I can trust the lock but have seen places where the bike rack has been cut instead.
Do you live in the UK? Bike theft seems the worst there from all the videos I've seen.
@@teleguy5699 I used to live in London have since moved. But yes bike theft is terrible thanks to the current laws in place and police resources being diverted to pursuing TV licences, Facebook comments and traffic fines.
@@hockysa Terrible.
Have heard of people using a mini car jack to pop D-locks. Would be interesting to see if those two grinder proof ones can stand up to that
I had a look for the squire D16 Max and it's not available just yet... Just the D16 which is available but not the anti angle grinder version. I also checked direct with squire and they said yes coming soon. You must have had pre production one sent to you.
Thanx for the work, hiplock & squire it is❤
Thank you 3xs over! This kind of information is not easy to find!
For the average Joe, buying a dirt cheap bike makes more sense than investing on a heavy really expensive lock
Top trick for U shaped locks - pop a car jack in the U and open it up. Security company locked up a bike at university and challenged students to nick the bike in under a minute to keep it. To quote Yoda "Embarrassed they were."
but this just means they did not buy the proper lock. because a properly sized and used locked bike prevents people from shoving things in between the shackles. its not usually a good idea to buy a lock with a massive sized shackle and lock one bike to a small thin object. if thats the case, you'll wanna size down and buy something with a smaller U.
try the chemical skunklock for some fun. then try the squire d16max again followed by the litelok x3 followed by the hiplok x1000 followed finally by the carbon skunklock.
I think bike lock brands should give you their locks to test out so they know & can learn from what locks are most reliable and what they can improve on to make their product(s) even better than before. Not giving locks to test just shows that they’re either not bothered about the performance of the lock but happy to charge silly money or they don’t have faith in their product would rather keep it under wraps so then they don’t lose custom/money etc.
If I had created a bike lock I would be more than happy to let them test it. If it wasn’t up to scratch, then back to drawing board try create a more stronger anti theft lock keep improving as much as I can by learning from different people, who’ve tested the locks what they experienced with trying to cut through bike locks. Life’s a learning curve, you’re always learning as you go along through life. If you’re not willing to learn & grow, then you’ll face less custom/less confidence from customers not worth losing in my eyes.
My colleague had a really good bike lock. Unfortunately the bike rack was really easy to cut… Next video do a angle grinder test of bike racks!
i like how you didn't even take the water bottle off the bike before doing this. the water is probably like 50% metal after this test. 😀
Have only seen the D16 max today(a month later) on the official squire website(both locks are listed), the £130 lock looks the same in pictures(don't know about the size being the same or different), can see what happened if the max has no information anywhere. Great video as always..great laugh too with the banter!!
So for the Hiplok I just have to undo the four bolds of the stand? Which is probably silent and easy. I can figure out the rest at home :D
Your video should explain how many batteries and how many blades it took to go through. They're really tough lock, Because I do know the thicker. The blade, the longer it will last, but the less damage it will do well. The thinner blades will destroy themselves a lot quicker, but cut through things like butter
I wanna see you guys try some of the different Kryptonite chain locks and also use different types of blades.
It just bugs me that you didn’t go chronologically in the time it took to cut/try to cut the locks 😅. Great video!
few notes:
1 Try different tools, like hydraulic bolt cutter - its quite compact, silent, fast and sure there will be list of the locks that cuttable with this tool (like orange kryptonite - cuttable, but not yellow one as far as I know)
2 - Try to cut base of the lock if its "anti angle grinder"
3 - If you cut orange kryptonite at the top of the lock it could be enough flex to steal the bike if it locked for seatstay only (kryptonite is small - ofter you have to lock it for thinnest or "most outer" tubes)
4 - Separate locks by "carryable" and "not carryable"
So you guys just stupidly ruined few locks without any analysis and classification. But you still can do it.
The base of the lock is made out of the same material
I mean, the main security you are getting is being harder to steal than the bike next to you. If a thief is coming after your bike with an angle grinder, there isn't much you can do if they are that dedicated.
The performance of a battery powered angle grinder definitely goes down when the battery is drained, for fair results a fully charged battery should be used for every lock.
Making the lock thicker than the diameter of angle grinder blade will help prevent the blade from cutting deeper. Coat the steel with really thick rubber should help with manufacturing cost.
you should test them with a powerful magnet. Many lock mechanisms can be easily disengaged by putting a big magnet on one side of the locking mechanism.
why no litelock? isnt that one also very good?
TBF. Locks like the Straplok and FL/850 are only supposed to be cafe locks. Light locks that you can carry around with you without any issue and stop an opportunist from straight up running off with your bike at a cafe stop.
Some deterrent is better than no deterrent and if someone really wanted your bike enough to cut through the lock. At least it will give you an extra 55 seconds to react to whats going on which can be crucial.... But then the thief could go from cutting the lock with the angle grinder to cutting you instead with it but thats always the risk.
Ermm.. are you sure about the FL/850? It's a 2kg lock
@@ehuremovic526 The FL/850 Is under 1Kg according to Squire. The Straplok is about 1.5Kg. They obviously arent going to be as as light or packable as an Abus Combiflex retractable cable lock but the FL/850 is no heavier than an bottle carrying 800ml of water.
Maybe light locks was the wrong term.
@@Rose.Of.Hizaki turns Squire make two kinds of FL/850. I think you're talking about the Folda FL/850 and I'm talking about the Stronghold FL/850. Is my understanding correct?
@@ehuremovic526 Only the one i see on their website. So i assume its the folder.
I personally carry around a metal zip tie and just keep my bike in sight. Fits in jersey pocket and is light.
so we do have locks that do work , thank you
What discs are you using?
A diamond one for cutting masonry 😔
In the States that red would be a Diablo diamond blade, idk if that translates across the pond though
Good show guys
Thoughts: 1) I love my Knog Scout bike alarm. For "hopping in the cafe for a moment", its the best. Not a lock and shouldn't considered as such, but still, so nice to beep boop the phone and know its armed and beep boop when I come outside and ride off. 2) For basic "commuting" use, i.e. lock the bike up while you get tacos, getting a 5 minute cut time is probably sufficient as people will be around in front of most businesses. 3) For at the office, overnight, or common area lock ups, you are going to want one of those 10+ models.
What makes me chuckle is, you didn't need the bike at all, just lock all the locks to the stand and crack on 😜😜
Im actually shocked how good the OnGuard Pitbull did cost wise.
That angle grinder could cut thru the bike rack pretty fast. Cut the rack not the lock?
I need a bike check from Nick, looks great with the knobby tires on it
Can you also try LITELOK X3 as well? Supposingly it takes several angle grinder blades and you still can't cut it
Litelok x3 and Litelok Moto are the best you can get.
Love the energy in this video
What frame is this bike built on?
So nice
Custom titanium. Idk what brand made for him.
Now I'm more interested in knowing how bike racks do against an angle grinder.
How long would it take to cut through the bike rack? Or, dare I say it the frame. I've seen a cut Bianchi frame dumped in a hedge stripped of all its componentry goodness. Ideally these locks need a vibration sensor which sends a text to the owner so you can go back to your bike and kick shit out of the bike thief, sorry I meant "Take appropriate action" ... Keep em peeled... Don't have nightmares.... Etc...
My e-bike battery is worth enough to destroy my bike. That's why I have e-bike insurance.
After reading some comments and checking disc myself 03:51 you guys probably used wrong type of diamond disc for this test that could wrongly show real time results.
That one in video probably IS for concrete bc it has wider gap than ones for cutting stainless steel, and some Ive seen don't even have gaps.
I think you should do test again on DX1000 and Squire D16 MAX. But ofc with Diamond Cutting Disc specifically for Stainless Steel, without any gaps perhaps. And show disc to the camera in future videos.
As someone who lives in Japan and will soon move to England, I’m horrified lol
Rarely do you see a lock on a bike that’s left outside of a cafe, restaurant, or convenience store.
The most important test is whether the manufacturer will stand behind their product enough to provide you with theft insurance should their lock get cut and your bike stolen. This is why I bought a Kryptonite lock and paid for the insurance
"I've never seen a bike thief change their batteries". How many have you watched? lol
The Lockpicking Lawyer is laughing his @$$ off at this…
I used my old d_Lock for years on my commuter shopping bike and a cable lock for the wheels. Everything was great until the advent of the electric grinder
Would like to see the video on drilling out the lock where the key goes . Mostly there made of brass and drilling it out opens most locks. Cheers
The high end Squires have hardened steel pins and ball bearings in the keyway to damage drill bits. Check out LPL Squire SS100CS teardown.
Could you see how long it takes to cut through various bike stands?
I’m conscious that with some intelligence I would cut the bike stand and then take the bike&lock, take it ‘home’ to then break the lock…
Also whether some are easier to Pick or Freeze?
For the 2 top locks you should try drilling thru the key hole. Looks like the hoop is solid but the key hole might be the weakness.
Check out LPLs Squire SS100CS teardown, high end Squires have hardened steel pins and ball bearings in the keyway to damage drill bits.
I use an AXA folding lock that came with my bike when i bought it, someone did try to grinde it but the sound was too loud and a lot of people heard it, this happened in west side of Frankfurt.
Needless to say the would be thief does not walk straight anymore.
Still rocking the same locks I've had for years. A 4x8 krypto series 2, hiplok original chain lock I got on sale for like $40 and a knog strongman I got for like $30 on sale. The padlock on the hiplok is so soft it's a joke so I don't really use it.
Im pretty sure thieves would use steel cutting discs but another option they probably use is to just cut the pipe holder and slide the lock offf, that would take a lot less time then 10 minutes.
Sunklock and OnGaurd has come out with angle-grinder resistant locks also (Sunklock Carbon and OnGaurd RockSolid). You should compare those next vs the Litelocks and Hiplocks. Also, how about testing the ABUS Granite series locks?
Would like to see a Pragmasis chain tested
Thx, very useful and nicely shot - as always - , like your style and humor a lot.
Q: could you guys make a similar test about bicycle (anti theft) tracking devices? It's so difficult to choose the right product (if there's any). Thx a lot.
My mtb, secured with an abus u-lock was stolen by the thieves pulling out the guardrail from the concrete foot, and slipping the bike off. Either that base trick they used before, or the base was just a piece of junk and they got lucky. That one still hurts
I was looking at bike lock reviews and now this shows up in my recommended…. Guess it’s a sign lol.