Electric Bikes Vs Gas Bikes (In The REAL World)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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I purchased a 49cc 4 stroke motor kit with a 44 tooth sprocket. I put it on a 26 inch huffy cruiser. I am 225 lbs on a good day. My top speed is 29 mph with an average of 90 miles per 2.5 litter tank. The only problem I had with this kit was the clutch after about 2500 miles. Replacing it was easy to do and only cost $30
Yup, love my 4 stroke. Just keep an eye on your chain tensioner.
Burned through 2 clutches within 15 miles
Spend the extra money on a wet clutch. It rides in oil and wont burn out.
@@williamsporing1500it can be dangerous if you don’t for sure
@@TalanisYoung I welded one to my frame. It’s an alternator bracket for a Chevy small block. Haven’t had an issue. The bolt on ones that come with kits are junk.
The fact that you built up the 2-stroke bike gives you a massive amount of flexibility when considering things like power, speed, and price. Just this last month, I built a 1500w ebike, including the battery, which I built with 98 Samsung 18650 cells. Because I built it myself, I was able to choose exactly how much capacity the battery had, how much power the motor had, what brakes I put on, and so on. It has a top speed of around 34, and so cruising around at 25 mph really isn't stressing any of the components out. In this way, the DIY approach has its advantages, and leaves the HIBOY ebike with a slight disadvantage.
Very well put together video though!
May I snoop and ask you a question? Your electric build is much more than I will ever need, but as a two stroker wanting to get an electric, I cannot afford a factory electric. About how much was your build? My gasser was $107 for the engine and a $75 old Huffy beach cruiser. Then the lighting, dual brake lever, rear basket (yup poor man's grocery getter) added around $100 more. I want to get into electric and there are hubs on eBay starting around $200, but then battery, speed controls, etc and knowing what goes with what seems impossible to my empty pockets. Any helpful information would be appreciated. Thanks
@@marcpavlik8776 you can check-out ebike school here on youtube.
@@lonewolf14779 Thank you, I will check them out.
@@marcpavlik8776 It all depends on how far you wanted to go to save cash. My build cost a little over $1000 all in, including the necessary tools to build the battery, but you can do it a lot cheaper. I started out with a new $400 bike, because I didn't want to have to worry about any of my components, but if you surfed the used market (facebook marketplace, craigslist, etc) you could probably get a decent bike for around or under $100. The kits you see on eBay for around $250 or so usually come with everything needed to convert the bike EXCEPT the battery, which you would need to get separately. To go the route that I took, and build your own battery would likely save money if you already have a soldering iron, spot welder, charger, and the knowhow to put it together, but otherwise a battery off of eBay would do the trick equally well. The benefits of electric power come with a hefty price tag, but if you save then I think it's worth it.
@@kwadkrazy6078 Very good information thank you. Batteries have been my main concern, I have the bikes, and I have been told to check out E Bike school as well and so far an electric bike is starting to look more promising. Being able to get appropriate items that interface safely with each other, but not necessarily at the same time of purchase and still affordable is a key point for me. I'm getting lot's of information now and have a pretty decent brain (half a body though) but I am starting to think it will happen.
Never thought I'd say something like this. I'm getting excited about an E vehicle.
Oh my Master GM mechanic father is rolling in his grave right now. Oh well. Thanks
I’ve got a 104 year old Indian with a 4 stroke on it, set up for 25 mph. Just a cruiser that I ride to work. Built like a tank, but I really don’t want to push an over 100 year old bike very fast
Wow great pick up!
I geared my 2s to top at 40mph. Which is sketch, but It cruises very comfortably at 30mph
25 to 30 MPH is a safe speed for me on either gas or electric powered bikes....
I get stopped all the time when cruising through a neighborhood with questions and curiosity of the bike...
Most young kids eyes open up wide with amazement because they want one too..
I make sure to let the kids know that a motorized bike is not a toy and can be dangerous...
I ride mostly around my neighborhood, which is 25. I’ve got my my gbike set up for cruising. Oh, it’s also an over 100 year old Indian. Even though it’s built like a tank, I Have no desire to be pushing something that old very fast.
@@williamsporing1500 have you seen the movie " Worlds Fastest Indian ", very good movie...
@@kirstenspencer3630haha love that movie
E bikes in the EU are stupid 25 km/h and pedal assist only. Gas bikes make 100% more sense over here. Unless ,ou get something over the top they don't make sense as a "stock" product.
I like the throttle propelled ebike. Low maitrnce but too expensive. Gas bike wins at the end of the day
@@person-ce8cr go with a conversion kit, literally just finished upgrading my road bike yesterday 1,350$ total and I could easily have gone alot cheaper, this is with a 1000w bbshd motor with a 52v 14ah battery, speed limit I can set, and can cruise up to 38mph, can go faster if I change to higher gears, but frankly I dont need it, and I'm not willing to risk my life on a bike from the early 90s anyways
Gas bikes in Europe dont make as much sense as it seems considering they have to be registered regardless of power. If it's a Bosch motor there is chips available that up the top speed to 45. Trenergy sells a bike without a limiter. Decreasing the wheel circumference in the ebike settings gives you a bit more speed at the cost of inaccurate speedometer readings. The way a manufacturer delivers a bike has to fit certain law based parameters, but that's usually not the whole story
@@joe-_- they don't need any registration in my country. You can have them with a 50cc engine. No insurance, no licence, no registration needed.
@@Matthew-wj8cm oh well in the Netherlands they do
I rode my 2-Stroke motorized bike 42miles through a rain storm and it made it all the way there.
Great video LA.There will certainly be allot of thoughts going on about each style's merit,but there is one thing we All agree on; Riding in a rainstorm just plain sucks.
@Telegram LA_Hoverbike oh that's so many goods do you need my social security number or for me to sign over power of attorney first so you can send me a Keychain? Pfffft you scam bots suck at this smh.
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RUclips is not doing anything about them, they are everywhere!
one more thing worth mentioning is the hot motor on a gas bike. depending on where you live, it might be a nice little heater, or a dangerously hot motor between your legs. I've already got a burn on my calve from the banana muffler. and that's enough to deter my folks from getting one...😔 still love them tho..
They are nice on them cold mornings.
@@LAHover Yeah and don't ebikes become unreliable in really cold weather?
@@dukington101good question... fortunately not a problem where I live, CA
@@dukington101 I think it depends on what kind, I've seen videos of people on ebikes in snowy weather.
@@dukington101ebikes are reliable to ride in the cold, you just lose about 30% of the range compared to summer but otherwise it's just fine.
Thanks for the video man, i looked at both the electric and the 2 stroke. With my budget and mechanical experience, it was an easy choice for me. The 2 stroke it was, and i been enjoying my bike now for almost a year i believe or maybe longer. lol. Electric just could not go the distance, if i want to ride 100miles , all i need to do it keep putting gas in and keep going. Then there was PRICE, and the laws around electic bikes here. 2 stroke was best for me. I appreciate your opinions and thoughts man. take care.
Hey I know this is an old comment but how do you make it ride reliably enough to go 100 miles with no issues?
Great comparison video. I built a 2 a stroke a couple years ago it was fun to build and fun to ride. I put a few mods on and it ran good but it was constant maintenance. I am currently looking at ebikes and hope to avoid the maintenance. Thanks for the unbiased opinion.
I don't know where you live but if it's possible get the aerial Rider Kepler. 1800 bucks and nothing in that price range is more powerful. Look at the specs.
@@Another-Address nobody takes a comment as a life or death situation like you 🤣 what part hurt your feelings?
Try a staton friction drive no matainance
Hey thanks for the shout out brother really appreciate that. Totally unexpected, thank you
Lol
2 years ago when I started on the gas bike journey I considered 2 things 1. I love to tinker with stuff 2. Even with the enormous gas prices we have now, if I can reach 5000 km /motor kit, the overall price (gas, oil, brake pads, chains inculded) is still roughly 60% of the price of a decent electric bike which also would be just half as fun for me. Love your videos and the objective, humble attitude...keep up the good work man
What about a gas-electric hybrid? Use an electric hub motor to get up to speed, and gear the gas engine for high speed cruising. Regenerative braking on the hub motor to recharge the battery off the gas engine. If the power goes out, use the bike as a generator by propping it off the rear wheel. Spin up the rear wheel, engage the gas engine, and use regen to generate power. Then pull that power out of the battery with an inverter to run your fridge.
Pretty informative and interesting, if I had the choice, it would be a fourstroke G-bike, easy to diagnose and repair, more versatile has the option of pedal power and easy to upgrade, E-bikes tend to be a fire hazard and are way too expensive for the average working stiff. Thank You.
Gasket sealer or silicone on the wire going in the hub is what I’ve done. If the wire and hole is pointed down then less chance of intrusion. I still seal them up though. Water in the throttle has messed up my rides before, glad to see this bike doesn’t seem affected.
Thanks for the heads up!
awesome video, I totally agree about the gas bikes, in fact, finding high quality parts is one reason I watch YOUR channel. I realy wish you'd do a comprehensive, part by part video series on known , high quality parts.
Another view my ebike is great for working events and checking stuff in town for the city but gas bike is better for exploring the county or going across town where we have lots of hills that drain the ebike
I have range anxiety. 27 miles to town, ten more to the north end, and back home makes about 75 miles. There are so few bikes that can do that without carrying spare batteries or a huge rack that weighs you down.
Aniioki sell an ebike with a 52v 60ah battery and a guy did a range test, got to around 115 miles using throttle only so that is the best range ebike I know of.
The sound and the speed for the money of a QUALITY 2-stroke setup wins hands down.
I've used a small 1000 watt generator in tow to my 3kw hub motor build and had unlimited miles per generator fills. For folks with range anxiety. I tested this setup for 6 hours of constant running and charge never dropped under 80%
I have both and much prefer the DIY e-bike build mainly for the quiet aspect. However I did purchase a 2nd battery that really didn’t add much extra weight and it was $45 (straight from China). Yeah it took 2 months to arrive but it was cheap. I know people will say it will probably catch on fire but it’s been great so far.
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i put my first gas motor on my mountain bike 3 years ago its got about 3k miles on it..ive only replaced the cdi and spark plug. maybe ive gotten lucky..but it doesnt owe me a dime ive beat the hell outta it the hub bearings on the mountain bike failed before the motor has.
I was literally just talking about building an electric bike as a back up to my gas bike
Why not a hybrid?
I built an e-bike in the early 2000's using a car battery, big block chevy starter with gear reduction and a flywheel (10:1 ratio total) and I used a fuel pump, pc radiator and I ran 1/4" aluminum tubing around the starter coils and brushes. 30ish moh and very reliable. Currently I'm working on a 1,000w setup and working out a gas/e hybrid option.
No motor noise, no me ride. I like the sound and feel of a gas motor. I don't really find the lack of sound to be exciting for an ebike. Not just that, but the long time to charge an ebike fully if you drain the battery, compared to the low time to put fuel in the tank is a selling point for myself.
I just rode an e-bike 1st time and love it
Best gasoline vs. electric video I've seen hands down! As a permanent long distance commuter, I'm considering building an electric hub/Honda 4 stroke hybrid MTB to make my life easier. I've owned a poorly-built 2-stroke and currently ride electric, so have experienced the pros and cons of each.
I never thought much about getting a electric bike but I like the noise of Electric Bikes I need a Electric Bike that can travel 60 miles round trip to work and home.
In NZ you can fly around on an ebike with no motorbike licence but if you put anything over 50cc on you have to have a motorbike licence . Which I find pathetic when it comes down to top speed
Law makers are busted. Making laws about things they don't understand...
LAH, great video as usual and well presented. I'm a two stroker out of cost mostly, some times I have hopped in the van instead of the bike because I can be lazy or my leg hurts bad enough I don't want to peddle. An electric would be a great addition to my transportation needs. Like you, electric range would suit me fine. Right now a 1/2 gallon gas and $1 for oil mix lasts me a month or better in town ($40 per month in fuel in the van, I don't leave home much anymore). Getting electric is out of the question price wise (so if any of those folks sending you an electric wants to send one to this crippled old coot I will take one) but the cost of even assembling one from new eBay parts is unobtainable and the knowledge of what goes with what part wise is more daunting than the money part. I took my old Hardley a Davidson out the other day and ended up in a downpour so bad I pulled the helmet over the front of my eyes and peeked through an air vent to see. About three blocks and I was soaked, dripping wet. Road conditions and sight were the only things slowing me down as the bike seemed to love the water cooling, but then old grumpy here spent twenty minutes drying my chrome and at some point will re polish it. Anyhow I would like more information of building my own electric, I would assume the more sales the price should come down as well. At this point two stroker may be my only answer, but I'll keep watching you. Maybe there's a China Doll electric set-up in the works soon and if so I'd hope you'd get, build and show it on your channel. Stay safe.
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Nobody thinks about this but I've been wanting to try. What about a Toyota Prius of bicycles. An electric mid drive motor and a 2 stroke
of course that's the future
I think my only complaint with either of these options is as a 3rd person having to deal with irresponsible riders on either. had someone almost run me down at 30-40mph (I assume that was the range since they were going faster than the cars on the road next to me) on one of those electric scooters, and I only heard them behind me when they got within a foot or two maybe? at least with the petrol scooters or bicycle equivilents you have even a vague idea they are coming towards you without having to directly see them. also was a black scooter and a rider wearing all black, thank god it was daytime if thats how they ride, wouldve had no chance at night.
ride safe, dont be that person, at least have a little bell or something...
I like 2 stroke kits for their price to performance, electric bikes for simplicity, and my predator 212 swapped Phatmoto all-terrain is the best of all worlds to me. I kinda want to see you get a good 4 stroke kit for a bike, since they are great if you get a good kit or make it on your own.
Love my 4 stroke. Always starts, no pre mixing, quiet
@@williamsporing1500 It's quiet? Is the Phatmoto a 4 stroke? And what about anti theft for cities with a lot of bike thieves? Is it good for food delivery? The loud noise of a gas bike makes that more of a problem as well.
I'm a gear head I love the sounds of Engine's not motors but yea man I definitely will grab a engine before I grab a motor
Ride what you love!
All my bikes have a 4l first official video on channel out this Friday I'd love to be on your next bike review video , better/worse learning is the goal).
The only thing that I do not like about two stroke is, they are too loud, and they draw a lot of attention. And a lot of places there is a noise ordinance against using them after 10 PM. Four stroke is quieter.
I would want to point out that it’s literally impossible to find a entire electric bike with a 60v, 52v, or a 48v battery for under $500. You can try finding one for more than 168 hours non-stop but I’ll promise you that you will never ever find a seller trying to sell a entire electric bike with a 52v battery for under $500 flat. Electric bikes also is not budget-friendly on the whole since a dirt cheap e-bike by many enthusiasts cost a minimum of $1k. A decent electric bike conversion kit alone cost $1,350. Electric bikes are trash, for the battery alone you could’ve purchase an entire pre-installed gas bicycle.
(RUclipss Jarrod D) Made me realize that a 3hp. 4 stroke rear friction drive is simple, cheap, low maintenance & very reliable. Best suited for a commuter bike or for long hobo road trips....He's rode his cross country a couple times....It has good hill climbing power & good MPGs.....A few downsides are engine noise, having to bump start when you come to a complete stop & only a 25 to 30 mph top speed. Some engine noise could be reduced with a better muffler & light plastic or aluminum partial engine enclosure....A clutch could be added so it doesn't need bump started at every stop while still being reliable....He doesn't use a clutch, I assume just to keep it as simple as possible.
Between a friction drive, ebike & 2 strokes, I think a 49cc 4 stroke kit is a good compromise. It's quieter & better MPGs than 2 stroke, can still go 30-35 & more reliable than a 2 stroke. Not much more expensive than 2 stroke & much cheaper than a e-bike.
Try a jackshaft kit on a 2 cycle you'll be able to ride at alower speeds(maybe not as slow as the e bike tho) and you will reduce rpm at high speed
If you can I suggest getting both gas and electric both worlds are a blast ...I've even got a BMX just to throw down at the park.....thx for the side by side...good stuff
of course that's the future
Good stuff. Built my 1st electric '06 when gas hit $4+. 12-20 mi range w/o pedaling. 6mi round trip to the Lake Worth FL beach cost 3cents. Worked great for urban life. Now I live in the woods 13 mi from town. Bought Chinese 2stroke kit,, in 2011, crappy castings and fasteners,continuously disintegrating, gave it away to a guy w same for parts.
Chinese motor
Bike by Schwinn
Ride it out
Push it in....
Now I mount Honda gxt 160s (5hp22lb tank inc, lots of 'em cheap) above the rear wheel.( coupled weight on back makes sketchy handling) Power delivered by 20" dia crank- mounted fan. AC fan hub blades cut from poly 5gal bucket segments)Made 3, 1st was hardtail, shook floatbowl too much, starved out at speed. Next 2 full suspension mtn bikes, crude fairings, cruise 25, max 40+ downhill+ tailwind 70mpg.
In 12 yrs cops wave and smile at the goofball on the crazy bikes and ppl pass me, pull over stop and video me passing. I wear earplugs to keep wind and motor noise down. My bikes sound like 25mph lawnmowers.
Great channel! Build a bike!
Best to all
A few things I think was skipped in this video, while pre-made ebikes definitely have a serious expense, there are conversion kits that can be significantly cheaper, and offer better parts than what you can get on pre-made, granted my opinion is biased on this as I have just finished my first conversion, but at 1350$ in for something that can be considered a decent ebike, but 1350 is far better than the 2k+ that most pre-mades start out at, also I do feel that hub drive ebikes are just flat out inferior to their mid-drive counterparts, again my opinion is biased, but backed up by stats. Another thing to mention for the electrics, depending on the bike, the battery is removable, and depending on the quality of the battery, it will have a safety to cut off charging when it's complete, meaning yes you can put it on the charge over night, and during cold spells you can just take the battery off the bike and bring it inside
I love the smell of gasoline. Case closed. Lol Thanks man, this was interesting.
Or, diesel that's love fumes smells.
E-bikes are far too expensive and you have to wait to charge them.
As an ebike main who love to ride for fun too not just work and back this is the real truth.
I want a gas electric hybrid bike so bad, if you want a weekend project would love to see one !!! Not sure if it would have any practical use but would be cool
Good video! There’s a few things I like to point out….I had a business building DYI gas, and E-bikes.
The DYI E-bike I just built has a 48v 17.5AH 30A BMS…..the Battery was not expensive at all.
Buying a battery with a BMS is the way to go, it cannot be overcharged! And the charger turns off when it’s full’ no matter how many times you try to put it back on the charger….my charger will not charge it when full….the top speed and range is 36mph 41Miles with a battery at %10 power remaining, full throttle constantly.
My E-bike can travel in rain….just like my gas bikes
Range will always go to a gas bike’ bring a small container of 2 stroke oil’ and stop at the gas station when you need to.
Reliability goes to the Electric bike…I sold many gas and electric bikes, and I always have issues with returned gas bikes’ Gas bikes is for people who know how to work on them’ most people will buy a gas bike….don’t do any maintenance on them, ride them into the ground, and blame the builder’ this is one reason why I stopped…..doing gas bikes…. I ended up putting as is on my ads, I would let the person test ride it….and usually would know right away, if this person was gonna have difficulty, owning a gas bike.
I would ask the customer….are you looking to buy a gas bike for transportation or fun, most times….I talked the buyer in buying a E-bike…..one test drive from a gas, and E-bike, and most decided to go with the E-bike
People don’t know how to operate the clutch, burn out the clutch packs, lose the chain, remove the air filter, and ride them in the rain…..I used to provide them a chart for fuel ratios, and provide a bottle of 2 stroke oil….believe it or not, ppl didn’t use the 2 stroke oil, Lock the engine up, and try to return them.
Electric bikes are more reliable
Gas bikes have a longer range
Electric bikes are easier to ride
Electric bikes are cleaner
Electric bikes don’t Attract unwanted attention’ law enforcement’ gas bikes shouldn’t be road on sidewalks….cops have ears, sooner or later they will catch you.
EBikeling kits are very water proof….my battery is very water proof.
You can use the bike rack on the bus
You can ride a E-bike on most bike trails…..unfortunately you can’t ride a gas bike, people will hear them, and before you know it…..a cop will be waiting for you at the end of the trail’ we have many in Florida, and the gas bikes tend to annoy people….a 4 stroke is far worse.’ I think a 4stroke motor wise is more dependable, but louder’
Off road light dirt trail….gas bikes are a little bit funner’ unless you own a Mid drive e-bike.
Total cost on my DIY electric bike was $850 without the bike….kit only.
Just got a Fuji 50cc motorbike it's awesome
You should build a hybrid, gas, electric, and pedal bike. Use a front hub or mid drive. Pick a wattage and voltage that will go the same speed as the gas engine will go.
Efectivamente un motor de CDH que costaría unos 160$ si tuviera los componentes buenos serian unos 300$ seria hermoso y algo que estaria dispuesto a pagar.
I feel like trading a bit of performance on the gas engine by putting a more restrictive quieter exhaust on it would solve most of the concerns about karens and drawing attention and/or legality. Like you said, if they don't know you're there. Then they're probably not gonna ask any questions.
I plan on buying a trike soon and have been making plans to put a motor on it. I have a bike path near where i live, but to get to it i have to take public roads which means traffic, which means i either get a bike rack or something and drive there or put a motor on the bike so i can "safely" ride amongst the traffic to get to the bike path to then pedal around on.
IMO, especially from a cost perspective, Gas is the way to go. The cheapest 2 stroke kits (
I did something really stupid but fun. I have a small ebike with 14 inch wheels and I strapped an 80 cc 2 stroke motor , so the electric motor drives the front wheel and the 2 stroke drives the rear and can be used at the same time meaning it can be used as RWD , FWD an AWD anytime i want.
I have to agree with you. Range isn't even an issue. I commute 10 miles each way, every day, with my rad city, or my rad rover, and never have a problem, whether it be the fat tire bike, or the skinny tire.
I’ve built both gas and electric bikes and they both have their advantages, I’d go further on the gas, and a lil faster (40mph)but e-bikes are cleaner and less maintenance. Btw, I’m waiting now for a 3000w hub for my next build! Hoping to hit 40 or better! Woo hoo! Good vid dude 👍🏽
I have about 4 years and 4k-ish sank into ebikes over those years..
I've been riding 2 stroke bikes for about 6-7 years and have roughly 2500ish in engines and engine related only terminal "tackle" alone... About 3k if you include tires.
They just have their places and it's better to have both
The online e-bike conversion kits don't cost much until you add a battery. I was looking at a Bosch e-bike because I like the chain drive motors. The e-bike was $2200 and an extra battery was $800. I couldn't afford that, so I opted for the Bafang e-bike kit to get the price below $1000. I like the bike because it makes no sound. Adding a 2nd battery cost around $500, but then there is always the fear of battery failure and if it ever catches fire, they burn down everything around it. Hopefully that won't happen to me, but it is a concern. I have been thinking of buying a friction drive kit with a Honda GX50 engine. You're right, it is more of a hobby than something to depend on.
At the end of the day the big dealbreaker for me on gas bikes is the noise and legality, a standard 80cc 2 stroke counts as a motorcycle in maryland for some reason
There is a reason he didn't compare this to mid drive e-bikes. Best of both worlds. 750w and efficient from the transmission on your bike already. Can cruise @ high speeds while sipping power. I had a Grubee skyhawk 79cc motor bike and it vibrated alot. I was always adjusting and tightening stuff. Had to epoxy and locktite alot. Hes also not mentioning the oil costs.
Also I know 2 different people also on RUclips that says they got 10k plus on their first gas build. Both say 1st thing is a 90ish quality crmo frame. Next 1 used a cheap ebay China doll 49cc the other used a 66/80 wildcat for $135. Both say 32 to 1 from crate to death. 1 went through 4 set's of V break pads @ the cost of $10 a set of 4. The other went through 9 set's of disk breaks and 18 set's of pads did not mention the costs of those. Both say how do all the other's not get the same longevity out of their gas built bicycles they say they are clueless. I think I know the problem. On engine all that hyped up crap is highly over rated unless your using them for race's Only. Because both showed their still using all the same cheap kit throttle cables etc that came with their kit's. 1 had the upgraded throttle it's broken out of the plastic housing but as he shows still work's. Also I think he said 3 set's of tires. Electric bike's will never do that millage without replacing batteries their good for 1 year of solid everyday riding. The hubs go out buy another one the controllers burn out buy another one. Then all the breaks tires etc. I found Only 1 guy on RUclips with an electric front hub that went 20k miles. Front hub set in assist mode 2 to 3 which means he's pedaling 99 % of the time. Also he lives where temperatures never go over 80° also the front hub was a 1500 or 2000 hub I forget which. He had a 40ah $4000 dollar battery @ the time he built it. I think I'll take the $200 used trek chrome molly & the wild cat pk80 every time for $135 for reliability.
L A, I think of you a The DIY Bike Professor because of your thorough investigation & analysis of any subject, bike related. I love it, & had to rewind portions of the vid. several times, because it was chocked full knowledge & experience, & I couldn't wrap my brain around it, in the first pass. Kudos to you & thanks for the knowledge/wisdom drop to the eager learners out here! Blessings & Freedom. Paul from S. Central Tx.
But you fail to mention the price of the battery on the electric I believe evens the maintenance cost on the gas
I like your info on both. But yeah, I do love the 2 stroke way more cause it’s fun to ride n tinker with doing my own custom ideas n not to mention the price difference . I really don’t mind doing repairs. Cause I’m into 4WDs n American Muscle Cars so it’s all Fun Fun Fun!!
Great video! thanks... It never occurred to me that the gas bike could go slow. Thanks for the heads up!
I don't hate you, on the contrary. I'm going to sub and like, just for the one comment you made. I enjoy hearing truthful information, lies and bs, not so much. Anyway, uh yeah, that comment. You are the first person that I have heard, so far, that has actually told people a very, very smart, and very important thing. *Never charge your batteries unattended!!!*Believe me you are the only other person that I've heard this from, except for myself. I have the standard rad 48 volt chargers, and I'll tell you what, they get hot. It's double fused at the battery, but that's not a fix-it-all solution. Bad things can happen. Spraying water on lithium ion actually makes it burn, and much worse. I've had two chargers fell already, in two years, and I've had a BMS in one of my batteries have a meltdown. It's no joke, these batteries can start a fire, and quickly. Never charge them unattended, and never charge them in direct sunlight. One of the most important comments I've heard someone say. And you and I are the only people that have said it so far.
Thank you for that comment, my friend.
Also wanted to say ebike replacement parts are $$$$, battery/controller/motor failure after warranty is like $100-750 depending on what is busted.
Great video, it helped me decide that yes, the electric bike is for me since i am prioritizing reliability and ease of pedaling as i am using it just for commuting and exercising. Thanks for the great video
I’ve got over 1000 trouble free miles on my gbike.
Listen I understand the part about the gas motors making noise when you ride past people houses especially they have babies but listen if you know there's a house coming up with a baby in it all you got to do is shut the motor off you can still ride the bike by pulling the clutch in that's what I like about gas engine they have a clutch
20 -30 is very quick when I ride i adv like 8 -15 mph I couldt imagine how much easier it would be with a gas or E bike
I love the two stroke motorized bicycle. I hope one day you will ride a properly built 4 stroke 212cc motorized bicycle similar to the smoking loon 212 Predator build by AGK (affordablegokarts). At any rate, I think you missed your true calling. You should've been a lawyer. You have a very good vocabulary, very good command of the English language, you tell both sides of an issue and you explain all the facets of a subject with insight. I appreciate all of your information. Thank you.
Thanks to this video I will go with a motorized bike!
Thanks, great video, I am running a friction drive two stroke in NYC don't know how legal it is but I have no matainance with this set up. Staton hi quality friction drive made in USA and a Japanese two stoke no issues and under 400 dollars
How long do you need to wait for the electric to charge? How long does it take to fill the gas tank?
My rear wheel is gas, i am adding a 48v 30amp electric front wheel... the electric throttle is upside down on the left handle... but it works...
Hold in the clutch for the gas engine... get started on electric wheel, release the clutch to start the gas engine... when on quiet bike trails kill the engine and roll by electric to be polite...
Here in Poland, we do not have any law about motorized bikes so it is kinda illegal, but as long you drive normal, about 35 km/h, police do not care. They pull me over twice just to see my DIY bike. Most of the time it's curosity how it works. I have driving licence for a car so by law i can drive bikes up to 125 cc. Only problem it is that i cannot register it or buy insurance so this is that illegal part. I draw more attetion than ferrari, but it is fun. And yeah learing process how to maintance and drive without failure was nightmare. I drive it daily from home to work. Right now have about 700 km without any major failure
Nice video on comparing these to bikes. Very helpful for a newer builder who just can’t decide what one they will buy.
Personally I just love working on my two stroke bikes and I rode my friends 350watt Ebike
and it was super slow lol,
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From what I've read so far, 350 watt is cheaper but slow. Get at least 500 w, and 750 if u can
I don't know why, but gas bikes are just so much more fun to me, I've ridden an ebike up past 50km/h and it was fun, but hitting 50 on a gas bike is just feels that much better, maybe because I had to build it and upgrade it myself and it works. also holy s*it the range on a single tank of gas is at least 40km, probably closer to 50 or 60 though. idk, mini rant over
Gas wins hands down. Almost full throttle right out of the gate. Cost far cheaper then batteries bicycles. Electric you'll pedal far more & get far less. You run out of battery you pedal all the way home. You run out of gas you roll to the next gas station. Overall cost don't buy the $2000 plus Electric bicycle you could buy darn near 10 gas bicycles for the same money. Also those front or rear hubs burn out spend another $500 compared to an 80 wild cat for $135.00
Totally loved this video, meticulously informative and very fair
Enjoy the journey it's not a race. Unless you want to. My build does 50 something. I can barely touch the speed for long
Man..this was such an essential video..thank you La Hover
My ebike is awesome around town but yeah a long range build I was planning is just gonna be a money pit and even with fast charging I'll be stuck places for a couple hours. I do have a solar trailer I'm building for camping trips but a hybrid build with gas rear and a front hub will be ideal for me I reckon. Totally scrapped my $2500 build plan and just gonna get a hub motor and a 4 stroke kit for about a grand (that's cheap here, we get screwed on imports 🤦)
For the price of just the eBike battery, you could get a somewhat decent mountain bike, a gas motor kit while also making it less attractive to thieves.
Basicly if you dont want to be working on your bike all the time and you have the money electric is the way to go but if your on a budget and you have the time gas is the way to go, but there are other things to be considered also like if your a mechanic or not or the laws in the state you live in or what purpose for your bike you have in mind and the weather and terrain you plan to be riding in... For me I lean towards gas but my biggest issue would be fixing them....
Motorized Bikes 2 Stroke Engines, 4 stroke engines, and Electric.
I see the biggest difference simply COST. $200-$250 for the 2 stroke, that's engine kit and bicycle, ready to run. With the 4 Stroke add $100-$150. The Electrics, $1200 -$2000 add the cost to replace the Battery, $200 - $300.
I'm a Hobbyist, a Tinkerer. I like the 2 strokes. More equipment to "BOLT ON" to Step up performance, Tuned pipes, High Compression Heads, Hotter Ignition , Hotter Plug, Different Carburetors, and the Jets.
Finally "RANGE". The "WET" engines have the advantage Here.
The Electric may be Nice but the Cost.
for Ebikes , i use a thing called " plumbers putty " all around possible exposed areas where water can ingress into the battery terminal or motors, can use it as well to reseal the electric hub , its water proof for life and can be reaplied and removed at will , its awesome stuff
Comprehensive and thorough as always. I have quite a bit of experience with both and I'd say you hit the nail on the head comparing the two
Can you summarize what he said so I don’t have to listen through all of this?!
The happy middle ground between these two extremes is a four-stroke, and a big hoop gear on the back wheel same as the original motorcycles, that is your simplest and most reliable drivetrain
well said everything is spot on im currently using an ebike and as you said its worry free but i still want to have a gas bike as well for the sake of tinkering on something and use it the same way i just dont have much choices on engines here in my country mostly chinese ones that you would defenitely must have replacement parts handy but very well said review of each one
Thanks!
Im really having a hard time to decide and everything boils down to noise. While I will love to build my first gas bike because looks way more fun than electric BUT where I live is a very quiet neighborhood full of elderly people so the noise of the gas bike wont be fun im leaning to the side of electric. If I can find a really good, again, really good silencer no matter if I cut on performance of the engine I will be fine but so far no luck, everyone post about performance mufflers, not about silence the friking thing. Because of that im leaning a bit to the electric option. Im even thinking to build both in one, gas and electric with the electric kit that has the motor in the front tire. Im building a cruiser cheap walmart bike.
10.13.23 i have a ev bike hiboy p6 and i love😅
Thanks for the honest review.
To be fair you can pedal a the gas bike and not use the engine in heavily populated areas when riding you have to take your surroundings in to consideration
I like them both
19:00 scwihnn stingray?
Soon! Getting her ready for a 2 stroke.
very helpful and practical comparision thank you!
There are heard of but not necessarily common expensive and unsafe consequences to storing at a high state of charge or charging a lithium ion battery unattended. Making sure it and your charger each has an UL rating, and verifying that it's legit, will ensure it meets safety standards by design; but could have manufacturing defects or damage from hard abrupt g-forces. I have an ebike, considering how to store the battery pack during and after charging until the next use, so if there is a problem it will be contained. Maybe a fitted container lined with dirt, fireproof insulation, clay, whatever is easy to touch with the other side in a flame. I don't want to scare people from ebikes. Just make sure you can make it convenient while eliminating the threat of a house fire.
Built my first motorized bike. Had to fix a tool bag for it... and it holds bike locks and pit stop snacks!
i went with a gas bike for the distance I can get. I like the long ride.