The Truth about FAT Tire Ebikes: Sidestep the Bullsh💩
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2023
- The pitfalls and deception to look out for when buying a 750w fat tire electric bike, and whether or not you should buy a fat ebike in the first place is the topic of this video. There are definitely some solid reasons and benefits to buying a fat tire ebike, but there are certainly downsides and things to take into consideration before you open your wallet and drop $1,000 to $2,000 on an electric bike. This electric bike video should help clear up some of the confusion when shopping around for a cheap ebike for this riding season.
My favorite "cheap" fat tire ebikes:
✅ Aventure:
My review: • Aventon AVENTURE Revie...
Strengths: Top speed 💨, agility
weakness: throttle lag, a few more
✅ Nomad 1: bit.ly/VelotricNomad code Juiced60 - discount $60
My review: • Velotric NOMAD 1 Revie...
Strengths: Hill climbing 💪, comfort
weakness: it's not perfect
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Fat Tire E-Bikes:
Velotric Nomad 1: • Velotric NOMAD 1 Revie... 💯 great value
Himiway Cruiser: • Himiway Cruiser Review... 💪 strong
Hovsco HovAlpha: • Hovsco HovAlpha Review... 🤑 luxury
Cheapest Amazon Fat Bike: • I Survived Amazon's CH... 💸 cheap
MagiCycle Cruiser: • Magicycle Cruiser Pro ... ⚡️52v
Meebike Gallop Moped Style: • MeeBike Gallop REVIEW ... 😎 stylish
HeyBike Brawn: • HeyBike BRAWN Review -... - good suspension
😏 other ones...
Vtuvia: • VTUVIA SJ26 REVIEW - A...
✅ Commuter/Cruiser Style:
Velotric Discover 1: • NEW Velotric Discover ... 💯great value cruiser
Ride1Up Cafe Cruiser: • Ride1Up CAFE CRUISER R... 🏝️beach cruiser vibes
Ride1Up Core 5: • Ride1Up Core 5 Electri... 🪶 lightweight and practical
KBO Breeze: • KBO Breeze Review (my ... (commuter)
😏 other ones...
Hiboy P7: • Hiboy P7 Electric Bike... mountain bike-ish style
✅ Foldable Fat Ebike:
Gosen Q7 (dual battery): • Gosen Q7 might actuall... - long range foldable
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I got a fat tire bike because I got back into biking at 400 lbs (down from 490 and now at 360.) I look forward to being able to ride more traditional bikes as I lose more weight, but that’s not something that can be done overnight or even within a year (safely and healthily) I love the fact that my bike was able to get me back into something I loved doing as a kid/teenager.
amazing, keep it up!
Heck yeah bro, keep getting more bike ready!
I'm in the same boat, 400lbs and 6'4", doing research through this channel to see what's best. So far I'm looking at the Nomad 1 over the Aventure
Great job. Keep it up and best of luck.
Hey there, fellow biking enthusiast! I stumbled upon a new project called the Freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike, and it sounds absolutely amazing! One of its outstanding features is the ability to recharge the bike indoors. How cool is that? It's great to hear that your fat tire bike got you back into something you loved as a kid/teenager. Keep enjoying your rides and slowly but surely achieving your fitness goals. Can't wait to see you on a traditional bike soon! Keep up the fantastic work! 💪🚴♂️
I bought a RadRover fat tire e-bike four years ago. I now have 5,000 miles on the odometer. I am 75 years old. I rode standard mountain bikes for many years, but going UP steep hills and the severe muscular agony involved seemed to cause me to ride my mountain bike very infrequently as I got older. Fat Tire e-bikes simply remove the agony of traveling uphill. The electric motor can be engaged when traveling uphill, and when traveling downhill or on flat ground the electric motor need not be engaged at all. I also have a cargo trailer for my RadRover for trips to the grocery store. I would recommend ALL people getting on in years to buy a fat tire e-bike. The fat tire e-bike will cause elderly people to get out of the house and exercise - and daily exercise can add years to the life expectancy of the elderly. Fat tire e-bikes can become a 'fountain of youth' for the elderly.
This seems to be talking about the advantages of an E bike and not the difference between a fat tire ebike and a regular ebike -- no?
@@mary2al Correct. My post was singing the praises of a 'fat tire e-bike'. I have never even ridden a 'skinny tire e-bike' - but I have ridden many many skinny tire standard non-e-bike mountain bikes through the years - and the fat tires on modern e-bikes produce a much smoother ride and provide much better traction in sand and mud and snow. Fat tires obviously require more energy to propel the fat tire forward, and this is where the 750 W electric motor comes into play. I would still advocate for all e-bike buyers to choose a fat tire e-bike over a skinny tire e-bike. I can see NO advantage of choosing to buy a skinny tire e-bike as opposed to a fat tire e-bike.
great bike
I find a 350 watt 14-amp hour battery does fine for grocery shopping. I am pretty satisfied having a fun ride for 6 miles out and back. Generally, only go out as far as you might be prepared to walk back. The more powerful systems come with compromise. Is there improvement with 4" tires over 3" tires? I would like a 250 watt as most of my riding is done using around 150 watts.
I dont think a fat tire mtn will go as far as a street tire mtn bike ebike ..
I 'm 62 @ 250lbs and I've ridden my entire life. Had great bikes in all categories. I LOVE MY FAT EBIKE, more than any other bike I've ever owned. No down sides that bother me at all. It's a different thing and I ride within my parameters. Love the bike, the gear and the tools. I have a 52V 21AH battery and a Grin charger. Endless range. Incredible metrics on the LCD. So here's 1 vote FOR fat ebikes.
I second that!! I'm 67, 6'2", 245lbs. I love my fat tire bike with full suspension. I have a 52V, 20AH battery with 26" wheels and I get great range. I can't give you a range number but it's all I want or need. So here's vote #2 for fat tire ebikes.
@@cleophusfowler well I’m 5’7(yeah I’m short). I love my fat tire bike 2.
@barronlatta9648 may I ask which ones y'all own? I am 6' 4" and weigh 230 looking for my first ebike.
It is very overwhelming.
@@caseyspencer4705 I have a Magicycle Deer. I agree, it's very overwhelming! The Deer is advertised to fit riders up to 6'8".
@@cleophusfowler whoa. Haven't even heard of that one yet. Thank you!
I've had my Aventon Aventure since July of 2022. The reason why I bought that particular model is that it can carry up to 400 lbs. When I started biking, I was over 300 lbs and I dropped down to 286 lbs. Most ebikes I found had the weight capacity of 300 to 330 lbs and at my weight, I was afraid that the bike would actually break down prematurely. Given that bit of reasoning, I was happy to find a bike that could carry more than my own weight because I knew the bike would hold up to my weight and whatever I needed to carry on my trip. Another thing I really enjoy about my bike is that the 750 watt motor it has can easily help me get uphill because I live in a city that was built on a hilly terrain. I also hated having to strain myself to get my bike up a hill. Having to get off of my bike and walk it uphill was always my solution for hills. That just took the fun of bike riding away for me. My bike has even allowed me to leave my car at home when I have somewhere to go. For all the things this bike has done for me, I have no regrets buying one.
I'm a 50 year old man, 6' 3/4" tall and 180lbs who's first ebike will be arriving in the beginning of the new year. I appreciate the knowledge you're sharing in your videos and your take on fat tires. I dont know yet how much winter riding I'll do once it arrives, we're having a mild winter here in Alberta (-14C as an overnight low, which is very warm for this time of year) so far, if it keeps up i may do more riding than I'd normally even consider. I went with the eahora hedonic cupid that was just released which comes with 20"x 3" tires, been binge watching your videos to glean some knowledge, get some ideas for a second bike down the road and along with those reasons it scratches the itch while i wait for my ebike. IMO you are the best reviewer of this type of product and i appreciate the way you present your videos, thank you
"...monster truck for the street." That is exactly what I want. My last bike accident landed me in the hospital for 4 days because my road bike's front tire slipped into a concrete expansion space here in SoCal, sending me over the handle bars. I no longer ride, but if I did, I want the widest tire.
Then what you really mean is, you want the correct tire for those roads, not a skinny road bike tire, and not a fat bike tire. It is strange that you skip over the sane middle ground.
What were you riding lol.
@stinkycheese804
Right.A 2.5" wide tire is just ok. A 3"😊 -3.5" wide is very good👍 👍.
I have been riding my Himiway step-thru cruiser for two years. It's a perfect fit for a three hundred pound old dude, I enjoyed over 1600 miles of a combination of on and off road. I did change the forward chain sprocket to deal with ghost peddling issues at higher speeds, put a nice comfortable saddle, and upgraded to hydraulics brakes. I average 48 to 60 miles on one battery depending on the terrain. {Riding it like a bicycle, not a moped} I carry an extra battery to give me the extra range. Batteries are not cheep about 500 bucks{US} All in all very happy with it, totally agree they are not for everyone.
I've watched tons of ebike reviews and imo yours are in a class above the rest. Always super informative, clear, concise, with a smidge of comedy, plus your 20% hill climb test is so revealing, really separates the wheat from the chaff if you catch my drift. Most reviewers barely cover any significant hills, and that to me is mind boggling. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! Great job!
Except for the man-bun , which is not the best for wind resistance , you seem to get a lot of free bikes and not very happy about it...so ....as a dude ??
Assistance going up hills is the main reason I bought my fat tire Lectric 3.0. So, your recommendation on comfort and inclines tells me I bought just the right thing! I love it.
Plus great value And doesn't need hydraulic brakes. You bought a nice bike.
No you did not. But Lectric knows what the customer wants (not the ideal bike ;))
@@bindingcurve then what do you recommend
@@TheSpriteGod First question in budget. But as a generic mid range E-Bike the REI Co-op Cycles CTY e2.1 Electric Bike
Good choice.
I found this very helpful. I was buying an Amazon e-bike based on the motor, and overlooking the type of breaks. Surely, it had mechanical disc brakes on a big heavy bike. Thanks for the save!
Your reviews are the BEST. Thank you for explaining everything about e-bikes in such detail and honesty. The mid drives are far more natural feeling to ride but way too expensive.
1 word: SNOW...it's winter A LOT up here...
Do you ride a regular bike in winter?
@@antinazi1959 Fat Bike yes there are trails design and maintained for them to use recreational all year round and many people also use them to commute short distances or in cities yes...not regular tire, fat tires are much better for snow.
@@TechWizMasterjust got a philodo 1k watt fat tire for winter transit to work this will be my first bike hopefully it's fast enough
@@VanniCashhow's the philot working out for you? It looks like a good bike too
@@EdPadin it's good but got a flat on my first trip out had to patch it works great now but the battery pushing at 31mph doesn't last very long but it's Definitely a fun bike
Since I use a mix of ebikes and city buses and trains, I make sure my tires/wheels are thin enough to be secured in the wheel brackets provided for that purpose on the city vehicles.
Fat tires may limit your ability to use city buses or trains. A large percentage of the time I've found a fat tire will not fit in the wheel brackets often provided on these vehicles, and most vehicle operators will not let you take your bike on board if they don't fit those brackets. I've found SOME city trains allow one to keep the bike on its wheels as long as it's not too crowded and one stays with the bike...but they may make you get off the train if passenger conditions change.
Exactly. I use my ebike to get me the 4 miles to the bus/train station, but there's no way I could get it onboard either if it had fat tires.
Thankfully my city doesn’t have any worthwhile public transport.
What is the max tire thickness that public transport will allow? Is 3" too thick?
@@amosbatto3051As far as I know, there is no standard covering this. It varies by city, and even by which bus company the city contracts with to provide bus service (which can change without warning). The buses back then and currently providing service in my city barely fit most standard street tires, which are quite narrow compared to mountain bike tires (which don't fit), but the latest bike racks on our light rail trains can handle very wide tires like the mountain bike tires...those trains' racks look like they'd easily handle tires over 3 inches wide.
LOTS of good info here, and the part about factory range testing being done by a little dog had me dying! You can calculate the battery watt hours and divide that by the range estimates, and no e-bike is going to use only 8Wh per mile. 20 to 30Wh per mile is more realistic for the typical stock 750 watt fat tire. On my own bike I can get the power usage down to 18Wh per mile, but that's with pedaling instead of throttle. I found that, on my particular bike, 150 watts compensates for the extra weight of the bike, and makes pedaling effort the same as my regular bikes.
I guess I'll be the oddball and say I ride my fat tire e-bike on actual mountain bike trails regularly, with drops and climbs up to 38%. My front wheel is surprisingly light at 7.4 pounds, and that includes all the axle hardware, upgraded floating rotor, and at the moment, some mud. It's only 3.3 inch wide tires though, so that helps with the weight and nimbleness. Is a Sur Ron better for off road? Of course, but then we're comparing an electric motorcycle to an e-bike.
Torque is wonderful, and I was reminded of this on a group ride in Maryland. The lead riders were taking the "Seven Hills" in Endicott at 40mph, while some e-bikes couldn't even MAKE it up the hills and had to be walked. I'm glad I was in the first group, but felt bad for the second. My bike is an oddball because fitting IN my trunk was a requirement. It's a RadMini running Tesla batteries and a 96amp Phaserunner feeding a 3kw hub motor, and it has crashed a few times due to flipping, but it still looks stock. A fat tire works as a good all-rounder for me: I can ride state parks and bike paths in true class 2 mode, go on group rides with gas mopeds, PEV's, Sur Ron's and Onyx's, and also hit the trails. (PS: I'm not normal 🤣)
love your detailed comment! thanks for sharing this, I'd love to know more about putting Tesla batteries on an ebike like you've done! happy riding!
Bro, id be blessed to find someone who talks about me with the same passion you have for your ebike
Happy subscriber and especially for reviews like this. I'm 70 and got the Rad Rover 6 Plus Step Through to help me recover from cancer surgery. I added the large basket on the back so the total weight is about 90 lbs. It is a beast but I love it and your in depth reviews led me to this choice. Thanks.
I got the Himiway Cruiser over a year ago and it's my first ebike but it came with everything I need to be mobile around town without a license, gas and car insurance.
I loaded up the rear with a trunk & pannier bags and do grocery shopping & deliver orders to the post office from my small business.
IDK if it was the best choice but the speed and acceleration make things feel a lot safer when I can get past busy roads as fast as possible
Hey! What a thorough video. Thanks! Just thought I'd mention something which I was specifically looking for: adherence during rainy days. Thin tires really worry me during rainy days since it's much easier to lose grip than on cars or even motorbikes... I also think there is rarely any kind of braking assist on e-bikes, which motorbikes always have. I think fat tires might be really advantageous in this regard, and even the increased bike weight! Correct me if I'm wrong! Cheers
In a small to mid size city like Madison Wisconsin with many hills at various inclines, as well as winter and terrible roads, my new haro skwad was the correct choice. It's a much smoother ride and while the mileage isn't great, it's more than sufficient. The extra torque and comfortablility on this bike and of course, the fat 4" tires, makes this ride much better than the other ebikes I've had the privilege to ride in the same locations. Admittedly, the extreme torque at lights and stop signs allows me to feel safe and comfortable on roads during rush hour because I don't fall behind traffic whatsoever and have complete control. The control and agility during these times because of the 4" fat tires makes this bike extra special. I also want to mention that the agility and control on heavier fat tire bikes comes from quicker initial speeds as well as speeds over 15mph. Agility and control.
Fat tires aren't for everyone or all environments. I'd recommend torque for hilly locations and cities, I'd recommend fat tires for anything other than long-distance competitions. A few years from now, battery power, range, and weight of bikes shouldn't be an issue, so ride what you enjoy, get comfy, and wait for the ebike revolution you already prepared for. It's coming.
Lastly, the mostly objective or "true" points you made about "fat tire" bikes are also mostly irrelevant and these issues are subjective ones based on many other factors, some I listed already.
the mopeds that do not have a adjustable seat are a no go for anybody over 5'4''!! he did a review on euy moped--he is tall and never mentioned that for a tall dude(me) that is hard to pedal--if you set back on the seat it wants to wheelie if you hit the gas--i hate the damn bike if i want to pedal
So, im sort of in the same situation. I live in rural West Virginia and I'd be riding on grass shoulders, atv trails, or if no other choice, the white shoulder line on pot holed or haphazardly patched pavement.
Presently looking to get one of the Hurley bikes as my work gives an extra discount on them and have been looking at the big swell 2 or swell 4U model as they're included in the promotion. I'm just not sure what would be a good choice for what amounts to about a 20 mile round trip over rough road and dirt, mud, snow with a few moderate hills in the mix, certainly at least one hill maybe twice as steep as that parking garage ramp test he's showing here.
@@dethray1000 That is a good point. I'm a 5'3" male. The bike either fits or it doesn't.
I’ve had an electric bike I bought 7 years ago, and the weight of the bike with the battery plus my range was less than 20miles wasn’t what I wanted so I sold it.Starting to look around again, but I’m 63 years old,and I do appreciate the excersize get from my Mongoose Rockadile. Thanks for the informative video,Tim from Southern Oregon😊 PS. Be safe out there!
I see your points, and would still take the comfort of the tire size any day. Aventon's Aventure is actually balanced much more considerately of the added drag/resistance, and with decent hip strength it can be made to maneuver as one would expect and want it to. However, the tire pressure is something of a touch-and-go affair vs. other cycling modes, as you'll want less pressure off of the pavement to preserve trails and increase grip on iffy terrain. It also looks mean, and my bike always receives compliments where I stop.
thanks for watching
Great response.
I just got my Aventon Aventure. I absolutely love it! Unfortunately I have to store it in my second floor apartment so nobody steals it, so getting it back up the stairs is honestly harder than riding it.
@@lukemeissner1741the 2.0? Or 1
@@lukemeissner1741Well, thats just more excersise, but I hope it doesn't keep you from riding. 😊
I've had my Aventure fat tire about a year now. Love it. No maintenance issues. SMooth powerful ride. I unlocked mine to get 30 mph speed. Hills don't exist unless I'm feeling masochistic for some reason. They are heavy as hell, so riding without motor assist is a dirge. If you want "exercise" you can get it by pedaling yourself, but it's not enjoyable like a lightweight geared bike. Definitely replace the seat column with a piston-style for 40 or 50 bucks and a more padded seat - WELL WORTH IT for the comfort. You can take the fat tires through just about anything - mud, sand, snow, gravel, potholes, over curbs, up grass hills, through neighbors flower beds - they're awesome.
Neighbors flower beds 😂
how did you unlock it
One thing that seems to only exist on fat tire ebikes for some reson that I really want to see more is a step through design. It just opens up more usable scenarios where you can use it
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I have a step thru fat tyred folding e bike with a 24ah battery and I am in the UK.
step thru frame is very common, it's known as a women's frame for most bicycle types
Those were referred to as womens' frames when I was growing up. Now they are old-guy frames. I like my RadRover step-through frame. I hated throwing a leg over the bike to mount a tall, heavy bike. In fact, the throttle is a nice boost in speed when you are trying to mount the bike, or start from a complete stop in any case.
Great video with honest insight and experience! Thank you!
I opted for a non-fat tire bike mainly for better agility, less attention getting, and no issues fitting in bike racks for parking when required. Have a 1000W motor with lots of power, so no issues there.
Many good points here. For my second bike I somewhat reluctantly went with another fat tire bike. Virtually every value priced bike meeting your other criteria has fat tires. It’s probably become a marketing issue because it reminds many people of motorcycles and they’ll look cool.
I went with the Kepler. Fast, excellent torque, Bafang hub motor. Is it perfect for everybody? No, but what is? My other comment is sort of obvious-the more you pedal the greater the range. Most bike monitors show you the watts you’re using as you go. Sort of the equivalent of mph.
I've run a rad city 3 step thru for 4 years with 26x2.3 inch tires with the red foam tire armor, modified front suspension (air instead of spring) zoom hydronic disk brakes, sr suntour suspension seat post and some other mods. The 750watt direct drive motor offers acceptable performance in most flat areas but with incredible efficiency. Even with my old battery I get 60 miles to a charger on eco mode. It's a super comfy ride and we'll performing. Running strong after 4 years and 12,000 miles
I bought a used 26 inch mt bike from around 2003 and put a brand new air fork on it and a 750 watt mid drive kit and its freaking crazy cool. I got about $1800 total in it. I had a fat tire 750 watt bike it it was cool but I prefer the mt bike set up better. I also have a step through frame with a little smaller motor rear hub its cool and great for the wife but again, the conversion mt bike is the way to go for me.
Thanks big guy!! I have been looking at the different models available and now because you have gone into details I didn't realize were would be issues for me specifically, I can weed out a lot of the models. Keep up the awesome content and I can't wait to check out more on your channel because this review got me to subscribe. Stay safe, healthy and as happy as you possibly can be.
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When I was young, living with my parents, I had a thin tyred street bike. Then we moved to a semi rural house on 20 acres with a gravel road. I got about 2 feet past the front gate whereas the tires sunk straight into the gravel - the end of my bike days.
The only answer I could see was fat tires, however fitting them to my street bike was not on, it would require so much work that it was ridiculous.
Nice to see the downsides of them, I didn't think there were many, as they seem so popular.
the answer is GRAVEL bike.
Why not get both and weld them together and make an e-bike battleship?
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😂
Do it!
This Comment Rocks!!❤ lol.. too funny..❤❤❤❤. Love it!!😅
Slap a few 29ers on it for more sail area... might as well bring the whole fleet. 😅
Some good points made here. I have a fat tire bike. The biggest improvement I have made is to get rid of the knobbies (I do not ride sand or very loose dirt) and put on some Origin 8 Supercell tires. Incredible change! Now there is NO whiney tire noise and the ride is much much smoother. I can still ride dirt trails, grass, light sandy stuff and do not need some kind of offroad grippy knobbies.
The best thing about fat tires though is how comfortable and plush the ride is. I run about 15lb and it just cushy and plush. Awesome.
{{3}}I completely agree! Removing the knobby tires and choosing tires like the Origin 8 Supercell ones can make a huge difference in the ride experience. It's great to hear that you've noticed a smoother and quieter ride. And I absolutely love the comfort and plushness that fat tires offer too. By the way, speaking of e-bikes, I just stumbled upon a fascinating project called freebeat Morph 2-in-1 e-Bike. It's a revolutionary e-bike that can be charged while you're using it in indoor mode. How cool is that? Can't wait to see it in action and experience the seamless blend of fitness and technology it offers!
@@StellaHulliet This kind of reads like AI response with included AD.
@@mkovis8587well it worked, I looked at the product. Got to be the stupidest idea yet. If you wanted a work out to charge your bike, why not just ride a normal one and save the hassle. They will sell about 50 of these.
I much prefer the traction of knobbies but I don't ride on hard surfaces much. I'd hate trying to ride offroad with street tires.
I think it depends on the kind of beach you intend to ride on. I took my Segway ninebot max scooter to the central Oregon coast last weekend. It was amazing on the sand. This beach had a very gradual slope, almost flat. The hard pack surf sand extended a good 50 ft up from the surf. Even with 10x2.5" tires, it just glided over the sand with ease. Barely left a mark behind me. The cold headwinds were the only downside.
It's so refreshing to hear about your honesty about the pitfalls of fat tire e-bikes. Not everyone is clued up!
I once rode a fatbike alone for the last kilometer because the battery was dead, with a trailer and a total weight of about 45-50 kg and my 65 kg. Through the woods and on the road, it was disgusting.
But when both batteries work, both 48v 18 ah, they are enough for about 100 km and drive quite with a smile.
In central Canada our roads are really, really bad
So if your bike tires are not relatively fat and run at low pressure, you will get your nads rattled
And sometimes your rims will suffer terminal impact damage
A carbon fiber fatty is a good compromise
You also helped understand better whether or not i need fat tires. Not.
You saved me some serious money with this 1 tip, explanation.
Thank you.
I'll send my friends here to this video for an introduction. I love my Ebikes, I watch Matt, both on TailHappyTV and Juiced Joyrides and it's great fun to see the new bikes and scooters coming out. I own 3 Ebikes and I've been shopping Matt's reviews for a 4th. I'm looking at folding cargo bikes I can put in the canoe for a low cost (and fun!) shuttle vehicle. Thanks for posting all the great reviews Matt!
I agree with you about the brakes both with type and disk diameter.
Though, knobby tires and low tire pressure will likely slow you down and lessen your range than the width of the tire, which might slightly affect air resistance. The tire diameter might also affect range more than width. It takes a lot of power to make a little low-pitched noise. The noise one hears from the knobby tires--is your battery energy being turned in heat--that makes the tires wear faster.
Part of the reason why they put fat tires on large motor'ed bikes likely has a lot to do with the additional battery weight. If you put a say, a 20-30lbs battery on a skinny tire'ed bike with no suspension and short spokes from the implementation of a hub motor, you will more likely break spokes than a fat tire'ed bike. When you hit a bump, the energy has to go somewhere. If it can't lift the bike, bend the tire or the spokes, herniate your back and neck, then it might break a spokes.
Though, if you had dual suspension, you could run a more skinny tire with a heavy battery with fewer problems. The lingering detail is: now you have a faster, heavier bike with a small tire contact patch, so it might be best to slow down for the corners, and now braking distance is an issue because of the weight. In a velodrome, suspension doesn't make sense for bikes, but the real world has pot holes, speed bumps, and curbs. Also, chronically compressed cartilage doesn't really get better as one ages. Sometimes it rains, and I would rather have a fat tired bike than a skinny one when someone makes a left-hand turn in front of me.
I have once had a snakebite (rim contact pinch-flat) on a street tire. I should think that they come up more in skinny tired ebikes. Though out in CA, it's glass, nails, and even goathead's (twin thorned seeds), on the street.
Because there are tradeoffs, it's easier to make a skinny tire handle high pressures. Something like 26" Maxis Hookworm can handle 60lbs of pressure. I don't see that happening to a 4" tire, any time soon.
If you have a lot of riders who ride at the beach, perhaps you could make a video on how to safely clean the salt from the bikes without damaging them. On the cheap, something like fluid-film can be dabbed on screw heads and sprayed on derailleurs to keep them from rusting, which looks really bad. There are other brands of rust-preventative. Personally, I've been testing it on a lock that's been outside for year so far. I really wish all bike fasteners were stainless steel. Oddly, I have seen a pro bike mechanic use...wax on the screw threads. Anti-seize might be save for some screws. In other places thread-lock might be safer. Ebike wiring should be protected from salt spray. Such protection in ebikes never seems adequate. Diaelectric grease might help protect connectors, as long as it plays well with the plastic in the connectors. Water intrusion will ruin even a Bosch mid-drive. There are videos on how to rebuild them.
Replacement parts are an issue for most ebikes. We need an all-American ebike company.
I was an avid saltwater boater when I discovered "Corrosion-X". It comes in several viscosities, is 100% safe for electronics, restores flooded electronic gear, stays put and stops rust better than anything I've seen before or since.
No, I have no interest. I wish I did.
I love my 26" Fat Ike. They are more cumbersome. Especially after mounting 3 batteries, but I'm used to the turn radius and extra inertia.
For me, the commute forced me to choose a narrower tire for greater speed with less effort. Having a fat tire e-bike gives me the versatility of a MTB with the added benefit of powered drive. I just did 60 miles on a 14AH battery with a mix of pedaling, pedal assist and pure throttle. My Wallke X3 Pro is a blast and makes short work of hills and any kind of terrain. It also turns heads anywhere I go. I don't recommend taking any kind of bike into soft sand.
As someone with an inner ear condition that's pretty much destroyed my sense of balance, and some damaged nerves in my back that shows up as chronic lower body pain, I'm a bit confused why RUclips would add this video to my suggested viewing page........... I'm glad it did though. It was interesting to watch, and I enjoyed the presentation style. :)
Ive been riding a 21' Specialized Turbo Vado SL for 2 years and its their lightest ebike at 33 lbs , its a blast to ride and you can pedal it anywhere even with no assist at all because its so light
7k?
@@Odonata2024 my Turbo Vado SL 4.0 was 3500 bucks on sale
'21 vs 21' . 21' is 21 feet.
Rigid bike are no fun. No wonder it's light weight.
@@vashon100 LoL 😂
Good review of the concept. The specter of a flat tire and fact that I don't ride on sand deters me from them.
One thing not mentioned is bike racks. Those 4" tires are not going to fit on my bike Rack and I don't think they will the City bus rack. But then I haven't tried it, as I haven't bought an E-bike yet. I may just wait for thinner tires
I actually appreciate my fat tire. I have taken it on dirt walking trails, and my wife's normal-width tires struggled in some of the softer parts of the trail.
true. my FitNord Rumble 500 eats dirt trails like cake. also it's pretty good rock climber
I did start to wonder why I started seeing these everywhere on the streets; seven years ago I'd only see a fat tire bike like, once every few months. I immediately understood that these would be great for keeping grip in off-road biking; but also that they'd be heavier, the increased contact with the ground would increase friction, and as a result would require more effort to pedal. This video mostly confirms the same, but now I also understand that they can be more comfortable to ride.
Now that we have electric bikes, the downsides (additional effort compared to thinner tires) are mitigated for most casual purposes; they don't get as good mileage, but most people aren't going for high mileage and so can enjoy the comfort. I will say that any benefits that have to do with torque/battery capacity aren't a benefit related to the fat tires; they're obviously related to the motor and battery, and any thin tire bike with the same motor/battery will perform better in climbing and battery life.
I personally won't be using a fat tire bike anytime soon; for one, I just got my first new bike (my first electric) in 7 years and I have no intention of getting another one for another 10. I also more heavily prioritize efficiency over comfort; not to say that I live a spartan life, but I'm use to the comfort level of thin tire bikes and have no desire to sacrifice performance for comfort. And finally, I don't really like the aesthetic of a fat tire bike. No shade on those who use them; it's not like I'm judging you based on your bike preference. I just personally prefer the look of thin tires with large diameters.
Not really of benefit off-road, quite the opposite they cost so much in weight and nimbleness that you just end up taking the path they keep you from correcting as well, without much traction difference unless you are on a very soft surface like sand, where you want the tire to float over it instead of using traction to ride through it. There would be a benefit in mud as well but a more aggressive tread is needed for that.
What a well-informed and unbiased guide that was. Subbed.
I bought a Lankeleisi MG740 Plus last summer F+R 1000w each.
After cycling for more than 40 years then being attacked and disabled 6 years ago, then falling off an eScooter and braking a hip. I had to upgrade to a fat-bike. I haven't looked back.
As a disability aid, it helps to know I can go anywhere, as I have 2 x 20ah 48v batteries and so a comfortable range of 70-100 miles.
The inertia of a fat-bike is definately a factor (mine being nearly 90 pounds), but it is manageable with 180mm discs, fluid brakes and a little lower air pressure in the rear. Beware the trivial kickstand doesn't give way and crush a child or puppy. Also the weight can topple the rider and brake a hip (don't ask how I know).
Most fat-bikes have the aerodynamics of a bulldozer, so not ideal for touring, mine is no exception.
Even so, the benfits of a bike that was able to get me to the shops but also climb any hill in 50 miles meant that a fat-bike was for me. Also it was a rare treat to be able to get to the beach and use the dual motors to waft along the soft sand, throttle only, with a cold beer in the spare hand.
My MG740 does have issues, the slight throttle-delay and the fact that I can't yet pedal, means I have to coast when cornering or at least not expect acceleration to keep me upright. Also the cheap shocks rust in a wet climate (mine in the UK, are spotty already)
I have done 3000 miles in 8 months. I've gone from couch-bound to being able to explore beaches & quarries. I probably wouldn't be here without my trusty steed. There's nothing special about it, yet to me it was both cheap and priceless.
Great advice!! I also agree, make sure you have good brakes!
Thanks dude, hydraulic for the win 💪
Wow. Thanks for the review. Still trying to choose an E-bike. This helps a lot.
I've got over 24,000 mi on my bikes since 2018. I'm 60 years old
Juiced Bikes... Bought six of them
You can thank me in another life
@@SirWrecksy whoa, these are really neat bikes.
@@SirWrecksy I'm 59! Peace old man! See ya on the other side! ;)
I built my own ebike using a Walmart mountain bike for $120 and parts from ebay. Didn't change anything but added a rack to hold controller and battery. Cost around $600 total and it runs great, I get about 25 miles a charge and tops out at 35 mph with a 1500 watt wheel. Did this for my son also on a 20" park edition BMX from Tony hawk. He gets about the same speed, but if your not careful it can throw you off easily on take off. Also got new brake handles with cut off and throttle. His cost a little less cause I already had the bike (which cost $50 at a yard sale). We ride whenever we can and have gotten great enjoyment out of them for about 2 years now. Peace
Great breakdown. I was worried you were just going to bash, bu you played it very fair. I’m in Sa Diego and am older so fat tire means comfort and I don’t have to fear the soft sand. Only one downside is I wish they made a cafe (Amsterdam) style wheel lock that fit fat tires! I use them on my wife’s bike and they are THE way to go for short little “lock it while you duck into 7-11 for a quickie” or bathroom break. Yes, I know that lock style isn’t as good as some, but if my bike weighs 75# I’m not too worried about someone carrying it away anyway and the convenience of a circle lock that you can literally lock in 3 seconds with a flick and yank the key out and walk away makes it 20x better than the lock you don’t use because you don’t want to hassle with it because you gotta pee (for example).
Fat tire fans need to tell Abus and other lock companies to make a fat tire circle wheel lock. Spread the word.
Great video
I ride my Rad Expand 5 off road all the time, I enjoy going slow so I don't need more than 750W.
My fat tires are the most useful when commuting in the snow or when I'm on a street that's under construction, which is pretty much every street in my city at all times.
If you ride through a lot of sand which is basically all of Florida a fat tire is the only option you should consider. Also that’s all I see on trails in Florida, a lot different than Cali.
I live in minnesota and the main nice thing about fat tire bikes, it can run through snow real easy. It’s one of the best ways to have a year round transportation option. Yeah, a mountain bike can get through, but there’s nothin like ripping through several inches of snow on what is essentially a tank.
I recently got a fat bike on sale, about $1150 US and it is pretty smooth shifting and accellerating. As the video says it weighs over 60 lbs. and feels pretty sketchy on a moderately technical trail, but it can be done. Since a Turbo Levo is $8000, for someone who wants to ride easier trails through the woods, for fun and a bit of exercise, or to work on sunny days this is a very viable option. It came with a defective battery but the company looked after me quickly and I can get over 30 miles on a charge pedalling steadily but not working too hard. I was disapointed the fat tires didn't get me through snow any better than my 2.6 mountain bike does, (it's acoustic). But less air and a more aggressive tread could help.
Please consider the merits of using them on dirt roads or the difficulty transporting them on bike racks. The fat tire bikes are appealing when dealing with course gravel roads in low density population areas, but range is a serious issue. Thanks for the video! It is helpful.
Yeah the tires are so fat they won't fit in the bus bike rack. That's a damn good point!
The cost of a reliable rack capable of handling a heavy fat bike should be a consideration. An 80 lb. bike needs a sturdy rack and I'd recommend one that has a ramp option. You can pull off the battery to help a bit with loading, but it's still a lot to lift.
Harbor Freight has a motorcycle rack with a ramp and it’s cheap. Could be made to work for a heavy ebike.
yall buying ebikes and putting them on busses? jeez@@johnsheetz6639
Good info, but for me, I am 64, I like the fat tires and heavy bikes. I am not going to mountain bike but I will do trails. I love these bikes, my knees are not what they used to be and having the electric assist is awesome.
Glad they’re working for you, you’re an inspiration, keep riding 😊
I live in Michigan and my Ebikes are my only transportation. I own several non motorized bikes and they just don't cut it in 4" of snow.
My Himiway Cruiser has 3674 miles on it and I can't imagine trying to commute all those miles on standard tires. The Fat ties are a must for me.
For recreational use it's not ideal. They handle like a tractor on a mountain bike trail compared to my Schwinn S30., so I would say it really depends on what your needs are.
My Himiway Cruiser gets 35 miles on a charge. My Nakto F2 claims the same range yet even with a smaller motor it gets about 18 miles on a charge.
I completely agree with your opinion of fat bike tires. I have several e-bikes and none were purchased with fat tires after having tried one with 4x26 tires.
Love your reviesws!
Well Said! They are a pain to transport in any car rack as well.
Good point! I forgot about that one 😆
On the other hand, I am happy with my Lectric Premium in my small pickup (Toyota 2WD). Easy and secure to transport in the bed (with cap) in a Tote, folded. I take it everywhere to ride, with enough room for a second equally sized eBike, plus baggage. Oh, and the cap gives me room to hold a solar panel(s) to charge my portable 1000 watt liPO4 battery generator, which charges BOTH of my EBike batteries as I travel, or just sitting in my driveway.
So true. I am having to add a hitch to my car. An added expense I didn't consider when I bought the bike.
I rode a fat tire bike once. It made me get rid of my regular bike and I now have a fat tire bike of a very trusted brand. It is far superior to any traditional bike I’ve ever ridden in comfort, stability and power. I'll never own a skinny tire bike again!
You sound like me
Fat bike for life!
Very true, I’ve never seen one of these things on an actual mountain bike trail, only paved ones.
I think there’s an assumption by non-bike people that it’s going to be like a dirt bike, but it’s really just a really heavy fat tire bike.
Starting my 2nd summer with a Doheny EZ folding fat tire bike. 750W motor, 48v/15Ah battery, fenders, hydraulic brakes w/motor cutoff, integrated head & tail lights, spring loaded luggage rack, front suspension. A little heavy, but overall a solid buy.
Caveat: I initially bought the twist throttle for the cool factor, but have noticed that squeezing the right brake inadvertantly moves the twist throttle - two conflicting interests. Buy the push-level throttle.
This was actually a pretty good video. I feel like you might have under-emphasized rolling resistance as a factor, but otherwise it felt very informative. Your real world numbers were especially welcome. I've been wanting to mid-drive my bike for a while now, and this added motivation.
My wife bought me an ev Fat bike for Christmas. I kept my Kestrel Talon full carbon road bike. I have to say, the Fat bikes are great all terrain vehicles but not for everyone. I also use my Fat bike to do HIIT. To do this, just don't use the battery assist. Ever tried peddling a 70lb bike without assist? It's a workout. The only other advantage of those big tires is that they cushion the ride substantially.
😆 nice, pedaling them without battery is a serious workout. Tires are great cushion when you drop the psi!
70 pund bike and no electric assist? thats what moms do in europe, every day, big boy
I haven't owned a car in ten years. I'm 64 and do about 7,000 miles a year on my fat tire bike. In the winter in Denver its so nice to have that extra tread in the snow and ice I make it in when cars don't.
Great video. I rode MTB before E bikes were even a thing. Always wished for better flotation on the off road portion of my rides. Then I saw some Fat tire riders out on trails when I was snowshoeing and I was in awe that you could ride a bike in the snow!. Just ordered my first fat tire ebike (cheap) and looking so forward to riding again
Lucky we mostly see smaller tires, These fat ones make too much noise. With in our country (netherlands) now more electric bikes than normal ones and most will go for road aimed tires max 2.4" Good compromise. popular here i mid drive, 2.4" and good breaks.
Its quite simple to loose 5-10 pounds off them, yes it requires more money and investing in lighter parts but being Canadian fat bikes are a must have in the arsenal for snow. I do love all the reviews, keep up the amazing content.
Apparently Canadian snow is different from Scandinavian snow - because they seem to get around quite competently without the need for these bloated monstrosities.
"Lose"
@@47f0 They have maintained bike paths in Scandinavia. Hardly any in Canada. So it isn't the snow but how deep it is and ya....a regular Mt bike tire just sinks into the snow where as a fat tire stays afloat of the snow.
@blair mccallum - Snow would certainly explain the dominance of fat-tired bikes in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Dallas and Atlanta.
I have cycled extensively for over half a century in a fairly wide range of geography and climate conditions. The dominance of fat-tired bikes is overwhelmingly a North American phenomenon - a two-wheeled symptom of the North American SUV disease.
@@47f0 Each of those places rarely get snow LA, Phoenix, Dallas and Atlanta so not sure where youd come up with that logic?? Making your second paragraph invalid, and not believable that youve traveled "fairly wide range of geography and climate conditions."
Fat bikes are literally every where has nothing to do with snow. You clerarly dont know how big they are across Asia again leading me to believe you havent travelled anywhere and then stretching it to somehow relate to your so called idea of an
"suv disease", I think you have the disease possibly called brain rot cause your full of shit.
Thank you for this video.
I deliver things for a living, and have been using a 700c gasoline Motorized-Bicycle. I have a normal full-suspension fatbike just waiting. I got it last winter for deep snow, planning to convert it to a dual motor e-bike.
The problem is, I am in flux.
I love the agility of my 700c bike, and I avoided many collisions because of that. But I also, twice now, had to dive to the sidewalk, hitting the curb, to avoid a dumbass who suddenly turned in front of me.
Even without the e-bike stuff on it yet, the fatbike is sofa-king heavy & sluggish but those fat tires will protect the hub motors, the rims, me, and my cargo from curbs and the very bad roads of NYC.
Once again, the government's incompetence at maintaining the roads, have killed something I enjoyed, and made me adapt to something else. I loved Sportbike & Sport-Touring motorcycles, but the roads is what got me into Dirtbikes, Dual-Sports, Adventure motorcycles, and off roading.
Now the same thing is happening with bicycles.
My 700c makes me so happy, but I am always stressed out, frustrated, on edge and in pain, everytime the road isn't smooth. My solution was a full-suspension 29er e-bike, with road bike tires, but now I am not so sure.
The efficiency & agility of 700c is so great, and I found 40 & 50kph rated e-bike tires. But the fatbike was so comfortable once it got going, but I haven't found fast bicycle or motorcycle tires for my fatbike. Should I just abandon both and save for an offroad, long suspension motorcycle that will fit in my apartment & elevator? I have so much to think about.
I forgot to mention fatbikes really become the better option, the worse the terrain becomes, be it mud, snow, or garbage roads, like an All Wheel Drive car has worse weight and energy consumption then 2 wheel drive cars, but AWD shines and remains consistent the worse the road gets. There's an Audi documentary called The Unfair Advantage that shows that.
Fatbikes are like that, they're a burden when the ground is nice, but magical when the ground seems impossible.
Another factor in the plus column is if you intend to ride with snow on the ground. I live in Alaska and pretty much need a fat bike in the winter. I do ride a full suspension bike with studded 2.25" tires but that doesn't do me any good on snow days. Appreciate the work and videos you do, thank you.
are fat bikes good on snow out the box or did you need to change the tires? i live somewhere where it snows and im still in the process of researching what to buy and I haven't really been able to find enough info on biking in the snow to make an informed decision.
skinny tyres are in fact better in snow, they cut right to the ground
like how your bmw is stuck but that old dudes vw is driving like its sunny
nobody in real life rides fatbikes on snow to actually get places@@euquariate
@@euquariatesorry it’s been awhile. Generally speaking you can air down your 4” wide knobby tires and get around in the snow/sand fairly well. If you’re dealing with ice and hard pack, you’ll want to look into tires with metal studs. My tires have a 30psi rating but I run them with about 6-8psi in the winter. If you go with a tubeless wheel setup, you can air down even more to like 4psi. High end bikes can sometimes accommodate even wider tires up to 5”. 45NRTH makes great winter tires.
@@ohhi5237You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Comparing BMWs to bicycles lol.
I think they are especially designed for the American market where riders tend to be a little on the large side. (putting it as delicately as possible) 😊 Having said that, this is a great explainations of all the pros and cons that go with fat tyre ebikes. Some of them weigh almost as much as a moped. And why would you need suspension forks when you have that much rubber on the wheels?
In the EU only E bikes up to 250w without are considered as normal bicycles. Driving those with fat tires pretty much has no positives, since they just don't get the power.
All others are either illegal or are considered as a motorbike and need license plate, the corresponding driver's licence, helmet and insurance. So pretty much nobody drives them here.
@@biglevian Thanks! UK and Australia are considered the same. Over here I've seen them in the stores, but none on the roads.
@@biglevian Not exactly true when talking about Holland for example. Plenty of fat bikes are being used here.
I have owned the Aostirmotor A20 foldable ebike for a little over 2 years now and its been amazing. Cant speak for other A20 riders tho. I live in a sailboat on the east coast. This bike folds nicely into the dinghy and stores in my cockpit. It has absolutely been a blessing. Fat tire bikes ride well and because mine doesn’t have shocks the fat tires act as shocks. I ride over steep bridges, worn out wooden docks and piers. All kinds of terrain including sand where its really good at. My ebike is essential to my traveling because it is my “car”. They’re extremely fun to ride so quit ragging on them because they aren’t efficient enough for you.
Similar situation,I have as Houseboat that my folding fat tyre lives on
Back in the early 1980s, I was given my Dad's old 1970 Schwinn Suburban, a heavy, sturdy diamond frame ten-speed safety bike sporting 45 pounds of Chicago steel on 27" x 1 1/4" nylon cord gum wall tires. The tires were very narrow with hardly any tread, but the bike was very maneuverable and allowed for acute angle leans to steer. I tried riding a wide tire mountain bike with knobby tires (not nearly as fat and knobby as these modern e-bikes) and I hated how the mountain bike dug in and slid when I naturally leaned into turns.
I thought my old steel Schwinn was heavy at 45 lbs where others had featherweight road bikes and racers that only weighed a dozen pounds or so. Modern carbon fiber ultra-lightweights can weigh less than 4 kg (8.8 lbs)! But 75 pounds for a fat tire electric bike?!? Umph!
I absolutely LOVE my fat tire e-bike. The ride is worth the weight. It’s my only form of transportation.
one thing you left out was cost of tires, i found my fat tire bike tires to be double the cost of the old thinner ones, some tires are $90+!
You can buy steel studded tires for $300.
But yes I hear totally hear what you're saying. The bargain tire is about 50 bucks.
Well you got me thinking... I converted my old Cannondale M500 to a mid-drive electric with a Bafang BBSHD kit about 3 years ago and at the time I bought the biggest battery they had. The bike originally weighed 28 lbs and after conversion it was just under 50. Now, after 3 years of use I've found it wonderful for getting up into the mountains but I have never come close to being worried about the range. So I'm thinking I may have been better off with a battery about half the capacity and half the weight. FYI: the battery I got is half the weight of the kit.
Worst thing you could do.
BBSHD + good quality fat bike = ultimate fun & versatile machine. I have built set of 27.5 x 3.0 wheels for commuting. Happy e fat biking to you.
Great decision making guidance depending on individual needs and preferences. Thank u!!!!
Thanks for watching
Interesting POV on fat tire ebikes. I have a couple of ebikes and a few more in the works. One is a fat tire lower end bike with 4" knobbies, fenders, front suspension, 750W sustained hub motor, hydraulic discs and a 48V 15Ah battery. All-in it weighs 73#. The lighter ebike I have weighs 35#, has a 350W hub motor, sub-inch tires on 700C wheels, rigid forks, no suspension and a 36V 7Ah battery. My riding style is gentle on boost (never throttle, low PAS 1-2 other than on the largest grades), big on effort (I easily exceed the manufacturers' rated range on any of my bikes - example Aventon rates the Aventure at ~45 miles, but I generally get ~75 miles per charge in mixed terrain and elevation riding) and If I am going to be covering over 50 miles+ of mixed terrain - hills, pavement, graded dirt, etc. - such as I do when I travel from the valley I live in (Napa) over to visit friends or hike in the adjacent valley (Sonoma), and then back again, the larger the tires, compliance of the suspension and power of the motor (mainly in torque terms) makes the brawnier bikes (the ones with fatter tires, suspensions and larger motors) much, much more pleasant options.
On the other hand, if I am headed down to the Oxbow (covered farmer's market) to snag a coffee or a quick bite, or to meet friends in town for dinner in downtown, I grab the Roadster V2 for the reasons you state - more maneuverable, easier to carry to a lock-up location, stealthy and doesn't really look like an ebike. I'm in the process of adding 2 more bikes, mainly for (1) using a bike rather than a car for weekly grocery shopping and (2) to have a couple of extra, comfortable bikes for visitors to use for touring/wine tasting. Both will have fattish tires, but probably not knobbies if I can find what I want. My criteria on eBike bike buying are: $2k or less, direct-to-consumer business model, larger batteries and torquier motors are preferable, company must have some track record and a lot of units in the field. I am looking at Lectric's new 2-battery cargo bike (20" wheels, rigid forks, low center of gravity, 4" smooth tires, beefy frame with integrated rear rack, dual batteries, stated 150 mile PAS 1 range per charge, 750W/85nm rear hub motor, as one of the two, but am on the fence on the other. I'd like something with larger width (3-4"), smooth tires, 55+ mile mfr. stated range, front suspension, load handling capable (wine bottles are pretty heavy in larger quantities), and a step through frame for smaller rider versatility. Any suggestions from among the bikes you've reviewed?
I bought a fat tire ebike and I've tried thin tire ebikes from friends. The biggest difference I noticed was the fat tire ebikes are generally way smoother, like way smoother feeling. But thin tire ebikes generally feel flimsy and cheap. However my next ebike will likely be a thin tire ebike since I have to carry mine up and down the stairs every day, also I can buy child tires for like $20 each instead of having to spend $80 per tire. I have the DJ folding ebike and it's been amazing so far (1600+ km). I'll probably build my next one.
I did the same the opposite way around where my friend has a fat tire bike and mines a thin one and the stability from the fat tire ones is nice but you can really feel the rolling resistance
Its like if you want a smooth ride with 2,3" tires you have to buy a $5000 full suspension mountain bike. the fat tires make it so you don't need actually good mountain bike suspension. if you mainly use the bike for commuting and cruizing the fat tire bikes are perfect when you can get them at around $2000 with way higher power then a mountain bike.
Well that’s just great. Obviously you live near the beach. With flat bike trails. You don’t need a fat tire bike. For those of us living in cold climates with lots of varied terrain and hills, snow, mud, gravel, etc.,
Light weight skinny tire bikes just won’t cut it.
Good video, and you make valid points. But you should have said the most important reason why a fat tire e-bike is the way to go.... And that is they are way safer while cruising at high speeds, let's say 25 mph+. Not only are those 4" tires wider, but they're taller too, so the overall diameter of the wheels is bigger and the bike's wheelbase is longer. Those things give you way more grip and stability when flying across bumps, potholes and loose gravel. I feel much more confident and much less likely to wipe out compared to my ebike with 27.5" x 2.25" tires.
And a second point worth mentioning is that a compromise could be made, sort of a happy medium. Maybe an e-bike with a 3" wide tire on a 26" or 27.5" narrower rim would still offer most of the safety benefits when speeding fast, as well as some weight savings and handling improvement over the wider option.
Bought one precisely because of the upsides you mentioned. Can pull more weight, can go trough basically any terrain, goes well uphill (which is very important in my area) and it has very decent range despite it's high weight.
But I do live in a relatively small, mainly farming town of 20k people. We've got a lot of dirt roads and canals here. I am planning to move into larger city due to work and well...despite all the love. I do think about selling my fat tire e-bike simply because I can't imagine using it in the city effectively enough to justify keeping it.
I bought an EMMO EWILD 2 Fat Tire bike. She’s definitely heavy at 100lbs. I gave it a tough test the first day I had it. I’m 280lbs. I loaded 40lbs of groceries on the cargo rack. From 0km/h I pressed the throttle and with all that weight I accelerated up a snow & slush covered 20°incline for about 100m at 28km/h. I remain impressed.
Bullshit
Wow! Very impressive
If most people with those big battery fat tire bikes would lose 25 lbs then it a mute point. My bike can go the claimed 75-80 miles. It's average around 12 mph on flat ground. It goes about 25 miles at over 30 mph on flat ground. 👍 52V 20 ah Ariel Rider Kepler, with 1,000 watt nominal rear hub.
Which bike did you buy and where?
@@AdaAdaAdanna mine is a Kepler from Ariel Rider . shipped direct from western USA at no charge extra.
Yes ,,,but it's all bout the speed 🚅
How long have u had it
@@aaronlobato5038 September 😎✌
My driveway is about 20% grade and that’s how I test my ebikes. Thanks for this testing.
Rode one once and l can definitely relate to the fun factor. But l keep thinking that after the thill is gone aren’t a lot of the benefits of ebikes offset by the extra weight, which kind of puts one back to square one again. Plus with a regular bike one never has to sweat lifting a ebike, battery charging, batteries going dead, ride planning ,shorter rides, and maybe health benefits if one is inclined to use a lot of electric assist. Obviously they do make sense for many, for many others maybe not so much.
A fat tire bike without suspension can be lighter than a regular tire bike with suspension. The 20 inch fat tires keep the bike from being too humongous and still provide the cushy ride and good traction.
True, I’ve noticed a big difference between 20 vs 26 inch tall wheels
@@TailHappyTV Howdy, cheers!
Thanks for the truth brother!!! 😉✌
Thanks for watching 🤙
I appreciate the info, I got a 750 watt ebike, the manufacturer say 52 miles, I don't belive it. I'm going to buy another a battery as a back up. It had made me want to explore where I live. Even getting food instead of driving there
Thanks for great info,I have an early I Zip e bike ,motor in the crank regular mt. bike tires ,only has 350 watt motor but I tear up the trails much better than my ridway big tire bike ,I did a wipeout on a board walk that was wet ,knobbies are not good on wet board walks ,thanks trail happy.
Can you put narrower tires on it?
You can put normal wheels on a monster truck. It just looks weird.
got 4 flats in 3 months with my fat tires
Have had mine for 3 years with NO flats. Fat or skinny, makes no difference in the threat of a flat tire.
I have Murf Higgs Step-Thru Fat Tire bike and I love it! It's the most comfortable beach cruiser. It has 52V battery/750W. The battery last forever. I bike to the beach 22 miles roundtrip through the hills + 2 miles bridge (steep incline) and it only burns 20-25% of the battery (throttle). If I use Pedal Assist, I will get even better results. I highly recommend checking it out!
speaking for myself. its 90% the look. like most stuff we all buy, it is the look that grabs us first. but i understand as a dedicated biker you will go for all the tech/performance/handling. but for us casual bikers they do what we want. informative video 👌
This guy just dislikes fat tire bikes. My wife and I own a Rad Power 6 and we love them. They are like the Lexus of electric bicycles or bicycles in general. They are smooth, easy to handle and have great range (despite what this critic charges, pardon the pun). They are fairly easy to transport to riding trails provided you purchase the correct hitch mounted rack. Lastly, we get compliments from nearly everyone we run into on the trails and greenways. We just couldn't be happier with our Rad Power bikes. They are an absolute joy to ride!
I guess you didn't watch it all, as I never discourage them. In fact, my entire PROS section starts at 4 minutes. This video is to empower my audience with the full information inclusive of downsides (as with every purchase) so they can make an educated buying decision. With that knowledge, I leave the conclusion open as it is now a personal choice if it is still suitable for their needs and rider profile. They are certainly an amazing option and a style I continue reviewing on my channel.
Hey there! I just stumbled upon a new project that might interest you. It's called the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike. This eBike offers a unique combination of fitness and technology. What really caught my attention is the indoor recharge feature. It's amazing that you can charge the bike while applying indoor mode! Plus, the brushless 750W motor and puncture-resistant fat tires ensure a smooth ride in any terrain. The Morph eBike seems to be a game-changer in terms of versatility and power. I can't wait to try one myself! 💪🚲
The extra battery doesn’t take up much weight at all. Your bike will thank you and you will thank your bike, especially when you don’t have to pedal your fat tire through town to make it home because you ran down to 0% 😂
these things are no fun on a dead battery 😆 - and I have to say I agree more battery is better in general, but it certainly increases the weight noticeably. when I went from stock 60v 32ah on my sur Ron to 72v 38ah I would definitely feel the extra 10ish lbs in the handling, stopping, nimble-ness etc - but overall was worth it for sure. considering there is a 72v 53ah available for only a few hundred extra bucks, im not sure this would be worth it - even though the range get boosted considerably the extra weight really adds up at that point. ultimately it's best to have the size battery for the range you actually use to avoid lugging around excess mass. thanks for dropping some comments dude, hope the Oregon weather clears up soon for you!
Thinking about trying one of these for fishing the beach! Get some side saddle tostrap on a bait bucket and a cooler for beer.
How do these hold up in rain?
"I'm not fat! I'm big boned!" Can't wait to get mine; I am currently on waiting list. Unless, you ride your fatties in a somewhat aggressive or difficult trails that requires deep treads, try putting on smoother pavement tires or hybrid tires for less dragging. I did that to my Rockhopper, changed the tires from aggressive threads to smoother tires, made a huge difference in the resistance; I can still ride a low to low-mid trails & gravel with now issues. As always, another cool vid!
I love my fatty mid drive..1500w I can climb hill with the lowest pas1
mid drives are the best for hill climbing, no question
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u never tried hub motor. Not sure how better MD than hub. but yesterday i tried vert steep hill...pas 1 only made half the hill...pas2 need more effort..pas 3 is effortless.
@@kairulazwan112Mid have about double the torque (acceleration/climving power) as hubs do generally.
Fat tires are noisy, power robbing and EXPENSIVE! - like buying motorcycle tires... I seek range and speed, as we are quite rural and 30 miles round trip from stores/town.
Which ebike do you have?