Now that the Sim vs. Sim comparison is in, I'd love to see a comparison of iRacing vs. iRacing - there are NO guides (not *good* guides, but any guides at all, really) on how to configure iRacing's AI overall, and on a Per-Driver level. I run a Saturday series in the league I'm in that is usually a mix of 75% GT3, 20% iRX VW Lite, and 5% Indycar Oval - and wherever possible I add GT3 GT4 and TC AI, and i've found them to be basically impossible to dial in correctly - they're either WILDLY faster than everyone...or they're slow as dirt and brake check every live driver behind them (randomly handing out meatballs) in the process of being slow as dirt. You seem to have good methodology and have the means to produce a well-documented, well-tested high quality video on the subject, if you were to take it up.
@@JonathonBarton love that idea dude, I've got some vids in the pipeline but will try get up to scratch and see if I can get a solid video together regarding AI setup 🤘😁
The thing i hate about ACC AI is that it doesn't make any mistakes. You can run a 3 hour race and the AI won't even slide or touch the grass. It's just super unrealistic, especially running endurance races with the AI, when you lose 10 positions just for one offtrack because they follow each other. The other thing is that it always gets a perfect pitstop. I need to perfectly aim to fit in my box so i don't get moved and lose 3 seconds, while the AI just pits in 30 seconds and is done. If you don't get a perfect pit, you just suddenly lose 5 seconds which is ridiculous.
I’ve seen similar with ams2. Rarely make mistakes whereas I DNF sometimes. AI keep on keepn’ on. So custom champs not really “fair” if you do them legit and count your abandoned races.
Agree that iRacing is best. I love coming round a corner and seeing a car spun out or upside down - that happens a lot in human vs human races, but almost never in AI races. iRacing gets a great balance and it feels like you are racing real people.
Great list. While I love the driving experience in ACC and getting my safety rating up over an 80, the challenge iRacing brings from their AI is far superior. Knowing that a race is never over due to the sometimes mistakes the AI can make, makes any race a great ride. the other titles don’t come close as most all have the train like experience and the top five drivers rarely make mistakes.
rFactor 2 just released (10/17/22) a beta that has greatly improved AI. You have to go into Steam properties and choose the release candidate beta. This should be final in the Q4 content drop in November.
It's insane that the one with by far the best multiplayer has the best AI. They will continue to add more and more content to the AI each season, as well.
What a nice and useful video , many thanks from me , i play ac and acc , and you are accurate to the point, so is sure that you are to the point for every sim . And its strange that the most online based sim have the best ai offline racing too !!!!
Every title makes ai flawless which is why iRacing is a blessing as the ai can often make braking mistakes or give you a little bit too much room on the inside for you to squeeze down instead of leaving a whole 5 cars width
iRacing is the obvious #1 here. But I put AMS2 on the second slot because they race without mindlessly running into you like AC. The other reason I'll only invest the time in those two as they are the only ones with active AI development going on. All of the titles have issues; only a couple are working on making it better
I mostly agree with your opinions here although I personally find that the ac ai like to drive straight into me for no reason and would rank them lower. I would also place ams2 above Rf2 due to needing to dive into and tweak text files to make them good + the strange erratic braking and throttle inputs. Thanks for the awesome video!
Iracing I think by far has the best AI right now, which is still kinda crazy to say 😅. If Studio 397 ever give their AI some attention they could be really good again.
Great list. :) As someone who does AI races often especially in AC I'd like to add a bit to this. At 9:07 you mentioned custom skins and driver personalities for iRacing. AC has this option as well (sort of) if you use Content Manager. You can download skins for cars and when setting up a race can dial in every single car to a specific value of skill level and aggression and even give them custom names. As an example I've recently did a Spa race where every AI was driving a specific car and was named after people who I usually racing with. (Also setting AI aggression to 100 in AC often means they'll retire after some point for making a mistake and crashing out.)
I know this is a year old and you probably won't see this, but I'm curious about some things. First of all, the issue with the AI you talked about is the issue many people have at lower AI levels. Once I started racing AI at around 113 and above, these issues went away and I've heard the same from many others. So I'm curious about what level you had the AI set to. If it was set to adaptive AI, that may be your problem. I heard on a forum from someone who said they worked on adaptive AI that it works very differently from how you described. Of course this is an old video and I have no idea how old that comment was so you might be right about how it worked at the time you uploaded, but this is how adaptive AI works as I currently understand it: It only works if you have already done a race on that track with adaptive AI, maybe even with the same car, I don’t remember. You set adaptive AI and it starts from a much lower predetermined level. Then you do the race, and the AI adapts to your performance on that race. It works separately from each track, and it only works in the actual race. One race with adaptive AI is usually not enough to be accurate, and the more races you do the better it gets. But again, it does this separately for each track according to this person rather than an average of all tracks. Again, maybe it was/is the way to described it at the time of upload. If you weren't aware of this, maybe that was the issue you had. Or maybe the AI level was set too low. I definitely have seen that the AI don't have the best racecraft but even still, I have had some great races with raceroom AI and I personally wouldn't rate it lower than most of the other sims on here.
Hey my man! Appreciate you watching and commenting! So to answer that question - I had all AI turned to the max skill possible within each sim, with the only one having the 'Adaptive AI' being Raceroom, although I have always found the AI to be a bit shite regardless of time on track and experience racing with them to be honest haha. But each to their own I suppose, I still love RR as a sim and game, but yeah, it's AI for me personally don't offer much in the way of racing :)
in raceroom you should race each track for about 5/10 laps with adaptive ai and then choose that you start first and race clean every corner from the start wich should solve that problem
Great video man. Subbed. I'm probably never going to experience IRacing AI because I consider it ridiculously overpriced, but I've watched enough RUclipsrs to respect your verdict on it, it did look damn good.
@@cg-keuka I'd like to know this also because with my schedule, I can race on Friday afternoons in the US when most other people are at work besides some Euros online. More than one person has suggested iRacing for my desire to play online against others in the US at any time of day. My jaw literally dropped when I saw you put iRacing at number 1 for offline AI because I didn't even know it had it! I'd like to know the answer to this question also about offline AI and the basic membership fee. Thanks for the video! I enjoyed a different video of yours and chose to come to this one next. Nice content, good delivery, the whole package. Good job! :)
Im pretty sure theyve updated the ai in r3e and they updated the tire model, its made it pretty fun. AMS1 is good too. they all have there pros and cons
@@Harto1 I actually just got into sim racing only a couple months ago, starting with a PS5 + gt7, and soon after, a Fanatec wheel. It was great fun for a while, but I ended up switching over to PC sims and returning the DD Pro to help fund my Simucube setup, and I haven't looked back. Between the new Forza motorsport, AMS2 and EA WRC, I'm really not missing GT much. Will probably end up selling the PS5 soon to help fund a Simlab cockpit.
Great video! With all the hate iRacing gets from people who don't understand it's business model, it's cool to see they bring a lot of value to offline racing as well. It may be on the expensive side, but they do invest A LOT back into the sim. Also, with all of the advances in AI and machine learning, I'll bet we are on the verge of seeing some scary-smart AI make it's way into video games.
What level AI were you using for RR? Re Adaptive AI, I found you really need to run 25-50 laps for the AI to figure out your driving style and adjust accordingly
RUclips suggested this one a bit late to me I see.. but great video. Personally I really like the 'adaptive' mode of the Raceroom AI but I agree with your complaints. I haven't played AMS2 a lot but I had some pretty terrible AI racing there. AC is all over the place, even with the standard Kunos tracks and cars. I did one of the challenge races, in a Ferrari 312 on the old Silverstone layout. I must have tried that one 50 times or so - and 49 times the AI kept wrecking me in the first corner, no matter how I tried to avoid them. It's actually on some usermade tracks that the AI is pretty good in AC. One nice recent feature in AC (with the CSP mod) is rubberband AI, where they keep close around no. Not realistic but superfun, constant close racing. RF2 - runs pretty great in VR, until you add some AI, then the fps drops a ton. So I can only race with something like 8 AI there. And Iracing.. since they really started to improve the AI about 2 years ago.. I race more with the AI than online. For roadracing at least it's borderline perfect. They're agressive but still carefull enough not to make stupid contacts, they make humanlike mistakes. I had so many terrific AI battles in Iracing.
This is an excellent video. Your best yet. It the right duration and with the detailed commentary it would allow a driver to decide on the SIM for them, based on the AI realism. I also agree with the reordering of Assetto Corsa higher up the list from your original longer video.
Good video! But was surprised with AC's position in the list. For me, the AI in AC is not very good. I find it really doesn't try to overtake, no matter how slow I am, once I overtake I can just forget about them. And the pole position always is way ahead in all races, while the rest of the grid is bunched up together. Any videos or advice on how to set it up for good racing?
Hey Sergio! No videos on how to set it up I'm afraid, although a good idea that I can try and get to down the line. I agree actually and at times the AI can be all over the place, however I just almost find the complete randomness of it fun! Especially on the actual AC tracks - mods can be very hit or miss
I would’ve loved to see you bring some older titles into the mix. GTR 2 comes to mind as having good AI, and NASCAR Racing 2003 is still exceptional for oval AI.
For whatever reason i always assumed Iracing didnt even have AI. Im just starting sim racing and playing AC, wanted to wait until i got decent to get Iracing since i thought it was online only. Come to find out apparently its the agreed upon best AI experience lol, thanks for the info and great video.
I see that many people like when the ai leaves the space and don't fight for position, that's why rf2 ai is hated by some . I truly enjoy that challenge and is missing in ams2.
Well, rf2 had the best ai when ISI run that show. It’s still good except for the fact official content on official tracks is crashing out all the time. Even in this video you see ai oversteer when exiting a corner. The Porsche GTE and GT3 are especially ad. It’s just bad. Rf2 on line is dead but there are a lot of ai players out hete who want to race the best ai on the time they want to plat. Rf2 should focus on that and the could find a whole new player base.
S397 is finally working on it. They just put out a release candidate for rFactor 2 that has greatly improved AI. They seem committed to improving it and it looks to be a good start. Got rid of the jerky motions and tire locking for me. Hopefully more to come.
i play with assetto corsa ai..so heres my review for ac ai.. they are very competitive while ahead of you but they drive like morons while behind you.. but sure you will learn the racing discipline very well.. it will teach you how to race ..
Great video. I miss AI in private lobby on ACC. I just hope they can add it so I can play with friends without doing Multiplayer, for example as F1 games does it. I am on Ps5, so for me ACC is the best I can have on Ps5
That's why I run rFactor 2 since I play with friends against AI and you have tons of control over it, you can even adjust the grid positions of everyone in warmup. I love AMS 2 but the server is junk (which is why LFM can't run it).
Agree that iRacing AI is fantastic. I love it. But the huge problem is that so many cars and tracks are not supported for AI racing. If they filled all the gaps they'd make a much better case for buying all the content.
I could not disagree more on rF2 AI. I see where you're going for with trying to have a baseline between all sims, but the rF2 AI cannot handle multiclass racing, the AI racing lines at other tracks like Sebring or VIR is basically broken where the AI will basically spin out at the same corners lap after lap causing accidents and retirements. The rF2 AI also has really bad blue flay syndrom where they simply don't get around lapped cars properly which kills any chance of running an offline race at Le Mans properly. On top of that half the field can end in retirement before an hours time, the other half will probably end up taking way too many pit stops to try and fix the damage they had from accidents with the cars that retired from the race. Enduro racing in rF2 is a joke and has been since S397 took over the title. Most of these sims can appear to have okay AI for short races with single classes. If you throw in multiclass races or for single seaters real life race distances where pit stop strategy, tire management, and fuel management become a factor the warts can really start to show. I find all sims to have major issues in one facet or another that prevents replication of real life race distances and for it being 2022 I find that extremely disappointing. Reiza seem to be the only devs working on improving their AI continuously so I have some hope at least AMS2's AI can continue to improve, but like S397 has all but abandoned AI improvement for their obsession over Esports, Kunos seem to only be interested in doing the bare minimum for AI support, and I stopped following Sector 3 because I felt like they also have put AI development on the back burner.
Hey Brett, appreciate the comment dude :) Yeah I suppose they all have their issues, and I do think that Reiza seems most promising outside of iR as they're actively developing it. Let's see what comes of it!
@@Harto1 good point on iR. I didn't even think of it because I don't play it, but from what I've seen it's pretty good. They seem to really be taking their time making sure the AI are properly calibrated for each track and class.
Yeah I feel like rFactor 2's AI is fantastic when its on a track with good AI coding, in single-class, not endurance length racing. On some modded tracks they can be absolutely horrid, and the lapping and class problems you described are definitely there. But when it is working, it can be brilliant
multiclass racing in rF2: slow cars don't yield their position when being lapped, and sometimes faster cars are a bit shy when overtaking them, so yes, it's a bit sad. multiclass in AMS2 is way better (although not perfect) as faster cars are more aggressive when lapping slower cars (and slower cars try to get out of the way). I've had quite good moments with AI fighting side by side through several corners. Additionally, AI sometimes make mistakes, and the attributes of each driver can be edited
I really enjoyed Project Cars 1. Sometimes id see 3 or four cars in front battling it out and making mistakes, and if i over took a car it would try to dart back in to re-overtake. I never played 2 or 3.
It is now 2024. Well I don't do IRacing. I refuse to pay monthly subscriptions to any game. So that said, I too enjoy RFactor 2 for AI racing. They seem to be the most aggressive while doing races. Even if you pass an AI car, it will allot of times come back and try to pass me again. Have not tried Automobilista 2 since the latest update. Some reviewers say they are very good now. I shall see in the coming weeks. I have all the other games you mention and are very good racing games. I have many other racing games to keep me busy racing. F1, Rally, Dirt Rally, Bikes, and Arcade-ish type games. all are unique and fun to do. All above I also do in VR. Favorite Series Being from the US, I like doing Nascar and Indycar racing, both their road tracks and Ovals. I have all the tracks for RFactor 2 to do the series. Many racing games, once we pass the AI car, they tend to just fade away and leaves just fighting only the AI cars ahead of me. For my entertainment I just do offline AI races now. Don't have time to do Online racing. I do short races so that I can do different tracks for a couple of hours. I used to have fun racing in private online leagues several years ago, but as I said, don't have the time anymore. Thanks for the video. Take care.
Grand Prix 4? I sometimes just watch ai races it is so good. That said, as someone who does not race online, I am tempted to give iracing a go after this video.
The AI in iRacing is seriously slept on. It's really good, but so many people harbor hatred for it (usually repeating what they've heard regarding issues long since fixed) that they don't give it its proper chance.
No wonder iRacing takes the top spot: they brought back their perfect from Nascar Racing 2003, even tho it's mostly on ovals, with modding and other series (including the infamous GTP mod) you are racing against racers, not just bots!
I played many times F1 games by Codemasters, and once I decided to make own F1 season using Assetto Corsa; but A.I. in this game wasn't good as I had to set "difficulty level" differently on every track. Now I'm going to try again making own F1 season with A.I. as F1 22 doesn't impress me enough, but I still don't know what game should I take - rFactor 2 or iRacing?
Wow, that's interesting. I just watched another video reviewer right before this who said that rFactor 2's AI is really bad, explaining how it was the Sebring update that broke the AI aggression, and has been a major complaint in the rFactor 2 community for at least the last 2 years. Even the developer of rFactor 2 has since *acknowledged* that the AI is NOT working properly. In the end, his review of rFactor 2's AI was so scathing I decided not to buy it.
Hey Billy thanks for checking out the video! Personally I think AMS2 has the best visuals out of this bunch, ACC close second but AMS2 looks stunning, just a shame I'm not so much a fan of the driving experience in it :P
The only thing iRacing excels at is the online competition system (it seems normal to me, given how much it costs). As far as physics and realism go, rFactor 2 is the best of them all (perhaps now surpassed by Le Mans Ultimate, which is still a derivative).
iRacing AI is soo damn good, really feels like racing other people. The only downside the AI has is that it is not available for all tracks and cars, other than that it is absolutely brilliant. And honestly i think one of the things they do best aswell is the difficulty scaling. While some AIs on lower difficulty feel like they are just driving to some delta and just drive exactly the same as always just a bit slower, it seems that iracing has really identified what makes a slow driver slow. If you are a slow ass driver like me, you can still race them hard and drive as fast as you can, without the fear of rear ending them as i often do in other games, where the AI randomly goes way to slow through corners
Very interesting and good list m8. I agree about most of these but for some reason rF2 hasn't but a great experience for me been great for me but I think it's mostly bug related. Sometimes they completely stop in the middle of the race and things like that. I did try iRacing and yeah overall it's a fight pretty much which definitely is racing. I would probably switch AMS2 with AC but then again it's hard to tell cause I may not be the fastest but I can defend my ass off 🤣. Great video man new sub
I'm liking Automobilista 2 quite a bit. I had a race earlier where 2 different AI just spun out in front of me at different times. Yesterday I had one of the AIs cause a full course yellow flag somehow. I don't think I've seen an AI try to send it, but eat shit, yet on ACC after 12 hours of playtime.
Imo, raceroom A.I gives me the best races. They have some of the best awareness, they make realistic mistakes, and are fast. Ac ai... they just strait up run into the back of me , I can barley start a race much less finish one. Acc = boring. Iracing is fabulous, but just limited.
like IRacing AI most..for me good practice and sometime its nice to see a very agressive AI driver com at my back and i know that he wants too much so sometimes its better to open in a corner just to see him leaving track in next corner .....like in real online races versus not alien drivers
you miss the AMS1 its AI is also great, theyll fight and make some mistake too there's a time when im on the lead like 1.5 second coming to the final chicane on SPA, just enjoying my braking zone and going slow trough the corner and i got heart attack as the AI behind me making a stupid braking mistake and slam my back edit : still have the replay data on my computer ruclips.net/video/TbIuHNlBE3E/видео.html
I’m sorry mate rF2 has terrible AI to the point where it’s comical it hasn’t had any AI development in years. RaceRoom has way better AI I think RaceRooms AI is up there with iRacing. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
@@Harto1 Sim racing is such a subjective hobby. It’s what you like & what you get out of it. If you like RF2 AI awesome I really wish I could feel the same about it. But for me it’s Raceroom’s AI I can have really good battles with it. Another sim that wasn’t on your list is NASCAR Racing 2003. It’s AI was fantastic & Well before it’s time.
Going to repeat myself to make sure people know that S397 just put out a release candidate beta that has greatly improved AI. They are finally working on it yay!
I'd say any of them would be fine for you on a mid range setup dude, you may need to adjust graphics depending on the title but no issue in running them I think 👍😀
i dont really play online as i am very anti social so have a lot of experience with AI :) Nice video, very useful. Just one thing to note about ACC, you are not supposed to bang cars with people as it affects your safety rating so its good not to have the AI bashing into you :)
Hey Jon appreciate you checking out the video :) Yeah I get that RE: banging etc, I've actually had a few people mention that. It's not I wish for carnage, but I just think they're too soft when racing - as zero racing drivers would be, they're animals haha
I really enjoy Iracing, however do have two complaints that I think can easily be fixed. The first is that they are very slow on the first lap allowing me sometimes to pass as many as 8 cars on the first lap. Second is at some corners it appears as if they are brake checking me at mid corner and other corners they exhibit a very high level of grip I just cant match allowing them to may times pass me on the outside of a corner. New before you think that I just am not taking the corner optimally let me give you an example. Spa turn 8 I have entered on the inside of the AI car and held my line throughout the corner at the limit of grip only to have the AI car pass me on the outside. I noted their speed through the corner and tried the outside line only to lose grip and 4 wheel drift to the outside or understeer to the outside. I just dont know how they do it.
I too have a good way to test the AI behavior on these games, do a multi-class race and have the AI be the faster car. AC and ACC are horrible at it, the faster class car dont know how to overtake slower cars or weave through traffic, meanwhile Rf2 and AMS2 AI are just suicidal maniacs, they try overtake slower cars even if they cant make the corner, sometimes they even overtake thru the grass, which is still no good.
Ams2 AI works far better with medium aggression. I think I've had my most enjoyable and natural feeling battles against AI in Ams2. rF2 can also be pretty good but I find it inconsistent and often it's just plain homicidal. I have AC & ACC but I'm not really a fan of either and consequently have not raced against it's AI.
A little hint for you: Press the number 3 in RF2 a couple of times for switching on the mirrors. They are very well implemented. Best integration of mirrors in sim racing - because you get the side mirrors, too.
@@Harto1 you're welcome mate. But you have to know: they are simulated as side mirrors. You have to know: they are at the axis of the drivers helmet. You cannot see 3m of length of the car. At the beginning, you don't know exactly when the car is next to you. Do you use the crew chief? The free software? If not: This hint is even way better and a must have in sim racing. Because he tells you exactly, if a car is next to you. And he gives you way more information of the race, too.
In ACC if you do door banging you loose each time 1 SA. If you race door banging you basically are left racing the AI only as your SA goes to 0. Having said that there is NO racing with ANY banging. Any sims that allows you to train banging is a no go. Every time you bang you damage a half a million dollar car (GT4). There's no banging unless you're so rich as to arrogantly pay for your baning in real life.
@@Harto1 So race without any contact with ACC AI, and any other. As if you were paying tens of thousands of dollars each time you hit other cars and then re-evaluate the AI.
@@zzmadd so racing drivers should back off 100 meters before a corner and avoid close racing at all costs to avoid financial implications? Sounds very real to me 🤣
@@Harto1 racing in close proximity should be proportional to proficiency. Say Verstappen can race closer than yourself and myself. The closer you get without proficiency the more you turn racing into slaughtering. Then add the real cost of slaughtering into the low proficiency driver and you see how they immediately start being concerned. That concern is healthy.
I don't race oval, but I've heard others say the same. I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to get AI to feel realistic since there is so much strategy involved. They'd also need to factor in things like teams working together. I don't envy the guys working on it, that's for sure.
The aggression slider in ACC is useless. It does nothing, the AI are simply there for visual purposes. I don't do long races on ACC any more as it's simply a parade of differing race lengths. No variety in results, no strategic variety, no mistakes, no battles, nothing. It's my favourite sim but I get bored of it rather quickly.
I think AC ai is more boring than AM2 ai. I love how AM2 ai when set on agressive keep fighting and make it hard for me to pass sometimes. AC ai just hits me in the back and makes me lose control sometimes.
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So guys, what're YOUR thoughts on the list? How would you rank the current UI in sim racing? Be sure to let me know 😃
Now that the Sim vs. Sim comparison is in, I'd love to see a comparison of iRacing vs. iRacing - there are NO guides (not *good* guides, but any guides at all, really) on how to configure iRacing's AI overall, and on a Per-Driver level.
I run a Saturday series in the league I'm in that is usually a mix of 75% GT3, 20% iRX VW Lite, and 5% Indycar Oval - and wherever possible I add GT3 GT4 and TC AI, and i've found them to be basically impossible to dial in correctly - they're either WILDLY faster than everyone...or they're slow as dirt and brake check every live driver behind them (randomly handing out meatballs) in the process of being slow as dirt.
You seem to have good methodology and have the means to produce a well-documented, well-tested high quality video on the subject, if you were to take it up.
@@JonathonBarton love that idea dude, I've got some vids in the pipeline but will try get up to scratch and see if I can get a solid video together regarding AI setup 🤘😁
Gonna have to reevaluate this list when Sophi comes to GT7
@@NebraskaDownHiller Heard its meant to be ace!
Totally agree with the vid. I do enjoy AI racing with Iracing. Its suoer cut throat in those races 😂.
The thing i hate about ACC AI is that it doesn't make any mistakes. You can run a 3 hour race and the AI won't even slide or touch the grass. It's just super unrealistic, especially running endurance races with the AI, when you lose 10 positions just for one offtrack because they follow each other. The other thing is that it always gets a perfect pitstop. I need to perfectly aim to fit in my box so i don't get moved and lose 3 seconds, while the AI just pits in 30 seconds and is done. If you don't get a perfect pit, you just suddenly lose 5 seconds which is ridiculous.
Michal yes dude it just lacks any sort of drama. Not my go to certainly, thanks for checking out the video 🤘😁
Agreed
"Digital Imperfection Is Perfection"
Not everyone is going to be 100% the same every lap, so AI imperfections will make the AI more realistic
I’ve seen similar with ams2. Rarely make mistakes whereas I DNF sometimes. AI keep on keepn’ on. So custom champs not really “fair” if you do them legit and count your abandoned races.
Agreed. I think the ACC ai are okay….but they are boring. It’s like nothing ever happens with them. No mistakes, rarely overtake. Just kinda blah
Agree that iRacing is best. I love coming round a corner and seeing a car spun out or upside down - that happens a lot in human vs human races, but almost never in AI races. iRacing gets a great balance and it feels like you are racing real people.
Exactly dude, a step above the rest! Appreciate you checking out the video :)
Have had some great rF2 battles in BTCC mod and GT3. I am hoping AMS2 continues to tweak what is fairly decent ai racing. Good list!
Kevin thanks for checking the video out my man 🤘😁
Great list. While I love the driving experience in ACC and getting my safety rating up over an 80, the challenge iRacing brings from their AI is far superior. Knowing that a race is never over due to the sometimes mistakes the AI can make, makes any race a great ride. the other titles don’t come close as most all have the train like experience and the top five drivers rarely make mistakes.
Thanks dude! Yup 100% buddy
rFactor 2 just released (10/17/22) a beta that has greatly improved AI. You have to go into Steam properties and choose the release candidate beta. This should be final in the Q4 content drop in November.
Exactomundo. But I would still combine it with the player.json file tweaks.
NICE
It's insane that the one with by far the best multiplayer has the best AI. They will continue to add more and more content to the AI each season, as well.
Hopefully my man! Yeah it's crazy haha, i didn't want to be the best, but here we are 😂
With the newest updates AMS2 has made great progress especially with the AI...
So it will maybe time for an updated video?
Sounds like it my man! Thanks for watching the video! 🤘
What a nice and useful video , many thanks from me , i play ac and acc , and you are accurate to the point, so is sure that you are to the point for every sim .
And its strange that the most online based sim have the best ai offline racing too !!!!
Thanks for checking out the video dude :)
Every title makes ai flawless which is why iRacing is a blessing as the ai can often make braking mistakes or give you a little bit too much room on the inside for you to squeeze down instead of leaving a whole 5 cars width
Exactly buddy, appreciate you checking out the video :)
iRacing is the obvious #1 here. But I put AMS2 on the second slot because they race without mindlessly running into you like AC.
The other reason I'll only invest the time in those two as they are the only ones with active AI development going on. All of the titles have issues; only a couple are working on making it better
Agree RE: ongoing development it's good to see 🤘😁
Thanks for checking out the video
I mostly agree with your opinions here although I personally find that the ac ai like to drive straight into me for no reason and would rank them lower. I would also place ams2 above Rf2 due to needing to dive into and tweak text files to make them good + the strange erratic braking and throttle inputs.
Thanks for the awesome video!
Hey Ryan! Appreciate you checking it out my man!
AI throttle and brake inputs have been solved on the new Release Candidate build which is about to go public.
They absolutely do! I swear I've been deliberately span on the regular
@@valter_vava74ai just run on me at road america 2019 mod. Nobody have all the paid track for rfactor 2.
This video popped up on my feed just now and I’m amazed by the production quality! Liked and subbed!
Hey man! Thanks so much! :)
video looks top notch doesnt look like its coming from a channel with 1.1k subs, awesome editing and confident voice, you just earned a new sub
Thanks for the sub! And thanks for watching! :)
Iracing I think by far has the best AI right now, which is still kinda crazy to say 😅. If Studio 397 ever give their AI some attention they could be really good again.
Haha I hate to give iRacing wins haha, but yes hopefully RF2 keeps getting the attention it deserves!
Great list. :)
As someone who does AI races often especially in AC I'd like to add a bit to this.
At 9:07 you mentioned custom skins and driver personalities for iRacing.
AC has this option as well (sort of) if you use Content Manager.
You can download skins for cars and when setting up a race can dial in every single car to a specific value of skill level and aggression and even give them custom names.
As an example I've recently did a Spa race where every AI was driving a specific car and was named after people who I usually racing with.
(Also setting AI aggression to 100 in AC often means they'll retire after some point for making a mistake and crashing out.)
Hey dude thanks for checking out the video, didn't know that about AC that's awesome!
What's the best AI aggression setting for AC so they won't retire too often while at the same time being aggressive enough to produce a good race?
@@winged Between 40 and 70. 80 or above will mean they take more risks and just send it into corners. 100 aggression is never recommended.
I know this is a year old and you probably won't see this, but I'm curious about some things. First of all, the issue with the AI you talked about is the issue many people have at lower AI levels. Once I started racing AI at around 113 and above, these issues went away and I've heard the same from many others. So I'm curious about what level you had the AI set to. If it was set to adaptive AI, that may be your problem. I heard on a forum from someone who said they worked on adaptive AI that it works very differently from how you described. Of course this is an old video and I have no idea how old that comment was so you might be right about how it worked at the time you uploaded, but this is how adaptive AI works as I currently understand it:
It only works if you have already done a race on that track with adaptive AI, maybe even with the same car, I don’t remember. You set adaptive AI and it starts from a much lower predetermined level. Then you do the race, and the AI adapts to your performance on that race. It works separately from each track, and it only works in the actual race. One race with adaptive AI is usually not enough to be accurate, and the more races you do the better it gets. But again, it does this separately for each track according to this person rather than an average of all tracks.
Again, maybe it was/is the way to described it at the time of upload. If you weren't aware of this, maybe that was the issue you had. Or maybe the AI level was set too low. I definitely have seen that the AI don't have the best racecraft but even still, I have had some great races with raceroom AI and I personally wouldn't rate it lower than most of the other sims on here.
Hey my man! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
So to answer that question -
I had all AI turned to the max skill possible within each sim, with the only one having the 'Adaptive AI' being Raceroom, although I have always found the AI to be a bit shite regardless of time on track and experience racing with them to be honest haha. But each to their own I suppose, I still love RR as a sim and game, but yeah, it's AI for me personally don't offer much in the way of racing :)
in raceroom you should race each track for about 5/10 laps with adaptive ai and then choose that you start first and race clean every corner from the start wich should solve that problem
Great video man. Subbed.
I'm probably never going to experience IRacing AI because I consider it ridiculously overpriced, but I've watched enough RUclipsrs to respect your verdict on it, it did look damn good.
Appreciate you watching the video dude, thanks for the sub 🤘😁
I'm same boat as you buddy, iRacing looked good but I ain't paying those prices. Hopefully another SIM gets their online game together someday.
@@JBVXR lets hope so! :)
If you like to practice with the AI to learn each track and IRacing is the best, can you do this with the basic membership fee. Thanks
@@cg-keuka I'd like to know this also because with my schedule, I can race on Friday afternoons in the US when most other people are at work besides some Euros online. More than one person has suggested iRacing for my desire to play online against others in the US at any time of day. My jaw literally dropped when I saw you put iRacing at number 1 for offline AI because I didn't even know it had it! I'd like to know the answer to this question also about offline AI and the basic membership fee.
Thanks for the video! I enjoyed a different video of yours and chose to come to this one next. Nice content, good delivery, the whole package. Good job! :)
Im pretty sure theyve updated the ai in r3e and they updated the tire model, its made it pretty fun. AMS1 is good too. they all have there pros and cons
Agree, and yeah tried Raceroom since the update it drives great!
I wonder how GT7's new Sophy AI stacks up against the top contenders here.
Id love to be able to test it, been really tempted by a PS5 recently 👀
@@Harto1 I actually just got into sim racing only a couple months ago, starting with a PS5 + gt7, and soon after, a Fanatec wheel.
It was great fun for a while, but I ended up switching over to PC sims and returning the DD Pro to help fund my Simucube setup, and I haven't looked back.
Between the new Forza motorsport, AMS2 and EA WRC, I'm really not missing GT much. Will probably end up selling the PS5 soon to help fund a Simlab cockpit.
I needed this help finding a good game to race in. alot of thx go to you!
Not a problem dude enjoy 🤘😁
Great video! With all the hate iRacing gets from people who don't understand it's business model, it's cool to see they bring a lot of value to offline racing as well. It may be on the expensive side, but they do invest A LOT back into the sim. Also, with all of the advances in AI and machine learning, I'll bet we are on the verge of seeing some scary-smart AI make it's way into video games.
Exactly my man, exciting times! Thanks for checking out the video :)
I really like AMS2's AI, but the speed they carry through the corners while wheel to wheel is insane.
What level AI were you using for RR? Re Adaptive AI, I found you really need to run 25-50 laps for the AI to figure out your driving style and adjust accordingly
In this video AI were at 100 difficulty, I find above that the speed they carry through the corners just becomes a little unrealistic :)
RUclips suggested this one a bit late to me I see.. but great video. Personally I really like the 'adaptive' mode of the Raceroom AI but I agree with your complaints. I haven't played AMS2 a lot but I had some pretty terrible AI racing there. AC is all over the place, even with the standard Kunos tracks and cars. I did one of the challenge races, in a Ferrari 312 on the old Silverstone layout.
I must have tried that one 50 times or so - and 49 times the AI kept wrecking me in the first corner, no matter how I tried to avoid them. It's actually on some usermade tracks that the AI is pretty good in AC.
One nice recent feature in AC (with the CSP mod) is rubberband AI, where they keep close around no. Not realistic but superfun, constant close racing.
RF2 - runs pretty great in VR, until you add some AI, then the fps drops a ton. So I can only race with something like 8 AI there.
And Iracing.. since they really started to improve the AI about 2 years ago.. I race more with the AI than online. For roadracing at least it's borderline perfect. They're agressive but still carefull enough not to make stupid contacts, they make humanlike mistakes. I had so many terrific AI battles in Iracing.
This is an excellent video. Your best yet. It the right duration and with the detailed commentary it would allow a driver to decide on the SIM for them, based on the AI realism. I also agree with the reordering of Assetto Corsa higher up the list from your original longer video.
Hey Pete thank you sir! Appreciate you taking the time to watch it 🙂 and I knew you'd appreciate AC being up there 😉
Good video! But was surprised with AC's position in the list. For me, the AI in AC is not very good. I find it really doesn't try to overtake, no matter how slow I am, once I overtake I can just forget about them. And the pole position always is way ahead in all races, while the rest of the grid is bunched up together. Any videos or advice on how to set it up for good racing?
Hey Sergio! No videos on how to set it up I'm afraid, although a good idea that I can try and get to down the line.
I agree actually and at times the AI can be all over the place, however I just almost find the complete randomness of it fun! Especially on the actual AC tracks - mods can be very hit or miss
I would’ve loved to see you bring some older titles into the mix. GTR 2 comes to mind as having good AI, and NASCAR Racing 2003 is still exceptional for oval AI.
Good point! I've been playing GTR2 quite a lot as of late and I love it!
For whatever reason i always assumed Iracing didnt even have AI. Im just starting sim racing and playing AC, wanted to wait until i got decent to get Iracing since i thought it was online only. Come to find out apparently its the agreed upon best AI experience lol, thanks for the info and great video.
Thanks for watching dude 😎
Good comparison. Thanks for sharing with us!
Thank YOU for watching big man!
I see that many people like when the ai leaves the space and don't fight for position, that's why rf2 ai is hated by some .
I truly enjoy that challenge and is missing in ams2.
Hey Fernando, agree dude! I personally love it!
Thanks for the work putting it all together.
Not a problem my man, thank YOU for taking the time to check it out
Well done!
Sorry to see R3E in 6th, but ... yaaa, iRacing.
^5
Well, rf2 had the best ai when ISI run that show. It’s still good except for the fact official content on official tracks is crashing out all the time. Even in this video you see ai oversteer when exiting a corner. The Porsche GTE and GT3 are especially ad. It’s just bad. Rf2 on line is dead but there are a lot of ai players out hete who want to race the best ai on the time they want to plat. Rf2 should focus on that and the could find a whole new player base.
Agree Bert, I do notice them getting that 'snap' on corner exits, RF2 has so much potential. Thanks for cheCking out the video!
S397 is finally working on it. They just put out a release candidate for rFactor 2 that has greatly improved AI. They seem committed to improving it and it looks to be a good start. Got rid of the jerky motions and tire locking for me. Hopefully more to come.
What about now for AMS 2 since its 1.4 update?
Hey man! Not a clue haha, I actually haven't played since the update came in!
That was some really nice information. I didn´t think iRacing was that good at AI-Racing. I definitely should give it a go!
i play with assetto corsa ai..so heres my review for ac ai.. they are very competitive while ahead of you but they drive like morons while behind you.. but sure you will learn the racing discipline very well.. it will teach you how to race ..
Great video. I miss AI in private lobby on ACC. I just hope they can add it so I can play with friends without doing Multiplayer, for example as F1 games does it. I am on Ps5, so for me ACC is the best I can have on Ps5
Hopefully dude, would be good to see that happen.
That's why I run rFactor 2 since I play with friends against AI and you have tons of control over it, you can even adjust the grid positions of everyone in warmup. I love AMS 2 but the server is junk (which is why LFM can't run it).
Agree that iRacing AI is fantastic. I love it. But the huge problem is that so many cars and tracks are not supported for AI racing. If they filled all the gaps they'd make a much better case for buying all the content.
Agree, hopefully they'll expand the available options soon :)
I could not disagree more on rF2 AI. I see where you're going for with trying to have a baseline between all sims, but the rF2 AI cannot handle multiclass racing, the AI racing lines at other tracks like Sebring or VIR is basically broken where the AI will basically spin out at the same corners lap after lap causing accidents and retirements. The rF2 AI also has really bad blue flay syndrom where they simply don't get around lapped cars properly which kills any chance of running an offline race at Le Mans properly. On top of that half the field can end in retirement before an hours time, the other half will probably end up taking way too many pit stops to try and fix the damage they had from accidents with the cars that retired from the race. Enduro racing in rF2 is a joke and has been since S397 took over the title.
Most of these sims can appear to have okay AI for short races with single classes. If you throw in multiclass races or for single seaters real life race distances where pit stop strategy, tire management, and fuel management become a factor the warts can really start to show.
I find all sims to have major issues in one facet or another that prevents replication of real life race distances and for it being 2022 I find that extremely disappointing. Reiza seem to be the only devs working on improving their AI continuously so I have some hope at least AMS2's AI can continue to improve, but like S397 has all but abandoned AI improvement for their obsession over Esports, Kunos seem to only be interested in doing the bare minimum for AI support, and I stopped following Sector 3 because I felt like they also have put AI development on the back burner.
Hey Brett, appreciate the comment dude :) Yeah I suppose they all have their issues, and I do think that Reiza seems most promising outside of iR as they're actively developing it. Let's see what comes of it!
@@Harto1 good point on iR. I didn't even think of it because I don't play it, but from what I've seen it's pretty good. They seem to really be taking their time making sure the AI are properly calibrated for each track and class.
Yeah I feel like rFactor 2's AI is fantastic when its on a track with good AI coding, in single-class, not endurance length racing. On some modded tracks they can be absolutely horrid, and the lapping and class problems you described are definitely there.
But when it is working, it can be brilliant
@@LambdaHDvideo completely agree, appreciate you checking out the video :)
multiclass racing in rF2: slow cars don't yield their position when being lapped, and sometimes faster cars are a bit shy when overtaking them, so yes, it's a bit sad.
multiclass in AMS2 is way better (although not perfect) as faster cars are more aggressive when lapping slower cars (and slower cars try to get out of the way).
I've had quite good moments with AI fighting side by side through several corners.
Additionally, AI sometimes make mistakes, and the attributes of each driver can be edited
You should totaly bring a racing rig to a coffee shop in Bunclody :P Sim Racing coffee experience.
Hahah YES my man, if you're game i am haha
I really enjoyed Project Cars 1. Sometimes id see 3 or four cars in front battling it out and making mistakes, and if i over took a car it would try to dart back in to re-overtake. I never played 2 or 3.
I wonder what was the strongest ai as far as lap times goes??
Very interesting idea my man, may try to see haha
It is now 2024. Well I don't do IRacing. I refuse to pay monthly subscriptions to any game.
So that said, I too enjoy RFactor 2 for AI racing. They seem to be the most aggressive while doing races. Even if you pass an AI car, it will allot of times come back and try to pass me again.
Have not tried Automobilista 2 since the latest update. Some reviewers say they are very good now. I shall see in the coming weeks. I have all the other games you mention and are very good racing games.
I have many other racing games to keep me busy racing. F1, Rally, Dirt Rally, Bikes, and Arcade-ish type games. all are unique and fun to do. All above I also do in VR.
Favorite Series Being from the US, I like doing Nascar and Indycar racing, both their road tracks and Ovals. I have all the tracks for RFactor 2 to do the series.
Many racing games, once we pass the AI car, they tend to just fade away and leaves just fighting only the AI cars ahead of me.
For my entertainment I just do offline AI races now. Don't have time to do Online racing. I do short races so that I can do different tracks for a couple of hours. I used to have fun racing in private online leagues several years ago, but as I said, don't have the time anymore.
Thanks for the video. Take care.
Imo ams 2 is unbeatable. The AI is clever but realistic. Makes mistakes, overtakes and battles fairly.
Grand Prix 4? I sometimes just watch ai races it is so good. That said, as someone who does not race online, I am tempted to give iracing a go after this video.
Let me know how it goes! And Grand Prix 4? Never tried it, I may have to now.. :)
The AI in iRacing is seriously slept on. It's really good, but so many people harbor hatred for it (usually repeating what they've heard regarding issues long since fixed) that they don't give it its proper chance.
I agree my man, it's SO good. I mean legitimately great practise for actual online races, I use it a lot! Thanks for watching!
No wonder iRacing takes the top spot: they brought back their perfect from Nascar Racing 2003, even tho it's mostly on ovals, with modding and other series (including the infamous GTP mod) you are racing against racers, not just bots!
You just watched that Overtake GG video by Emree and then went back in time a year and uploaded the same thing.
Guilty 😂😂
Did the recent AMS update changed the AI for the better?
No I don't think it was edited in the last update although it seems that the AMS AI is dividing a few opinions hahaha
@@Harto1 I’m also not so sure about AMS’ AI tbh
I noticed in your recording of AMS 2 that you were getting some very significant frame time drops. Does that only happen when you are recording?
Hey man! Didn't even notice haha! Usually get a consistent 120 odd FPS on AMS2, but I think recording at the same time I may have overdone things! :P
I played many times F1 games by Codemasters, and once I decided to make own F1 season using Assetto Corsa; but A.I. in this game wasn't good as I had to set "difficulty level" differently on every track.
Now I'm going to try again making own F1 season with A.I. as F1 22 doesn't impress me enough, but I still don't know what game should I take - rFactor 2 or iRacing?
Hey man! Have you tried out AMS2? The Formula1 experience in that is really good, rF2 and iRacing can be decent but IMO AMS2 is ace for F1 :)
Wow, that's interesting. I just watched another video reviewer right before this who said that rFactor 2's AI is really bad, explaining how it was the Sebring update that broke the AI aggression, and has been a major complaint in the rFactor 2 community for at least the last 2 years. Even the developer of rFactor 2 has since *acknowledged* that the AI is NOT working properly. In the end, his review of rFactor 2's AI was so scathing I decided not to buy it.
Yeah I agree in most cases the RF2 AI can be very unpredictable, but strangely I actually find it to be more fun than some other sims due to that haha
thank u for these reviews. 1 question wich if for me personal important wich of these has the best graphics?
Hey Billy thanks for checking out the video! Personally I think AMS2 has the best visuals out of this bunch, ACC close second but AMS2 looks stunning, just a shame I'm not so much a fan of the driving experience in it :P
@@Harto1 i am driving with controller then ams2 or acc?
@@billygovaert6198 no idea man 😅😅😅 I've only played ACC with a controller and found it super hard 🤣
Hey mate.Thanks for the video.Can you make like this one but "best career sim racing games" please❤
Hey dude thanks for checking out the video - that's a good idea! I'll try and put something together in future :)
The only thing iRacing excels at is the online competition system (it seems normal to me, given how much it costs). As far as physics and realism go, rFactor 2 is the best of them all (perhaps now surpassed by Le Mans Ultimate, which is still a derivative).
Do you still rank them the same today?
Hey dude, yes! Haha I do actually
@@Harto1 OK, I still like GTR2 alot also.
acc 6th, ac 5th, raceroom 4th, rest totally agree
Advert for iRacing?
Yes - iRacing paid me handsomely to say they're the best. More so than any other sim that's why they're in 1st ;)
@@Harto1 Nice, but overpriced. And rFactor2 has a way better tire model.
iRacing AI is soo damn good, really feels like racing other people. The only downside the AI has is that it is not available for all tracks and cars, other than that it is absolutely brilliant. And honestly i think one of the things they do best aswell is the difficulty scaling. While some AIs on lower difficulty feel like they are just driving to some delta and just drive exactly the same as always just a bit slower, it seems that iracing has really identified what makes a slow driver slow.
If you are a slow ass driver like me, you can still race them hard and drive as fast as you can, without the fear of rear ending them as i often do in other games, where the AI randomly goes way to slow through corners
Exactly buddy, different level 🤘😁 thanks for checking out the video
Rfactor 2 when done right is my favourite but takes tweaking to get it and ams2 is so much better now than it used to be.
Yeah really liking AMS2 these days, such a fun sim! I see they're bringing some more content real soon also! Indycars!
I love the look of Iracing, one issue, its a bit expensive
Yup, it is 😅🥲
Thanks for the video. Does iracing cost the same amount of $ if you only play offline Vs the ai?
Unfortunately so buddy, you'd still incur the monthly cost assuming you didn't wish to purchase any new cars or tracks outside of the base pack
Spa with AC's AI with pretty much any F1 mod pack is disastrous from my experience. Half the grid won't survive T1 on cases more often than not.
Totally agree, I love Iracing AI racing, I have custom rosters for all my different classes. By far the best
Thanks for checking out the video! :)
I haven't been on iRacing for about 12 months, at which time they had a very limited number of tracks that supported it. Have they expanded this?
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 hey dude! Yes they have quite a bit, but not to all tracks unfortunately. But hopefully soon!
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 yeah, they’ve added lots now
Very interesting and good list m8. I agree about most of these but for some reason rF2 hasn't but a great experience for me been great for me but I think it's mostly bug related. Sometimes they completely stop in the middle of the race and things like that. I did try iRacing and yeah overall it's a fight pretty much which definitely is racing. I would probably switch AMS2 with AC but then again it's hard to tell cause I may not be the fastest but I can defend my ass off 🤣. Great video man new sub
Thanks for watching dude! Appreciate it :)
I'm liking Automobilista 2 quite a bit. I had a race earlier where 2 different AI just spun out in front of me at different times. Yesterday I had one of the AIs cause a full course yellow flag somehow. I don't think I've seen an AI try to send it, but eat shit, yet on ACC after 12 hours of playtime.
Imo, raceroom A.I gives me the best races. They have some of the best awareness, they make realistic mistakes, and are fast. Ac ai... they just strait up run into the back of me , I can barley start a race much less finish one. Acc = boring. Iracing is fabulous, but just limited.
Thanks for checking out the video man! 😊
Maybe the issue is just that GT3 cars are boring whatever game?
like IRacing AI most..for me good practice and sometime its nice to see a very agressive AI driver com at my back and i know that he wants too much so sometimes its better to open in a corner just to see him leaving track in next corner .....like in real online races versus not alien drivers
Thanks for watching dude! :)
you miss the AMS1
its AI is also great, theyll fight and make some mistake too
there's a time when im on the lead like 1.5 second coming to the final chicane on SPA, just enjoying my braking zone and going slow trough the corner and i got heart attack as the AI behind me making a stupid braking mistake and slam my back
edit : still have the replay data on my computer ruclips.net/video/TbIuHNlBE3E/видео.html
THAT'S a divebomb haha, wow. Bit of an ambitious move from the AI there 😂
Really wish codemasters develope ai in any sims they do crashes or different behavior
Yeah hopefully sometime in the near future mate! :)
For my money I think the F1 games have the best AI, but I understand why you didn't include it as many might say it isn't strictly a "sim".
Yeah I don't personally play it thats all, so didn't feel qualified to judge on it haha :)
I’ve been liking the AMS2 ai
Assetto Corsa BTCC Donnington and Brands Hatch really great fun
Le Mons Ultimate has the most aggressive and competitive ai
Save your money
AMS2
I’m sorry mate rF2 has terrible AI to the point where it’s comical it hasn’t had any AI development in years. RaceRoom has way better AI I think RaceRooms AI is up there with iRacing.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Thanks for checking out the video man 🤘😁 always good to hear other opinions 🙂
@@Harto1
Sim racing is such a subjective hobby. It’s what you like & what you get out of it. If you like RF2 AI awesome I really wish I could feel the same about it. But for me it’s Raceroom’s AI I can have really good battles with it. Another sim that wasn’t on your list is NASCAR Racing 2003. It’s AI was fantastic & Well before it’s time.
Going to repeat myself to make sure people know that S397 just put out a release candidate beta that has greatly improved AI. They are finally working on it yay!
@@racingsimaddicts7563
Believe it when I see it.
What's better games for Middle PC offline play?( E3 1270v3+ RTX2060 8gb+16gb ddr3+ Thrustmaster T300) 1.Touring-Assetto corsa/ competizione - R factor 2,-Automobilista 2
2.Rally-Dirt 2.0 WRC, 3.Formula 1 2018-22
4.NASCAR-?
I'd say any of them would be fine for you on a mid range setup dude, you may need to adjust graphics depending on the title but no issue in running them I think 👍😀
@@Harto1thanks! But what ❤a better game in each 4 race category( GTouring,F1,Rally/ NASCAR offline?
If there's no a.i in multiplayer it is automatically a 0.
The only thing i dont like about iRacings AI is standing starts, even at maximum level, they are extremely bad at it
Ah never tried that actually 🧐
i dont really play online as i am very anti social so have a lot of experience with AI :) Nice video, very useful. Just one thing to note about ACC, you are not supposed to bang cars with people as it affects your safety rating so its good not to have the AI bashing into you :)
Hey Jon appreciate you checking out the video :) Yeah I get that RE: banging etc, I've actually had a few people mention that. It's not I wish for carnage, but I just think they're too soft when racing - as zero racing drivers would be, they're animals haha
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AMS 1 and GTR 2 still rocks
I really enjoy Iracing, however do have two complaints that I think can easily be fixed. The first is that they are very slow on the first lap allowing me sometimes to pass as many as 8 cars on the first lap. Second is at some corners it appears as if they are brake checking me at mid corner and other corners they exhibit a very high level of grip I just cant match allowing them to may times pass me on the outside of a corner. New before you think that I just am not taking the corner optimally let me give you an example. Spa turn 8 I have entered on the inside of the AI car and held my line throughout the corner at the limit of grip only to have the AI car pass me on the outside. I noted their speed through the corner and tried the outside line only to lose grip and 4 wheel drift to the outside or understeer to the outside. I just dont know how they do it.
Agreed! iRacing is really great!!!
I too have a good way to test the AI behavior on these games, do a multi-class race and have the AI be the faster car. AC and ACC are horrible at it, the faster class car dont know how to overtake slower cars or weave through traffic, meanwhile Rf2 and AMS2 AI are just suicidal maniacs, they try overtake slower cars even if they cant make the corner, sometimes they even overtake thru the grass, which is still no good.
I also tried that and yes - it was a shitshow haha. Only sim that managed it well was iRacing also! Thanks for checking out the video! :)
Ams2 AI works far better with medium aggression. I think I've had my most enjoyable and natural feeling battles against AI in Ams2. rF2 can also be pretty good but I find it inconsistent and often it's just plain homicidal. I have AC & ACC but I'm not really a fan of either and consequently have not raced against it's AI.
iRacing AI is just phenomenal. If only the developing company wasn't as greedy with how they monetize the game...
Agree my man! Agree!
i wouldve thought that iracing would be terrible considering its an online focused sim
You'd be pleasantly surprised my dude! :) Thanks for watching!
A little hint for you: Press the number 3 in RF2 a couple of times for switching on the mirrors. They are very well implemented. Best integration of mirrors in sim racing - because you get the side mirrors, too.
Legend you are sir! Didn't know that! :)
@@Harto1 you're welcome mate. But you have to know: they are simulated as side mirrors. You have to know: they are at the axis of the drivers helmet. You cannot see 3m of length of the car. At the beginning, you don't know exactly when the car is next to you. Do you use the crew chief? The free software? If not: This hint is even way better and a must have in sim racing. Because he tells you exactly, if a car is next to you. And he gives you way more information of the race, too.
@@ScholliUlz ah yes I use crew chief, appreciate the help :) Ill give this a try
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Thanks RUclips 👍🏾 😊
Thank YOU Charles! :)
In ACC if you do door banging you loose each time 1 SA. If you race door banging you basically are left racing the AI only as your SA goes to 0. Having said that there is NO racing with ANY banging. Any sims that allows you to train banging is a no go. Every time you bang you damage a half a million dollar car (GT4). There's no banging unless you're so rich as to arrogantly pay for your baning in real life.
Luckily for us there's no need to pay out when we damage the car 🤣🤣
But yeah sucks that SA decreases, but it's all fun 🤘😁
@@Harto1 So race without any contact with ACC AI, and any other. As if you were paying tens of thousands of dollars each time you hit other cars and then re-evaluate the AI.
@@zzmadd so racing drivers should back off 100 meters before a corner and avoid close racing at all costs to avoid financial implications?
Sounds very real to me 🤣
@@Harto1 racing in close proximity should be proportional to proficiency. Say Verstappen can race closer than yourself and myself. The closer you get without proficiency the more you turn racing into slaughtering. Then add the real cost of slaughtering into the low proficiency driver and you see how they immediately start being concerned. That concern is healthy.
AC nr3? Loooooooool buahahhahhaa
iRacing's Road Racing AI is fantastic. The Oval AI, not so much
Yeah yet to try that haha. Thanks for checking out the video dude!
Honestly kinda surprising, since NR2003 is still the gold standard for oval AI, and iRacing is effectively the successor
I don't race oval, but I've heard others say the same. I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to get AI to feel realistic since there is so much strategy involved. They'd also need to factor in things like teams working together. I don't envy the guys working on it, that's for sure.
No gt7 😮
Haha no sir! Strictly PC games on this list :) Although I'm sure GT7 is great with the new Sophy AI!
The aggression slider in ACC is useless. It does nothing, the AI are simply there for visual purposes. I don't do long races on ACC any more as it's simply a parade of differing race lengths. No variety in results, no strategic variety, no mistakes, no battles, nothing. It's my favourite sim but I get bored of it rather quickly.
Exactly buddy, good thing it's online is kicking 😅😅
I think AC ai is more boring than AM2 ai. I love how AM2 ai when set on agressive keep fighting and make it hard for me to pass sometimes. AC ai just hits me in the back and makes me lose control sometimes.
Yeah AC can be a little unpredictable at times 😅😅😅
Thanks for checking out the video 😬🤘
Rfactor 2 ai with tracks mod are pretty bad.
rF2 and LMU are king