Thanks for watching that, I just wanna say quickly since it might be easily missed in the video. I was only ranking the overall feel of the car on the track and what I was experiencing driving the car. If I were to rank the games in order of what I wanna play the most, It would completely be a different ranking. Also as always, these are my opinions, please feel free to give me yours
Can you do a IOS/Android review for simulators I personally enjoy Grid Autosport there are others CarX, real racing and the new F1 that could make for a good content 😊
Your opinions are just that yours, whether we agree or disagree is immaterial at least you have the honesty to say what YOU think and point out other criteria would change the positions.. It's a shame you didn't hold off a bit making this vid, AMS2 has V1.6 incoming, I'm one of the lucky bar stewards who's been beta testing the update since end of April. The amount of work Reiza has put into it is just STAGGERING, graphics upgrades, complete rework of tyre hysteresis, major physics update reducing or removing the floaty slidey feel, HUGE amount of new content, massive AI overhaul, I s**t you not I've had AI overtaking round the outside, retaking positions when I made tiny errors, sneaking up the inside given even a hint of a chance. Reiza's attention to detail is LEGENDARY, to the point that their last precisely scheduled update (where they gave a specific launch date beforehand) some 3 years ago came on a Sunday, it had a major bug, what did Reiza do? Worked all night on a Sunday and released a bugfix in less than 14 hours! From then onwards they dumped the timeline and opted for "we'll release it when it's been PROPERLY tested". They also trawled through the game engine code and corrected a flaw that caused the game to switch between 2 different tyre models leading to random spins for no apparent reason, SMS never bothered to investigate let alone fix this issue, they even went so far as to hire 2 players (Both with engineering degrees) who found a sticky diff issue and resolved it by changing the viscosity of the oil in the differentials. I personally find the custom FFB files massively improve AMS2 and when the guy tuning all the default setups uses them they can't be THAT bad. But then I like feeling engine rpms gear shifts track surface changes etc through the wheelrim... After being bitten hard too often with the promises of SOME developers that turn out to be horse s**t! I now don't pre-order and instead will wait for player reviews or opinions of trusted friends. Looking at SteamDB and epic store (for Rennsport) the player ratings fall like this... AC 92.46% Kept alive by the modding community. ACC 92.30% AMS2 92.22% iRacing 86.23% Rennsport 84% 4.2/5 on Epic store though the actual reviews are hidden, having played it I'd also rate it as bottom of the heap but you can't base a choice on a sample size of 1 person. RFactor2 79.87% Raceroom 74.58% I don't own most of these titles AMS2, Rennsport, AC and Raceroom and for me AMS2 trounces all comers based on value alone. No other sim allows non DLC owners to race on DLC tracks online and in custom championships, only single race, test day and time trial won't let you access them.. AC I enjoyed but got bored with the MP waiting game in the early days and never went back, can't be arsed with all the mods you MUST have either... Raceroom got binned as soon as I realised it was a "here have some s**t cars free but pay up and you too can win races!" model NOPE! Rennsport had my interest till I saw the NFT prices and walked away, yeah I know it's a beta and an early one but like iRacing and RRE? it's just too damned much for what you get imo... ACC is STILL too restricted content wise. RF2 is too old and the janky car setups way beyond real world tuning methods makes it a nope. iRracing is just too damned expensive, if the content was free and the subscription was still in place maybe I'd be interested but no game is worth £2K for all content just to lose all access should your subscription lapse.... But hey that's just me :)
@@matthiasgrunwald895 Which racing drivers is that? Daniel Morad who's won a few local championships but gets roflstomped outside of Canada? ROFLMAO! James Baldwin perhaps? With just 25 races in his career? rf2 has w**k tuning that allows for LUDICROUS setups to win races where in reality the tyres would be smoked inside 6 laps! LMU has player ratings lower than RRE ffs just 74.49% placing it dead last, in the last 30 days they're at 54%! 15 cars and 8 tracks and that's it? Like ACC to restrictive for what it costs £24.99 for the base game £39.99 for 4 tracks and 13 cars? Do me a favour! AMS2 base game has more content than that, in fact the next AMS2 update has more content than the £40 DLC for LMU ffs! I have 27 friends who own LMU and only 3 recommend it 4 hate it, only 8 have played it in the last 2 weeks. Most of them have gone back to AMS2. 90 friends own rF2 only 6 recommend it, one despises it and only 3 have touched it in the last 2 weeks. Most haven't touched in in the last 2 years. Again most are playing AMS2 instead... Several like myself are involved in the Beta testing of AMS2 and are part of the reason for it's increasing player ratings because Reiza listen to the players.... 139 friends own AMS2 39 recommend it not ONE of them has given it a negative review 36 have played it in the last 2 weeks most have played 100's of hours in it... steamdb.info/charts/?compare=365960,1066890,2399420
What players of each racing sim has to say about this video: iRacing player: "iRacing is better becau..*this comment was taken out by a netcode bump Rennsport player: *This comment is available only for owners of at least one Founder's Pack. This comment is currently on open beta and does not reflect how the final version will be ACC player: "ACC is better." RaceRoom player: "It's been 84 years, so I don't even know what to say about it anymore." AMS 2 player: *This comment was promised to launch August 4th 2024, but the day is already over and yet no updates about it from Reiza. But it will become available sooner or later and it will arrive in three parts. rFactor2 player: *To continue reading you need the necessary DLC of all the alphabet letters AC player: *Comment available only through paid mods LMU player: "Do I seem non-existent to you, bro?" I'm a AMS2 player.. Where's v1.6, Reiza?? Even the article about the new stuff is coming in parts..
It might not be the most realistic, but AMS2 is the most fun sim for me, especially in single player. It has so much variety without having to pay a fortune or install a bunch of mods. Looking forward to seeing how the tire model improvements will be in 1.6.
It is much more realistic than Reza is given credit for. Many think that because a car is more difficult to drive it must be accurate, and since the same car might be easier to handle in AMS2, it can't be accurate. However, many sims make the cars handle worse, etc. then their real life counterparts.
Its very fun, particularly in the open wheels! Probably one of, if not, the best looking sim around at the moment especially in wet weather w/lightning (Drive club vibes) I would rank 2nd to RRE for me, personally i think Raceroom is massively overlooked because of its age, they do still drop updates for both FFB/Physics and content whilst working on an entirely new engine that will improve visual fidelity and add things like day/night and rain.
Modded AC is easily the most fun, especially now with LFM support. Best graphics, best feeling physics when driving on the edge, best drift physics, most content, best sounds, most customizability etc. Other sims are for pure racing enthusiasts, AC is for people who love both racing, cars and motorsports in general.
@@FcoEnriquePerez and I completely agree with him, just letting him know that AC has no competition until AC Evo comes out so thus creator of the video did not even include it.
The only problem I have with ac is that I never know whether the game is set up correctly or not. Many Mods of Cars as for example the e92 m3 are pure shit. How can a simple men that spent a lot of free time in a mod know how to make that car realistic and how should we know that as well. Almost all e92 mods drive like shit and give you no information while driving. And then there are super great mods like the gt4 rs that blow your mind but even on that mod after setting the braking pressure down to 80% the tires lock up with almost no braking pressure on your pedals. And that’s on every car in that game. Also that you have for every car mod most of the times exactly the same parameters for the brakes, etc. makes me feel sceptical. I play racing games for a few months now but in ac I feel like the physics are exaggerated. Instant tires lock up while braking, super fast oversteers while accelerating a little bit, so many things to change in content manager so you don’t have a clue how it affects the game and physics and if they are realistic anymore after that, too many shit mods, too many mods in general that I really doubt if they are close to the realistic cars even if the cars drive really good
@@henrik_lamar ac has realistic drive feel. Force feedback is clear and immediate. Now compare this to iracing which has perfect real life braking points, but some cars feel like they're not cars.
rFactor2 is such a ball ache to get going it really put me off. Spent hours just to get into a session and realised I STILL needed to do more setting up to get the car to drive properly! No thanks, I’ll stick with iRacing
This is my exact opinion! The fact the game that I think has the best driving is also the game I want to play the least, really shows how bad the user experience of rfactor is
Took me 3 hours looking tutorials to find good settings and understand how rf2 works, since i’ve enjoy it 1500h, mainly practice for endurances races, i’ve try iracing ACC before rf2 but his ffb and driving connect to the road feeling is incredible.indycar, btcc, porsche cup, endurance have intresting leagues
I personally had no problems settling rF2 up and the force feedback is amazing. However iRacing is a lot better for online racing and in terms of competitiveness. iRacings Force Feedback is also very nice and I feel like the driving is more realistic than in rF2 because it's more consistent. I had problems setting up ACC and I really couldn't enjoy driving in ACC
@@feederunderground Raceroom apparently will get a graphic engine overhaul on 4th september this year 🙂 I just discovered this sim, I'm currently on ACC and AC (and, WRC 23, which is a shitty game in my opinion). I'm testing Raceroom and one the first I noticed (and I look for in a racing game) is the sound engine. I have the same cars in AC, and in Raceroom the engines progression are phenomenal. May be ending buying it just for this reason haha
And gave it low number for the driving and force feedback????? R3E to me is one of the best when comes too how the cars communicate what the cars is and make adjustments on the fly.
Did you update Raceroom before testing? I agree with the graphics part, but handling, force feedback and sound is quite good imo. Something must have gone wrong with your wheel setup when you installed Raceroom.
@@SennlerSimracingJimmy Broadbent praised the feeling and physics of RaceRoom recently in a video where he drove his BMW M4 GT4 around the Nordschleife. Drivers like Tim Heinemann and Moritz Löhner also praise RaceRoom for its physics, yet they are probably far more biased, especially Heinemann who works for KW suspensions, which is the company that bought RaceRoom
rFactor 2 heavily depends on the mod though. The paid cars and tracks are usually a joy to drive, but when you get in a league and they use custom stuff, it can get really, really unrealistic/annoying to drive.
raceroom has got update to the tyre model and the FFB response tells you perfectly what the car is doing. I rank it about the best right now among the games I play just behind RF2. It was basic before the update last year. I dont like how long the tyres stay dirty after a touch of grass or out of track parts. Overall the damage model is pretty forgiving and it feels like a lite simulator, but that just means new racers could find a lot of fun in this to get going.
I agreed with most of the points in this vid except when it came to raceroom which i defo rate way higher and have totally contrasting opinion with regards to the force feedback, driving experience and sound that were ranked here. I find the force feedback subtle but informative and of all these sims gives me the best feeling that only RF2 can compete with. When i combine the feeling of the force feedback with the way the physics handles car to car contact that allows realistic and fun af rubbing and light contact in online multi player it gives me one of the best driving experiences. You're not actually terrified to position your car tactically in a close battle like with i racing where netcode or the slightest of contact generally sends you into the shadow realm.
He looked at the graphics and automatically concluded everything else is basic and dated. Just seeing the "driving" in R3E got same score as Rennsport and "FFB" got even lower score makes me think he just deduces what's better based on preconceptions and graphics. There is no way any half experienced simracer could rate driving in R3E same as Rennsport.
this guy got the settings wrong and he talking about ffb, kinda funny if it locks at that low steering angle then obviously something was bad with the settings
@@georgesummer536 you can set the wheel range and steering angle in the car setup. So probably just set at a bad value. Raceroom is great that it can automatically adjust your wheel bump stops to match the steering range in the setup. I miss that in iracing or I did not find how to do It.
It’s pretty old but GTR 2 has aged really well with the HQ Anniversary patch and Crew Chief. It has the older version of Spa with the bus stop, obviously not a laser scan but very fun. The driving experience holds up well all things considered.
And so has rF1. But rF1 has the same issues as AC, but worse. Imagine shit mods, that will glitch out the game, but all mods have practically been abandoned...
I tried all games in this list, and imo AC+CSP+PURE+LFM beats all of them. Yes, it might be difficult to setup, but it worth it. Force feedback is best, with CSP tweaks even better, graphics are excellent and runs smooth even with mid-range PC(if you now what you doing in settings). For example i have really outdated PC: Ryzen5-4600G gtx1650-4gb 16gb-DDR4 SSD-500GB I buy it for 300EUR. AC with high settings and mid-high CSP and Pure setting and single 60hz 4к HDR 56 inch monitor runs in stable 60fps even in race with 20+ cars In iracing with same setting i have only 40-50fps and in large grid it becomes even worth, rF2 and ACC the same...(And this despite the fact that I have good experience in optimization) LFM provides good online and not only GT3/4 like most of the other sims. You can race TCR, Clio cup, MX5, LMP/GT/ Radicals and more. AC has huge community and tons of guides and discord channels with kind people. Pricing is more reasonable compare to iRacing and rFactor2. It just my personal opinion. *Sorry for my English
AC is still one of the most realistic and even the base content is extremely consistent. RaceRoom is super realistic as well much more than ACC or IRacing to me. I disagree with most of what was in this video but we all have our opinions.
I've just learnt how to do all that this month, what an undertaking it was for someone who avoided computers my whole life lol. Although I still can't get the traffic to work right in the no hesi.
AC is not on this list because the absolute majority of sim racers know AC is on a different league compared to other sims, the fight is only for the second place. Just check active players, AC is in a different stratosphere.
@@viktorianasAC is cheap. That s why there is more player on this game. Once we talk about racing it can not compare to acc nor iracing. There is reason that even rfactor2 has more event on it than AC
seeing the comments, you could make another video : - testing gt3 mod of ac - testing lmu - forza / gt7 - sound of r3e : you should really test the group c or group 5, i cant recommand it more i just giving an idea, it's up to you :)
they're not ready to hear that modern day gt3 abs systems allow real life drivers to brake to 100 percent and trail brake. take James Baldwin for example and just watch his telemetry on the Spa 24h.
@@naezha9703 In real life, there's no such thing as "100% brake" so it doesn't really translate. IRL drivers seem pretty divided over what sim does it better, so I guess it's a matter of opinion.
@@daniel_gray10 can you elaborate as to what you mean by there is no such thing as 100% brake? I understand that it is pressure based but even then gt3 drivers are taught to stomp all the way to get the maximum amount of slow down before they start trailbraking. correct me if I'm wrong
Many real life drivers say different things. Some think iRacing has the best/most realistic driving model (for example Daniel Morad) and some do not. I think this is also personal preference and if you want to know, which is the best for you, you would need to drive a GT3 in rl
Ich habe einen gefragt der schon 4 Jahre in der GT4 und GT3 unterwegs ist, machen sie das auch im IRL das sie so offt bis 100% ABS treten ?? Ausser im Regen da kommt es sehr offt vor, die GT3 und GT4 haben in IRL ganz ein anders ABS System wie ihr echtes KFZ zu Hause in der Garage, es ist stufenlos einstellbar typisch für IRL Gt3 Gt4 usw...
daniel is a awesome streamer and i enjoyed his open minded aproach to simgames, i do think 'driving feel' is not a very technical way to describe what i would call: tire model, suspension model or something like that, i love raceroom and i agree that some of the earlier released cars feel dated but many of the cars they released in recent years feel awesome and defenetly as good as the other sims, for example the porsche carrera the porche 924 and te sirroco are some of my favorites
Cool video. For me, AMS 2 is the most enjoyable, but I'm not into online. The amount of content the game has is staggering if you plop down the money for all the DLC's. I thought ACC was good-looking, but it's a 6/10 in comparison to AMS2 at least on my system. One runs at 70-90 fps and looks like someone smeared Vasoline on my screen, the other at 180 fps while almost looking real when you turn off the HUD. The best part about AMS2 is that it's only getting better every year. You're not buying a dead game like ACC soon will be. Hopefully 1.6 is as good as the people who are testing it are saying.
AMS2 is 60USD + 99USD if you want all of that. Still seems like a money grab to me, and I shelled out the money for it. Also using PC2's engine was a sizable misstep by Rieza, but again just feels like a money grab when you compare it to something like rF2.
@@PJBlick You can get the whole package for 60 or so bucks during Steam sales. If you want to talk money grabs and greedy DLC, look at Le Mans Ultimate. I don't think using the Madness Engine is bad when PC2 had a cult-following already using it. The physics need to be dialed in and it doesn't have as good of FFB as RF2/LMU, but it's gorgeous and runs superbly. I don't think you can compare a dead game like RF2 propped up by modders to a game actually being developed, too.
content? it doesnt even have a single ferrari, the classes it has are just outdated and incomplete, its just a bunch of everything but no depth on anything, and its graphics are overated. It just filtered but the models are more basic than on other sims like acc or lmu, i have ams2 since 2021 but i barely use it, what i do like about it is its historical tracks.
@@k3ntry335maybe not with stock cars but with well made modded cars like the RSS Formula Hybrid or MP-H Bayer no other sim comes close in terms of FFB and physics. AC is still the king and it’s not even close tbh
@@k3ntry335 RF2 is great, but I still think AC has the best feel at the limit of grip. I’m not a drifter, but this why it’s also used by the drifting community.
No Le Mans Ultimate? Oh wait, Merc doesn't have a car in the WEC 😂. Anyway, I love how LMU feels since it's based on RF2, but the online lobbies are not a great experience, and I don't want to race AI drivers. I want to race real drivers and get better.
@@sermusicusa they don't have a lot of content so making more available is very much a W, not an L. It might be called early access, but judging by technical state of it, iRacing should be called early access too.
@@sermusicusa Rennsport too and for 1 car and 1 track it's the price of LMU 4 tracks and 11 cars. and, if you don't want buy 2024 content, you can, you gonna have free GT3 to race with other.
Nice video and ranking....i laughed when you reluctantly picked RF2 as best driving feel....i tell ppl this all the time. Purely in terms of feel, there is none that do it better....and the fact that its code is like decades old is pretty nuts. LMU feel is 95% identical.The rain driving was also the best up until recently with iRacing finally adding it. RF2 is not the easiest to set up in all aspects....the game, the cars, the AI, etc but once you dial it all in the AI is REALLY good and will actually race you, defend into corners, etc. Its truly an awesome experience.
Acc actually has pretty good force feedback if you take the time to set it up right with a high power dd wheelbase. It gives so much detail. But it does feel pretty bad on a lower end wheelbase. Also the default settings don't help the experience
It feels good even on my R5 if you take the time to set it up. Obviously it's going to feel better on a higher power wheelbase, though. But as someone that has only played ACC, this has me curious about how much better Iracing FFB feels. Too bad I don't have hundreds of dollars to find out lol
@@ihavealife002 Well, you can get one month for Iracing for pretty cheap in Epic Store or Steam when on sale. I just would not use my main account because if you want to stick with it, only first time users have a pretty discount. Paid 3 and something euros for 3 months 1 and something years ago from Epic. Tried and took out my doubts. Never returned, not to say it is bad, just expensive and have others.
Yeah I was surprised to see the low rating for ACC. The default settings were certainly underwhelming but after a small amount of tweaking it felt fantastic.
@@ihavealife002 IMHO iRacing is worse than ACC for feedback. When I got to that part of the video , I was like "WTF?!?!". I am currently testing buttkickers/ butt shakers and the amount of info from ACC is significantly greater than that from iRacing. iRacing feels dead comparatively
I liked it better when it was on the 1.8v, before the 1.9v which feedback feels weak....I'm using Thrustmaster TX wheel. I might have too search some RUclips videos to help the settings again.
There is an error in this type of rankings and is that you give the same importance to all categories. In a simulator the most important thing is driving and it cannot carry the same number of points as sound, for example. If you had a simulator that drives 10 points with a sound of 5 points and another mid-arcade simulator that drives 6 points with a sound of 10, the latter would be the winner. Has no sense. I think you have to put a multiplier on each category according to its importance. For example, driving x2, sound x1.0, graphics x1.3 and so on.
Great video! AMS2 is probably one of the best looking especially in the wet weather and having things that some other sims dont such as tracking the dirt back on to the track, after going off. I dont particularly agree with the RRE verdict though, i have tried many sims and RRE is still one of the better feeling ones, its dynamic through the corners and you can feel everything the car is doing fairly well, not to mention it has THE best TCR and DTM racing out there and really good net code and collison detection allowing for some serious door banging. The sounds in RRE i would argue are still some of or if not the best soundingstill to this day, due to its natural bello's and engine sounds it sounds like a proper recording of an engine. The whines and gear clunks, the off track sounds for dirt and rumble strips etc, whereass ACC is overly saturated, full of compression and hard limited which removes a lot of the nuences and dynamics of the frequencies (This is really obvious if you have a studio setup with reference monitors or headphones) Which gives it a nice but really uncanny audio spectrum. Overall though really enjoyed the video, like deployed!
Whenever iceRacing drivers talk about tyre physics i die a little inside :) Don't know if they fixed it by now, but last time i tried iRacing few years ago, the driving physics were the worst of all sims.
This! I have owned multiple sports cars and been to real track days and never crashed. I tried iracing. It is so touchy and the track is so slippery it’s difficult to even make it around a track in one piece, much less compete. It’s a video game, not a sim. If driving a car was as difficult as it is in iracing we would still be using the horse and buggy. Garbage “sim.”
The iceRacing tyre model V6 is not used anymore for actually a few years now. It has gotten much better now and imo it has now one of the best driving physics (I haven't driven AMS2 yet)
No it still sucks. You're still on ice. And yes to the comment about real racing. Feelings nothing like iracing... They've never raced a car even on the street probably. It's a joke.
@@overbuiltlimitedit's a money grab. For them. Everything costs money. Plus a subscription. It's a waste. How people play that is beyond me. Id rather spend the money on a real car and take it to my local drag strip 😂
RaceRoom one of the best AI and sound. ACC bestt GT3/4 but that's all. And a handfull of tracks. AMS2 nice graphics, best VR, good AI but still not there. RF2 good tyre physics, some cars are very good but chaotic UI. IRacing not so good physics but best online, of course. Some cars are good, but some others are like racing on ice. Almost forgot, the AI is excellent. Oh and the rain. They discovered rain more than 20 years later than GP3. Really hilarious. AC best graphics, mods and weather system. It's virtually possible to set up any race in any track with any car. AI is terrible but with a lot of work can be fixed. And you didn't mention the great GPL, NR2003, GTR2 or the more recent rally games.
I still drive several driving sims and for different reasons. But I keep coming back to and spend the most time in rf2. It just feels the most real and comnected to the road for me. It also helps that I race online with some of the great vintage content. But I'm also happy to admit lots of the other sims have their strengths and may feel better for other people. There's a lot of different driving styles, sim equipment, PC specs, game content, and expectations from players; so it's very unlikely that one sim will be the best for everyone. Enjoy what you enjoy people 😀
The cockpit in ACC is locked because Lock to Horizon is 0%. If you set it to 100%, the track doesn't bounce, but the cockpit does. In between settings allow each to move in the proportion you like. If that's not good enough, there is Real Head Motion, an aftermarket app, that claims to technically mimic the human experience.
AM2 it's the best by far if you don't want to pay Iracing subscription. I love that the cars are already with good setups not like many other sims that give you undrivable stock cars.
Ask yourselves why are we here? I've been around since the Ark and for me rFactor 2 is where it's at if you care about realism and driving. They nailed it and until something new comes along...... Who cares about graphics and menus?
After Iracing, it is quite difficult to find a sim with a good braking/trail braking/realistic experience....If competizione get better with the brake issue would be great. Iracing need to get better with the tire model(over heat/cold).
Quite the opposite actually. iRacing is awesome at doing non-ABS or old ABS cars. But the current GT3 ABS is so absurdly good that drivers pretty much stomp on brakes and then trail.., like in ACC. It's not the issue, both TC and ABS modelling in ACC is quite more sophisticated than any other sim. Otherwise raw driving is better on iRacing.
The fastest way to drive a GT3 in Iracing is to be smooth, progressive braking not stomping it and then trail braking, same goes for turning in, u don't throw it into the corners either
@@melone8833 but in a real GT3 car they stomp it hard as they can even in Formula car but not to lock the wheel , I have friend who is GT3 driver and sometime i follow him to the Track
That's actually Raidillion up over the top where you were 'running off' in ACC before using another try. Eau Rouge is only the kink at the bottom of the climb over the hill.
Raceroom was the updated/more arcade sim experience GTR2 Version :D It come out around 2013 and was the antagonist of Rfactor 2, but i never liked it as much as GTR2 which in my opinion remains one of the best SIMs of all time
14/14 video, since starting I've mainly been on iRacing but I might have to give some of the others a go now to compliment! Cheers. Look forward to your next video next week 😉
You just shouldn't play this comedy with the points, as it feels like you decided about the ranking, than tried to reason it afterwards. You also failed to mention the pricing and the user friendliness - the first, just disqualify iracing for many of us with the 2000+ dollars content price and the monthly fee on top of that, and the second makes Rf2 unpopular and unplayed, so ACC, AC and AMS2 _are_ the best games for the most. Also, there is Gt7, which entertains masses with simracing-like activity, and with all its flaws, that could be in the midfield easily with good graphics, decent sound and at least mediocre physics model.
I own all of them and have at least over 100 hours in each. In some, like ACC or rFactor 2, I have +800 hours. I've never driven a race car, but I have watched tons of onboard footage of real racing in different categories. Judging by how real drivers react, specially the micro corrections mid corner, I can tell that simracing community has a huge bias about how a "realistic" game should feel. Difficult and unforgiving doesn't mean realistic. iRacing doesn't correlate at all with real onboard footage. Inputs have to be too smooth with minimal corrections. Never push the car to the grip limit or will become umpredictable so you barely will see micro corrections in this game. ACC and RaceRoom come second worse, specially for its super numb and understeery feel. Then, rFactor 2, LMU and AMS2 are doing a good job overall. You can feel and control the car's rotation at corner entry and mid corner, exactly how it looks in reality.
I agree. Most sims look and feel hugely realistic up to the point of losing grip. However, it's hard to translate this into sims. In a real car you can feel it coming and you have more time to play with grip. In a sim you only have tire noice and force feedback, which isn't enough. I believe they've got the physics on point, but for a sim racer losing grip almost comes without warning.
@@bastiaan-st This can be achieved with force feedback with seat of the pants effects. Some sims have been doing that or there's mods for some sims to adjust this parameter. The problem is some developers think that adding "artificial" forces to the wheel is not realistic so they don't allow this settings to be modified, which in my opinion is absurd.
Why you are testing Rennsport instead of LMU (Le Mans Ultimate)? Rennsport is still beta and today we don't know if Rennsport will be more a simulation or rather an arcade game. Furthermore statements regarding the AI, the amount of online opponents / online servers and outstanding features (watch function in iRacing, amount of possible HUD Displays / Overlays) would have been helpful.
The title of best FFB, connection to the road and natural feel of driving definetely belongs to Assetto Corsa. It's just spot on. Most games has weak spots, where you have to calculate what to do in certain situations, which is more or less annoying, while in AC you just react instinctively and can't blame the game for the mistakes you make. But no game is perfect and AC can't take the title for being the most serious sim racing game. It's a playground for carlovers and in my opinion the best overall sim racing game, because it's just great and fun to play.
I personally think that 🤔 you didn't take the time to dail each game to its best .... at least as far as ffb .... and I've never had any stutters on ACC.....
I am going to have to give RF2 another go. I would like to race I racing, but I had it free for 3 months and was lucky if I put in 12 hours, and currently my time behind the sim wheel has been less. It is not worth $150 or so a year for maybe 15 to 20 hours I can devote. And even though I have been sim racing since the mid 90s with a Thruatmaster Formula T1, with Papyrus Indycar and NASCAR, I don't devote enough time to be a good enough driver to compete in online racing. I do it for a hobby and am perfectly fine going up against AI racers.
raceroom just dropped a new update featuring it drastic change in graphics, sound quality and etc. it will be better if you guys check it out because its a F2P game, you dont wanna sleep on it.
I love AC and LMU, but I didnt think including AC with mods would be fair, even though its amazing, and LMU doesn't have GT3's to compare yet... coming soon though!
@@daniel_gray10 Fair. I think with the caveat of mods it'd be nice to have AC and LMU to complete the picture (once LMU has GT3s obviously). Once my new gear arrives I'll be plucking another sim from Steam (mostly rF2, LMU, DR2 at the moment). Thinking of picking up AMS2 and keeping a close eye on the 1.6 update (I tried it a couple of years ago and it was terrible but things change). Thanks again. Subbed. Keep 'em coming!
Also totally get the internal conflict you had with rF2! Made me laugh! I endure it as I like the driving feeling but appreciate that a lot of people are not willing to go through the pain for a few laps of pure joy, sometimes! Hopefully LMU can rectify that.
rf2 is a great Sim, but sadly it is extremely buggy. I do rarely experience any race without some kind of more or less severe bug impacting the results. My advice to everyone starting with simracing: get Assetto Corsa. It is cheap and a really good base espe ially with all the possibilities modding gives you. Try all the addons like Content Manager, Sol and CSP and you will live this sim. Just one more advice: stay away from SimDream when it comes to mods, they rip other authors work off other games and sell bad AC conversions of them. Better trust Overtake for proper quality (free) mods.
It is horrible advice to start journey with simracing with Assetto Corsa, on top of learning to drive, setting up your gaming gear you get headache of sorting out, downloading and configuring all of the mods. Don't get me wrong, I love Assetto Corsa, and I race it online via WSS, but it is the last thing I would recommend as starting point. For me, if someone is totally new when it comes to simracing the best starting point is... F1 series. And I am not kidding. It is complete package, it learns you basics of racing via built-in tutorials, gives you immersion and feeling of racing and when you get the basics you can jump to more advanced sims. F1 won't make you feel overwhelmed if you are completely new to this type of hobby.
@@DS-md7mz ? the mayority of mods are highly focused on graphics u can still compare the game. by ur logic AC experience is bad with out the mods?(90%graphics) that does not make any sense. with out mods yeah the game looks bad has decent sounding cars, very good driving feeling, a lot of variation of cars and a nice amount of tracks.
@@DS-md7mz But this guy here is a simracing youtuber and not even mentioning AC here is a joke to be honest. Vanilla or modded, it doesn't matter. Btw AC is also in LFM so it is used for serious racing.
When I was on the G29 I was not a big fan of ACC's feedback but loved AMS2's, now that I've got a DD it's the other way around. In AMS2 in my experience the wheel feels heavy immediately when you start turning which helps deal with its oversteery nature with a weak wheel like the G29, but with a DD it sort of feels over the top and I don't get a lot of detail from it.
No way is AMS2 better looking than ACC. In ACC if you disable fog and increase image resolution it looks phenomenal. The fog and default res scaling is the cause for grainy look.
I agree 100%, whereas ACC looks like real life, AMS2 looks still like a game, this is so big difference. ACC is so much more advanced in graphics and sound, too.
I tried Rennsport recently and I couldn't believe what I was feeling in my wheel. My FFB experience was a 1 out of 10 with my CSL Elite. It was so bad that I coudln't even drive straight cause of how jerky it was. As soon as my wheel is 1 degree to the left or right the force feedback pulls you to the other side. Maybe could have put a deadzone but it's still very odd to me.
The 6 games he played are the curent top crop from each developer that is out wise is also the most likely to be played by either a noob or pro also I think he was trying to not mod these games
yes, by far the best FFB and direct connection to the car, but absolut the worst graphic ever, it looks 20 years old in VR, absolut crap :( I Wish that they will bring complete new graphic engine!
I only run AC and ACC. I have a 2018 Mustang GT350 modified for the track, and these two are very close to what I experienced in the real car. That said, besides learning a track and learning car control, Any sim game is like a Hollywood movie, It’s based on a true story. Not an Iracing fan or RF2, neither made me want to keep coming back to them. ACC has a sense of challenge and reward more than any of the others. JMO.
I expected ams2 to be higher. Its very immersive and i have a TGT-2 and its not fully supported yet it feels very good on it. Also when driving in VR, it feels just so realistic and everything.
I choose ACC over IRacing for the simple fact that it’s not a money pit. You don’t have to pay for the cars you want to drive you don’t have to pay for the tracks you don’t have to pay for a subscription. Iracing to me has rng handling in my experience. Unpredictable handling much like Forza Motorsport with its snap oversteer out of nowhere.
Great video. When I want to race online I play iRacing When I want to race mates AMS2 When I want to race mates while driving a T-Rex or shopping trollley we race AC
Iracing 5/10 graphic wise was an instant like. Atleast most of you iracing guys realize your paying for PEACE & Privacy on there. Its the California of sim racers but yet they don't upgrade the graphics, I'm sure its a great racing experience but idk if its worth the money. Like at all.
I've had some of my best races in RF2 and it's still my top sim, it's just too bad that the game so good has issues that prevented it from hosting virtual Le Mans without issues and has various others gremlins. I keep AMS2 around for singleplayer, but honestly I wish AI was somewhat better for that.
I agree with your ACC review. I love the tire model and sound in ACC but I MUCH prefer iracing braking over ACC all day long. With that said being locked to GT3 (I know they have GT2 and GT4) is why I play iracing and rarely play ACC
My ranking...RF2, AMS2, ACC/AMS tie, RR, LMU/Rennsport tie...teething pains, AC (gorgeous looking but I don't like the driving feel). Iracing (not ranked because I don't play it)
I play rFactor2 for Kart Sim Pro only but I agree I think it's a better game in every way than iRacing except for the sound (Kart Sim curbs sound like Outrun) and online play. I think rFactor and iRacing both have very good force feedback. I actually don't like iRacing. I joined only 3 months ago and the graphics I would have scored lower. Particularly the track furniture, tyre barriers for example are often hexagons not circles, maybe they were really badly flat spotted before being thrown on, but when you said it has like "real simulator" graphics that is exactly what I think it is. I race in VR and so my graphics are turned down a smidge to get 90fps locked. Annoyingly despite not liking the game, it's essentially the only one I now play aside from kart practice in prep for IRL karting. The game could be utter garbage, but I can get in a real race every hour and that feeling lining up with other real drivers is intoxicating. The nerves and the sweat, the fear I'm getting taken out and a 4x inc point at turn 1. It frustrates me because I can't work out how to be fully competitive, and yet I sign up the next hour to see if I can just improve slightly. My number 1 though is simple. Assetto Corsa + Custom Shader Patch + Pure. Graphically amazing, cars I drive feel great (mostly from RSS), FFB seems to sit somewhere between iRacing and rFactor, I can create any combination of track and car I like such is the strength of modding. Basically no real online, at least not simple click to start like you get with iRacing. Last side note, I was doing daily races in GT7 and I loved the competition and I seemed to be more competitive there than I am in iRacing, but iRacing wins because I can do a full season and have a position in the season standings. It's the same car just a different circuit each week rather than a random car and circuit combo and the races in iRacing matter for the season.
Good video, only disappointment for me is that you didn't penalise RF2 for its age as much as you did iRacing or R3E; for me RF2 is the most basic looking, very 16 bit. It has decent physics, especially the tyre model, but I don't like the FFB much at all, it has too much canned road noise for my taste....but that's the thing which makes this kind of content interesting: we all experience SIMS differently & we're lucky to have a great choice these days :)
Racing sim - iRacing by far despite its many issues GT3 sim - ACC by far despite its many issues Most fun - og AC by far it has no issues just a perfect baby i promise
Hi thanks for the report on these Sim racers. I really like AC with Content manager and find the force feedback excellent. What's your assessment of AC . I have just downloaded the update for RaceRoom but never raced online in it. I only have the four free tracks and limited cars available. Thinking of buying a couple of more tracks and the Ferrari 296 that I drive in ACC. Any thoughts or advice. Thanks and best wishes Brian aka g0rlbm.
people who haven't driven an actual GT car will never know that rfactor 2 hands down has the best physics of any sim, there's a reason why almost every professional motorsports team uses a derivative of rfactor as their official testing sim. It far and away feels way more realistic than any other sim. Its a shame that the online experience is bad though (with the exception of LFM). For that, iracing will always be on top. I just wish iracing had rfactor 2 physics and ffb.
Iracing for asphalt ovals is the standard in nascar. Not surprising when you consider the company that became iracing started out by making the most realistic nascar games. Seems like Rfactor has the same level of quality of physics for road that iracing does for ovals
i dont think you need to drive a real gt3 car. This summer was my first time ever on a real track, with a 991 gt3rs, 2015 mustang gt, and a gr86 cup car, and my list for driving feel would be rF2 > AC (as long as you dont hit curbs) > iRacing
All i can say is damn AMS2 looks good 😳 (never played it) Also dont understand that people say ACC looks good. Worst realistic graphics feel imo from all listed games. Also AC1 should be on the number 1 spot.
Thanks for watching that, I just wanna say quickly since it might be easily missed in the video.
I was only ranking the overall feel of the car on the track and what I was experiencing driving the car.
If I were to rank the games in order of what I wanna play the most, It would completely be a different ranking.
Also as always, these are my opinions, please feel free to give me yours
LMU and rF2 are KING!
Real racedrivers have confirmed this!
Can you do a IOS/Android review for simulators I personally enjoy Grid Autosport there are others CarX, real racing and the new F1 that could make for a good content 😊
Your opinions are just that yours, whether we agree or disagree is immaterial at least you have the honesty to say what YOU think and point out other criteria would change the positions..
It's a shame you didn't hold off a bit making this vid, AMS2 has V1.6 incoming, I'm one of the lucky bar stewards who's been beta testing the update since end of April.
The amount of work Reiza has put into it is just STAGGERING, graphics upgrades, complete rework of tyre hysteresis, major physics update reducing or removing the floaty slidey feel, HUGE amount of new content, massive AI overhaul, I s**t you not I've had AI overtaking round the outside, retaking positions when I made tiny errors, sneaking up the inside given even a hint of a chance.
Reiza's attention to detail is LEGENDARY, to the point that their last precisely scheduled update (where they gave a specific launch date beforehand) some 3 years ago came on a Sunday, it had a major bug, what did Reiza do? Worked all night on a Sunday and released a bugfix in less than 14 hours!
From then onwards they dumped the timeline and opted for "we'll release it when it's been PROPERLY tested".
They also trawled through the game engine code and corrected a flaw that caused the game to switch between 2 different tyre models leading to random spins for no apparent reason, SMS never bothered to investigate let alone fix this issue, they even went so far as to hire 2 players (Both with engineering degrees) who found a sticky diff issue and resolved it by changing the viscosity of the oil in the differentials.
I personally find the custom FFB files massively improve AMS2 and when the guy tuning all the default setups uses them they can't be THAT bad. But then I like feeling engine rpms gear shifts track surface changes etc through the wheelrim...
After being bitten hard too often with the promises of SOME developers that turn out to be horse s**t! I now don't pre-order and instead will wait for player reviews or opinions of trusted friends. Looking at SteamDB and epic store (for Rennsport) the player ratings fall like this...
AC 92.46% Kept alive by the modding community.
ACC 92.30%
AMS2 92.22%
iRacing 86.23%
Rennsport 84% 4.2/5 on Epic store though the actual reviews are hidden, having played it I'd also rate it as bottom of the heap but you can't base a choice on a sample size of 1 person.
RFactor2 79.87%
Raceroom 74.58%
I don't own most of these titles AMS2, Rennsport, AC and Raceroom and for me AMS2 trounces all comers based on value alone. No other sim allows non DLC owners to race on DLC tracks online and in custom championships, only single race, test day and time trial won't let you access them..
AC I enjoyed but got bored with the MP waiting game in the early days and never went back, can't be arsed with all the mods you MUST have either...
Raceroom got binned as soon as I realised it was a "here have some s**t cars free but pay up and you too can win races!" model NOPE!
Rennsport had my interest till I saw the NFT prices and walked away, yeah I know it's a beta and an early one but like iRacing and RRE? it's just too damned much for what you get imo...
ACC is STILL too restricted content wise.
RF2 is too old and the janky car setups way beyond real world tuning methods makes it a nope.
iRracing is just too damned expensive, if the content was free and the subscription was still in place maybe I'd be interested but no game is worth £2K for all content just to lose all access should your subscription lapse....
But hey that's just me :)
@@SRS13Rastus LMU and rF2 are KING!
Real racedrivers have confirmed this!!
@@matthiasgrunwald895 Which racing drivers is that? Daniel Morad who's won a few local championships but gets roflstomped outside of Canada? ROFLMAO!
James Baldwin perhaps? With just 25 races in his career?
rf2 has w**k tuning that allows for LUDICROUS setups to win races where in reality the tyres would be smoked inside 6 laps!
LMU has player ratings lower than RRE ffs just 74.49% placing it dead last, in the last 30 days they're at 54%! 15 cars and 8 tracks and that's it?
Like ACC to restrictive for what it costs £24.99 for the base game £39.99 for 4 tracks and 13 cars? Do me a favour! AMS2 base game has more content than that, in fact the next AMS2 update has more content than the £40 DLC for LMU ffs!
I have 27 friends who own LMU and only 3 recommend it 4 hate it, only 8 have played it in the last 2 weeks. Most of them have gone back to AMS2.
90 friends own rF2 only 6 recommend it, one despises it and only 3 have touched it in the last 2 weeks. Most haven't touched in in the last 2 years. Again most are playing AMS2 instead...
Several like myself are involved in the Beta testing of AMS2 and are part of the reason for it's increasing player ratings because Reiza listen to the players....
139 friends own AMS2 39 recommend it not ONE of them has given it a negative review 36 have played it in the last 2 weeks most have played 100's of hours in it...
steamdb.info/charts/?compare=365960,1066890,2399420
What players of each racing sim has to say about this video:
iRacing player: "iRacing is better becau..*this comment was taken out by a netcode bump
Rennsport player: *This comment is available only for owners of at least one Founder's Pack. This comment is currently on open beta and does not reflect how the final version will be
ACC player: "ACC is better."
RaceRoom player: "It's been 84 years, so I don't even know what to say about it anymore."
AMS 2 player: *This comment was promised to launch August 4th 2024, but the day is already over and yet no updates about it from Reiza.
But it will become available sooner or later and it will arrive in three parts.
rFactor2 player: *To continue reading you need the necessary DLC of all the alphabet letters
AC player: *Comment available only through paid mods
LMU player: "Do I seem non-existent to you, bro?"
I'm a AMS2 player.. Where's v1.6, Reiza?? Even the article about the new stuff is coming in parts..
Okay, this is an awesome comment! 😂Deserves to be pinned LOL
Bro, 1.6 is massive and its coming at the end of this month. I don’t get where this slander is coming from
1.6 soon. my fav too
best comment ever !
You're Right...ACC is Better! ;)
It might not be the most realistic, but AMS2 is the most fun sim for me, especially in single player. It has so much variety without having to pay a fortune or install a bunch of mods. Looking forward to seeing how the tire model improvements will be in 1.6.
Agreed. I'd rank it first or second of this bunch
It is much more realistic than Reza is given credit for. Many think that because a car is more difficult to drive it must be accurate, and since the same car might be easier to handle in AMS2, it can't be accurate. However, many sims make the cars handle worse, etc. then their real life counterparts.
Its very fun, particularly in the open wheels! Probably one of, if not, the best looking sim around at the moment especially in wet weather w/lightning (Drive club vibes) I would rank 2nd to RRE for me, personally i think Raceroom is massively overlooked because of its age, they do still drop updates for both FFB/Physics and content whilst working on an entirely new engine that will improve visual fidelity and add things like day/night and rain.
@@bobboberton1841 Very true! Gamermuscle was talking about this recently, infact he brings it up at somepoint in every stream i swear lol
@@bobboberton1841 This is not a case here. Easier or harder to drive. There is little wrong feeling, or lag, or softyness with FF.
Modded AC is easily the most fun, especially now with LFM support. Best graphics, best feeling physics when driving on the edge, best drift physics, most content, best sounds, most customizability etc. Other sims are for pure racing enthusiasts, AC is for people who love both racing, cars and motorsports in general.
Dude, relax. It's kinda a consensus that modded AC is the undisputed king, he is making video to evaluate who takes the 2nd place.
@@viktorianas He just made a normal comment about AC and why he thinks is the best. You relax lol
@@FcoEnriquePerez and I completely agree with him, just letting him know that AC has no competition until AC Evo comes out so thus creator of the video did not even include it.
The only problem I have with ac is that I never know whether the game is set up correctly or not.
Many Mods of Cars as for example the e92 m3 are pure shit.
How can a simple men that spent a lot of free time in a mod know how to make that car realistic and how should we know that as well. Almost all e92 mods drive like shit and give you no information while driving.
And then there are super great mods like the gt4 rs that blow your mind but even on that mod after setting the braking pressure down to 80% the tires lock up with almost no braking pressure on your pedals. And that’s on every car in that game.
Also that you have for every car mod most of the times exactly the same parameters for the brakes, etc. makes me feel sceptical.
I play racing games for a few months now but in ac I feel like the physics are exaggerated.
Instant tires lock up while braking, super fast oversteers while accelerating a little bit, so many things to change in content manager so you don’t have a clue how it affects the game and physics and if they are realistic anymore after that, too many shit mods, too many mods in general that I really doubt if they are close to the realistic cars even if the cars drive really good
@@henrik_lamar ac has realistic drive feel. Force feedback is clear and immediate. Now compare this to iracing which has perfect real life braking points, but some cars feel like they're not cars.
rFactor2 is such a ball ache to get going it really put me off. Spent hours just to get into a session and realised I STILL needed to do more setting up to get the car to drive properly! No thanks, I’ll stick with iRacing
This is my exact opinion! The fact the game that I think has the best driving is also the game I want to play the least, really shows how bad the user experience of rfactor is
Hours? Ridiculous.
Rf2 is the closest thing to a real sim (only when using DLC, most mods are crap), Iracing is a good game.
Rf2 is king!
Took me 3 hours looking tutorials to find good settings and understand how rf2 works, since i’ve enjoy it 1500h, mainly practice for endurances races, i’ve try iracing ACC before rf2 but his ffb and driving connect to the road feeling is incredible.indycar, btcc, porsche cup, endurance have intresting leagues
I personally had no problems settling rF2 up and the force feedback is amazing. However iRacing is a lot better for online racing and in terms of competitiveness. iRacings Force Feedback is also very nice and I feel like the driving is more realistic than in rF2 because it's more consistent. I had problems setting up ACC and I really couldn't enjoy driving in ACC
raceroom and sound six of ten? seriously? The one sim with the most gorgeous engine sounds? I start this game from time to time only for the audio...
i was going to say the same, i can understand the dated graphic engine, but seriously, sound should have been 20 out 10, it's just gorgeous...
@@feederunderground Raceroom apparently will get a graphic engine overhaul on 4th september this year 🙂
I just discovered this sim, I'm currently on ACC and AC (and, WRC 23, which is a shitty game in my opinion).
I'm testing Raceroom and one the first I noticed (and I look for in a racing game) is the sound engine.
I have the same cars in AC, and in Raceroom the engines progression are phenomenal.
May be ending buying it just for this reason haha
And gave it low number for the driving and force feedback????? R3E to me is one of the best when comes too how the cars communicate what the cars is and make adjustments on the fly.
Race room is amazing 🥳👍
Raceroom is amazing! Graphics I Agree, but FFB is amazing, sound amazing, this guy tested older RRE, not RRE 2024! Lolll
ACC you can change the camera to lock to the horizon and adjust it on a scale .Game changer
It still doesn't behave like the other games, but I did come across the real head movement mod that fixed it! Shame I needed a mod for it
@@daniel_gray10 Yeah, this mod is a must have, personally can't drive acc without it!
I recently installed to ACC the Real Head Movement mod, and now it's so much better.
What about AC?
Where do I find this mod? @@daniel_gray10
"With that being said......"
The mating call of every RUclips reviewer.
Did you update Raceroom before testing? I agree with the graphics part, but handling, force feedback and sound is quite good imo. Something must have gone wrong with your wheel setup when you installed Raceroom.
What do you mean "update raceroom"? You can't launch the game in steam without it being updated. Unless you do it on purpose, but that makes no sense
maybe he used older car?
Exactly what I thought about RRE. Sound and Driving is at least at level of iracing and much better than ACC tbh
@@SennlerSimracingJimmy Broadbent praised the feeling and physics of RaceRoom recently in a video where he drove his BMW M4 GT4 around the Nordschleife. Drivers like Tim Heinemann and Moritz Löhner also praise RaceRoom for its physics, yet they are probably far more biased, especially Heinemann who works for KW suspensions, which is the company that bought RaceRoom
I rate this video at 3/10 - basic
rFactor 2 heavily depends on the mod though. The paid cars and tracks are usually a joy to drive, but when you get in a league and they use custom stuff, it can get really, really unrealistic/annoying to drive.
raceroom has got update to the tyre model and the FFB response tells you perfectly what the car is doing. I rank it about the best right now among the games I play just behind RF2. It was basic before the update last year. I dont like how long the tyres stay dirty after a touch of grass or out of track parts.
Overall the damage model is pretty forgiving and it feels like a lite simulator, but that just means new racers could find a lot of fun in this to get going.
I agreed with most of the points in this vid except when it came to raceroom which i defo rate way higher and have totally contrasting opinion with regards to the force feedback, driving experience and sound that were ranked here.
I find the force feedback subtle but informative and of all these sims gives me the best feeling that only RF2 can compete with.
When i combine the feeling of the force feedback with the way the physics handles car to car contact that allows realistic and fun af rubbing and light contact in online multi player it gives me one of the best driving experiences. You're not actually terrified to position your car tactically in a close battle like with i racing where netcode or the slightest of contact generally sends you into the shadow realm.
I feel like the dude is trolling tbh. "Dated", 'Basic'. Idk man 😂
He looked at the graphics and automatically concluded everything else is basic and dated. Just seeing the "driving" in R3E got same score as Rennsport and "FFB" got even lower score makes me think he just deduces what's better based on preconceptions and graphics. There is no way any half experienced simracer could rate driving in R3E same as Rennsport.
this guy got the settings wrong and he talking about ffb, kinda funny
if it locks at that low steering angle then obviously something was bad with the settings
@@georgesummer536 you can set the wheel range and steering angle in the car setup. So probably just set at a bad value. Raceroom is great that it can automatically adjust your wheel bump stops to match the steering range in the setup. I miss that in iracing or I did not find how to do It.
For graphics I'd give iracing 10/10 - if I was living in 2005.
i would give iracing max a 2 of 10 in graphics. looking like GTA san andreas xD
I racing looks like a playstation2 game compared to ACC
@@robpesantezza5285don’t understand this. Acc is flashy but looks worse, studders, and AA is not good either. This is on triple 1440p on a 4080rtx.
Yes low end gfx keeps it accessible to the masses I suppose. 💵
I agree with most of your rankings but I'm surprised that you included Rennsport but not LeMans Ultimate
Good point. Both should be excluded in this.
well, le mans is littery rf2, and it is on his early access phase so...
LMU is amazing, but the game doesn’t have GT3’s (yet) to compare to the other sims
Educated man you are@@SlowPokeRacing33
@@daniel_gray10wish gtr2, nr2003 and other older sims were included
It’s pretty old but GTR 2 has aged really well with the HQ Anniversary patch and Crew Chief. It has the older version of Spa with the bus stop, obviously not a laser scan but very fun. The driving experience holds up well all things considered.
And so has rF1. But rF1 has the same issues as AC, but worse. Imagine shit mods, that will glitch out the game, but all mods have practically been abandoned...
I tried all games in this list, and imo AC+CSP+PURE+LFM beats all of them.
Yes, it might be difficult to setup, but it worth it.
Force feedback is best, with CSP tweaks even better, graphics are excellent and runs smooth even with mid-range PC(if you now what you doing in settings).
For example i have really outdated PC:
Ryzen5-4600G
gtx1650-4gb
16gb-DDR4
SSD-500GB
I buy it for 300EUR.
AC with high settings and mid-high CSP and Pure setting and single 60hz 4к HDR 56 inch monitor runs in stable 60fps even in race with 20+ cars
In iracing with same setting i have only 40-50fps and in large grid it becomes even worth, rF2 and ACC the same...(And this despite the fact that I have good experience in optimization)
LFM provides good online and not only GT3/4 like most of the other sims. You can race TCR, Clio cup, MX5, LMP/GT/ Radicals and more.
AC has huge community and tons of guides and discord channels with kind people.
Pricing is more reasonable compare to iRacing and rFactor2.
It just my personal opinion.
*Sorry for my English
AC is still one of the most realistic and even the base content is extremely consistent. RaceRoom is super realistic as well much more than ACC or IRacing to me. I disagree with most of what was in this video but we all have our opinions.
I agree. And on top of that if you get some high quality car mods (like VRC or RSS) it is by far the most enjoyable racing sim I have played.
I've just learnt how to do all that this month, what an undertaking it was for someone who avoided computers my whole life lol. Although I still can't get the traffic to work right in the no hesi.
AC is not on this list because the absolute majority of sim racers know AC is on a different league compared to other sims, the fight is only for the second place. Just check active players, AC is in a different stratosphere.
@@viktorianasAC is cheap. That s why there is more player on this game. Once we talk about racing it can not compare to acc nor iracing. There is reason that even rfactor2 has more event on it than AC
seeing the comments, you could make another video :
- testing gt3 mod of ac
- testing lmu
- forza / gt7
- sound of r3e : you should really test the group c or group 5, i cant recommand it more
i just giving an idea, it's up to you :)
Mario Kart Wii with the wiimote wheel > Rocket League > iRacing
Most correct take
LMAO 😅
You may want to come back to AMS2 as the tyres and physics are getting an overhaul and V1.6 will be out soon.
@@TOCA2FREAK AMS2 is getting an overhaul for the last 3 years 😂
@@HDRGamingHub and iRacing for the last 20. So what?
@@Ho3n3r Iracing is also shite mate. Some cars feel like you drive on ice and the net code is the worst in any sim.
Acc is actually really good, tons of gt3 drivers have said it's the most accurate depiction for that category of cars especially the braking
they're not ready to hear that modern day gt3 abs systems allow real life drivers to brake to 100 percent and trail brake. take James Baldwin for example and just watch his telemetry on the Spa 24h.
@@naezha9703 In real life, there's no such thing as "100% brake" so it doesn't really translate. IRL drivers seem pretty divided over what sim does it better, so I guess it's a matter of opinion.
@@daniel_gray10 can you elaborate as to what you mean by there is no such thing as 100% brake? I understand that it is pressure based but even then gt3 drivers are taught to stomp all the way to get the maximum amount of slow down before they start trailbraking. correct me if I'm wrong
Many real life drivers say different things. Some think iRacing has the best/most realistic driving model (for example Daniel Morad) and some do not. I think this is also personal preference and if you want to know, which is the best for you, you would need to drive a GT3 in rl
Ich habe einen gefragt der schon 4 Jahre in der GT4 und GT3 unterwegs ist, machen sie das auch im IRL das sie so offt bis 100% ABS treten ?? Ausser im Regen da kommt es sehr offt vor, die GT3 und GT4 haben in IRL ganz ein anders ABS System wie ihr echtes KFZ zu Hause in der Garage, es ist stufenlos einstellbar typisch für IRL Gt3 Gt4 usw...
daniel is a awesome streamer and i enjoyed his open minded aproach to simgames, i do think 'driving feel' is not a very technical way to describe what i would call: tire model, suspension model or something like that, i love raceroom and i agree that some of the earlier released cars feel dated but many of the cars they released in recent years feel awesome and defenetly as good as the other sims, for example the porsche carrera the porche 924 and te sirroco are some of my favorites
appreciate your thoughts, over one lap I couldn't really get as technical as i wanted, but I agree with most of your points
Cool video. For me, AMS 2 is the most enjoyable, but I'm not into online. The amount of content the game has is staggering if you plop down the money for all the DLC's. I thought ACC was good-looking, but it's a 6/10 in comparison to AMS2 at least on my system. One runs at 70-90 fps and looks like someone smeared Vasoline on my screen, the other at 180 fps while almost looking real when you turn off the HUD. The best part about AMS2 is that it's only getting better every year. You're not buying a dead game like ACC soon will be. Hopefully 1.6 is as good as the people who are testing it are saying.
AMS2 is 60USD + 99USD if you want all of that. Still seems like a money grab to me, and I shelled out the money for it. Also using PC2's engine was a sizable misstep by Rieza, but again just feels like a money grab when you compare it to something like rF2.
@@PJBlick You can get the whole package for 60 or so bucks during Steam sales. If you want to talk money grabs and greedy DLC, look at Le Mans Ultimate. I don't think using the Madness Engine is bad when PC2 had a cult-following already using it. The physics need to be dialed in and it doesn't have as good of FFB as RF2/LMU, but it's gorgeous and runs superbly. I don't think you can compare a dead game like RF2 propped up by modders to a game actually being developed, too.
content? it doesnt even have a single ferrari, the classes it has are just outdated and incomplete, its just a bunch of everything but no depth on anything, and its graphics are overated. It just filtered but the models are more basic than on other sims like acc or lmu, i have ams2 since 2021 but i barely use it, what i do like about it is its historical tracks.
No original AC? Best FFB of any sim (apart from RBR) It's the sim of sims!
Is this the 2nd account of gamermuscle? That´s a very exclusive oppinion ;)
it definitely doesn't have better ffb than rfactor 2 (500 hours on ac, 800 on rf2)
@@k3ntry335maybe not with stock cars but with well made modded cars like the RSS Formula Hybrid or MP-H Bayer no other sim comes close in terms of FFB and physics. AC is still the king and it’s not even close tbh
@@Boofski sorry, but simply no
@@k3ntry335 RF2 is great, but I still think AC has the best feel at the limit of grip. I’m not a drifter, but this why it’s also used by the drifting community.
No Le Mans Ultimate? Oh wait, Merc doesn't have a car in the WEC 😂. Anyway, I love how LMU feels since it's based on RF2, but the online lobbies are not a great experience, and I don't want to race AI drivers. I want to race real drivers and get better.
What's wrong with the lobbies though?
They work precisely the same way as in iRacing. Maybe the popularity is lower but that's about it.
My expérience in LMU open lobbies is pretty good, i make mainly weekly and special event who are longer and people more serious
Le Mans ultimate is still not officially released yet they sell DLCs??? That's a big turn off
@@sermusicusa they don't have a lot of content so making more available is very much a W, not an L.
It might be called early access, but judging by technical state of it, iRacing should be called early access too.
@@sermusicusa Rennsport too and for 1 car and 1 track it's the price of LMU 4 tracks and 11 cars. and, if you don't want buy 2024 content, you can, you gonna have free GT3 to race with other.
Nice video and ranking....i laughed when you reluctantly picked RF2 as best driving feel....i tell ppl this all the time. Purely in terms of feel, there is none that do it better....and the fact that its code is like decades old is pretty nuts. LMU feel is 95% identical.The rain driving was also the best up until recently with iRacing finally adding it. RF2 is not the easiest to set up in all aspects....the game, the cars, the AI, etc but once you dial it all in the AI is REALLY good and will actually race you, defend into corners, etc. Its truly an awesome experience.
They are different in their feedback, but for me RaceRoom and rfactor2......have the driving feel and force feedback I like best out of all the sims.
would love to see a version of this video but focusing on driving in the rain
Acc actually has pretty good force feedback if you take the time to set it up right with a high power dd wheelbase. It gives so much detail. But it does feel pretty bad on a lower end wheelbase. Also the default settings don't help the experience
It feels good even on my R5 if you take the time to set it up. Obviously it's going to feel better on a higher power wheelbase, though. But as someone that has only played ACC, this has me curious about how much better Iracing FFB feels. Too bad I don't have hundreds of dollars to find out lol
@@ihavealife002
Well, you can get one month for Iracing for pretty cheap in Epic Store or Steam when on sale.
I just would not use my main account because if you want to stick with it, only first time users have a pretty discount.
Paid 3 and something euros for 3 months 1 and something years ago from Epic. Tried and took out my doubts. Never returned, not to say it is bad, just expensive and have others.
Yeah I was surprised to see the low rating for ACC. The default settings were certainly underwhelming but after a small amount of tweaking it felt fantastic.
@@ihavealife002 IMHO iRacing is worse than ACC for feedback. When I got to that part of the video , I was like "WTF?!?!". I am currently testing buttkickers/ butt shakers and the amount of info from ACC is significantly greater than that from iRacing. iRacing feels dead comparatively
I liked it better when it was on the 1.8v, before the 1.9v which feedback feels weak....I'm using Thrustmaster TX wheel. I might have too search some RUclips videos to help the settings again.
There is an error in this type of rankings and is that you give the same importance to all categories.
In a simulator the most important thing is driving and it cannot carry the same number of points as sound, for example. If you had a simulator that drives 10 points with a sound of 5 points and another mid-arcade simulator that drives 6 points with a sound of 10, the latter would be the winner. Has no sense. I think you have to put a multiplier on each category according to its importance. For example, driving x2, sound x1.0, graphics x1.3 and so on.
Great video! AMS2 is probably one of the best looking especially in the wet weather and having things that some other sims dont such as tracking the dirt back on to the track, after going off. I dont particularly agree with the RRE verdict though, i have tried many sims and RRE is still one of the better feeling ones, its dynamic through the corners and you can feel everything the car is doing fairly well, not to mention it has THE best TCR and DTM racing out there and really good net code and collison detection allowing for some serious door banging. The sounds in RRE i would argue are still some of or if not the best soundingstill to this day, due to its natural bello's and engine sounds it sounds like a proper recording of an engine. The whines and gear clunks, the off track sounds for dirt and rumble strips etc, whereass ACC is overly saturated, full of compression and hard limited which removes a lot of the nuences and dynamics of the frequencies (This is really obvious if you have a studio setup with reference monitors or headphones) Which gives it a nice but really uncanny audio spectrum. Overall though really enjoyed the video, like deployed!
Whenever iceRacing drivers talk about tyre physics i die a little inside :) Don't know if they fixed it by now, but last time i tried iRacing few years ago, the driving physics were the worst of all sims.
This! I have owned multiple sports cars and been to real track days and never crashed. I tried iracing. It is so touchy and the track is so slippery it’s difficult to even make it around a track in one piece, much less compete. It’s a video game, not a sim. If driving a car was as difficult as it is in iracing we would still be using the horse and buggy. Garbage “sim.”
The iceRacing tyre model V6 is not used anymore for actually a few years now. It has gotten much better now and imo it has now one of the best driving physics (I haven't driven AMS2 yet)
No it still sucks. You're still on ice. And yes to the comment about real racing. Feelings nothing like iracing... They've never raced a car even on the street probably. It's a joke.
@@overbuiltlimitedit's a money grab. For them. Everything costs money. Plus a subscription. It's a waste. How people play that is beyond me. Id rather spend the money on a real car and take it to my local drag strip 😂
@@sermusicusathe only good thing iracing has going for it is the online racing IMO. The tire model is terrible
RaceRoom one of the best AI and sound.
ACC bestt GT3/4 but that's all. And a handfull of tracks.
AMS2 nice graphics, best VR, good AI but still not there.
RF2 good tyre physics, some cars are very good but chaotic UI.
IRacing not so good physics but best online, of course. Some cars are good, but some others are like racing on ice. Almost forgot, the AI is excellent. Oh and the rain. They discovered rain more than 20 years later than GP3. Really hilarious.
AC best graphics, mods and weather system. It's virtually possible to set up any race in any track with any car. AI is terrible but with a lot of work can be fixed.
And you didn't mention the great GPL, NR2003, GTR2 or the more recent rally games.
One of the best is missing: ASSETTO CORSA 1 with CSP + Pure or SOL is a must one (more than 3000 hours playing , i can't be bored with this game)
It's really good in VR too.
I still drive several driving sims and for different reasons. But I keep coming back to and spend the most time in rf2. It just feels the most real and comnected to the road for me. It also helps that I race online with some of the great vintage content.
But I'm also happy to admit lots of the other sims have their strengths and may feel better for other people. There's a lot of different driving styles, sim equipment, PC specs, game content, and expectations from players; so it's very unlikely that one sim will be the best for everyone. Enjoy what you enjoy people 😀
Every other game: has correct burgundy and mustard kerbs.
iRacing: can't be arsed to even get the kerbs right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
re scan is coming
The track model is that of 2010... it's about time they rescan it...
Laser scanned in 2010. New scan of the track might be coming in the season 4 build. :)
They literally just remade it
The cockpit in ACC is locked because Lock to Horizon is 0%. If you set it to 100%, the track doesn't bounce, but the cockpit does. In between settings allow each to move in the proportion you like. If that's not good enough, there is Real Head Motion, an aftermarket app, that claims to technically mimic the human experience.
AM2 it's the best by far if you don't want to pay Iracing subscription.
I love that the cars are already with good setups not like many other sims that give you undrivable stock cars.
AMS2 is my favorite, the Indycar 2023 is wonderful to drive and most importantly the VR experience is superb 💪
Very informative and generous with the ratings considering iRacing is your main. Editing getting better and better 🤘🏼
With Racerooms latest update this video could probably use an addendum as to how it is after. They’ve made some great updates to the visuals.
For me the best overall is AMS2 with customFFB ❤
LMU and rF2 are KING!
Real racedrivers have confirmed this!
Absolutely,Rf2 is king,first sim to came out with the tire geometry that iracing copied a decade later,and Ac still don't have.
@@Ryosuke324 Absolutely. Its also used in professional racing simulators (rF Pro)
Iracing all day for me. Hate all the others, especially AC. Great video.
Lol
Exactly. AC has never felt right to me, while iracing physics is amazing
Ask yourselves why are we here? I've been around since the Ark and for me rFactor 2 is where it's at if you care about realism and driving. They nailed it and until something new comes along...... Who cares about graphics and menus?
U can change the bouncing of the road/dashboard under visual setting while in the car in ACC
I'll be checking that as it's the one thing I hate about it also
@@dnfkofficial4067 Try the real head movement mod, it fixes it, but you cant properly fix it in game.
@@daniel_gray10 in game is under view settings, sidescroll to motion, then lock to horizon. There is a movement setting as well
You can, though. @@daniel_gray10
I'm all for Ams. Everything you're saying about the tires has been taken care of in v1.6. Tire feel is amazing now.
Should have included ‘online experience’ as a category. IRacing would have won for sure. I definitely don’t play IRacing only…
Rennsport: Were we looking at the same game? It looks way uglier than even Raceroom.
After Iracing, it is quite difficult to find a sim with a good braking/trail braking/realistic experience....If competizione get better with the brake issue would be great.
Iracing need to get better with the tire model(over heat/cold).
Quite the opposite actually. iRacing is awesome at doing non-ABS or old ABS cars. But the current GT3 ABS is so absurdly good that drivers pretty much stomp on brakes and then trail.., like in ACC. It's not the issue, both TC and ABS modelling in ACC is quite more sophisticated than any other sim.
Otherwise raw driving is better on iRacing.
@@Koffiato U don't stomp the brakes in GT3, 80% max, unless you want your tires to die after 3 laps
The fastest way to drive a GT3 in Iracing is to be smooth, progressive braking not stomping it and then trail braking, same goes for turning in, u don't throw it into the corners either
@@melone8833 but in a real GT3 car they stomp it hard as they can even in Formula car but not to lock the wheel , I have friend who is GT3 driver and sometime i follow him to the Track
That's actually Raidillion up over the top where you were 'running off' in ACC before using another try. Eau Rouge is only the kink at the bottom of the climb over the hill.
I was waiting for this comment and I thank you for making it 😂
Raceroom was the updated/more arcade sim experience GTR2 Version :D It come out around 2013 and was the antagonist of Rfactor 2, but i never liked it as much as GTR2 which in my opinion remains one of the best SIMs of all time
Evidently he doesn't know that in Raceroom, you can go into the car setup menu and adjust the steering ratio to 180, 360, 540, 900, or whatever.
Driven them all , loved them all . Bring me more . . . .
I find iRacing horrendous 0.5 out of 10
Afternoon Ser Grey. I saw title and I'm here for it
The world was waitin on you, thx mate
Raceroom has the best sound, physics and ffb. Nothing else comes close.💪
14/14 video, since starting I've mainly been on iRacing but I might have to give some of the others a go now to compliment! Cheers. Look forward to your next video next week 😉
You just shouldn't play this comedy with the points, as it feels like you decided about the ranking, than tried to reason it afterwards. You also failed to mention the pricing and the user friendliness - the first, just disqualify iracing for many of us with the 2000+ dollars content price and the monthly fee on top of that, and the second makes Rf2 unpopular and unplayed, so ACC, AC and AMS2 _are_ the best games for the most. Also, there is Gt7, which entertains masses with simracing-like activity, and with all its flaws, that could be in the midfield easily with good graphics, decent sound and at least mediocre physics model.
In "view settings" in ACC you can play around with G forces so the camera doesn't end up welded to the chassis.
I own all of them and have at least over 100 hours in each. In some, like ACC or rFactor 2, I have +800 hours. I've never driven a race car, but I have watched tons of onboard footage of real racing in different categories. Judging by how real drivers react, specially the micro corrections mid corner, I can tell that simracing community has a huge bias about how a "realistic" game should feel. Difficult and unforgiving doesn't mean realistic.
iRacing doesn't correlate at all with real onboard footage. Inputs have to be too smooth with minimal corrections. Never push the car to the grip limit or will become umpredictable so you barely will see micro corrections in this game. ACC and RaceRoom come second worse, specially for its super numb and understeery feel. Then, rFactor 2, LMU and AMS2 are doing a good job overall. You can feel and control the car's rotation at corner entry and mid corner, exactly how it looks in reality.
I agree. Most sims look and feel hugely realistic up to the point of losing grip. However, it's hard to translate this into sims. In a real car you can feel it coming and you have more time to play with grip. In a sim you only have tire noice and force feedback, which isn't enough. I believe they've got the physics on point, but for a sim racer losing grip almost comes without warning.
@@bastiaan-st This can be achieved with force feedback with seat of the pants effects. Some sims have been doing that or there's mods for some sims to adjust this parameter. The problem is some developers think that adding "artificial" forces to the wheel is not realistic so they don't allow this settings to be modified, which in my opinion is absurd.
Why you are testing Rennsport instead of LMU (Le Mans Ultimate)? Rennsport is still beta and today we don't know if Rennsport will be more a simulation or rather an arcade game.
Furthermore statements regarding the AI, the amount of online opponents / online servers and outstanding features (watch function in iRacing, amount of possible HUD Displays / Overlays) would have been helpful.
The title of best FFB, connection to the road and natural feel of driving definetely belongs to Assetto Corsa. It's just spot on. Most games has weak spots, where you have to calculate what to do in certain situations, which is more or less annoying, while in AC you just react instinctively and can't blame the game for the mistakes you make. But no game is perfect and AC can't take the title for being the most serious sim racing game. It's a playground for carlovers and in my opinion the best overall sim racing game, because it's just great and fun to play.
I personally think that 🤔 you didn't take the time to dail each game to its best .... at least as far as ffb .... and I've never had any stutters on ACC.....
kind of a crime you didn't include the original AC
I am going to have to give RF2 another go. I would like to race I racing, but I had it free for 3 months and was lucky if I put in 12 hours, and currently my time behind the sim wheel has been less. It is not worth $150 or so a year for maybe 15 to 20 hours I can devote. And even though I have been sim racing since the mid 90s with a Thruatmaster Formula T1, with Papyrus Indycar and NASCAR, I don't devote enough time to be a good enough driver to compete in online racing. I do it for a hobby and am perfectly fine going up against AI racers.
raceroom just dropped a new update featuring it drastic change in graphics, sound quality and etc. it will be better if you guys check it out because its a F2P game, you dont wanna sleep on it.
Lovely content keep up the good work bro!
Great video! Would love to see AC and LMU in there as well
I love AC and LMU, but I didnt think including AC with mods would be fair, even though its amazing, and LMU doesn't have GT3's to compare yet... coming soon though!
@@daniel_gray10 Fair. I think with the caveat of mods it'd be nice to have AC and LMU to complete the picture (once LMU has GT3s obviously). Once my new gear arrives I'll be plucking another sim from Steam (mostly rF2, LMU, DR2 at the moment). Thinking of picking up AMS2 and keeping a close eye on the 1.6 update (I tried it a couple of years ago and it was terrible but things change).
Thanks again. Subbed. Keep 'em coming!
Also totally get the internal conflict you had with rF2! Made me laugh! I endure it as I like the driving feeling but appreciate that a lot of people are not willing to go through the pain for a few laps of pure joy, sometimes! Hopefully LMU can rectify that.
rf2 is a great Sim, but sadly it is extremely buggy. I do rarely experience any race without some kind of more or less severe bug impacting the results.
My advice to everyone starting with simracing: get Assetto Corsa. It is cheap and a really good base espe ially with all the possibilities modding gives you. Try all the addons like Content Manager, Sol and CSP and you will live this sim. Just one more advice: stay away from SimDream when it comes to mods, they rip other authors work off other games and sell bad AC conversions of them. Better trust Overtake for proper quality (free) mods.
It is horrible advice to start journey with simracing with Assetto Corsa, on top of learning to drive, setting up your gaming gear you get headache of sorting out, downloading and configuring all of the mods. Don't get me wrong, I love Assetto Corsa, and I race it online via WSS, but it is the last thing I would recommend as starting point. For me, if someone is totally new when it comes to simracing the best starting point is... F1 series. And I am not kidding. It is complete package, it learns you basics of racing via built-in tutorials, gives you immersion and feeling of racing and when you get the basics you can jump to more advanced sims. F1 won't make you feel overwhelmed if you are completely new to this type of hobby.
Really funny to see that rf2 even wirh a car, where the FFB still is kind of broken, goes for the best FFB :D
Played every Racing Sim Game ... and no AC 🤣😂🤣
AC experience out of the box is not really worth it. Mods are subjective and can't be compared as a universal racing platform. It's built for fun
@@DS-md7mz ? the mayority of mods are highly focused on graphics u can still compare the game. by ur logic AC experience is bad with out the mods?(90%graphics) that does not make any sense. with out mods yeah the game looks bad has decent sounding cars, very good driving feeling, a lot of variation of cars and a nice amount of tracks.
@@DS-md7mz running on SPA with AMG GT3 is out of the box
@@DS-md7mz But this guy here is a simracing youtuber and not even mentioning AC here is a joke to be honest. Vanilla or modded, it doesn't matter. Btw AC is also in LFM so it is used for serious racing.
When I was on the G29 I was not a big fan of ACC's feedback but loved AMS2's, now that I've got a DD it's the other way around. In AMS2 in my experience the wheel feels heavy immediately when you start turning which helps deal with its oversteery nature with a weak wheel like the G29, but with a DD it sort of feels over the top and I don't get a lot of detail from it.
No way is AMS2 better looking than ACC. In ACC if you disable fog and increase image resolution it looks phenomenal. The fog and default res scaling is the cause for grainy look.
I agree 100%, whereas ACC looks like real life, AMS2 looks still like a game, this is so big difference. ACC is so much more advanced in graphics and sound, too.
@@maxhoffmann3293 I give AMS2 better lighting and clouds but that is about it. I think the sound is very over processed and muffled sounding.
I tried Rennsport recently and I couldn't believe what I was feeling in my wheel. My FFB experience was a 1 out of 10 with my CSL Elite. It was so bad that I coudln't even drive straight cause of how jerky it was. As soon as my wheel is 1 degree to the left or right the force feedback pulls you to the other side. Maybe could have put a deadzone but it's still very odd to me.
you have to invert the axis, it's a issue on some wheels. Also in latest updates the FFB is way better
Might try that if ever i launch the game again. Which is might just ve solved regardless
Rfactor 2 is really the best, totally agree !
IF you played EVERY racing sim... why only talk about 6 of them?
The 6 games he played are the curent top crop from each developer that is out wise is also the most likely to be played by either a noob or pro also I think he was trying to not mod these games
The only other major sims are AC and LMU, AC would need mods, which wouldn't be fair, and LMU doesn't have GT3's
He left the rest of them for you to make a video about, of course.
@@daniel_gray10 No one gonna mention Gran Turismo? cmon
@@LIRTC91 this is about sims, not simcades
Rf2 is the best in my experience. The lovby is empty.
It's really a game you find yourself a league that has sponsor and all that.
yes, by far the best FFB and direct connection to the car, but absolut the worst graphic ever, it looks 20 years old in VR, absolut crap :( I Wish that they will bring complete new graphic engine!
@@maxhoffmann3293 you mean like LMU, same physics engine. Yet dosent feel the same
I add my multipliers: G X1, S x0.5, D x1.5, FF X2 and the standings are:
1. RF2
2. iR
3. AMS2
4. ACC
5. RR
🎉
GT7 be like :
What about meeeeeee😢😢😢
I only run AC and ACC. I have a 2018 Mustang GT350 modified for the track, and these two are very close to what I experienced in the real car. That said, besides learning a track and learning car control, Any sim game is like a Hollywood movie, It’s based on a true story. Not an Iracing fan or RF2, neither made me want to keep coming back to them. ACC has a sense of challenge and reward more than any of the others. JMO.
Great video. I enjoy Iracing the most for so many different reasons. This was very informative. Thanks.
I expected ams2 to be higher. Its very immersive and i have a TGT-2 and its not fully supported yet it feels very good on it. Also when driving in VR, it feels just so realistic and everything.
really wish you had ranked everything out of 14 smh
I choose ACC over IRacing for the simple fact that it’s not a money pit. You don’t have to pay for the cars you want to drive you don’t have to pay for the tracks you don’t have to pay for a subscription. Iracing to me has rng handling in my experience. Unpredictable handling much like Forza Motorsport with its snap oversteer out of nowhere.
RR steering lock….you can manually adjust…thru in car setup and menu settings.
Great video.
When I want to race online I play iRacing
When I want to race mates AMS2
When I want to race mates while driving a T-Rex or shopping trollley we race AC
Iracing 5/10 graphic wise was an instant like. Atleast most of you iracing guys realize your paying for PEACE & Privacy on there. Its the California of sim racers but yet they don't upgrade the graphics, I'm sure its a great racing experience but idk if its worth the money. Like at all.
I've had some of my best races in RF2 and it's still my top sim, it's just too bad that the game so good has issues that prevented it from hosting virtual Le Mans without issues and has various others gremlins. I keep AMS2 around for singleplayer, but honestly I wish AI was somewhat better for that.
I agree with your ACC review. I love the tire model and sound in ACC but I MUCH prefer iracing braking over ACC all day long. With that said being locked to GT3 (I know they have GT2 and GT4) is why I play iracing and rarely play ACC
My ranking...RF2, AMS2, ACC/AMS tie, RR, LMU/Rennsport tie...teething pains, AC (gorgeous looking but I don't like the driving feel). Iracing (not ranked because I don't play it)
for acc you can try real head motion, in the game it feels like iracing for me. Give it a try :)
Also works for AC
I play rFactor2 for Kart Sim Pro only but I agree I think it's a better game in every way than iRacing except for the sound (Kart Sim curbs sound like Outrun) and online play. I think rFactor and iRacing both have very good force feedback.
I actually don't like iRacing. I joined only 3 months ago and the graphics I would have scored lower. Particularly the track furniture, tyre barriers for example are often hexagons not circles, maybe they were really badly flat spotted before being thrown on, but when you said it has like "real simulator" graphics that is exactly what I think it is. I race in VR and so my graphics are turned down a smidge to get 90fps locked. Annoyingly despite not liking the game, it's essentially the only one I now play aside from kart practice in prep for IRL karting. The game could be utter garbage, but I can get in a real race every hour and that feeling lining up with other real drivers is intoxicating. The nerves and the sweat, the fear I'm getting taken out and a 4x inc point at turn 1. It frustrates me because I can't work out how to be fully competitive, and yet I sign up the next hour to see if I can just improve slightly.
My number 1 though is simple. Assetto Corsa + Custom Shader Patch + Pure. Graphically amazing, cars I drive feel great (mostly from RSS), FFB seems to sit somewhere between iRacing and rFactor, I can create any combination of track and car I like such is the strength of modding. Basically no real online, at least not simple click to start like you get with iRacing.
Last side note, I was doing daily races in GT7 and I loved the competition and I seemed to be more competitive there than I am in iRacing, but iRacing wins because I can do a full season and have a position in the season standings. It's the same car just a different circuit each week rather than a random car and circuit combo and the races in iRacing matter for the season.
The old Ac beats them all. None of them has a touge community as big as Assetto Corsa
Good video, only disappointment for me is that you didn't penalise RF2 for its age as much as you did iRacing or R3E; for me RF2 is the most basic looking, very 16 bit. It has decent physics, especially the tyre model, but I don't like the FFB much at all, it has too much canned road noise for my taste....but that's the thing which makes this kind of content interesting: we all experience SIMS differently & we're lucky to have a great choice these days :)
great idea and good video! Thx for sharing!
You should do a part two and include more sims like Assetto Corsa, Le Mans Ultimate
I think that you can adjust how stiff the camera movement is in ACC. Mine doesn't feel glued to the car at all.
Racing sim - iRacing by far despite its many issues
GT3 sim - ACC by far despite its many issues
Most fun - og AC by far it has no issues just a perfect baby i promise
Hi thanks for the report on these Sim racers. I really like AC with Content manager and find the force feedback excellent. What's your assessment of AC . I have just downloaded the update for RaceRoom but never raced online in it. I only have the four free tracks and limited cars available. Thinking of buying a couple of more tracks and the Ferrari 296 that I drive in ACC. Any thoughts or advice. Thanks and best wishes Brian aka g0rlbm.
people who haven't driven an actual GT car will never know that rfactor 2 hands down has the best physics of any sim, there's a reason why almost every professional motorsports team uses a derivative of rfactor as their official testing sim. It far and away feels way more realistic than any other sim. Its a shame that the online experience is bad though (with the exception of LFM). For that, iracing will always be on top. I just wish iracing had rfactor 2 physics and ffb.
Iracing for asphalt ovals is the standard in nascar. Not surprising when you consider the company that became iracing started out by making the most realistic nascar games. Seems like Rfactor has the same level of quality of physics for road that iracing does for ovals
i dont think you need to drive a real gt3 car. This summer was my first time ever on a real track, with a 991 gt3rs, 2015 mustang gt, and a gr86 cup car, and my list for driving feel would be rF2 > AC (as long as you dont hit curbs) > iRacing
All i can say is damn AMS2 looks good 😳 (never played it) Also dont understand that people say ACC looks good. Worst realistic graphics feel imo from all listed games. Also AC1 should be on the number 1 spot.