That was awesome. There were a couple of guys dicking off over CAE with a stuck / hot mic, on the primary approach freq…wish I had a recording of that one pre and definitely POST hot mic resolution.
@@AldousCYou can tell the controller was being trained. The other guy would have been his instructor and his headset is hooked to the same PTT switches. The instructor didn't know the trainee had keyed up. Controllers talk like that all the time, just not on the radio.
Same recommendation for both Pilot and ATC. STOP! Stop fking with the A/P and Nav! Fly straight and level and simply request a safe heading and attitude. “CKB App, N1234, request a Vector for time. Navigation malfunction.” and you should get back… “N1234, fly heading 180, maintain 7000.” ….read back “Heading 180, 7000, N1234” And DONE, now fly the Fing airplane and calmly try to work the problem while flying straight and level. And ATC. STOP! Stop jabbering at him, he’s clearly task saturated and unable to handle his airplane. Give him Vectors and tell him to fly straight and level. Then ask for his intentions and or if he needs assistance. He had already clearly left his route or assigned heading. Scolding him is not helping to resolve the situation.
You realize that dead time is edited out right? It wasn’t back to back transmissions over and over. They also have a duty to keep at the pilot, they are also probably wondering if they should be sending jets after him because his intentions can be he is going to intentionally crash into something. They don’t know his intentions or if he is ACTUALLY task saturated, they have a job to do and are doing it. But no they were not jabbering at him, there was plenty of time between the transmissions where the pilot should have figured out how to fly. If he is flying IFR he should have enough experience to cancel auto pilot, stop turning and maintain an altitude. It’s not hard. It’s not complicated. It’s the most basic thing there is to do.
Totally agree. Even more. I would give him no-gyro vectors (start turn - stop turn) so he doesn't need to look away from the the artificial horizon. I would not even fight with him to maintain a constant altitude, I would just move everybody else away from him. Sharp turns, 90-degree turns, 180-degree turns, inability to hold altitude, inability to respond coherently to ATC... this pilot was not just task-saturated, he was losing it!!! He needed to reduce the workload and focus in just the most critical thing: artificial horizon.
As a Commercial/Multi/Instrument rated pilot, stories like this always worry me mightily. When you're in IMC doing everything right and guys like this are aviating with you in the soup, it's impossible to know what's ahead, behind, above or below you and avoid them. You're at the mercy of these loose cannons.
It these new pilots that have an electronic gadget for everything. The moment anything doesn't work they don't have a clue how to navigate or fly the aircraft, GPS controls the autopilot, and the thought of carrying paper charts in their bag just in case eludes them. Their log book says 300 hours, but 275 of those hours the gps/autopilot was flying not him, so when in a jam he can't actually fly the aircraft very well. Trying to maintain direction and altitude simultaneously was beyond his capabilities. It's getting scary up there.
@@kenharbin3440GPS does not control the Autopilot in any fashion. The Autopilot is a stand alone system on the aircraft. The pilot can use the autopilot to track ILS, GPS, VOR, and HDG’s. Students pilots are not allowed to use autopilot til Commercial certs in TAA aircraft. I am sure that this pilot wasn’t new. IFR flying is not easy for most GA pilots and they have the highest accidents rates due to lack of actual experience.
@@kenharbin3440 OMG, yet another “child of the magenta” comment. GA is getting safer by the year because of those “gadgets”. It’s up to the individual pilot to maintain proficiency and observe personal limits whether you are flying a G1000 panel or paper charts with a pen light and king radios. As far as who shares the sky with whom, I’d much rather share the sky with someone who has all the gizmos and ADS-B out than someone who thinks they are a “real” pilot because they have their handy dandy paper chart and stopwatch. I care for a paper chart as much as I do a rotary phone.
Single pilot IFR can be exhausting. It's easy to get task saturated very quickly. Just yesterday I was flying IFR from the coast to Spartanburg SC. I was actually going to try to break off and get over to my home airport if there was enough visibility and a high enough ceiling but I decided to just land there and have my wife pick me up. I set up and briefed the approach for runway 23, but the latest weather showed that 05 would be better. In a very short time I had to change things around quite a bit. It's necessary to talk oneself down from a high anxiety state and take a deep breath and think through what needs to be done. I was able to cancel the prior approach in the GPS, and reload the opposite runway while descending. I was not yet at the initial approach fix so I did have some time. I have an autopilot but I fly most of my approaches by hand so that I maintain proficiency. I think he got disoriented and depended too much on his autopilot and we have seen disasters from that before. Thank goodness he didn't get into a death spiral. However, he was not on the approach, and was in the en route phase of his flight. He should have been able to fly straight and level without the autopilot. Just trim it up a bit and relax, fly straight and level and plan from there.
Shocked the pilot didn't get into a graveyard spiral. Equally surprised controller didn't get more assertive since it was clear that the pilot didn't recognize the gravity of the errors. Disregard, he did a bit later on. Pilot needs a 509 ride real quick. There is zero sense of accountability and he ignored 80% of the controller's calls.
The FAA should implement higher language standards for pilot certification. Many times when I'm flying I can't understand a word some pilots say talking to ATC, frustration and confusion arises and that has proven dangerous more than once.
@@Flight_Follower Especially in IFR and IMC where you're basically relying completely on ATC to safely provide traffic separation and obstacle clearance.
English proficiency is exactly that - proof that you are proficient conversing in English. Much like the IR, maintaining proficiency requires the use of the English language . Passing a test, one time, is not enough - no more than passing your Instrument practical one time. You have to use it to remain proficient. Failure to remain proficient requires a IPC for your IR - the same should be the case for English proficiency. The FSDO should get involved at this point. This pilot failed on both counts - he proved he was not proficient to fly IMC, and proved he was not proficient conversing in English. Both are required.
Like 1 minute into this exchange I would have gone "6ZW, I am declaring emergency for you, I'll give you no-gyro radar vectors to XYZ, just look at the artificial horizon and try to make shallow turns. Stop right turn now. [...] Stop turn, go straight and level..." and I would not care too much about an exact altitude as long as he is well above obstacles and terrain.
It's a rental. Maybe AP disconnect broken, so it was fighting him. According to the internet, which is never wrong, it has a GNS430. Maybe he accidentally hit the CDI button and was working off the VOR needles instead of the GPS and didn't know it. That's happened to me more than once, though I caught it pdq. I'm guessing low time IFR pilot in an unfamiliar airplane.
It’s not your imagination, people have become helpless morons lately. Personal life, work, it’s something I’ve really been picking up on the last year especially.
As much as I agree how everyone judges this guy for his incompetence, I feel for him. Being in IFR annd so confused must be scary af. I hope he really takes some IFR lessons before attempting to IFR again. This must have been really nerve wrecking. You can hear it in his voice.
In the UK there are or were driver licenses with or without limitations to drive a car. One for automatic transmission cars and one allowing to drive manual transmission cars. Perhaps time to have a pilot license for no autopilot required and one for autopilot required.
Any pilot should be able to fly their aircraft without an autopilot. On my last turboprop the autopilot was a cat C MEL, so it could be unserviceable for 10 days. Even now, on the 777 we have 6 hours a year of manual flight training where you have to fly instrument approaches and stuff without automation. It’s pretty easy.
There seems to be an over-reliance on the autopilot generally among US pilots. IFR demands hand flying skills! When I did my IFR training, many decades ago now, it was ALL done hand flying! If you cannot hand fly IFR you have no business flying IFR!
I am from this area and learned to fly at CKB and know the area and controllers well. This tower/TRACON is a training facility for early controllers. A potentially unseasoned controller with an under qualified pilot can make for interactions like this. Hence the supervisor in the background telling the controller to tell the guy to “fly the plane.”
@@Flight_Follower my wife loves to fly with me as long as it is vfr so I’m not going to ruin that for her. I have numerous friends who quit flying because their wives didn’t care for it.
@@thomaslembessis6803 I looked up for the phrase on Google ... got a big laugh out of it, sure this guy would lit the whole matchbox if this warning wasnt pinted on it.
It is always easy to bash someone else. In all likelihood, he is a low-hour pilot. Given this situation, things were not routine for him. There might have been some hypoxia issues, anxiety about the situation, and task saturation, combined with unfamiliarity of the navigation unit he had in this airplane. Perhaps there were other issues which we do not know such as being in IMC (likely as he flew IFR), significant chop, or perhaps at nighttime. He was on his way to KPJC which is a small untowered airport, likely the home airport of this plane which is a 172K, a small trainer from the late 60s. It is questionable if this plane even had a two or three-axis autopilot. Given the age, it likely had not much more than a wing-leveler, and followed course on his Garmin. It is more likely that he had an issue, programming, or perhaps clicked the wrong button on his Garmin, and lost routing. For those who say he should have taken out a map, envision this: you are a single pilot, your flight bag is in the back, you experience some chop, meaning you constantly have to correct to keep such a small airplane on course and altitude. Perhaps it is dark, and your only light is your dim red-light headlamp. Given this situation, you have to reach back, dig through your bag, find the map, open the map that covers your view to instruments and the outside, be able to see the map, figure out reference points, perhaps triangulate via messing with two VORs, which again requires you to understand your GN430 or whatever he had in there. Some of the old guys perhaps can do this, but I can tell you very few younger (in their 50s or younger) pilots will be able to get this done alone. What he should have done is: disengage his autopilot, stabilize straight-and-level, then ask ATC for vectors. What he probably should have done before the flight, is have his iPad ready with flight-plan entered as a backup. I also would like to remind that last year Medflight N273SM that apparently lost the autopilot with a high-hour Commercial pilot flying it. The pilot did the same thing, apparently random change of altitude, random change in heading, and ended in a death-spiral, disintegrating midair. I would give this pilot a lot of credit, that he sorted out the situation and safely landed. And btw, judging the ability of a person on his/her accent is highly racist!
Not judging on accent, judging on failure to respond to ATC and failure to follow instructions. The best case scenario is that he didn't understand ATC, otherwise it was willfull.
A well thought out reply, sir. And you are correct that those types of skills are lost on most folks my age and younger. (I’m 27.) But… I think you (and MANY others) are defending incompetence in a field in which it simply cannot be tolerated. Proof here that money talks. This guy is just another rich idiot with more dollars than sense. This is why you should be required to actually work for and EARN your FAA ratings, and consistently demonstrate high proficiency- not just BUY them from a flustered instructor trying to build time toward their ATP. What a saddening and infuriating example of this completely broken aviation system in the US.
It sounds (to me) like his autopilot was making really drastic course changes and he was trying to fight it with the controls and became task saturated with trying to figure out what was happening and how to fix it, which took a while. Whatever actually happened, that's a scary situation to listen to.
Yeah, problem is, every autopilot has a quick disconnect switch/button, and every pilot who got an IFR rating and is flying is expected to be current AND proficient to fly an airplane WITHOUT relying on autopilot!!
When was this pilot’s last IPC? How many hours in type? Is he familiar with the autopilot? He needs to fly with a CFII IMMEDIATELY prior to operating any solo IFR flights.
I’m guessing they saved the whole “call this number” deal until after they knew he was down. There’s no way a FSDO isn’t going to be getting a deviation report from these guys.
ATC was terrible. Their annoyance was valid at the start but it became painfully obvious almost immediately that the pilot was in trouble. The guy was tasked with saturated trying to solve his autopilot issue and having trouble maintaining control of the aircraft. Clearly the pilot was in over his head and doing many things wrong, but all ATC did was add to the stress of the situation. All parties involved are lucky this didn’t end in the aircraft impacting terrain.
@@FlightX101 it took them entirely too long to suggest diverting to an alternate airport and that came after someone in ATC hot mic’d over the freq to tell the pilot to fly the f’in plane. They established a very hostile relationship from the get go and they’re lucky they didn’t contribute to killing that pilot.
I had the same thought. The guy is in an unfamiliar aircraft that may be malfunctioning. He's trying to figure things out. He's flustered. Give him some breathing room.
Mere bad airmanship is not in and of itself usually a cause for a formal pilot deviation. Usually those are given when some kind of traffic conflict or airspace violation occurs.
@@mtnairpilothe still deviated from his cleared route. Regardless of an actual conflict, that’s a pilot deviation. The question is whether the controller wanted to do the paperwork and nail him. Controllers have a lot of discretion to let things drop and not get formally reported.
@@cflyin8 Personally I’m glad that controllers aren’t flagging every single deviation. If you are honest with yourself you have probably deviated a time or two. Maybe you didn’t follow a SID perfectly, maybe you flew an imperfect hold, maybe you didn’t read a NOTAM you should have, maybe you descended onto an approach course slightly early. Still, in this situation I think a phone call is warranted. This pilot absolutely needs some training time before filing another IFR flight plan.
I was only able to listen to about half of this. It made me cringe. I am sure almost every person on this is more experienced than me. What I can say as a pilot that received my instrument rating last year is that I have come across situations since then that were never brought up in training or on my check ride. I have made some errors where I think the controller could tell that I was inexperienced or not to “expert” level yet. With each thing that came up I discussed them with more experienced pilots and my instructor to see what they would have done in that situation, however, I never did quite as bad as this guy.
The title of this video would lead me to believe that this was a flight in IMC; however, based on the dialog, it was a flight in VMC under an IFR clearance. If he was actually in the soup and somehow managed to avoid a spiral death, that'd be impressive. In any event, that controller had to be SO happy to hand him off-I only wish we had the coms comments between the controllers, at least beyond what we heard in the background.
As a commercially rated pilot of 21 years, this guy in the Cessna is a danger to everyone around him....He needs to be ramp checked by the FAA and have his license revoked.
With no mention of time of day I figure it was night and the guys never learned at night hypoxia can start at 5,000 and above. You won't notice the onset. Just give the guy a lower altitude so he can start cussint too and say wtf was that. Live and learn.....hopefully.
hypoxia doesn’t happen any more at night than during the day. It is just that our night vision is impaired more while at low light levels. Brain function and health other than perfect vision are NOT impaired. Also, seeing the instruments at night time to fly the airplane aren’t a problem because of this. If it is, he has health issues that effect everything, eben daytime flight.
Maybe he was working an equipment failure in IMC and neither his Controller nor his Cursing-Controller in the background were helping, so he had no room for comms during the issue.
This ATC guy needs some additional training. Getting pissed off with a struggling pilot and raising his stress level is a terrible thing to do. It’s painfully obvious the pilot is in real trouble.
For gods sake just accept that the guy is in well over his head and needs vectors. The controller didn't even make any efforts as such beyond "do you require assistance"? No point bashing someone who's in over their head - prompt them with actual help.
Everybody gangsta' until they're hand flying single-pilot in hard IMC. Unhelpful ATC. Vector him to a higher or lower altitude and VFR conditions. Or give him headings to fly. Nothing the controller was saying was helpful.
ATC was definitely unhelpful and kinda annoying, but any pilot should be able to hand fly single pilot IMC no problem. I’ve never flown IFR *with* an autopilot and for a trained pilot, it should be no problem. This is a training issue.
Whatever problem this pilot was having, he absolutely failed to clue in the controller. The controller could not tell if he had a mechanical problem, was impaired, or just oversaturated with tasks. This made it difficult for the controller to provide whatever assistance the pilot needed. I'm glad it ended safely, but I do hope the controller filed a formal deviation because it's very possible this wasn't just a competent pilot having a bad day who would be best helped by being forgiven.
Having flown in a Garmin equipped PA32 recently i could not believe how beautifully the AP flew the plane in IMC right down to 500ft without us touching a thing other than the power it would even fly the ILS hold had they have requested it. I can see why people get lazy and loose the ability to fly Manual. However this guy was making no sense and i think its was more a case of Hypoxia and he was trying to get his mind back, as he sounded like me after 10 pints!
This is proof that just because you have enough money to own six red roof inns and a fancy airplane doesn't mean you know shit about how to fly it. It's sad we have to share the skies with people like this. How this guy ever got a ppl is beyond me, but am instrument rating too?? God. Help us.
As a former flight instructor I don't understand how these people ever passed the IFR test. The worst thing a pilot can do is learn to fly on autopilot. Learn to fly the plane in all conditions.
how else would you suggest the ATC "help" when the plane is making turns in random directions and changing altitude? Just let him fly wherever he wants in the air space?
He did. He gave him a direct vector. Several times. If you can’t find that, you are either hypoxic, sick, unqualified, or qualified and brain dead. Either way he sucks at flying. No sympathy here. Fly with the foggles on for a few dozen more hours, buddy.
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I like this controller's patience and willingness to try and understand the pilot's situation
He sounded cute, too!
pilots situation is clear. he is one stupid mofo and same goes to whoever let him fly
LMAO at the controller in the background.
Lol😂
He should be reprimanded. He must have been shouting to be heard like that. Irresponsible.
That was awesome. There were a couple of guys dicking off over CAE with a stuck / hot mic, on the primary approach freq…wish I had a recording of that one pre and definitely POST hot mic resolution.
He wasn’t wrong! 😂
@@AldousCYou can tell the controller was being trained. The other guy would have been his instructor and his headset is hooked to the same PTT switches. The instructor didn't know the trainee had keyed up. Controllers talk like that all the time, just not on the radio.
The guy has his own Notam
when the deviations are so bad the controller becomes concerned with your health.
Agreed
Same recommendation for both Pilot and ATC. STOP! Stop fking with the A/P and Nav! Fly straight and level and simply request a safe heading and attitude.
“CKB App, N1234, request a Vector for time. Navigation malfunction.” and you should get back…
“N1234, fly heading 180, maintain 7000.”
….read back
“Heading 180, 7000, N1234”
And DONE, now fly the Fing airplane and calmly try to work the problem while flying straight and level.
And ATC. STOP! Stop jabbering at him, he’s clearly task saturated and unable to handle his airplane. Give him Vectors and tell him to fly straight and level. Then ask for his intentions and or if he needs assistance. He had already clearly left his route or assigned heading. Scolding him is not helping to resolve the situation.
YES YES YES YES!!!!
You realize that dead time is edited out right? It wasn’t back to back transmissions over and over. They also have a duty to keep at the pilot, they are also probably wondering if they should be sending jets after him because his intentions can be he is going to intentionally crash into something. They don’t know his intentions or if he is ACTUALLY task saturated, they have a job to do and are doing it.
But no they were not jabbering at him, there was plenty of time between the transmissions where the pilot should have figured out how to fly. If he is flying IFR he should have enough experience to cancel auto pilot, stop turning and maintain an altitude. It’s not hard. It’s not complicated. It’s the most basic thing there is to do.
@@PTRRanger951Yup absolutely agree! Aviate, Navigate, Communicate…. Fly the airplane
The guy in the background saying "Tell the pilot to fly the f***ing plane" is my spirit animal
Totally agree. Even more. I would give him no-gyro vectors (start turn - stop turn) so he doesn't need to look away from the the artificial horizon. I would not even fight with him to maintain a constant altitude, I would just move everybody else away from him. Sharp turns, 90-degree turns, 180-degree turns, inability to hold altitude, inability to respond coherently to ATC... this pilot was not just task-saturated, he was losing it!!! He needed to reduce the workload and focus in just the most critical thing: artificial horizon.
As a Commercial/Multi/Instrument rated pilot, stories like this always worry me mightily. When you're in IMC doing everything right and guys like this are aviating with you in the soup, it's impossible to know what's ahead, behind, above or below you and avoid them. You're at the mercy of these loose cannons.
HAHA loose canons. ;)
It these new pilots that have an electronic gadget for everything. The moment anything doesn't work they don't have a clue how to navigate or fly the aircraft, GPS controls the autopilot, and the thought of carrying paper charts in their bag just in case eludes them. Their log book says 300 hours, but 275 of those hours the gps/autopilot was flying not him, so when in a jam he can't actually fly the aircraft very well. Trying to maintain direction and altitude simultaneously was beyond his capabilities. It's getting scary up there.
@@kenharbin3440GPS does not control the Autopilot in any fashion. The Autopilot is a stand alone system on the aircraft. The pilot can use the autopilot to track ILS, GPS, VOR, and HDG’s. Students pilots are not allowed to use autopilot til Commercial certs in TAA aircraft. I am sure that this pilot wasn’t new. IFR flying is not easy for most GA pilots and they have the highest accidents rates due to lack of actual experience.
@@kenharbin3440 OMG, yet another “child of the magenta” comment. GA is getting safer by the year because of those “gadgets”. It’s up to the individual pilot to maintain proficiency and observe personal limits whether you are flying a G1000 panel or paper charts with a pen light and king radios.
As far as who shares the sky with whom, I’d much rather share the sky with someone who has all the gizmos and ADS-B out than someone who thinks they are a “real” pilot because they have their handy dandy paper chart and stopwatch. I care for a paper chart as much as I do a rotary phone.
Stay in the flight levels and out of the bozosphere.
Patience of an oyster.
That traffic controller is why I trust our system. You KNOW he was getting traffic the f*** away from that guy.
Single pilot IFR can be exhausting. It's easy to get task saturated very quickly. Just yesterday I was flying IFR from the coast to Spartanburg SC. I was actually going to try to break off and get over to my home airport if there was enough visibility and a high enough ceiling but I decided to just land there and have my wife pick me up. I set up and briefed the approach for runway 23, but the latest weather showed that 05 would be better. In a very short time I had to change things around quite a bit. It's necessary to talk oneself down from a high anxiety state and take a deep breath and think through what needs to be done.
I was able to cancel the prior approach in the GPS, and reload the opposite runway while descending. I was not yet at the initial approach fix so I did have some time. I have an autopilot but I fly most of my approaches by hand so that I maintain proficiency. I think he got disoriented and depended too much on his autopilot and we have seen disasters from that before. Thank goodness he didn't get into a death spiral. However, he was not on the approach, and was in the en route phase of his flight. He should have been able to fly straight and level without the autopilot. Just trim it up a bit and relax, fly straight and level and plan from there.
Glad you made it safely. SPA is my home airport
@@cmack864 Thank you. My wife is there now taking a flying lesson.
Shocked the pilot didn't get into a graveyard spiral. Equally surprised controller didn't get more assertive since it was clear that the pilot didn't recognize the gravity of the errors. Disregard, he did a bit later on. Pilot needs a 509 ride real quick. There is zero sense of accountability and he ignored 80% of the controller's calls.
It's a crime if there's no 509 ride in this guy's future
@@FlyingNDriving What's a 509 ride?
The FAA should implement higher language standards for pilot certification. Many times when I'm flying I can't understand a word some pilots say talking to ATC, frustration and confusion arises and that has proven dangerous more than once.
I agree completely. The situation is getting worst day by day.
@@Flight_Follower Especially in IFR and IMC where you're basically relying completely on ATC to safely provide traffic separation and obstacle clearance.
@walidFeghali exactly 👍
That would be some kind of discrimination no doubt, in the world we live in.
English proficiency is exactly that - proof that you are proficient conversing in English. Much like the IR, maintaining proficiency requires the use of the English language . Passing a test, one time, is not enough - no more than passing your Instrument practical one time. You have to use it to remain proficient. Failure to remain proficient requires a IPC for your IR - the same should be the case for English proficiency. The FSDO should get involved at this point.
This pilot failed on both counts - he proved he was not proficient to fly IMC, and proved he was not proficient conversing in English. Both are required.
Like 1 minute into this exchange I would have gone "6ZW, I am declaring emergency for you, I'll give you no-gyro radar vectors to XYZ, just look at the artificial horizon and try to make shallow turns. Stop right turn now. [...] Stop turn, go straight and level..." and I would not care too much about an exact altitude as long as he is well above obstacles and terrain.
From the book "The things I did on my last day of being IFR-rated"
Or having a pilot's license
This is what happens when you’re allowed to take an instrument checkride with the autopilot.
Even with an autopilot you still have to show you can fly without the use of the auto pilot.
A perfect example of how anyone, with enough money and the right connections, can get a pilots license.
Or no pilots license, who is going to check if he has a license or not?
True
No enforcement out there ....
It wouldn't be the first time someone without an IFR rating ended up in IMC.
The RUclips chick in the Beech fatal last year is a prime example too. Have money, left brains on the ground.
It's a rental. Maybe AP disconnect broken, so it was fighting him. According to the internet, which is never wrong, it has a GNS430. Maybe he accidentally hit the CDI button and was working off the VOR needles instead of the GPS and didn't know it. That's happened to me more than once, though I caught it pdq. I'm guessing low time IFR pilot in an unfamiliar airplane.
I would be wanting to look at his licence and ratings, and if he is qualified a word with his instructor/examiner.
He was at 7,000 feet. So surely he was not Hypoxic. His tone was suspicious. What happened to this guy??any idea ?
Proficiency is not a one-time thing. He may have a license, but that does not indicate that he has maintained proficiency.
His instructor probably died already from old age.
@@Flight_Follower Carbon monoxide is a possibility with similar symptoms.
Is it just my imagination, or is everyone getting less competent at everything lately?
@Moto848 crazy how as you become more experienced and knowledgeable everyone else seems to get less competent . . .
Not your imagination. More crashes too
It’s not your imagination, people have become helpless morons lately.
Personal life, work, it’s something I’ve really been picking up on the last year especially.
Diversity is our strength.
@@Moto848 read atlas shrugged and it will all make sense
As much as I agree how everyone judges this guy for his incompetence, I feel for him. Being in IFR annd so confused must be scary af. I hope he really takes some IFR lessons before attempting to IFR again. This must have been really nerve wrecking. You can hear it in his voice.
Right!!
Respect the compassion.
That pilot should never had become a pilot. He is not able to do would he needs to do.
This is a reminder to all of us who fly, that there are "pilots" like this up there among us. That concerning at best.
..and they also probably drive themselves to the airfield...
It's always great to hear such a confident pilot. 😱
I know right? This guy makes Pete Mitchell look like a fool.
In the UK there are or were driver licenses with or without limitations to drive a car. One for automatic transmission cars and one allowing to drive manual transmission cars. Perhaps time to have a pilot license for no autopilot required and one for autopilot required.
Well said 😂 pilot license with “ Autopilot required/ no autopilot”
Autopilot is and aid ... in both cases you should be able to fly the plane manually, or course with the help of instruments.
Any pilot should be able to fly their aircraft without an autopilot. On my last turboprop the autopilot was a cat C MEL, so it could be unserviceable for 10 days. Even now, on the 777 we have 6 hours a year of manual flight training where you have to fly instrument approaches and stuff without automation. It’s pretty easy.
There seems to be an over-reliance on the autopilot generally among US pilots.
IFR demands hand flying skills!
When I did my IFR training, many decades ago now, it was ALL done hand flying!
If you cannot hand fly IFR you have no business flying IFR!
US pilots? This guy can barely speak English. He might be in the US, but he's no US pilot!!
Exactly
I agree.
Might be biased here, but in my opinion there’s literally no other country with better pilot training than the US.
Registration comes back to a C-172… That has to be an interesting ADS-B track…
I am from this area and learned to fly at CKB and know the area and controllers well. This tower/TRACON is a training facility for early controllers. A potentially unseasoned controller with an under qualified pilot can make for interactions like this. Hence the supervisor in the background telling the controller to tell the guy to “fly the plane.”
The person who certified this person to fly should be jailed, they are allowing this person to injure himself and others around!
What if he was certified 35 years ago?
The pilot probably thought it was a perfect flight as he didn’t understand a single word the controller said. Ignorance is bliss.
Exactly
I'm a VFR pilot but this guy makes me feel instrument rated.
I’m with you. I stay vfr just to keep it fun and safe
VFR is good 😅
@@Flight_Follower my wife loves to fly with me as long as it is vfr so I’m not going to ruin that for her. I have numerous friends who quit flying because their wives didn’t care for it.
How did he get his license let alone his ifr rating. His comms procedures need to be upgraded as well.
Undoubtedly.
He attended the “Close cover before striking match” flight school”
@@thomaslembessis6803 I looked up for the phrase on Google ... got a big laugh out of it, sure this guy would lit the whole matchbox if this warning wasnt pinted on it.
Probably current but not proficient whatsoever. You only need to do a couple things every 6 months to stay IFR current
It is always easy to bash someone else. In all likelihood, he is a low-hour pilot. Given this situation, things were not routine for him. There might have been some hypoxia issues, anxiety about the situation, and task saturation, combined with unfamiliarity of the navigation unit he had in this airplane. Perhaps there were other issues which we do not know such as being in IMC (likely as he flew IFR), significant chop, or perhaps at nighttime. He was on his way to KPJC which is a small untowered airport, likely the home airport of this plane which is a 172K, a small trainer from the late 60s. It is questionable if this plane even had a two or three-axis autopilot. Given the age, it likely had not much more than a wing-leveler, and followed course on his Garmin. It is more likely that he had an issue, programming, or perhaps clicked the wrong button on his Garmin, and lost routing. For those who say he should have taken out a map, envision this: you are a single pilot, your flight bag is in the back, you experience some chop, meaning you constantly have to correct to keep such a small airplane on course and altitude. Perhaps it is dark, and your only light is your dim red-light headlamp. Given this situation, you have to reach back, dig through your bag, find the map, open the map that covers your view to instruments and the outside, be able to see the map, figure out reference points, perhaps triangulate via messing with two VORs, which again requires you to understand your GN430 or whatever he had in there. Some of the old guys perhaps can do this, but I can tell you very few younger (in their 50s or younger) pilots will be able to get this done alone. What he should have done is: disengage his autopilot, stabilize straight-and-level, then ask ATC for vectors. What he probably should have done before the flight, is have his iPad ready with flight-plan entered as a backup. I also would like to remind that last year Medflight N273SM that apparently lost the autopilot with a high-hour Commercial pilot flying it. The pilot did the same thing, apparently random change of altitude, random change in heading, and ended in a death-spiral, disintegrating midair. I would give this pilot a lot of credit, that he sorted out the situation and safely landed. And btw, judging the ability of a person on his/her accent is highly racist!
You make up a bag of excuses for a totally incompetent pilot ,.....
Not judging on accent, judging on failure to respond to ATC and failure to follow instructions. The best case scenario is that he didn't understand ATC, otherwise it was willfull.
A well thought out reply, sir. And you are correct that those types of skills are lost on most folks my age and younger. (I’m 27.) But… I think you (and MANY others) are defending incompetence in a field in which it simply cannot be tolerated. Proof here that money talks. This guy is just another rich idiot with more dollars than sense. This is why you should be required to actually work for and EARN your FAA ratings, and consistently demonstrate high proficiency- not just BUY them from a flustered instructor trying to build time toward their ATP. What a saddening and infuriating example of this completely broken aviation system in the US.
it was a twin aircraft, so highly doubt he was very low in hours. most pilots don't just start off in twins.
It sounds (to me) like his autopilot was making really drastic course changes and he was trying to fight it with the controls and became task saturated with trying to figure out what was happening and how to fix it, which took a while. Whatever actually happened, that's a scary situation to listen to.
Yeah, problem is, every autopilot has a quick disconnect switch/button, and every pilot who got an IFR rating and is flying is expected to be current AND proficient to fly an airplane WITHOUT relying on autopilot!!
@@webcuccioloAnd every aircraft I've flown has a clearly marked AP circuit breaker which you can easily pull if all else fails.
Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. In that order
I went from thinking ‘what a moron’ to ‘oh shit, this is medical’ maybe a TIA mini stroke or something.
When was this pilot’s last IPC? How many hours in type? Is he familiar with the autopilot? He needs to fly with a CFII IMMEDIATELY prior to operating any solo IFR flights.
what’s wrong with this guy! Someone pls explain 🧐
He sounded impaired
I’m guessing they saved the whole “call this number” deal until after they knew he was down. There’s no way a FSDO isn’t going to be getting a deviation report from these guys.
Sounds like the pilot shouldn't drive a car, let alone an airplane.
Diversity!
@nunyadamnbusiness-zo6nz
The fuck that’s supposed to mean? Plenty of dead stupid white Americans. Like JFK Junior. Or F-14 pilot Daryl Snodgrass.
He sounded like one of y’all
ATC was terrible. Their annoyance was valid at the start but it became painfully obvious almost immediately that the pilot was in trouble. The guy was tasked with saturated trying to solve his autopilot issue and having trouble maintaining control of the aircraft. Clearly the pilot was in over his head and doing many things wrong, but all ATC did was add to the stress of the situation. All parties involved are lucky this didn’t end in the aircraft impacting terrain.
Bullshit, it's their job. They have a pilot not flying as directed in controlled airspace.
ATC did fine and gave endless recommendations on what he should do to get out of this situation. They can do everything but fly the plane themselves
@@FlightX101 it took them entirely too long to suggest diverting to an alternate airport and that came after someone in ATC hot mic’d over the freq to tell the pilot to fly the f’in plane. They established a very hostile relationship from the get go and they’re lucky they didn’t contribute to killing that pilot.
I agree, as a controller who works more airplanes in an hour than CKB approach does in a day, there is no reason for the attitude.
What kind of pilot can't fly without autopilot? 😂
Is the pilot having a medical event?
I understand the frustration but nagging a task saturated doofus constantly when you know they are in over their head is not very helpful.
I had the same thought. The guy is in an unfamiliar aircraft that may be malfunctioning. He's trying to figure things out. He's flustered. Give him some breathing room.
How the hell didn’t he get a pilot deviation from that???
Probably waited until he was on the ground before giving him the Brasher
Mere bad airmanship is not in and of itself usually a cause for a formal pilot deviation. Usually those are given when some kind of traffic conflict or airspace violation occurs.
@@mtnairpilothe still deviated from his cleared route. Regardless of an actual conflict, that’s a pilot deviation. The question is whether the controller wanted to do the paperwork and nail him. Controllers have a lot of discretion to let things drop and not get formally reported.
@@cflyin8 Personally I’m glad that controllers aren’t flagging every single deviation. If you are honest with yourself you have probably deviated a time or two. Maybe you didn’t follow a SID perfectly, maybe you flew an imperfect hold, maybe you didn’t read a NOTAM you should have, maybe you descended onto an approach course slightly early. Still, in this situation I think a phone call is warranted. This pilot absolutely needs some training time before filing another IFR flight plan.
I was only able to listen to about half of this. It made me cringe.
I am sure almost every person on this is more experienced than me. What I can say as a pilot that received my instrument rating last year is that I have come across situations since then that were never brought up in training or on my check ride. I have made some errors where I think the controller could tell that I was inexperienced or not to “expert” level yet. With each thing that came up I discussed them with more experienced pilots and my instructor to see what they would have done in that situation, however, I never did quite as bad as this guy.
The title of this video would lead me to believe that this was a flight in IMC; however, based on the dialog, it was a flight in VMC under an IFR clearance. If he was actually in the soup and somehow managed to avoid a spiral death, that'd be impressive. In any event, that controller had to be SO happy to hand him off-I only wish we had the coms comments between the controllers, at least beyond what we heard in the background.
Usually you don’t know if you’re experiencing hypoxia if you’re experiencing hypoxia
You know your flight isn't going well when ATC asks if you are hypoxic.
As a commercially rated pilot of 21 years, this guy in the Cessna is a danger to everyone around him....He needs to be ramp checked by the FAA and have his license revoked.
With no mention of time of day I figure it was night and the guys never learned at night hypoxia can start at 5,000 and above. You won't notice the onset. Just give the guy a lower altitude so he can start cussint too and say wtf was that. Live and learn.....hopefully.
hypoxia doesn’t happen any more at night than during the day. It is just that our night vision is impaired more while at low light levels. Brain function and health other than perfect vision are NOT impaired. Also, seeing the instruments at night time to fly the airplane aren’t a problem because of this. If it is, he has health issues that effect everything, eben daytime flight.
I'm not sure if this guy should be driving a shopping cart.
Is this guy having a stroke?
Maybe he was working an equipment failure in IMC and neither his Controller nor his Cursing-Controller in the background were helping, so he had no room for comms during the issue.
This guy will become a statistic very soon.
This ATC guy needs some additional training. Getting pissed off with a struggling pilot and raising his stress level is a terrible thing to do. It’s painfully obvious the pilot is in real trouble.
For gods sake just accept that the guy is in well over his head and needs vectors. The controller didn't even make any efforts as such beyond "do you require assistance"?
No point bashing someone who's in over their head - prompt them with actual help.
ATC should just tell him to get below deck and then soon as he does, cancel his IFR clearance.
That’s not how it works
He definitely sounds hypoxic. Better check for exhaust leak.
Everybody gangsta' until they're hand flying single-pilot in hard IMC.
Unhelpful ATC. Vector him to a higher or lower altitude and VFR conditions. Or give him headings to fly. Nothing the controller was saying was helpful.
ATC was definitely unhelpful and kinda annoying, but any pilot should be able to hand fly single pilot IMC no problem. I’ve never flown IFR *with* an autopilot and for a trained pilot, it should be no problem. This is a training issue.
He is still looking for tower 2. F-16s would be in the air already at this point.
This is so bizarre this actually happened so often.
What were the repercussions for this guy?
Are there Silver Alerts for pilots?
That pilot was task saturated. He probably need more practice and refrain from flying IFR.
Technology destroys basic airmanship! Too many people can't fly without GPS or AP, it's a shame.
This pilot has a hazardous macho attitude!
Controllers have more patience than a police officer with a drunk driver.
No they don't, you just don't usually hear what they say off frequency.😁
@@fess_ter_geek Well of course the pilots are the same way. Although with all the near misses, I'm glad to be retired.
not much they can do with a pilot in the air.
This is a case of pilots trained to operate the aircraft computers and not actually fly.
Good one
couldn't even work the computer
I could only imagine the stuff that went on before RUclips atc recordings…..
“Sir, my colleague would like you to fly the airplane.”
I thought for sure that was going to end in a crash. That's pilot sounded totally out of it and flew that way, too.
Whatever problem this pilot was having, he absolutely failed to clue in the controller. The controller could not tell if he had a mechanical problem, was impaired, or just oversaturated with tasks. This made it difficult for the controller to provide whatever assistance the pilot needed. I'm glad it ended safely, but I do hope the controller filed a formal deviation because it's very possible this wasn't just a competent pilot having a bad day who would be best helped by being forgiven.
Pilot was trying to save his own ass!
Having flown in a Garmin equipped PA32 recently i could not believe how beautifully the AP flew the plane in IMC right down to 500ft without us touching a thing other than the power it would even fly the ILS hold had they have requested it. I can see why people get lazy and loose the ability to fly Manual. However this guy was making no sense and i think its was more a case of Hypoxia and he was trying to get his mind back, as he sounded like me after 10 pints!
Oh no. I can't just press a button and have the plane fly itself. What do I do?
I don't see a flight for N736ZW since 12.16.23
Another good reason to give up flying for boating
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Depends on where you go boating. The more expensive the other boats are, the less likely to know what they're doing and the more likely to be drunk.
Well said 🫡
But this is the guy that was piloting the Francis Scott Key boat. He already made a career change…
@@darwinawardcommittee - Harbor pilots make a helluva lot more than airline pilots, and the black gang are in shit for that one, not the pilot.
Jesus christ. I'm new to this, still, and even I was fed up with his crap.
Brutal to say the least. Whoever signed that guy off should have their license suspended until retrained. 🤯
This is proof that just because you have enough money to own six red roof inns and a fancy airplane doesn't mean you know shit about how to fly it. It's sad we have to share the skies with people like this. How this guy ever got a ppl is beyond me, but am instrument rating too?? God. Help us.
I’m an ATP and I fully support the FAA revoking his license.
How did he get an instrument rating? Also that controller is definitely a pilot or CFI!
Imagine these people get their licenses and pass checkrides.
The pilot was probably high out of his mind
License….ripped up I hope?
As a former flight instructor I don't understand how these people ever passed the IFR test. The worst thing a pilot can do is learn to fly on autopilot. Learn to fly the plane in all conditions.
It appears that just about anyone can get a pilots license...that's a scary thought.
Definitely a language barrier. He doesn't understand a thing ATC is saying.
Why wasn't a heading given to the pilot? ATC seems more interested in pointing out the pilots failures than actually helping.
how else would you suggest the ATC "help" when the plane is making turns in random directions and changing altitude? Just let him fly wherever he wants in the air space?
He did. He gave him a direct vector. Several times. If you can’t find that, you are either hypoxic, sick, unqualified, or qualified and brain dead. Either way he sucks at flying. No sympathy here. Fly with the foggles on for a few dozen more hours, buddy.
The static is horrible on these transmissions from his aircraft.
Was he drunk ?
They gave this guy a fucking pilot's license??? Holy shit.
I've been in and out of CKB a lot as a passenger in a company jet. It's not exactly flat terrain. You might want to watch altitude. Just sayin.
Good spell checking
Callsign ended with WHISKEY, that must be it...Unbelievable that this guy is allowed to fly, a danger to anyone, in the sky and on the ground!
Time to pull his ratings....
Many SR “pilots” have no concerns about AP failure
They have “PlanB”
Registration came back as a c-172K
6ZW must not understand english. He is also unable to manage the PTT switch.
Scary, an Autopilot is there to help you and reduce workload it's not there to fly the plane for you.
_Definite Pilot Deviation?_
Perfect Definition 😃
@@Flight_Follower 😂
Quit hounding the guy, and give him a vector. Obviously task saturated, and controller is adding stress.
Everything's great until that auto pilot or glass panel fails. Some people can fly and others should take up bowling.
Pilots like this should not be allowed to fly. Period. 🙏
I have over 500 hours and have never used an auto pilot. They are a convenience, not a necessity for flying
I'm amazed the guy survived the flight .... makes me think he's not IFR certified, listening to this playback (or, a brain donor).
Did they breathalyze this dude on landing? He’s slurring words.
This guy got his instrument rating from Temu
Intoxicated? What happened to this guy?