Airplane TOOK OFF WITHOUT CLEARANCE. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- 25 June 2023.
A Diamond DA40 Diamond Star registration N660PS, performing flight from Palo Alto Airport (KPAO) and back to Palo Alto Airport (KPAO).
Was instructed to hold short of the runway before departure due to approaching traffic but the pilot didn’t stop the aircraft, crossed the hold short line, entered the runway and started takeoff without the clearance...
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That video is a completely different situation and different ATX audio?
So many witch hunters in chat... it was a deliberate act obviously wicked intentions.
Didn't want to way 2 minutes for the other guy to land... however the mistake in speak is clear for a non witch hunter.
I’m pretty sure, even with “radio trouble”, you can’t hear a takeoff clearance that was never given.
Yea, radio, schmadio......clearance schmearance......we gettin all third world up in hyear........
Isnt it always convenient how pilots have radio trouble when its not being allowed to land or take off, but once they done did their thing, suddenly the radio works fine....yeah, I notice that in many of these radio issue videos.
If you have radio trouble while you are taxiing, you turn around and go back to the ramp, you DO NOT continue out on to an active runway and take off.
It sounds like he wasn't expecting a clearance. My guess is he usually flies from uncontrolled strips, and didn't adequately prepare for this flight.
@@CMDRFandragon my thoughts exactly ! Crazy huh ?
That radio trouble sure cleared up real quickly...
IKR?
I think he pretended to have radio problems to justify taking off with no clearance. That won't fly (womp womp) with the FAA, though.
After takeoff, I thought the Tower was purposely stringing him along.....giving him more time and opportunity to hang himself. Worked like a charm! 😂
It's possible to have poor radio reception on the ground, like if your plane's antenna doesn't have a clear line to the tower. Such a problem would disappear once in the air.
I'm not suggesting this was the situation here, only that there is some logic to trying again once the plane is airborne.
Also, it got the pilot past the critical take-off phase of flight to where he could more safely focus on the conversation.
@@j_taylor Doesn't change the fact that you don't enter a runway, never mind taking off without clearance. The radio not picking up is no excuse. If anything, lost radio communication would be a hold where you are until contact can be established.
Im an electrician, we use radios for work, sometimes when the radios arent working well we get random takeoff clearances. 😂
Too funny.
😂😂😂
:-D
Yeah! No matter how hard I push the pedal to the metal it don't take off. The highway patrol just won't accept that the tower gave me clearance straight though to LA...I might need a good lawyer. ?..... Lol?
Seriously a really screwed up. Unclear message is no message. Fix the blasted radio before you get off the ground. Better find out it fails where it can get fixed before you get shot out of the sky cos the president is visiting and nobody can tell you.
I was sent into a company with several buildings once to work on their panels and then label them when we were finished. There was absolutely nothing labeled as it was. So my helper and I had our radios out, I'm flipping breakers and he's trying to sort out what it was doing. We started having some pretty amusing ing replies back and forth of course, especially since he was black and his radio handle he chose was kind of... uncouth. Suddenly we start getting some lady cutting in telling us to stop it and grow up. So I kinda lit into her and said some really interesting things. And that's when she came back with "SIR THIS IS A SCHOOL BUS, THERE ARE CHILDREN LISTENING!". I immediately lost and about double over laughing, but decided that might be enough radio for a lil bit.
Haha, love instead of saying "Possible pilot deviation" she just said "pilot deviation"
Exactly, that’s what I was going to say.
No need to say "possible" in that case, it was quite clear who was at fault here...
Yeah I'm surprised she didn't say "blatant deviation"! 😂
I suppose that was her way of remaining professional. Lol
Former pilot deviation
That other pilot in the Cirrus probably landed and was unable to fly the rest of the day after that close call. He stayed calm.
ATC's aren't the most loved folks out there...
But, I love this ATC! She immediately canceled the IFR. She offered to call 29J base before pilot even asked. She gave visuals again without the pilot having to ask. Gave 29J a sincere and confidence inspiring "no worries" when 29J said he wasn't familiar with the area. 100% PRO!!!
All of the ATCs at KPAO are! I remember when she started in the tower. That is a very busy GA airport too.
As a pilot of 3 decades, I’m not understanding the first sentence you wrote. I have no issues with ATC. They are team mates. I don’t have any coworkers that would agree with you either. I hope you don’t fly if you have a preconceived notion that ATC folks are no good.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 ATC is my friend. I have a great sense of humor, except when it comes to FAA and TSA. I don’t mess with them. The people in KPAO’s tower are great!
@@paulfick5440 right. I was responding to the initial post by Thomas, where he says that atc aren’t well loved.
I think that’s a wrong attitude for a pilot. I’ve always had good experiences with controllers. Yes, sometimes things can get a bit testy, but that happens everywhere. Overall ATC are good people and overall pilots are good people and they work together just fine. There isn’t any “dislike”. There shouldn’t be.
We're very spoiled at KPAO. All of our ATCs are really, really good. They have to be considering how incredibly busy it gets.
And that, my friends, is how deadly accidents happen.
if he ded i dont care
@@Cadence-qt2uxmoron
This is how deadly accidents are *avoided*
Bravo Zulu to the controller and 29J pilot.
Indeed.
@@Cadence-qt2uxwork on your English buddy
This sort of behavior is completely unacceptable. Any student pilot knows that they can't take off without clearance. This should mean an automatic 90 day license suspension along with a stiff fine. Then the pilot will think twice about doing it again. I'm worried he will just get a slap on the wrist.
Sounded like the Ground controller also shares your concern.
There still is a chance that the pilot was in a mindset being on an uncontrolled airport somehow.
@@BarryHofland. This is what I thought, too. However, when the tower called him it was clear that he wasn't able to hear anything, or he just flat out ignored it, and when told to call the tower number, he replied that he was already on PA Tower freq. No, there was a radio issue and it was the airspace between the earcups.
I'll doubt there will only be a slap on the risk with the tower declaring (possible) pilot deviation and then the pilot that had to go around being highly suggested by ground control to report it.
@@ImpendingJoker Indeed. He took off and damn, did I take off without clearance and how do I explain this? Oh I know, radio probs.
I agree with 29J..."Unbelievable!" Even with a bad radio, anyone who cares about life and limb looks for traffic before entering a runway...This guy is a menace to himslef and everyone else. Kinda funny (but also not) how tower was so eager to get a good complaint from 29J. Obviously sick of his dangerous antics.
29J's complaint or not, that guy was definitely in trouble. Never got takeoff clearance and the recording of the conversation proves it, and FAA doesn't want to hear "I assumed they gave me clearance while my radio was not working"
“Anyone who cares about life and limb looks for traffic before entering a runway”
You’ve obviously never flown around crop dusters. Lmfao
@@JRNation8988 haha!
u guys cry like babies its wild.
Sometimes it’s not possible to look for traffic because of poor visibility lol. The pilot’s problem was he didnt wait for clearance from the tower before entering the runway. His initial instruction was to taxi and head to runway but not cleared for take off yet.
I had no idea that the appropiate reaction towards not hearing the tower is to simply issue yourself the clearances.
The aviation version of "OK, I turn left now, good luck everybody" and not have blinkers on at all.
@@mindlessgonzo LOL classic family guy reference
More like overpassing red light 🚦 in a busy intersection. 5:52
That guy must play MSFS Steam Edition with nobody in tower.
the guy probably drives a BMW too
Unreal. Even if he was having radio issues (likely had the volume turned down), you don't just take to the runway and takeoff! At a towered airport no less! Holy moly. Tower was very polite with him. I know down here in SoCal, your hands would be shaking writing down that number because they would rip you a new one. He needs to go back to school.
That doesn't sound very safe.
I think it was a combination of having the volume turned down and not realizing it was a towered airport, based on his transmission just prior to take off. But, if that's the case, that's an equally serious issue. The pilot just assuming he's at a non-towered airport is equally inexcusable.
I think you’re right. He did act like he thought he was at a non-towered field. That seems sorta nuts to me too, but maybe he’s used to flying from non-towered fields and habit took over.
Either scenario is unacceptable, not to mention dangerous. I really hope, he doesnt get off with a slap on the wrist.
@@dfuher968 I totally agree. They are different problems, but both huge problems. At a minimum he needs to go back to fight school for a bit.
First time I've seen a 'pilot deviation' called out, rather than 'possible pilot deviation'. This won't end well.
Fuck that guy. "Oh I have problems with my radios." Yeah crazy how radio malfunctions cause auditory hallucinations that give you a take-off clearance at a towered field...
Cause there wasn't no possible about it. He taxied on the runway without permission and took off without permission
Well it’s funny that she said pilot deviation but technically we are required to say “possible pilot deviation”. Legally, we don’t investigate or punish pilots, we simply control traffic and let the FAA pull the tapes.
If the radio problems cause you to hear voices that give you a nonexistent take off clearance, it may not be your radio that's the issue.
I’m having trouble with my radio! … You’ve got more trouble than that.
Let me introduce you to my friend "pilot deviation"
I'm having trouble with RUclips and can't read your message. ;)
Lesson learned:
Until you hear your takeoff clearance, STAY ON THE GROUND.
My first into Boston (as a passenger) had a similar incident. I was on a scheduled flight from London on a wide bodied jet; captain was on the intercom just making the final announcement to passengers when he suddenly shouted a few expletives, cut the mic and we did a go around. Shortly after he apologised for his language but suggested everyone on the left look out the windows where we could see a Cessna taking off from the runway we were cleared to land on. In our case the pilots of our plane saw the problem before the tower were aware of it!
Jesus, I'm glad you're ok!
Hope that idiot got the hammer dropped on him.
Commercial aircraft have automated collision avoidance warning systems. Thankfully they work well. Your pilot probably got an audible and visual warning of collision and took measures. Commercial pilots are amazing
@@BusArch42 TCAS is not going to help you in case of a runway incursion, it's designed to avoid mid-air collisions...
@@JohanBosClips if the Cessna was taking off then it was in the air. Ergo airborne collision warning
@@BusArch42 Yeah, but if the Cessna was airborne, the other aircraft would have landed.
Tcas is not designed to detect this particular scenario.
The voice of 29J's pilot when having to go around was such an amazing mix of ticked off, and incredulity. I don't know if I've heard quite that mix of emotions before.
you must not have kids 🤣
He was an unprofessional whiner, and his pattern sucked, yet he was happy to make excuses for that
@MakingandBreaking Correct. Nor do I want to have them.
@@RadioactiveSherbet I've used that same tone of voice innumerable times
@@BurkaLifter I'm not a pilot in any way, but this was my thought. I get the aggravation, but the comments about "I hope you're getting a number on this guy" and such...She was dealing with a bunch of stuff (well, it seems) and doesn't needs an aggravated pilot bitching and telling her how to do her job. He wasn't the pilot in the wrong, but he certainly didn't make it any better.
I guess his best defense would be that he didn't realize he was on a controlled field. Notice how he never "requests" anything but just states his intentions? That's what you would do on an uncontrolled airfield. It wouldn't spare him much though, it would be gross negligence however you put it. Neglecting to read up on the airport is not that much better than proceeding without clearance.
In that case, perhaps he had Tx and no Rx, was unable to hear any calls by tower or anyone else?
@@liam3284 Aren't you supposed to announce the airspace name at the beginning and end of your transmission if you are the doing the uncontrolled airspace radio call?
@@harrodharrod5239 Yes, though it's not unusual to hear sub-par comms at uncontrolled fields (as is mine). Even missed comms aren't that unusual when weekend warriors are in the air. Not too long ago, after calling a 10mile inbound, then a 5mile, then a 3mile on the 45 for left downwind - trying to be as careful and clear as possible, because a) it was busy and b) I knew most of the CFI's and CFII's that were in the air at the time and didn't want to get them any excuse to chew me out later - I entered the left downwind, thankfully wider than usual, and noticed (just as I called THAT as well) i was abeam of another GA, non-school, plane also on the downwind, from which I'm sure I hadn't heard any call. (And while I can miss a call, I doubt any of the CFI's in the air would have heard it and me and decided to not say anything!) Apparently that other GA plane had just taken off and stayed in the pattern without any calls of which I was aware, because I didn't spot him on departure, during his left crosswind, nor of course on the left downwind - but I should have been looking more carefully, instead of relying on a radio call to give me a heads-up about traffic. So it was a good lesson for me to learn. (FWIW, I extended my downwind, which I knew was safe to do there, instead of doing a 360 or a 270 into the left base, because I didn't want to lose sight of that plane until it got off the runway. It all worked out.)
He had been talking with ATC and read back correctly. That does not indicate any possible defence short of stupidity and the need to be grounded forever. He also needs to hand in his driver's licence if he has one.
@@davidhandyman7571 I never said it was a particularly good defense...
I hope his hearing improves in time for his meeting with the FAA.
Obviously, this guy was clueless. So the question is: "If he can blunder into the air with this kind of mindlessness, what else can he do?"
Because he flies a plane that flies itself.
@@mgoblue0970 Yep, some of them do. The one I have has the standard 6 pack and a single VOR.
> So the question is: "If he can blunder into the air with this kind of mindlessness, what else can he do?"
Run for Congress? 😆
What kind of radio trouble makes it so you hear a nonexistent takeoff clearance?
It's not my intention to speculate on the incident
Perhaps, as a result of him not realising that he had the volume turned down he assumed that the airport was uncontrolled and he just needed to state his intentions as if it was a unicom frequency
@@SwissAvgeek But he received and readback directions for taxi, except that last 1 to hold short. Why would he assume, that the airport was uncontrolled, when he needed taxi clearances? And why would he turn down the volume on the radio in the middle of getting taxi clearances?
That just doesnt make sense. Plus, he also didnt state any intentions to take off, he just did it.
Edit: Listening to it again. Yeah, that first taxi bit wasnt a readback after all, it was him stating his intentions for taxi. So he might actually have believed, he was at an uncontrolled airport. Thats still unacceptable tho, he is responsible for knowing, what kind of airport hes in. And Im still iffy about him actually believing, the airport was uncontrolled, he had no problems talking to the tower after takeoff - the tower being identified as that airport.
@@dfuher968 If he was stating his intentions he was not listening to replies. The tower recognized and gave him specific instructions. Either he was hearing absolutely nothing until after he took off, or he intentionally ignored the instructions. In any case, I wonder if he even paused to look for airplanes on final before lining up. If he thought it was uncontrolled he should have been looking and ideally would have seen the approaching aircraft. If he didn't think it was uncontrolled then he has no business entering the runway without explicitly hearing the appropriate instructions.
OMG as someone who is familiar with the area (on the ground) and its MANY active airports, having a loose cannon in the air is insane.
As someone who lives in the area, every couple years there's a drunk Cessna pilot that gets intercepted when they breach a TFR zone.
I was inbound to PAO from KGO towers when I heard this go down on the radio and they put me in a hold over there. It was my first time hearing such negligent behavior at PAO, I was really surprised!
This happened to me on my first solo flight back in the '70s. My instructor had gotten out of the airplane and told me to go around the pattern once, land, and taxi over to the hangers. As I was on very short final, a Cessna 310 entered the upwind end of the runway and proceeded to roll for takeoff. I did a hard left and exited the pattern until it was clear and I could re-enter and land. When I stopped near my instructor he was absolutely livid. Turned out the guy in the 310 had had his license revoked for similar stunts but continued to fly anyway (he owned the plane). He even had one of his young children on board that day. After we parked the aircraft, my instructor made a beeline for a phone and called the FAA.
The guy on the ground seemed even more mad about the deviation than the woman did but she definitely hit him with the pilot deviation instead of possible deviation
I'm only just a pilot in training, but this absolutely baffles me. If there are any abnormal issues with any of the equipment onboard I wouldn't even make it past my run-up, and just tell myself I'm not flying today and talk to the training center about the issues.
The terror in his voice when he finally hears Tower in his headset and realized the field wasn’t operating as class G.
In 660PS? There wasn't anything going through his head, just one of those monkeys smashing two cymbals together.
Exactly. But, as usual, there’s more to the story. Even in Golf you check the runway before entering it and don’t enter it if you see traffic on final.
Just like in Harrison Ford’s case. It’s understandable he confused a taxiway with a runway (the taxiway there looks more runway than the actual runway there :), but you DON’T land if you see an airliner sitting on it, runway or not :)
This is a great way to get promoted to passenger for life.
Then again, a guy with such disregard for the rules would probably not quit flying, just coz he doesnt have a licence anymore.
Yeah, one thing I remember from flight school. When approaching hold short you will receive one of three instructions: 1. Hold Short 2. Position and Hold 3. Cleared for takeoff. Not really difficult
Potion and Hold is no longer the instruction. It's now "line up and wait"
@@toneale I had heard that in another video and was wondering. I earned my Navy Wings in 86, I’m sure a lot has changed
It turned out to be unwise to use the same word ("hold") to mean both "enter the runway" and "don't enter the runway"; so it was changed.
Seemed like the aviation equivalent of crumpling a bag of chips near the phone and saying you have a bad connection.
He sounds like someone who normally flies from uncontrolled strips and forgot that he's in a controlled airport. And unfortunately for him, his radio volume was way down or something like that. He just calls "taking off", that's normal for uncontrolled strips, just as it's normal to hear nothing in response (assuming his radio volume was off or something). A grave mistake no doubt, he's going to remember this one.
This airplane frequents that airport so he should have been aware. I wonder if he misinterpreted the tower operation times as zulu instead of local? (and also forgot to turn his volume up)
Isn't the pilot also supposed to name the airport in their transmissions if there is no tower? This pilot failed to do that several times.
@@kyleweisel7411 The airplane is apparently a rental so its previous whereabouts doesn't actually say anything about the pilot
Failing so hard to check up on the airport, hes taking off from, to the point, where hes unaware, that its a controlled airport, is almost, if not fully, as bad as taking off without clearance.
And according to various posts from locals in the comments, this guy is well known there for violations and always with the "radio problems" excuse. If so, thats 2 exacerbating factors: repeat offender, AND well known in the area, meaning he should be fully aware of the kind of airport, hes in.
@@dfuher968 I'm not a pilot, but It's disappointing that any pilot would ever be given enough chances to become "well known" for anything unsafe or unprofessional.
I love the respecting pilots’ “unbelievable” comment I would be equally pissed
Here's a bit of local color for some more perspective. KPAO is halfway between SJC to the south and SFO to the North. Yes, it's inside one of SFO's approach corridors. It's the small airport for Silicon Valley. The amphitheater the tower mentioned is right next to Google's main campus. Meta, formerly Facebook is 5 miles to the north. A lot of the planes there are owned by tech millionaires.
"there is a hot air balloon doing 400 knots..........and now its going vertical?!"
that diamond was actually air force one
I would really like to hear what ramifications would this type of deviation entail. That's just a grossly dangerous maneuver and 29J was very cordial with ground while being acceptably upset about the situation.
Every time some joker does something blatantly stupid and dangerous, the old "radio trouble" excuse gets used. I call bullsh*t!
Hats off the ATC she was on top of this mess all the way. Great job.
The airmanship in g.a. today is beyond irrehensible. The fact this took place out of Palo Alto is not surprising
I think you made three different words into one new word.
@@jaylasky4313 itswhatido
@@jaylasky4313 It was inconceivably incomprehensibly reprehensible.
THANK YOU COME AGAIN
FYI at 6:33 the part you missed was "Brasher". It's the name of the "notice of a possible pilot deviation" warning that ATC issues.
My very first solo landing turned into a go around, I was at about 300 AGL on final when another student pilot pulled onto the runway.
The same thing happened to me while I was at school at CYHU. The tower never instructed us to go around; my instructor made the decision to do so. We saw the other aircraft taking off in front of us, and we had to change course to ensure a safe minimum distance. It was a very close call, and a serious mistake by the controller to clear us to land.
He was practicing for Oshkosh lol
During the EAA even at Oshkosh it's lucky they have plenty of FAA officials around to take care of pilot deviation.
I live just north of there. I like to listen to frequency just for fun sometimes.
It was sarcasm......listening to the arrivals Def helped me when I flew Into there. Famous FISK arrival is always fun.
@@riserburn1 Rock your wings.
I have flown for about 7000 hours and even when I was a student in 1975 I knew enough that in controlled airspace, particularly at an airport, a serviceable radio was essential and would preclude continued operations until rectified or proper arrangements were made prior to flight. Not having a functioning radio always unnerved me and I made sure a radio check was part of my pre flight.
660PS made a ton of mistakes. It's a towered airport and he did a takeoff without a clearance. That alone shows negligence and lack of situational awareness. So many pilots out there with lack of training and awareness.
Palo Alto. Probably a clueless Silicon Valley tech millionaire that should stick to what he knows.
I think what happened here is 660PS was broadcasting on Tower Frequency but wasn't listening on Tower frequency. 100% he had radios set up incorrectly and was likely under the impression that the field wasn't Tower Controlled at the time of his departure. Somewhere after departure he realized the screw up and started listening to the Tower Freq.
How someone in an airstrip without knowing it's controlled or not?
That doesnt' make any sense.
It also doesn't explain the "phantom clearence".
That makes no sense if he did...the Cirrus was #3, it was busy. He just thinks every plane he sees happens to not be broadcasting and PAO tower just happens to be closed in the daytime which it almost never ever is. I mean you'd think at the VERY least, a pilot knows if the airport has a tower or not, and if it does and it isn't the middle of the night, assumes it is most likely open. I bet he didn't check for TFRs either lol
Not buying it.
Broke cardinal rule #1 and was unapologetic. I'm gonna see if I can find more info cause this needs to be a permanent license revocation
EDIT: According to flightaware, he's continued to fly as normal since this incident. What the hell
N660PS is a rental plane. Only they know who was flying that flight.
@@martingreen7737 Ah, makes sense
Imagine going to your car, checking your brakes, noticing they don’t work, and then deciding to go drive on a highway…
You could say that the pilot filing a complaint is petty, but lives are on the line here. Incompetence like that needs to be rooted out.
Thank goodness the Cirrus pilot was experienced and professional. If he'd been nervous or inexperienced this could have gone a lot worse.
The Cirrus was certainly 100% in the right here. However, I actually found how much he whined about it on frequency slightly unprofessional. Getting cut off on final is a big deal, but in this this situation it really wasn't THAT big of a deal. It happens often enough in GA at untowered fields. Take your go-around, side-step the runway, come back in to land and maybe ask tower for a number on the ground if you really have nothing better to do instead of letting it distract you during one of the most critical phases of flight. That's what I would have done. It's almost as if he believes he's never made a mistake flying before.
@@kyleweisel7411 I am surprised more people haven't noted how aggressive(and whiny) he was with ATC. Agreed it sucked it happened, but he was given the go round call early and they worked to keep his separation. Let them handle the repercussions, you fly your plane.
@@jaylasky4313he was a bit dramatic, like saying the other guy "took off underneath him". He's still like a mile out, saying it like that makes it sound like something out of the movies. Obviously the other guy was 100% in the wrong and this guy was right to be pissed, but that was not the time or place.
Much credit to ATC though; she recognized that the hold short instruction was not read back right away and was proactive and professional throughout. I like how she had a bit of urgency in her voice when she repeated the instruction to hold short, but stopped short of being unprofessional.
First rule of safety: if you can not hear the ATC just do whatever you want
When he started taxing I was like in my head "Bro respond to tower.."
I dont like to make assumptions of malice when it can be simply incompetence but that really sounded like the guy faked a fault to get up in the air when he didn't like a hold short instruction. All of us pilots know you never enter a runway without clearance at a controlled aerodrome, this is not an understandable mistake.
The pilot wasn’t having any radio problems,he was having English and aviation proficiency problems- period
Looking at flight tracker, N660PS has flown out of this field quite a few times. No excuse for him.
you pervert.
I'm told it's a club aircraft.
Where are all the misogynists who were claiming female air traffic controllers were inferior to male ones (and I’m being generous in the wording they used)? This atc was tough and brilliant
That pilot regardless of radio issues was never given a clearance to take off so he should NEVER have entered the runway for any reason. He should be fined or have to accept some retraining.
On another day several people could have been killed.
Pilot here: It clearly seems to me that the deviator's radio speaker / headset audio initially was on mute and he wasn't aware of that. It can happen - but it is important how you react and how you find out what's up with your radio (wrong dialled frequency and mute the most common errors). I for one had radio on mute unintentionally on some occasion but could avoid unsafe situations like this one: You need to instinctively check if you do not hear anything when expecting an answer, and don't forget that volume dial.
He was on the correct frequency, since his own transmissions could be read just fine (as per the video above) - even "five": best quality loud and claar when taxiing on the ground.
I am making an "educated guess" here: To find a reason, not an excuse what happened. He was not reckless but confused and broke important rules .... and of course his action was still a pilot deviation and unsafe and for which he very likely got busted afterwords.
So here goes ... Some airports are not controlled airports 24/7 but have some off-hours in the day when the tower is not manned. Quite a few airports do actually. But it has to be said that the tower operating times are written down and should be part of pre-flight (self-) briefing.
I believe the pilot had his radio audio on mute, transmitted while taxiing, heard no response and *assumed* the tower was unmanned at that time and that he could take off by own management after a radio transmission, which he did.... except you cannot just *assume* an airport tower is unmanned.
So, I see no action by "pilot ego" but do see pilot confusion and error.
That's when the actual authority, the Flight Standards District Office, can order a pilot competency check: a de-facto mandatory special checkride. I believe it is called the "709 ride", which you must pass or else you lose your pilots license. This is only ever triggered by a pilot deviation. But in this case, with another pilot pressing charges and this incident even published on the internet I would bet that this is what has been happening.
"You'll never fly a plane in this town again!!"
Palo Alto airport is heavy on students and low time pilots (I'm kinda low time myself TBH, but I make damned sure to be a good boy). I do see things like this more often than really should happen, even given those circumstances. Anyone flying into this area, if you have a choice, Reid-Hillview (KRHV) is better run and has two parallel runways. RHV is my home by choice.
Drive, crash, look is bad enough on the roads, but fly, crash, look is a death sentence.
1:13 When you hear he said lining up and taking off, you know that he just didn't want to read back and just wanted to take "priority".
I love the way that the FAA is completely ignoring the requirement to speak and understand English when licensing people these days.
Cirrus is more concerned with talking on the radio than flying a go around
1st offense, grounded for 6 months. 2nd offense, license revoked for life. no excuses, no third chance to kill somebody.
I do hope he had his flying rights revoked
Pilot must ascertain that runway and final is clear even once given clearance to take the runway. He's gonna get in a lot of trouble. Very poor airmenship
That was indeed a close call. Thank you very much for picking it up!
Radio had vodka infusion problems.
Requesting mayday!
It's amazing (or maybe not) how many deviations have strong non-English accents.
There are a LOT of software engineers with discretionary spending that fly. KPAO is located between Google and Facebook campuses.
The accent told all I needed to know.
1:19 He announced he's lining up and taking off like he's on CTAF xD
It sounded like English was not his first language. My German friend told me that was why he didn’t complete his training in the U.S. He said it got to be a bit much in the cockpit.
I found out who the pilot is - he's not originally from the US.
@@licketybonkgetting to be a real problem in many airport environments from my flying experience
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Them dam migrants takin our jawbz n airspaec!
@@neglectfulsausage7689 sorry but speaking English in US airspace is all about safety. The issue of jobs never came up.
That’s so surreal! 😡 Reminds me of the lesson of a Firearm is ALWAYS loaded even when you KNOW it isn’t. This guy just cleaned his weapon as he pointed at others & himself type of mindset. Good Grief. “Radio Trouble?” Common Sense says HOLD! Hearing problem? YES! Airmanship? Do something else for a living! FOH!
This pilot was like "Leeeeeroooyy Jennnnnnnnkinsss!!"
Took me 2.5 minutes into this video to realize this was a quarter mile from where I used to work. Wow...
Reminds me of all of the “me first” young road drivers. Now it’s happening in the air? Wow, just wow!
I'm not a pilot-nor an ATC just a but of an aviation geek. I did learn today that radio trouble simply means proceed as one would like in any manner you want. Good to know.
Don’t file a complaint on a foreign pilot.
The company is California registered. The nationality of the pilot doesn't matter at all.
Not a pilot, so please excuse what might be a dumb question. I googled the tail number to see if there was an article about this, and I wandered onto flightaware, and it seems that this plane (different pilot?) is still flying, including today July 27... This certainly appears to be a serious violation, , in general, what kind of penalty would a violation of this type result in, and how quickly are such penalties applied?
As I type this, right now, N660PS is in the air doing touch-and-goes at this same airport, but with a different pilot. It looks like this is a rental or training aircraft.
As for the incident pilot, there will be an investigation before anything happens. He could get off with a warning or have his license temporarily suspended. If he has a history, there could be more severe consequences.
If it's a rental, the owner won't stop others from using it. The incident pilot will probably never be welcome there again though.
@@j_taylor N660PS is owned by an LLC that owns two other DA40s, rental sounds likely enough
My CFI sent me this video. It’s my home airport and it is a rental from a very good aviation club. They have more than 50 planes at KPAO, including a few diamonds. KPAO can get very busy when you get 7 planes in the pattern. Usually the military won’t allow you to fly over their space. Still, my money is that the new-ish pilot forgot rather his training and then thought of the radio.
Runway incursion in a towered airfield is a guaranteed way for a 709 checkride. This guy is really ballsy
That Diamond Star pilot should lose their licence, taking off with NO clearance recieved.
SERIOUS violation of flight rules there!
Nice that the Cirrus pilot was paying attention and following directions to AVOID a potential crash the moron in the Diamond Star would have caused.
Zero papa serra, please call 800- your fuct. It is a toll-free call. 😂
@@cyul cool man, thank you.
It’s so wild to take off when you haven’t heard a take off clearance due to radio issues. That guy shouldn’t be flying
I'm starting to see a trend with language barrier incidents!
"Hold short of" is pretty standard communication. He didn't read back that command at all, rather than reading back incorrectly.
His English is clearly fine, and had nothing to do with how he fucked up.
N229J sounded like a pissed off child
Just like AC at SFO in 2017. Frightening stuff.
Not at all similar. They had clearance but lined up on the taxiway instead of the runway. This is a takeoff without clearance.
AC?
Air Canada
@@LostG8R2002 What did he with the time he saved not typing ir anada?
I have no idea how much work it would be for a video like this, but when they are talking about seeing and following other traffic besides the 2 aircraft directly involved in the incident it would be cool to have those aircraft on the map as well.
Cirrus guy is mad other guys is doing Cirrus guy things.
How the hell do you even come up with the decision to take of at a TOWERED airport and you haven't heard ANYTHING from the tower outside of your taxi instructions? He didn't even try to read back any information even if it could be wrong. The balls it takes to operate at a towered airport, say nothing, and then give the tower a courtesy call saying "hey i'm taking off now".
As a commercial pilot hearing the “be ready to copy a phone number” is the one thing you don’t want to hear from ATC but that diamond star needs some action taken against him. I’ve only called ATC to complain a few times in my career but ATC has always been professional and cooperative in hearing any complaints I’ve voiced. ATC are really the unsung heroes of aviation, extremely stressful job and having to deal with us pilots is usually a thankless job. If you’re a controller thanks for all you do hearding us cats up there.
This why we dont want foreign private pilots in this country unless theyre professional. Hazard they are
The ending was so wholesome
You could see trouble brewing when she didn't get a readback of her instruction to hold short.
lol its always the radio.
the infidel woman thinks she is in control anyone can see it's okay to go
Until I heard the voice, I thought it was Harrison Ford again!😂
Non-pilot here, what are the consequences for the pilot who took off without clearance?
I was a private pilot in the early 1990's and one time when I was cleared to land my rented Piper Cherokee Warrior II at Reid Hillview airport in Silicone Valley, a Chinese pilot in a Cessna was to told to hold short of the runway but started to taxi on the runway instead, I noticed it when I was approaching the runway, put full power and told the tower I was aborting the landing due to the plane on the runway and requested for a go-around. The tower chewed the other pilot out for not holding short. There was a Chinese pilot school at that airport.
With 'NORDO' the LAST thing you want to do it enter an active runway without clearance, never mind enter and take off. Totally incompetent as a pilot.
Not a radio or a headset problem, but a problem with the equipment between the headset.