Yeah, like what, so many years of residence means you can do whatever you want? That's not how any of this works. Follow instructions. Lives depend on it.
I'll never forget making a poor VFR decision to agree to pick up a friend in a mountainous area with some crappy weather moving in. It was a 5 hour drive for him to drop a car off and I didn't have the heart to tell him, No, after he had already left hours before. I got almost all the way there but weather had already closed off the last mountain peaks and forced me to turn around. On the way back clouds formed in front of me and left nowhere to go but up. January in a C172 @ 10k' above PA... not a very warm place to be. I swallowed my pride, called ATC to let them know the situation. I'll never forget, he said, "Is the plane IFR rated?" Negative. "Is the pilot IFR rated?" Negative. "Understood." Next thing I know, airliners departing from Allentown PA are calling out holes in front of me. ATC asked, "Can you maintain VFR through any of those?" Uh, Affirmative! I got through a hole right above my destination and said, "I guess you want me to call you, huh?" ATC said, "Have a nice day sir." I thanked him and then the airline pilots and got some very satisfying clicks back. Aviation is a great community.
As a retired ATCer, this is the kind of guy you remember for the next time he requests to enter your airspace ... you save yourself another round of headaches with a simple "unable".
@sarthakmohanty997 You don't need a license to fly an ultralight...Granted they are not allowed in specific classes of airspace without ATC communication, but I highly doubt this guy would care...Just Saying,
When I was still a student, I heard the words you never want to hear after I landed. "Taxi to the base of the tower and shut down." I did as instructed, all the while wracking my brain to figure out what I had done wrong. I had asked the controller to repeat an instruction once, but wasn't that what you're supposed to do if you're unsure? Anyway, after a couple of minutes, the door at the base of the tower opens and out pops the controller. She walks over to the airplane, smiles, and say "Hi. You're not in trouble. Have you been talking on radios a long time?" I confirmed that I had both military and SAR-related experience with hundreds of hours on radios, but was a student pilot. "Can you do me a favor? Can you remind us you're a student when you call, please? The thing is that you don't SOUND like a student, and we're likely to ask you to do something that you're not familiar with." She was totally cool about the whole thing. The controllers are focused on keeping people safe. There's absolutely no reason to be a jerk to them.
Not always. But most traffic controllers are entitled power hungry punks that have never flown a plane and continually get away with treating pilots like crap
I am an atc and I once had a similar experience. Turned out the student pilot was an IVAO aficionado and had built a really interesting experience talking, his phraseology was pretty good and he sounded almost professional when talking in spite of having just a few hours of flying time. He actually spoke better than the instructor!
I had something similar at Charlotte. Was doing my first night flight and I guess I sounded like I knew what I was doing (former communicator in USMC). Controller starts asking me to do pattern holds and then a break neck decent to landing. Thank goodness I had my instructor next to me because I barely understood what was being asked of me. Looking back the request was pretty simple. I was just so new to the process that I was left a bit confused. I used student pilot in my calls from then on.
i done with people like this.. on road etc.. imo no license for like 5 years. its not a legal right. its a privelage. other peoples lives are at stake. pay attention, do ur job or get out.
I will say as a CPC I think we need to revise our requirements for Class D as some of those are extremely busy. Not sure why the controller says suggested heading unless they aren’t radar certified. That’s another issue. But he did give commands later to suggest he was. It’s a little worrisome the controller had to think about it.
I flew with an instructor once who acted very similarly to this guy. He was adamant that the controller could not tell him where to fly. And he was a CFI. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. Somehow, he didn't end up getting a number to call. Probably because that particular airport didn't have radar.
As a former USAF Instructor and current professional/commercial pilot, I know there is nothing you can do with a pilot who displays this amount arrogance EXCEPT to award him an FAA violation. Period.
As person who relishes reading comments that start with, "As a ____ _____ ....." I thought yours here was a very fine specimen. And I salute you for it.
Just unbelievable! The controller actually was very nice. This guy was indeed arrogant, incompetent and just wanted his way or the highway. Aviation is a big family of very nice, helping and humble people, this guy sure doesn't belong.
I don't usually like to assume things, but it sounds like this is a classic case of an older pilot who thinks he's above the rules and can do whatever he wants. Most older pilots are great but there are a some who give everyone else a bad rep.
Tower man exercised extreme patience before lowering the hammer. EXTREME Good controller! Seasoned vet. I like his high tolerance of jerkiness abehavior. But when he reached his limit, he rightfully let it all hang out, told the errant pilot, and let everybody else know too. That's accountability and serves as a punishment and warning at the same time. Better than just "Call this number" right away with no explanation. If I didn't know better, I would almost think this pilot was part of a comedy routine of what NOT to do in crowded Florida airspace.
@@horacesawyer2487 "tolerance" is built up from repeated exposure. Proximity to "The Creek" as Ron calls it, likely gave the tower controller many opportunities to build that tolerance. Having home shopped there few times, I'd always walked away with the same conclusion. Who would want to live with those people?!
I'm glad you covered this. I've seen comments and videos defending the pilot and crucifying the tower controller when as far as I see there's absolutely nothing the tower did wrong. Also notable is how low he gets. You're supposed to remain 500 feet above terrain (and 1000 feet above densely populated areas) unless you're on approach for a landing, and this guy got as low as 275 feet. He actively disrupted a traffic pattern when he wasn't even in the pattern himself. Unacceptable.
If he didn’t want to go north of the field then he should’ve just told the tower right at the beginning and tower probably would’ve told him to turn right and head back over the interstate. Instead he did what he wanted to do. The tower controller didn’t do anything wrong.
The old guy was already in the airspace when he contacted the tower and asked for a southerly heading. Instructions from the tower controller are ABSOLUTE in this scenario. The old guy should get his ticket pulled and not be allowed up in the air again.
The tower gave him the option of going either way around the pattern. He chose the route East then South then completely ignored the instructions required to follow along that route and instead headed in between both routes and directly towards traffic.
Been a local pilot for 25 years and still doesn’t fully understand the fundamental conditions associated with Class D CONTROLLED airspace. The FAA need to review his license.
As someone who wishes they could afford to spend the time and money to get a pilot's license, I can't believe there are people who actually have them and care so little about keeping them.
You are absolutely right in your assessment of him. I hope they ground him, suspend his pilot license for 6 months and require he receive remedial training. Pilots like him give all of us a bad name! ! !
I got a Call The Tower once when I got shook up having gone NORDO because of my switchology being wrong. When I figured it out and safely landed, I called fearing the worst. She must have heard the fear in my voice as she calmly and kindly talked me through what I should have done. Squawk 7600 and look for the light gun. Then she thanked me for calling and hung up. End of story and a huge lesson learned for me.
That good old boy basically said "I've been flying here for over 25 years and I've never needed anybody on the ground to tell me how to get where I was going, and I'm not about to start now". The problem with this clown is that they could pull his license but that won't keep him out of his beloved cub.
True, I once knew a guy that could no longer pass the class 3 medical. Had an old Waco that he worked on himself. He would fly and stated, what are they going to do, take my certificate away? They cant take my plane. Now to give the guy some credit he was a heck of a pilot. At this period of time at this particular little field there were several guys that had flown fighters in the european theater in ww2. Some aces some with multiple kills - he was one of them.
I dealt with something similar recently. I’m a skydive instructor, and was under parachute at about 2500 ft, when I saw an aero commander flying crosswind over the runway at 2000 ft. He was definitely within .5 miles from my position, and showed complete disregard for our radio calls and LAO indicator on his navigation. When I landed, I immediately drove up to him as he was walking away from his plane and asked him if he heard our calls and noticed us. He said he heard and saw us, so I asked why he still proceeded to fly right over the airport at 2k ft. He said he was nowhere near the airport. When I told him he was flying parallel to me, close enough for me to see the tail numbers on the plane, he had the audacity to say “must have been pretty cool then.” He showed complete disregard for our operations and our safety, and I made sure to send a screenshot of his Flightradar24 data and my witness account to the FAA. Of course he was some “old-timer” with a huge ego, and I’m just some 30 year old skydiver that he thought he could just walk all over. I hope he had a fun time explaining that to the FAA.
Yeah, I was believing you until you said "our radio calls". Then I knew it was bogus, because the only pilots that use the radio less than a jump plane pilot are the crop duster pilots.
@@drsudz our pilot is required to make all calls. Especially 2 min prior and jumpers away. Considering it’s a small public airport with no tower in class G/E airspace in the pattern, someone not communicating on the local frequency isn’t unheard of. But we make our calls through local and with regional ATC. So he must have been on tower for a nearby airport, or just not paying attention. Still neglectful nonetheless. If one is flying near an airport with a parachute symbol on the chart, it might be wise to listen in before that person un-alives someone.
@bkelsey6692 You realize it's telling when you say, "we make ALL our calls" followed immediately by "ESPECIALLY 2 min prior and jumpers away", right? LOL... But I agree, 97% of jump pilots announce jumpers away, however that is typically the last radio call you'll hear until they're on the ground. (This is my experience in California and Nevada) Still, they're better than crop dusters - I'm convinced 90% of those guys either don't have a radio or don't know how to operate it.
@@drsudz I’m confused. By saying “it’s telling” of something when I explain our SOPs, what is it telling of? That we are constantly on the radio making the calls required of us by FAA? Yes. Yes it is.
@@drsudz aren’t crop dusters usually operating on a private airport and under any sort of pattern altitude for nearby airports? If I’m wrong please tell me. Also, logical reasoning would imply that about 5 minutes after the “jumpers away” call, all parachutes would be on the ground.
Couple decades ago in my CFI days I was tasked with doing a rental checkout with a guy like this, talked on the radio with not only non-standard, but completely inaccurate radio calls that made no sense followed by lots of “tally ho, roger that, lettin er rip, you got it boss”. In a low work load environment when you are doing everything correctly and safely sometimes a little colorful radio transmission is appreciated, but not if the underlying clearance or instructions are not understood or followed. When I explained to him about his mistakes and the importance of proper R/T, he told me I had a stick up my rear end. I didn’t want to sign him off, so handed it to the flight school owner who did and told me not get so easily offended. The guy took off and flew smack into the departure corridor of the class bravo and got into an argument with ATC over it. Eerie how alike they both sounded.
The investigation of pilots like this almost always finds other issues like no current medical or aircraft out of annual. Like the controller said, he just does what he wants.
ATC refers to these "Darwinian Wonders" as rogues. Nothing worse than a rogue, because now ATC has a huge headache guiding this individual, all while having multiple aircraft stacked and neatly separated. They don't need a turd clogging the works. And when the FAA gets wind? Certificate Action and possibly forfeiture of your license. A little bit of respect and professional courtesy go a long way in this business. Plan your flight, make sure you got a transponder for ATC to identify you, and BE NICE!! They are protecting far more than your miserable hide.
Frankly, I was cringing with his first communication with the tower. I am not a pilot. However, years ago, I was assigned some small aircraft fatal crashes to review. In each unfortunate situation, it was a successful businessman who mistakenly thought he could do any thing he wanted . . . like flying above his rating or safely ignoring weather reports. This guy fits the profile.
What you see is pressure alt. I don’t know the barometer that day but looking at the other airplane in down wind it looks like 300 ft higher. So he’s flying at about 750 msl. Not terrible as it doesn’t look populated.
I would have loved to have seen that in London Heathrow airspace. At least the fighter pilots at RAF Northolt would have got a break from polishing their boots.
Radio phraseology on both sides is so important not only to keep everything clear, but maintain a professional attitude and reinforce the authority of both atc and the pilot
The FAA should permanently clip Romeo Bravo’s wings. That idiot doesn’t deserve to be in the same airspace with another human. He’s going to kill someone some day with that arrogant attitude
I understand your point, but I don't think he's an idiot; he's definitely a life threatening menace, though. He really didn't know where he was. I think he was intending to head further South, just clipping the dotted blue lines, before heading East, but he started heading East early, so far East he thought he was in China, and he became a serious problem to ATC. It's not an incident that can just be called an oopsy and immediately forgiven.
Never mind being a bad pilot, but arrogant, entitled, and defiant is the worst type of person there is, in the air or on the ground. To be a good person, you need to be humble, approachable, and credible. My dad taught me those values when I was seven years old. Humility, patience, integrity. Apparently, this guy never learned anything from anyone. Your breakdown videos are great; I look forward to them. Not your typical reaction 'to a thing' videos. You add so much clarity and value to the incidents, and you are so clear and easy to understand.
Did your dad teach you anything about hubris? Just wondering what kind of guy makes a post about the qualities of "good" and "bad" people, references their dad yet makes no mentions concerning the importance of context. Teachers are held to the highest of standards.n Were you taught anything about having respect for your elders or stop to imagine that listening to ATC (not defending his actions btw just highlighting how unfortunate it must be for him and having sympathy) is likely the equivalent of Tommy Lee Jones'v character in No Country for Old Men? He's probably been flying since before that ATC was poopin' his diapers and my guess is that, thank God we have them, but he was probably one of the good pilots before ATC became necessary and perhaps even curses the "dumb" pilots who "ruined it for the rest of them." I have no idea tbh but your comment just made me sick is all. Sure, he needs to get with the times. Punish him. Fine him. Take his wings. But no need to to talk about him disrespectfully as a person to the point that you're soapboxing like that. You don't know a damn thing about the guy. (My apologies if he's like your neighbor or something..)
@@fredspofford Er- the context is the video if you care to watch it. If you can't follow rules or instructions from authority don't be a pilot, and don't expect to gain respect or kindness from anybody (unless they are as arrogant as you are)
@@fredspofford Are you like, "mental", or something? As they say, touched? I drink a lot, but you seem affected. Does brain illness run in your family? Just asking. It might be meaningful during the inquest.
On another channel that shared this same audio clip, he's a well known pilot that always causes trouble. I think $$$ is the only reason why he still flies.
No kidding. The controllers at my airport do me favors on a regular basis (in terms of slotting me in or getting me out on a runway before other traffic) partly because they know my plane can do it - but also because a common phrase I use with them is "whatever works best for you". There's nothing like ATC remembering your tail number for all the *wrong* reasons.
Not professional. His attitude was just as poor as the pilot’s. The Pilot’s initial call was very clear, even if not “aviation sanitary.” Then the controller started making up his own reality for the pilot, cut the pilot off, and generally bullied the pilot. It’s a team sport up there. Further, the patter was north of the field so allowing the pilot to fly south like he first stated would have made far more sense. I love our controllers and all they do for us. But, they have responsibilities too.
@@jshoneycutt2012 What? Did you watch the same video? ATC didn't understand what the dude was saying at the start, but even if he did, what the pilot was saying didn't make any sense given his heading and proximity to the airspace unless by "clip" he meant, "My entire plane is going to be in the southwest of this airspace for a while." So ATC just suggested a way to go. And then the pilot started doing stupid shit after he was in the airspace, and ATC took exception to the whole potentially life-threatening danger thing.
True liars/manipulators never really learn their lesson because they always believe they can just BS their way out of the situation their BS put them into (no matter how many times they're shown otherwise) It just never clicks for some folks that their words don't create reality
I took a flight lesson once and overheard a very impatient ATC response (to some other pilot) and decided that my hearing was not good enough to not have to ask for a repeat and dropped the whole idea of being a pilot. It was nice to hear a very patient ATC in the face of such arrogance.
Most ATC are very good about such things. I've done some stupid shit on the radio, and ATC by and large is just "haha, pilot dumb, here's what I was hoping for." Make sure you are cleared for the runway, and do your best, and you're fine. Get out there, the sky is worth it.
I can't stand people with attitudes like this guy. He's probably the same way behind the wheel of his car, dealing with waitstaff in restaurants, and pretty much everywhere else. I once scolded a guy who kept blowing through the stop sign in front of my house, and he got all pissed and yelled, "I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE SEVENTEEN YEARS!" Yeah, and you've never seen this stop sign?
"If another car did that at the same time maybe you wouldn't have lived 17 more minutes." I suppose his life isn't what's of primary importance to you and it certainly isn't to me, but pointing to the danger he's causing himself could conceivably work.
Most of the stop signs could be yield signs, stop only makes sense for super dangerous stuff like a non-perpendicular rail crossing where you literally have to stop to see what's going on. But in the US they are overusing stop signs where they aren't even needed. So why stop if you are sure you see all your surroundings and know there's nothing to stop for? Most drivers roll the stop sign because everyone knows it's pointless to stop if no one else is at the intersection. I'll tell you more I've had occasions where I almost cut someone because I had to stop before yielding which reduced my perfect time window to yield.
@@streettrialsandstuff Read that last sentence of yours back to yourself, very slowly. Then read it again if it doesn't sink in. (I'll give you a hint if you still don't get it. Nobody's holding a gun to your head saying you need to get out in front of that car you almost cut off. You have the option to wait for it to pass, first. The fact that you apparently don't realize that is not the fault of the stop sign.)
@@streettrialsandstuff It'a a matter of muscle memory because one day you may slide through the stop sign and get killed, or maybe even kill a little child in the other car who thought they had the right of way. People with attitudes like you need to stay off the road. Ride a bike, or stay home.
There must have been consequences for this guy right? I mean, I've been following the Trent Palmer case a bit and if FAA consideres what he was doing wrong this guy should be bamned for life
prob little to none - the ONLY reason Palmer got slapped so hard is because a) it was very high profile (bad FAA optics) and b) he was making money from the YT debacle
I'm sure if he actually made that call (which is kind of a coin-toss given what kinds of hazardous attitudes he so obviously holds) he would have at the least gotten a chewing out by a controller. Hopefully it also will have earned him a "709 ride" with an FAA inspector.
It all sort of depends on the outcome of that phone call. Harrison Ford had to do that phone call after the taxiway landing and the recording of that is on RUclips and can be listened to, and it shows how to handle that call. This guy may have dug himself a way deeper hole after that phone call though.
This takes me back some 30 yrs to when I was sitting right seat in an Cessna 340 that was on it's post Annual inspection test flight. The owner and PIC was not familiar with the airport and proceeded, without clearance from ATC, to taxi to what he thought was the active runway. I could hear throughout his taxi ATC ground trying to raise him on the radio with him not responding. He had his head set tuned to the ATC active frequency. Once he reached the run up apron and positioned the aircraft for his run up, I informed him that ATC ground had been trying to raise him on the radio ever since he left the ramp of the service center. He then changed his head set to the ATC ground frequency. Once he established communication with ground they instructed him to immediately stop his runup, turn a 180 on the runup ramp and return to the ram of the service center. He was further instructed that once he had reached the service center ramp to shut down and secure the aircraft. He told ATC that he needed clearance for a VFR flight to what we called "the practice area" and he was told in very specific language that he would not be receiving any such clearance. He was indignant, rude and insisted upon being given the clearance. ATC again instructed him to immediately return to the ramp of the service center and that his failure to do so would result in a charge of failing to follow ATC's instructions. He was livid. He returned to the ramp and while taxing was instructed that once the aircraft was secured on the ramp he was ordered to attend to the ramp of the Control Tower where he was told he would be meeting with the ATC supervisor. Once he drove over to the Tower Ramp he was met with both the ATC supervisor and Canadian Federal Law enforcement (RCMP). He was subsequently charged under the Canadian Criminal Code with three violations. Unsafe operation of an aircraft, Failure/refusal to follow directions of ATC and reckless endangerment of the public while operating an aircraft. He had his license revoked pending trial dates. After about a year and what I suspect were very hefty legal fees, I heard he was found not guilty on the charges but this is a lesson that ATC is the authority having jurisdiction and that testing their resolve by being defiant, confrontational and ignorant is very much a no win situation.
What we developed at our tower controlled class-D operation were "transition routes" that were made with ATC and local pilots through an outreach program. There could be 2 routes from Spruce Creek, one eastbound (Straight-out route) and one southbound (Highway route). Take off, establish contact with ATC and request "Highway route, at 1500'" or "Straight out, at 1500'". Everyone would have familiarized themselves with these routes, cuts down on chatter and misunderstanding.... it's worked for us for 20 years...
I was in a situation like this. I was the pilot told by ATC to continue the downwind, I complied because I saw where this was heading with the "wrong way Corrigan" pilot and ATC conversation. Very simular to what I experience.
I think, and correct me if I’m wrong, the only thing that is allowed to over ride ATC instructions is if a plane is equipped with TCAS and the TCAS is advising to do something else. However after that I’d imagine you need to go back to following ATCs orders once the collision is safely avoided. I think even during a declared emergency you still have to *try* to follow ATC instructions because they can make sure you have the space to do what you need then and have proper personnel ready to respond as needed in a designated area (when possible).
@@lawnboy81SMS PIC (pilot in command) can refuse ATC instructions by saying "unable", but if you do so, you better have a really good reason why you refused when they ask you later. That reason can be alot of reasonable things, but it can't be "I didn't want to fly that way"
@@lawnboy81SMS "aviate, navigate, communicate" in that order. If a conflict arises, it's still in that order. What that means is that if the instruction you are given by ATC (communicate) would be dangerous in some way (interfere with your ability to aviate or navigate) You can do otherwise. That said, you'd better be able to justify yourself later, because you WILL be asked to do so!
Are we allowed to run red lights when we drive? No. We follow instructions and laws for a reason! That entitlement should cost him all flying privileges
He may have lived there for 20+ years, but how long has he been practicing aviation radio etiquette? I don't fly at all and I've learned more than he exhibited just by watching Pilot Debrief!
I was a passenger in my aged mother's car when she did EXACTLY that. It was on I-95 just north of West Palm Beach and the only reason we didn't die was because traffic was light due to the late hour. We were in a middle lane, not on the shoulder, and I nearly soiled my pants. If anyone wonders about seeing your life flash before your eyes, I can attest that it is true 😀
@@sjb3460 Thank God we don't have flying cars. My mom gave up her driver's license when her vision was diminished. She only had one accident in her life and it wasn't her fault.
The only appropriate response to someone who has just completely disregarded air traffic instructions who then says “I’ve been living here 25 years” is: “congratulations sir…you’ve been an asshole for a lot longer than that.” I’m ex RAF and although I’ve flown with some arrogant guys, thankfully none of them were quite stupid enough to completely ignore ATC. That’s a level of stupid that gives me the willies 😳
One thing I find really terrific about flying is how, when VFR, the successful outcome of the flight is largely in your own two hands. The guy holding the stick of 9RB failed that test.
You are by far the most humble fighter pilot I have listened to. Love the content and hearing your expertise on flying. Thank you for your service and keep up the awesome work!
I hope your licensing authorities had a "little" chat with this guy. His actions are almost unbelievable but there it is right on radar. Get guys like him out of the air.
That pilot was absolutely out of his mind, arrogant, defiant and entitled just like you said. He is talking to an air traffic controller for Pete's sake… Not the guy who is running the bumper car ride at the local carnival in town. Which even that could be dangerous… But to want/and actually disregard an air traffic controllers instructions? He created so much danger and it doesn't even register with him one bit. Very dangerous. License should be suspended for a significant amount of time... full stop. 🛑 ✋
I'm a low hours pilot (150+ hours). There are volumes and volumes of things I don't know (yet) about flying; but following instructions from ATC is something I know quite well. The pilot in this video sounds older than me (I'm 64). I would hope that his longevity (especially in the air) was due to his attention to details and regulations, but I suspect that his longevity is due primarily to the cautious flying of everyone around him and his own dumb luck. Thanks for the video.
And this kind of pilot makes Spruce Creek area dangerous for everyone else! Now I understand why my instructor don't like me flying alone anywhere near Spruce Creek🙂
As a CFI who teaches at a Class C airport, I very much emphasize proper ATC comms, why it's important, and what kinds of give-and-take are possible. After all my demonstration and instruction, I would never have thought it necessary to make explicit "… and don't ever LIE to the controller about where you are or what you're doing" but I guess I will start saying it, using this bad pilot as an example. The worst behavior I ever had to critique was a student who wanted to fly at his planned altitude, but that was just a couple hundred feet above the cloud deck, so to be legal he climbed a few hundred feet to get to an altitude he thought was sufficient VFR cloud clearance, and then reset his altimeter so that it read his advertised altitude. Yikes. I told him, first of all, that's not going to work because your transponder is reporting pressure altitude and your altimeter setting isn't going to affect it at all; second of all, what you're trying to do is deliberately show that you're in a different location in the sky than you actually are! What if ATC had to manage a traffic conflict? What if there were terrain or an obstacle you were unaware of and they needed to warn you about? I wish I'd thought to say it that succinctly: Don't ever ever LIE on the radio!
Agree and if you do not know something or you are lost admit it. IF you do not know the landmark do not act like you know the landmark. Say you are not familiar with the landmark. No harm stating you do not know something. Better to make a fool of your self and feel dumb then to make a situation dangerous.
Thank you for your service to our country sir! I appreciate you for ensuring the safety of me and my family! 🇺🇸🇺🇸 Keep up the great videos and I can not believe there is pilots flying around out there with such disregard for everyone’s safety.
I won't call him a pilot but I bet that hard headed soul flies over the interstate -500 everywhere he travels. They say Sam Walton flew so low that when he piloted his craft over an intersection he felt compelled to regard stop signs & traffic lights. Another Classic! TY have a good one
First of all, thanks for creating Pilot Debrief. I am a 79 year old hearing aid wearing CFI who flies out of class D airspace. I do several flight reviews with pilots of my vintage and have noticed many older pilots have hearing loss that they are either denying or have not had diagnosed. If I don't see hearing aids on an older pilot I pay close attention to their radio communications. If a radio call is missed, I tell the pilot and tell them what ATC said then listen to how they respond. If they miss a call again we discontinue the flight until they have a hearing check and get hearing aids if necessary. In the scenario above, that may have been part of the issue but I doubt it. Most of those I fly with are glad to see what their problems are.
That guy was just crazy…I work at Daytona International Airport, I know Spruce Creek Fly In and live across the road from there..gI’ve been flying for decades..New Smyrna Beach airport is very busy there with Epic Flight Academy..he needed to listen and follow towers instructions..if it were me, I would of headed South, followed I95 then and only then making sure I was out of their airspace turned East and then head south along the shore..simple and safe!! Case closed. No excuse for someone flying for 25 years in this airspace not to follow instruction or just go South, turn East and head South along the shoreline..🤔I did most of my flying in New York City, Connecticut and New Jersey airspace..I’d like to him try that up there!
Very well done. Thank God nobody died. These tower directions are a matter of life and death. Honesty, humility, and approachability are vital. I would bet ten bucks this guy had a few drinks in him. Did the FAA pay him a visit? He needs to be suspended for a while.
I agree. He was definitely impaired, and my first guess is alcohol. My second guess is that he is a stroke survivor, and with speech patterns like that, he probably isn't fit to fly anymore.
My husband and I flew a Piper Saratoga over 30 thirty years. During one of our last flights before selling our plane we were about 5 miles out on approach to the Tonopah airport in Nevada which is an uncontrolled field to make a fuel stop. After we radioed our position another pilot responded he was also on approach closer to the airport. We began looking for him in his reported position both visually and on our ADS-B display but saw nothing. To be safe we entered a wide holding pattern circling the airport waiting for him to land. But after approximately another 15 minutes in our holding pattern the other pilot had still not landed. Then suddenly a Cessna came swooping down over us within a couple of hundred feet in a steep descent on approach to the airport. Apparently the other pilot didn't want to wait in line behind us to fuel his plane so he lied about his position and almost caused a mid air collision in order to land ahead of us. In hindsight I wish I had used my cell phone to take photos of the other pilot and his plane and report him to the FAA for reckless flying but at the time I was still in a state of shock from the near miss mid air collision. I will never know wether that other pilot saw us in the holding pattern or not or if he intentionally buzzed us perhaps in his mind to let us know he had "outsmarted" us by lying about his position.
Arrogant, entitled, and defiant is absolutely correct. I love the line about living there for 25 years has nothing to do with following instructions. The pilot had confirmation bias, on top of the dangerous attitudes.
That was a pretty ridiculous exchange! I have only been flying 7 years and have so much to learn yet. I hope I never act that entitled or arrogant! Good coverage on what not to do as a safe and cautious pilot!
Nicely put in just three words: arrogant, entitled, defiant. Not only does that describe the worst kind of pilot, it describes the worst type of human being as well.
It's a PRIVILEGE to fly just like it is to drive. This pilot needs to have his license suspended...what a danger he was to anyone else in the area and a total jackass to ATC. I bet he is just as bad driving on the road as he is in the air. Worst type of person to be operating any motorized vehicle.
This guy sounds exactly like an older version of the guy who famously busted the Class B at Las Vegas a couple years ago, ATC tells him "Turn left and exit the Class Bravo immediately!" and he says "NO! Clear me through the Class Bravo! I've been talking to you the whole time!" Then when given the number to call, he says "I can't take down a number, I'm flying!" LOL.
That refusal to comply and then lie ought to subject a pilot to being grounded and some retraining. He was risking other people's lives. I was landing at a Unicom once and a young crop duster pilot came down into my final approach to land forcing me to go around. He never used his radio. He left the airport quickly after I landed to avoid confrontation. Love this channel!
Unbelievable! Right up until now I did not even think such a pilot's behaviour possible. I hope he got his licence revoked or at least suspended for quite some time.
Not only was the controller right, YOU are right to see to it that such a pilot is called out publicly, for the future safety of us all should he fly nearby. Thank you!
I think the pilot dude should have been met by police upon landing due to possible DUI and/or license revoked pending investigation of his piloting conduct.
Licence should be revoked. No mitigating circumstances. He is a danger and a menace to everyone, everything, everywhere above and on the ground. Imagine him ignoring Control in JFK airspace. They would have sent up an F18 to bring him down either with a missile or escort . Preferably a missile. At least that would keep him permanently out of anyone's airspace.
That controller was way more patient than that clown deserved. I’d like to see him try that entitled BS down here in SoCal. ATC would eat him alive. The FAA should get that guy out of the air. We don’t want to be flying anywhere near someone that arrogant.
We have them here in Southern CA. Had one that decided to land opposite the left pattern traffic at the Non- controlled airport - Golf airspace ( free for all airspace ). He said he can land on either runway that he felt like it. I did not dare enter the traffic pattern with that bozo and flew somewhere else for a while till he landed. Then I entered and landed.
Actually, if you go back and watch this again, you may actually realize that this entire 'incident' (if you can call it that) was due to the ATC not listening to the pilot. That pilot told ATC that he intended to fly south, but ATC told him not to after ATC gave him the two options to go N-NE or S. RB said he wanted to go S but ATC told him to then go N. When pilot then saw the planes and how close he was, he planned to turn right to go back south like he had intended, ATC then told him to turn left, to go the way he never wanted to go. Had the ATC not told him to go N, NONE of this would have happened. The ATC was being a jerk and the pilot responded in kind. Doesn't excuse the pilot's mistakes, of which there were several, but the ATC caused this.
Quick Internet lookup of this aircraft and the owning company leads you to the owner who happens to live at Spruce Creek airport. Looks like his last medical was in 2011. I'd say he probably needs a flight review along with a new medical.
I only have 600+ hours as pilot in command, but had I been one of the two pilots in the pattern I would file a complaint with the FFA against that reckless, uppity pilot who endangered my life, limb, and my aircraft! Additionally, the Controller had the patience many would not have had…he was very professional.
unfortunately IMHO, he is more the typical G/A pilot. Likely just barely wealthy, used to barking orders and getting his way from the bootlickers he employed over a career of doing less and less himself. That allowed him to think the world revolves around him. Try giving a guy like this a flight review...it's doubtful he ever earned an instrument rating, that's where it would be easy to humble an arrogant DB like this.
It starts out OK, and then it gets worse. Over time. You would think the FAA would have some sort of regular recertification, or something, and not just give a guy a license and let him drive a plane over the interstates for the rest of his life. Yes, being ironic.
@@DC-3Derek If he is an ATP it’s even worse! I would have give him the benefit of the doubt if he was a Private Pilot… but now he has ABSOLUTELY no excuse. His ATP should be suspended. He is arrogant and condescending; you can hear this in his voice. Entering by mistake a class D, C or even B could happen, but once ATC tells you what to do, you follow instructions… you don’t argue. He MAY have an ATP, but he doesn’t act as a professional pilot, no matter what he does or how much money he owns. This is the kind of guy nobody with common sense, ethic and safety in mind would like to fly with or should ever fly with. He is a menace to the airspace, wherever he is in the air. He needs to be grounded, full stop. BTW, I am an active ATP and this guy is a disgrace to the profession if he told you he is truly a professional pilot, which I seriously doubt! Many people lie to impress others, especially in Florida! I lived 10 years there (while flying as a student pilot and then a CFI, CFII and MEI) and I learned a lot about who not to trust while over there. A lot of Florida people (especially the “rich” one) feel entitled… just disgusting liars and not even ashamed by their behavior. Poor Florida!
IMO - Trent did NOT do anything wrong! - Since when is making an inspection pass, deciding there are Better Options and going elsewhere, an issue? - Apparently the FAA only goes after RUclips Creators!
I found your channel a few days ago and find it very informative. Interestingly, I find you to be humble, credible and approachable and extremely knowledgeable. Would be reassuring if all pilots had your attitude.
Work a blue collar job dealing with the public and you know well that 2-3 people out of every 100 are like this. The requirements of aviation likely bring most of them off their high horse, but a few let their true self show.
I'm new to the channel and had only viewed accidents that (unfortunately) resulted in serious injury or fatalities. This is definitely a pilot looking for a place in either category. Sadly, it's just a matter of time before he'll become the subject of another video of Pilot Debrief. Keep up the great work!
I am not a pilot. I've watched about a dozen of Hoover's debriefs and other accident/incident commentaries on other channels. I do not understand why ATCs rarely , if ever, ask a pilot to report their compass heading. A "What is your compass heading and what is your altitude now?" is asking the pilot to make two simple declarative answers that should demonstrate to the ATC that they have at least a rudimentary understanding where they are in space. Are these considered impolite questions? In this particular video, these questions would have forced the pilot to decide really early to lie or tell the truth about his plane's heading. No wasteful back and forth. And, if he lied the ATC should have called the bs asap and reminded the pilot that he had the stated lie on tape.
Or maybe he's a "very, very stable genius" running for president again and crying, whining, sulking, pouting and lying and lying and lying about a stolen election.
He will probably tell the FAA that his compass and heading indicator or HSI were all giving him faulty information, and he really was heading 360. What a jerk!
When I was working as a TRI/TRE on a B787 Dreamliner, I was constantly reminding my trainees to look outside and scan for VFR traffic. Especially when we were descending towards landing in a busy airspace. Because I knew what kind of idiots might be out there. This guy is just confirming my point of the view.
It sounds to me like you need much stricter licencing. And maybe it would be a good idea to keep these little planes well away from airports with busy airspaces.
I know nothing about patterns or flying for that matter , but watching and listening to your debrief was so easy to understand and follow what was going on . Nice job 👏🏻
My years of flying have shown to be careful of who you hop in a plane with. This is a good example of one to stay away from, arrogance and flying are a bad combo and will bite you sooner or later------ also hurts the relationship between pilots and controllers. It is hard to believe someone that sounds old enough to know better ----doesn't !
This pilot was endangering life simply because of his arrogance. To be in conflict with a controller and disrespectful of controlled airspace is utter madness. He clearly knew where he was but wouldn't know where all the other planes were. A buffoon that needs to be grounded.
I absolutely relish the controller’s response of “living here 25 years has nothing to do with following air traffic control instructions” 👏 👏
The pilot was in a real pickle.
Yeah, like what, so many years of residence means you can do whatever you want? That's not how any of this works. Follow instructions. Lives depend on it.
But officer, I have lived her for the last 30 years, so I am allowed to drive in the left lane. :-)
I belly-laughed when I heard that.
Arrogance n ego kills alot of pilots!! And I avoid people( pilots) at all times.like doctors with bonanzas....
This guy seems to think we don't really need air traffic control. He is dangerous and needs to be grounded.
Well, Daytona Beach. Hes a Florida Man.
@@dfuher968 Florida man. When you hear that you don't need an explaination. Not insulting everyone there, just making a florida man joke.
@@starcrafter13terran I have relatives in Florida. The "Florida man" thing is real. 😆
Of course he doesn't need ATC, he lived there for 25 years.
@@dfuher968 Everyone that lives in FL aren't all native to FL. = I've met a lot of "snowbirds" that are ignorant and arrogant as well, so 🤷♂
I'll never forget making a poor VFR decision to agree to pick up a friend in a mountainous area with some crappy weather moving in. It was a 5 hour drive for him to drop a car off and I didn't have the heart to tell him, No, after he had already left hours before. I got almost all the way there but weather had already closed off the last mountain peaks and forced me to turn around. On the way back clouds formed in front of me and left nowhere to go but up. January in a C172 @ 10k' above PA... not a very warm place to be. I swallowed my pride, called ATC to let them know the situation. I'll never forget, he said, "Is the plane IFR rated?" Negative. "Is the pilot IFR rated?" Negative. "Understood." Next thing I know, airliners departing from Allentown PA are calling out holes in front of me. ATC asked, "Can you maintain VFR through any of those?" Uh, Affirmative! I got through a hole right above my destination and said, "I guess you want me to call you, huh?" ATC said, "Have a nice day sir." I thanked him and then the airline pilots and got some very satisfying clicks back. Aviation is a great community.
What's a clicks back?
@@sdrawkcab190 casual acknowledgement for something that doesn't require a full response
@@sdrawkcab190 An acknowledgement by quickly keying the mic. Click click, basically means, affirmative, agreed or understood.
Yup, aviation is a great community, despite the FAA's best efforts.
@@sdrawkcab190I learn something new everyday.😊
As a retired ATCer, this is the kind of guy you remember for the next time he requests to enter your airspace ... you save yourself another round of headaches with a simple "unable".
Judging from what I've seen the type of guy might enter the airspace anyway.
Which might cause him to lose his license... maybe not a bad thing!
@Hairysteed Then he will either fly anyway, or buy something that doesn't require a license and fly anywhere he pleases...because that's who he is...
@@misters2837What "something" that flies does not require a licence to fly except for maybe toy airplanes or radio controlled ones?
@@sarthakmohanty997IKR? Even drones are regulated by the FAA...
@sarthakmohanty997 You don't need a license to fly an ultralight...Granted they are not allowed in specific classes of airspace without ATC communication, but I highly doubt this guy would care...Just Saying,
When I was still a student, I heard the words you never want to hear after I landed. "Taxi to the base of the tower and shut down." I did as instructed, all the while wracking my brain to figure out what I had done wrong. I had asked the controller to repeat an instruction once, but wasn't that what you're supposed to do if you're unsure? Anyway, after a couple of minutes, the door at the base of the tower opens and out pops the controller. She walks over to the airplane, smiles, and say "Hi. You're not in trouble. Have you been talking on radios a long time?" I confirmed that I had both military and SAR-related experience with hundreds of hours on radios, but was a student pilot. "Can you do me a favor? Can you remind us you're a student when you call, please? The thing is that you don't SOUND like a student, and we're likely to ask you to do something that you're not familiar with." She was totally cool about the whole thing. The controllers are focused on keeping people safe. There's absolutely no reason to be a jerk to them.
Not always. But most traffic controllers are entitled power hungry punks that have never flown a plane and continually get away with treating pilots like crap
Awesome comment, thx for that one
I am an atc and I once had a similar experience. Turned out the student pilot was an IVAO aficionado and had built a really interesting experience talking, his phraseology was pretty good and he sounded almost professional when talking in spite of having just a few hours of flying time. He actually spoke better than the instructor!
Great story!
I had something similar at Charlotte. Was doing my first night flight and I guess I sounded like I knew what I was doing (former communicator in USMC). Controller starts asking me to do pattern holds and then a break neck decent to landing. Thank goodness I had my instructor next to me because I barely understood what was being asked of me.
Looking back the request was pretty simple. I was just so new to the process that I was left a bit confused. I used student pilot in my calls from then on.
Suspend this arrogant fool's Licence until he learns Pilot etiquette and to follow ATC's Instructions !!!
Permanently
i done with people like this.. on road etc..
imo no license for like 5 years.
its not a legal right. its a privelage. other peoples lives are at stake. pay attention, do ur job or get out.
I doesn't need to be suspended. It needs to be revoked.
I will say as a CPC I think we need to revise our requirements for Class D as some of those are extremely busy. Not sure why the controller says suggested heading unless they aren’t radar certified. That’s another issue. But he did give commands later to suggest he was. It’s a little worrisome the controller had to think about it.
No. Not until anything. Forever.
30,000+ hours and I’ve never heard such arrogance! Unsafe is an understatement. I hope he had certificate action. Keep up the good work.
he definately needs one. Like loss of license and a required complete resit of his PPL. What a dickhead
I see you have a reply that was censored by RUclips. What did they say?
flying 500 hours and think this guy need revocation. simply unsafe and could have caused deaths of himself and multiple other aircraft.
I flew with an instructor once who acted very similarly to this guy. He was adamant that the controller could not tell him where to fly. And he was a CFI. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. Somehow, he didn't end up getting a number to call. Probably because that particular airport didn't have radar.
Revocation.
What a jerk. And terribly unsafe pilot.
As a former USAF Instructor and current professional/commercial pilot, I know there is nothing you can do with a pilot who displays this amount arrogance EXCEPT to award him an FAA violation. Period.
As person who relishes reading comments that start with, "As a ____ _____ ....." I thought yours here was a very fine specimen. And I salute you for it.
Just unbelievable! The controller actually was very nice. This guy was indeed arrogant, incompetent and just wanted his way or the highway. Aviation is a big family of very nice, helping and humble people, this guy sure doesn't belong.
I don't usually like to assume things, but it sounds like this is a classic case of an older pilot who thinks he's above the rules and can do whatever he wants. Most older pilots are great but there are a some who give everyone else a bad rep.
@@yobb1n544 This guy didn't get this way by growing older...He's always been this way.
Yeah... usually there is at least some grey area in these incidents, but this guy was 100% wrong throughout.
Tower man exercised extreme patience before lowering the hammer.
EXTREME
Good controller! Seasoned vet. I like his high tolerance of jerkiness abehavior.
But when he reached his limit, he rightfully let it all hang out, told the errant pilot, and let everybody else know too. That's accountability and serves as a punishment and warning at the same time. Better than just "Call this number" right away with no explanation. If I didn't know better, I would almost think this pilot was part of a comedy routine of what NOT to do in crowded Florida airspace.
@@horacesawyer2487 "tolerance" is built up from repeated exposure. Proximity to "The Creek" as Ron calls it, likely gave the tower controller many opportunities to build that tolerance. Having home shopped there few times, I'd always walked away with the same conclusion. Who would want to live with those people?!
I'm glad you covered this. I've seen comments and videos defending the pilot and crucifying the tower controller when as far as I see there's absolutely nothing the tower did wrong. Also notable is how low he gets. You're supposed to remain 500 feet above terrain (and 1000 feet above densely populated areas) unless you're on approach for a landing, and this guy got as low as 275 feet. He actively disrupted a traffic pattern when he wasn't even in the pattern himself. Unacceptable.
If he didn’t want to go north of the field then he should’ve just told the tower right at the beginning and tower probably would’ve told him to turn right and head back over the interstate. Instead he did what he wanted to do. The tower controller didn’t do anything wrong.
The old guy was already in the airspace when he contacted the tower and asked for a southerly heading. Instructions from the tower controller are ABSOLUTE in this scenario. The old guy should get his ticket pulled and not be allowed up in the air again.
wow, I'm surprised anyone would defend him, that is some next level foolishness to believe this guy did nothing wrong.
I trained at Daytona and flew this whole area Spruce creek has some real A holes.
The tower gave him the option of going either way around the pattern. He chose the route East then South then completely ignored the instructions required to follow along that route and instead headed in between both routes and directly towards traffic.
FAA should pull his ticket. He is a menace to others.
Exactly what I was thinking! He’s a very dangerous, Narcissistic man!
Been a local pilot for 25 years and still doesn’t fully understand the fundamental conditions associated with Class D CONTROLLED airspace. The FAA need to review his license.
As someone who wishes they could afford to spend the time and money to get a pilot's license, I can't believe there are people who actually have them and care so little about keeping them.
Not only the investment in the PPL, looks like the pilot bought that plane new in 2019, ~$250k.
@@DanaMyersK6JQ Now it makes sense. Rich arrogant Bas......
I'd be willing to bet he's the same way behind the wheel of an automobile! Death on 4-wheels...
@@DanaMyersK6JQ This pilot is a book example of "how to tell you're narcistic without saying it directly".
Definitely sounds like he's the kind of person who has enough money that he believes he can buy his way out of any consequences.
You are absolutely right in your assessment of him. I hope they ground him, suspend his pilot license for 6 months and require he receive remedial training. Pilots like him give all of us a bad name! ! !
I got a Call The Tower once when I got shook up having gone NORDO because of my switchology being wrong. When I figured it out and safely landed, I called fearing the worst. She must have heard the fear in my voice as she calmly and kindly talked me through what I should have done. Squawk 7600 and look for the light gun. Then she thanked me for calling and hung up. End of story and a huge lesson learned for me.
Very cool !!
Yeah, they don't always want to give you trouble; sometimes they just want to tell you something that is too long to do over the radio.
There's a massive difference between a single honest mistake and repeated intentional defiance.
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That good old boy basically said "I've been flying here for over 25 years and I've never needed anybody on the ground to tell me how to get where I was going, and I'm not about to start now". The problem with this clown is that they could pull his license but that won't keep him out of his beloved cub.
True, I once knew a guy that could no longer pass the class 3 medical. Had an old Waco that he worked on himself. He would fly and stated, what are they going to do, take my certificate away? They cant take my plane. Now to give the guy some credit he was a heck of a pilot. At this period of time at this particular little field there were several guys that had flown fighters in the european theater in ww2. Some aces some with multiple kills - he was one of them.
@@fjohnson9749I mean they could put him in jail and then his plane could be seized as evidence. There’s always that.
@@fjohnson9749 so, basically typical a holes
Described the pilot's attitude perfectly! We've all seen 'em before unfortunately.
That's actually not a thing@@Longspout15
Hoover you’re 100% spot on. I hope he gets his license pulled.
I dealt with something similar recently. I’m a skydive instructor, and was under parachute at about 2500 ft, when I saw an aero commander flying crosswind over the runway at 2000 ft. He was definitely within .5 miles from my position, and showed complete disregard for our radio calls and LAO indicator on his navigation.
When I landed, I immediately drove up to him as he was walking away from his plane and asked him if he heard our calls and noticed us. He said he heard and saw us, so I asked why he still proceeded to fly right over the airport at 2k ft. He said he was nowhere near the airport. When I told him he was flying parallel to me, close enough for me to see the tail numbers on the plane, he had the audacity to say “must have been pretty cool then.”
He showed complete disregard for our operations and our safety, and I made sure to send a screenshot of his Flightradar24 data and my witness account to the FAA. Of course he was some “old-timer” with a huge ego, and I’m just some 30 year old skydiver that he thought he could just walk all over.
I hope he had a fun time explaining that to the FAA.
Yeah, I was believing you until you said "our radio calls". Then I knew it was bogus, because the only pilots that use the radio less than a jump plane pilot are the crop duster pilots.
@@drsudz our pilot is required to make all calls. Especially 2 min prior and jumpers away. Considering it’s a small public airport with no tower in class G/E airspace in the pattern, someone not communicating on the local frequency isn’t unheard of. But we make our calls through local and with regional ATC. So he must have been on tower for a nearby airport, or just not paying attention. Still neglectful nonetheless. If one is flying near an airport with a parachute symbol on the chart, it might be wise to listen in before that person un-alives someone.
@bkelsey6692 You realize it's telling when you say, "we make ALL our calls" followed immediately by "ESPECIALLY 2 min prior and jumpers away", right? LOL... But I agree, 97% of jump pilots announce jumpers away, however that is typically the last radio call you'll hear until they're on the ground. (This is my experience in California and Nevada) Still, they're better than crop dusters - I'm convinced 90% of those guys either don't have a radio or don't know how to operate it.
@@drsudz I’m confused. By saying “it’s telling” of something when I explain our SOPs, what is it telling of? That we are constantly on the radio making the calls required of us by FAA? Yes. Yes it is.
@@drsudz aren’t crop dusters usually operating on a private airport and under any sort of pattern altitude for nearby airports? If I’m wrong please tell me.
Also, logical reasoning would imply that about 5 minutes after the “jumpers away” call, all parachutes would be on the ground.
There is no place for this kind of conduct. I hope he gets all the consequences of his negative conduct coming his way.
Absolutely. Attitude like these cause accidents. I feel sorry for his flight instructor.. must've been sweating bullets.
Sure there is - on the ground lol
Controller too.
@jshoneycutt2012 No the controller was very professional and in no way did anything wrong
Couple decades ago in my CFI days I was tasked with doing a rental checkout with a guy like this, talked on the radio with not only non-standard, but completely inaccurate radio calls that made no sense followed by lots of “tally ho, roger that, lettin er rip, you got it boss”. In a low work load environment when you are doing everything correctly and safely sometimes a little colorful radio transmission is appreciated, but not if the underlying clearance or instructions are not understood or followed. When I explained to him about his mistakes and the importance of proper R/T, he told me I had a stick up my rear end. I didn’t want to sign him off, so handed it to the flight school owner who did and told me not get so easily offended. The guy took off and flew smack into the departure corridor of the class bravo and got into an argument with ATC over it. Eerie how alike they both sounded.
The investigation of pilots like this almost always finds other issues like no current medical or aircraft out of annual. Like the controller said, he just does what he wants.
ATC refers to these "Darwinian Wonders" as rogues. Nothing worse than a rogue, because now ATC has a huge headache guiding this individual, all while having multiple aircraft stacked and neatly separated. They don't need a turd clogging the works. And when the FAA gets wind? Certificate Action and possibly forfeiture of your license.
A little bit of respect and professional courtesy go a long way in this business. Plan your flight, make sure you got a transponder for ATC to identify you, and BE NICE!! They are protecting far more than your miserable hide.
And that was all good and well back in the old days. And it's just not that way anymore...
What? Ya didn't know that flyin 25 yrs in those parts gets you an automatic exemption from such pesky bureaucratic regulatory hoopla?
Frankly, I was cringing with his first communication with the tower. I am not a pilot. However, years ago, I was assigned some small aircraft fatal crashes to review. In each unfortunate situation, it was a successful businessman who mistakenly thought he could do any thing he wanted . . . like flying above his rating or safely ignoring weather reports. This guy fits the profile.
Right. The alcoholic car salesman profile.
Doctors and dentist are the worst arrogant and think they can do whatever they want
What you see is pressure alt. I don’t know the barometer that day but looking at the other airplane in down wind it looks like 300 ft higher. So he’s flying at about 750 msl. Not terrible as it doesn’t look populated.
I would have loved to have seen that in London Heathrow airspace. At least the fighter pilots at RAF Northolt would have got a break from polishing their boots.
rich man who thing they are above the law? ou dont say
Radio phraseology on both sides is so important not only to keep everything clear, but maintain a professional attitude and reinforce the authority of both atc and the pilot
The fact that he STILL didn't fly 360 after all that, just kept doing about 040 being in the traffic pattern just to get to his shoreline is absurd.
@@77thTrombone Goodness, sure seems par for the course... *facepalm*
@@77thTrombone How does this idiot's profession correlate to his acting like a "Richard"?
@@77thTrombone Definitely makes a lot of sense now from what we heard... shamelessness.
What a fool - endangering others should cause him to lose license.
Not following ATC instructions should be an immediate license suspension pending a hearing for possible revoking of license for life.
Yes, but always aviate first if you need to. You are the PIC.
@@nacarp2000 Great comment. If you watched the video you are commenting on, you would see how embarrassing your comment is. Lol!
@@nacarp2000 I am assuming you are the idiot pilot in the video?
@@nacarp2000 you’re not a pilot are you
Yikes.
The FAA should permanently clip Romeo Bravo’s wings. That idiot doesn’t deserve to be in the same airspace with another human. He’s going to kill someone some day with that arrogant attitude
He's probably a good old boy that knows all the local FAA. 😂
I understand your point, but I don't think he's an idiot; he's definitely a life threatening menace, though. He really didn't know where he was. I think he was intending to head further South, just clipping the dotted blue lines, before heading East, but he started heading East early, so far East he thought he was in China, and he became a serious problem to ATC. It's not an incident that can just be called an oopsy and immediately forgiven.
@gordon3576: I couldn't agree with you more.
Yea right. Take his wings away for life.
This is the kind of guy who would just fly without a license anyway.
Never mind being a bad pilot, but arrogant, entitled, and defiant is the worst type of person there is, in the air or on the ground.
To be a good person, you need to be humble, approachable, and credible. My dad taught me those values when I was seven years old. Humility, patience, integrity. Apparently, this guy never learned anything from anyone.
Your breakdown videos are great; I look forward to them. Not your typical reaction 'to a thing' videos. You add so much clarity and value to the incidents, and you are so clear and easy to understand.
Did your dad teach you anything about hubris? Just wondering what kind of guy makes a post about the qualities of "good" and "bad" people, references their dad yet makes no mentions concerning the importance of context. Teachers are held to the highest of standards.n Were you taught anything about having respect for your elders or stop to imagine that listening to ATC (not defending his actions btw just highlighting how unfortunate it must be for him and having sympathy) is likely the equivalent of Tommy Lee Jones'v character in No Country for Old Men? He's probably been flying since before that ATC was poopin' his diapers and my guess is that, thank God we have them, but he was probably one of the good pilots before ATC became necessary and perhaps even curses the "dumb" pilots who "ruined it for the rest of them." I have no idea tbh but your comment just made me sick is all. Sure, he needs to get with the times. Punish him. Fine him. Take his wings. But no need to to talk about him disrespectfully as a person to the point that you're soapboxing like that. You don't know a damn thing about the guy. (My apologies if he's like your neighbor or something..)
@@fredspofford Er- the context is the video if you care to watch it. If you can't follow rules or instructions from authority don't be a pilot, and don't expect to gain respect or kindness from anybody (unless they are as arrogant as you are)
@@calmac9720 Thanks, buddy. Could not have said it better myself.
@@fredspofford Are you like, "mental", or something? As they say, touched? I drink a lot, but you seem affected. Does brain illness run in your family? Just asking. It might be meaningful during the inquest.
Great work Air Traffic Controller. Sad to know people like him are flying airplanes.
His registration will now be remembered every time he flies through that area. Love your channel Hoover, great debriefs. 👍🏻
Thanks!
Oh, hell yeah! This good ol' boy has definitely been noticed!
On another channel that shared this same audio clip, he's a well known pilot that always causes trouble. I think $$$ is the only reason why he still flies.
No kidding. The controllers at my airport do me favors on a regular basis (in terms of slotting me in or getting me out on a runway before other traffic) partly because they know my plane can do it - but also because a common phrase I use with them is "whatever works best for you". There's nothing like ATC remembering your tail number for all the *wrong* reasons.
No, he will not t be flying through that air space again.
I believe this guy is a known flying danger zone in that area. He should be grounded for life.
Well I found an obituary for the name on the aircraft registration, hobbies included flying. Problem solved
just as well, innit. he got no business flying anywhere with that kinda attitude.@@idlewild13l
@@idlewild13l Middle name Daniel? I'm not sure you got the right guy.
Totally agree!!
AMEN!
Good grief! That controller has my kudos for being the epitome of professional and real. I hope the pilot got an appointment consequence.
Not professional. His attitude was just as poor as the pilot’s. The Pilot’s initial call was very clear, even if not “aviation sanitary.” Then the controller started making up his own reality for the pilot, cut the pilot off, and generally bullied the pilot. It’s a team sport up there. Further, the patter was north of the field so allowing the pilot to fly south like he first stated would have made far more sense. I love our controllers and all they do for us. But, they have responsibilities too.
@@jshoneycutt2012 What? Did you watch the same video? ATC didn't understand what the dude was saying at the start, but even if he did, what the pilot was saying didn't make any sense given his heading and proximity to the airspace unless by "clip" he meant, "My entire plane is going to be in the southwest of this airspace for a while." So ATC just suggested a way to go. And then the pilot started doing stupid shit after he was in the airspace, and ATC took exception to the whole potentially life-threatening danger thing.
What really blows my hair back is how/why the pilot would even consider telling a stone cold lie when HE KNOWS he's being watched closely on radar.
lucky in life and has a habit of getting his way would be my guess
ARROGANCE!!! He doesn't give a flying F is why. Good, take his license to fly away from this toddler.
True liars/manipulators never really learn their lesson because they always believe they can just BS their way out of the situation their BS put them into (no matter how many times they're shown otherwise)
It just never clicks for some folks that their words don't create reality
Probably has got away with far too much in his life up to now. It's a type.
His last medical was in 2011. Wonder why.
This is the kind of guy that gets rules written after his ignorance that forces us all to then have to comply.
LOL, the "rules" were already in place, he as to abide by Part 91 rules for operating in controlled airspace, following ATC instructions , etc.
arrogance* -- he wasn't ignorant, he simply refused to follow instructions per the letter of the law
This is the kind of guy who tailgates you on the interstate. He's far more important than any of us lowly professionals.
Yup rules in the first place were good enough just simply follow them
"Don't be the reason we have to create another rule,"
-- Every rulebook, ever.
I took a flight lesson once and overheard a very impatient ATC response (to some other pilot) and decided that my hearing was not good enough to not have to ask for a repeat and dropped the whole idea of being a pilot. It was nice to hear a very patient ATC in the face of such arrogance.
Most ATC are very good about such things. I've done some stupid shit on the radio, and ATC by and large is just "haha, pilot dumb, here's what I was hoping for."
Make sure you are cleared for the runway, and do your best, and you're fine. Get out there, the sky is worth it.
I can't stand people with attitudes like this guy. He's probably the same way behind the wheel of his car, dealing with waitstaff in restaurants, and pretty much everywhere else. I once scolded a guy who kept blowing through the stop sign in front of my house, and he got all pissed and yelled, "I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE SEVENTEEN YEARS!" Yeah, and you've never seen this stop sign?
"If another car did that at the same time maybe you wouldn't have lived 17 more minutes." I suppose his life isn't what's of primary importance to you and it certainly isn't to me, but pointing to the danger he's causing himself could conceivably work.
Most of the stop signs could be yield signs, stop only makes sense for super dangerous stuff like a non-perpendicular rail crossing where you literally have to stop to see what's going on. But in the US they are overusing stop signs where they aren't even needed. So why stop if you are sure you see all your surroundings and know there's nothing to stop for? Most drivers roll the stop sign because everyone knows it's pointless to stop if no one else is at the intersection. I'll tell you more I've had occasions where I almost cut someone because I had to stop before yielding which reduced my perfect time window to yield.
@@streettrialsandstuff Read that last sentence of yours back to yourself, very slowly. Then read it again if it doesn't sink in.
(I'll give you a hint if you still don't get it. Nobody's holding a gun to your head saying you need to get out in front of that car you almost cut off. You have the option to wait for it to pass, first. The fact that you apparently don't realize that is not the fault of the stop sign.)
LOL!
@@streettrialsandstuff It'a a matter of muscle memory because one day you may slide through the stop sign and get killed, or maybe even kill a little child in the other car who thought they had the right of way. People with attitudes like you need to stay off the road. Ride a bike, or stay home.
There must have been consequences for this guy right? I mean, I've been following the Trent Palmer case a bit and if FAA consideres what he was doing wrong this guy should be bamned for life
prob little to none - the ONLY reason Palmer got slapped so hard is because a) it was very high profile (bad FAA optics) and b) he was making money from the YT debacle
I'm sure if he actually made that call (which is kind of a coin-toss given what kinds of hazardous attitudes he so obviously holds) he would have at the least gotten a chewing out by a controller. Hopefully it also will have earned him a "709 ride" with an FAA inspector.
I thought that would be the case too. What type of consequence would a pilot face in a situation like this?
prob? YT?@@ghostrider-be9ek
It all sort of depends on the outcome of that phone call.
Harrison Ford had to do that phone call after the taxiway landing and the recording of that is on RUclips and can be listened to, and it shows how to handle that call.
This guy may have dug himself a way deeper hole after that phone call though.
Arrogant, defiant and entitled. That’s Florida Man in a nutshell.
This takes me back some 30 yrs to when I was sitting right seat in an Cessna 340 that was on it's post Annual inspection test flight. The owner and PIC was not familiar with the airport and proceeded, without clearance from ATC, to taxi to what he thought was the active runway. I could hear throughout his taxi ATC ground trying to raise him on the radio with him not responding. He had his head set tuned to the ATC active frequency. Once he reached the run up apron and positioned the aircraft for his run up, I informed him that ATC ground had been trying to raise him on the radio ever since he left the ramp of the service center. He then changed his head set to the ATC ground frequency. Once he established communication with ground they instructed him to immediately stop his runup, turn a 180 on the runup ramp and return to the ram of the service center. He was further instructed that once he had reached the service center ramp to shut down and secure the aircraft. He told ATC that he needed clearance for a VFR flight to what we called "the practice area" and he was told in very specific language that he would not be receiving any such clearance. He was indignant, rude and insisted upon being given the clearance. ATC again instructed him to immediately return to the ramp of the service center and that his failure to do so would result in a charge of failing to follow ATC's instructions. He was livid. He returned to the ramp and while taxing was instructed that once the aircraft was secured on the ramp he was ordered to attend to the ramp of the Control Tower where he was told he would be meeting with the ATC supervisor. Once he drove over to the Tower Ramp he was met with both the ATC supervisor and Canadian Federal Law enforcement (RCMP). He was subsequently charged under the Canadian Criminal Code with three violations. Unsafe operation of an aircraft, Failure/refusal to follow directions of ATC and reckless endangerment of the public while operating an aircraft. He had his license revoked pending trial dates. After about a year and what I suspect were very hefty legal fees, I heard he was found not guilty on the charges but this is a lesson that ATC is the authority having jurisdiction and that testing their resolve by being defiant, confrontational and ignorant is very much a no win situation.
What we developed at our tower controlled class-D operation were "transition routes" that were made with ATC and local pilots through an outreach program. There could be 2 routes from Spruce Creek, one eastbound (Straight-out route) and one southbound (Highway route). Take off, establish contact with ATC and request "Highway route, at 1500'" or "Straight out, at 1500'". Everyone would have familiarized themselves with these routes, cuts down on chatter and misunderstanding.... it's worked for us for 20 years...
that should be the end of your pilot 'career.'
Telling ATC "NO. I'm going RIGHT." when asked to go left.
Crazy.
I was in a situation like this. I was the pilot told by ATC to continue the downwind, I complied because I saw where this was heading with the "wrong way Corrigan" pilot and ATC conversation. Very simular to what I experience.
Gotta keep your head on a swivel out there!
I love the Wrong Way Corrigan reference!
I hope there is some kind of disciplinary action for not following ATC control.
@SonjaHamburg you hope he gets In Trouble for that? You're nuts
As a non pilot, even I can understand why a pilot MUST follow the ATC orders. Please get this gomer out of the air!
Me too. I couldn't fly a paper plane, but I completely understand why ATC must be listened to. I glad most pilots are not like this.
I think, and correct me if I’m wrong, the only thing that is allowed to over ride ATC instructions is if a plane is equipped with TCAS and the TCAS is advising to do something else. However after that I’d imagine you need to go back to following ATCs orders once the collision is safely avoided. I think even during a declared emergency you still have to *try* to follow ATC instructions because they can make sure you have the space to do what you need then and have proper personnel ready to respond as needed in a designated area (when possible).
@@lawnboy81SMS PIC (pilot in command) can refuse ATC instructions by saying "unable", but if you do so, you better have a really good reason why you refused when they ask you later. That reason can be alot of reasonable things, but it can't be "I didn't want to fly that way"
@@lawnboy81SMS "aviate, navigate, communicate" in that order. If a conflict arises, it's still in that order. What that means is that if the instruction you are given by ATC (communicate) would be dangerous in some way (interfere with your ability to aviate or navigate) You can do otherwise. That said, you'd better be able to justify yourself later, because you WILL be asked to do so!
Are we allowed to run red lights when we drive? No. We follow instructions and laws for a reason! That entitlement should cost him all flying privileges
He may have lived there for 20+ years, but how long has he been practicing aviation radio etiquette? I don't fly at all and I've learned more than he exhibited just by watching Pilot Debrief!
This is the kind of attitude that will stop in the middle of a freeway, back-up so he can make his missed turn.
I was a passenger in my aged mother's car when she did EXACTLY that. It was on I-95 just north of West Palm Beach and the only reason we didn't die was because traffic was light due to the late hour. We were in a middle lane, not on the shoulder, and I nearly soiled my pants. If anyone wonders about seeing your life flash before your eyes, I can attest that it is true 😀
Better. We took the car!@@sjb3460
..and then call his friends neighbor, the chief of police, and try to get the cop fired for ticketing him for backing up on the freeway.
@@sjb3460 Thank God we don't have flying cars.
My mom gave up her driver's license when her vision was diminished. She only had one accident in her life and it wasn't her fault.
Seems like the auto equivalent of this would be:
“Sir, you’re driving in the opposite lane.”
“It’s OK. I see the traffic.”
thats well said!
The only appropriate response to someone who has just completely disregarded air traffic instructions who then says “I’ve been living here 25 years” is: “congratulations sir…you’ve been an asshole for a lot longer than that.”
I’m ex RAF and although I’ve flown with some arrogant guys, thankfully none of them were quite stupid enough to completely ignore ATC. That’s a level of stupid that gives me the willies 😳
🤣🤣🤣
One thing I find really terrific about flying is how, when VFR, the successful outcome of the flight is largely in your own two hands. The guy holding the stick of 9RB failed that test.
Unbelievable! He was indeed arrogant. Lesson: "If you want to a great pilot, be humble, approachable and credible." Thanks, bwana Hoover for sharing.
You are by far the most humble fighter pilot I have listened to. Love the content and hearing your expertise on flying. Thank you for your service and keep up the awesome work!
I hope your licensing authorities had a "little" chat with this guy. His actions are almost unbelievable but there it is right on radar. Get guys like him out of the air.
That pilot was absolutely out of his mind, arrogant, defiant and entitled just like you said. He is talking to an air traffic controller for Pete's sake… Not the guy who is running the bumper car ride at the local carnival in town. Which even that could be dangerous… But to want/and actually disregard an air traffic controllers instructions? He created so much danger and it doesn't even register with him one bit. Very dangerous. License should be suspended for a significant amount of time... full stop. 🛑 ✋
I'm a low hours pilot (150+ hours). There are volumes and volumes of things I don't know (yet) about flying; but following instructions from ATC is something I know quite well. The pilot in this video sounds older than me (I'm 64). I would hope that his longevity (especially in the air) was due to his attention to details and regulations, but I suspect that his longevity is due primarily to the cautious flying of everyone around him and his own dumb luck. Thanks for the video.
And this kind of pilot makes Spruce Creek area dangerous for everyone else! Now I understand why my instructor don't like me flying alone anywhere near Spruce Creek🙂
If analogized to a gun range. if I knew a similar mentality about gun safety ever practiced locally I would never step foot in the place.
I agree Hoover. I’m just wondering how he’s managed to stay alive this long 😬
You are totally correct. This guy should be grounded for life so that others can live.
As a CFI who teaches at a Class C airport, I very much emphasize proper ATC comms, why it's important, and what kinds of give-and-take are possible. After all my demonstration and instruction, I would never have thought it necessary to make explicit "… and don't ever LIE to the controller about where you are or what you're doing" but I guess I will start saying it, using this bad pilot as an example.
The worst behavior I ever had to critique was a student who wanted to fly at his planned altitude, but that was just a couple hundred feet above the cloud deck, so to be legal he climbed a few hundred feet to get to an altitude he thought was sufficient VFR cloud clearance, and then reset his altimeter so that it read his advertised altitude. Yikes. I told him, first of all, that's not going to work because your transponder is reporting pressure altitude and your altimeter setting isn't going to affect it at all; second of all, what you're trying to do is deliberately show that you're in a different location in the sky than you actually are! What if ATC had to manage a traffic conflict? What if there were terrain or an obstacle you were unaware of and they needed to warn you about? I wish I'd thought to say it that succinctly: Don't ever ever LIE on the radio!
Agree and if you do not know something or you are lost admit it. IF you do not know the landmark do not act like you know the landmark. Say you are not familiar with the landmark. No harm stating you do not know something. Better to make a fool of your self and feel dumb then to make a situation dangerous.
Three Six Zero...ish.
Thank you for your service to our country sir! I appreciate you for ensuring the safety of me and my family! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Keep up the great videos and I can not believe there is pilots flying around out there with such disregard for everyone’s safety.
Clearly a "Menace to the airways". He was all of the things that you labeled him to be. I despise jerks like that.
I won't call him a pilot but I bet that hard headed soul flies over the interstate
-500 everywhere he travels. They say Sam Walton flew so low that when he piloted his craft over an intersection he felt compelled to regard stop signs & traffic lights.
Another Classic!
TY have a good one
First of all, thanks for creating Pilot Debrief. I am a 79 year old hearing aid wearing CFI who flies out of class D airspace. I do several flight reviews with pilots of my vintage and have noticed many older pilots have hearing loss that they are either denying or have not had diagnosed. If I don't see hearing aids on an older pilot I pay close attention to their radio communications. If a radio call is missed, I tell the pilot and tell them what ATC said then listen to how they respond. If they miss a call again we discontinue the flight until they have a hearing check and get hearing aids if necessary. In the scenario above, that may have been part of the issue but I doubt it. Most of those I fly with are glad to see what their problems are.
Great debrief as usual Hoover. Keep up the good work, you are a real asset to the aviation community.
BTW, I'm planning on getting my PPL next summer and I really appreciate your channel. I much prefer to learn from OTHER people's mistakes!
That guy was just crazy…I work at Daytona International Airport, I know Spruce Creek Fly In and live across the road from there..gI’ve been flying for decades..New Smyrna Beach airport is very busy there with Epic Flight Academy..he needed to listen and follow towers instructions..if it were me, I would of headed South, followed I95 then and only then making sure I was out of their airspace turned East and then head south along the shore..simple and safe!! Case closed. No excuse for someone flying for 25 years in this airspace not to follow instruction or just go South, turn East and head South along the shoreline..🤔I did most of my flying in New York City, Connecticut and New Jersey airspace..I’d like to him try that up there!
Very well done. Thank God nobody died. These tower directions are a matter of life and death. Honesty, humility, and approachability are vital. I would bet ten bucks this guy had a few drinks in him. Did the FAA pay him a visit? He needs to be suspended for a while.
I thought he sounded what we Brits would called 'well-oiled' but put that down to me not being used to his sort of rather ill-articulated accent.
I agree. He was definitely impaired, and my first guess is alcohol. My second guess is that he is a stroke survivor, and with speech patterns like that, he probably isn't fit to fly anymore.
My husband and I flew a Piper Saratoga over 30 thirty years. During one of our last flights before selling our plane we were about 5 miles out on approach to the Tonopah airport in Nevada which is an uncontrolled field to make a fuel stop. After we radioed our position another pilot responded he was also on approach closer to the airport. We began looking for him in his reported position both visually and on our ADS-B display but saw nothing. To be safe we entered a wide holding pattern circling the airport waiting for him to land. But after approximately another 15 minutes in our holding pattern the other pilot had still not landed.
Then suddenly a Cessna came swooping down over us within a couple of hundred feet in a steep descent on approach to the airport. Apparently the other pilot didn't want to wait in line behind us to fuel his plane so he lied about his position and almost caused a mid air collision in order to land ahead of us. In hindsight I wish I had used my cell phone to take photos of the other pilot and his plane and report him to the FAA for reckless flying but at the time I was still in a state of shock from the near miss mid air collision. I will never know wether that other pilot saw us in the holding pattern or not or if he intentionally buzzed us perhaps in his mind to let us know he had "outsmarted" us by lying about his position.
Arrogant, entitled, and defiant is absolutely correct. I love the line about living there for 25 years has nothing to do with following instructions. The pilot had confirmation bias, on top of the dangerous attitudes.
I bet a Trump supporter..Arrogant, Entitled and Defiant..perfect!😅
Sounds like he might have had a beer or two before flying...
That's what i thought.
That was a pretty ridiculous exchange! I have only been flying 7 years and have so much to learn yet. I hope I never act that entitled or arrogant! Good coverage on what not to do as a safe and cautious pilot!
My PPL examiner told me, you now have a license to learn how to fly.
Nicely put in just three words: arrogant, entitled, defiant. Not only does that describe the worst kind of pilot, it describes the worst type of human being as well.
You must be talking about Trump.
@@ray1965ify You bet I was.
It's a PRIVILEGE to fly just like it is to drive. This pilot needs to have his license suspended...what a danger he was to anyone else in the area and a total jackass to ATC. I bet he is just as bad driving on the road as he is in the air. Worst type of person to be operating any motorized vehicle.
"I'm not flying, I'm traveling, officer."
@@TruthNerdslol I was thinking SovCit. 😂
i wouldn't trust this guy on a bicycle tbf...
Rescinded, it needs to be permanently gone.
@@TruthNerds LOL
This guy sounds exactly like an older version of the guy who famously busted the Class B at Las Vegas a couple years ago, ATC tells him "Turn left and exit the Class Bravo immediately!" and he says "NO! Clear me through the Class Bravo! I've been talking to you the whole time!" Then when given the number to call, he says "I can't take down a number, I'm flying!" LOL.
That refusal to comply and then lie ought to subject a pilot to being grounded and some retraining. He was risking other people's lives.
I was landing at a Unicom once and a young crop duster pilot came down into my final approach to land forcing me to go around. He never used his radio. He left the airport quickly after I landed to avoid confrontation.
Love this channel!
Totally unacceptable behaviour. He wouldn't be flying for long in my part of the world.
Unbelievable! Right up until now I did not even think such a pilot's behaviour possible. I hope he got his licence revoked or at least suspended for quite some time.
Not only was the controller right, YOU are right to see to it that such a pilot is called out publicly, for the future safety of us all should he fly nearby. Thank you!
I think the pilot dude should have been met by police upon landing due to possible DUI and/or license revoked pending investigation of his piloting conduct.
Agree.
I was about to say the exact same thing. Would the ticket be called a FUI (flying under the influence) ?
@@bobsullivan5714you can read this brochure from the FAA
www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/alcohol.pdf
He did seem like me he might be drunk.
Licence should be revoked. No mitigating circumstances. He is a danger and a menace to everyone, everything, everywhere above and on the ground.
Imagine him ignoring Control in JFK airspace. They would have sent up an F18 to bring him down either with a missile or escort . Preferably a missile. At least that would keep him permanently out of anyone's airspace.
That controller was way more patient than that clown deserved. I’d like to see him try that entitled BS down here in SoCal. ATC would eat him alive. The FAA should get that guy out of the air. We don’t want to be flying anywhere near someone that arrogant.
We have them here in Southern CA. Had one that decided to land opposite the left pattern traffic at the Non- controlled airport - Golf airspace ( free for all airspace ). He said he can land on either runway that he felt like it. I did not dare enter the traffic pattern with that bozo and flew somewhere else for a while till he landed. Then I entered and landed.
I'm not that happy about that guy flying over my head!
I disagree. That controller sounded frustrated practically from the first communication.
Actually, if you go back and watch this again, you may actually realize that this entire 'incident' (if you can call it that) was due to the ATC not listening to the pilot.
That pilot told ATC that he intended to fly south, but ATC told him not to after ATC gave him the two options to go N-NE or S. RB said he wanted to go S but ATC told him to then go N. When pilot then saw the planes and how close he was, he planned to turn right to go back south like he had intended, ATC then told him to turn left, to go the way he never wanted to go.
Had the ATC not told him to go N, NONE of this would have happened. The ATC was being a jerk and the pilot responded in kind.
Doesn't excuse the pilot's mistakes, of which there were several, but the ATC caused this.
@@daninraleigh Bingo
I was an Air Traffic Assistant for nearly 40 years, and thankfully I never heard a pilot as bad as that! (a few came close though!)
Quick Internet lookup of this aircraft and the owning company leads you to the owner who happens to live at Spruce Creek airport. Looks like his last medical was in 2011. I'd say he probably needs a flight review along with a new medical.
He hasn’t had a medical in 12 years??
Basic med I take it.
Nah. He needs his license revoked. No need for a medical or flight review. He's a clear and present danger to other pilots in the air.
@@danburch9989 They need to yank his license on a psych medical.
Hate to say it, but some older people contract "I don't give a shit-itis" as they age.
It is quite common.
I only have 600+ hours as pilot in command, but had I been one of the two pilots in the pattern I would file a complaint with the FFA against that reckless, uppity pilot who endangered my life, limb, and my aircraft! Additionally, the Controller had the patience many would not have had…he was very professional.
The Future Farmers of America have no jurisdiction in aviation matters. ;^)
Took me a minute. :D
@@ToneObsessed when pigs fly they will!
Love your detailed, concise explanations.. the charts are great, too
I have to wonder how that guy held a pilot's license for 25 years with an attitude like that.
unfortunately IMHO, he is more the typical G/A pilot. Likely just barely wealthy, used to barking orders and getting his way from the bootlickers he employed over a career of doing less and less himself. That allowed him to think the world revolves around him. Try giving a guy like this a flight review...it's doubtful he ever earned an instrument rating, that's where it would be easy to humble an arrogant DB like this.
It starts out OK, and then it gets worse. Over time. You would think the FAA would have some sort of regular recertification, or something, and not just give a guy a license and let him drive a plane over the interstates for the rest of his life. Yes, being ironic.
@@douggodsoe There is a biennial flight review, but I doubt he took it. And if he did do the review, whoever signed him off is off his rocker.
He’s actually a very nice guy in person. He is an ATP and I have been in the cockpit with him. Can’t speak for this situation though
@@DC-3Derek If he is an ATP it’s even worse! I would have give him the benefit of the doubt if he was a Private Pilot… but now he has ABSOLUTELY no excuse. His ATP should be suspended. He is arrogant and condescending; you can hear this in his voice. Entering by mistake a class D, C or even B could happen, but once ATC tells you what to do, you follow instructions… you don’t argue. He MAY have an ATP, but he doesn’t act as a professional pilot, no matter what he does or how much money he owns. This is the kind of guy nobody with common sense, ethic and safety in mind would like to fly with or should ever fly with. He is a menace to the airspace, wherever he is in the air. He needs to be grounded, full stop.
BTW, I am an active ATP and this guy is a disgrace to the profession if he told you he is truly a professional pilot, which I seriously doubt! Many people lie to impress others, especially in Florida! I lived 10 years there (while flying as a student pilot and then a CFI, CFII and MEI) and I learned a lot about who not to trust while over there. A lot of Florida people (especially the “rich” one) feel entitled… just disgusting liars and not even ashamed by their behavior. Poor Florida!
He definitely needs a visit from the FAA, especially what happened to Trent Palmer. This situation could have had worse consequences.
IMO - Trent did NOT do anything wrong! - Since when is making an inspection pass, deciding there are Better Options and going elsewhere, an issue? - Apparently the FAA only goes after RUclips Creators!
I found your channel a few days ago and find it very informative. Interestingly, I find you to be humble, credible and approachable and extremely knowledgeable. Would be reassuring if all pilots had your attitude.
Work a blue collar job dealing with the public and you know well that 2-3 people out of every 100 are like this. The requirements of aviation likely bring most of them off their high horse, but a few let their true self show.
I'm new to the channel and had only viewed accidents that (unfortunately) resulted in serious injury or fatalities. This is definitely a pilot looking for a place in either category. Sadly, it's just a matter of time before he'll become the subject of another video of Pilot Debrief. Keep up the great work!
I am not a pilot. I've watched about a dozen of Hoover's debriefs and other accident/incident commentaries on other channels. I do not understand why ATCs rarely , if ever, ask a pilot to report their compass heading. A "What is your compass heading and what is your altitude now?" is asking the pilot to make two simple declarative answers that should demonstrate to the ATC that they have at least a rudimentary understanding where they are in space. Are these considered impolite questions? In this particular video, these questions would have forced the pilot to decide really early to lie or tell the truth about his plane's heading. No wasteful back and forth. And, if he lied the ATC should have called the bs asap and reminded the pilot that he had the stated lie on tape.
That pilot lies so much and has such an entitled attitude, I’m guessing he’s in Congress or something?
Or maybe he's a "very, very stable genius" running for president again and crying, whining, sulking, pouting and lying and lying and lying about a stolen election.
He sounds like a Texan.
@@brianross2377Lol. I’m all for freedom, but your freedom only extends to the edge of my regulated airspace!
Good evaluation of this bad situation. What a jerk of a pilot! I hope the FAA nails him.
I think you do a great job with these debriefs. I learn such a lot.
He didn't lie when he said "I'm flying 360". He just forgot to add, "....in my own frame of reference rotated 45 degrees from everybody else's."
He will probably tell the FAA that his compass and heading indicator or HSI were all giving him faulty information, and he really was heading 360. What a jerk!
When I was working as a TRI/TRE on a B787 Dreamliner, I was constantly reminding my trainees to look outside and scan for VFR traffic. Especially when we were descending towards landing in a busy airspace. Because I knew what kind of idiots might be out there. This guy is just confirming my point of the view.
It sounds to me like you need much stricter licencing. And maybe it would be a good idea to keep these little planes well away from airports with busy airspaces.
Are there repercussions from not following ATC? As in fines or limited ability to fly?
I know nothing about patterns or flying for that matter , but watching and listening to your debrief was so easy to understand and follow what was going on . Nice job 👏🏻
My years of flying have shown to be careful of who you hop in a plane with. This is a good example of one to stay away from, arrogance and flying are a bad combo and will bite you sooner or later------ also hurts the relationship between pilots and controllers. It is hard to believe someone that sounds old enough to know better ----doesn't !
He's like the drunk driver speeding through the red light. Pull the license !
This pilot was endangering life simply because of his arrogance. To be in conflict with a controller and disrespectful of controlled airspace is utter madness. He clearly knew where he was but wouldn't know where all the other planes were. A buffoon that needs to be grounded.