Pilot's Reckless Mistakes Caught on Camera!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- A pilot actually crashed while showing off some scenery to the passengers and it was all caught on camera. Incredibly they all survived and the pilot made a video sharing his version of what happened. There's definitely a lot to debrief in this mishap!
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I’m not a pilot, but my father was, and as an 8 year old kid I remember asking him why we couldn’t fly lower and maybe slower to see things up close and have more “fun”. He told me, “Because altitude and air speed are a pilot’s two best friends.” I didn’t get it at the time, but I sure do now.
Airspeed is life. Altitude is life insurance
And if the fan outside stops it's when the starts to get hot and sweating.
So tired of focusing on everything else but ones job it's like texting while driving
You didn't understand it back then and you never will. You're nothing!
@@davidfelton7772 just make sure you don't get too much life insurance
When I taught on T-38s in the Air Force I had this on my desk: “The superior pilot uses his superior knowledge to avoid situations that require his superior skills.”
That's a great quote! Works for motorcycles too.
You just brought up memories of flying the T-38 out of Vance back in the early 90s after I got out of the academy.
Words to live by in all areas of life. Thank you for the quote!
Always be ahead of the Aircraft never let the Aircraft get ahead of you is what I was taught. You need to be able to see things happening before they actually happen otherwise things unravel pretty damn quickly.
"Don't ever let the airplane take you somewhere your brain wasn't at 3 minutes prior"
My flight instructor told me two things I’ll never forget. “There’s NO excuse for running out of gas, or Stalling the airplane.” It’s always pilot error.
A sailplane instructor of mine (30+ years ago) use to shout from the trainer’s back seat “Speed is half your life!”
Seems he was taught that in, German, by instructors sitting in another back seat; Germany late 1944. Lee never got to fly for the Luftwaffe, fortunately. He immigrated here to become an accomplished scientist and soaring pilot.
I had made a couple simulated engine out approaches on the south side of Palos Verdes. The next time out he cut the throttle a little east. I chose the closed Terminal Island runway. Side slipped to control speed and altitude "perfect approach." At 250 feet Instructor: See those lines on the runway they are 8 ft chain link fences they will tear this aircraft apart. Me; I will try for the clearing by the hanger. As I turn at hanger height there is a fresh plowed berm. Instructor; Pushes in the throttle GET THE HELL OUT. He assured me the berm was not there the last time. I have been low and slow with the stall warning moaning. It can happen fast and luckily did not make the 6 o'clock news.
My mother's instructor made her land in a fresh plowed bean field in a simulated engine out... then had her take back off.
Instructor was a 20,000+ hrs of cropdusting pilot.
@@fhuber7507 This was in the 70's in the Los Angeles basin. The engine was not shut down. The instructor would advance the throttle a few feet above ground. This was after the incident when the fuel shutoff handle sheared with loss of student and instructor.
@@thomaswest5931Why is it unfortunate he couldn’t fly for nazis?
He made mistake after mistake. Your videos show a pattern of social media people not focused on flying. Thanks for another great lesson!
Dude looks like an idiot. That's right, book judged by the cover.
So true, you can have a whole channel just on that subject alone.
Five minutes of fame is not worth anyone’s life. 👍
@@countys32I heard that congress is working on a bill preventing certain professions to film while performing. Pilots are number one. About time to come crashing on this fad.
There's bound to be a pattern of videos showing people making mistakes that were recording videos. This channel is about people making mistakes, and you don't get so many videos of people that weren't recording.
Stalls it 100 feet off the ground when there are plenty of places to land it. Gross incompetence.
And a stall is accelerating to terminal speed… like heading toward a wall with no brakes, and hitting the gas.
I was amazed at his indifference to the stall warning indicator. 😮
He was not taught power off landings and it shows
Exactly. Deer in the headlights.
Could you imagine?? I would absolutely never trust his judgement again. I couldn’t even be friends with him again. Swore he’d be safe and he does almost everything as wrong as possible…..with my children?? Sorry, if we survive, I’m beating his ass in that field.
He intentionally slowed down, hot and heavy, in a canyon????? …and admitted it? Just wow!
(stall horn screaming in the background) This guy: "Man I need to bleed off some speed"
They could possibly use this against him in court.
@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA without a doubt they will. He is giving a play by play of how he screwed up, they will get either an accident investigator or an actual pilot (probably both) to tear his video to shreds about how many times he screwed up and didn't follow the checklist he should have memorized or what a competent pilot would do.
He may actually keep his pilot's license but he will never be insured again.
Showing off in front of chicks, that never gets a guy in trouble!
@@lonnywilcox445Oh there's a doubt. It's clear you haven't watched their videos about the crash where they thank their friend the pilot for saving their lives and even call him a hero. They have no idea that their hero was completely to blame.
This is a guy that I wouldn't rely on to give me the correct time of day. You are being very charitable in your commentary.
True that.
I felt the same.
I have no training or experience flying powered aircraft, I've only flown handgliders and paragliders, but that's enough for me to wonder what the heck this guy was thinking. I don't think he has the right mentality to be a pilot. Some people just shouldn't fly.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with someone who has lots of training and experience critiquing someone who acts in a foolish way. I will say as well. It's especially egregious that he specifically promises not to do anything dangerous (on camera), then immediately does something dangerous.
your kids dont like you
Even you sir are far more polite then I about what a $#%$% that $%%^ is.
Stalled at 50 to 75 feet and everyone survived? That's extremely lucky given the circumstances.
Seriously
I agree
God, not luck
@@user-fy5by5xp7nok sport
@@user-fy5by5xp7n did god also crash the plane in the first place 👀
His passengers had no idea how incompetent their pilot was. How did he stall the plane at 100 feet? There should have been minor injuries.
Yep, they not only praised him for saving their lives, they even called him a hero. They are clueless.
This was planned! This idiot just wanted to go viral!
@@MajorCanada I think you're right. The NTSB even analyzed the video's audio to try to detect engine problems but found nothing. The engine itself also showed no signs of issues. In the end they were unable to conclude the engine was at fault, but they did blame ol' Shadrach for the crash.
Starts with WHY THE HELL did he keep putting the gear down when he KNEW he was struggling for power???
Ends with, HOW G** D*** HARD IS IT to just return to your training and follow the checklist procedures like they POUND into you through flight school???
Seriously, I think this guy's another one of the "Cowboys" who make us ALL look stupid and bad... figures he's joining the golden ages of Flying Aces and hero pilots that live from one minute to the next by the skin of their teeth...
This is the era of Modern Aviation, and even in those vintage beasts of the bygone era, pilots like that are IDIOTS not "heroes"... ;o)
The two guys up front had more than minor injuries.
Keeping it “Low And Slow” is only good advice for forklifts.
Or smoking meat
😂😂😂
This pilot would crash a forklift too..
@@brannonshea8424Thats good✈️✈️
😂😂😂😂
I was married to a commercial pilot for a long time and I never felt the need to ask her if she would take care of us. If you have to ask that, you probably shouldn't get in the plane.
Not only that, but if you’re a pilot and your entire family is basically begging you not to do something stupid and kill them, you may want to rethink your flight status because you’re probably a moron.
They were just playing up for the cameras. No wonder she dumped you'll gullible ass
That quote sounded like she was reading from a script, it seems really weird to me. What was he really planning on doing that day? Viral videos have made morons out of people.
@@justforever96 Yeah, that sounded like it was for added drama. Unless he was known to be reckless, in which case, what you said: don’t fly with him.
The funny thing is that he wasn’t recklessly stunting. He just didn’t understand how to fly safely. He didn’t know the lower limits of his aircraft, for one thing. I don’t think he understood aviation physics. It seems like people are getting their PPLs by demonstrating that they can operate an aircraft without having to demonstrate that they can operate safely.
His “interview” bothered me because he either didn’t understand his mistakes or didn’t want to admit them. In either case, it’s not possible to learn from your mistakes. I can relate: I don’t like to admit my mistakes. It’s a character defect of which I’m aware and working on. 😅
People who are afraid of flying will ask that of any pilot. That question/comment means nothing to the pilots ability. This line of thinking is why why there are so many issues out there when there are none. This pilot made a few mistakes, they crashed, but everyone walked away with their lives. Be thankful they lived to see another day. There is no reason to bad mouth people because they make mistakes, everyone makes them...and some day you will as well, lets just hope you don't make it and kill someone when you do it. Since they were friends, his mind was probably screaming at him to keep them safe, so his thoughts may also be causing him to second guess himself which when you are constricted for time, can make things worse. The majority of everyone out there cannot multi-task when under pressure like this. This is one of those few instances that mistakes were made, and everyone walked away with their lives. Plus your commercial pilot husband never talks to the people already boarded on the plane he is about to fly...so they cannot ask him that question. But $10 says there are at least half a dozen people on each of his flights that would ask him the same thing.
The fact that she had to ask him twice if he’d keep them safe says enough for me.
Wifee KNEW!
Now the FAA has to know & ground him >>> when you get to the point where you are turning your passengers & yourself into crash test dummies pretending to be a pilot it is time for you to find another mode of transportation bcuz you are NOT WORTHY! HIS PLAN = crash the plan slowly
If I had been standing there and heard her ask that 2 times, my alarms would have started talking to me. I wouldn't have been able to get on the plane with that man flying it.
Imagine living with someone that irresponsible? I wouldn't even talk to this guy, let alone marry him.
Yeah, like they didn't really trust him from the beginning. Kinda begs the question as to WHY they didn't trust him.
Trust issues
I think the most understated line in the video is that the pilot was committed to crashing. He complicated the situation numerous times by deliberately slowing down, and in the end he was determined to crash despite there being plenty of places to land. Were they airstrips? No - but there were places to land that didn't involve cratering from 100 feet.
That's what makes me seriously wonder whether this was a pre-planned "emergency" for RUclips clicks that went wrong.
@@wadesworld6250Without falling into conspiracy theory territory, some of the preflight footage about not doing anything dangerous, etc, starts to look suspicious. However, given how poorly this guy performed, I find it less likely. I can't imagine someone prepared for this situation and failed that badly.
His final commitment to crashing was refusing to put his gear up. A gear-up belly landing; everyone could have stepped out the plane & gone out to dinner that evening.
as a sailplane pilot, for me, crashing is never an option.
I'm surprised how many times this RUclipsr decided to stop the video just to talk.
Let’s be real honest here. This pilot needs his certification pulled. You don’t take on 5 people and not know how to do a fundamental maneuver.
Well! Schould we get your licence away when you are doing a stupid thing?
@geekfreak618 Don't know why you are making that comment to me.
@@AnjektusStudio You're trolling, right?
@@joelglanton6531 about what? About my first or my secound comment? Becouse it is hard to tell!. But if it is about my first comment so have not seen the authoritys pulling a certificate becouse you make a stupid miśstake. So you can gladly prue me wrong
@@AnjektusStudio He said he "needs his certification pulled," what you have or haven't supposedly seen "authoritys" do is irrelevant. Secondly, in what universe does almost killing five people because you stalled an airplane 100ft agl due to your own negligence constitute a "stupid misśtake?"
Criminal negligence. How could you ever have your nose above the horizon with low/no power. He's lucky no one died.
Unbelievable isn’t it, “engine failure, nose down”. It’s almost as if he wasn’t taught or totally disregarded engine out landings and best glide
@@josh3771 It would be interesting to pull the engine monitor data - it looked like the engine was running, but at low power.
@@dermick Was always taught a semi failed engine is many times more deadly than a total engine failure.
Either way, nose down
One of the passengers was seriously injured and paralyzed for the rest his life🙄
I’m not a pilot but when the stall horn blared I wondered why he didn’t lower the nose and increase power-the engine seemed to be still producing power. Maybe improve the fuel mixture to give it more power.
Some people should not be flying airplanes, this guy is one of them.
I am guessing the pilot does not have an attorney. The last thing to do is a public video testimony.
Absolutely agree. Hard to know if his ego or his mouth is his worst enemy.
...for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
*-Luke 6:45*
³ A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.
*-Proverbs 26:3*
I think he’s just doing it from his hospital bed to say, look at me, I’m injured.
dumb thru and thru..should be revoked permanately!
I have taken several fireaarm self-defense courses. You NEVER talk to a cop after an incidence save the absolute basics required as name and address. REgaardless of how the cop "feels", you wait for your attorney.
I rarely participate in pile-ons but I couldn’t believe I heard him say he was preparing to land at 500’ AGL 30 miles from the airport. Incredible.
I have a strong belief that all he really needed to do was push the throttle forward. He'd have picked up speed and just continued flying.
You really don't think that was the first thing he tried?@@KenFullman
that area was at 9000 ft and the airport elevation is at 5200 ft.
im still gobsmacked that his landing strategy was to deliberately stall the plane
@@michaelspunich7273 He was low, got hit with a headwind which slowed the aircrafts progress across the ground. (even though it's airspeed that keeps the plane aloft, not groundspeed). He then found he wasn't getting the expected acceleration from the engine (because he was heavy and experiencing a headwind)
So he jumped to the conclusion that he was not going to be able to keep the plane flying. He then committed himself to landing the plane. As part of this committment he decided to keep the plane barely above stall speed. Even though his airspeed was likely much healthier than he believed (due to the headwind). But by committing to get the airspeed as slow as possible, he sealed their fate.
With 6 lives in his hands (inc his own) there can be no chances taken. It's no small thing to be responsible for a plane full of passengers. I'm so glad it worked out ok for everyone. I cannot imagine the extent of the sickening feeling when the engine failed to make enough power.
It actually didn’t work out. Front passenger had a spinal injury from this and is permanently disabled as a result.
@@banjo2019I’m not liking that
That sickening feeling when the engine failed paled significantly to the one they felt when he stalled the plane out at 50+ feet in the air, I imagine!!!
@@banjo2019everyone is disabled these days
Extremely irresponsible pilot who should NEVER hold a pilots license again and the passengers should
sue him for everything he owns. It's pilots like this clown that reflects poorly on general aviation pilots as a whole.
Just stumbled onto your channel and enjoying it. Although I am NOT a pilot, my DAD was. B17 bomber pilot and survived 36 missions 1944-1945. Even I can see the mistakes made here. I remember my dad once took me up in a Cessna over the old Zahn's airport on Long Island. He flew us over to our house. I remember he told me to look out the window as he was circling and he said to me "see how the wing tip makes a perfect circle over our house". He was a great pilot, flying through enemy fighters and antiaircraft fire. It's painful to watch these videos when I remember the risks my dad took, and the hard training he went through when his instructors tried their best to make you 'wash out'. But there was a purpose: you had ten other crew on board and a mission. People forget the forces of nature. Thanks for posting these and more importantly, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!!!
I remember Zahn's airport. Lived in Copiague as a kid and used to watch the planes all the time.
I have been flying for over 45 years (civilian, military, and commercial), two rules of thought that I have always left outside of the cockpit, “EGO & COMPLACENCY”, looking at this video, before during and after the crash, I definitely sense each of these got in the way and had a major contributing factor in the crash (his guilty consciences of having to explain the series of events that led to the crash also substantiates my belief) !
In any aviation accident, there are always several factors that cause an accident, although in most cases if you are able to eliminate one of them, the accident would not occurred, I believe this accident is no different !
One last rule in aviation, “NEVER STOP FLYING YOUR AIRPLANE” ! There is no reason to allow a perfectly aerodynamic airplane to stall and just fall out of the sky like this guy did !
Amen! Well said!
I’m no pilot but it looked extremely easy to keep gliding the plane to a relatively soft landing. THIS GUY LOOKS STUPID AND IT SHOWED.
I would be SOOO PISSED if I was roped into getting on that plane…
Totally correct!
This is why they changed the terminology here in the UK relating to collisions involving cars. They used to call them RTA's, Road Traffic Accidents but now use the term RTC, Road Traffic Collision on the basis that there is no such thing as an accident. An accident infers a single event and cause. There is always a chain of events, both recent and historical that lead up to the final outcome and some or all of those events are usually preventable and would have led to a very different outcome. Understanding that chain of events is critical in preventing repeat occurrences.
The guy probably got his pilots license 🪪 revoked
As a T210 pilot for 23 years the first thing you learn in just about anything written on the plane is that vapor issues are real in the Turbo 210. It's happened to me numerous times (until I learned to switch tanks often). But the solution is very easy: Switch tanks (the other tank and fuel lines will not have vapor in them) or hit the boost pump switch. Or if low like this guy, do both! I would just switch tanks and the partial power problem would immediately go away. I was constantly reminding myself, "rough engine or power loss?, switch tanks". BTW, some batches of fuel are more prone to vapor issues, hot fuel from above-ground fueling tanks are more prone, running lean of peak mixture settings are more prone, etc. So it can be hard to predict when this may occur.
I’ve experienced that issue in the 206. You’re right on.
Yes, you are right on. In my T210K, fuel not used in the injection process is being sent back to the header tanks, more often than not boiling, the tanks are only about 1/2 gallon or less under the floor under your and the co-pilot's feet (2 header tanks). Boiling fuel causes fuel vapor in the fuel (bubbles) in the in-use header tank and then this is pumped back into the injection system and vapor lock is the result with rough or quiting engine and power. So I fly high and don't descend until absolutely necessary and slow it down in the pattern. And this issue is placarded on the panel in every TDCS for the 210 so I really don't understand why the FAA investigators didn't contribute that as a part of the accident.
Placard:
Major Fuel Flow Fluctuations/Power Surges
1. AUX Fuel Pump - On, Adjust Mixture.
2. Select Opposite Tank.
3. When Fuel Flow Steady, Resume Normal Operations.
See Procedure Card D1189-13 For Expanded Instruction.
I added a procedure between 2 & 3, "Lower the Landing Gear" while the prop is windmilling. All the drag and reduced glide aside the T210K's landing gear power pack is hydraulic running off an engine pump, not electric like the newer models. I'm also an A&P and have had "The Beast" up on jacks and hand pumped the gear up and down as a part of the annual inspection process, there is just no way I'm going to get it pumped and down in a time sensitive emergency and be able to focus on also flying the plane as far into the crash as possible (50+ pumping actions to get the gear down and no wind resistance).
Man, I was missing the pieces as to why the plane lost power, a vapor lock makes a lot of sense. High and hot will cause that if the tanks aren't full, this is why using the auxiliary fuel pump and possibly switching tanks to resolve the issue. The guy flew the way he did because he recently had been training on STOL aircraft and was likely suffering from recency bias and interference from that training. I've flown an STOL and his maneuvers track very closely with how you land and STOL on short and rough terrain.
Yep, the 210 has an abysmal safety record because of this. It's one plane that I refuse to fly in.
I have never had any fuel issues in the 206, but I’m always primed to hit the electric boost should I need it, although this emergency can be fairly complicated depending on the condition, but with the TIO-520 push everything forward and hold the high boost.
The male passenger in the co pilot's seat was severely injured. He had a broken back that has ruined his life! Lots of associated health issues from this crash.
And somehow, he got a pilot license??? Here I am taking Lexipro, will never pilot again, but certainly 1000% safer than that arse clown. Go figure FAA. No logic, just a club of Karens making up sheet.
I’ve seen that guy but can’t find it now.
He will be iight , first world problems brought upon himself.
@@deaf2819 a broken back is only a first world problem? You need an attitude adjustment.
Wow 😯
I'll bet those 10 footers weren't the ONLY skid marks! 😮
I'm glad everyone survived.
"Those aint skidmarks, sir. those are craters!"
Great debrief. When I was working on my private pilot certificate, I spend hours and hours reading NTSB reports to learn from the mistake of others, and how errors tended to compound themselves, and to really drive home the point of why proper preparation, weather debrief, flight planning, and weight, balance calculations, pre-flight inspection, and pre-takeoff runup were crucial. Whenever I flew, I always kept my mind's eye on "where would I land" or "what would I do if..." as I never wanted to be unprepared for an inflight emergency.
I read those reports too and nearly dropped out they scared me so bad.
You sound like a good pilot, levels above this guy
Me too.
I'm only about 12 hours into it and I just finished up emergency procedures, I can't fathom not having each critical checklist not memorized, your life depends on it!
"Aviation regulations are written in blood"
My guess, the mixture was set for cruise at the higher altitude, he pulled the power out to descend, when he pushed the power back in at the lower altitude, his mixture was too lean and the engine wouldn't produce power. Thats why the NTSB couldn't find anything wrong with the engine.
that was literally the first thing I thought when he said 'nothing' when he advanced the throttle: MIXTURE
Exactly! I still cant get over lowering the landing gear with fully loaded plane, mountain altitudes and hot day to "slow it down" in a canyon where he looks well under 1000 feet AGL?!?!
I got a feeling they were pretty low on gas anyway
bro has a prop that he can use to slow down let alone his landing gear, he thinks hes in a a320 or something, im like 12 hours into my PPL and this is just mind boggling, absolutely crazy, i cant get my head around it...@@davidclark39
Also the vapors so pump on & switch tanks has been suggested by knowledgeable people in this comment section >>> so that is the reason we have these dialogues & debriefs in the 1st place >>> so we use every experience as a LEARNING experience- thanks for your input I appreciate you!
I learned to fly and spent my years of flying based at a high altitude mountain airfield. In this instance, he did what no mountain pilot I know would do; fly down a high altitude canyon low and slow. Altitude is your friend. I always flew my plane like the engine could quit running at any moment. FAA will see to it that he won't do this again anytime soon.
Good point...it is easy for us to focus upon his (other) mistakes when an engine problem can happen at any time to anyone, and be fatal if not prepared for it.
Exactly this
I love how this dude casually says “like I do in the strike eagle”. That’s so incredible to me. To be one of, what, 1,500 people, to ever do it? Amazing. And to him it’s just a thing he used to do.
Great video.
I like the way he barely references his background. he just gives other options than the course chosen for the pilots in these accidents.
I think you'll find there are more fighter pilots in the world. Not on that specific jet, but flying low and fast.
@@eskileriksson4457 i know there are, but i was just talking about the strike eagle specifically
@@quick906 Yeah, ok. And he is quite casual about it.
@@eskileriksson4457 Fighter pilots are usually psychologically screened to clear out egoistical folks and you end up with calm focused no nonsense folks
I watched this way back when it happened. You covered this well. I felt that the pilot comes across as a very immature pilot, who probably shouldn't be carrying passengers like he did.
He didn't have command of hardly any of the flight aspects that he put his aircraft into. This is a very novice pilot, who probably shouldn't continue flying without substantial remedial training.
I agree that he comes off as relatively immature. A huge red flag as to his judgement and maturity is that he and his friends are filming themselves and creating content and drama seem to take priority.
Put him in jail
He for sure never read the emergency landing instructions
Actually, on another comment thread someone pointed out that the pilot had recently been training on a STOL airplane and his landing technique seemed to be perfect for a STOL airplane coming in for a landing on rough, soft soil, except the stalling height was a bit too high. So inexperienced, but not quite as dumb as this video's author (and all the "me-too" pile-on criticizing commenters pretending expertise) portrayed him to be.
In my experience as a commercial airline pilot and a long time flying instructor, one of the biggest failings of the average private pilot is complacency. They don't give a moments thought to performance, weight & balance, critical speeds they need to know for each phase of flight or in an emergency, let alone practicing or at least reviewing basic emergency drills, like EFATO, stall recovery, lost comms procedures, etc., so when something like this does happen they don't find themselves scrambling to remember what they were taught at flight school. I'm sorry but he is certainly not to be applauded simply because no one died. It was more by luck than by skill.
I've heard people almost brag about only doing cursory preflights because "it's always the same; it's just a ritual." Crazy.
@@DerBingle1 As a non-pilot myself (my Brother is a CFI) but I am a former Truck Driver, I shake my head when My "Pre-trip" on my truck was more in depth than a Complacent Pilot's "Pre-Flight" - I remember NOT to take rides from.
Because most average pilots are just average people with the extra money to buy or fly an airplane.
IDK if ya'll noticed, but the average person is a complete F'ing moron that can't even figure out a 4 way stop instersection.
These plane crash videos don't surprise me in the least. It's just par for the course with the general population.
Nobody cares how anything works, nobody is even remotely curious about anything they just want to turn the key and go.
Guy was a dumbass, don't feel sorry for him.
He probably has another plane already.
Average pilot? That's the majority of humans. Conscientiousness is one of the least prevalent personality traits, and we're wired by nature to be creatures of habit. It took me less than 5 seconds to intuit how incompetent this person is as soon as I heard him begin to speak. I wouldn't trust that idiot to report what time of day it is
He didn’t strike me as a guy that uses checklists, not even when going to the grocery store.
If the NTSB doesn't find an engine problem he better be in trouble. His judgment, narcissism, and skill are problems.
You got that right!
exactly I think it is criminal charges should be filed and revoke
Every airport is filled with airplanes owned and operated by Narcissists.
I'm not against people who an inflated sense of self worth per se. But they do have a proclivity to crashing airplanes while attempting to prove they are the exception to laws of physics and reality itself.
(As entertaining as Narcissists can be, there is a point of no return with NPD where its an actual mental emotional disorder, recently had the misfortune of dating an NPD and it took till the middle of the third date to fully realize what level of nonsenseisist I was up against).
All correct. In fact," the Board of Inquiry will give him such a pranging, he'll be lucky if he gets to wear the uniform of a bloody toilet attendant!"- Grp. Capt Lionel Mandrake😂
There was no engine issue according to them. Pilot error
"We might flip over" Thanks, Captain confidence!
😂😂😂😂
Honestly, I have 3 hours of flight time but with my personality, if I heard that I would of said "my controls" and tried myself.
😂😂😂@@ryandiedrich6317
Dude is liable for everything that went wrong. Inexperience with having multiple passengers. While folks survived, they will have lasting medical issues to deal with. Insurance claims/payouts for injury and medical services will hit him hard. Pretty sure he will be found at fault once the investigation is over.
My dad used to fly our whole family (6 of us including him) on our C185 Skywagons among our rural properties in Mexico for almost 30 years without anyone of us ever getting hurt. Our landing strips were often far shorter than anything that was available to that pilot from what I can see on the video. True, the C185 is made for that purpose, but his brother had a C210 Turbo Centurion, and I often saw that plane land on par with us on some of our relatively more decent grass strips without a hitch. That pilot on the video had obviously never landed with a faulty or dead engine ever before, nor asked to land impromptu on rural plot of land as a test of skill and preparedness, and no pilot of a GA aircraft should be responsible for the lives of entire families unless they have done so.
I have to say that not all pilots have the opportunity to experience an engine out and not all pilots have a plane that CAN land on a rural plot of land…or a plot of land to land on legally.
I have similar time as this pilot and I have landed on grass before in a tail wheel plane while getting my tail wheel endorsement but I have not and could not land my mooney on a rural plot of land just for training purposes. There are other ways to get that training.
@@JakeArey You're absolutely right, of course, and I should have hedged my statement somewhat. And then again, just from knowing you made the effort to obtain tail-wheel endorsement, I think it likely that you wouldn't have stalled that Centurion over that lake shore.
Why do I feel like your family was doing illegal things in Mexico with airplanes
@@dawsondetrana5496 Because you're biased by the american media to think that Mexico is only about the cartels and nothing else. We owned both livestock and agricultural properties scattered over 3 states, there's no other way to manage that but to fly to each location, several times per week. I would've been offended by your comment years ago but seeing what has become of your own country today, I am at peace.
@@ernestoherreralegorreta137Don't come here and lie. You're a nobody and always have been.
They were all RUclipsrs. What a waste of a perfectly good plane.
Fellow fighter guy here, Tomcat's. Very good analysis of the situation. Appears he got in over his head, easy to do with the terrain challenges. Bottom line, speed is life.Great debrief
Good review. Agree with you, his slowing so high was dangerous and counterproductive. Luckily he didn't stall spin, but his "mushing" caused a much higher sink rate than a glide with speed enough to flare (25,000 hour pilot here).
Jesus Christ man. 25,000?? That’s insane. Thank you for the Insight.
The informal self-deposition by the pilot sounds like an attempt to ward off potential litigation against him, or to establish groundwork to litigate. In any event I appreciate your analysis of the incident, it was so comprehensive to non-pilots like me and I think you were very kind in your comments.
Thank you
"We're going to crash. RELAX! RELAX!!!"
"we're probably gonna die, RELAX"
Youre the problem. He said the right thing
@@FrankYammy He *yelled the right thing
Serenity NOW!
TAKE A NAP !
MORAL OF THE STORY. DON'T FLY WITH A CLOWN !!!!!
You are in trouble when your pilot says "watch this."
The fact that one of his passengers told him to stop it is a huge red flag.
He didn’t intentionally kill the engine. At least as far as the NTSB investigation says.
Based on the hanger talk it doesn't sound like she ever trusted him in the first place
@@pilot-debriefNo, but I think the previous poster's point is that one of the passengers thought he was the kind of pilot who would do something like that. That he was the sort of pilot who would put putting on a show ahead of safety.
@@SM-if4nz That was my impression too.
Didn't they say that they found no cause for it to lose power also??@@pilot-debrief
I do not agree that you should give this pilot any credit on his landing. He stalled, which is basically ALWAYS the worst thing to do. And even in the aftermath, he does not understand that slowing down the aircraft below stall speed if you are higher than 20 feet is the worst option. They could have easily landed with minor damage to the plane with a normal flare procedure.
In terms of giving him credit…I figure at least he didn’t go into complete panic mode and crash them in the water. 🤷♂️
@@pilot-debriefFair point.
It should be noted: That front passenger sustained very serious injuries. I believe he’s now permanently disabled.
@@pilot-debrief well beeing a glider pilot with 3000h on sailplanes and maybe 1000h on motor planes I do not understand why it is so difficult to honor the most important thing in these situations: Fly the plane ! Accident survival stats show, that even a controlled flight into the woods is better than stalling. Horizontal speed is better than vertical speed. I already had to even bailout on my glider after another glider hit my plane, so I can tell you something about stress in these situations. Unfort. I lost my GoPro during the crash, would have been interesting for your channel...
Fly the aircraft into the crash as long as possible…
@@LSVFlachkurblerbailing out must be one hell of an adrenaline rush! And I don’t mean that in a positive way. Thankfully you made it out safe!
Grateful for individuals as him to teach us on not what to do. Great video to share with new pilots.
I liked his highly accurate description of his situation, 'I had plenty of height and plenty of speed' You would have to be mad to fly with him.
This dude definitely comes off as arrogant about his flying, and does not talk like any pilot I've known. He phoned it in just enough to get his certificate, and promptly forgot most of the important stuff because he didn't take it seriously.
@@Whitehall303 He crammed for his exam. Which is fine if it’s for your history class and you’re not a history major.
A monkey can be trained to operate an aircraft, but if the monkey doesn’t understand the physics of aviation, that monkey is not going to operate the aircraft safely. Even worse is if the monkey thinks it knows but does not know.
What troubles me is that I’m a dumb monkey and I sometimes think I know something when I really don’t.
@@Whitehall303 Agree. But we already know he has extremely poor judgement even if we did not watch the video from cockpit and had none of this channel's expert analysis. Why? Because he has absurdly bad enough judgement to be videoing "his side" before the official findings and is opening himself up to several massive lawsuits that could cost him every nickel he will ever earn. Even if that family of four that were his passengers were his best friends, or even his brother, 1) Most even mild back or neck injury in childhood will likely that you recover from will often cause nerve and disk issues with aging. 2) for all we know one of those kids was involved n high school sports that may have led to scholarship that now wont due to even minor injury 3) even if you do not want to sue, your health insurer will.
@@CantonBn Yup. Can't wait to check in on this story in 10 years and see how it all played out. I imagine it will take about that long for it all to wrap up.
passengers dont know😢
Trusting someone named "Shad" is where they all went wrong. Lol
Shadrach is a biblical name that is somewhat more popular in the LDS community because of Shadrach Roundy, an early LDS leader and one of the senior members of Brigham Young's Company who were among the first to arrive in the Salt Lake Valley. Nowadays quite a few LDSers love the performative social media lifestyle vlogs (presumably due in large part to the ad revenue that comes along with it), which no doubt played a role in clouding this guy's judgment. Ironically, this stupid mistake probably generated more attention and ad revenue for them than anything else they could've come up with, but at great cost given the lasting injuries he sustained.
@@RUclipsSafetyTrollwhat a great answer for a silly question. Thanku for the info and lesson. I love when people who actually know what they speak of respond to the typical you tube fools lol ❤
This coming from "mr. martyr" lol indeed.
@@srf2112 Yea man....thats my real name. My lord what a fuckin lame ass comment. Lol
A bit of levity in the comments was required considering how tragic this could have ended but thankfully no one was seriously hurt.
I was taught in the Navy that practice makes perfect. It's not enough to know how to fly a plane, but you must thoroughly think through all of the potential scenarios and how to deal with them in relation to your emergency procedures. You have to practice PELs, approach turn stalls, unusual attitudes, etc. - at altitude - so that if the time ever comes that you have to do it for real, you can calmly aviate, navigate, communicate.
Realistically, that aircraft requires periodic refresher training with a CFI. If you can't afford that, then you have no business flying it. My dad had one, and it was amazing. But you always had the underlying feeling that it would bite you in the ass hard if you didn't show it respect.
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast
PELs,?
I'm glad everyone is okay. Not gonna lie, it gets kinda tiring seeing youtubers (not you of course ;)) and "influencers" destroying beautiful aircraft that they don't make anymore. Feels like the chances of my dream of owning a used aircraft are getting more and more slim.
There's always some old guy who keeps their hot rods, etc, in a garage and only starts the engine and does maintenance to keep it running.
I watched the RUclips family's recovery videos. They had a long road.
They're not that damn expensive.
@@fredspofford most people I know can't afford one lol. Once you manage to get financing you gotta insure it, maintain it, do annuals and the list goes on. God forbid there's any upcoming or already due ADs. Aircraft ownership is definitely not cheap though the costs definitely vary greatly depending on a multitude of factors. Aircraft production in the US continues to decline with the exception possibly of Cessnas for 141 flight schools still in popular demands thanks to stupid government bailouts and bad policy.
@@fredspofford By an large aircraft are far too expensive for anyone making anything close to the median income unless they have special arrangements
Excellent debrief and you are 100% correct. Lots of pilots have probably died doing exactly this where they think landing super slow is the best way to live but most stall at an altitude high enough to kill them rather than 5 feet off the ground
Exactly. You're not flying into a wall. It's the vertical drops that are deadly. Skimming the ground coming down at 50 fpm, gear-up at 60 mph is arguably not even all that dangerous. You could probably do it 100 times and survive.
The way I put it to some seized wing drivers😜 was, on foot would you jump up, put your legs horizontal and land on your ass?, no?, then why stall a 50ft AGL?.
They looked like they had an epiphany, haha.
If coming in slow will make a stall and crash more likely, than why are so many pilots ignorant of this? Why isn't it drilled into them to maintain airspeed? Is that too much for a basic private pilot licensee to learn?
At 14:43, you can clearly see that he's still about 75-100 feet off the ground and the aircraft is actively stalling. At this point he should have been pitching the aircraft down to try and get more air over the wings and flare once he was closer. They are very lucky to be alive because if he had an incipient stall at this altitude they'd of all died.
Been a flight nurse for 12 years. Did a year of FW (King Air), the rest all RW (Bell 430, Bell 407, EC 145). Been lucky to have flown with some of the best IFR pilots. To quote one of them - “if a flight was anything other than boring and uneventful, something went wrong”.
How much of a difference was flying planes Vs helicopters
@@MrAdamNTProtester In one there is the possibility that you might be able to glide out of a bad situation, in the other that possibility does not exist...
@@spandon helicopter has a higher crash survivability than fixed wing
@@gabekremer7148 I can't find any evidence to support that statement anywhere on the web, grateful if you could reason why you say it and maybe evidence your logic/non-logic....?
@@gabekremer7148Don't think I've seen a helicopter crash with even one survivor minus the one at Grand Canyon a few years back. Usually it's an instant fireball. We even had a helicopter collide with a small fixed wing at a local airport here and surprise, everyone on the helicopter died. Not so for the plane.
@pilotdebrief - great video and explanation. I stumbled across your videos and am hooked. Flew 1 time with an instructor and loved it. Not sure I will do more but I am fascinated with flight. Keep on posting!
Excellent analysis with a lot of lessons for pilots. And one for passengers that he didn’t mention: Be very careful who you accept rides from. Not every licensed pilot is someone you want to entrust with your life and the lives of your family. Not only did this pilot operate in a way that dramatically increased risk, but his “debrief video” revealed some fundamental misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.
Agreed. Im not even a pilot but i understand the laws of physics and the components of flight better than this pilot does. Wow.
Man, you are just so reasonable when talking about anything that could possibly go wrong. If I were in an emergency in the air, you’re who I’d want to be flying. 🥰
I was taught to fly as far into the crash as possible. Meaning, don't stop flying the plane. This guy stopped flying the plane, that's why they came down so hard. If he had been working on a LANDING, there might have been little damage and no injuries, but he decided that they were going to crash, and was trying to pick a good place to do that..
My grandfather (a private pilot) always said you could land a light plane against a brick wall and walk away from it if you fly the airplane up the the bitter end.
@geekfreak618 You hear "I had to lay her down" so many times by the uskilled and uneducated motorcycle riders. Interpretation: I panicked, over braked with the back brake, never touched the front, lost control of the slide and "laid it down". No the bike reacted to poor riding skills and went down with your help. Lay her down crashes, in so many post review cases, could have been close calls with proper braking and swerving actions. Same with flying, ride the ride until the end. Not every crash can be saved, (blind corner head on's for example) but so many others can with comptent riding skills. Based on over 55 years of riding, and skills building through training and practice, I'd say about 95% of riders I observe on street are riding on a prayer and luck, not competence. I try to get away from them so as not to see the likely outcome.
@geekfreak618 fellow rider.. always thought people who bragged about jumping off the bike were nuts. The brakes slow you down faster than your ass! I'm glad to hear you avoided the cage.
Until watching this channel I had no idea the skies were like the road….crappy drivers who have no business driving or flying. But the risk these “pilots” take is unreal. And the dangerous situation they put their passengers in and others flying 😢 so scary
I'm not a pilot, just a passionate flight-simmer who only learned enough to get off the ground, navigate a bush trip and get back down again. Took me a lot of crashes before I learned that low and slow never really works out when there's no immediate way out. I'm still an aviation dummy but I always learn a whole lot from each of your debriefs, and now I'm going to go find a nice hot high-altitude strip to go try out and see how differently my plane reacts. Thanks for the facts!
Try KLXV on a summer day.
Read "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langwiesche.
Even flight simmers have much to gain from that book.
Use the simulator to go to a high altitude and practice some slow flight and stalls by flying slow and pulling up gradually. Hear the horn, keep pulling.... and when it stalls, nose down to re-gain airspeed. it will give you a better feel for the stall horn vs actual stall speeds.
Also read "Fly by Wire" by William Langwiesche to understand the two main flight control philosophies currently in use.
As a beginner pilot that literally only just learnt intentional stalls yesterday in a cessna 172N, i heard so many things going off.
The stall horn was making me clench with how close he was to the ground.
I’m not even a pilot-just an AvGeek and merely looking at how low and slow he was going through that valley had me uneasy. Hearing the stall horn so close to the ground made me pucker a bit. My limited understanding of flight suggests that he should have lowered the nose and gotten more power-if possible. Maybe by adjusting the fuel mixture? Either way pulling the nose up during a stall sounds like a bad idea.
@@mikoto7693 most planes are full rich under 3000ft above sea level. With how elevated they were mixture could be useful in getting more power but the engine can only do so much before you are too rich.
@@Syncrusan Aye, I was just wondering if he might have accidentally left the mixture too lean. But to be honest if I’d been flying I likely wouldn’t have been flying though a valley that low to begin with. 😆 If a non-pilot can look at that and feel it might be too low then I definitely would have known better as an actual student pilot.
I mean, I usually drive my car alone and on the days that I give my parents a lift out to the airport I can certainly feel the extra weight of two additional adult bodies plus two heavy suitcases! I can only imagine how it would have felt to fly a plane that’s heavier than usual!
Anyway, I truly wish you well in your studies and flights. I hope you achieve all your pilot goals and dreams. I might have been like you and be taking lessons myself had I been born a little wealthier.
I like how the commentary is both informative and given by someone that knows what he is talking about. Years ago, in Flagstaff, AZ my friend flying solo attempted a whip stall. Flagstaff elevation is around 7,200 ft. He didn't make it. That was about limits. I'm no pilot, but there is so much more than just limits. This person's videos are very informative to a novice.
unfortunately, there's a bunch of conjecture here. . .
It was a power failure. . .and his flare was a little high, about the only real mistake the pilot made. Everything else is opinion.
I've seen other videos this guy has made, and he has just been completely wrong. Even mis-identifying aircraft.
@@Jessersadler it doesn't sound like you are a pilot at all... I am and I can assure you this should have been avoided. Part of being a pilot is proper pre-flight awareness and going over emergency procedures. This flight never should have happened in the first place. And his emergency awareness was God awful. Either you are no pilot and consider your 20 hours of Microsoft flight simulator to suffice, or you need your license revoked. Absolute fool.
Update: the pilot and the man in front sustained major injuries but seems to have recovered from them. They went back later and spoke to a man who was there and called 911. His buddy didn't want to do this, by the way.
I think his family, who knows him well, wouldn't have asked him those pre-flight questions if they didn't know what he had a penchant to do. And he showed his true colors.
that's right. they knew.
was very suspicious the questions those kids and woman were asking. There gut was telling them something and those kids dont know any better than to say something. Concerning as fuck.
@@plaidjoker1321 well, they did say something. this is the problem with teaching young people to speak indirectly,, young people are taught , or bullied , to be passive and non-confrontational. they're not taught when it's appropriate to be direct, and confrontational. this is part of a bigger problem with humanity and that's rearing it's head these days.
My wife asks me those questions when I drive the cart at the grocery store
I’ll be honest, I feel like I’m internally and maybe even sometimes externally asking these questions when I’m getting in a car with someone I haven’t driven with before. I would probably hope and believe my family wouldn’t do anything dumb enough to kill me in flight, but I have been known to change plans based solely on my gut. If I had been there that morning with all that questioning going on it would have been way too damn much…and I would have just been like, “let me catch y’all tomorrow.”
Excellent commentary on this incident. I’m reminded about way back in the early ‘70s when I was a primary student pilot there was a prominent sign on display at the FBO which read, “Always maintain thy airspeed or the ground shall rise and smite thee.” And it was very common to hear the following on a marginal VFR or IFR day. “It’s much better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air rather than being in the air wishing you were on the ground.” That being said, the FAA has their minimums but my personal minimums are established much higher. Exa, FAA says I gotta be able to fly to my destination and if an alternate is required I must be able to fly to my alternate and have 45 minutes fuel remaining after that. My personal minimums are such that if/when I reach my alternate I have 1.5 hrs fuel remaining in the tanks after I get the plane tied down. And you will never see me intentionally flying low down mountain canyons. In mountainous terrain I apply IFR rules even though it might be VFR and I need 2000 ft alt and 4 NM lateral above the highest obstacle.
I'm an engineer and have worked with lots of people over the years who had advanced engineering degrees...but they were not good engineers. In the same way, just because you have a pilot's license, that does not ensure that you are a good pilot. I also have a pilot's license and have flown with people who never should have received their license. Best thing that could happen to this guy and his family is that the FAA (permanently) revokes his license.
I'm not sure how old you are, but schools are now more or less churning out "engineers", and the rigor certainly doesn't seem high enough to weed out those who don't belong.
Even from my own education, it has been disappointing the amount of time that was spent doing all kinds of theoretical problems with almost no focus on industry/engineering standards to the point that nobody graduating had ever had to size a single fastener or knew about various sizes or the reason for picking one material over another.
I have worked UNDER an "engineer" supervisor in the past who literally couldn't solve a basic algebra problem.
These problem have only been getting worse with the focus shifting from competency to DEI.
@LittleJoes that depends on how the other high schools setup their math curriculum.
I took Precalc as a Junior and Calc as a Senior in HS... I was then told I should retake Calc in college because "It's much harder than high school Calc!" (this was false... we learned ONE topic that wasn't covered in high school, everything else was the same).
Otherwise, it depends on which college you're touring... not all programs are equally good, as not all professors are equally good.
I'd look into how students rated their professors online if you'd like to know how good a program is.
Some of the professors I had could have just as easily been replaced by the book they were making us use.
@LittleJoes if you can get through the first 5 chapters in Calculus: Early Transcendental Functions 4th Edition by Larson Hostetler Edward's, that's essentially "college level" Calculus. That book alone covers Calc I, II, and III.
Unless your son struggled with Calculus in high school, I can't see any reason to repeat it in college as he'd just be wasting time (albeit boosting his GPA if the course is easy).
I went to Penn State and GA Tech for graduate school... in retrospect though, Penn State doesn't have the best student body and some professors were rather middling while GA Tech has fairly lousy facilities (in an ever worse area)... which I choose because my "love interest" went there!
I would try to check out any college ranked in the top 20 for his engineering discipline, then decide based on how he likes the campus and what he thinks of the faculty.
I'd also put more emphasis on hands-on / co-op learning opportunities as that's a better way to grasp what he really needs to learn to do real engineering.
If you take Calc in high school with a graphing calculator and the university forces you to learn it without the graphing calculator, you should retake it IMO.
One problem is lots of mechanical engineers are not taught GD&T (Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing) and so don't know how to make prints or read prints properly when they get into industry. GD&T can be difficult to really learn and some engineers just get a one week course then wonder why they all interpret the same print differently when GD&T is supposed to be an Iron Law regarding print reading, meaning they should all understand it the same.
Many engineers also do not get training in DFMA (Design for Manufacturability and Assembly), also known separately as DFM and DFA. They instead have only been trainee to design for functionality, and part functionality is but one element of product design. It must be designed to be manufacturable, easy to assemble, easy to maintain, supply chain in mind, etc...
While I appreciate you giving him kudos for the couple things that he did right, he f-ed up and should never be allowed to fly again. Not just because of his mistakes, but the fact that he still seems to think he did no wrong and that the crash was unpreventable.
Ya, I always try to at least find one or two good things to point out even when you make some really big mistakes.
@@pilot-debrief
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Yea, his confession video was his psyche justifying his actions.
Actually, on another comment thread someone pointed out that the pilot had recently been training on a STOL airplane and his landing technique seemed to be perfect for a STOL airplane coming in for a landing on rough, soft soil, except the stalling height was a bit too high. So inexperienced, but not quite as dumb as this video's author (and all the "me-too" pile-on criticizing commenters pretending expertise) portrayed him to be.
I’m pretty sure those weren’t the only skid marks that were about 10 ft long.
When you land vertically, you don't have a long roll-out.
Gross comment.🤢
Lmao
Just discovered this channel - another retired Air Force guy here (Public Affairs). Watching this from that perspective, having documented countless aircraft mishaps in my career, this is quite fascinating.
Love the explanations you put out. As a former military aviator it’s a stark difference in our safety training to civilian training.
"Train like you fight." ODS armor veteran. #salute
@@danepatterson8107 that’s a fact. The training provided at these flight schools is ok. Proficiency is by the FAA but it’s not quite as extensive the training we received on safety in the military. Thinking about it, from the chow hall line to the graduation of your career school and every training day after, safety was built into our daily operations.
@johnafsoc8929 Crazy. . . because in the commercial world (not part 121), military training isn't really looked upon that positively. Most "training" is 2 pilot operations, for things that doesn't fit the civilian world. Stick and rudder proficiency are commonly severely lacking from military pilots. Too many pilot aids in them million dollar aircraft. About the only thing military training is good for is for the airlines. . . and even then, you're going to get retrained. The worst, and most ego-driven pilots I have met, are "military" pilots. . . And thats saying a bunch coming from me😉🤪
*not saying there isn't some serious bad-asses in the military. Just that it's a few. Like most pilots. Average, especially compared to the commercial counterparts. Private rated pilot is a different ball of wax. . . And even then, that's a broad brush stroke.
If that's a view of his fuel status on takeoff of 20 gallons in the left tank and 10 gallons in the right, my first thought about the cause of an engine failure would be fuel starvation because the pilot didn't switch tanks.
The video shows him selecting the left tank right after that screenshot when they are on the ground. Never shows anything after that.
That would be fuel exhaustion and the engine would sputter irregularly. Vapor lock in the fuel line would be plausible for the weather and could cause fuel starvation resulting in a more stable reduction in power output. (Think British Airways Flight 38, Boeing 777 @Heathrow).
One thing that I find very useful about this crash, is that he had recently been training on STOL aircraft and training to land them on rough terrain. This explains his thought process on how he controlled his plane incorrectly. He was suffering from recency bias and interference with how STOLs behave versus normal aircraft. Another commenter pointed out that it sounded like the airplane was suffering from vapor lock and that makes the most sense as to why he lost power. Fuel pump on and switching tanks seems to be the best way to alleviate that issue.
Yup, I own a Carbon Cub and 182S. They operate very, very differently.
What is a stol aircraft? Sincerely non pilot
@@alaskayoung3413 short takeoff and landing
@@alaskayoung3413 Short Take Off/Landing
@@generalrendar7290 cool thx
One of the worst parts about this for me is that if you look at the original video, the pilot and "passenger family" defend these actions like the accident pilot was some sort of flying god. Without the poor airmanship and decision making made by their buddy, this accident never would have occurred. Literally all this dude had to do was fly the airplane and have basic knowledge of his aircraft and they would've landed in that field no problem.
The entire group is immature. Watch the videos they have published on RUclips since the crash. They think that they are very cool surviving a plane crash.
@@2kalubafak404 This generation, or this portion of our culture, live for one thing and that's attention from strangers.
Confirmation bias. He's family so they can't blame him for disabling his friend and almost killing all of them. It's easier to not face reality.
Well I think maybe hoping to make some money from a RUclips video but yes it is a thing these days to show the world what you are doing@@peterclemmins7099
He took friends and family for a plane ride. Once the lawyers get involved, you will see how good of friends you really have.
I read a story on this crash. One of the passengers said,”Someone said that you could feel angels everywhere, and I felt like that is what we experienced,” Mikesell said. “Someone else said that it looked like we were just being carried down to the ground, and I swear that is literally what happened.” I guess this is what a stall looks like. They really praised the pilot, saying that, “For the terrain that we were in and how it all unfolded, it takes more than a good pilot to get through this,” The pilot talked about how hard he had trained for emergency situations like this.
God, what an absolute narcissist. Can't stand this guy. hope they pull his cert and he never flies again. Yeah "trained for emergency situations" and doesn't even so much as glance at an engine out checklist. Pure jackass.
The plane involved here was a company plane (not a personal one) and was evidently de-registered after the accident. Explanations may be tough here. I suspect the mysterious engine problem was sitting in the left front seat. My late Dad used to fly my friends and family around in his Cherokee Six all the time and never had an issue remotely like this, even with a full house. That includes flying to golf resorts in the mountains of Virginia. I'd be flabbergasted if this guy aced his ground school. And believe me, I'd never willingly fly with him as pilot.
It was very mysterious - that aircraft is extremely reliable and capable. I am very surprised that the NTSB didn't dig into it any deeper - but to be fair, I have not read the full docket.
His family are “RUclipsrs”. That’s all I needed to hear. These morons use their family for profit and create drama. Responsibility is gone, they’re thinking about profit.
I'm with you on that!
@@dermickI'm in aviation insurance claims and work with NTSB a lot. NTSB only cares about piston aircraft if there are fatalities. They're stretched too thin to do a complete investigation for non fatal piston accidents. Jets are priority because they get the most public pressure.
@@jdotsalter910man i think thats kind of dumb of them. You know why? I watch this stuff all the time and I don't even know what's a piston and what's not....much less the general public
To me the importance is a balance between 1.) how many people died and 2.) How impactful the deaths were to people....basically what would correlate to "how many total people attended the funerals for the victims of a given crash". (There's honestly no more reliable way I can think of to quantify how important a person was to humanity in general than how many people travel on like 2 days notice to come to see that person one last time.
I could just see the FAA official watching his video and saying, "Hmm, hmm," "Oh, is that right?"
I was thinking the same!
Flying low and slow with pilot added drag - actually this can totally be analysed from the couch, even pre solo students who’ve flown a circuit. He had enough alt to put the nose down to avoid the stall.
How is this not intentional? Guy must be so stupid if it's not
Heck...there are ten yearer old aviation fanatics...especially ones with, say, dads who are pilots...who can analyze this one from the couch...his mistakes were that basic!
"Analyzed from the couch" i spit my coffee out, lmao
its somewhat true tho even a 12 year old would know theyre getting into a beyond fucked up position and be trying to avoid it before they did@@davidclark39
@@davidclark39 sorry!
I'm not a pilot, but the fact that this guy was apparently so concerned with bleeding off speed in an engine-out situation is baffling to me.
When I trained for my engine out landings, some centuries ago, I had to repeat the checklist items over and over again for my instructor, until I could do it in 15 seconds or so without thinking.
I made my own personal addition to the procedure, by saying aloud "airspeed" every 10 seconds (and check it while saying it) or so while maneuvering towards the selected landing spot, as an extra safety measure. I was surprised sometimes about how much it still varied, even though it was trimmed correctly, because you don't always realize how much you are pulling back on the stick while making some turns and having to focus on so many other things in a relatively high stress situation.
Having started as a glider pilot, I'm still convinced that this is the best place to start learning to fly, because you develop an instinct about energy management.
I'm glad they all survived, and this video an debrief is an excellent way to add awareness.
When people say things like
"You don't know how you would react in the same situation" etc.
I often find the response from people with experience is
"I know, because I would never get into this situation."
Duly noted but they are called ACCIDENTS for a reason & accidents can occur to anyone at anytime- machines fail- FACT so remember that it rains on the just & unjust alike... hope for the BEST but always prepare for the worst- SEMPER PARATUS
@@MrAdamNTProtester Yes, they are accidents, but that only denotes that the act was not intentional. There are many different causes of accidents and incompetence is one of them, along with many other pilot errors.
@@MrAdamNTProtestermost aviation incidents are caused by human error, hence why they’re termed “mishaps” instead of accidents. The events that occurred usually happened due to poor decision-making rather than a flaw in the design of the aircraft or a malfunction of some kind.
Experienced people, got lucky when they weren't experienced. Experience is earned, mistakes can happen along the way.
The pilot could not have known the engine would fail when flying low without a place to land, but that is why you don't fly low low unless you have a place to land.
Love this channel. I am not a pilot and I pray I never have to get on a plane again after some bad commercial flights but I am taken by all the great tech info and knowledge. These video will save many lives. Unfortunately there is no way to ascertain how many or how often. Many if us boaters post videos like this to point out past and potential dangers. Thanks you for making these that someone else may learn and avoid some of these disaters
The pilot, during his statement, keeps touching his face, a clear indication of dissembling.
You mean lying
@@user-bs5gl1uy4k Yep!
Ah, yes. I watch body language closely and I caught that immediately Rule of thumb: never give a statement that contradicts facts of an incident that was caught on camera.
@@user-bs5gl1uy4k No, OP meant dissembling.
Nonsense. You cant make that distinction on anybody without an established baseline 🤦♂️
When I was an instructor, the temptation I saw most student pilot make was pulling back on the control yoke and shortening their glide distance by increasing the drag and watch their landing field get further away. The best glide speed or best L/D ratio is there for a reason because speeding up or slowing down doesn't help you land on target. Glide approaches (powered) onto final are some of the best competency training exercises a PIC can do to stay current.
It's takes tremendous skill, even intuition, to my non pilot eyes. I have always been fascinated with flying, but just don't have "it." So these kinds of videos save my life.
This is a classic example of the old saying: “Nobody is worthless as they can always serve as a bad example.”
Your comment about doing a forward slip to lose altitude while keeping best glide speed hit home with me. During my flight test for the PPL, the examiner pulled the power during cruise to simulate engine out but the field I chose was too close, leaving me with a lot of altitude to lose. Thankfully, my instructor had drilled me extensively on side-slips and forward-slips so I was prepared. During debrief, the examiner let me know that while he wasn't too impressed with his excellent view of the ground out my side window at the time, he passed me because I kept the C-150 fully under control with the airspeed glued to the best glide speed throughout the manouver and ended up at the correct height and position required. The bad field desicion was all mine; the recovery of the situation was thanks to my excellent flight instructor.
I had quite a funny event concerning side-slipping. I was training with a senior instructor to move from training PPL's to would-be commercial pilots. As an ex glider-pilot, side-slipping was very much in my "tool-box" for dealing with adjustments on practice-forced landings. Every time I did it he would indicate disapproval! Some weeks later we were spinning a Zlin which chucked most of it's oil out during the spin, (it's favourite "party trick") and we ended up gliding to the overhead of our airfield. As it was my first flight on type, he elected to fly the approach and landing, as the Zlin, dead-stick, glided like a type-writer. So I'm looking at the circuit he flew, and thought it looked impossibly high, and sure enough, I felt the rudder move as he almost imperceptibly introduced side-slip to bring the approach from the ridiculous to the sublime. I couldn't resist "tutting" over the mic, and we were met by the firemen who were nonplussed to find us both laughing our heads off! I never heard any comments about side-slipping ever again!
Slipping, S-turns and slow flight are all preferences. There are arguments to be had with everyone of them. More than one way to skin a cat
Just found your channel today & now I'm bingeing all the videos.
I've been binging for the past couple of weeks! Great channel!
Well narrated. I learned to fly in same area. New pilots have no clue what density altitude means. No clue. I made the same mistake as he, immediately after my ppl license. Loaded a 172 with 4 people and fuel and didn't know why it climbed so poorly after takeoff. Also, why did the engine stop? Was it fuel starvation?
Pretty sure the NTSB would have noted fuel starvation, had it occurred.
I don’t the engine quit. He said he was cruising at 50% power and when he tried to advance the throttle, there was no power increase.
@@mouser485 oh, I know exactly what this is. He gave away the mistake if he said this. He was super leaned out because he descended from higher altitude at low power and if you advance the throttle without adjusting the mixture the engine dies. It's a classic mistake. He forgot to adjust his mixture.
@@planefun2962Oh...I was thinking carburetor ice, but I'm old...is this airplane's fuel system subject to carburetor icing? Does it have a carburetor?
@@jerrysmith5782 no carb. You described mixture misuse. If that's what he says.
WOW!!!
The Feds love when not only a video of a crash exists, but an accompanying self disclosure video of a statement by a pilot.
Lots of mistakes for others to learn from and avoid.
This crash stunk to high heaven when I first saw it some time ago. The pilot didn’t seem to spend any effort trying to remedy the alleged engine trouble. Later the NTSB finds nothing wrong with the engine. He’s lucky he didn’t end up with a criminal charge after injuring his passengers with that poorly handled crash landing. This looks like another failed attempt to garner RUclips viewers. Nothing surprises me today.
The crash certainly garnered him more RUclips viewers than he would’ve had … had he just landed the aircraft safe and sound back at Roosevelt field. It’s just that the “cost” involved was very, very high given that the front passenger is now disabled for life.
could be that he had added too much fuel for the oxygen available... mismanaged the ratio and all that... does not look like something staged to me, feels like too much genuine panic and confusion.
@@presspound7358 That's tragic - I didn't know that. Really sad, and completely avoidable.
A plane full of content creators (attention whores IMO), landing gear dropped as if about to land, engine found to have no problems, gear warning horn indicating idle/low power setting, low fuel level to minimize post fire, lots of foreshadowing in the video, poor pilotage. I say this is another Trevor Jacobs-type stunt for clicks gone wrong. On the original video at timestamp 4:05, the girl named Jennifer says something and looks terribly worried, but I cannot hear what she says.
I agree, the whole thing screamed 'intentional' to me from the very beginning. But I think they were planning on an off airport landing rather than stalling and dropping it in.
Would have been more interesting to show the crash site & plane for a minute or two at the end of the video.
never let this guy near an airplane again
Should have his driver's license revoked too. What a imbecile.
Agree
This is not the first time this scenario has played out.
Long before the NTSB was a thing, Wolfgang Langwiesche wrote "Stick and Rudder" and that 83+ year old book goes into great detail about this exact scenario and others like it.
If you are a pilot or thinking about becoming a pilot, Please read that book.
It's the single most important book about how to fly an airplane, still today. Highly recommended.
Never heard of this book but as a 10k hour pilot I’m always looking to learn. On your advise I’ve purchased it and will read it. Thanks
@@Richard-ib3kp Richard, I hope you enjoy it - I did!
Agreed. The book for beginning pilots to read. The chapter towards the end [ The working speeds of the airplane ] is exceptional, never seen such a concise and comprehensive rendering of A/S anywhere like it .
100% agreed. I've read S&R every year since I first got interested in aviation some 50 years ago. It should be required reading for all prospective flyers.
There was zero reason he needed to stall the plane that high, that was the most dangerous part of this entire situation.
Always gotta keep flying it until its on the ground, and then some
I could not believe it, it looked like they dropped faster than freefall. It was like a partial power dive.
They dropped like a rock and that field was so big he definitly didn't know how to glide land properly.
He actually lifted his nose several times even with the stall horn blaring. When all else fails just keep that damn nose down. A fast landing beats the hell out of dropping like a rock from 50 feet.
@@davethibeault2484 A fast landing on rough soft soil with embedded rocks and scattered trees?!
I remember a pilot explaining to me once a simple phrase .
How do you know you are sitting next to a pilot .
"He'll tell you"
I always talk to private pilots before I fly with them. Sometimes I end up staying on the ground because I feel they had no plan in a situation like this.
IF they are PREPARED properly then they should be prepared to answer your questions easily & with indifference to your motives- so that is a very good approach- if you can take the time to prepare a checklist of questions then the PILOT has no excuses for not having made his PREPARATIONS sufficient that he can answer them on demand!
The T210 has a known issue with power loss due to vapor lock. There are multiple placards regarding fuel flow fluctuations and power loss and to use the boost pumps to purge the vapor.
He would’ve been at low to idle power trying to descend down the canyon if he felt that he needed gear and flaps as drag to control speed heading down canyon.
He didn’t have the skill set to do what he was doing.
If only he had executed an immediate "loss of engine power" checklist. The first item is general "select fullest tank" and the second "boost pump on". That would have cleared up any vapor lock in about 10 seconds. There is another possibility - when turbos go bad, the compressor wheel can hang up with a stuck bearing or momentary contact with the inside of the housing at low RPM, and that instantly turns the airplane into a normally aspirated version, with less HP due to the intake tract obstruction. I once saw a guy with an airplane with two turbos, took off and experienced a partial loss of power. Returned to the airport, diagnosed a stuck turbo impeller. Freed it up, inspected it and didn't find anything wrong with it, so they put the airplane back together and flew it to Utah with no further issues.
So… this guy is alive not because he’s a good pilot. He’s alive because he’s a lucky. 🍀 very lucky pilot.
Well you do need to be lucky in life... 😉
But it seems like his Plan A was 'fly down the canyon like a drone for pics', Plan B ' luck'; and if that doesn't work, Plan C: ' 'Wear a nice suit for my Darwin Award, and if my wife can't tie a tie I'm sure the mortician can.'
A 152 emergency landed on a busy beach in my town a few years back and it was caught on video. It came in behind a teenager walking with his back to the plane and the wing hit his head. It's why I'm always saying they should put horns on planes so they can warn people on the ground when they're coming in for an emergency landing.
Horns on planes lol 😆
Not a pilot, and yet I find these videos incredibly interesting and informative. Thank you very much. And thank you for your military service. My family is mostly Navy (my dad retired a Captain, equivalent to a Full Bird in the other services, an O-6), but my dad’s older brother was a Taiwanese fighter pilot who flew an F-5 variant (I believe), and later flew U-2 before retirement. He still wears gold RayBan aviators, and has maintained an Air Force regulation compliant haircut even though he’s in his early 80’s, haha. There’s a special place in my heart, and a deep admiration and respect for anyone who has served their country in military service in any capacity.
Subscribed. Thank you 🫡
The way this dude breaks down this video and overall demeanor makes me want to take a flight with him. Great video.
I’m just an aviation fan. I don’t know anything about flying. But really like this channel and how you explain everything! RESPECT ✊
Very interesting. I had seen this incident on another channel previously, however as a non-pilot, I had always thought he'd done a reasonably decent job of putting it down (though I had previously questioned his choices leading up to it of flying low and slow in an enclosed canyon!). I really like your perspective on it, because it really illustrates that there were a lot more mistakes made here than I previously thought.
Excellent description and analysis of the incident. Good to know no one perished