Transair B732 Ditches into Ocean off Honolulu | "We can't maintain altitude"
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2021
- 02/JUL/2021
Transair B732 performing flight from Honolulu to Kahului was on the initial climb when the pilots reported thay had just lost and engine and might lose the other one too.
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It's absolutely amazing they survived. Great job, everyone!!
Water landing a 737 and getting out is no simple feat.
That: "you will call the Guard coast too" is the kind of foresight (in both sides ATC and Pilot) that some times saves lives. This was one of those times.
Is this the one just happened today?
@@notme2day Yes. VASAviation is on the ball on this thing. If there's an incident, it's gonna be here.
Is there an unedited version?
For everyone who insults this crew for doing checklists, you'll have to swallow your gut feeling and accept that the crew did the right thing. The checklists are written with the blood of pilots who didn't do them.
checklists are there because of the massive amounts of information the pilots need to CHECK. its not just about pushing the throttle forward and flying the plane. people who complain have never actually even watched pilots doing checklist.
Exactly. Your life depends on having absolute knowledge of every part of your aircraft, Checklists are there to poke every part of your brain to find a solution to your problem.
I'll just add that it isn't an either/or thing. There's such a thing as placing too much emphasis on the checklists and not managing the situation that you're in. Swissair 111 is a good example. I'd rather land an incorrectly configured airplane than not make the airport. It's easy to get tunnel-vision when your eyes are in the book, and all you want to do is get those items read and completed... but you have to know when it's time to give up on that. I've fallen for that trap in the sim myself. It's also impossible to tell how long a hot engine is going to give you before it gives up. Glad everyone survived this one.
Ideally with two pilots, one would be focused on the checklist, while the other would be thinking of alternative solutions.
Pilot 1: checking the lists to configure the aircraft in the event of a lost engine, or other emergency.
Pilot 2: should we start turning back to the airport if the other one gives out? What's the closest airport? Are the waters calm enough to safely ditch? Are there any highways nearby (smaller aircraft) where we could improvise a runway?
Both equally difficult tasks and almost impossible to do it alone. Thankfully the only time we'd be alone is if it's NORAD and the other pilot is gone.
@@becausereasons8507 more like pilot flies. Co pilot does the preliminary checklist. Always fly the plane first. I forgot who says that. I think its captain joe.
when "roll the trucks" turns into "nevermind roll the Coast Guard", yikes
''The hospital reported one of the pilots (58) is in the intense care unit in critical condition, the other (50) received serious head injuries and multiple lacerations and is in serious condition.''
@@eliomiro7855 oh no. I saw the headline that said they were rescued and just assumed they were ok. Hope they pull through
Technically, boats are offroad vehicles
@@eliomiro7855 any update?
@@outboundflight4455 Both now stable condition and expected to survive thankfully
"You need to let the Coast Guard know."
This man has accepted his fate.
Cancel that order of firetrucks, we'll take an order of boats to go.
Not panicking under pressure and giving yourself the best possible chance in a bad situation. "I'm screwed, but how can I ensure I'm the least screwed possible."
Good pilot. Kinda wonder if they had known about that second airport, if they could have gone for it a little earlier though. One engine out, other in trouble usually means beeline for the closest runway...
@BOB K Ya, I saw the "732" on the radar and went "well then. That's an old lady alright."
@BOB K You spend a lot becoming a pilot, like, A LOT, and most of the times there is not an avaliable job at lets say Emirates, British, Air France, Lufthansa, or all these big and respected airlines. After all, you've spent a lot to get your license, so you better get any job avaliable to start having some profit on your career
What a legend
It's been said before and I'll say it again. "Clear to land any runway" has vibes of "Get here if you can, don't worry about landing spots." and that _chills._
I can almost hear she saying just, just make it back 😊
It is the first time ij one of these recordings I have heard desperation in the voice of the controller. She did an amazing job.
UA232's pilot's comment of "You want to be particular and make it a runway, huh?" springs to mind
whats worse here... they powered down the wrong engine... had they powered down the number 2 engine and powered up the number 1... they could have kept flying for hours.
I agree--totally chilling--especially when you consider they basically closed the airport to make that happen. No other plane could be anywhere near any runway for the duration.
Man imagine watching an aircraft that you're guiding back, disappear from your radar, and go silent. Probably the worst feeling for an ATC I'd imagine.
Not something I would wish on even my worst enemy...
my colleague from Ukraine had it with MH17
I've been there. Pretty intense.
Cactus flashbacks
I hated hearing it on this video, and I knew they were both pulled from the water.
Pilot uttered, "Thank you very much, appreciate it' after hearing Coast Guard's deployment. Supreme politeness by the pilot here, despite facing imminent danger.
I guess when you're about to die in a crash, and talking to the only person who could send help to you, you want to stay correct ! :)
Because if you die anyway, at least you didn't harshtalk to that last person you talked to, and if you survive, you really like everything she made for that end :)
I‘ll never understand how they keep so cool and polite on these calls. i was screaming into my steering wheel yesterday just because i missed a turn.
The pilots knew they were going to lose communication and then they would be in the ocean on probably a fast sinking fuselage, so unless they could see the lights on land and were strong swimmers, the Coast Guard was their last hope and they were grateful the air tower sent out the alert. Hopefully their plane ditched and lights stayed on long enough for Coast Guard to spot them.
@@andrejgo6644
I've been in one situation where, had I fucked up, I'd have been dead.
If it's not now-imminent but soon-imminent, the adrenaline is a GREAT help in focusing your mind to EVERY SINGLE thing that MIGHT save you (OR might wreck your best plan).
I'm probably projecting a bit here, but to me it sounded like the pilot was getting all his ducks in a row, and after that point (where you've done all you can), you just hand over your fate to the universe :)
It's a very calm but focused type of apprehension, seeing _the_ deciding moment approach you.
And, apparently, it worked for both me and the pilots :)
(although their situation was definitely _way_ stickier than mine!)
@@andrejgo6644 they're too busy flying the plane to panic.
Seconds from hitting the water and the pilot says thank you to ATC for a heading. What gigantic balls.
Astronaut-grade balls....
Training. Like the crooks who signal their turns when running from the police.
At that point there's really not much else you can do.
Gratitude must be the overarching sense just before you die.
It was night so they probably didn't know how close they were
“You are cleared to land any runway.” Wow, those are chilling words.
I know right
You could hear the dread in her voice bless her
"You want to be particular and make it a runway, huh?"
Not really. They are an emergency, just helping them out. Standard.
It gave me chills, too. In fact, it gave me chills to read your comment.
"both pilots were rescued"... the best ending we always would like to read
Depends who was flying
Thank goodness! I was holding my breath
False 🤣
Damn it you ruined it
@@doapSauce 😆
You can feel her distress when she replies "yes, they have". No matter how professional you are, it must be hard to know that you may have heard the last words of people you were trying to help.
That’s so true, in many professions, such as mine in anesthesiology.
That's my mama. She's an amazing air traffic controller
Yeap. It's called being a human. Strange also how mind works. Whenever there are things you 'can' do to help - you can stay task focused an not let emotions get in way but when there's nothing left to do and someone else takes over - castguard in this caes - your mind tells you - it's time to start processing what just happened.
I thought the ATC was ACES from top-to-bottom.
In an emergency, one pilot flys the plane and communicates, while the other pilot works one the problem.
"No, I was kinda busy". Understatement of the decade. What an awesome ATC.
@@geoffsmith6373 where’s her attitude? She did a hell of a job. She has to have certain info so they know what they’re dealing with.
@@adamdeffenbaugh9535 I agree Adam. I don't know what Geoff was on about. The ATC seemed to put everything she had into this incident. And it's understood that ATC needs/wants certain information for readiness, as you stated.
@@roderickcampbell2105 But she did complicate the situation by repeatedly keying over other transmissions from BOTH a/c.
@@daveism3000 that's a great point.
I think they both stepped on each other a few times - also the pilots transmissions were very long, I realise they were in a pretty horrific situation, but they were doing it to each other. Also, how chilled out was the accident aircrafts pilot? I realise that panicking wouldn't help, but he seemed so chilled!
@N Fels Did you watch the video?
Let's not forget, it was ditching in FULL DARKNESS on open ocean..
Except they had all their lights functional so it wasn’t full darkness
Balls of steel
Dude. That’s my nightmare
@@reflectiveglasses3338 Thanks for your expert insight Danny! Sounds like a cakewalk when you put it that way.
@@reflectiveglasses3338 its literally a pitch black hole until youre 30 feet off the ground, so yeah they could see the water 5 seconds before hitting it
survived ditching a 737 in the ocean in the middle of the night with no visual references, absolutely incredible
well said!
Will have to re review this clip, before commenting.
Man, what makes it so much more heartbreaking is that the pilot even had the courtesy to give the controller a "thank you veryuch, appreciateit" 😭
There was no fatalities, both pilots were pretty banked up but survived thankfully.
He was a little busy
Did your words crash with each others too?
Two years later the final NTSB report comes out, and turns out they had a perfectly good #1 engine that they reduced to idle power after getting mixed up about which engine was out.
Everybody was praising the pilots for sounding good on the radio but it was a complete fail on their part.
I like people like you that updates with latest informations.
So basically TransAsia again
The flight departed at 1:33am and crashed before 2am, so it was pitch black. It would have been immensely difficult for pilots to figure out their relative positions, and altitude without any visual reference.
They have GPS and altimeter. Do you think they were flying visually in IMC?
@@rykehuss3435 I don't believe the Transair 737's have GPS. They fly VOR to VOR.
@@etops8086 The planes might not but damn sure the pilots have ipads with some aviation app running on them
Also it’s a cargo airline exclusively operated in Hawaii, so they are familiar with the area.
When all your thouuuuusands of hours of night time ifr go out the window LOL no they knew exactly where they were....Instead they shutdown the wrong engine,crazy.
This is good example of why saying mayday, mayday, mayday is very important. Pilot needed to basically repeat his emergency declaration 2 times.
Good point. I've seen controllers be slow on the uptake with emergencies
Absolutely thought the same thing. A mayday call could have created a priority to get them on the ground rather than vectoring away from the airport initially and or altered them to the option to land to the north airport.
Agree!
@@LoganCoutts they specifically told the controller they weren't ready to return yet multiple times because they were running checklist. I wasn't in the cockpit so I'm not going to speculate any further.
@@flythebus Exactly. It didn't occur to the pilots that their second engine wasn't going to make it...I'm all for checklists, but maybe after an engine out staying close enough to the airport for a glide back is advisable. If they had started back immediately, they would have easily made it. If they got back and still had a second engine running and checklists to run, they can just overfly the airport.
She was "talking over" the pilots I'm pretty sure because the aircraft was on tower frequency the whole time (she was working multiple frequencies including ground/local and approach/departure). They were probably marginally in range that far out and were cutting out, so she thought the transmission ended. The audio here is from people's aviation scanners, not the actual receivers the tower was using.
Good points.
Probably why they were doing radio checks when it didn't sound that bad to us.
thanks for this info. it was really frustrating to listen to, but glad to hear a reasonable explanation.
Additionally, the aviation scanners can pick up and decode some cases of simultaneous transmit, but the tower equipment cannot decode it.
I spent 25 years as a cop. Yes you are right lots of mics walking on each other. I hope these guys make a full recovery. Bad memories hearing the garble and the buzz.
The sudden radio silence is always the most haunting part of any emergency situation.
That final 'blip' on the radar screen when the aircraft disappeared was a *gulp* moment. Glad the pilots got out OK, and kudos to everyone involved.
Both pilots were not "ok" one of them was unconscious or not fully conscious IIRC. They were both lucky to make it out alive. The plane broke up on landing.
She sounded more stressed than the pilot's even knowing they may die in a matter of seconds. Full professionalism from both parties.
The lady in ATC was pretty useless though.
@@mahendrasmith7589 What? She was handling the ground, tower, AND approach frequencies (and probably a few others) at the same time *by herself*, handling the other company traffic, rolling the fire trucks, calling the coastguard, making room the emergency aircraft, and giving them vectors, alternates, and assistance right up to the moment they hit, all while maintaining an amazing level of composure and professionalism for the situation she was in. She did an absolutely outstanding and heroic job, and saved two lives in the process. What could she have POSSIBLY done any better?
@@mahendrasmith7589 you would have done better?
@@GlutenEruption Well, for one, actually vector them back to the airport when they first declared an emergency, instead of having the pilots explain their situation like three times.
And If she was really with it, she would have asked if they wanted Kalaeloa airport sooner instead of waiting until they were already halfway to HNL.
@@mahendrasmith7589 ummmmmmmm, you realize the pilots refused vectors until they were ready for them? I don't care what ATC wants me to do if I have a problem, the tower isn't going to crash and explode.
What's even more amazing was that the USCG found the pilots using only their NVG's and an oil slick in the middle of the night. No beacons, no lights, and no flares.The first officer was clinging to a pallet and the captain on the tail fin until it sunk.
is this 2nd of july? i want to know how bright the moon was... i would have freaked
The Swedish coast guard rescued a fishing boat years ago that only managed to transmit "we're capsicing"
They flew a helicopter down the bearing of the transmission
They know what they are doing.
Kalaeloa Airport, where they chose to divert to at the last minute, is also known as Coast Guard Air Station Barbers Point. The Guardsmen did a great job, of course, but it helped that the pilots almost literally ditched the plane in their back yard, less than two miles from their helibase.
BRAVO ZULU @USCG Air Sta Barber’s Point! ✨Semper Paratus ✨
stepping on each other was tough to hear, but the rescue was great!
Such a relief to hear they both survived. It really amazes me the calmness of a lot of pilots in this situation.
You can hear the distress in the controllers voice when she lost contact.
you could hear it before that
The panic didn’t really take hold until the discussion about the second airport came in.
Yes, I am human
She did an amazing job.
@@BrodyMcBain Not denying that. Must be a sickening feeling when you don't know what's happening and there isn't more you can do.
Having 2 aircraft with almost identical call signs definitely didn't help the initial emergency report.
Pilot was at fault.. Emergency Situation should be a forceful transmission.. not "we're gonna need to return".
In situations such as this you double stress the call sign. "Rhoades 809, Roadhes 809, turn left heading 240, immediately"
The controller added "express" to aid with differentiating her intended audience. Absolute pros.
Murphy’s law man
Neither did the radio blocking. That was the cause of the confusion.
You can hear how worried the ATC was, bless her. I would of been in tears at the point the paint ditched.
It hits different looking at it again now, knowing that it actually was pilot error and they had one perfectly running engine. Those first exchanges with ATC were crucial for the captain to become distracted and misidentify the engine. Still, glad they survived it. Great lesson for the rest of us as well
So it wasn't running hot at all?
@@las1147 Suggest googling for "Dark Waters of Self-Delusion: The crash of Transair flight 810 by Admiral Cloudberg". One engine was damaged and running hot but after they put both engines in idle the stress must have made them identify the fully functional engine as the broken one. So after that moment they left a fully functional in idle for the rest of the flight and added thrust on the broken one and thus made the determination that both engine was broken. The article by Admiral Cloudberg is very interesting and this comment should be higher up for people that watch this now, so that they what really caused the crasch.
@@las1147 there was an issue with one of the engines, the other was fine. The pilots misidentified the failing engine and throttled it back to avoid a fire. By doing so they reduced the power of the plane below minimums and caused the loss of altitude through their actions. Cause of the accident was pilot error. At no time did they attempt to increase thrust in the working engine, had they done so they would have immediately realized their mistake and regained full control of the aircraft. The one engine was working perfectly and was well within specs to fly the aircraft without the other engine.
Calm and professional the whole time, but you could definitely hear and feel the tension/anxiety rising. My goodness.
Two takeaways for me. I will pay closer attention to my distance away from the field if I lose an engine. Also, I will never criticize the training department again for emphasizing the use of "mayday mayday, mayday/pan pan, pan pan, pan pan" right way in an emergency. Would have overcome a lot of confusion at the beginning of the exchange. That being said good job to the pilots and controller handling the situation. I think all three of them will come away thinking of things they could have done different/better. In the end I am so thankful it all worked out and no one was killed.
You can hear the stress in her voice, but she seemed to maintain control of the situation when she tried to direct them to the second airport.
Absolutely right. Mayday is simple and to those who say that it dilutes “declaring an emergency” this is why it matters… and it’s also what the rest of the world does!
why didn't he turn base to final while still high and close to the airport? I get the fuel weigh issue... just asking.... OH and thank you Coast Guard
@@krezvan the pilots ran a bunch of checklists. They would involve attempting to diagnose and resolve the engine out issue, continue to a climb, and prepare for a descent and landing. The ideal response would've involved attempting to land immediately, back at Honolulu or lining up for the other airport's runways.
I'm not going tp second guess anyone, but the pilots must have been dealing with a lot of information trying to keep the plane flying and dealing with a two engine failure. Would be interesting to see Mentour do a breakdown of this one once the investigation is complete.
You can hear the fear in all of their voices... They know it's coming but they all maintained professional composure. This is one of the hardest ones I've watched. Glad they both made it out safely.
Im impressed with how calm everyone was though even through the inital miscommunication tbh that couldnt of been easy to deal with on either side
She certainly did all she could, you want someone like her to be there when you're in trouble. Respect.
When the pilots routed out over the ocean instead of the local holding pattern, that looked tough. When the plane was routed to its departure airport, instead of the closer (though notably shorter) one, that looked tough. Sure, as all parties agreed to routinely forfeit options, they eventually ran out of options.
I'd prefer someone who didn't talk over top of me, personally.
@@newsnowbc1934 Even those experienced and with years of practice will struggle to remain calm with adrenaline making them feel unsettled.
I think she was just very worried and was trying to remain calm, but she was full of adrenaline from the situation.
Are you kidding me, she almost let them fly past the closest airport.
@@bulldogbrower6732 well, we're all keen to hear your improvement.
What would you have suggested?
Man, that controller was trying so hard. It hit me in the feels to hear the inflection in her voice change to such a dejected state of pain when she was talking with T2.
Bro, mandafakup
@@z00h kid, growdafukup
"dejected state of pain" he said
@@eliasgolf2024 Being a retired controller but working many emergencies, if I were her boss, I would fire her, Obviously no idea how to handle an emergency.
@@seacolonyguy please enlighten us all, oh professional one, you and only you can speak on such matters.
I just heard this overat LiveATC and I want to give a big kudos to the controller. Not only was she handling the Rhodes in flight emergency, but she also was handling approach and ground!!
The woman needs to be recognized for her well done job.
Great point. The same holds true for the controller handling southwest 1380. If you listen to the unedited version, he has about six other aircraft on approach.
Not a very good job by the controller.
Miguelcafunga what? First the pilot isnt ready to land....so they just fly around.....controller has them ready to land at the airport anytime they want and they take their sweet time and then at the last second she gives them an airport that's 3 miles away and then thret are the water in the next mile that sounds like pilot mistake to me
That's why they get payed the big bucks.
@@mrkoolio4475 She didn't hear the first time they declared an emergency, then she panicked and stepped on the emergency aircraft's communications several times. She did pull herself together eventually though.
Never stop being amazed at how cool calm and collective these pilots and ATC can be. Much respect
No kidding. Those guys were going down in the dark of night. Knowing you were about to look death in the face and keep your cool like that. Salute to them. And both sides(pilots and atc) never lost their cool. Pilot even saying thank you at one point.
Unbelievable how calm and professional all were congratulations for being the best😆😇🙏🏻👍✈️
It's nice that there's at least one oasis of professionalism and extremely high level performance in society
I like how the controller was so quick to broadcast that she stepped on almost every transmission, even causing confusion a couple times because of it.
You can hear her feeling of desperately wanting to be able help them, but there is nothing more that she can do. She has already done everything that she can. So glad everyone survived.
She is not listening till end of transmission, interrupting them several times.
Did every 1 survive?? Was there any passangers
@@JoanOdinson yes, cargo flight so no passengers.
@@antongazaryan2532 Totally agree. Could've saved them valuable seconds if either didn't have to repeat themselves multiple times
@@sumdog747 they were on the wrong frequency. Not her fault
I was working at the airport that night......3 days later the FAA grounded their entire fleet. Still grounded today. Glad the pilots made it out.
Also the pilots got their license suspended pending investigation. In my option they took them self way to far our into the water, they needed to make their downwind and land the aircraft, instead they took it several miles into the ocean.
The company has very old 373-200 aircraft, no one in America operates -200 series anymore plus old JT8 engines.
Or perhaps their license was "suspended" because their medical was pulled due to injuries sustained during a night ditching in a steam gauge airliner?
The plane with the engine failure the week after this one flew further out into the sea to run checklists before turning back. They still have their certs.
They should have just came back in. IDC what the situation is.....if I lose an engine and can return to land then thats what Im going to do. Why would I go run checklists after I already lost 1 engine and I'm basically still in the pattern???? Make it make sense.
@@Propilot23k dude, I even asked that myself with pilots in the airfield: why did they go out so far??
No one could answer!
@@Propilot23k Because if they went to land without running the checklists, they would have no situational awareness of their plane. What if the engine cut out due to a hydraulic reason that they weren't aware of because of not going through a checklist, or an electrical fault that could cause serious problems if only known on the final approach? Checklists need to be run and is likely why they knew they needed to return before the engine actually cut out. Yes they could have done it a little closer to the field, but when there are so many things to think about, something will always be done slightly less efficiently than it could have been if you weren't in a high pressure situation.
@@Firewolf_Daimyo not even trying to be an ass here so excuse me if sound like i am. Are you a pilot of any kind in the real world?
The pilot sounded like he was not the top of his class. He wasted precious time turning around when they gave him emergency clearance.
The pain in her voice, chilling.
Tower keeping composure but you could here the emotion and concern coming through. They did a cracking job though
Tower get smy vote for "Keeping Your Shit Together Awards 2021."
I felt she added to the pilots workload by suggesting an alternate with manual runway lights, requiring a tight turn when they were already short of energy and altitude, plus the alternate ATC or ground get only a few minutes notice. Better off flying straight in and if necessary ditching in a stable attitude, surely?
@@hottuberrol968 she didn't instruct them to do anything. She basically give the pilots all the information they needed to make the decisions for themselves. Would be quite worrying if she never mentioned a closer runway when they were struggling to maintain altitude.
@@hottuberrol968 It's the pilots who make the decision about which airport to use. She was correct in giving them an alternate airport that was closer.
@@macky4074 But she was way too late in proposing that option.
5:00 … you can just sense how fast things began to unfold. What an emotional roller coaster this one was
Massive respect for the crew of the plane. ATC gets an A+ too
The pilots turned off the wrong engine.
Very good video Victor!
Oh, MP here as well, nice.
Why Hello there
What's your vector, Victor? Sorry, couldn't resist.
Very Valid Video Victor (VVVV)
@@rustythrombosis5417 Roger Roger, Over Oveur! (Also couldn't resist). We need to get these people to a hospital. Why what is it? It's a big building with patients in it but that's not important right now (OK I'll stop...)
Ditching in the sea at night, surviving by clinging onto a pallet and the tail fin before it sank - mad skills and some luck! Props to the pilots and the rescue team.
Not to mention how vigorous the waves are!
@@em0123 10 feet ways and 15 knot wind
Stupid pilots.
@@oat138 Agreed, where is the ADM and CRM???
@@oat138 according to this ATC recording its seems that they should have done a lot more and better, but I don't think it is the right time to blame them now. Lets just hope for the pilots' speedy recovery for the time being, and leave everything else to experts investigating in this incident.
The story behind this, which has only come to light in recent months, is crazy. As some of you might have suspected, they didn't have a double engine failure - they misidentified the failed engine having got distracted by communicating with ATC rather than flying the plane. Part of the reason they got distracted is that one of the FO was a part timer who'd spent most of the last 15 years as a lawyer; and the captain was distracted by having just got into an argument with his original FO, who had stormed out of the cockpit at his behaviour. Completely dysfunctional crew and airline. Have a read, captains name is Henry Okai.
Great professionalism showed by the ATC and the pilots. No panic just doing their job until the end. Wow I’m impressed 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I saw an interview with the two USCG pilots who effected the rescue. Two awesome heroes! Sounds like they barely got to one of the cargo pilots in time. They flew them to Queens Hospital and landed on the roof in the wee hours of the morning.
you have the link?
@@OmarEwert This should be it: ruclips.net/video/nZJPRAkyIRw/видео.html
@@OmarEwert And here some videos from the rescue: ruclips.net/video/h1ua9L7KJks/видео.html
Reminds me of the comment from Capt. Haynes on the United flight - "Oh, you want to be particular and make it a runway?" Absolutely incredible.
That radar disappearance was chilling, even when watching this months later and knowing they're ok. Whoah. Well the amazing other things have already been posted, great video mate, thank you.
The 737 was recovered. While it did break apart, it was in only a few very large pieces. A testament to the skill of the pilots!
737s ALWAYS break in 3 sections. Haven't seen MDs or Airbus products exhibit the same.
They reduced power to the wrong engine. Could have landed at HNL
Remember that the audio that we hear comes from multiple sources, giving us better quality audio and more understanding of what's happening, while the controller only has the one they're using which could result in so many different ways where they may not hear the pilots. On top of that, the controller is also working multiple frequencies which only adds to the levels of stress and things they need to do. Remember that it's much easier to critique when sitting comfortably and having the benefit of listening to both sides than it is being in the perspectives of one of the parties.
Is this controller working Tower, ground or departure control? Or are all these combined positions? Stress?, two aircraft should not make a stressful scenario.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 you misunderstand. She’s controlling two frequencies, not just two aircraft. That means all aircraft and vehicles such as baggage, fuel trucks etc are under her command as well hence as the true severity of the emergency becomes clear she evidently stops responding to anyone on the ground frequency and (correctly) prioritises the emergency aircraft as evidenced at the end of this clip when T2 says “I was trying to call you on ground” and she responds with “No I was kinda busy”
@@spudeeelad Kyle, In a control tower, two positions have duties requiring radio communications, Local control and ground control. Local control communicates with any aircraft airborne or on the rwy or taxiway. Ground control communicates with all aircraft on taxiways or on the ramp. and vehicles requesting to enter the taxiway and often with permission the runway. Tower or ground do not speak to baggage trucks, fuel trucks garbage trucks etc. All operations within the parking ramp is the responsibility of the airline or carrier. The responsibility changes to ground once the vehicle or aircraft enters the taxiway. The Local control and Ground control positions may be combined, as noted T2, possibly fire dept. vehicle called her on ground for update on the inbound emergency. So, if at O140 hours in the morning, there is a frenzy of potential aircraft movement, those positions should not have been combined, and adequate manning for that shift provided.
Either way, regardless of who controls what--it's very tense yo listen to human beings facing unknown outcomes, even if you're the bystander....well done to the pilots, the ATC, Coast Guard, First Responders and all who hand a hand in this. It's teamwork, hopefully built on experience and compassion. Well done, I say!
Wishing the pilots, and ATC, a full and healthy recovery
A hearty Well Done to the Coast Guard!!
She made me feel calm and supported the whole video.
Best one I've ever heard so far.
Good job to all of them involved.
Glad to hear both pilots survive!
I like when she told the other airport that she " was kinda busy "
I'd say so !!
That was likely fire rescue on the ground at Honolulu. She advised the pilots the other airport might have pilot-controlled lighting - which either means no tower or tower was off hours.
And that kids, is why “mayday” should be used in an emergency.
Us pilots: what's that word?
(Joke)
Declaring an emergency is also proper
0:46. Yes I agree though.
And going for the airport/land instead of wandering around 15 miles from shore losing altitude... with shark infested waters. Glad they are safe. I'm sure it was terrifying the last few minutes.
They were following procedures for one engine loss
Situations like this are especially chilling when the pilot does everything right and stays calm, and still they're in danger.
They didn’t do everything right tho
Turning off a working engine is far from doing everything right.
They still had one good engine, they misidentified the failed one.
WOW, you can really hear the stress in their voices when things start getting real.
I'm so thankful the pilots survived!
That's scary! Very glad they survived. Thanks to ATC for scrambling the CG as fast as they did or it might not have turned out so well.
yes, they all survived the ditching, just like the one in New York City on the Hudson.
@@dabneyoffermein595 that one is burned into my my brain permamently, shudder!
@@dabneyoffermein595 I wonder how the plane ended up? was it as good of condition as the Hudson's ?
The CG may be on the call list, so they are notified immediately along with the Rescue, medical etc.,. If not , then a call is made. Appears, the pilot
asked the tower to call CG.
@@PrograError sank
Thanks for putting that Both Pilots Were Rescued at the end. I was so relieved to see that. Great job by the pilots and ATC. Incredible professionalism.
A “mayday, mayday, mayday” call sets everything up. There was none made that resulted in so many useless communications (verifying if the coast guard had been informed and the fire engines are on the runway: the call sets all kinds of assistance right away-an automatic initiative of ATC after receiving a distress call), especially when the PF (pilot flying) calls for the needed checklist and an immediate vector toward the closest runway become an utmost priority and urgency. Glad everyone survived!
Before every weekend private pilot and flight simmer comments "jEeZe lAdY qUit StEpPiNg On ThEm" you need to realize that online sources we listen to are taken from many different transceivers to gather a "picture" whereas she has one. For all she heard, they quit transmitting. Either because they were too low, transmitting antenna blocked, or the myriad of other frequencies she was covering on nightshift. Both did excellent jobs and don't need to be armchair quarterbacked.
Receivers used by live ATC are usually lower grade or amateur quality equipment hoisted on rooftops of volunteer houses, nothing like the gigantic professional equipment used by actual ATC and airports. It’s usually the case where what the controller and aircraft hears are FAR superior to what is recorded on live ATC.
@@Bahistapoakoeh that's not always the case. Radios are line-of-sight. Quality can't beat basic electromagnetic principles. A piece of wire strung in a tree will do just as good as a $1,000 one. I've talked across the world on 10 watts sent through a lightbulb coil. Likewise, One receiver atop a tower isn't going to be as good as 10-20 amateur antennas scattered across the islands converging the signal into digital audio for us to hear. It doesn't matter how expensive ATC's antenna is- if my aircraft is in a bank and blanking the transmitting antenna- there is a chance won't hear it. I have to relay transmissions several times a week. AM radio is not without fault.
I've had many instances where I've had to turn 90 degrees or even once, do a complete 360 to regain radio contact because of the antenna placement on my aircraft. Keep in mind this 737 is very old compared to the rest of the fleet. I also fly cargo for a living and I've had a
@@alexmelia8873 I mean, you're really simplifying a bit. With money you can definitely produce a much better antenna than with less money. So you're just wrong.
"No, I was kinda busy" says it all.
Kudos to the main pilot communicating with the tower. I am disbelief how calm he remained while essentially knowing he was going to ditch in the ocean!
As a former ATC Trainee I can tell you this was really hard to hear I even wanted to cry... I cant even imagine how would this ATC have felt
Considering the ATC was partially to blame, pretty bad I guess
So happy they got rescued. My god this was tense. The poor traffic controller you could feel her voice shivering but she tried to get them back as hard as she could. Well done to everyone involved.
it's always so chilling when the pilot stops responding to the tower
It's also chilling when the tower won't shut up!
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 The more chilling aspect here is a pilot failing to use mayday mayday mayday in such a serious situation that he was aware was worsening (if you are to believe his own words "oh, that's not good" followed by a ditching.
@No Drama Lama Not an armchair pilot like you stfu. And yes I have dealt with some professional controllers and some chatter-mouths like this one.
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 Tower did exactly what was required here, no more no less. Yes they shouldn't overload pilots who are dealing with an emergency, but these two weren't exactly being forthcoming with the information she required. It takes less time to tell her the POB that it does to say we'll get back to you...... they also never officially declared an emergency in the correct manner. They also spent far too long trying to work the problem in the cockpit, they needed to get the aircraft on the ground instead of getting out to fifteen miles away and losing visual with the field. Would love to hear the CVR transcript of this........
@@sophiejaysstuff4026 nah bro. You're an armchair pilot, stfu.
Super timely video / report. Thank you. That is an old bird with 45+ years in service. So glad the crew survived.
Soo calm and professional, glad they survived . I Hope with no lasting health problems.
You can really feel the stress in the tower controller's voice. Reminds me a lot of the stress during Sully (though with less blocked calls).
There is an explanation saying the plane maybe close to out of range, hence the controller thought they finished transmission. The recording is recorded from 3rd party and may have better reception than the tower.
Sully was a fake story
@@larryfanatic1365 eh?
Yes! I knew you'd have this up quickly. Thank you!
You bet!
@@VASAviation you and Blancorilio always have us covered, thanks!
@@MarieInnes Juan brown beat him this time.
@@carschmn Yeah I know, just saying they’re both so dependable.
Both pilots survived. That's the best news you can hear. Good job to the ATC, pilots, CG and everyone else involved.
I always find these RUclips Channels at midnight and then wanting to watch all of em haha! Nice, subscribed!
I'm very impressed with everyone's composure in such a potentially deadly situation.
I'm not. Both ATC and pilots chucked away vital time faffing around. Give the aircraft VECTORS to land IMMEDIATELY - nothing else matters. As for the pilots - what the hell were they doing "checklists" for while flying AWAY from the airport? You can do the check lists while HEADING TO the airport. The aircraft and situation was easily saveable. Both ATC and pilots wasted huge amounts of valuable time.
@@fingerhorn4 well, except for the fact that engine failure is rare and double engine failure is extremely rare, so running the checklist after losing one engine is the correct procedure.
I'm not either, but being a professional pilot doing checklist after an engine failure is a normal procedure. Loosing one engine is NOT life threatening, otherwise aircraft with 2 engines would NOT be allowed to fly people of the public for money. Anyhow, communication from the start was quite unclear, botg from ATC and the crew. These situations are always tricky, an actual engine failure always causes a startle effect and it takes a while for the brain to switch in 'emergency management mode'. They should have at least declared a PAN PAN situation (urgency) with ATC those. Because they didn't was the cause for ATC to be a little slow as well. As for what happened in the cockpit and the timing of events, please leave this to professionals who have all the data at hand. Nobody can say they would have done better or faster. They both lived. The coast guard did a great job. Who cares about an airplane? Even it being a beautiful classic 737-200. Love them.
@@pimacanyon6208 The only issue i have with this is, the pilots were questioning the second engine.
@@FonWin agreed. yes, once they started seeing signs that the second engine was not functioning properly, at that point they should have made a bee line back to the airport.
Awesome job getting this to us so quickly, VAS! Much appreciated. Kudos to the USCG for getting both pilots out of the water at night with NVG.
I absolutely love it when people make the call as soon as they have enough information
The first words are actually "Rhoades 810, we have an emergency, stand-by. We're gonna need 220 on the heading." NOT "We'll have to return, stand-by."
One of the pilots has been sent to the hospital in critical conditions and the other had a head injury and several lacerations
Hopefully they both will recover immediately
Both are out of ICU.
According to the USCG interview, the pilot was injured, exhausted, barely staying afloat and would have drown if they had been just seconds later in finding them.
7:06 Probably the first time T2 wished he was amphibious.
Glad both pilots were rescued! Ditching at night must be extremely terrifying.
What is T2? ARFF?
@@iwonderwhatidoanymoreonyou4063 fire truck I believe
@@danielkenweisu4682 yeah. i’m used to the callsigns being “FIRE 1” and all that
@@danielkenweisu4682 thank you for your answer
"Proceed on taxiway bravo to the searamp then proceed to the incident site, give way to the container freighter to your right..."
I started listening to a few of these commercial airline pilot emergencies recently. consistently amazed how calm and professional the pilots and towers are. Makes one feel better more confident about how you are in good hands when you fly.
A great part of the training is to remain calm. If you panic, you make mistakes and if you make mistakes, your chance of survival rapidly drops.
What a pain at the start, two planes with nearly identical call signs. Everyone talking over everyone. And Rhodes 809 mumbling incoherently. Cripes
Imagine a 3rd plane approaching? Seems flawed they have an engine loss and go far out circling around while 809 clears to land. They should have landed right away.
Keep in mind this was the middle of the night. For some reason there's only one traffic controller on duty then and she had to monitor multiple channels. Two controllers would allow one to take on the emergency and the other to handle all the other traffic. She did well under those circumstances. The basic problem was the two pilots were idiots, continuing to fly out to sea.
@@Inkling777 Agreed,they weren't Even listening to her!!
Mumbling incoherently? Odd she heard him perfectly fine.
Clean the wax out of your ears
Amazing as busy as she was and other then a couple times steeping on each other no panic or loss of focus in her voice. Grateful the pilots were able to be rescued.
Also, kudos to the controller, the moment the "EM" appeared (transponder 7700), she grasps the situation instantly, corrects herself, clears 810 to land without missing a beat.
The ATC was the only one stepping on radio transmissions, save for the pilot doing it 1 or 2 times whilst dealing with a life & death emergency onboard. ATC was the problem in this situation. FIRED!!!
@@SteveKasian At times deficient and seemingly inexperienced, yes, but to ask that she be fired… I don’t think so. She didn’t “do” anything that contributed to them hitting the water.
@@KennethAGrimm this is a simulated replay, i doubt the pilots squawked 7700 and I doubt she put them in an EM status on the scope.
@@atcdude067 The VASAviation displays are generated from downloads of actual recorded ATC transponder data as recorded by the FAA. I have designed ATC display equipment for the FAA while at Allied Signal; the display changes from the transponder code (or translated flight number) to "EM" automatically the moment the 7700 is received. This change is automated, it is not done by the controller. Any delay is the delay on the part of the pilot.
Wow this happened earlier this morning. Interesting to hear.
I'm just so glad they survived. I was feeling heavy when I heard the distress in the ATC's last calls and when she was talking to the ground transport,
Wow! It's really chilling when they stop responding. Glad they were both rescued.
Wow, they were jumping all over each other on the radio
Ya I was gonna say that tower operator needs to chillax. She was stepping all over them...
@@billwilliams7970 She was operating APP, DEP, GND, and TWR all at the same time... wow
@@KaneYork
That's not an excuse she can clearly hear the pilots let them finish what they have to say first ffs!!
@@mosd3545 thank you! ESPECIALLY when someone is in distress. She actually missed at least one call where the pilots declared an emergency.
This has long been a debate….one person working the tower at off-peak hours. Emergencies are rare and when they happen you wish they had more help. If the pilots would have used mayday X3 she would have heard.
If he say Maday maday maday at the begin nobody will have a dude that there was an emergency in progress. Glad everybody is safe
Admirable. I would never be able to control my voice like that. I love when she says they are clear to land on any runway. Outstanding.
You would be, trust me. When facing choices of (1) panic and probably die or (2) remain calm, do your best and you will maybe live... A student with his instructor entered a flat spin at my local airfield, at approx. 1800 feet. That particular plane was known to be very hard to pull out of flat spin. I was some 10 miles away, soaring. As my battery died, so did my radio so I was unaware of what was going on. People on the airfield heard the roaring to the engine, max throttle, min throttle, max, min, as the plane was falling. The crew managed to regain the control at well below 150 feet, under one second to impact. They safely landed about a minute or two later and parked the plane. THEN the panic kicked in so they had to run into the cornfield and... well, you know. What happened after the safe landing does not matter at all, they survived with only psychological trauma.
All of you, the pilots and the Tower, perfectly did your job :-) Congratulations !
6:55 She's trying to keep her composure because she already knows what's going to happen. Kudos to her and prayers for the pilots.
those prayers really helped...not
Excellent Victor!!
Your was also bloncho!
I've gotta checkout your coverage of this. Btw, Blanco Dilerios is a great band name! 🎶
Did you get the vector, Victor..?
Roger, Roger.
@@jmk5638 Does Clarence have the Clearance?
Excellent job, ATC and Pilots. Glad all safe
There's film footage of a Pan Am Clipper ditching somewhere in the 1950s.
Incredibly, even though the plane broke in half, all passengers and crew survived.
lost?
@@lurac5710 No, how else would they have filmed it? The plane was leaking fuel or something so they knew they wouldn't reach their final destiny.
So they decided to ditch near a US Navy vessel who then brought all the passengers safely onboard,
@@AudieHolland No I was making joke, the plane split in half- like the show LOST.
@@lurac5710 Ah. I never watched that show :-p
This was a flight from Honolulu to San Francisco and it had passed the point of no return and had no possibility of reaching any land, thus the forced ditching.
Pilots, ATC, Coast guard, they all did a great job. Appreciate it.
Another takeaway for me is the requirement for a pause before pushing the PTT. The ATC, and pilots 'stepped' on each other far too often. Multiple frequencies or not (another of my favourite ATC irritations, not their fault, normally staffing/hours of service issues I know), there were only two aircraft in the airspace? A bit of a pause is needed before pushing the button.
I didn't like how she jumped in with a heading suggestion before the pilot finished his transmission and what she stepped on was him saying "and we might lose the second engine too". She may have given him the kalaeloa option sooner if she heard it...
Yes. She missed a couple very important transmissions from 810 by stepping on them before he finished talking. Secondly, they should’ve turned towards the field considerably sooner with the other engine going sour. Thirdly she should’ve offered the other airport as an option much sooner. Mistakes made on both parties. Time wasted
@@erikasells7504 810's initial radio operator's lackadaisical transmission style definitely did not help factors at all either. You could hear at several times when the other pilot steps in on the radios and the transmission clarity and rapidity increases dramatically. Good on the crew for ditching successfully but 'clear and concise' is not how I would describe the primary talker
Radio has a solution for this which some HAM operators are familiar... they can transmit on one frequency and receive on a slightly different frequency. Sadly, the aviation industry hasn't deployed this very old tech capability.
That's why when I was in the military we always used the magic word: "over" !!
Good video! Amazing that Both pilots were rescued. Great Job to controller too!
I am so beyond impressed with how they kept their cool... wow. This was incredible to listen to..