Pilots Significantly Deviates from Instructed departure route. Real ATC Audio
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Date: March 29, 2024.
Location: Minneapolis-St Paul International/Wold-Chamberlain Airport (KMSP/MSP)
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Anyone else was waiting for "let me know when your ready to take down a number"?
She couldn’t get three numbers right. Imagine giving her ten.
This is truly bizarre. You would fail a basic Instrument rating checkride in a Cessna doing this.....
That’s true but it also happens at a snails pace in a Cessna and you’re hand flying
@@stephenleemd123 To be fair its all relative. Task saturation can still be pretty high when youre hand flying a 172 ifr with nothing but steam gauges, just like it probably is flying in the airlines with more complex systems, faster planes, etc. Even with an autopilot
@@TheGoomba102IsOnRUclips no fooking excuse for 2 commercial pilots nor being able to select heading select 105 and activate ffs... she repeated the instruction several times....must have been blowing the captain
Very bizarre. I’d think they’d use the mag compass if it has one. Scary to think this is a part 121 operation. Well at least she held wings level. Aviate, navigate communicate.
Yet she is flying a crj
Someone entered 005, and never looked down 😂
Completely agree with your assessment. Zero situational awareness.
@@Francois8011 nope, they went well past north….
@@willer3399more like 305!
Legend has it teh ATC is still telling Endeavor 5002 that the heading is 105
As they continue to fly endless right turns
Legend has it that Mel Gibson is the owner of Endeavor Airlines :)
Joke is so played out
Legend has it they continued northbound and went around the world.
"Did they ever return, no they never returned, and their fate is still unknown..." :)
I swear that was the captain’s kid in the right seat.
IKR?!? She sounds like she’s almost 12 years old. And unless there is a serious malfunction with that airplane, she and the other pilot fly like they’re almost 12 too.
That ATC is a class act, really refreshing to hear someone with empathy and not copping a sassy attitude.
Imagine this out of JFK 💀
It has absolutely nothing to do with empathy, but absolutely avoiding a collision. this isn’t about your feelings. This is about doing things correctly and avoided a tragedy.
But if he gives the pretty sounding sweet little lady a hall pass on multiple major “possible” pilot deviations over a city, he damn well better be as kind to the next 10 guys that pull something like this. 10:1 are also the odds that he won’t.
@@RetreadPhoto she's not the pilot who is deviating though. There is someone else, likely in the left (captain's seat) flying the plane. She's the pilot monitoring and should be picking up the issue too, but there are two people making mistakes here.
@@ChrisCooper312 if she ain’t communicating, she’s as much at fault as anyone. Anyone that sits there and keeps blindly repeating, “you betcha, we’re on it, cheerio” while the plane goes in the wrong direction, and she acts like everything is fine, I’m not cutting her a second of slack. No way controller would have treated a man like this.
5002 never obeyed with a single instruction post takeoff. Everything ok and we are turning, and then continue North? WTF was that?
ATC: "Is your instructor with you?"
@@parti-gyle6466 ATC wouldn't say something unprofessional like this, as they know this is a commercial flight with two pilots, and that the other pilot will be flying the plane.
Yank their licenses absolutely unacceptable. That’s how you get people killed. Surprised no flight deviation was called.
@@ChrisCooper312 Don’t be dense, it’s a joke dickhead
@@ChrisCooper312 So, what happened then?
Wow, this was bizzare. Soundsd more like a student pilot on their first X country in a 172. 🤔
Not ready to solo yet. Not even close.
Legend has it no one over the age of 10 was in the cockpit.
Wow, That is a real head scratcher. In a post 9/11 world, that type of navigational error can cause a lot of trouble. ATC did not seem too upset. They must be nicer in MN. Don't try that with NY ATC.
Minnesota Nice.😊
Is that because of the 6 airports within a few miles of each other and no time for ignorance like that?
Amazing no number was given for a possible pilot deviation.
It's not always about smacking down someone. Too many of these controllers want to have a trial right there on the radio, with them as prosecutor, judge, and jury - all while their feet are safely planted on the ground.
@@19Borneo67 That’s why there’s an ASAP program. No judgement can take place when you self report.
@@19Borneo67 You have to admit, she wasn't even close to 105.
Guaranteed they still reported it.
@@robertprivate742
That’s not always true. There are several times when self report won’t save you.
She seemed oblivious, but why didn't ATC ask her what the indicated heading was in order to cross check?
Yeah there was a lot of hints of “The heading is.. hey if you’re having problems…” which should have been acknowledged by the pilot. But when that didn’t happen it seems surprising there wasn’t an explicit “we need you to follow the directed heading 105 and you have not been doing so, please advise reason” call.
Agreed. After noticing she was still not turning, ATC should have asked her, "5002, what does your instrument say is indicated heading? Confirm it says 105 please."
"She" was handling the radios. Someone else was flying the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 She still has instruments and can cross-check them. Very odd...
@@chrisschack9716 oh yes, she's not innocent. It's just the way some people are talking it's like this is a single pilot light aircraft where she is the one solely responsible for flying it. She's not, and there is someone else sitting, likely in the left seat, flying the plane and hearing all the radio communications.
I am amazed that she did not get a number
Diversity privileges
Same I was Just waiting but it never came.
She could diverse right into the path of another aircraft. The hell with quotas and forced inclusion. Work for the qualifications and get the job on merit and appropriate training skills.
It probably came on a later frequency or she got a call from her company later to file a report with their safety reporting program.
Nice to have female privilege huh?
It's possible that they were having "equipment issues", but I doubt it. If I'm flying a given heading and the controller is still telling me to turn to that heading then I'm going to immediately tell him "already showing that heading on my end" and we're both going to know there's an issue. The most annoying part is that she just kept right on parroting the heading back to tower but literally not making any attempt to turn or cross check the current shown heading. She also struggled to remember her own call sign on almost every call which tells me she was likely pretty behind the plane.
Frustrating to watch, but good job on controllers to try to help. In other parts of the country, I suspect they'd have been given a phone number.
Love the visuals, really well done.
Thank you for watching!
Looks like the pilots got cold feet and left Heading 105 all alone at the altar.
What a bizarre case. You can bet that ZMP TMU called their ops about this... I'm sure she not only had to call ATC but likely call the Chief Pilot after that flight. Honestly would be surprised if she didn't put back in the right seat.
I flew the Crj for 10 years. The AHRS system was wonky, so I’m willing to bet this was an instrument issue they couldn’t figure out. But the whole thing seems bizarre.
Isn’t it their moral obligation to say as much over communications? Those are multiple SERIOUS deviations with no explanation. I’d honestly suspect they were sneaking in a quickie. Post-9/11 this type of flying raises eyebrows.
@@RetreadPhoto Exactly. There's nothing wrong with admitting an issue, even a PAN PAN call.
Is the CRJ not equipped with a compass?
they should have a backup instrument, right? there’s no excuse for those crj pilots..
Compass error or not, no clue where effing east is?
The audacity to say “everything’s normal” at the end…
It's actually "everything's back to normal", if you listen closely. Implying there was some sort of systems issue.
She was obviously a newer FO and dealing with a captain that upgraded too quickly.
Would be interesting to know if they put the 'right' parallel runway in as the departure profile instead of the' left' which they actually departed on. This has happened multiple times before and will happen again. The FMC and INS align on the programmed departure runway point when take off thrust is applied which would give you instrument errors initially after take off (immediate right turn after take off to intercept the 'right' runway departure course) . Once airborne a combination of DME/DME, VOR/VOR cross checking would slowly resolve the ambiguity.
Just a theory!
The pilots most likely loaded some procedure and it was activated. Autopilot instead of flying the plane.
A simple heading is the most basic direction ATC can issue. To get that wrong over and over and never say a word should get her fired immediately.
Yeah whatever.
Except she would not have been pilot flying.
Every airplane has a magnetic compass for just this situation. If ATC keeps "reminding" you of your assigned heading (or altitude, or airspeed, or baro setting, etc) you are likely screwing the pooch and need to step back and take a look at what you are doing.
Recovering from disorientation is not always easy. The controller could have pointed out their actual heading in numbers to help them snap out of it or see if there was an equipment problem.
@@19Borneo67 If you're flying a regional jet there is no excuse
What the hell!!!! They never did get on the right bearing even after they acknowledged their instructions. Hopefully both of those that were in the front up there are sent back to remedial training.......
Are you still having your classes in your basement next to the dryer?
@@RLTtizMEFound the pilot.
Bad driving AND flying.. shocked here.
This why I won’t fly anymore, you don’t get to pick your pilots 😳
Tower was VERY patient with them :D
Departure control, not tower.
incredibly poor CRM
Where's that phone number?!
I can guarantee you although it’s not a FOQA call, Endeavor called the crew themselves on this one, And probs the FAA was involved. I’ve gotten an FAA call without the phone number.
Doesn’t matter, they wouldn’t get it right anywho.
At the start it looks like they were going to 150 and didn't notice they were making a right turn when it should have been left. After that maybe they didn't understand they were being given a heading, and instead thought they were supposed to turn left 105, and again got confused and put in 150. She even asks to confirm (without saying her callsign) 105, as though she thought they were on 105. Then at some point it seems they were so confused they could answer the radio calls. Love to know what was happening.
Any theory as to what was going on there? Instrument failure? I was waiting for the tower to ask her what her current heading was.
Probably not in the right autopilot mode, so turning the heading bug to 105, but that’s not doing anything because they’re not in HDG mode. They seem to get on course when they got direct SNINE, so my guess is is they were following something in the FMS, instead of HDG, coupled with poor situational awareness.
diversity
I can't imagine this, but the ONLY thing that I can think of is that they were in the wrong lateral navigation mode. This is the issue with being too heavily dependent on automation. My *guess* is that they were in LNAV (GPS based) navigation instead of HDG (Heading) and neither the PF nor the PNF caught it (which would be remarkable). At this stage of the game, they should both be well aware of how to fly a heading by now so .. I'm not sure what the heck happened there.
Your stupidity, more like.
Her seeming oblivious to the situation could also be the result of instructors teaching her (them) - “NEVER admit anything on the radio!”. But that kinda thing can be taken to the extreme which results in her answering every radio call as if the world is beautiful and absolutely nothing is wrong.
Be pragmatic…..don’t volunteer stuff that you don’t need to on the freq. but come on, speak up if there’s a problem. ATC will help. They aren’t monsters.
HOLY SHIT DUDE --- This is what you get when you hire ATP robot students as your Capt & FOs for 60K a year. Never seen 121 perform like this in 35 years
What is ATP?
Exactly
@@ComixMultiplication ATP is a greedy corporation of schools that prey on young students desire to complete training immediately. They charge 4X the real cost of training & rush people through flight training as fast as is permitted. They graduate people who have only memorized information, but understand very little. We call them "paper pilots" because they only look good on paper....til you put them in the plane.
Why that plane was allowed to continue there flight is a mystery! Can’t allow planes flying through the NAS that don’t know which direction they are going.
The whole company is a DEI joke.
Making a mistake by setting heading 010 or 005 is okay ( everyone makes mistake), but it is not okay that she did not make correction as instructed again and again.
The instructions were bad. After they overshot the turn, they controller should have helped shake out the cobwebs.
I was waiting for, "Endeavor 5002, possible pilot deviation..." They were SO far off course I'm amazed they didn't get violated.
They don’t need to give you a number to report you. They filed a report for sure.
If it was my voice on the radio I would have been violated immediately with a number to call
Another ATP FLIGHT SCHOOL grad! Just wait….
Considering that that runway used is already oriented at 120 this should be a short left turn to get on assigned heading 105. Pilot needs to check instruments but common sense and pre take off brief should tell you that turning right after take off will take away from your assigned heading. From there she was so confused .........
They told her turn left initially and then to turn right with the same heading.
Do people not know that shes Pilot Monitoring? Like there is another pilot who is not making the radio calls who is not doing the turn. Stop saying its just her
And given that she does sound pretty young and maybe even inexperienced, it's safe to say that there is someone senior to her sitting in the left seat, and actually flying the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 Even an inexperienced pilot should know how to properly read the heading.
@@UnrealNarcissist I mean maybe? but maybe we should be focusing on the person who didnt turn the airplane. Id rather someone fuck up the radio call but we nail the 105 heading haha
@@MatthewRobinson-n1c it’s not just her but really she is incompetent not monitoring
They were both incompetent here. Most likely a captain that upgraded too early flying with a newer first officer. Happens all then time. Been in the industry for almost 30 years.
That wasn’t normal…. Maybe 005 was confused with 105…. Holy heck
I've checked and this flight usually departed 30R back in March. Would be interesting to know if 12L was a last minute change that day.
They couldn't change the heading because they were probably following the FMS route clearance and were not in HDG mode.
No earthly valid excuse or cover for that chitchow
@@RetreadPhoto What are talking about and what do excuses have to do with my comment?
Ridiculous
Well, then put it in heading mode!!!!!
Nothing you said makes sense, just FYI. Not in the sense that I don’t understand what you mean, but that it’s not how an aircraft FMC works. Doesn’t matter what runway was used in previous flights, that has no bearing on this specific day. Doesn’t matter if they gave them a different heading/departure, that’s a simple fix that wouldn’t explain all this. Stick with the flightsim, learn more, comment less. You’re just going to confuse people who aren’t familiar (including yourself)
As a certified pilot, I can tell you that the reason is that someone did not put their phone in airplane mode.
Hahaha! 🏆👍
Lol!!
Airplane mode is a diversion so other nation states waste their time trying to figure out how to utilize it against us. Just keeps their resources tied up from doing other things that would work.
Interesting all the comments about how bad of a pilot she is...typically, pilot monitoring will be on the radio, while PIC flies the aircraft, however, it would help explain task overload if she was both PIC and on the radio, in which case shame on the pilot monitoring for not helping out. Hard to know without being in the cockpit. Obvi some serious confusion with what the airplane was doing vs instructions from ATC given she readback the heading a couple times before asking to verify. Appreciate the comment about the controller needing to verify indicated heading with the pilot, would have helped clear up some confusion. Either way, good job on the controller to maintain separation with approaching aircraft in a busy airspace and thankful everyone kept a cool head.
You are correct. Two pilots had to mess up in order for this to happen. The pilot on the radio is almost certainly the PM, while the other pilot is flying. The only time the pilot flying handles the radio is during an emergency when the PM runs the appropriate emergency checklist. If there was something wrong with their instruments, they should have said as much. My mind is boggled as to how this happened.
poor CRM, poor knowledge of aircraft instruments, poor knowledge of aircraft system
they are lucky that the airport is not surrounded by mountains and/or they are not in a non-English speaking country.
The pilot in command is hired using the same DEI qualifications as the ignorant copilot. Neither had a clue. Dumb and dumber.
Ding....EFIS COMP MON. 😆 But for real, they messed up
Burbank, the VNY departure coming off of 15 is the worst for that. ....still, I don't think we've ever been that far off.
Geez. I wonder if she can find her car in the parking lot. Or maybe Mommy dropped her off.
Pilots need to get ESL before CPL
It didn’t help that (at least looking at the track data) the second time they were told “Left heading 105” they were already through 090 and in a left turn. That only adds to confusion and disorientation. Probably why a subsequent call from the fee was “confirm LEFT 105”, because they would have been thinking ‘that’s a full orbit over the field and they didn’t say anything about that’. Hence the double check.
There may have been nothing wrong other than an initial minor mistake to the right after departure, a misunderstanding of a 005 heading, then through 105 when told ‘left 105’.
These things happen. Reports are (or should be) filed, and it’s looked into by both parties to better understand the events.
No big deal. Calmly handled by ATC. No conflict. Just a couple of errors on both parts.
That's what I thought, but the video is clearly off based on the conversation. 105 was never left of their heading, and wheen he showed them going north, they were going northeast. I think bad editing.
Absolutely! Basic human factors understanding says to me that you don't tell someone to turn after they've overshot their turn! You need to tell them point blank that they turned too far, they're off heading, and to turn back, turn right to 105. That might have cleared the cobwebs and got them back on track. Why does everyone want them to give them a phone number - that's not really the point of all this, right?
Endevor 5000....two? its like shes unsure of the callsign?
The Endeavor bring your kid to work day.
Why no "we have a phone number" for obvious departure SID deviation?
Someone's EFIS COMP MON was EFIS COMP MON-ing
If that was a 172, you'd have gotten a number after the 12th time ATC told you to turn 105. I really feel like she had 005 on her mind. I did this once in class C so I can't judge. ATC caught it pretty quick and got me straight, so who am I to criticize.
Wow so so weird that the controllers never asked why they were not following instructions and just guessed they had
a problem . On the other side is good to see how chill they are. In Europe for something like this controllers would have been totally freaked out , in Germany for example .. anyway they really should have given a phone number to understand why the pilots acknowledged the instructions without following them ..
Those Germans are freaky anyway...as we all know.
CRJ searching for Malaysia 370.
If I didn’t know any better, I thought I was watching a VATSIM pilot
ATC figued she was too cute for a phone number to call for pilotvdevoation. After they curcled the globe eventually got on a 105° heading! Yikes!
She wasn’t flying……
I think they wanted her to turn to heading 105....he should have repeated it for her again...god help us all
LOL
There was a complete lack of communication in that cockpit. I have a 20 spot that says the PF was pulling a “big swinging dich” moment. I’d love to read that ASAP report.
There's a whiskey compass in this thing. Just the most bizarre conduct I have seen in a while. They have to make a slight leftward adjustment of their course after takeoff and instead they turn all the way around to North and it looked like they were going to make a left turn all the way around 300° to their assigned heading. Just crazy.
Well that's your big problem right there. There's no man in charge of that plane.
where the fuck is the captain.... and if she is the captain.... yeah.... no... end DEI for pilots, qualified is qualified...
Yes. A typical DEI hire by an airline incapable of hiring on merit.
Cockpit conversation just prior to take off: "I'll bet you $100 I can fly over my grandma's house and won't get in trouble for it...TeeHee!!"
MSP controllers are awesome but when the controller saw the plane on a steady track that obviously wasn't as assigned, I was surprised he didn't ask "What is your heading right now?"
What was the final outcome?
Was it an equipment malfunction?
Does anybody know why this happened?
I live right by MSP but she didn’t overfly my place as she went the opposite direction.
Watched this video twice now. And my blood pressure is at edge case.
Hearing this chick reading back the ATC commands relaxed as one can be and
flying the plane elsewhere ! If I was the controller , I really immediately wanted to know
what heading their instruments show !! What if they were climbing above 7000 ?
Critical situation when ATC only can guess what's next.
If this gets your blood pressure out of control then you need to have your medical certificate revoked.
Sad that the controller basically let this mess go on. Mid air collisions result from incompetent pilots like this.
Somebody was not doing the basics, and it definitely wasn't tower.
Wtf 🤦♂️. 5002 pilot validating the stereotype
A DEI hire.
The whole company will be full of DEI hires like the two in this cockpit. Dumb and dumber lead by incompetent.
The voice is wrong, but I swear that must be my wife!
Shes flying 1:05 on an analog clock.
How was she allowed to keep ignoring the turn command without being told to call the number?
The point is to prevent disaster, not to have a trial for every speeding ticket.
In all fairness to Envoy 5002, it was being your daughter to work day. She thought 105 was the heading on her watch.
Probably an Embry Riddle graduate
ERAU was more than you could afford, right?
She said, "I think its back to normal". Could have been a legit issue.
If it were a legit issue, then they were required to let ATC know.
@@jsmith1746 It can be a legit issue without them knowing it's a legit issue yet. If you're disoriented and/or are getting conflicting information then it's not always easy to figure out what reality is. It happens. Go play flight simulator for 40 hours this week and see how many times it happens to you.
So if she is on the radio who was operating the autopilot?
Why not declare an emergency for her and vector her back for a landing? There is either something drastically wrong with her instruments, or she has no business flying a commercial jet.
I don’t think adding more vectors would help here. They could barely handle one. 😆
"she" isn't flying the plane. Someone else is in the cockpit, listening to the radio and controlling the plane.
@@ChrisCooper312 Definitely true, Chris. However this video shoes that there are not one but "two" incompetent pilots who are not excercising good crew resource management. She can still verify that the pilot flying is inputting the correct headings.
@@BrianMonette I know that, but the first posters use of "her" and "she" suggests that she is the only one at fault, when in fact there is another person flying the plane who is also at fault here. In this case the use of "they" and "them" would not be "woke" but factual.
@@ChrisCooper312 If you are more worried about pronouns than a commercial airliner completely deviating from ATC instructions, then you are an awesome example of what is wrong with this world.
Endeavor 5002 seemed to be working on her instrument rating !
I thought reading a compass was a basic skill needed for aviation!
The number of armchair airline pilots commenting on this who don't understand something as simple as the concept that the pilot flying isn't the one on the radios is hilarious.
Somehow, you all are qualified to chalk this up to hiring practices all while you aren't educated enough to understand some of the most basic concepts of CRM in the industry.
It's a bunch of misogynistic creeps, you can just see the insecurities of their manhood screaming in the ridiculousness of their comments. This coming from a 50 year old white male, who has been in this business for 30 years.
U TV mad bro?
If it was CRM you dumb shit, they would’ve made the correction. Go back to flying on Microsoft flight simulator
Legend has it that she's still trying to fly the correct heading of 105.
There is a little moving dial called compass and also that bright shiny thing that rises in the East and sets in the West - 105 is nearly due east!! (or 90)... SMH
Most planes still have a true compass in them. how do folks not know that 105 is a bit south of due east? Also why women shouldn't fly, be USSS agents, cops....
🔀🔄🔃🔁⏬⬆️⬇️↔️... All good here, Endeavor 5002 🤪
Outright incompetence from Endeavor 5002. At least they knew how to level out at 7,000’.
ATC: We're still waiting for you to turn proper heading. Also, your squawk code was 7295, not 7500
And people wonder why I don't want to fly anymore...
I have no proof but I also have no doubt that the first entry on the AP heading panel was HDG 150 and then tried to correct it instead of using 105 they put 050. 😅
Controller should have said fly EAST NOW….and then make some adjustments……plus a frequency change with an area code in front of it!
She poured vodka in her cereal that morning.
Geomagnetic storm caused IRSs to fail and magnetic compass to misread so they couldn't hold a heading?
Why no “I have a phone number for you to contact?”
Pilot deviations use to play no favorites.
“Following the Magenta line” flying…maybe….I’m clueless on this one. Never got close to HDG 105….kinda spooky.
OK, so I have no flight experience from either side, so I might knot know what I'm talking about.... Wouldn't it be normal for ATC to call out that the flight has not complied with instructions? They keep repeating the same instruction, and while some here feel that the pilots should take this as some sort of indication that something is wrong, I don't see that there should be a reliance on that. Probably there was pilot error and they thought they were flying 105, or an instrument error said they were on 105. In any case, confirmation bias probably comes into play here. Shouldn't ATC call them out on the incorrect heading explicitly?
Aircraft way ahead of flight crew. Need more sim time.
She didn't sound very confident
No way she is a real pilot......deviation has arrived
What sad is we have to fly with them as pilots.
If you take the autopilot out of the equation, is there any way to manually fly the plane & check the navigation? I have to imagine if ATC keeps telling you that you're way off, you'd want to some checks. I also agree that she sounded young and inexperienced. Her readbacks a) were sometimes wrong b) she didn't acknowledge anything such as "i notice you keep telling me i'm way off my course but my equipment is telling me i'm flying at a heading of 105"...(i'm just a fan of the channel, i'm not a pilot)
Yes of course we can manually fly the plane. But that wasn't needed here. They just needed to engage heading mode and select heading 105. Very simple.
The fact that she's the one speaking on the radio means she is NOT the one who was flying. The other pilot was flying. Nonetheless it's still her responsibility as the pilot monitoring to make sure that the pilot flying is following ATC's instructions. Both her and the pilot flying failed in this scenario.
They clearly didn't follow instructions while not giving a valid reason as to why they were unable to follow the clearance.
Yeah, every commercial jet has multiple compasses, and you can just turn. That’s what you’re a pilot for.
Yes! And every instrument rated pilot is trained to recognise and handle instrument failures. This was inexcusable!
So what happened here? Did they get a number? Did they go back to flight school? Something had to come of this.