"Sir, you are completely lost, aren't you?" Lost Pilot humiliated by controller. Real ATC Audio
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Same controller, same airport, another pilot: ruclips.net/video/fqZyFyvOihM/видео.html
Same airport, different controller.
This airport is NOTORIOUS for their controllers, the pilot was clearly behind their aircraft, the comms contributed to the escalating situation what a shit show.
Ya and the pilot was really well prepared too, but ya ATC didn't help
This is the kind of person that when they realize someone is struggling they will try to badger them. I've run across a lot of these people in my life. Also know as a jerk. Also it is fun to see bullies like this get roasted on the internet. Hope this guy sees all these great comments!
The controller is doing their job, you fing snowflake
Wow. This controller sucks. He told the pilot to enter a base when he was basically on an extended final. How to get to a base when you're on an extended centerline is very ambiguous.
Then he got this obviously inexperienced pilot flustered and he screwed up the taxi.
My same thinking. He was flying east to enter the base for 13. Should of been a straight in
Perfect post. I was thinking hard on how to join left base. I would have probably gone east to turn right onto left base which is kinda what the pilot was doing. Controller should do something else for a living
The pilot doesn't know what he's doing and can't obey instructions, but the controller is unprofessional. Yelling at the confused pilot will just make things worse and put unnecessary stress on him which can lead to even more confusion.
Agreed. Yes, the pilot had issues. The controller made it FAR worse than it needed to be by his extremely unprofessional attitude.
100% agree. That poor pilot, talk about piling on the stress. The Controller needs to experience how it feels when you're not sure, and how to help.
Controller is driving a desk. No threat of injury or worse if things go south. Pilot, not so much. Controller should have been shown the door after this, and barred from holding any safety sensitive position going forward.
It's a pilots jobs to obey ATC. Period.
@@TyVil Unless an emergency is declared, or the pilot tells the controller 'unable' to comply.
Another retired Controller here. The Controller should point out his error, provide assistance to correct, and then shut his mouth. There is no place for admonishment over the R/T.
Yeah, I really do not believe that air controller was being mean far from it he was trying to tell this guy where he needs to go doesn’t sound like the pilot knew what the hell he was doing . the controllers job is to make sure there is not an error it doesn’t sound like this pilot knew what he was doing .
I 100% agree, though I won't be as gentle. Also retired ATC here. This controller was going extract his pound of flash at all costs. He has zero discipline on keying his mike, constantly stepping on the pilot. Jerks like this breed pilots who avoid towers at all costs. I bet he used to be a policeman that was fired for over-zealousness and zero deescalation skills. I was waiting for "Cause I told to you!'.
I totally disagree with you. Did you not see the same video I did? That guy was all over the place, and he couldn't even follow instructions on the ground either. I don't blame the controller one bit here.
Let me tell you guys something, that pilot from what I can tell, is a foreign student at Flight Safety. He is probably part of their foreign pilot exchange program. The school takes contracts from airlines in the Middle East, and Asia, and this guy was more than likely one of them. These students all have 1 thing in common, their lack of command of the English language. It is a huge problem, and it's obvious to me that the language barrier was the problem here, NOT the controller.
@@CharlesCornettFL I'm not a pilot, but I have logged some hours as dual instruction. I can confidently say that I would have had a phone number after landing, and I would have had a one to one personal conversation eye to eye with this controller and his sup, along with the tape. If that didn't get the controller dismissed, I would have escalated to Washington FAA, and pursued it until the controller either expressed contrition, or was permanently barred from employment in any US government designated safety sensitive position.
@@briansmyla8696 while I like finding others that see my point, I disagree with the sentiment. You are advocating "cancelling" this guy, but he likely has no idea of how he was contributing to confusion and danger. I'm a big fan of *everyone" setting aside emotions, and talking later to cover the nuances. I think the controller had no idea of the basic misunderstanding. The pilot thought he was to fly a full pattern, but report on left base (IMHO). They could have made both pilot and controller contributors to safety, but instead, likely the opposite is true. CRM is what they need for sure.
Flew there a bunch, that controller isn’t hard to piss off.
Maybe he needs to find another, less stressful line of work.
Retraining for the controller needed without delay. What a prick.
as a student pilot, the only thing that controller did was make this poor pilots comms even worse. The anxiety and embarrasement alone would make it impossible to take any instructions.
maybe pack it in if you can't listen to clear instructions because the nasty man shouted at you 🙄
@listerofsmeg884 That is correct .You have to listen up ,read back correctly and do what they tell you to do ..If you do that the controller won't get pissed off at you .lf you can not do that ,then you do not belong in controlled airspace .It doesnt matter if you don't like the controllers tone about it when you decide to deviate from his instructions...this isn't some video game.
@@nightflight1454 I get you HAVE to listen, but this was just adding fuel to the fire with a clearly inexpirenced pilot. If you dont belong in a delta or charlie or a bravo....dont go to one, however everybody has to learn at some point. Controller needs to at least not make the situation worse than it already was.
I always was under the impression that controllers need a thick skin and be professional at all times. I guess I was wrong.
just like american police
That's the wrong takeaway. You heard one controller being an arse. There are others and they tend to perform better. Someone might pick up on this and retrain this controller.
I hope someone does have a talk with the controller about keeping his cool and being professional; berating someone the way he did could exacerbate a bad situation. On the other hand the pilot sounds as if he needs to undergo more training.
@@cheeseburger3072exactly, wait until he's on the ground and take it off frequency
@@MuffinCHeelerI hope you never have to teach a 16 to 18 year old high school student how to FLY an airplane. Heh. Some pick it up fast, others do not... A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world to me it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues.
Did anyone notice how the rattled and lost pilot managed to keep his cool and remain polite rsther than mouthing back? A bit more flight practice and this will be one of the better pilots out there.
He did a great job, to be honest. Good communication, worked with the controller, did his best, managed the airplane. I hope he goes commercial, and I hope the controller is fired.
Former controller here, that controller was way too harsh. I was never that rude to a single engined plane like that, most have few hours and are not that familiar with everything. I'm not making excuses for them, I was just more patient with them then say an airline pilot or a fighter jet.
Except, this pilot was messing up on basic instructions. “Left base for runway 13 is one of the simplest instructions possible, but he was insistent on making a pattern entry on the downwind, as if it were an uncontrolled field. For taxi instructions at an unfamiliar airport, be prepared and bring an airport diagram (one reason why I prefer flying with a G1000 suite is that if you zoom in on the map, you can see the taxiways) and write down the instructions.
I agree with the former controller. I remember being a student pilot and I spent hours on hours just flying in the pattern at an uncontrolled field. I had very limited time at towered fields, so these type of instructions (entering a segment of the pattern, not 45 to downwind) were somewhat foreign. This kid was basically on final for 13. He could have just said “cleared straight-in 13” and avoided some confusion. The taxiing, on the other hand, was a complete soup sandwich. No justifying that. 😂
@@flyfishizationjones4940 i know - assuming the moving map was correct i was not even sure how he could make a left base without heading east like he did. straight in was more appropriate.
@@AviationJeremy You are 100% correct. But as a controller you have 2 choices. You can start yelling at the person at the first opportunity and potentially push the poor guy into a fatal mistake, or have a little patience with him give him vectors and progressive taxi instructions. The second approach is not only safer but also takes less time on the radio. The controller could have a nice chat with the pilot later on on the phone or over the coffee instead of belittling him on the radio .
@@dsdsdsdsdsds3139 he was already on a left base, so enter left base was the correct instruction. private pilots are sometimes over drilled on patterns which causes issues like this. this goes away with IFR and COM
The ATC lost his composure almost instantly. He made a struggling pilot even more nervous and less effective. His clear anger and frustration did nothing to help the situation.
He needs more training on controlling his demeanor on frequency.
It also sounded to me like he was keying up his mic too fast, so the pilot wouldn't hear everything he was being told.
I'm not sure he needs to be there at all. I can understand frustration but it was clear the pilot was getting flustered and shouting doesn't help anyone at that point.
Just ask, did the controller decrease or increase the risk associated with this aircraft?
This pilot is dangerous and too stupid to be operating an airplane. There's no excuse for missing that many commands.
Pilot was a clown who should not be in a plane, let alone fly one.
It's a really good idea to rattle a confused pilot while he's still in the air.
I mean like - really.
yeah that was shitty
Better to rattle him to WAKE HIM UP than let him continue to fly like a moron. Snowflake.
It's not a confused pilot, it's an incompetent pilot.
Controller is impatient in a line of work that requires patience and ability to set aside one's pride for the greater good of those in the air.
That's not how it works .You have to do what the controller tells you to do ,and if you don't it can end in disaster .You make a mistake, they will correct you.lf you don't listen and you keep just doing whatever ,they can give you a possible pilot deviation ,and I'm surprised they didn't do it to this guy
@@nightflight1454 I'm not disagreeing with you, however, this controller's demeanor isn't contributing to a successful outcome given the competence or lack of in this particular pilot.
@warsurplus yeah ,he's an a-hole for sure. Government employees get that way sometimes. We just all have to put up with it .
@@nightflight1454 No. If you have an in flight emergency that affects your ability to safely pilot the aircraft, then you can declare that emergency, and the controller needs to listen to what you need, and make it happen. An in flight emergency includes a full bladder.
Pilot could have declared emergency, and the controller would have been his bitch. That should have been done in this case.
@@briansmyla8696 lol
that was rough...Obviously a new pilot that was struggling...we've all been there, help goes a lot farther and safer than chastising...
Controller sounds like from another era. Era where yelling and humiliation were the only known tools.
Controller has an anger management problem
Baloney. The ATC was professional and became more and more firm, and vocal, as it became apparent that the pilot had NO CLUE where he was or what the h*ll he was doing. That's not anger, that's safety.
@@rickcavtube seems that the majority of comments concur. Obviously you've no comprehension what "firm" or professional man but probably never grew up where self-control was considered a winning virtue.
@@ardeladimwit at least they can spell 'mean'...
"Why did you do that?" is the most pointless question ever.
how?
@il400 the mistake was already made. Give him a new instruction to fix the situation for him. Asking him repeatedly to explain himself is something better served with a phone call. The exchange tied up valuable air time for someone who might have needed it.
@@il400 What answer would you expect?
@@HapyLLIuTeJIb um....
The reason why he chose to turn that far east?
It's pretty normal to ask people why they did things, it's scary how many people up voted this, I mean I don't want to be mean, but I wonder if ya'll were in a special class or something
@@il400 I once had been asked by my boss why did I make a small mistake after he gave me like 50 different things to do. He insisted quite aggressively and didn't let go, and I had absolutely nothing to answer him. I have no idea why any answer I could provide would make any difference. That is how I know these kind of interactions are counterproductive and pointless, and I NEVER do this to my people.
Apparently you have never had such a d!¢|
You can hear the uncertainty in the pilot’s voice, slowly becoming sheer terror. Given the controller’s ridiculous and frankly, dangerous tone and unhelpful rhetorical questions, it’s a miracle this ended without a serious incident.
That controller was unprofessional. This pilot was clearly confused and needed progressive.
In the air? Yes this pilot was confused the day he was born.
Do you expect ATC to handhold every inept pilot that enters their airspace? This "pilot" was inept and should stick to his morning job making egg McMuffins.
There is no progressive at 2200’
No he wasn't. You have a pilot who called in to land for 13. They give him clearance for left base 13. He reads back 23. It got worse from there. He doesn't have charts? That's irresponsible.
@irishcurse65 You are partly correct. The controller was just making things worse. The pilot clearly was having difficulty, whatever that mechanism was. Things were getting worse, and the controller played a direct role in it. You do not argue or admonish a crew member while in flight unless absolute nesseccary as the current small problem just escalates. That's it folks, I'm not enjoying pinning the blame here. It's not who's right, it's about whats right. Yes, that pilot needs training or better planning abilities.
That's one way to get to alpha 3, just keep pretending that the controller said alpha 3.
I flew out of KFMY for a couple of years. This is a very common form of communication for this controller. I can’t imagine why they keep him around. He’s an ……. You fill in the blank.
This was a student pilot on his solo
Great. It's now proven that he's perfectly unable to fly solo for now.
If so, this is exactly why you should say “student solo” after your callsign, ATC probably would’ve been a lot nicer. Poor guy was probably nervous and needed more guidance from his instructor before soloing… Probably wasn’t familiar going directly into base, and not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports. I hope he was able to recover from this because I’d probably be pretty traumatized if something like this happened to me this early in my career lol.
@@AV4Life "not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports" a student solo to an unknown airfield ?
@@rainman1242 I’m sure he flew there once or twice with his instructor. I just meant the guy probably needed more practice with taxi diagrams and such outside of his home field.
@@fonfsx You weren't born knowing how to walk.
I guess the pilot's idea was to get into the pattern in a 45 degrees left downwind to 13 who knows why since the instruction given by the ATC was clear but that is not an excuse for a bad temper.
Please explain how he should have done a "left base" to final coming from the northeast? Seriously, i am wondering. Why not have him do a straight in?
@@secondruleWondering the same thing. Since the controller stated he was already effectively flying left base over the river, why not just say that and clear him straight in? Clearly the pilot hadn’t faced a non-standard pattern entry before and couldn’t develop a mental picture of what to do. This wasn’t as much on the student pilot, but on his instructor - and certainly on the ridiculously aggressive and rude controller - who should have recognized immediately what the situation was and focus on being helpful. Could have been an awesome teaching moment instead of an intimidating beat down.
@@sonoftherepublic9792 Right? The pilot tried to communicate that he was going to downwind leg. So he got a little confused about how to enter the landing pattern. Did the ATC have to be an asshole about it? Also, doesn't yelling and making people unnecessarily on edge just reduce the safety level for everyone?
Thats a bad attitude the controller has. I understand his frustration, but that rebuking is unprofessional.
Bad attitude? The pilot was a complete moron. He could have easily put other people in danger. Controllers should be able to stop an aircraft anywhere on the field and have them towed in and parked until the pilot can prove that they are no longer a danger to others before they are aloud to continue flying. Who the hell gave this guy a pilots license?
@@user-xf3eh6ej6m And how exactly is yelling at him going to do anyone any good?
@@davidwebb4904 too many sensitive people around these days....
no following any instruction is non professional, heck not even amateurish
@@davidwebb4904 regular tone is not working, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result is insanity, he is trying something else
Controller made it worse by yelling at the guy. Hopefully, someone in the FAA will be talking to him to get him recalibrated.
Oh, but the pilot gets a pass?
I can see both sides if it. I've been that inexperienced kid, but the controller has to remember that this kid needs special handling.
@@VaporheadATC who said that?
@@VaporheadATCSafety is #1 priority. If the controller is aggravated by a pilot’s mistake, he should help him land safely and then discuss it further, over the phone preferably. Yelling over the radio is unsafe and unacceptable (it can actually cause an inexperienced pilot to become confused and lose control of the aircraft); Unless there is an imminent danger, such as a mid air collision, where I could see a justification for a controller yelling “turn left immediately ” or “turn right immediately”
@@lfhagege Exactly. I got disoriented once when I was a student pilot and was about to fly over Dobbins AFB. I thought I was approaching PDK. The controller at PDK was very professional and gave me a heading to fly until I got my bearings. I was already stressed out and was very grateful that she handled it so well. She also called Dobbins to let them know what was going on.
The pilot should have plenty of paper and ink to write phone numbers for pilot deviation.
This controller would make anyone nervous he is a very unprofessional
I flew into here as a solo pilot on 2004 or 2005 and I'm glad the controller was much nicer then.
Controller must be one of those guys that never makes a mistake.
A competent, professional controller would have given the pilot progressive taxi instructions, after it was obvious the pilot was incapable of doing anything else, for the safety of everyone at the airfield. If Page Field has that bad of a reputation, then everyone there should be fired for lack of professionalism.
Yelling like that can really rattle an already rattled pilot. Controller does not have the disposition for atc work. He should go sell insurance or something.......
_Controller does not have the disposition for atc work._
The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability.
@@sean2015 sorry, but he might know the rules, but the controller broke them (both written, and accepted practice) multiple times. He did not use proscribed phraseology with a student who is not a native English speaker. Think of it this way. If you were in say Mexico, and end up in an encounter with a police officer. He starts off being accommodating in broken English, but devolves into a local dialect because he's angry. Is that situation going better or worse? People think English is the "official language of ATC" but it's not. The phraseology is a large group of words and phrases, some of which are foreign influenced. Nowhere in the book is "why are you doing that???"
@@CharlesCornettFL I suppose you’re an attorney and a retired controller too. The comment section is just full of them!
You may want to review 14 CFR § 61.75(b)(5) which reads:
_able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language. If the applicant is unable to meet one of these requirements due to medical reasons, then the Administrator may place such operating limitations on that applicant's pilot certificate as are necessary for the safe operation of the aircraft._
The person you need to be criticizing is the idiot CFI(I) who signed off this bozo to do a solo.
@@sean2015 yes, retired ATC, private pilot, but no lawyer. I did do 23 years of working foreign students. How about you? ATC and a degree in Call of Duty?
@@CharlesCornettFL I know, I know, and you decided to pursue an aviation career after your work as a heart surgeon wasn’t challenging enough for you.
He made an innocent mistake and he explained himself. The controller was way too harsh. Pilots just makes them more nervous and scared to ask questions and causes increased danger.
The controller was immediately extremely rude and unprofessional, and made the situation in the cockpit worse.
HOWEVER
the pilot completely disregarded ATC instructions, both in the air and on the ground. If he is a student solo, as someone asserted, he needs more ground and dual instruction before he solos again.
"HOWEVER" -- nope, don't care. That controller was nuts from the beginning
@@sysop073 he was completely normal until the pilot unexpectedly turned left in violation of his instructions.
Most unprofessional controller ever
As many said the controller was unprofessional but it's also worth noting that this pilot was not up for the task of flying to this airport (or any controlled airport?)
I’d like to talk to the boneheaded CFI who signed him off
The scariest part of this situation...the pilot is likely planning on going to work with the airlines in the near future. He's banking on the fact Frontier and Spirit don't really have any standards.
He needs the “Possible Pilot Deviation” Brasher warning and a number. Keep the admonishment off the airwaves. It’s still on the tape monitoring the phones.
If he’s a student, have him call with his instructor. FSDO will get involved to ensure the pilot is flying safely.
He sounded like a student. Even the newly minted private pilots aren’t this bad.
As soon as the controller heard him say he was attempting the 45 onto the downwind, he should have immediately recognized he was a low-time pilot, simply doing what his previous instructors taught him. Yeah, the local controller here definitely either needed a smoke break or a couple shots.
Sue here: I hate to be yelled at too, but I burst out laughing watching this. I mean the pilot didn't do ANYTHING right. 😅
Confused once is excusable but over and over and over is a huge hazard
“I was trying to position for 13!”
Dude, you were heading for kfc 3 miles away!
This dude. How the hell you have the guts to go up ? In the first place ? You’re dangerous man. Lots of confusion. No confidente whatsoever
You mean, go up to the tower and grab the microphone? 2/3 of this mess was controller's attitude.
@@pawepluta4883 Thats complete bullshit. The tower said everything in perfect English, gave clean commands and the pilot couldnt understand a single thing he said. He misheard repeated commands.
How can you defend such a danger to everyone? Pilot did zero things correctly and its the towers fault?
I wouldnt be surprised if you were the pilot. Get a refund on your flight school. You learned nothing. Consider driving a taxi.
@@DrummerJacob You clearly have problems with understanding what you read. Have you been this pilot, maybe?
I can understand why this pliot went to east. Although he picked up the insturction 'left base RW 13', his thinking was go left downwind then left base as he had always practiced that pattern in uncontrolled airport. I remember how I went to a controleed airport in my first x/c solo. The contoller is not professional. I am sure he knew the pilot was new pilot, built up real world experience, sometimes, from mistakes. The controller is not helpful at all in this case.
Finally, someone here gets it.
Another thing I don’t understand is…if the student checked in 13 miles north of the field, why was he flying on (what looks like) a southwesterly heading? That’s going to take him right PAST the airport, rather TOWARDS it.
I don’t know how precise the animation is, but I don’t think the student had the first clue of his distance/position to the airport.
Like I feel bad for the pilot, but good grief…. Shouldn’t be flying a plane if you can’t listen and follow simple instructions.
Glad he was not talking to me, I am only partially sighted.
In that case you should be an Air Canada pilot.
These videos are very high quality, well done bro
Dude had a script in his head and he was gonna stick with it no matter what (set up 45 left downwind and look for c3 entrance no matter what)
Almost thought the taxi part was just a spoof video. It sounds fake because its so absurd, all of it. The pilot all over the place, both of them blocking each other on the coms and the controller's ultra high blood pressure hostility. S show.
The controller is being a complete a-hole. Clearly the pilot needs some assistance, and the controller couldn’t figure that out. He sits in his comfy chair, drinking too much coffee, and couldn’t be bothered to do his job. It doesn’t appear that he has any other traffic to handle, and appears that this pilot severely increased the controller’s “workload “.
All he had to do, is offer progressive taxi instructions, and calm the f*ck down….or just resign and walk away from his job.
" offer progressive taxi instructions," Alpha to Alpha 3 how exactly do you break that down in 'progressive instruction' ?
@@rainman1242 Taxi straight on Alpha. pilot continues taxi. When the next intersection coming up is Alpha 3, controller keys up and instructs him to turn right on Alpha 3. That's how progressive is done. Call each turn as it comes up.
Great comment but no blame on the pilot for not doing any homework flying to a new airport
@@briansmyla8696 the problem is that by then the said pilot already took a unprompted left on alpha 5.
should the controller tell him before each intersection: 'not this one' ?
The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability.
Especially in an aviation environment where mistakes can cause tragedies.
Michael Cera was in the left seat and Jonah Hill was over there distracting him, that's why he wasn't paying attention
The controller should be fired for his attitude. Screaming at a confused pilot up in the air is a big no no. Sure, the pilot made loads of errors but that attitude stinks. One error and we'd end up watching the crash debriefs on the other channels.
Possibly a student or commercial student with very little private time behind him trying to knock out some solo x-country hours. The controller went straight to 11 - ridiculous.
And then they swapped positions and the pilot got to control the controller.
Obviously the pilot lakes confidence so treat him softly as a friend. It’s all about a good service that’s what we are about. We are not hellraisers and in the uk we are always polite to the customer
Now everyone knows what it’s like being on the road with other drivers!
this pilot should NOT be flying a airplane by himself
I always hated controlled environments and this is exactly why. All my nightmares in one video.😵💫
As a commercial airline pilot at a major U.S. airline, this is one of the least professional exchanges I've ever heard.
I looked it up. Page tower isn't FAA. They're contract. National ATC training center should look into this exchange.
As a human that doesnt want to die when im at an airport, get this pilot out of here. He needs an immediate refund on his flight school. He cant even read signs, he cant understand words, he cant understand numbers.
Literally the worst pilot Ive ever seen on here. Has no business even operating a motor vehicle of any type.
@DrummerJacob That's not in question. The pilot is obviously not in a good position. If the controller wanted to question his skills, then the place to do that is on the phone after he has landed. The tower has no business intimidating new pilots on the radio, regardless of skill level.
Controller sure did not do anything to help the situation. This is the reason so many new pilots live in fear of opening their mouths on the radio with ATC controllers! This is not as rare as it may seem with controllers!
This is SEVERAL years old, if not more.
Sounds like a lost student pilot. Just help him find the runway.
This happened at least 10 years ago.
This controller is still working at Page. He can be cranky, but it actually makes for great training. It's my home filed and I trained here, and dealing with him forced me to be assertive for what I need and what I can/can not do.
The CFI is who is at fault here. The student was completely unprepared to be at Page. Page Field averaged about 560 operations per day. For reference, San Diego is the USA's busiest single-runway commercial airport and does 600 operations per day.
That student is completely unprepared and unfit to be soloing at all.
Pilot didn’t have a clue of the location of the airport.
You ever fly VFR as a new pilot and try to find an airport? Didn’t think so.
@@danpolk Dude cant even read numbers on signs. Whats your bullshit explanation for that one too?
A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world, to me, it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues. This controller was just a jerk taking out his frustrations and inadequacies on a foreign sounding student pilot.
I've flown into that airport a few times, they can be a little spicy, but are generally good guys. This pilot needs to write stuff down, then think about what he is doing. In the air he had in his head how he wanted to do it and didn't take the time to process how the controller wanted it done. If he wanted the full pattern with a 45 entry, he should have asked for it. On the ground again, he didn't write it down and most likely didn't have a taxi diagram open. Airports can be confusing places, especially single pilot with no one to help you. There is no shame in asking for progressive taxi instructions. At the end of the day, a pilot should know how to do this stuff.
This comm was not spicy. It was full agressive. This controller gives me the image of a frustrated dog that finally found a bone and unleashed several months of frustration onto that single bone.
All the issue started from a minor misunderstanding over the order to enter left base. The controller was thinking the pilot should consider he is already on left base (but didn't say that) and he should just turn once to align with the runway. The pilot understood the controller wanted him to reach to the actual base of the standard path. so he went eastbound to reach for a 45° entry into the path at the end of downwind to make a full standard base leg just like he was taught.
Controller used a language shortcut. Pilot interpreted it by the book.
And then out of nowhere the controller goes full berserk on him, rhetorically asking for an explanation but not wanting to ear any. Because as soon as he keyed his mic he was full on determined to roast that guy whatever the causes and consequences.
Result is full confusion in the head of the pilot who is wondering what went wrong while trying to separate actual instructions to follow from the angry ramble. That is extra unnecessary workload that constantly piles up as the controller continues to send even more useless angry talk.
So when you place yourself as the pilot in that situation, do you really think it is even an option to ask for progressive taxi instructions from that angry guy who can't control his nerves? And remember that still after landing and while taxiing you have zero clue about why this guy got angry in the first place. He told you to go to base, you did it by the book and suddenly all hell broke lose on the frequency.
Pilot should respond with "FMY tower, non control communications disregarded, 47 Victor." Every. Single. Time. Let them pull the tapes and listen to that.
I have to say, a student pilot is taught a pattern that includes a base coming from a downwind. So a left base would be a let to final which is what he thought. In over 500 hours at controlled airports, I have never been told to take a base the way the controller said. Why not just say “tun your base now to final for final Rwy. 23 “? Or “turn now for strait in 23 cleared to land”.
And even if the controller is correct, he should have recognized the pilot’s confusion and how we were all taught patterns. This pilot did exactly what he was taught. ( until he landed…..then not so much but at that point he was already over saturated and behind the plane due to the controller’s demeanor)
Rwy 13…. Fat fingers. lol.
I would have thought some of the first and most important things a pilot would be taught is to LISTEN and OBEY the tower ins5ructions!
@@Jitterbuggn And that's exactly what he did. And it's the reason why he got completely confused when the controller yelled at him for no apparent reason.
As this guy commented, the instruction to enter base means you reach to the standard pattern. That is exactly what the pilot was doing and what he explained to the controller when the controller asked him what he was doing. But the controller didn't care at all and cut him to send more aggression.
This controller wanted the pilot to continue straight and only turn when he reached the runway path. But that thought didn't reach his mouth. He gave a completely different instruction on the radio. The pilot is not a telepath. He can only hear and apply the instructions that he gets on the radio, not the untold ideas that only exist in the controller's mind.
The controllers attitude could possibly have been a recipe for disaster. Perhaps take the approach that you are talking down someone with little or absolutely no flying experience, like in an emergency situation, stay calm and issue easy clear step by step instructions and continue to do so until the aircraft is hopefully safely on the ground.
This is a perfect example of why I walked away from my dream of being a pilot. I lack the competency and aptitude to operate an aircraft. I would have been this guy and had lots of controllers yelling at me, wanting me to write down phone numbers. Furthermore, I would have lost my certs. It was best just not even go there to begin with.
Yeah but everybody sucks until they don't.
@@pgnandt True, but it's better than killing myself or someone else.
You wouldn’t have. At all. The vast, vast majority of controllers know you’re a student and know how to help you, and will make room in the pattern for you. This controller is the exception. No more excuses for you. Go get your license.
Completely uncalled for. You can hear in the pilot’s transmissions that he is a low time pilot…and that he is struggling with the workload. A simple correction by ATC, or offer to vector him in would have alleviated all of that. Anyone can have a bad day, including ATC, but sometimes even an experienced pilot needs that reassuring voice to say “ I’ve got you 9247V…just follow my instructions and we’ll get you down.” 🇺🇸
If he's too stupid to take instructions - he shouldn't be flying.
The pilot needs a little more instruction. For example he was trying to use uncontrolled airport procedure when he was given direct instructions by the controller.
I hope that controller is seeing all of the comments here and will change his attitude. But that’s asking too much.
Probably a student cross-country solo. A little more flight planning and he will be fine.................who the fk am I kidding. He is a menace and will hurt himself someday!
And to think that this guy is the President....
If pilot doesnt know what he doing and is confused you need to give better instructions than usual to aid him. Not get angry and be passive agressive every time you talk to him. Your airspace isnt even busy, just give him progressive instructions if he clearly isnt super familiar with the airfield.. Especially if he already turned wrong once.
It is the same pilot that caused the same issues at teterboro. He went whatever he wanted then crossed an active runaway
His CFI is to blame, then.
At that point, just tell him to get out of the aircraft and report straight to the tower and have literally anyone walking around outside the airport perimeter jump in and easily taxi the aircraft.
Future Indigo pilot right there!
Ask yourself, which of these two guys was a detriment to safety: the seemingly new pilot in learning mode or the maniac screaming at him?
This sounds like a student pilot who is flying "past their training." Pattern work is something you learn in the first third of your PP training. I'm surprised they weren't given a number to copy. Fortunately, the pattern seemed relatively empty. Throw a couple aircraft into the pattern and this gets ugly fast...
This pilot sounds to me like he had it pounded into his head to always do the full pattern. He was headed for the 45 for the downwind as a creature of habit, not recognizing that the left base instruction was a shortcut to avoid the 45 and downwind. Did the pilot review the airport taxiways before landing there? One is supposed to be familiar with all surroundings before taking a flight, especially at destination. I am afraid the pilot doesn't have the flexibility to apply changes with common sense. As for ATC, I have read comments critiquing his work and will let them speak for themselves. This one was a hot mess.
Controller is there to help he is not an authority-terrible attitude!!
If the controller sees the pilot is lost he just limit himself to provide vectors
Pilot cant even understand basic numbers and letters. What do you at that point? How can one spoon feed an adult human single digit numbers more than once and have them not understand?
C2.
C2. (response: "thanks")
"You said C3!
@@DrummerJacob You don't even know what a vector is... in aviation that will be the simplest instruction to follow, turn left/right with heading 0-360 degrees. That will avoid any confusion about flight plans, etc.
Yikes. Student should not have been on a solo yet, definitely needed some more exposure to towered airports and taxi instructions as a whole. But wow was the tower a douche.
I think the controllers rude demeanor contributed to the pilots confusion. He's struggling and having this controller bark at him didn't help !
Welcome to Page Field! If you think our tower controllers make you sweat, think about us who train here every day 😅.
I got scolded the other day for landing too long in high performance aircraft I had only 1.5 hrs in, for which I was learning all the power settings and getting my flare and sight picture right. We just learn to roll with it 😂😊❤🗼
lol I'd have told him that I'd make it longer next time around.
@@briansmyla8696 haha 😆
I mean, who would want to fly with dangerous pilots like this around?
@@DrummerJacobyou are correct, no one wants that. But once the situation has already started, I feel like ATC should do everything they can to help calm the situation and not make it worse.
@@DrummerJacob The pilot actually followed the instructions by the book. Was ordered to enter left base, so went to reach the end of downwind at a 45° angle on the standard pattern, just like his instructor taught him.
But the controller wanted someone to roast and was obviously frustrated by all the perfect pilots he had before that made zero mistake. So as soon as he spotted that poor guy who didn't interpret his instruction the same way as himself he went full berserk.
Maybe regulars at that airfield are used to the abuse. But that doesn't make it less of an abuse. And you can't expect a newcomer to take it like a joke. All that controller achieved was constantly adding to the confusion.
The taxiways look kind of tricky there anyway.I can understand how he went down Alpha 5 instead of Alpha 3.The controller had him flustered.
How hard is it to read numbers? Honest question.
This taxi map makes no sense for me. Why on earth would you have taxiway E going all the way from D to the threshold of runway 13, except for the section between A3 and A that is named A5, which is not even mentioned on the map? Why not keep E all along?
And where is A4?
Yelling like that doesn’t help, it hurts the situation
Ouch...
The controller stated the pilot had already been flying left base over the river. Why not just say that and clear him straight in? Clearly the pilot (whether a student or not) wasn’t comfortable with a non-standard pattern entry and couldn’t develop a mental picture of what to do. This should have been obvious to the controller early on. If this was the wavering voice of a student pilot, then it wasn’t as much on him, but on his instructor for not teaching and practicing non-standard pattern entries and controlled airport operations - and certainly more on the ridiculously aggressive and rude controller - who should have recognized immediately what the situation was and focused himself on being helpful, whether it was a student pilot or someone not used to flying into a controlled airport. Could have been an encouraging teaching moment instead of an intimidating beat down. Same holds for the taxi instructions: had to know the guy was already rattled but chose to keep beating the dead horse instead of giving him progressive taxi instructions.
I fly out of a Class D airport with several flight schools, and especially when things get busy, there are many interesting communication transactions with pilots, and sometimes some very tough love; but always respectful, professional and ultimately encouraging.
First, it seems apparent that the pilot was unfamiliar with the airport, hence his taxi problems. Second, the pilot either has hearing problems or a radio problem, as he reads back several instructions wrong. I'm leaning more towards radio or headset problems as he appears to consistently drop the first half of various words (Runway 23 instead of Runway 13). Third, the controller's initial instruction to enter a left base for 13 seems odd, given that the aircraft was 13 miles out. Did he want him to make a brief right turn to base and then set up for a long final? If I were that pilot, I'd have at least asked for clarification.
Yes, the pilot messed up several things, but the controller contributed to this greatly by his badgering and generally cranky attitude. Now in the end, it wasn't a big deal outside of the pilot and controller giving each other a bad day -- but it was a shitshow that both can learn from.
If you're gonna take a plane solo onto the stage you better have some idea where you are and how to navigate. I can see how controllers get frustrated. Other lives are on the line
This isn’t even about just navigation. That student incorrectly read back ATC instructions at least three times while airborne and then twice more on the ground.
The most annoying part of the video for me was at 2:11 when the student said _”I’m aware of that sir”. That’s student was NOT aware of anything, he was completely clueless.
I hope that he's a student...God help him.
The pilot was definitely not ready for the flight. However the controller needs to calm on frequency. The controller only made it worse by all the yelling.
This controller needs a brasher. Get the aircraft down and parked safely and then ask the pilot to call tower for a friendly conversation. Pilot is possibly a non english speaker and he needs to fix that before flying into towered airports.
The controller definitely didn’t help the situation - probably rattled the pilot even more - and that’s not ok. But this is dangerous. Low time pilots who train primarily at untowered fields should not be flying into towered airports without doing so with an instructor MULTIPLE times. And in full disclosure: I’m a low time pilot who trained at primarily untowered fields and I would not fly into controlled airspace until I reached proficiency with my instructor.
Being a controller is for sure hard and stressful but....when a struggling pilot is IN the air, that is not the time. Shame on him, get the pilot corrected, get him on the ground like a professional and worry about it then. Before foreflight and extended centerlines on vnc charts...lots of pilots messed up coming into unfamiliar fields when they were learning and fresh. Shameful controller. Weak pilot but overloading and shaming/stressing him in the air was very unprofessional. One day that could literally cause an accident. Not cool.
Granted this pilot is not going to be auditioning for the Blue Angles anytime soon...But this jackass controller needs to get la*d, and switch to decaf. Jeez, bro. The pilot is clearly a newbie, and rattling him just makes him more nervous and prone to more errors.