Minimum fuel, MAYDAY, stuck flaps. KLM Boeing 737 has problems over Amsterdam Airport. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
15-MAR-2024. A KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Boeing 737-900 (B739), registration PH-BXS, performing flight KLM1074 / KL1074 (call sign KLM60A) from Manchester Airport (United Kingdom) to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport (Netherlands) was on final approach to runway 27 at Amsterdam Airport when the flight crew initiated go around and reported the pull up warning, too low terrain warning. Alter that the pilots reported a flap overspeed on short final in high energy wind shear and that their flaps were stuck at 25. Being on final for the second time the flight crew declared MAYDAY and reported that they were going to land with a little bit over 30 minutes of fuel. The controller rolled out the Fire Brigade. Subsequently the airplane landed safely on runway 27, vacated the runway and continued taxi to the gate.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 KLM60 is approaching to Amsterdam
00:47 The pilots go around. Wind shear, terrain warning, pull up warning
01:42 The flight crew contact Arrival controller. Flaps are stuck
02:11 The airplane was transferred to discrete frequency. The pilot explains the issue
04:28 MAYDAY. Minimum fuel
04:54 The pilots were instructed to contact Tower controller
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After every an emergency-video from Schipol airport, i think this ATC is really pro. Calm, professional, not to much talking and always absolute aware of the situation.
I think, in most emergency videos all ATC and flight crews are usually calm and professional.
@@malahammerI think we are think to decrease professionalism these days
That's their job Wizzer.
@@jamescollier3 not at all. They can't afford to and are trained to stay calm.
@@malahammer Euro controllers do have meltdowns from time to time.
They got a Flap Load relief because of a positive windshear. The flaps automatically retract from flaps 30 to 25. If that happens close to the ground, the EGPWS does sense an aircraft close to the ground without landing config and gives warnings like too low flaps and pull up.
When flaps are stuck at 25 the fuel consumption is much higher and as a result a landing close to 30 minutes of fuel had to be made.
Thanks for the insights, makes a lot of sense
Thank you very much for this additional information!👍
Not possible to get them to 25 manual?
Of course we would more information to know for sure, but it looks like they didn’t transition to a standard go around (flaps 15) after the wind sheer escape maneuver and instead recognized the flap disagree and chose to remain in the configuration until they could run the QRH. The flap disagree checklist would initially call for the flap selector to set a less than indicated position to correct the problem. Blowback protection which is why the flaps went from 30 (landing configuration) to 25 is a feature on the 737 to protect the flaps from overspeed. In this case it looks like the crew was task saturated from the wind sheer event and didn’t recognize that the overspeed took place.
So thats what they had to adress. They could land normally the first time
The flight crew and ATC are unflappable.
I see what you did there.
@@fridaynightgamefilm That was inadvertent.
Flaps up!
@@RLTtizMEOn the contrary, it was advertent indeed.
@@wotan10950 Au Contraire mon ami....
2:24 ATC pays damn close attention to the conversation 🙂
Pilot: goedendag
ATC: goedenmiddag!
'Goedendag' is always possible, even at night. 😂😂
Both was correct and ATC did not mean to correct the pilot.
The Dutch are so cool.
👍
Well handled by both ground crew and air crew. Clear, precise comms as well👍
Not to mention the exceptional radio work.
One thing that stands out is that this is a short haul flight and they had just the fuel for 1 single go around. If they went around again they would be in a critical situation. For what? to save fuel? Especially on an airport where go arounds can be frequent due to wind. It's KLM these things shouldnt even be close to the possible.
I was wondering about alternate fuel as well...
Very professional flight crew and ATC
It’s nice hearing other ATC do things well. Maybe there’s hope for us down the road.
This pilot deserves a raise honestly. Relaxed and calm, and super Professional
Yeah very professional😂, running low on fuel after the first go around and having to declare emergency 😂 knowing very well how tricky can be the weather in Amsterdam . If it is a contest for the one who lands with least amount of fuel in bad weather then yes they are doing very very good 👍
Act/pilot conversation was top notch.
I know of no resultant crashes because ATC and Pilot interactions stunk.
Dutch pride! Handled greatly by the pilots and ATC. 👌
True professionals. Glad that I'm a frequente KLM flyer. 👌🏼
Those guys are not professional forget it
@@willemlenteren1485waarom niet Willem?
@@ArnageLM Willempie is een trolletje, forget it ;)
1977 begs to differ lol
@@arob2575 Wasn't that the Tenerife disaster?
Thank you very much for picking this event up!🙂👍
👍 Thanks for watching.
@@YouCanSeeATC Thank you!😃👍👍👍
As a general guideline, the minimal fuel requirement for a Boeing 737-900 is typically around 5,000 to 6,000 pounds. They were landing with 1600kg, which is 3500 pounds. It wasn't that bad. But what If they had to go around again?
Thanks for the information 👍👍👍
Almost exactly this scenario is avideo from on. ruclips.net/video/ryg4wz7OTeg/видео.html
1600 kg should be enough for another circle even with flaps 25 drag.
@@Marix498"should" is not adequate.
@@alan_davis yes, you're right, air industry is not about so thin margins
how many complications do you want in your flight?
These captains: YES.
holy... massive windshear, flaps problems, low fuel, what a terrible combination.
Not to mention that he had explosive diarrhea.
@@RLTtizMEand a booger sideways up his nose😅
Wow, this is a bit of excitement. I’ve been on that very same flight for more times than I can remember. Literally from the 1960s onwards. Never experienced anything remotely like this.
Are those common winds for Schipol? Holy cow! And the crew and ATC..... SUPERB! Calm, collected and professional!! AWESOME JOB!!
Schiphol is located verry close to sea, so it can be spooky there, but to me indeed this sounds tough, and a microburst does not sound common to me. However this was a windshear... hmmm no fun.
Maybe not common as in all the time but when it blows it's usually more than a breeze.
It's been very windy here all winter, with quite some storms. The Netherlands is always very windy (especially near the coast, which Schiphol is), but this winter was exceptional.
"Schiphol" airport is in a "polder" (Dutch word for claimed-from-water land). So it, and the area around it, used to be a lake until it fell dry (from pumping the water away) in 1852.
The lake was navigated all the time by sailing vessels and nearness of the area to the North Sea (branch of the North Atlantic) meant that the lake also had its spooky windy sections. One of these sections where many a ship sank "with men and mice" was called "Schiphol" (ships' hollow/cave) - the miniature Dutch version of Bermuda triangle or Gulf of Biscay.
The airport is 4m (13.1') below sea level.
I live in bijlmer and the planes fly over my house all the time.
Crazy to think this happened just above me last week. Glad it all went well 👋👋👋👋👋👋
👍
Grappig,they litteraly fly above my house when Buitenveldertlaan is open..
Flew this plane (PH-BXS) from London to Amsterdam in July 2022, for flight KL1010. Pilots handled the situation amazingly!
Flew this plane (PH-BXS) last december (Lisbon-Amsterdam). Strange idea it’s declared a mayday a few days ago
Bad conditions probebly
the graphics are great
Professionalism all over
Is it really an emergency if ATC doesn't ask 5 times for souls on board and fuel remaining?
It’s EU. They have all the information already so they don’t have to bother the pilots. They also declared mayday on approach… wouldn’t be the best time to answer questions doesn’t it?
Terrain Warning.......in the Netherlands?
Everywhere in the world on short final
Well, Tom, most buildings in the Netherlands are built on terrain, only a small fraction is built on/in water. We have 41.500 square kilometers of surface, of which some 33.900 sq. km of terrain.
There was a mouse on the runway obviously.
There was a mouse on the runway obviously.
GPWS estimates your vertical path and if there's an obstacle in the way, it gives a warning - even if it's the ground. On a vertical path the ground is like a mountain. A very high one.
Runway 22 at shiphol is the runway used for Helo's and Private jets. This runway is used for Passenger Jets Only if the weather makes this runway preferable (Heavy Crosswinds). Just some extra info for people who dont know Schiphol
Thank you 🙂
KLM uses runway 22 also for test flights. I once watched a 777-800ER take-off from it within 1km.
@@feddek9325 Yes indeed also the PH-BFA took of to be scrapped on her final journey from 22 - 04. It's amazing to see those big birds take of when they are that light.
Calmest Mayday so far)
It's worrying the flight was so low on fuel. For such a short flight they must have uploaded a minimum amount ??
Due to the flap being stuck at 25 they consumed more fuel than normal
They probably had fuel for Rotterdam as an alternate. Plus a bit for the windy conditions I suppose. But then flying around with the flaps out the fuel flow is high.
nasty winds
OMG I FLEW IN THIS PLANE ON MAY 2023
Yeah the plane was screaming "OMG WE'RE GONNA CRASH. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!" You know, that kind of thing.
Is 60 ALPHA the flight number? Or does it mean something else?
Flight number. KLM60A
Callsign, not the commercial flight number printed on the tickets
Isn’t flight number the call sign on commercial flights?
@@alexsakon In Europe, oftentimes they are not equal. Instead, the callsign is usually an alphanumeric combination. But sometimes, the callsign and the flight number match. Why, I don't know, but it guess it's centrally assigned by Eurocontrol and they ensure some form of uniqueness.
3:55 Landing with 1.6 on the fuel?! That’s insane! For example, I don’t like landing with fuel getting close to 5.0, although company policy says 4.4 is ok.. it takes about 1.6 to do a normal go around, these guys were planning to land around 3.2 before their go around? If they had to go around again, we would be watching a video about a crash.
I think they meant to say 1600 kilograms or pounds. But most likely kilogramms.
1.6 metric tons. Not pounds!
What does surprise me is them giving another 27 approach. With the crosswind component I'd expect a priority landing on the 24 instead and screw the departure schedule (which was no doubt why they were given 22 at first).
Added bonus, the driving time to that runway for crash tenders is shorter.
"Uh, no, because they use the metric system?"
"Check out the big brain! You're a smart m**. That's right. The metric system! They got the metric system there, they wouldn't know what the ** a pound is."
@@jwenting Did you check the notams before asking this question?
@@fgaviator ok that’s a little better.. 1.6 Kg is 3.5 pounds.. still tight… What is 30 minutes in metric converted to English come up to?
Oke klm schrap ik ook van de lijst, weetje wat ik vlieg niet meer. Redbull gaat nog een betere job doen.
Het is maar beter dat jij inderdaad niet vliegt
Looks like the duct tape wasn't enough to hold the plane togethe. Lol
3:55 With that amount of fuel, they only had a single chance to land before the engines flame out. If they were already coming in with such low fuel, I think they should have at least discussed diverting to another airport.
Unfortunately, there was no other airport to divert to, maybe Rotterdam airport. If Lelystad Airport was opened they could've easily diverted to Lelystad. But due to a bunch of ''klimaat klevers'' the airport is still closed
@@aviation_netherlandsridiculous answer. There is always an airport to divert to. That’s the whole intention of filing an alternate airport.
Usually, your alternate isn’t close to your destination, since the weather conditions are usually the same. They could’ve gone to Belgium, Germany or even France as an alternate.
In my opinion, they arrive with too little fuel in the first place. I’ve never landed less than 3 tons.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I know, that's true. But I meant more like, in that situation (30 minutes of fuel), they couldn't have gone to France or Belgium because that would be way too dangerous. And since they flew over Lelystad they could've diverted to Lelystad if the airport was open
@@aviation_netherlands right, but they should have fuel for Belgium at least. I just feel this was a bit low on fuel. I know they try and save money by not carrying too much fuel, but I don’t think you should push it this far.
Who killed John Barnett?
Discrete radio frequency!! Have anyone seen anything like this in US for any of emergency planes?
It's okay,,dont push the pedal to the metal👍🏼stay out of the 4barrel and fly lower
Any publicity is good publicity probably doesn't apply to aviation.
You mean how the professionals did all the right things and such?
Absolutely not. Was thinking about Boeing. @@stijl3970
I love how tight they handled this. Sounded almost bored. That's what I want if for some ungodly reason I find myself on Boeing.
You are a nervous Nellie...quivering for all to see.
So not being an aviation expert, when the fuel runs that low is it the fault of the pilot?
yes and no. Pilot is responsible for his fuel state, but what with the winds that day the fuel calculations by planning may have been overly optimistic.
By law they're required to declare an emergency when fuel threatens to go below 30 minutes' reserve, as that's the legal minimum for diversions and go arounds for most flights (can be more if there is no diversion airport within 30 minutes, for example during trans oceanic routes).
No. It's not
"It depends..."
On arrival you have to have enough fuel for diverting, than at that location being able to land with still half an hour fuel.
within this half hour you're supposed to declare a emergency.
If his alternate would be Rotterdam (5mins flight) he was on the save side.
@@soccerguy2433yes it is.
I'm no expert, but atc doesn't say QNH reading at all.
that's what ATIS is for.
@@jemand8462 atc tells wind conditions so why not QNH
The aircraft climbed to no higher than 3000ft, which is also the transition altitude. So there was no real need to advise the QNH. Yes, the approach controller could have stated the QNH but the pilots would likely have already been on that QNH (unless it changed). They were also dealing with a more critical situation.
@@SuperJohn626is it really important if you're flying a visual approach and have the airport / ground in sight? I don't know the conditions there but I guess it was visual
The QNH has been given on previous messages during the approach. No need to repeat (if the QNH has not changed).
Only here for the comment section :)
Storm in een glas water
the dutch are the most professional in everything
Yeah... uh... just keep them away from the canaries ok?
yes so professional that they went low on fuel and declared a may day for fuel emergency after a single go around.
People so jelly of what I said 🙃
@@MakkerDon no jelly just it's pretty concerning what happened and the professionality means that they calculate the right fuel
@@ChauffeurGoPro seems atc was also dutch, maybe I was referring to them?
Flaps and fuel non-nominal I think you should just declare an emergency.
Thank you Captain RUclips.
How would have that changed the outcome?
The pilot makes the call to whatever hé thinks is correct.
Very surprised they don't communicate in Dutch.
We don't do that (appart from 'good morning' type of things).
For savety it's vital that people around you know what's going on, so you'd rather speak a language everybody (sopposingly) understands.
Beside.... (being Dutch) I wouldn't even know the Dutch terms for most stuff.
Why does that surprise you?
Was the pilot dutch? I thought I detected an English accent although a KLM flight
one Dutch one English I think@@dougiehogarth6652
@@dougiehogarth6652"I thought I detected an English accent" 🤣🤣🤣 how is it Americans continue to embarrass themselves in all things related to culture outside of their own continent?
I don't believe this. We are the ROYAL DUTCH flying company. Our maintenance engineers are all over the world and give every KLM aircraft a perfect maintenance service before every flight, wherever they come from. This was just a test in a simulator. (lol)
When i was an intern by KLM Maintenance and Engineering. I inspected a 737-400 who had his elevator control system frozen stuck while approaching AMS. It lowered altitude with stabilo trim above the IJsselmeer en circles around it until elevator control was regained. We didn't found a clear reason why it happened the most probable cause was frozen anti freeze agent on the control mechanisms, but we could not prove that. There was decided that the whole controle mechanism was to be replaced with actuators and all. That was a fun job to do. Only reistalling the APU exhaust shrout was a pain in the ass. After the fix the 737 was taken by test pilots above the IJsselmeer under same circumstances to check if it happened, again but didn't.
There is always a possibility that weird things happens. It how a company handles the situation is what divide them.
It's a Boeing after all .....
Thank God my national airline only has Airbus..☘️
This is a brand new 737 why is it having problems already?
Have you read the news over the past few weeks? Did you notice at least 3 major incidents with fairly new Boeing 737’s?
@@johnhopkins4920 Yea but this is not the Max, it's the 900 which is a variant very similar to the Max. The Max currently cannot be delivered at the moment but the 900s can.
A wind gust caused the flight path to become unstable.
Wind gust can cause overspeed, damaging the flaps. This goes for all aircraft.
The aircraft is 22 years old.
Brexit is clearly responsible for this situation
Brexit and Donald Trump, obviously
@@johnjoseph3667 And the Dutch Party for Freedom.
please don'T forget the right wing parties.
All of those things can get in the sea, as far as I’m concerned.
OMG he "declared an emergency" !!!!!!
haha last week i was watching a vid, a guy in a 172 with serious engine trouble.
Would not want to declare a emergency due to the paperwork that would follow.
Fuck That !!!! (ehhh can i say that on television ?)
@@pascalcoole2725 Flying your Big Lots recliner is much different.
@@RLTtizME Don't understand your remark.
@@RLTtizME Don't understand your remark.
Flown all kind of sizes.
@@pascalcoole2725 You must be a EuroBrit. You have always had trouble deciphering worldly mirthful remarks.
In my opinion, they have a bit of an issue with managing the fuel...
OMG...profound.
Agreed.
@@RLTtizMEman, you are always clueless.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 What a burn DutchBoy. You da man.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 He was waiting for your affirmation. LOL.
0:39 No one babbles and throws it out faster than US ATC. Atleast this guy think he's in the US.. And his dutch accent is not even that clear. Worse than the German Accent.
Corrective action: Replace Pilot
ATC and pilots talking too much, let the pilots decide all then provide decisions to atc to assist and pilots stick to the basic info.
Another day, another Boeing with a malfunction.
I'm sorry no.... this was a mechanical failure caused by overspeed for the given flap setting.
Not Boeings fault,
Not the Piliots fault,
but surly the fault of the weather man
I see you missed all the Airbus and Embraer videos.
I'm not assigning blame or reaching conclusions... just pointing out that from a public relations perspective, Boeing is having a rough go lately.
Another day and another ridiculous comment on YT.
@@fridaynightgamefilm Which is why you shouldn't take anything at face value. How many Boeing aircraft are flying around the world? Thousands upon thousands. How many flights are undertaken daily on Boeing planes? Hundreds of thousands, if not millions. How many of those aircraft & those flights have mechanical issues? Not in the thousands. So there's no need to fearmonger.
another boeing emergency... how many is that this month? not looking good
You keep track of those and report back next month. Thanks.
Have of airplanes around the world are Boeing...
This is not because of the aircraft.. this is due to weather. Windshear go around with flap overspeed..
BOYCOTT BOEING!
Boeing has become such a crap...
Another Boeing 737.....
Stinger...oh just stop.
...which landed safely.
Had nothing to do with Boeing...
@@fransezomer That is quite a hiney binder.
The airliner is the issue
When the 737 had problems and the Boeing board of directors kept lying, I decided I was never going to get on a Boeing aircraft again. Looks like I made a good decision.
All airlines with Boeings are completely shattered by this news. Please please reconsider.....think of the children.
This wasnt even because of ‘boeing’ this was due to windshear with flap overspeed.. aka weather problem
KLM verbaast me niks 😂
gelukkig was het geen turkish airlines, dan waren ze in een weiland terechtgekomen
@@meeskom hopelijk de volgende keer op jouw woning Mees
This airliner is now on blacklist as wellend bad reputation here
what no its not? lol just cause you had ur flight delayed doesnt mean its bad lmao
If it Boeing I'm not Going.
PH-BXS, 737 NG, flown for more than 22 years until now. Where is the Boeing problem here?
There are 100,000 commercial flights a day probably 50% Boeing. I’ve been on an emergency aircraft landing gear came down mid light. It was okay walked off the first plane onto a second and got to my office 6 hours behind. It’s routine
this was not a problem with the aircraft per se. Could have happened to any aircraft.
KLM has a fleet of over a hundred Boeing aircraft, hasn't had any serious problems with any of them in decades.
And what problems there were (like this one) were related to external factors, either weather, shoddy maintenance, maybe once or twice fuel contamination, not to poor design or construction.
Excellent! More free upgrade seats for me! Encourage others like you to avoid Boeing too. I love free upgrades!!
like a kangaroo👍🏼