14:18 Spock: “I also have a sister”. Kirk: “You made that up”. Spock: “I did not”. Kirk: “You did too. You couldn’t possibly have a sister because I happen to know for a fact you don’t have a sister”. Spock: “Technically you are correct, I do not have a sister”. Kirk: “There you see, see”. Spock: “I have an adopted sister”. Kirk: “... I gotta sit down”.
Sybok doesn't use "mind control," he convinces people to willingly follow him. That means that the crew of the Enterprise, including our heroes, willingly commit mutiny in this film. Thankfully, Nimoy and Kelly were so disgusted that Shatner wrote this for their characters that they refused to participate unless the script was changed so that Spock and McCoy resist Sybok's influence.
Late reply but that especially sucks balls when you take into account that the previous ST movies put such a focus on making the crew feel like a group of old friends all facing the universe together, having them all just willingly turn on their friend like this just ruins that
...Actually,Vulcans DO have the ability to mess with people's minds! ...But it usually involves them touching people's faces. This dude is able to do stuff to people from across rooms some how! Maybe he was part Batazoid or something?
So I re-watched the film and Spock points out that the being wasn't god, merely a malevolent life form imprisoned on this planet behind the Great Barrier and it simply needs the Enterprise to escape. The scene of him turning into sybok was apparently him mocking Syboks arrogance.
Exactly. They had to get a three titted “sexy lady” into theatres first, before some other Sci-fi movie did it. Plus, it was to get in the 3-tit loving crowd, who buy Sci-fi books and comics just for the art.
@@jonathanwright8025 yes Actress Lycis Naff played " Ensign Sonya Gomez" in the TNG episodes "Q Who & Samaritan Snare" she was the one. who spilled coffee on Picards uniform in engineering
And now that scene from the Star Trek episode of Futurama becomes clearer: Nimoy: "Melllvar, you have to respect your actors. When I directed STAR TREK IV, I got a magnificent performance out of Bill, because I respected him so much." Shatner: "And when I directed STAR TREK V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respect me so much!"
The scene about Kirk knowing he won't die as long as he can rely on Spock and Bones ties into the end. It's actually a really nice crew as family moment.
As bad as this film was, it did have one moment that was pure gold: Chekov: "Uhura; can you give us directions back to base camp? Sulu and I are- trapped in a blizzard (Sulu tries to imitate the sound of a blizzard)" Uhura: "The current weather where you are is 64 degrees, and sunny." Chekov: "...Sulu, look! The sun's come out! It's a miracle!"
Chekov was always gold :D..Just keep in mind that the scene in ST 4 were he asked for directions to the "nuklear wessel" was not done with any actors beside him and uhura :D..They just approached a bunch of random strangers on the streets :D
You know, what really makes me sad about Trek V (and why I can't entirely hate it) is that it's one of the very few Trek movies that feels like it was truly trying to recapture the spirit of the original show. Honestly, chop out the fluff and you'd be left with a pretty solid episode, with that peculiar mix of goofiness, action, adventure, light comedy, and half-baked philosophy that made TOS so popular.
I know this is 5 and a half years old...but even in her 50s, Nichelle Nichols was a beautiful woman. (I haven't seen her recently, so I don't know what she looks like now) The puking scene wasn't necessary.
Yes, it’s like saying Sophia Loren wasn’t pretty in her 50s, just because she’s in her 50s. Plus, It’s not like she was grossly out of shape or they showed anything more than some still toned legs.
I have the novelization based off the original script. I've also read Shatner's movie memories book. Some of it was his reach exceeding his grasp but some of it wasn't quite his fault. It was his first film and all the special effects look crappy because he was scammed into giving the budget for special effects to someone who turned out to be an independent person operating out of his garage. The real story and and what should have been filmed was actually pretty entertaining. Most of the plot gaps are explained. Sybok is given Visions on how to recalibrate the shields so that they can pass through the Great Barrier. The Klingon is able to follow because he decides to match the frequency of his Shields to match. The entity was something trapped at the dawn of time and was implied to be responsible for all of the various religions and faiths out there. It had been slowly influencing whatever could in the attempt to get a follower to pierce the barrier and that's why it needed a ship so that this way it could find its way out. It's implied that the true God was what prison this being at the center of the Galaxy and it's implied that the entity itself is Satan. Some of the meta plots in the story dealt with the idea of the cast growing old and what would happen when they die. Syboks power is just him using the mind meld to scan your mind for what troubles you the most, and he is so powerful a psychic he can induce it at range. that's how the rest of the cast can see the visions. email directly with one person but broadcasted short-range. The reason why people follow him is because they're at peace with themselves. As for the ambassadors the reason why the Klingon ambassador doesn't stop things early on is because like all of them he's a failure. They're all sent there because they were all fuck ups and it was a punishment. Its kind of amusing that they get along. the movie would never be tolerable when it first came out I was probably in 9th grade and even then I thought it was kind of crappy. I was especially disappointed because I had bought the book before the movie came out and the book was really entertaining.
Interesting. I have to wonder then why they didn't shoot many of these crucial explanation scenes. I doubt it would have taken much time and even if the scenes weren't done well it would have at least made the story more coherent. Or is some of this the case of Nostalgia critic skipping movie over dialogue that does actually explain some of these plot holes.
My memory is a bit old, but as I recall Shatner admitted full stop that as a first time at the helm he was in over his head. Many scenes hinged on the SFX contract, and when that turned out to be not what was expected, scenes were cut. Voldemort? He was burying his family and waiting to die when Sybok found him. Sybok was banished from Vulcan for endulging in emotions and a forbidden use of his abilities. *sigh*. The story still wasnt perfect, but you can imagine how middle school me reacted when I saw this in theatres after the book. Check both out! They're cheap on amazon
So you can't have great space special effects. Then why not utilize Nimbus III more? Have the indigenous inhabitants as part of a "rebellion" against the 3 powers who have colonized the planet simply because it lands inside their respective Neutral Zones. They are factions at war among themselves, which is partly why Paradise City is spared. But Sybok and his followers help unite them to form the rebellion against the Nimbus III Colony. This is where those dune buggies from Star Trek: Nemesis should have been. Have an epic land battle where they siege the city (not that piss weak assault), a proper defense then being succumbed due to overwhelming numbers. A good land based battle lasting at least 10 minutes. When you can't have an epic space battle, then have an epic land one. You revisit this with the covert attempt to rescue the hostages later (minus Uhura's dance). Actually explain away how they get to the great barrier, via wormhole (reuse wormhole footage from The Motion Picture). Make Sybok Spock's surrogate brother, as opposed to a half one. Give the character more backstory as highly intelligent man who had attempted to join the likes of the Vulcan Science Directorate and Starfleet but was rejected, so he goes on a quest for God (perhaps coming upon him in a dream (an illusion to "Row, row, row your boat" perhaps?) and seeks the last piece of the "puzzle" in Nimbus III, which shows him the way to get to Sha-Ka-Ree. All he needs is a starship to get there. Why not just have the transporters working, but you can't beam people in and out because of an Ion Storm over the planet? Oh and what about the Romulans? There should have been a small diplomatic shuttle that sent the new representative to Nimbus III, upon receiving the distress signal, they are about to turn back, but the small ship is taken over by Sybok followers, who have been posing as the old delegation. This would explain why the Romulan government does nothing to assist in rescuing the hostages, whilst at least the Klingons give out the order. Then you actually find "god", an unintentional at the time allusion to Q. A rogue Q perhaps who was sent to be imprisoned on this planet, awaiting rescue. Distract him for long enough so that the 3 can be saved, whilst Sybok sacrifices his life because he learns that the truth he's been searching for the whole time is false (revealed to him by the mirror image of himself through "god"). And of course the Klingons save the day. A film that could have been, if they done their homework and looked beyond limitations.
I wouldn't be surprised if his original idea was a bit more thought out. His books are fairly competent. More than you'd think especially watching this movie. Definitely got good ideas.
All jokes aside, I really do like Kirk's speech about needing pain because it's a vital human experience and shapes who we are as well as how we handle it being a test of the strength of our character. It's just a shame the rest of this movie is in many ways something of a farce.
5:45 Not going to lie, that might be one of the best line deliveries of Shatner’s career. It’s a whole new level of emotion added to the character of Kirk, and it isn’t hammy or stupidly done. This is a man who has accomplished so much but he feels empty when he isn’t keeping himself distracted. And it’s his interactions with people that make him feel more whole (which definitely explains the rampant womanizing).
I don't really understand him being grossed out by Uhura dancing.... I mean, yeah, she's definitely old enough to be my mother here, but she has really nice legs and is in good shape. Now, that said, I will definitely argue that having her dance provocatively in this movie is pointless objectification. There was no reason for it. Shatner just wanted to see Nichelle dancing. ._.
Reminds me of english class where we had to write a scene for a play and then act it out with the class mates at our table and one guy tried writing a kissing scene with the cutest girl in our class
I actually really like the campfire moments, for me it is one of my favorite startrek moment, it shows the human side of everyone, not everyone has to always be institutionalized robots
Agreed. This is still one of the worst Star Trek movies, but Doug's hating on the banter between Kirk, Spock and McCoy is totally misguided. (Doug, admittedly, has never watched much ST beyond the films, so that's probably why he doesn't get it.) He also went overboard, arguably mean-spirited, with acting like he was disgusted with the mature dancing Uhura.
Good night, Bones. Good night, Jim. Good night, Spock. Good night, Captain. Good night, Lamarr. Good night, Wormer. Good night, Takashi. Good night, Poindexter. Good night, Booger. BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRP! HEEHEEHHEEHEEHEHEHAHAHAHA!
In this movie William Shatner isn't acting, he is playing himself, he is William Shatner in Star Trek pyjamas, not James T. Kirk. And he is fighting God. Amazingly stupid and fascinating to watch this trainwreck to crash and burn in spectacular fashion. For me, I laugh every time for whole movie, so it has something to going for. Modern Star Trek movies haven't even that.
7:06 Critic, you could have easily inserted a clip of the Scorpio Killer from Dirty Harry yelling at that bus full of school children “ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT! SING! SING! DAMMIT SING!”
Head Monk from the Futurama episode where Bender meets God: Oh how convenient, a theory about God that doesn’t require looking through a telescope… GET BACK TO WORK!
"Do you like ladies over 50 years old doing a fan dance?" Ummm, if they're hot....yeah. Age ain't nothing but a number....and some ladies can look amazing no matter their age.
Uhura's dance has and always will be my favorite part. I don't care what anyone says. When I was younger, it was just fun to see a gorgeous woman dancing. When I became older, I wondered, "Why did a well experienced and accomplished Starfleet officer agree to perform a burlesque dance to a bunch of dangerous terrorists, AND how did the commanding officer get away with issuing such an order?" LOL
It's a question of what would a bunch of filthy sex starved men forced to sit out in the wasteland of a barely inhabitable planet. Either give them a distraction or get into a major firefight and blow the whole operation. And did Kirk order it or did Uhura volunteer the plan and Kirk couldn't think of anything more likely to succeed?
flyboymb ... or the « bunch of filthy sex starved men » could just have raped and possibly killed her... which would probably have happened in the real world... So, no, there is absolutely no justification in Kirk giving this order to Uhura, and this scene makes no fucking sense.
Pierre-Antoine Winter-Samary It obviously would have been a volunteer mission, or her own idea. On the real side. She might have wanted to show, she was still a sexy women even in her 50s. Which in the Star Trek Universe, would barely be Middle Aged.
@@HappyBeezerStudios At least he openly admitted he was going to enslave, abuse, and devour us instead of people like Clinton and Trump who wait until they get into office to start shitting all over everyone.
"Row Row Row Your Boat" is in Star Trek. What's next? - Singing "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" in Star Wars - Dancing the Hokey Pokey in the Avengers series - Playing hopscotch in Avatar Last Airbender
I've always wondered how Kirk can go from Earth to the center of the Galaxy and back in one movie, but Janeway is stuck in the Delta quadrant for 70 years
I have a theory. What if the "God of Shakari" was actually a former member of the Q-Continuum who wanted to be praised and worshiped like a god, and as punishment for his misdeeds, the Continuum sentenced him to life sealed within the planet (oh, and the Great Barrier is just dangerous to Shakari). We've seen it before in ST:VOY S2E18 "Death Wish" that a Q who goes against the Continuum can be punished be being sealed for all eternity inside some celestial body (in the case of Quinn, it was a comet). So my theory is actually quite possible. And suddenly, this movie isn't quite so horrible! XD
It just occurred to me that maybe we missed the clue in the song, that life IS, in fact, but a dream, meaning everything that happened after the campfire scene was just a dream (albeit a bad one). The fact that they return to the campfire scene at the end only serves to reiterate that point.
...And apparently someone already made this conjecture, and explains it quite convincingly: www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-v-the-dream-theory.243037/
Just had a thought. What if the events of Star Trek V was nothing more then a dream Kirk had from an upset Stomach caused by beans and whiskey? They never left the campground and we end on their second night.
15:40 I always found it odd that Star Trek, a show that's always tried to avoid religion and if anything always seemed to have a bias against religion in general (half the time religion pops up in the show, it's some backwards primitives with a crazy and dangerous faith), had _God_ as a central plot point in one of their movies.
As soon as the human (with the klingon and the romulan) spoke I practically had a heart attack, because oh shit that's David Warner. I had no idea he was in this movie.
Well, if Kirk has a dead brother, then Spock certainly is entitled to a half- brother. The premise of the movie is not really the problem, it is the production of it. I think with a much better director and screen - writer, like Nicholas Meyer it would have been a better movie for it .
They never left Yosemite. Kirk had a dream that Spock had a brother and they searched for God. Kirk dreams this because he nearly died falling from El Capitan. Dream logic...Sybok's magic power, Spock having a brother, Uhura wearing nothing but a feather, Vanessa the 3 titted cat lady, the 25 deck Enterprise having 78 decks, being able to travel to the center of the galaxy, etc. Dream ends, Kirk continues his camping vacation.
The new trilogy of films started as either 11 or 1, depending on how you decide to handle chronology, and did indeed break the history of the odd numbered 'treks being weaker than the evens. That said, despite the common wisdom stating the odd 'Trek films are bad... I honestly quite like several of them. I, III, and even VII are fun enough films; heck, even Insurrection is fully redeemable in my opinion. That really only leaves V as the stand-out terribad film, though it is one hell of a doosie. Don't get me wrong, none of them will sit in the "best of" category, but they're at least better than the Star Wars prequels. V really is shite though. I've tried to watch it several times, and never been able to make it past the half-way point.
Star Trek for me: 1) Boring 2) Good 3) Great 4) Awesome 5) Godawful! 6) Awesome 7) Bad 8) Overrated 9) Decent 10) Awful 11) Decent 12) Awful 13) Great Best to Worst 1) Voyage Home 2) Undiscovered Country 3) Beyond 4) Search For Spock 5) Wrath of Khan 6) Star Trek {reboot} 7) Insurrection 8) First Contact 9) The Motion Picture 10) Generations 11) Into Darkness 12) Nemesis 13) The Final Frontier
To be fair; looking for God is not too far of a concept for the TOS. There is an episode set to the Greek backdrop with a character calling himself Apollo.
Fun Fact: this movie won a couple of Razzies at the 1989 awards for the following: Worst Picture, Worst Actor (Shatner), and Worst Director (also Shatner). Dr. McCoy was nominated for Worst Supporting Actor and Shatner almost won Worst Screenplay. Good thing they didn't nominate Nimoy, that would be illogical
Someone may have commented this, but Starfleet numbers their decks top to bottom, with the bridge being deck one. So, the numbers should have been getting smaller as they went up
Everyone always gets that Biblical quote incorrect... It is not God works in mysterious ways, it is God moves in mysterious ways... If you want your Bible quoted accurately, go to an atheist, LOL
The writers obviously didn't do their research on The Great Barrier, since it was actually at the EDGE of the galaxy, not the center. A barrier at the center of the galaxy only first appeared in this movie, and is never mentioned again.
It's a cheesy film and ripped off a lot of ideas of the era, but it's a philosophical morality play. Man goes to find the biggest and most powerful version of himself - a controlling and obnoxious entity that masquerades as something great - and he finds it. He finds himself, beyond the barrier his Ego convinces him is lethal to pass through. As badly done as it is it has legitimate philosophical and psychological literature/thought behind it.
7:30 let me assist you: the part about rowing is that we have to deal with each day's problems as they come instead of worrying about the future and don't try to go "against the flow" i.e. "stream", and "life is but a dream" part is about remembering that we are mortal, which is where "memento mori, carpe diem" philosophy comes in.
Ok, I wish there was a scene after the row row your boat where Kirk and McCoy are whispering to each other once Spock is asleep and they are bummed at the fact that their prank to get spock singing that song on tape didn't work
"Where did this power come from?" All Vulcans are essentially first class psychics. Their entire lore is about how an ancestor named Surak introduced teachings that led to the era of "logic" in which Vulcans learned to either purge their emotions, or master them. It's heavily noted that Vulcans, in their ancestry, were practically walking emotional nuclear psychic bombs. Unless you forgot that even Spock can wipe a person clean if he wanted to. Hell. He even put his entire conciousness into Bones. Sybok merely took to his people's roots and learned the full extent of his psychic abilities, which you should know is a huge no-no to the Vulcan hierarchy.
Just imagine if every ship and Captain is engaged in the same crazy shit that Kirk and crew are all the time. What if all this world-threatening crap is happening all over the place all the time?
It is important to wear a helmet in a star ship Scott didn't wear one, and thus he was knocked down by the beam. The stormtrooper was wearing one, and thus he was alright after hitting the beam.
Wow... Fun fact, did you know that Leonard Nemoy actually was the director for the Star Trek 3: Search of Spock AND writer? So basically his baby? This movie is Shatner's baby... Oh god. I guess Leonard Nemoy was a pretty talented visionary as well as good actor... Can't say the same of Shatner tho.
I really wanted to hear "Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily. PLAY THE NEXT DAMN SCENE"
14:18
Spock: “I also have a sister”.
Kirk: “You made that up”.
Spock: “I did not”.
Kirk: “You did too. You couldn’t possibly have a sister because I happen to know for a fact you don’t have a sister”.
Spock: “Technically you are correct, I do not have a sister”.
Kirk: “There you see, see”.
Spock: “I have an adopted sister”.
Kirk: “... I gotta sit down”.
@@agentprime2179 You forgot his other brother Spocko.
Sybok doesn't use "mind control," he convinces people to willingly follow him. That means that the crew of the Enterprise, including our heroes, willingly commit mutiny in this film. Thankfully, Nimoy and Kelly were so disgusted that Shatner wrote this for their characters that they refused to participate unless the script was changed so that Spock and McCoy resist Sybok's influence.
Late reply but that especially sucks balls when you take into account that the previous ST movies put such a focus on making the crew feel like a group of old friends all facing the universe together, having them all just willingly turn on their friend like this just ruins that
It's a shitty movie.
...Actually,Vulcans DO have the ability to mess with people's minds!
...But it usually involves them touching people's faces.
This dude is able to do stuff to people from across rooms some how!
Maybe he was part Batazoid or something?
So I re-watched the film and Spock points out that the being wasn't god, merely a malevolent life form imprisoned on this planet behind the Great Barrier and it simply needs the Enterprise to escape. The scene of him turning into sybok was apparently him mocking Syboks arrogance.
Vanessa is *_very_* important.
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Yes. The 3 breasts were symbolism representing the 3 central characters of the series. (giggle)
she completes the triumvirate
Did not expect to see you here
Exactly. They had to get a three titted “sexy lady” into theatres first, before some other Sci-fi movie did it. Plus, it was to get in the 3-tit loving crowd, who buy Sci-fi books and comics just for the art.
3:20- WTF?! You mean to tell me, *Star Trek* introduced the "3 boobed chick" BEFORE *Total Recall?!* (head explodes) 😱
Ah, that might be where the video game series "Space Quest" got it too.
The 3 boobed chick in Total Recall was a minor character in TNG - look it up.
@@jonathanwright8025 yes Actress Lycis Naff played " Ensign Sonya Gomez" in the TNG episodes "Q Who & Samaritan Snare" she was the one. who spilled coffee on Picards uniform in engineering
And now that scene from the Star Trek episode of Futurama becomes clearer:
Nimoy: "Melllvar, you have to respect your actors. When I directed STAR TREK IV, I got a magnificent performance out of Bill, because I respected him so much."
Shatner: "And when I directed STAR TREK V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respect me so much!"
LOL 😂
What a solid reference to one of the best episodes of one the greatest animated series of all time named Futurama. Where No Fan Has Gone Before.
God: The journey you undertook to reach me could not have been an easy one.
Kirk: Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Yeah yeah yeah. Things that are barely an inconvenience are tight.
The scene about Kirk knowing he won't die as long as he can rely on Spock and Bones ties into the end. It's actually a really nice crew as family moment.
And the role role your boat song makes it wholesome
As bad as this film was, it did have one moment that was pure gold:
Chekov: "Uhura; can you give us directions back to base camp? Sulu and I are- trapped in a blizzard (Sulu tries to imitate the sound of a blizzard)"
Uhura: "The current weather where you are is 64 degrees, and sunny."
Chekov: "...Sulu, look! The sun's come out! It's a miracle!"
LOL 😂
That was the best scene ever 😂😂😂😂
Chekov was always gold :D..Just keep in mind that the scene in ST 4 were he asked for directions to the "nuklear wessel" was not done with any actors beside him and uhura :D..They just approached a bunch of random strangers on the streets :D
I felt the campfire scene was pretty good, especially when Bones gets all pissed off with Spock comprehending the lyrics of the song.
Your recollection of this scene is completely wrong.
You know, what really makes me sad about Trek V (and why I can't entirely hate it) is that it's one of the very few Trek movies that feels like it was truly trying to recapture the spirit of the original show. Honestly, chop out the fluff and you'd be left with a pretty solid episode, with that peculiar mix of goofiness, action, adventure, light comedy, and half-baked philosophy that made TOS so popular.
Maybe the whole movie was a ghost story told around a campfire.
That would be amazing twist, to be honest!
I agree!!!
With *marshmellens* 🖖
I read somewhere that if you take everything that happens after they go to sleep st the camp site as a dream, it's a bit more bearable.
Maybe the real ghost movie was the Cat Tiddies we saw along the way
"I am you, you are me"
I AM THOU, THOU ART I
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
You now have the 3 boobs furry persona.
I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together
I'd prefer Satan,the 6 boobs prince of darkness 8D
"Nanji wa ware, ware wa nanji."
...That's pretty much "I am thou, thou art I" in Japanese.
This movie really should've been called
Star Trek V: The Shatner Fetishes
So, he’s secretly a Furry, with a thing for extra breasts, burlesque dancing, and “camping trips” with other single men.
Would you be surprised
I think it was Seth McFarlane who once called it Star Trek V: The Death of a Franchise.
True.
Star Trek V; Row Row Row Your Boat.
I know this is 5 and a half years old...but even in her 50s, Nichelle Nichols was a beautiful woman. (I haven't seen her recently, so I don't know what she looks like now) The puking scene wasn't necessary.
Yes, it’s like saying Sophia Loren wasn’t pretty in her 50s, just because she’s in her 50s. Plus, It’s not like she was grossly out of shape or they showed anything more than some still toned legs.
Get over it
Those were some nice legs.... Hell nothin wrong with an older gal, Elvira is in her late 60's and STILL goddamn hot
@@HeliosThunderPlays Nah he's right.
I agree, she was still gorgeous even at that age and still had a knockout set of legs.
I have the novelization based off the original script. I've also read Shatner's movie memories book. Some of it was his reach exceeding his grasp but some of it wasn't quite his fault. It was his first film and all the special effects look crappy because he was scammed into giving the budget for special effects to someone who turned out to be an independent person operating out of his garage. The real story and and what should have been filmed was actually pretty entertaining.
Most of the plot gaps are explained. Sybok is given Visions on how to recalibrate the shields so that they can pass through the Great Barrier. The Klingon is able to follow because he decides to match the frequency of his Shields to match.
The entity was something trapped at the dawn of time and was implied to be responsible for all of the various religions and faiths out there. It had been slowly influencing whatever could in the attempt to get a follower to pierce the barrier and that's why it needed a ship so that this way it could find its way out. It's implied that the true God was what prison this being at the center of the Galaxy and it's implied that the entity itself is Satan. Some of the meta plots in the story dealt with the idea of the cast growing old and what would happen when they die.
Syboks power is just him using the mind meld to scan your mind for what troubles you the most, and he is so powerful a psychic he can induce it at range. that's how the rest of the cast can see the visions. email directly with one person but broadcasted short-range. The reason why people follow him is because they're at peace with themselves. As for the ambassadors the reason why the Klingon ambassador doesn't stop things early on is because like all of them he's a failure. They're all sent there because they were all fuck ups and it was a punishment. Its kind of amusing that they get along.
the movie would never be tolerable when it first came out I was probably in 9th grade and even then I thought it was kind of crappy. I was especially disappointed because I had bought the book before the movie came out and the book was really entertaining.
cthulhu Pthagn if all that stuff was explained in the movie, it probably would have turned out better
Interesting. I have to wonder then why they didn't shoot many of these crucial explanation scenes. I doubt it would have taken much time and even if the scenes weren't done well it would have at least made the story more coherent.
Or is some of this the case of Nostalgia critic skipping movie over dialogue that does actually explain some of these plot holes.
My memory is a bit old, but as I recall Shatner admitted full stop that as a first time at the helm he was in over his head.
Many scenes hinged on the SFX contract, and when that turned out to be not what was expected, scenes were cut.
Voldemort? He was burying his family and waiting to die when Sybok found him. Sybok was banished from Vulcan for endulging in emotions and a forbidden use of his abilities.
*sigh*. The story still wasnt perfect, but you can imagine how middle school me reacted when I saw this in theatres after the book.
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So you can't have great space special effects. Then why not utilize Nimbus III more?
Have the indigenous inhabitants as part of a "rebellion" against the 3 powers who have colonized the planet simply because it lands inside their respective Neutral Zones. They are factions at war among themselves, which is partly why Paradise City is spared. But Sybok and his followers help unite them to form the rebellion against the Nimbus III Colony.
This is where those dune buggies from Star Trek: Nemesis should have been. Have an epic land battle where they siege the city (not that piss weak assault), a proper defense then being succumbed due to overwhelming numbers. A good land based battle lasting at least 10 minutes.
When you can't have an epic space battle, then have an epic land one. You revisit this with the covert attempt to rescue the hostages later (minus Uhura's dance).
Actually explain away how they get to the great barrier, via wormhole (reuse wormhole footage from The Motion Picture). Make Sybok Spock's surrogate brother, as opposed to a half one. Give the character more backstory as highly intelligent man who had attempted to join the likes of the Vulcan Science Directorate and Starfleet but was rejected, so he goes on a quest for God (perhaps coming upon him in a dream (an illusion to "Row, row, row your boat" perhaps?) and seeks the last piece of the "puzzle" in Nimbus III, which shows him the way to get to Sha-Ka-Ree. All he needs is a starship to get there. Why not just have the transporters working, but you can't beam people in and out because of an Ion Storm over the planet?
Oh and what about the Romulans? There should have been a small diplomatic shuttle that sent the new representative to Nimbus III, upon receiving the distress signal, they are about to turn back, but the small ship is taken over by Sybok followers, who have been posing as the old delegation. This would explain why the Romulan government does nothing to assist in rescuing the hostages, whilst at least the Klingons give out the order.
Then you actually find "god", an unintentional at the time allusion to Q. A rogue Q perhaps who was sent to be imprisoned on this planet, awaiting rescue. Distract him for long enough so that the 3 can be saved, whilst Sybok sacrifices his life because he learns that the truth he's been searching for the whole time is false (revealed to him by the mirror image of himself through "god"). And of course the Klingons save the day.
A film that could have been, if they done their homework and looked beyond limitations.
I wouldn't be surprised if his original idea was a bit more thought out. His books are fairly competent. More than you'd think especially watching this movie. Definitely got good ideas.
All jokes aside, I really do like Kirk's speech about needing pain because it's a vital human experience and shapes who we are as well as how we handle it being a test of the strength of our character. It's just a shame the rest of this movie is in many ways something of a farce.
Agreed that McCoy Father scene was Oscar worthy. I’m just glad Shanter didn’t write Star Trek Six.
"For the love of god don't rape us". That one had me rolling with laughter.
That Monty Python Sir Lancelot running joke was just too perfect 🤣 Seriously, how slow was that horse moving?
5:45 Not going to lie, that might be one of the best line deliveries of Shatner’s career. It’s a whole new level of emotion added to the character of Kirk, and it isn’t hammy or stupidly done. This is a man who has accomplished so much but he feels empty when he isn’t keeping himself distracted. And it’s his interactions with people that make him feel more whole (which definitely explains the rampant womanizing).
the camping scene is the only good part of this film
117darksonic That and "what does God need with a Starship?"
117darksonic row row row your boat.
Sandslashr gently down the stream
To be fair, the scene in the Observation Lounge with Sybock confronting McCoy and Spock with their pain is very well done.
7:57- John Boy? John Boy? *"Dammit, can't a human, a Romulan, and a Klingon f**** *in a bar in this house?!!"*
Fun fact: This won the Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture back in 1989.
Makes sense I guess.
Yep. It took some Razzies away from Karate Kid III.
@@cliffordshafran9250 That movie is much worse than Star Trek 5.
@@nicholasboljkovac6494 They're both pretty bad.
@@cliffordshafran9250 Nah, Star Trek 5 is good IMO.
I don't really understand him being grossed out by Uhura dancing.... I mean, yeah, she's definitely old enough to be my mother here, but she has really nice legs and is in good shape. Now, that said, I will definitely argue that having her dance provocatively in this movie is pointless objectification. There was no reason for it. Shatner just wanted to see Nichelle dancing. ._.
Yeah, but I'll give it a pass because we got to hear her sing, and wow does she have a gorgeous voice.
KazukiriMishamiota Me neither, but "Boy!" was it funny.
Reminds me of english class where we had to write a scene for a play and then act it out with the class mates at our table and one guy tried writing a kissing scene with the cutest girl in our class
+cryofpaine Except it's not Nichelle singing. She was overdubbed in post, and understandably pissed over it.
When The Music's Over that singing does sound kind of off
I actually really like the campfire moments, for me it is one of my favorite startrek moment, it shows the human side of everyone, not everyone has to always be institutionalized robots
(Gamer Bros) MaximuZ712 sure, but row row row your boat??
Agreed. This is still one of the worst Star Trek movies, but Doug's hating on the banter between Kirk, Spock and McCoy is totally misguided. (Doug, admittedly, has never watched much ST beyond the films, so that's probably why he doesn't get it.) He also went overboard, arguably mean-spirited, with acting like he was disgusted with the mature dancing Uhura.
@@dreamlandnightmare You saying he's ageist???
@@dreamlandnightmare Uhura's dancing was disgusting.
Good night, Bones.
Good night, Jim.
Good night, Spock.
Good night, Captain.
Good night, Lamarr.
Good night, Wormer.
Good night, Takashi.
Good night, Poindexter.
Good night, Booger.
BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRP!
HEEHEEHHEEHEEHEHEHAHAHAHA!
Wonder if that’s the same ukulele Nimoy used for Ballad of Bilbo Baggins? Now THERE’S a classic for you!
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Evidently The Shatman Himself Knew From The Start That This Flick Was Gonna be Shit
Wait, why _does_ God need a spaceship?
Is he a fan of Star Wars? Oops, I made a paradox...
Well, gods tend to make use of vessels...
Brandon Lyon Yeah. Ego is a planet, but needs a ship to get across in a human form.
But could ego have just made made his human form capable of ftl travel?
Wait is Ego just Sybok?
If it was so easy to get into this place, why doesn't "God" just leave?
In this movie William Shatner isn't acting, he is playing himself, he is William Shatner in Star Trek pyjamas, not James T. Kirk. And he is fighting God. Amazingly stupid and fascinating to watch this trainwreck to crash and burn in spectacular fashion. For me, I laugh every time for whole movie, so it has something to going for. Modern Star Trek movies haven't even that.
"Is God out there?"
"Maybe he is right here", Shatner points at himself.
Should've left it with that.
Uhura was looking good. I don't know why you were hating on her.
7:06 Critic, you could have easily inserted a clip of the Scorpio Killer from Dirty Harry yelling at that bus full of school children
“ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT! SING! SING! DAMMIT SING!”
I love the impression of the Cowardly Lion as God. Makes me laugh everytime
LOL!! LOL!! 6:57 8:41 23:53 ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT! Gently down the stream.
the monty python reference KILLED me
I'm confused how you got through the scene of the guys eating beans and didn't make a Blazing Saddles reference.
Not even a fart joke could save this movie
McCoy: "Is God really out there?"
Kirk: "Maybe he's not out there, Bones. Maybe he's right here." (points to himself)
Head Monk from the Futurama episode where Bender meets God: Oh how convenient, a theory about God that doesn’t require looking through a telescope… GET BACK TO WORK!
"Do you like ladies over 50 years old doing a fan dance?"
Ummm, if they're hot....yeah.
Age ain't nothing but a number....and some ladies can look amazing no matter their age.
nice
Me too if they're anything like cassandra peterson
(elvira)
Throwing down ain't nothing but a thang, this something I have for you it'll never change!
Uhura's dance has and always will be my favorite part. I don't care what anyone says. When I was younger, it was just fun to see a gorgeous woman dancing. When I became older, I wondered, "Why did a well experienced and accomplished Starfleet officer agree to perform a burlesque dance to a bunch of dangerous terrorists, AND how did the commanding officer get away with issuing such an order?" LOL
It's a question of what would a bunch of filthy sex starved men forced to sit out in the wasteland of a barely inhabitable planet. Either give them a distraction or get into a major firefight and blow the whole operation. And did Kirk order it or did Uhura volunteer the plan and Kirk couldn't think of anything more likely to succeed?
Do you think that would work against ISIS?
flyboymb
... or the « bunch of filthy sex starved men » could just have raped and possibly killed her... which would probably have happened in the real world...
So, no, there is absolutely no justification in Kirk giving this order to Uhura, and this scene makes no fucking sense.
Pierre-Antoine Winter-Samary It obviously would have been a volunteer mission, or her own idea. On the real side. She might have wanted to show, she was still a sexy women even in her 50s. Which in the Star Trek Universe, would barely be Middle Aged.
Doctor Cthulhu
That doesn't change anything about the fact that, in real life, a bunch of sex-starved men would probably have raped her.
'Save me corporate America' and i get a kpop song. Not complaining, i love kpop
InkOnTheDot I got the Enagon bunny eating a carrot.
A human a klingon and a vulcan walks into a bar....funny I never noticed that. :)
Romulan. Not vulcan
NC: "A Romulan, a human, and a Klingon walk into a bar."
Me: "Oh, I know this one! The joke is cabbage patch! :D
What?..😂😂😂
I love how when the klingon ship shoots God at the end, it uses Star Wars sound effects :D
And earlier when it shot the "space garbage" there was a Star Wars sound affect too.
I wish I looked HALF as good as Uhura does dancing in this movie. That’s a stone cold fox!
5:44 this scene is actually quite moving when you consider the real life point of view. William Shatner is indeed alone now...
"My name is God from the planet Heaven, I have come to rule you, human species"
I think I'd prefer a random alien from far off planet to most presidents we've had in the US since this movie was filmed.
Vor for the Alien Overload. The one candidate who openly admidts he will enslave humanity before the election.
@@HappyBeezerStudios At least he openly admitted he was going to enslave, abuse, and devour us instead of people like Clinton and Trump who wait until they get into office to start shitting all over everyone.
The truly shocking thing in all of this is that the triboob cat woman came out before the triboob mutant woman from Total Recall.
Dunno, I thought Uhura killed it in that scene lol
The novelization talks about Sybok learning to develop his power through conversing with the disembodied Katras of the valcan ancestors.
"Row Row Row Your Boat" is in Star Trek. What's next?
- Singing "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" in Star Wars
- Dancing the Hokey Pokey in the Avengers series
- Playing hopscotch in Avatar Last Airbender
I've always wondered how Kirk can go from Earth to the center of the Galaxy and back in one movie, but Janeway is stuck in the Delta quadrant for 70 years
In the novel Sybok did something to the warp drive.
13:17 - There is at least one good visual gag here... she gets thrown onto a literal pool table!
I have a theory.
What if the "God of Shakari" was actually a former member of the Q-Continuum who wanted to be praised and worshiped like a god, and as punishment for his misdeeds, the Continuum sentenced him to life sealed within the planet (oh, and the Great Barrier is just dangerous to Shakari).
We've seen it before in ST:VOY S2E18 "Death Wish" that a Q who goes against the Continuum can be punished be being sealed for all eternity inside some celestial body (in the case of Quinn, it was a comet). So my theory is actually quite possible.
And suddenly, this movie isn't quite so horrible! XD
Moral of the story. never let William Shatner write your screenplay
Vilmundur Gunnarsson or direct
ed campion or Creative Control.
Could've been worse, it could've been schumacher or the guy with the barely pronounceable name that directed BloodRayne, lol.
Vilmundur Gunnarsson don’t let him right or type or anything that ends in movie or book or play or game
He's just awful.
It just occurred to me that maybe we missed the clue in the song, that life IS, in fact, but a dream, meaning everything that happened after the campfire scene was just a dream (albeit a bad one). The fact that they return to the campfire scene at the end only serves to reiterate that point.
...And apparently someone already made this conjecture, and explains it quite convincingly: www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-v-the-dream-theory.243037/
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CO-OP Gaming nope
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No. But i did get one. Its just that out of the current 2,230 people that have watched this video at least more than 2 would have it happen to them.
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"Save me, corporate America!"
Bloomberg: allow me to introduce myself
5:05 - thank you, Sulu, you ARE a treasure
Just had a thought. What if the events of Star Trek V was nothing more then a dream Kirk had from an upset Stomach caused by beans and whiskey? They never left the campground and we end on their second night.
Everyone
Row row row your gently down the stream
Merrily merrily merrily WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING
Spock's face at 06:49 is this film in a nutshell.
Klingon
Romulan "I expect that's Klingon for 'Hello.' "
the row your boat scene is kind of perfect.
When they were saying "goodnight" at the campfire, I definitely thought of the Waltons. Lol!
5:17--I don't think Kelly was acting in that scene...
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
(1931-2015)
And also...
Deforest Kelley (1920-1999)
James Doohan (1920-2005)
Row your boat? These guys have spaceships.... Surely the song could use an update :P
Fly, fly, fly the ship
Gently into warp
Merily merily merily merily what the heck is glorp
(seriously; not much rhymes with warp...)
The same realm that lasted 11 seasons and made Catherine Hicks tons of money. How depressing. I'd hate to be stuck there.
EVERYBODY!!! "ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM, MERALY MERALY MERALY MERALY, WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING"!!!!!!!!
15:40 I always found it odd that Star Trek, a show that's always tried to avoid religion and if anything always seemed to have a bias against religion in general (half the time religion pops up in the show, it's some backwards primitives with a crazy and dangerous faith), had _God_ as a central plot point in one of their movies.
row, row, row your boat, gently under the stream
ha, ha, fooled you, i'm a submarine
As soon as the human (with the klingon and the romulan) spoke I practically had a heart attack, because oh shit that's David Warner. I had no idea he was in this movie.
Love the Holy Grail Sir Lancelot reference :D
AND WE ARE ALL TOGETHER!!!
Well, if Kirk has a dead brother,
then Spock certainly is entitled
to a half- brother. The premise
of the movie is not really the
problem, it is the production
of it. I think with a much
better director and screen
- writer, like Nicholas Meyer
it would have been a better
movie for it .
Kirk has a dead brother?🤔
@@dogma9609 Samuel G. Kirk in
" Operation- Annihilate ! " It is the last episode of season 1 of TOS .
@@fredrikcarlstedt393 , thank u for responding a year after your comment
@@dogma9609 No problem at all .
They never left Yosemite. Kirk had a dream that Spock had a brother and they searched for God. Kirk dreams this because he nearly died falling from El Capitan.
Dream logic...Sybok's magic power, Spock having a brother, Uhura wearing nothing but a feather, Vanessa the 3 titted cat lady, the 25 deck Enterprise having 78 decks, being able to travel to the center of the galaxy, etc.
Dream ends, Kirk continues his camping vacation.
What's the deal with Star Trek and uneven numbers?
GilCAnjos all odd numbered Movies are considered bad.
Wait. Does this logic apply to any of the Bad Robot Star Trek movies? Because I saw all three.
And they're all amazing.
The new trilogy of films started as either 11 or 1, depending on how you decide to handle chronology, and did indeed break the history of the odd numbered 'treks being weaker than the evens. That said, despite the common wisdom stating the odd 'Trek films are bad... I honestly quite like several of them. I, III, and even VII are fun enough films; heck, even Insurrection is fully redeemable in my opinion. That really only leaves V as the stand-out terribad film, though it is one hell of a doosie. Don't get me wrong, none of them will sit in the "best of" category, but they're at least better than the Star Wars prequels.
V really is shite though. I've tried to watch it several times, and never been able to make it past the half-way point.
GilCAnjos if you count Galaxy Quest as a star trek movie, the even/odd rule holds up across all films better :)
Star Trek for me:
1) Boring
2) Good
3) Great
4) Awesome
5) Godawful!
6) Awesome
7) Bad
8) Overrated
9) Decent
10) Awful
11) Decent
12) Awful
13) Great
Best to Worst
1) Voyage Home
2) Undiscovered Country
3) Beyond
4) Search For Spock
5) Wrath of Khan
6) Star Trek {reboot}
7) Insurrection
8) First Contact
9) The Motion Picture
10) Generations
11) Into Darkness
12) Nemesis
13) The Final Frontier
To be fair; looking for God is not too far of a concept for the TOS. There is an episode set to the Greek backdrop with a character calling himself Apollo.
Jerri Ryan and Jennifer Lopez are over 50. I'm just saying. No problem with fan dances there.
Fun Fact: this movie won a couple of Razzies at the 1989 awards for the following: Worst Picture, Worst Actor (Shatner), and Worst Director (also Shatner). Dr. McCoy was nominated for Worst Supporting Actor and Shatner almost won Worst Screenplay. Good thing they didn't nominate Nimoy, that would be illogical
How dare you: Nichelle Nichols is in her 80s and still killing it.
This is actually one of my favorite star trek movies.
Someone may have commented this, but Starfleet numbers their decks top to bottom, with the bridge being deck one. So, the numbers should have been getting smaller as they went up
11:14 Go no closer go no closer!
Camera: How bout I go closer?
You've just missed the obvious message the movie was trying to get across, which is that God works in mysterious ways. I think....
Everyone always gets that Biblical quote incorrect... It is not God works in mysterious ways, it is God moves in mysterious ways...
If you want your Bible quoted accurately, go to an atheist, LOL
God was disappointed in this movie. And he is eternally forgiving of us.
The writers obviously didn't do their research on The Great Barrier, since it was actually at the EDGE of the galaxy, not the center. A barrier at the center of the galaxy only first appeared in this movie, and is never mentioned again.
It's a cheesy film and ripped off a lot of ideas of the era, but it's a philosophical morality play. Man goes to find the biggest and most powerful version of himself - a controlling and obnoxious entity that masquerades as something great - and he finds it. He finds himself, beyond the barrier his Ego convinces him is lethal to pass through. As badly done as it is it has legitimate philosophical and psychological literature/thought behind it.
7:30 let me assist you: the part about rowing is that we have to deal with each day's problems as they come instead of worrying about the future and don't try to go "against the flow" i.e. "stream", and "life is but a dream" part is about remembering that we are mortal, which is where "memento mori, carpe diem" philosophy comes in.
Ok, I wish there was a scene after the row row your boat where Kirk and McCoy are whispering to each other once Spock is asleep and they are bummed at the fact that their prank to get spock singing that song on tape didn't work
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Muppet Treasure Island
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"Where did this power come from?" All Vulcans are essentially first class psychics. Their entire lore is about how an ancestor named Surak introduced teachings that led to the era of "logic" in which Vulcans learned to either purge their emotions, or master them. It's heavily noted that Vulcans, in their ancestry, were practically walking emotional nuclear psychic bombs. Unless you forgot that even Spock can wipe a person clean if he wanted to. Hell. He even put his entire conciousness into Bones. Sybok merely took to his people's roots and learned the full extent of his psychic abilities, which you should know is a huge no-no to the Vulcan hierarchy.
21:16
"What does... God need with a starship?
What does GOD...need with a starship ?
What does god NEED...with a starship?"
What dose kirk needs a wire tied to his back
"I always knew I'd die alone." And you're fast becoming the last one.
One notices that Kirk is now using Sybock's followers as the catering crew....
The hell? The camping scene is amazing. Its genuine and really shows the bond and relationship dynamics of the trio.
Please don't defend this movie lmao
Yes! I agree this movie is horrible, but the campfire scene is the best (and really only good) part.
@@Andrew_Thannen That I will agree, with and the whole "need my pain scene", other then that it's shit. You can just make those clips.
Just imagine if every ship and Captain is engaged in the same crazy shit that Kirk and crew are all the time. What if all this world-threatening crap is happening all over the place all the time?
My mother never got to be as old as Uhura was during that dance-scene...
19:42. DUUUUUUUH, LOOKS DANGEROUS! 😂😂😂😂
It is important to wear a helmet in a star ship
Scott didn't wear one, and thus he was knocked down by the beam.
The stormtrooper was wearing one, and thus he was alright after hitting the beam.
Wow... Fun fact, did you know that Leonard Nemoy actually was the director for the Star Trek 3: Search of Spock AND writer? So basically his baby? This movie is Shatner's baby... Oh god. I guess Leonard Nemoy was a pretty talented visionary as well as good actor... Can't say the same of Shatner tho.