@@BennyLlama39 It's a reference to the same actor playing a Romulan interrogator in Star Trek TNG trying to break Picard by making him say there were 5 lights when there were only 4 lights. Feel free to look up "There are four lights!"
Here in the UK, when a new Star Trek movie came out, say Star Trek: First Contact, all the previous films would be shown leading up to the new release. Some movie goers were being interviewed and asked how would they make it through the screenings, one fan responded "It's ok, we'll sleep through Star Trek 5"
4:45 Y'all thought you could just drop that "Don't you have a nephew who could do that?" line and leave it right there for the nerds? Well played sir, well played.
Counterpoint: Yes indeed Kirk is the only captain in Starfleet that could handle the mission, because the next best captain at this point was still off skipping school with Ferris Bueller.
RIP David Warner, whom we just lost on July 24. I remember him best from the MST3K-roasted Quest of the Delta Knights. Saw an interview with him where he brought up the MST3K treatment of that film (where Warner played two roles). Seemed like a great guy.
Okay, I'll say it: He was also Ra's al Ghul in "Batman the Animated Series." Side note, I first saw him as Jack the Ripper in "Time After Time" battling Malcolm McDowell's H.G. Wells in "Time after Time" back in 1979. Imagine that! Malcolm McDowell was the good guy! What a crazy time the 70's were.
@@bgood8299 I was just going to add 'Time After Time' to this running list... That was one of his best performances next to the Horatio Hornblower episode on the BBC.
Your "No no no your boat" at the end absolutely SLEW me! This movie has a couple of good ideas and classic lines drowned out by Shatner's solar-system-sized ego.
In the original script Shatner had Bones and Spock actually turn against Kirk. Kirk would then save everyone by himself. Paramount execs stepped in and said there is no way any of the fans would believe Bones and Spock would turn against Captain Kirk no matter the circumstances.
Shatner have a god complex. If he would write a star trek serie his kirk would defeat everyone and save all crewmembers by himself. Not even a Q would be save by him.
I love these old Star Trek movies! Many of them may be a mess and have issues but they all have their moments as well. Kirk's point about pain and how we need it to be who we are is very much true. I kno some of it's nostalgia but they will always be good and fond childhood memories of mine.
honestly what kirk said in that movie has been a inspiration to me, i have a lot of pain. i was beat bloody and robbed by people who i trusted people who i thought was my family. after years of abuse im still me. without my pain i would not be the person i am today i would not take my pain away. and thats do to this movie.
Biohazard (or was it Pantera?) used Sybock's "can't help but notice your pain" line to open a song. None of my friends knew what he was saying or where it came from but me. They didn't believe me, and I made them watch it to prove it. I've been ashamed of this fact for thirty years. See what you did Star Trek V?
Even when this first came out, I saw it at Shatner giving the rest of the cast the middle finger. Now that I've looked into how it was made, I realized i was right all along
@@patricktilton5377 If they admit it or not, they're kind of an extended family. And they're loyal to the fans... Yes, even Mr. Shatner, who returned to Kirk after some serious lampooning. Didn't have to, he had plenty of other offers, as well as royalties. Dysfunctional family, but still family.
There used to be a similar sign in the on board toilets in British trains, there may still be in fact, because they basically dumped their contents onto the tracks. Presumably the set designers decided that starships of this era, instead of recycling their waste, just eject it into space. It would no doubt ruin one of those prolonged Enterprise reveals as they circle it in a shuttle if they're having to dodge free floating turds as they do so.
Add that to the writer strike, budget cut, studio interference who kept changing his script, a studio that also forced him to imbue humor to the more serious tone he wanted for the movie. Also the visual effect was done by inexperienced people.
I have a lot of (perhaps misplaced) affection for this film. It is, in no way, a good movie, but it has a few moments. I still love the line “what does God need with a starship?” With that being said, please keep making these EWW videos for the Star Trek movies! I would love to see you tear Insurrection apart, when the time comes.
@@theimortal1974 me too! I find the relationship building/demonstration between those three characters to be fun and enjoyable. Also, Bones’ line, referring to Spock, “I liked him better before he died!” Makes me laugh every time! There are many times to laugh at this movie, there are a few to laugh with it too.
I rewatched it when the 4k release came out a week ago. It gets a bunch of small things right, but all the big things are an absolute mess. It's pretty embarrassing all around. Watched #6 last night and it's still as awesome as it was back in 1991.
If they had to put Uhura on display like that, then it was a good idea to have the popular Japanese jazz fusion group Hiroshima perform the vocals and music. And the best scene was the moment of Spock's birth where the dad was disappointed that he looked more human than Vulcan. I doubt they could have found an actor with a more razor sharp jawline and chiseled features than the actor they found to play Sarek in that scene. And that was Spock's deepest buried trauma.
Okay so In this movie we establish that spok has a half brother. And in Discovery we establish that spok has an adopted sister. But at no time in any part of the franchise do we mention Michael other than in Discovery or at no time do we ever mention sybok in discovery.
This, along with most of the TOS movies ran so often when I was a kid that I have a lot of good memories watching then with my parents and relatives. Yes, they are all pretty silly and cheesy but that is also a main reason why I love the original show so much.
Not sure if you watched a corrected version, but in the turboshaft escape scene, after Spock activates his boot boosters, they shoot upwards and we see them pass various deck level signs. The levels not only go the wrong way (higher numbers instead of lower, since they’re moving toward the bridge) but they go something like 62, 54, 77…. Two more sins!
I noticed this at the time, but I had pretty much memorized "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise", back in the day. Anyone who knows anything about the Enterprise knows that the bridge is Deck 1, and the numbers get higher as they go down from there.
@@jsinjapan1689 friends are pretty hard to find. My last friend stole $50K and I'm in danger of losing my home. I'm so embarrassed and I can't find/afford an attorney... I've drawn myself into a small tiny ball. I don't go anywhere or do anything cuz I'm always broke. Sorry, bad day and I'm venting. Thank you for your response. I know things will improve, like I said, just a down day. I hope your world is great with happiness & joy!!!
@@Tari004sad to hear this. Hopefully you’re doing better. I’ve had a couple of “friends” try to destroy me too. The world is full of soulless people. Hope you’re well 🫡✌️
Fun fact. Spock tells Kirk "the record for free climbing el capitan, is in no danger of being broken" At the time of filming, nobody had ever free solo'd it. But Alex Honnold was 4 years old and started rock climbing the following year. In 2017 he became the first person to complete the free solo and became the reference in this film.
@@Craxin01 Post. It was a response to a tweet in May 2021. ("Albert Pujols of the Dodgers is the first player in MLB history to homer for two different teams in the same metro area before the end of May.")
You could have added about fifty more sins for every scene with the rocket boots alone. Zipping past the deck levels in random and repeating order. Kirk and bones taking their hands and feet off Spock and somehow not falling. Whoever designed them to speed downward after turning upside-down, but then somehow still keeping Spock in the air before he turns right-side-up again. The fact that they don't have a medium setting -- just low enough to hold one but not two people, and high enough to shoot three people in the air at high speed.
Additional sin for the Star Trek's consistent inconsistency as to how long it takes to get to and from the center of the galaxy. Another sin for Bones re-using the same "I'll end up talking to myself" joke from The Corbomite Maneuver. Another sin for re-using the plot device of "man was not meant for paradise" that was a running theme in several original series episodes. However, one additional sin off for Kirk's "I need my pain" speech. That is iconic.
What's actually more insulting about Uhura's dance is that Nichelle Nichols actually sang that song and is a good singer, but they dubbed over it for some reason and didn't even tell her about it. She was very insulted.
This was the first Star Trek I saw in the theater when I was a kid so ever though it is not perfect it will always have a special place in my heart. I love the campfire scenes
Finally somebody called out the fact that it should have been Crusher as romance in Insurection. We all knew that he wanted to Mambo with her when he was younger and all..
lol I really hope you’ve seen the AMAZING Picard Season3...:(forget the awful previous two, they don’t even need to really be seen to get the third season...let’s just say it’s the most incredible send off for TNG ever and Picard/Crusher’s relationship is a central point to the show. Please watch it if you are a TNG fan. It’s better than EVERY TNG movie
I've never understood why the skinny guy thinks Sybok is a Vulcan. If I saw a guy with pointy ears who was laughing, I'd have thought he was a Romulan.
1:44 - *CORRECT!* That is the root of most if not ALL sins here. It deserved a dozen at least. "... the gravitational well of Shatner's ego." - brilliantly stated!🥰
@@mrcritical6751 Q: "Oh, you need to get to planet Paradise, you say? My friend, you're in luck! All you need to do is click your ruby red slippers together, and say 'There's no place like home', and you'll be there in a snap." **SNAP**
Fun video on a slapstick, not-so-fun film. Thanks. :) Once thing, though. At about 17:04 you mention that Spock would not remember his birth. That is true for humans, but not necessarily for Vulcans. I think it was in the novelization of TWK where Saavik tells David that Vulcans do remember their birth experience. So, if the writers are drawing on that (at best beta-canon) factoid, then Spock recalling his birth is plausible. Alternatively, Spock's experience could be deeply buried in his subconscious and Sybok merely draws it up to the conscious realm, in which case this scene is Spock's first conscious recalling of his birth (note how he says, "I believe we are witnessing..." not "we are witnessing...").
I like this movie too. I like all Star Trek movies. "What does God need with a starship?" is Kirk's "There are four lights!" In terms of retaining your individuality and resolute dedication to what is right despite the seemingly insurmountable odds.
Um, I think you're confusing 'I don't want you to take away my pain, I NEED my pain!', a line delivered whilst resisting brainwashing, with a line delivered like 15 minutes later, under threat of some jackass trying to steal the Enterprise, by pretending to be every culture's god.
No reference to the fact that Kirk says there have to other ships in the quadrant when there are only four quadrants in the entire Galaxy so of course there are other ships in the quadrant … And no mention that they made Nichelle Nichols think her voice would be used in the dancing scene only to find out they dubbed in someone else’s voice
6:13 The most obvious sin (which has been overlooked here) is the not only that the deck number increase as they ascend the shaft (despite the opposite being true) but also that they go all the way up to 78 (Even though the ship only had 21 decks)
I'll say it, I like this film! Yes, some parts are terrible. But the brig scenes, the thought that maybe they had actually found God before "what does God need with a starship?" and Sybok's realisation at the end are all great. He wasn't a villain, he had honourable intentions. Plus heaven is named after Sean Connery.
McCoy was so underused that I always headcannoned "What does God need with a starship?" to be his line, because it should have been his line, were it not for Shatners ego. *ding*
Love the Monty Python and the Holy Grail bit in the outtakes. I might have gone with the Supreme Being yelling, 'Return what you have stolen" from Time Bandits. (any chance of sinning Time Bandits?)
Define irony: For Sin Count 42, Jeremy jokes about McCoy reconfiguring Spock's library computer to misspell "marshmallow", while, in thr captions, "marshmallow" is, in fact, misspelled. >ding!
Loved the video! Two missed opportunities though: 1. Giving a sin for the continuity in deck numbers when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were shooting up the turboshaft corridor with Spock's jet boots, and also for the Enterprise apparently having 78 decks. 2. The after credits scene, you could've shown the wide shot those rib--looking rocks, while playing the "Chili's I Want My Baby Back Baby Back Ribs" song.
I always loved the camping scenes in the movie. The mission wasn't very good, but I thought the shore leave stuff was good character development. I always figured that the word "marshmallow" had somehow changed to "marsh melon" in 300 years.
I honestly just thought that's what they called them in America for years. When you've got crisps/chips, courgette/zucchini, aubergine/eggplant and dozens of other little changes, marshmelon didn't seem that weird.
2:13 When I was a young man, I had the same jacket as Bones, here. One of my mother's cats decided that it was actually their's, and I could not make the synthetic wool around the neck, white again. I still miss that jacket. You didn't need to read that, anymore than I did write it in the first place, but here I am ending the comment, as you are still reading it... It was such a good jacket, way thicker than the one Bones is wearing.
I love stories like this where the antagonist has this convoluted plan when all he had to do was just ask Spock if the Enterprise would take him to the Great Barrier
Lawrence of Arabia is an awesome movie. As a confirmed fan who's seen David Lean's amazing movie more than once, let me tell you: Lawrence did something. It's complicated, that's the easiest way to sum it up.
This movie is special to me because a friend gave an audio tape of it to me in ‘94 so i used to listen to it all the time. So i still have it memorized. Especially the audio cues. ❤
There's nothing like watching a Cinema Sins video of a film you just absolutely adore. Warts and all, I love this movie. I've always kind of thought of IV as the mainstream/non-trekkie comedy but V always felt like a film just for them. Perhaps, specifically Shatner, but hey...I'd submit he'd earned it.
this movie kind of was going somewhere with a vulcan that genuinely had a legitimate new ideology and orthodoxy to challenge tens of thousands of years of dogma, which could unite more easily the vulcans and romulans, but instead they decide to make it as bad as possible
When describing this film and it's relative quality to other installments in the series I use a two word comment that sums things up perfectly... rocket boots.
Kirks “hostage negotiating skills” consist primarily of flirting with a female alien on enemy’s side, in order to get her to help deceive her own people, and help him rescue the hostage. 😂
(Spock) turned back to Calhoun. "Do you have a plan as to how to proceed, Captain?" "I was considering going in there and hitting people until they give me what I want." "Ah. The Kirk Manuever." --from "Gods Above" by Peter David
@@phoenixnyc and considering Kirk’s fighting ability. It’s surprising that ever works. Lol 😂 But I guess if you are up against enemies that move like the Gorn, even Kirk can win.
13:00 Toilet cannot be used in space dock because it just ejects the waste into space. In space dock, that could be messy. All those workers out there floating in space and magnet-walking around the ship's outer surface don't really want frozen excrement bobbing all over their workplace.
You sin Spock getting the rocket boots from a locker nearby or something, but you don't sin that whole sequence for: 1) The brig somehow being at the base of the saucer section. 2) The bottom of the turbolift shaft looking like a carpeted hallway instead of an elevator shaft. 3) The turboshaft having almost 100 numbered floors when there are only 21 decks to the saucer section.
@@magnamaduin Well, numerous Star Trek sites said 21 decks in the saucer section, but I wasn't getting into minutia. The point is that it's not a skyscraper high in the center of the saucer!
11:50 I just thought of something, why would you not start moving the Enterprise while the shuttle closes at a higher speed, then jump? You would not be a sitting target then, and you could even approach like an aircraft turning for final.
How about a sin for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy being already in their commando uniforms and taking the time to change into their clean Monster Maroons so they can go down to a dirty planet?
Nichelle Nichols actually wanted to do the fan dance as dance and erotic dance is something she trained in and enjoyed. The real sin is they refused to let her and got a body double to do the dance instead which pissed her off.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that by the time Star Trek V was set, Pioneer 10 would still be well within the boundaries of the Solar System so there's no way a Klingon ship should be getting anywhere near close enough to it to be using it for target practice. By this point, it wouldn't have even reached the outermost limit of dwarf planet Sedna's orbit.
Now the real question is whether The Final Frontier is better than the TOS episode that inspired it, The Apple (a group of Space Hippies, one of whom has a personal connection with one of hte crew, commandeer the Enterprise to fly off to Eden. With a 5 minute hippy rock concert in the middle, with Spock accompanying on the Vulcan space harp).
Jeremy if I ever meet you at a youtube con or something I promise right now I will buy you a beer for having to sit through this movie. Much like Jesus, you've suffered greatly for sins. :)
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"THERE ARE FOUR SINS!"
*Sin counter goes up by 5*
This is so good, I love it
Seriously, that might be my favorite sin of all time.
It's probably to make up for two things being sinned and the counter only going up by one.
@@BennyLlama39 It's a reference to the same actor playing a Romulan interrogator in Star Trek TNG trying to break Picard by making him say there were 5 lights when there were only 4 lights. Feel free to look up "There are four lights!"
@@jaeusa160 Cardassian, not Romulan.
@@ChaosFS Ah right, I forgot which because both were used really often as antagonists in that era of Trek TV.
"THERE ARE FOUR SINS!" and the sin counter going up by five was brilliant.
As a life long Trekkie.
I've been waiting for the roast of the monument to Shatner's Ego.
Here in the UK, when a new Star Trek movie came out, say Star Trek: First Contact, all the previous films would be shown leading up to the new release. Some movie goers were being interviewed and asked how would they make it through the screenings, one fan responded "It's ok, we'll sleep through Star Trek 5"
LOL!
@Alien Footprints
There’s a reason it’s called Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture.
mm.. yeah i've queued for a few trek marathons at the cinema..
Here in England
@@OrtadragoonX Huh, we call it The Motionless Picture. 🤣
"Didn't Shatner watch any Star Trek before making this movie?" had me laughing.
In actual fact....he hasn't watched a single one.
@@adamwoodworth5758 he apparently gets so confused when fans ask him questions at conventions because if that
1:38-1:45 made me absolutely lose it.
“Where are the whales?! Where are my stars?!- *Ohhhhhhh.*” 😂
4:45 Y'all thought you could just drop that "Don't you have a nephew who could do that?" line and leave it right there for the nerds?
Well played sir, well played.
RIP Scotty's nephew, Ensign Peter Preston. (Whatever happened to cute little Ike Eisenmann?)
Nimbus? I hear you can talk to fish!
Too soon.
@@briangoodwin7503 Should have saved it for VI or VII ...
In the novel version he was besties with Saavik and his death caused her supressed Romulan half to totally wreck her quarters.
"Dont you have a nephew that should be doing that" LMAO NEVER LAUGHED HARDER
Peter Preston, Engineers first mate.
@@MusicHandsAbrupt the word is given, warp speed
Counterpoint: Yes indeed Kirk is the only captain in Starfleet that could handle the mission, because the next best captain at this point was still off skipping school with Ferris Bueller.
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
James Tiberius Kirk, you're my hero.
George Peterson, Chicago P.D. could handle God.
He had an interest in politics from a young age.
Let me guess Tuesday
RIP David Warner, whom we just lost on July 24. I remember him best from the MST3K-roasted Quest of the Delta Knights. Saw an interview with him where he brought up the MST3K treatment of that film (where Warner played two roles). Seemed like a great guy.
And he was in Titanic. He was brilliant.
@@mindyschocolate And he played Evil in "Time Bandits".
@@christopherheckman7957 Triple duty in Tron playing Sark, the MCP, and Ed Dillinger.
Okay, I'll say it: He was also Ra's al Ghul in "Batman the Animated Series." Side note, I first saw him as Jack the Ripper in "Time After Time" battling Malcolm McDowell's H.G. Wells in "Time after Time" back in 1979. Imagine that! Malcolm McDowell was the good guy! What a crazy time the 70's were.
@@bgood8299 I was just going to add 'Time After Time' to this running list... That was one of his best performances next to the Horatio Hornblower episode on the BBC.
"Don't you have a nephew that could be doing this?" has to be one of the most brutal lines from any of these videos.
Your "No no no your boat" at the end absolutely SLEW me! This movie has a couple of good ideas and classic lines drowned out by Shatner's solar-system-sized ego.
6:00 I love how cinema sins misspells marshmallow as well while making a sin about “marsh melons”
"Did they actually hire God?" is the best question I have ever heard about this movie.
Hearing "Captain" Chekov say "Warp Speed NOW!" was one of the better things in this movie. Loved it.
In the original script Shatner had Bones and Spock actually turn against Kirk. Kirk would then save everyone by himself. Paramount execs stepped in and said there is no way any of the fans would believe Bones and Spock would turn against Captain Kirk no matter the circumstances.
Shatner obviously never heard anyone else speaking between his own lines, and he's clearly never seen Star Trek.
Shatner have a god complex. If he would write a star trek serie his kirk would defeat everyone and save all crewmembers by himself. Not even a Q would be save by him.
@@kehrmidsael6804isn’t that basically his Star Trek books (even though they are mostly ghost written)?
@@mggardiner4066 oh right, that's a good example.
No I think it was Nimoy and Kelley who refused to play the betrayal and had the script changed. Not the studio.
Okay. That Robin Williams reference cracked me up.
Ironically, I never saw ST1 nor ST5. And for these lucky breaks, I'm extremely grateful.
Four and six are probably my favorites. 🙂
You're missing out, they're important additions to the TOS films
I love these old Star Trek movies! Many of them may be a mess and have issues but they all have their moments as well. Kirk's point about pain and how we need it to be who we are is very much true. I kno some of it's nostalgia but they will always be good and fond childhood memories of mine.
I think this is the only one of the TOS movies with major issues, the rest are good to great in my book!
honestly what kirk said in that movie has been a inspiration to me, i have a lot of pain. i was beat bloody and robbed by people who i trusted people who i thought was my family. after years of abuse im still me. without my pain i would not be the person i am today i would not take my pain away. and thats do to this movie.
It's why the first Matrix didn't work.
This movie is bad, and you should _feel_ bad! 😉
I agree. And I loved the campfire beginning because they are good friends who have been through so much. It was nice to see them around a campfire.
Biohazard (or was it Pantera?) used Sybock's "can't help but notice your pain" line to open a song. None of my friends knew what he was saying or where it came from but me.
They didn't believe me, and I made them watch it to prove it.
I've been ashamed of this fact for thirty years.
See what you did Star Trek V?
The cameo from Gorr the God Butcher at the start of the film is extra impressive for being 33 years before "Love and Thunder" would be released!
Ding!
This is one of my favorite films of all time. Captain Kirk’s line about “needing his pain” was and is one of the best life lessons I’ve ever received
Exactly. I repeat that line often to myself.
Agreed. The crew that have their pain removed become almost mindless in their following Sybok.
@@paulharries9558 I grew up JEHOVAH's Witness and I loved star trek. I never realized the connection
that and "what does god need with a starship"
I had to scroll quite a ways further down than usual to find the mandatory "I love this film" comment. I don't need to say why.
Even when this first came out, I saw it at Shatner giving the rest of the cast the middle finger. Now that I've looked into how it was made, I realized i was right all along
And it continued the pattern of "odd number suck, even numbers rock".
And yet they all signed on to co-star in it. A paycheck's a paycheck, right? Nobody forced 'em to return playing their secondary character roles.
@@patricktilton5377 If they admit it or not, they're kind of an extended family. And they're loyal to the fans...
Yes, even Mr. Shatner, who returned to Kirk after some serious lampooning. Didn't have to, he had plenty of other offers, as well as royalties. Dysfunctional family, but still family.
Everything wrong? Then wouldn't this video be the same length as the movie itself?
Lol well said!
That or two seconds, with nothing more than a caption saying "This entire movie."
Definetly the worst of all ST movies ever, directed by....
There used to be a similar sign in the on board toilets in British trains, there may still be in fact, because they basically dumped their contents onto the tracks. Presumably the set designers decided that starships of this era, instead of recycling their waste, just eject it into space. It would no doubt ruin one of those prolonged Enterprise reveals as they circle it in a shuttle if they're having to dodge free floating turds as they do so.
You think that's bad, you should see the 'hows my driving' sign just above the shuttlebay doors!
The main thing wrong with Star Trek V: The fact that William Shatner directed it...
Pretty much!
@Commenter Guy Only thing funnier is the angry fans defending garbage like this movie
Shatner is a good entertainer, but was a rather poor Director.
Yes, very bad movie. TMP may have been boring, but this is like the unmade sequel, "The Goonies in Space".
Add that to the writer strike, budget cut, studio interference who kept changing his script, a studio that also forced him to imbue humor to the more serious tone he wanted for the movie. Also the visual effect was done by inexperienced people.
I have a lot of (perhaps misplaced) affection for this film. It is, in no way, a good movie, but it has a few moments. I still love the line “what does God need with a starship?” With that being said, please keep making these EWW videos for the Star Trek movies! I would love to see you tear Insurrection apart, when the time comes.
i liked the beginning and ending where kirk spock and mccoy are at a campfire singing row row row your boat.
@@theimortal1974 me too! I find the relationship building/demonstration between those three characters to be fun and enjoyable. Also, Bones’ line, referring to Spock, “I liked him better before he died!” Makes me laugh every time! There are many times to laugh at this movie, there are a few to laugh with it too.
I like that they use some TNG set pieces.
I rewatched it when the 4k release came out a week ago. It gets a bunch of small things right, but all the big things are an absolute mess. It's pretty embarrassing all around. Watched #6 last night and it's still as awesome as it was back in 1991.
If they had to put Uhura on display like that, then it was a good idea to have the popular Japanese jazz fusion group Hiroshima perform the vocals and music.
And the best scene was the moment of Spock's birth where the dad was disappointed that he looked more human than Vulcan. I doubt they could have found an actor with a more razor sharp jawline and chiseled features than the actor they found to play Sarek in that scene. And that was Spock's deepest buried trauma.
Too soon Cinema Sins even the death of Scotty's nephew got a emotional response out of Spock.
It's never too soon if it's funny enough!
Okay so In this movie we establish that spok has a half brother. And in Discovery we establish that spok has an adopted sister. But at no time in any part of the franchise do we mention Michael other than in Discovery or at no time do we ever mention sybok in discovery.
I think Scotty braining himself on a pipe that was right in front of him was worth 100 sins. They did Scotty dirty there.
First time I ever read one of your video titles and thought, 22 minutes is just not enough time.
This, along with most of the TOS movies ran so often when I was a kid that I have a lot of good memories watching then with my parents and relatives. Yes, they are all pretty silly and cheesy but that is also a main reason why I love the original show so much.
I never remember these Star Trek playing on cable. Maybe once every 7 years
It's really a shame that RUclips wouldn't allow this to just be the entire uncut unedited movie.
Not sure if you watched a corrected version, but in the turboshaft escape scene, after Spock activates his boot boosters, they shoot upwards and we see them pass various deck level signs. The levels not only go the wrong way (higher numbers instead of lower, since they’re moving toward the bridge) but they go something like 62, 54, 77…. Two more sins!
I noticed this at the time, but I had pretty much memorized "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise", back in the day. Anyone who knows anything about the Enterprise knows that the bridge is Deck 1, and the numbers get higher as they go down from there.
I'm pretty sure they pass deck 54 twice.
An Enterprise with more than 70 decks! Haha
I think it paused for a break at 69
"...Green-blooded shenanigan's.". I could hear McCoy saying that line. Made me smile.
"I need my pain"... that one line was more helpful than 10 years of paying my therapist hundreds of dollars a month!
You did the right thing. People don’t need therapists, they need friends. Someone to share pain with.
@@jsinjapan1689 friends are pretty hard to find. My last friend stole $50K and I'm in danger of losing my home. I'm so embarrassed and I can't find/afford an attorney... I've drawn myself into a small tiny ball. I don't go anywhere or do anything cuz I'm always broke. Sorry, bad day and I'm venting. Thank you for your response. I know things will improve, like I said, just a down day. I hope your world is great with happiness & joy!!!
@@Tari004sad to hear this. Hopefully you’re doing better. I’ve had a couple of “friends” try to destroy me too. The world is full of soulless people. Hope you’re well 🫡✌️
Fun fact. Spock tells Kirk "the record for free climbing el capitan, is in no danger of being broken"
At the time of filming, nobody had ever free solo'd it. But Alex Honnold was 4 years old and started rock climbing the following year. In 2017 he became the first person to complete the free solo and became the reference in this film.
Bah. "Everything's a record if you phrase it right." -- Keith Olbermann, talking about baseball
@@christopherheckman7957 Was that said pre or post mustache?
@@Craxin01 Post. It was a response to a tweet in May 2021. ("Albert Pujols of the Dodgers is the first player in MLB history to homer for two different teams in the same metro area before the end of May.")
@@christopherheckman7957 So, not when he was doing sports broadcasts.
@@Craxin01 It wasn't a political tweet, if that's what you mean.
The last sin with the "no's" was so funny
I always like your sins videos. But the sin about David Warner with stating "There are four sins" and then giving five was SOLID GOLD!
You could have added about fifty more sins for every scene with the rocket boots alone. Zipping past the deck levels in random and repeating order. Kirk and bones taking their hands and feet off Spock and somehow not falling. Whoever designed them to speed downward after turning upside-down, but then somehow still keeping Spock in the air before he turns right-side-up again. The fact that they don't have a medium setting -- just low enough to hold one but not two people, and high enough to shoot three people in the air at high speed.
Additional sin for the Star Trek's consistent inconsistency as to how long it takes to get to and from the center of the galaxy.
Another sin for Bones re-using the same "I'll end up talking to myself" joke from The Corbomite Maneuver.
Another sin for re-using the plot device of "man was not meant for paradise" that was a running theme in several original series episodes. However, one additional sin off for Kirk's "I need my pain" speech. That is iconic.
"Dont you have a nephew that could be doing this?" LOW BLOW MAN LOW BLOW! lmao
What's actually more insulting about Uhura's dance is that Nichelle Nichols actually sang that song and is a good singer, but they dubbed over it for some reason and didn't even tell her about it. She was very insulted.
19:23 All of my years on this planet flashed second by second before my eyes before Kirk could finish this sentence.
That Monty Python clip is exactly what I'm always picturing in that scene 🤣
This was the first Star Trek I saw in the theater when I was a kid so ever though it is not perfect it will always have a special place in my heart. I love the campfire scenes
Finally somebody called out the fact that it should have been Crusher as romance in Insurection. We all knew that he wanted to Mambo with her when he was younger and all..
lol I really hope you’ve seen the AMAZING Picard Season3...:(forget the awful previous two, they don’t even need to really be seen to get the third season...let’s just say it’s the most incredible send off for TNG ever and Picard/Crusher’s relationship is a central point to the show. Please watch it if you are a TNG fan. It’s better than EVERY TNG movie
I'm really not sure how this isn't at least 90 minutes long for this movie.
"Everything wrong with Star Trek V"
Then show the whole movie?
I've never understood why the skinny guy thinks Sybok is a Vulcan. If I saw a guy with pointy ears who was laughing, I'd have thought he was a Romulan.
Hooray for the Sam Kirk reference!
1:44 - *CORRECT!* That is the root of most if not ALL sins here. It deserved a dozen at least.
"... the gravitational well of Shatner's ego." - brilliantly stated!🥰
Sybok should have been Spock's teacher and mentor who was banished from Vulcan for teaching Spock to embrace his human side and his passions
Sybok knows a way to get a starship to come to the planet… but what about the ship he came to the planet on in the first place?
Good question ...
Now let's talk about your inner pain, everyone has one.
He swam there, of course.
He used the transporter that Reboot Khan used that transports someone from Earth all the way to Kronos.
He asked a bored Q to help him
@@mrcritical6751 Q: "Oh, you need to get to planet Paradise, you say? My friend, you're in luck! All you need to do is click your ruby red slippers together, and say 'There's no place like home', and you'll be there in a snap."
**SNAP**
Fun video on a slapstick, not-so-fun film. Thanks. :) Once thing, though. At about 17:04 you mention that Spock would not remember his birth. That is true for humans, but not necessarily for Vulcans. I think it was in the novelization of TWK where Saavik tells David that Vulcans do remember their birth experience. So, if the writers are drawing on that (at best beta-canon) factoid, then Spock recalling his birth is plausible. Alternatively, Spock's experience could be deeply buried in his subconscious and Sybok merely draws it up to the conscious realm, in which case this scene is Spock's first conscious recalling of his birth (note how he says, "I believe we are witnessing..." not "we are witnessing...").
I like this movie too. I like all Star Trek movies.
"What does God need with a starship?" is Kirk's "There are four lights!" In terms of retaining your individuality and resolute dedication to what is right despite the seemingly insurmountable odds.
Um, I think you're confusing 'I don't want you to take away my pain, I NEED my pain!', a line delivered whilst resisting brainwashing, with a line delivered like 15 minutes later, under threat of some jackass trying to steal the Enterprise, by pretending to be every culture's god.
No reference to the fact that Kirk says there have to other ships in the quadrant when there are only four quadrants in the entire Galaxy so of course there are other ships in the quadrant …
And no mention that they made Nichelle Nichols think her voice would be used in the dancing scene only to find out they dubbed in someone else’s voice
6:13 The most obvious sin (which has been overlooked here) is the not only that the deck number increase as they ascend the shaft (despite the opposite being true) but also that they go all the way up to 78 (Even though the ship only had 21 decks)
Yup, noticed that one too
Jeremy sins Spock for saying marsh melon, then misspells marshmallow. >DING!
I miss Leonard Nimoy.
Damn right!!! The greatest TV alien of all!
We all do!
The shuttle warping into the bay at warp 9, had me laughing my ass off.
I'll say it, I like this film! Yes, some parts are terrible. But the brig scenes, the thought that maybe they had actually found God before "what does God need with a starship?" and Sybok's realisation at the end are all great. He wasn't a villain, he had honourable intentions. Plus heaven is named after Sean Connery.
It's a flawed movie but there are definitely charming moments, and the concept of explorers focusing on self-exploration is fun.
McCoy was so underused that I always headcannoned "What does God need with a starship?" to be his line, because it should have been his line, were it not for Shatners ego.
*ding*
Love the Monty Python and the Holy Grail bit in the outtakes.
I might have gone with the Supreme Being yelling, 'Return what you have stolen" from Time Bandits.
(any chance of sinning Time Bandits?)
Define irony: For Sin Count 42, Jeremy jokes about McCoy reconfiguring Spock's library computer to misspell "marshmallow", while, in thr captions, "marshmallow" is, in fact, misspelled.
>ding!
I really like Kirk's speech when he said he need his pain, it makes us who we are...👍
Loved the video! Two missed opportunities though:
1. Giving a sin for the continuity in deck numbers when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were shooting up the turboshaft corridor with Spock's jet boots, and also for the Enterprise apparently having 78 decks.
2. The after credits scene, you could've shown the wide shot those rib--looking rocks, while playing the "Chili's I Want My Baby Back Baby Back Ribs" song.
I always loved the camping scenes in the movie. The mission wasn't very good, but I thought the shore leave stuff was good character development.
I always figured that the word "marshmallow" had somehow changed to "marsh melon" in 300 years.
Maybe they're all so drunk that they don't remember the real word? I hate it when that haggles.
MarshMALLOW. Surely?
I honestly just thought that's what they called them in America for years. When you've got crisps/chips, courgette/zucchini, aubergine/eggplant and dozens of other little changes, marshmelon didn't seem that weird.
Ah yes, the traditional snack of our forebears in the 20th century - a melon grown amidst the marshes.
Right after we screened this film Bones turned to me and said: "Dammit Jim! Why didn't you let Spock direct this one too?"
2:13 When I was a young man, I had the same jacket as Bones, here. One of my mother's cats decided that it was actually their's, and I could not make the synthetic wool around the neck, white again.
I still miss that jacket.
You didn't need to read that, anymore than I did write it in the first place, but here I am ending the comment, as you are still reading it... It was such a good jacket, way thicker than the one Bones is wearing.
I am SOOOO happy you used the tremors scene in he joke reel… perfect match, and I was thinking it as you did it!
I love stories like this where the antagonist has this convoluted plan when all he had to do was just ask Spock if the Enterprise would take him to the Great Barrier
That joke about Scotty's nephew was just low, uncalled for and totally didn't nearly make me spit my drink:D
Lawrence of Arabia is an awesome movie. As a confirmed fan who's seen David Lean's amazing movie more than once, let me tell you:
Lawrence did something. It's complicated, that's the easiest way to sum it up.
Well worth the watch!!
"Don't you have a nephew that could be doing any of this?"
Dark, dude.
Had no idea tupac's opening verse of pain came from this movie thanks for the knowledge
This movie is best summed up...."You've seen Shatner act now see him direct"
Hey, Little Shop Of Horrors had brilliant practical effects!! lol
This movie is special to me because a friend gave an audio tape of it to me in ‘94 so i used to listen to it all the time. So i still have it memorized. Especially the audio cues. ❤
There's nothing like watching a Cinema Sins video of a film you just absolutely adore. Warts and all, I love this movie. I've always kind of thought of IV as the mainstream/non-trekkie comedy but V always felt like a film just for them. Perhaps, specifically Shatner, but hey...I'd submit he'd earned it.
this movie kind of was going somewhere with a vulcan that genuinely had a legitimate new ideology and orthodoxy to challenge tens of thousands of years of dogma, which could unite more easily the vulcans and romulans, but instead they decide to make it as bad as possible
"What does God need with a cohesive plot?" 😂😂
When describing this film and it's relative quality to other installments in the series I use a two word comment that sums things up perfectly... rocket boots.
Kirks “hostage negotiating skills” consist primarily of flirting with a female alien on enemy’s side, in order to get her to help deceive her own people, and help him rescue the hostage. 😂
Thank god he was never in a situation where the enemy side is all male, he’d be completely lost
Well no sometimes he argues with a computer so it self destructs also
So, he is a James Bond fan.
(Spock) turned back to Calhoun. "Do you have a plan as to how to proceed, Captain?"
"I was considering going in there and hitting people until they give me what I want."
"Ah. The Kirk Manuever."
--from "Gods Above" by Peter David
@@phoenixnyc and considering Kirk’s fighting ability. It’s surprising that ever works. Lol 😂 But I guess if you are up against enemies that move like the Gorn, even Kirk can win.
13:00 Toilet cannot be used in space dock because it just ejects the waste into space. In space dock, that could be messy. All those workers out there floating in space and magnet-walking around the ship's outer surface don't really want frozen excrement bobbing all over their workplace.
You sin Spock getting the rocket boots from a locker nearby or something, but you don't sin that whole sequence for:
1) The brig somehow being at the base of the saucer section.
2) The bottom of the turbolift shaft looking like a carpeted hallway instead of an elevator shaft.
3) The turboshaft having almost 100 numbered floors when there are only 21 decks to the saucer section.
It could have been worse, you could have had Spock shout as they reached the top "I CAN SEE MY HOUSE FROM HERE!!!!!"
@@magnamaduin Well, numerous Star Trek sites said 21 decks in the saucer section, but I wasn't getting into minutia. The point is that it's not a skyscraper high in the center of the saucer!
I refuse to believe that Spock didn't know that carrying both McCoy and Kirk with the anti-grav boots would be too heavy.
"Don't you have a nephew to do things like that?" I like a good directors cut joke.
11:50 I just thought of something, why would you not start moving the Enterprise while the shuttle closes at a higher speed, then jump?
You would not be a sitting target then, and you could even approach like an aircraft turning for final.
Add one sin for misspelling “marshmallow” while suggesting McCoy got the computer in Spock’s room to misspell “marshmallow”
I scrolled so far to find pretty much exactly what I would have written word for word. Bravo!
Doomcock at Overlord DVD rationalized that this movie was a dream Kirk had overnight on the camping trip. It makes way more sense when seen that way.
How about a sin for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy being already in their commando uniforms and taking the time to change into their clean Monster Maroons so they can go down to a dirty planet?
They wanted to look their best for god! Sybok even got a haircut before heading down.
No Spock. If you pulled the trigger you would have ended Sybocks drinking habits. Vulcan hearts are where the human liver is.
Nichelle Nichols actually wanted to do the fan dance as dance and erotic dance is something she trained in and enjoyed. The real sin is they refused to let her and got a body double to do the dance instead which pissed her off.
And didn’t she sing the song too and it was dubbed in post? She was done dirty twice then..
"Pon your Fars"...haven't laughed like that in a while...thanks!
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that by the time Star Trek V was set, Pioneer 10 would still be well within the boundaries of the Solar System so there's no way a Klingon ship should be getting anywhere near close enough to it to be using it for target practice. By this point, it wouldn't have even reached the outermost limit of dwarf planet Sedna's orbit.
getting their own back on Pioneer 10 when Voyager 6 probe ("V'ger") destroys three of theirs in TMP.
Now the real question is whether The Final Frontier is better than the TOS episode that inspired it, The Apple (a group of Space Hippies, one of whom has a personal connection with one of hte crew, commandeer the Enterprise to fly off to Eden. With a 5 minute hippy rock concert in the middle, with Spock accompanying on the Vulcan space harp).
The TOS episode with the giant rabbit must have helped DeForest Kelley get his role in “Night of Lupus” lol 😂
"Lepus". It's never "lupus".
@@KasumiKenshirou what? You don’t remember the movie where Deforest Kelley’s character suffers at night from an auto-immune disorder? ;)
AMAZING! 22:48 is where the fun starts! 🤣
Jeremy if I ever meet you at a youtube con or something I promise right now I will buy you a beer for having to sit through this movie.
Much like Jesus, you've suffered greatly for sins. :)
2:00 "Someone in a Halloween mask." OK, got me with that one. Bravo.
also ... 'what does God need with a starship??' is the best line of the movie
I called it Star Trek V: What does God need with a Spaceship