My biggest grief with the movie was the plot centering around the entire TNG crew collectively being incompetent morons. Romulans commit an act of war, Data thinks it's the perfect time to install an emotion chip. Picard could have literally gone back in time at any point and saved the entire Enterprise, and not to mention he could have told Kirk he could just go back to the real world where he left off. All the characters just seemed off. Also, RIP ready room fish.
To be fair, Picard didn't know the Enterprise had been destroyed. Battle with the Klingons happened when was down on the planet, so he might have reasonably assumed they'd just warped away to safety when the nexus arrived. The rest you can explain by not wanting to alter history any more than necessary, but it's a flimsy premise, I admit
I think they tried to explain it by saying that one of Khan's augment buddies (called The Viking, maybe?) conquered most of Europe and was absolutely obsessed with all things British. One would suppose that most of those wishing to stay alive under his rule would adopt the culture in whatever means they could.
There's a line in a really early TNG episode where Data refers to French as an "archaic language", which irks Picard. In a much later season, when Picard goes home to visit his brother and his family, everyone in France seems to be speaking English.
IF The Nexus works like Soran thinks it does, wouldn't everything in the next 3 films be Picard's Nexus point of view? The saucer section had already crash landed before the ribbon smacked the planet.
@@allanbard6048 Yeah, but no one Picard cares about dies, he gets an upgraded ship out of it. Hell, he goes on to be a part of the most pivotal moments of the Federation, past and present.
Two things. First, the music for this movie is outstanding. The theme Dennis McCarthy wrote that plays through out is especially good during the horseback riding sequence. Second, I am so excited that we're here, cause it means my favourite ST movie of all time is next and I can't wait to see what you do with the horny Borg Queen!!
I’d say 1994-1997 was that peak period of trek mania. Then the slow but steady decline which seemed to accelerate after Voyager ended. The first nail was Nemesis, the final punch was cancellation of Enterprise. Personally I feel Paramount were totally foolish and idiotic for the release date they gave for Nemesis.. looking at the immense competition. In a better slot in the calendar it probably would have least made around 100mil and wouldn’t have bombed like it djd. As for Enterprise, that was never successful and its first two seasons sealed its fate ImaO.
16:49 I know it's because Picard isn't selfish, he doesn't think about his own needs, but I agree that his family should have been something he wanted to go back and save. Their deaths were written is as a bit of dramatic tention, a cruel fate for his extended family that brought nothing to this plot whatsoever.
@@brandonlyon730 Less disastrous? C'mon, you know the real reason he went back the way he did. The writers decided to make him do that. They painted themselves into a corner and just did what they thought they could.
I think part of the reason they killed off Kirk this way is a call back to Star Trek V where he said he always knew he'd die alone. Sure, Picard was there, but none of his friends were there which was more the sentiment he was going for I think.
Although william shatner went on to write a star trek book after this where the borg take kirks body and reanimate him. I think it ends with him turning on the borg and destroying one of their planets sacrificing himself in the process. Not sure how cannon it is though but the book did start with Spock standing at his grave where picard buried him.
It was right then that I first thought Isaac might be a mole for the Kaylons. Was surprised when this panned out, as I am usually clueless about these things….
11:33 The problem with Soran's line here is that there is an entire scene that was either not filmed or cut before it where he tortures Geordie by stopping his heart with an implanted device. The line actually makes sense then. The scene is well described in the novelization but not shown on screen. I guess they thought it was too much for a family friendly PG movie.
This scene was in the theater edition or as a deleted scene. I specifically recall the scene in the context of the movie, but not if I saw it in the theater or later on DVD. You can see the scene with Soran looking at Geordi slow and then cut. The torture scene was the continuation of that scene.
The "his heart just wasn't in it" line is not a "Is Geordi dead" game. In the book, and guessing in a scene that was cut from the movie too, they put some thing in his heart to try and get him to answer questions, like waterboarding him. Also you guys pointing out the saucer crashing as being awesome, I still remember my dad loving that scene in the theater because with the surround sound you could hear the trees falling all around you.
I remember there was a torture scene in the original script (along with a different “ending” for the main character) so I believe it was left on the cutting room floor.
I'm such a nerd that I came here to say this. It was a pun because they put a torture device on his heart in a cut scene, and Soran was referring to that torture device.
Yes, the device in question was a nanoprobe, which Dr. Crusher says she removed in a later scene that wasn't cut. Hearing that, I was like "What nanoprobe? When did that happen?"
For all those who haven't watched DS9, the Enterprise's crash landing in this movie is mentioned in an episode after a certain crew member of the Enterprise arrives to work at DS9.
@@darrenkeady6570 It's Worf! he was living on some monastery on Q'unos and Sisco sent for him to help with the Klingons on the station during the Klingon/Cardasian war. Miles is already on the station as chief of Operations and living on the stations
Malcolm McDowell's line reading of "They say Time is the fire in which we burn" has haunted me. He was so taken with it he got it engraved on his watch. It's a line from Delmore Schwartz's poem "Calmly We Walk Through This April's Day"
Shoutout to the Bozeman Cause and Effect reference. That episode was actually quite fun w/ an old ass Soyuz Class getting retrofitted hard to fight in the Battle for Sector 001.
I remember geeking out over the saucer crash landing because it was a thing they mentioned on page XX of the TNG Technical Manual. The Enterprise needed to put up more of a fight, it should've dispatched that Bird of Prey very easily. If I were re-writing this movie, I'd have the 1701-D be endangered from multiple enemy ships firing on it, not just one causing Geordi to just give up. The dramatic end that ship deserved. Saucer landing still cool though.
They should have had at least two Neg'Var types. Say the Duras sisters stole them. It was embarrassing for the D to go down like that. Reminds me of JFK and Oswald. Whatever you think about him working alone or as a tool of others seeing a great man dispatched by the ultimate beta boy (read up on him that's what he was) is sad. This is the same.
Yeah it's like a WWI era biplane vs an F15 Tomcat - which itself is like 30 years old. Just fire relentlessly at the Bird of Prey, everything you got - I'm sure it would go down without the need to make it cloak. Even at 14 I was like come on, that's just BS.
Several enemy ships (like say 5 or 6) and have the 1701-D destroy like 3 of them by itself. Eventually Starfleet reinforcements arrive to help handle the other 3 but by then the damage is done. I get why they did it the way they did because they wanted the Saucer crash landing, but I agree one old outdated Bird of Prey that should have been dispatched in like 2 seconds was not a fitting way for this ship to go out.
"Tuvok" was also one of the terrorists that Picard had to fight off in that one episode where he got trapped on the ship after everyone else left because he went back to get his saddle.
You missed the biggest sin of the movie: The destruction of the Bird of Prey focused on Data, instead of Worf. The Duras family was the major thorn in Worf's side throughout the run of TNG. The death of the two Duras sisters was a critical moment in the downfall of that family. The triumph of the scene should have been totally Worf's. Instead they went for a cheap laugh with Data.
21:08 I saw this opening weekend -- if not opening night -- in a 300 seat theatre in suburban west Florida. When Kirk died, the first three rows stood at attention, and rendered a hand salute... only about half of them in some kind of uniform. You could hear a Sprint commercial in the theatre.
I saw this in the theaters when I was a kid. I'd already watched all the TOS movies and TNG, so obviously I was hyped to see Kirk and Picard on the same screen. But even back then, I wondered why Picard, who had the ability to go anywhere and any _when,_ decided to go back to Veridian III. I thought he'd at least go back to the moment when he meets Soran in Ten Forward, which would've been the perfect time to stop him. However, I always found it interesting how Soran used his El-Aurian abilities to read and try to manipulate Picard in that scene. Just imagine an alternate timeline where Guinan still advises Picard, but is secretly evil and self-serving. "Time is the fire in which we burn" is such an awesome quote, especially in the context of how Soran uses it. It's great how they used a line of poetry and made it so sinister. It's one of my favorite lines in all of Trek. And hey, at least the Enterprise crashing was spectacular. I don't think we'll ever get to see practical effects like that in a Star Trek movie ever again. Good times.
Temporal prime directive. When presented with the opportunity to time travel, the temporal enforcers will probably let going back a few minutes to prevent a planetary disaster slide, but going back days to prevent a family tragedy (as the video suggests) they'd come and stop you. As for bringing Kirk with you, well, everyone thought he was already dead, you just needed an extra pair of hands, and he died almost immediately anyway.
2:00 CAPTAIN KIRK ABSOLUTELY was right NOT to intervene until asked. That's NOT a sin regardless what happens. He's NOT the captain of the Enterprise here.
The subtle reference to the TNG episode "Cause and Effect" and the Bozeman at 10:04 was awesome and played so straight you could hardly tell it was a reference to something if you weren't a complete trekkie-nerd!. Well played!
Couple of months ago I rewatched STG one of my alltime favorite movies and everytime on the solar observatory when the ensign says “you better take a look at this” I find my self saying “you better take a look at this cliché, bing!” out loud. Now here I am watching the Generations sins video and you actually sin that moment! Talk about a full circle experience 😅
Finally! Somebody besides me pointed out the fact that Picard could've gone back a week or so to save his brother and nephew from dying, which gives him all the time he would need to shut down Soran before he became a problem, but instead chooses to go back to three seconds before the star is destroyed and the situation becomes hopeless!? Even if Kirk and Picard did fail to stop Soran, they would've just kept going back into the Nexus and been able to keep "hitting the reset button" to try again. The movie is one big, giant, ridiculous plot hole.
I lost a lot of my Trek friends when I gave them my theory on what happened when the Nexus enveloped Picard: Everything we see AFTER that-including the helpless saucer section crash landing on the planet itself-is Picard in the Nexus. First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis were all told from his perspective. Nothing malicious, just Trek to have fun with.
Imagine how much better this movie would be if Picard *had* done that, and it did a little montage of all the secret background work Picard and Kirk did to change the timeline without being noticed, oceans 11 style, or the end of every episode of Hustle.
Always figured, yea, we could use a reason why he doesn't return to the beginning and arrest Soren. Could just say he intends to minimize the ripple effect, or rewrite it so the Nexus doesn't let him go just anywhere. As for preventing the fire, the bigger question is why firefighting isn't practically instantaneous. True; the Picards live on vineyards, in structures which could be the last firetraps on Earth. Still; you wouldn't think they'd be allowed off the grid, so fire crews could just beam over.
@@allanbard6048 If it's all just fantasy, that would explain the nonsense of Picard S2. Reality, and everyone's processing of it, cease to mean much as Picard grows gradually more senile.
If you recall in season 6 of TNG (ep: Tapestry), Q gave Picard the chance to go back and prevent himself from being stabbed through the heart. He does this and in the future is a Junior Officer not Captain. This lesson sticks with him which why he does not go back very far.
Let's also not forget that Data could have input the commands to search for those precious little lifeforms a lot faster had he just done it instead of to the tune.
Who says he didn't? Data is highly efficient, and scans never required that long to execute before, nor that many buttons. I'm willing to bet the scan was underway before he finished the first line of the little ditty. He then locked out his console so the buttons he pressed wouldn't affect anything, and when he was done, unlocked the controls. Which goes another layer when, in the next movie, he does this to the Borg Queen, albeit without a fun tune.
As a Trekkie, I found this hilarious. Generations is a good film, but it has sooooo many plot holes, and you spotted the ones I did! I like the film, but it is more like a TNG two-parter. The saucer separation and landing on the planet is superb.
One theory I've heard for Picard only going back a few minutes was so that if he and Kirk failed, they'd be pulled into the Nexus and could just try again (and again, and again, and again if necessary)
Yeah, but I laughed out load at the idea of saving his family first cause he could have! Pop up on Earth save his family and use his command authority to send in the fleet at the last second to destroy the probe so a paradox doesn't occur (don't know if they fleet would arrive in time to save the Enterprise though.
Another point: in the Christmas scene, Picard's Nexus children are all gathered around the Christmas tree. Most of the toys under the tree came from Walmart - I know because I was working in the toy dept. of Walmart when I saw the movie. So unless these are collectable historic items from the late 20th century, the Picard's shopped at Walmart and bought the cheapest stuff they could find for their kids. So I guess buy Walmart stock, as it will still be in business in the 24th century?
My favorite part of this movie is when Kirk is going into the bedroom to have a romantic breakfast with his wife. He steps through the door right into the barn with his horse. When I saw this in the theater it was all I could do to keep from bursting out, "His wife is a horse?!"
I still don’t get why rotating shield frequencies isn’t standard operating procedure when shields have been compromised. Wouldn’t they change frequencies immediately after the first two Klingon torpedoes hit? I’d think the Borg encounters would make that SOP. Also, I’ve always thought the Enterprise-D’s return fire here was a bit weak & slow. If shields are compromised and the opponent is pounding away shouldn’t Riker have ordered Worf to fire all weapons? And why does the Enterprise’s evasive action in this movie look like a cruise ship pulling out of Fort Lauderdale?? I know the Enterprise-D is huge but we’ve seen it move faster than this! Hit the gas, man!
Finally!!! Someone else who asked the same question I have asked since I first saw this movie!!! How many times have we heard Riker issue the order to “Rotate shield modulation!” anytime the Borg show up?! I’m of the opinion that the “Federation Flagship” could easily wipe out a outdated Klingon ship with ease, regardless of defensive tampering. I saw this movie opening night. I remember asking myself then why didn’t Picard go back to a time early enough to prevent this family’s death, prevent Soran from launching his weapon, and the destruction of his ship. This is the kind of short-sighted filmmaking I would expect from Jar Jar Abrams.
What's funny is if I remember correctly and Voyager they end up coming up with rotating shield frequencies as a way to combat the Borg but it's bonkers that it takes how many more hundreds of years for them to figure it out when they've had lots of Borg encounters before then
hence why i call it the plot death. realistically even if the BOP got those early hits in. the Enterrpise can easily destory her yet we see her just fly around and take pot shots. and note the model was given the 1701 E afterwards becasue the production team assumed the next enterrpise would be another galaxy. frankly this movie need mroe time i nthe writting.
Rotating shield frequencies was already in practice in Best of Both Worlds, as a way of prolonging shields against the Borg. Absolute writer fail here.
I can never forgive Riker's incompetence with the battle against the Duras Sister's ancient Bird of Prey. Remember that one episode called The Survivors, the Enterprise unleashed a full barrage of phasers and photons (ordered by Riker no less)? Just keep doing that until the BoP dies!
What I always thought was interesting is a few years after this movie was released; my father shown me a book called the return written by Shatner that continues from this movie and Kirk is brought back through alien technology by the Borg. It's only part of the Shatnerverse.
That's where TNG should have ended. None of the movies were very good. (But all were cinematic masterpieces compared to the JJ movies and everything since then.)
11:35 I've seen this movie a bunch of times including in theatres way back in '94 and I never thought that they were trying to imply that Geordi was dead in that scene, just that he had been tortured.
The decompressing main shuttle Bay joke was a deep iykyk cut and I'm all for it 😁🤣🙏🏽 Also even though I'm a massive trekkie, all the Star Trek movie sins have got to be my favorite videos on this channel👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🤣
😂 I just want to see that scene with Soran sitting there with his whole family and suddenly he’s lifted out of it only to be sweating in the blazing sun surrounded by 2 guys who want to punch him like “dude I DID this already wtf I was happy!!..”
Yes it's bothered me that if Picard came out of the Nexus before Soran went in to essentially prevent him from ever going in, why is it that Picard went in and then came back out before he himself went in? Doesn't it mean he didn't go in either? Is there a version of Soran that's still in there (like Guinan) from the earlier experience? Are there versions of everyone inside the Nexus also outside of it?
Yep. The greatest captain in all of Star Trek…and Picard. Although I guess "karma" is getting its revenge, when you see how piss-poor ST:Picard is. Star Trek is dead, and it died with the end of ST:Enterprise.
@@MollyOKami I haven't seen anything past ST Enterprise. I took one look at what they did to the Klingons and said, no way. I suffered through part of Stargate SGU, and wasn't willing to torture myself with seeing another beloved franchise being butchered.
I certainly haven’t forgotten. My therapist keeps telling me to let it go, but the movie sucked, and if no one wants to have me say that every morning…that’s THEIR problem!!!
One of the things the start off the movie tells us is that apparently 24th century Starfleet starship design engineers have the same release philosophy as 21st century game developers. Release the unfinished product with a lot of media attention.
I love your channel and this video. Note: a scene filmed but no effects were created since it was deleted, Scotty was in a space suit, and he threw the Champagne bottle at Enterprise B from space. He had de-suit, then join Kirk & Checkov… took too much time so they cut it.
You missed a BIG one. Scotty shouldn’t have been there. His ship had crashed on the Dyson Sphere before the Enterprise B had the run in with the ribbon. He had no idea Kirk ‘died’. He thought Kirk got the Enterprise A out of mothballs to come rescue him on an episode of TNG.
I thought it strange that the rocket for destroying the star seemed to get from the launch pad to the star in just a,matter of seconds. I also wondered why Picard didn't go back to before his brother and nephew were killed in a fire. He could have still stopped Soran -- even earlier!
20:19 Why assume the translator is in the comm badge? Original crew-members' communicators weren't in their badges. Only clue I can think of as to how translation functions remotely is that instance of Quark and his family men hitting their heads. Seems it's either an implant or a well-placed wearable.
13:58 Another reason this was unbelievably dumb: Following the encounters with the Borg, shield frequencies were said to be rotated regularly rather than being kept at the same frequency all the time. I also agree that it made NO sense at all to have it displayed in open view like that; there had even been problems with spies before. Honestly, the ship faired better against the Borg than it did with that old BoP. What incredible rubbish.
15:28 This has always bugged me, too. When they're separating the ship, where is everyone running to? Isn't the vast majority of the ship already *in* the saucer section?
also what are kids doing there? what's down there that's for kids? but even in TNG pilot you see entire families being shuffled out of the stardrive section with no explanation.
Sin for both the movie and the TNG pilot. Quarters are in the saucer. Sickbay is in the saucer. Schools, majority of labs and EVERYTHING is in the freaking saucer! Stardrive section is mostly engines, deflector, one of the computer cores, and a metric (bleep)ton of photon torpedoes. It should me mostly devoid of people that aren't engineering department.
The TOS Enterprise had the gym and pool in the engineering section. The Motion Picture Enterprise had that big rec room down there as well. But why anyone would be in either during a combat situation is strange. I assume that sick bay has a counterpart in the engineering section as well.
@@Azzameen99AZ If memory serves, the Enterprise-D's sickbay is right at the bottom of the saucer section (i.e. the worst place to be during a forced landing) so that's why they were evacuating
6:53 "We only know about Picards who are too awesome". May I direct you back to the episode post-borg Jean-Luc spent with his neo-luddite brother back on the vinyard?
15:12 Actually, Shatner is in this partly by ultimatum. He was against the idea of a Kirk death scene. He went ahead and did it because he preferred that to the alternative of letting them kill him off with mere dialog about his fate.
Regarding Starfleet not finding out about the Borg until the 24th century, they actually knew about them (or at least had a vague idea) since the 2150s, thanks to Archer going after the borg that were recovered from the north pole and then woke up and assimilated the scientists who found them. Which the next movie will set up nicely. All Q did was force the starfleet brass to say "okay, can't sit on this higly classified 200 year old intel any longer. Thanks John Delancy." There's also the plot point that the Hansen family (7 of 9 and her parents) were assimilated in the 2350s, long before Q's little stunt with the Enterprise crew. And the Hansens were actually STUDYING the borg, so yeah, Starfleet already knew. It's sort of bittersweat seeing the TNG actors back when they actually respected the roles they played. I can't stand to look at Patrick Stewart now, not after what the series named after him did to his character. And what was worse, Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes actively colaberated with Alex Kurtzman to destroy their legacy. And if what i've heard about what they're going to do to Worf in season 3 is any indication, then i guess Micheal Dorn doesn't give a shit either.
100% agree. Over the course of TNG and beyond, through the efforts of the writers and actors, these characters became icons of strength, decency, and moral character. But these days it seems that all the actors and writers care about is political ideology, and a paycheck.
13:08, poor Jonathan Frakes. I read somewhere that he is wearing Avery Brooks’ DS9 uniform and the sleeves are just four inches too short. If you ignore the issue, it’s just not happening? He’s the first officer of the Federation Flagship and can’t get a uniform fitted properly. 😅
This movie was insulting as a Trek fan. The Enterprise-D figured out ways to go toe-to-toe with a freaking Borg cube (even if for a limited time), yet the crew managed to forget all about that, then proceeded to be absolutely bitch-slapped by what is effectively the space version of an F-16 Falcon. They also downplayed Kirk's death to the point where it became meaningless. No homage was paid to him once the scene ended. Picard could've at least mentioned it in his log at the end of the film.
There is an episode of TNG called Starship Mine. In this episode a group of mercenaries are contracted to steal some tri-lithium, which is supposed to be highly volatile and extremely dangerous. They failed of course. But this episode fits with this movie. Soran was looking for tri-lithium. That episode may have been one of likely many attempts at acquiring the necessary tri-lithium for his plan.
Agreed. Lost a lot of my Trek friends from sharing what I thought was what "actually" happened with Picard in the Nexus. Once he went in, the energy ribbon hit the planet. The D saucer section had already crash landed so everything forward (First Contact/Insurrection; and Nemesis) was what Guinan told him the Nexus would provide.
15:28 In the show, main sickbay was shown to be in the saucer, with other wards mentioned in other parts of the ship, though Dr. Crusher was shown to be working in the main one so there should have been no evaluation, showing just how well the writers of them film paid attention to the source material.
My problem with the entire Star Trek series is that in ships with a crew of several thousand people, all the work is done by the captain, the first officer, the helmsman, the second officer, mostly the most important personnel. And they all have ship codes. I thought there were scouts in such an organization. soldiers and other personnel who might perform such tasks...
How would Picard, sans communicator, know that the ship half blew up and half crashed when burying Kirk? Until the shuttle shows up in the next scene to rescue him, I don't think Picard had any clue as to how or when he'd get off that planet.
I thought once you enter the Nexus that the only way you can leave it was to be torn away from it like at the start of the movie. If this is true, then Picard is still inside the Nexus playing out adventures in his mind, the Enterprise crew are all dead along with pretty much all life in that system.
I noticed you pointing out Kirk's knowledge of programming the deflector. My take on it comes from Search for Spock. As Scotty said, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." I think going forward, Starfleet focused their design around that concept. Pretty much standardizing the design of every ship and class in the fleet. Basically, if it works as efficiently as it's going to be, then don't change it on newer ships. So the relays on the Enterprise B are likely similar or even exactly the same as what it would be on the Enterprise A.
Sometimes I don't know what's better. The call out on the sins themselves, or the great voiceovers in the end credits. Fantastic!
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4:48 Damn, I've actually laughed out loud. Deanna's helmsman career sure is not the most uneventful. Tbf the second time she is asked to crash it, because the first one went oh so really well :D
1:13 technicality here…due to different eras of time being filmed/created after this was made The El-Adriana DID talk about the borg, but the “hysteria” they tried to convey was somewhat dismissed by the interviewers. There is also series based references to the El-Adriana being more perceptive of ripples and flows in time…it’s therefore conceptually plausible that they didn’t press the matter for fear of “contaminating the federations flow of progress” Both the El-Africans and other historical accounts of encounters, such as Cochrane getting drunk and ranting about his experiences during the following film, there were two researcher who ventured out to “see if the borg were real or nothing more than rumour and sensor-ghosts”…they took their daughter with them, whom we later meet as Seven of Nine
The biggest sin is not seeing Picard chew out Riker for loosing the Enterprise, or the shuttle pilot awkwardly explaining to the captain why they are not ascending into space to return to the Enterprise
Not gonna lie, it was awesome seeing two of my favourite captains together in this movie, I just feel like they could've done so much more with this premise. (SPOILERS!) And its a shame they took Kirk out how they did.
Troi crashing the Enterprise. I saw Marina Sirtis as a convention and she brought this up. She mused that in 7 season of the TV show they never let her sit at the helm but the one time they have her do it, she crashes the ship. Also, Spock and McCoy were supposed to be in this movie(they are in both the novelization and the comic book) but Leonard Nimoy wasn't satisfied with Spock's role and DeForest Kelly's failing health prevented him from being in so Chekov and Scotty were added instead and given Spock and McCoy's lines.
Sure, but this was a bit different. If he seriously screwed up, he could just go back into the Nexus and then try again, just as how he was able to redo the Veridian III sequence.
Technically it’s one mechanical heart to mechanical heart if you’re speaking canonically. Picard gets stabbed 305 years from now. Also, I’m so unbelievably happy you included and removed a sin for Data singing. Also also, 15:03 reminds me of Rick and Morty S6E5 with Ricks Sailor Moon transformation. I can just feel the savings..” Ok I’ve finished.
Every time I see Geordi La Forge, my brain all like: Butterfly in the sky I can go twice as high Take a look It's in a book A reading rainbow I can go anywhere Friends to know And ways to grow A reading rainbow I can be anything Take a look It's in a book A reading rainbow
11:33 the "His heart wasn't in it" was alluding to a deleted scene where Soren tortured Geordi by using nanoprobes to stop his heart when he wouldnt answer Sorens questions. Still a sin, just a different kind of sin.
13:54 the "seeing something on the bridge they shouldn't" that you brought up when the reporters are on the bridge in the beginning of the movie comes back when they use Geordi's visor to see something on the bridge!
3:18 YES! THANK YOU! I've always thought this was a much better death for Kirk than his "actual" one. Also, along the same lines, there should have been many sins for the entire IDEA that the Duras Sisters of all goddamn people are the ones to take out the Enterprise D. Seriously, *them?* I realize the writers were ordered by the studio to destroy the D, but why couldn't they have found ANY better secondary villain(s) to do it?
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"Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever."
Riker subtly admitting he never actually gave up the powers of the Q Continuum.
Would you though? Those are some nice powers
Q: He really believed it 😂😂
Riker: 😂😂😂😂😂
Data: *laugh in human emotions*
Or...he was making clones of himself all over the galaxy with transporter "accidents."
Or, it was a reference to his character Xanatos in the series Gargoyles who actually wanted immortality.
A Star Wars fan would say: that leave room for a FANFIC.....& a Disney Plus series. LOL Sorry, Paramount+
My biggest grief with the movie was the plot centering around the entire TNG crew collectively being incompetent morons. Romulans commit an act of war, Data thinks it's the perfect time to install an emotion chip. Picard could have literally gone back in time at any point and saved the entire Enterprise, and not to mention he could have told Kirk he could just go back to the real world where he left off. All the characters just seemed off. Also, RIP ready room fish.
that fish died awhile ago
To be fair, Picard didn't know the Enterprise had been destroyed. Battle with the Klingons happened when was down on the planet, so he might have reasonably assumed they'd just warped away to safety when the nexus arrived.
The rest you can explain by not wanting to alter history any more than necessary, but it's a flimsy premise, I admit
READY ROOM FISH😥! Tho in one of the books I read they were holograms.
@@ohnoimissed he have better chance stopping soron while he was onboard then just him and kirk
Not to mention preventing fire that killed poor Remy and co...
You missed the part where Data is reunited with Spot.
Gets me right in the feels every time.
And his reaction to to the fact they were going to crash land on the planet.
Was it a sin?
The cat's gender is spot on. Search about Data's cat's gender to know what I mean.
It's not Spot, it's Spock.
The reunion deserves 5 sins off.
One of the things that cracked me up from the very beginning of TNG was Picard being the THE MOST British Frenchman I've ever seen.
I think they tried to explain it by saying that one of Khan's augment buddies (called The Viking, maybe?) conquered most of Europe and was absolutely obsessed with all things British. One would suppose that most of those wishing to stay alive under his rule would adopt the culture in whatever means they could.
Tea, Earl Grey.
There's a line in a really early TNG episode where Data refers to French as an "archaic language", which irks Picard. In a much later season, when Picard goes home to visit his brother and his family, everyone in France seems to be speaking English.
I like to imagine that there was a mass exodus of Brits to France after WW3 which "contaminated" France's cultural evolution.
@@crystalward1444 Hot.
Based on the other TNG films, I like the theory that Picard never left the Nexus, which is why he turns into an action hero.
I dunno movie Picard can at least make decisions without checking with starfleet if he's allowed to poop first
IF The Nexus works like Soran thinks it does, wouldn't everything in the next 3 films be Picard's Nexus point of view? The saucer section had already crash landed before the ribbon smacked the planet.
@@allanbard6048 Yeah, but no one Picard cares about dies, he gets an upgraded ship out of it.
Hell, he goes on to be a part of the most pivotal moments of the Federation, past and present.
@@shanehudson3995 Not to mention as a star in his own TV show, where he miraculously survives again
I thought he was a robot in that?
Two things. First, the music for this movie is outstanding. The theme Dennis McCarthy wrote that plays through out is especially good during the horseback riding sequence. Second, I am so excited that we're here, cause it means my favourite ST movie of all time is next and I can't wait to see what you do with the horny Borg Queen!!
Then feast your eyes on this beauty.
ruclips.net/video/hUwHyoKGZKs/видео.html
Jumping the Ravine is one of my favourite tracks of all of the Star Trek movies 🥰
This was the height of Star Trek mania. Despite plot holes big enough to drive the Enterprise D through…I have a real soft spot for this movie.
And then came "First Contact", which was just stellar...yeah, pun intended
Below a soft spot is hidden rot.
@@Justforvisit Full redemption for ST:8
I don’t, the plot holes and contrivances keep me from enjoying the movie.
I’d say 1994-1997 was that peak period of trek mania. Then the slow but steady decline which seemed to accelerate after Voyager ended. The first nail was Nemesis, the final punch was cancellation of Enterprise. Personally I feel Paramount were totally foolish and idiotic for the release date they gave for Nemesis.. looking at the immense competition. In a better slot in the calendar it probably would have least made around 100mil and wouldn’t have bombed like it djd. As for Enterprise, that was never successful and its first two seasons sealed its fate ImaO.
16:49 I know it's because Picard isn't selfish, he doesn't think about his own needs, but I agree that his family should have been something he wanted to go back and save. Their deaths were written is as a bit of dramatic tention, a cruel fate for his extended family that brought nothing to this plot whatsoever.
He's also a Starfleet captain, he's aware of the temporal prime directive. Changing events that far back would be very dangerous.
@@Craxin01 And yet he still goes back to stop Sauron.
@@brandonlyon730 Less disastrous? C'mon, you know the real reason he went back the way he did. The writers decided to make him do that. They painted themselves into a corner and just did what they thought they could.
I think part of the reason they killed off Kirk this way is a call back to Star Trek V where he said he always knew he'd die alone. Sure, Picard was there, but none of his friends were there which was more the sentiment he was going for I think.
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Although william shatner went on to write a star trek book after this where the borg take kirks body and reanimate him. I think it ends with him turning on the borg and destroying one of their planets sacrificing himself in the process. Not sure how cannon it is though but the book did start with Spock standing at his grave where picard buried him.
"Amputating someone's leg for fun". When Isaac did it, it was pretty funny.
Dude, no shit, that was hilarious lol
It was right then that I first thought
Isaac might be a mole for the Kaylons. Was surprised when this panned out, as I am usually clueless about these things….
I way appreciated the reference.
To be funny he did it to Steve Smith who is the Meg Griffin of American Dad
Thank God you wrote this! I was scrolling through in fear no one else caught the reference!
11:33 The problem with Soran's line here is that there is an entire scene that was either not filmed or cut before it where he tortures Geordie by stopping his heart with an implanted device. The line actually makes sense then. The scene is well described in the novelization but not shown on screen. I guess they thought it was too much for a family friendly PG movie.
This scene was in the theater edition or as a deleted scene. I specifically recall the scene in the context of the movie, but not if I saw it in the theater or later on DVD.
You can see the scene with Soran looking at Geordi slow and then cut. The torture scene was the continuation of that scene.
The "his heart just wasn't in it" line is not a "Is Geordi dead" game. In the book, and guessing in a scene that was cut from the movie too, they put some thing in his heart to try and get him to answer questions, like waterboarding him.
Also you guys pointing out the saucer crashing as being awesome, I still remember my dad loving that scene in the theater because with the surround sound you could hear the trees falling all around you.
I remember there was a torture scene in the original script (along with a different “ending” for the main character) so I believe it was left on the cutting room floor.
I'm such a nerd that I came here to say this. It was a pun because they put a torture device on his heart in a cut scene, and Soran was referring to that torture device.
It was in the original cut here in the Uk.
Yes, the device in question was a nanoprobe, which Dr. Crusher says she removed in a later scene that wasn't cut. Hearing that, I was like "What nanoprobe? When did that happen?"
@@randr2141 Did the UK cut include Kirk space-jumping as per the action figure?
For all those who haven't watched DS9, the Enterprise's crash landing in this movie is mentioned in an episode after a certain crew member of the Enterprise arrives to work at DS9.
Miles.
@@darrenkeady6570 It's Worf! he was living on some monastery on Q'unos and Sisco sent for him to help with the Klingons on the station during the Klingon/Cardasian war. Miles is already on the station as chief of Operations and living on the stations
@@dellytancyl524 . Way of the Warrior.
@@dellytancyl524 The Klingons vs Kardashians
The music that was played during the Enterprise attack was played in a pre Worf DS9 episode.
I broke out laughing at your cause-and-effect reference. I love that episode.
Malcolm McDowell's line reading of "They say Time is the fire in which we burn" has haunted me. He was so taken with it he got it engraved on his watch. It's a line from Delmore Schwartz's poem "Calmly We Walk Through This April's Day"
Shoutout to the Bozeman Cause and Effect reference. That episode was actually quite fun w/ an old ass Soyuz Class getting retrofitted hard to fight in the Battle for Sector 001.
I remember geeking out over the saucer crash landing because it was a thing they mentioned on page XX of the TNG Technical Manual. The Enterprise needed to put up more of a fight, it should've dispatched that Bird of Prey very easily. If I were re-writing this movie, I'd have the 1701-D be endangered from multiple enemy ships firing on it, not just one causing Geordi to just give up. The dramatic end that ship deserved. Saucer landing still cool though.
Or have a single ship still, but one of more threat. Like a Vor'Cha class battlecruiser.
They should have had at least two Neg'Var types. Say the Duras sisters stole them.
It was embarrassing for the D to go down like that. Reminds me of JFK and Oswald. Whatever you think about him working alone or as a tool of others seeing a great man dispatched by the ultimate beta boy (read up on him that's what he was) is sad. This is the same.
He was using the force /s
Yeah it's like a WWI era biplane vs an F15 Tomcat - which itself is like 30 years old. Just fire relentlessly at the Bird of Prey, everything you got - I'm sure it would go down without the need to make it cloak. Even at 14 I was like come on, that's just BS.
Several enemy ships (like say 5 or 6) and have the 1701-D destroy like 3 of them by itself. Eventually Starfleet reinforcements arrive to help handle the other 3 but by then the damage is done. I get why they did it the way they did because they wanted the Saucer crash landing, but I agree one old outdated Bird of Prey that should have been dispatched in like 2 seconds was not a fitting way for this ship to go out.
"Tuvok is not a Vulcan in this scene" is now my favorite CinemaSins joke
"Tuvok" was also one of the terrorists that Picard had to fight off in that one episode where he got trapped on the ship after everyone else left because he went back to get his saddle.
And he was a Spaceball.
You missed the biggest sin of the movie: The destruction of the Bird of Prey focused on Data, instead of Worf. The Duras family was the major thorn in Worf's side throughout the run of TNG. The death of the two Duras sisters was a critical moment in the downfall of that family. The triumph of the scene should have been totally Worf's. Instead they went for a cheap laugh with Data.
Nice Catch!!
I would've accepted Worf and Data saying YES! At once
Very estute
But Worf was the one who got to kill them once and for all.
Dude, I died laughing when Data pushed Crusher in the water. Forget you, Geordi, that *was* funny. It's was frickin' *hilarious*.
Enterprise crew forgets they can jettison the warp core... ding!
Geordi forgets he can reset the shield harmonics... ding!
21:08 I saw this opening weekend -- if not opening night -- in a 300 seat theatre in suburban west Florida.
When Kirk died, the first three rows stood at attention, and rendered a hand salute... only about half of them in some kind of uniform.
You could hear a Sprint commercial in the theatre.
I saw this in the theaters when I was a kid. I'd already watched all the TOS movies and TNG, so obviously I was hyped to see Kirk and Picard on the same screen. But even back then, I wondered why Picard, who had the ability to go anywhere and any _when,_ decided to go back to Veridian III. I thought he'd at least go back to the moment when he meets Soran in Ten Forward, which would've been the perfect time to stop him. However, I always found it interesting how Soran used his El-Aurian abilities to read and try to manipulate Picard in that scene. Just imagine an alternate timeline where Guinan still advises Picard, but is secretly evil and self-serving. "Time is the fire in which we burn" is such an awesome quote, especially in the context of how Soran uses it. It's great how they used a line of poetry and made it so sinister. It's one of my favorite lines in all of Trek. And hey, at least the Enterprise crashing was spectacular. I don't think we'll ever get to see practical effects like that in a Star Trek movie ever again. Good times.
Temporal prime directive. When presented with the opportunity to time travel, the temporal enforcers will probably let going back a few minutes to prevent a planetary disaster slide, but going back days to prevent a family tragedy (as the video suggests) they'd come and stop you. As for bringing Kirk with you, well, everyone thought he was already dead, you just needed an extra pair of hands, and he died almost immediately anyway.
2:00 CAPTAIN KIRK ABSOLUTELY was right NOT to intervene until asked. That's NOT a sin regardless what happens. He's NOT the captain of the Enterprise here.
The subtle reference to the TNG episode "Cause and Effect" and the Bozeman at 10:04 was awesome and played so straight you could hardly tell it was a reference to something if you weren't a complete trekkie-nerd!. Well played!
Loved it!
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Bozeman returns for the battle in First Contact as well
That Bozeman joke was a pretty deep cut. Whoever writes these jokes knows TNG pretty well.
Couple of months ago I rewatched STG one of my alltime favorite movies and everytime on the solar observatory when the ensign says “you better take a look at this” I find my self saying “you better take a look at this cliché, bing!” out loud. Now here I am watching the Generations sins video and you actually sin that moment! Talk about a full circle experience 😅
Finally! Somebody besides me pointed out the fact that Picard could've gone back a week or so to save his brother and nephew from dying, which gives him all the time he would need to shut down Soran before he became a problem, but instead chooses to go back to three seconds before the star is destroyed and the situation becomes hopeless!? Even if Kirk and Picard did fail to stop Soran, they would've just kept going back into the Nexus and been able to keep "hitting the reset button" to try again. The movie is one big, giant, ridiculous plot hole.
I lost a lot of my Trek friends when I gave them my theory on what happened when the Nexus enveloped Picard: Everything we see AFTER that-including the helpless saucer section crash landing on the planet itself-is Picard in the Nexus.
First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis were all told from his perspective. Nothing malicious, just Trek to have fun with.
Imagine how much better this movie would be if Picard *had* done that, and it did a little montage of all the secret background work Picard and Kirk did to change the timeline without being noticed, oceans 11 style, or the end of every episode of Hustle.
Always figured, yea, we could use a reason why he doesn't return to the beginning and arrest Soren. Could just say he intends to minimize the ripple effect, or rewrite it so the Nexus doesn't let him go just anywhere.
As for preventing the fire, the bigger question is why firefighting isn't practically instantaneous. True; the Picards live on vineyards, in structures which could be the last firetraps on Earth. Still; you wouldn't think they'd be allowed off the grid, so fire crews could just beam over.
@@allanbard6048
If it's all just fantasy, that would explain the nonsense of Picard S2. Reality, and everyone's processing of it, cease to mean much as Picard grows gradually more senile.
If you recall in season 6 of TNG (ep: Tapestry), Q gave Picard the chance to go back and prevent himself from being stabbed through the heart. He does this and in the future is a Junior Officer not Captain. This lesson sticks with him which why he does not go back very far.
The clips at the end were some of the best this channel has ever done. Several of them got me laughing out loud.
Let's also not forget that Data could have input the commands to search for those precious little lifeforms a lot faster had he just done it instead of to the tune.
Who says he didn't? Data is highly efficient, and scans never required that long to execute before, nor that many buttons. I'm willing to bet the scan was underway before he finished the first line of the little ditty. He then locked out his console so the buttons he pressed wouldn't affect anything, and when he was done, unlocked the controls. Which goes another layer when, in the next movie, he does this to the Borg Queen, albeit without a fun tune.
@21:13 ~ "...notify Kirk's family..." WHAT family?? 🤨 He never married and never had any kids...well, none that survived, anyway...
Star Trek Generations is a Christmas movie confirmed!
Yes just like Die Hard!!!
Sci fi
@@Tomsm8 I’m a Time Lord
@@SlabBulkhead3k liar. you used the nexus and you know it lol
I’ve said it for years
As a Trekkie, I found this hilarious. Generations is a good film, but it has sooooo many plot holes, and you spotted the ones I did! I like the film, but it is more like a TNG two-parter.
The saucer separation and landing on the planet is superb.
One theory I've heard for Picard only going back a few minutes was so that if he and Kirk failed, they'd be pulled into the Nexus and could just try again (and again, and again, and again if necessary)
That might hold up. Seems simpler to suppose he's tryin'a minimize the ripple effect.
Yeah, but I laughed out load at the idea of saving his family first cause he could have! Pop up on Earth save his family and use his command authority to send in the fleet at the last second to destroy the probe so a paradox doesn't occur (don't know if they fleet would arrive in time to save the Enterprise though.
Of course, then he should've WENT BACK AGAIN when Bridgegate happened.
Um, what are you tryin'a tell us, there, @@legospaceman4978?
That bit with Frakes at the very end was just perfect. He was Xanatos after all, if anyone could actually pull it off, it's that guy.
Another point: in the Christmas scene, Picard's Nexus children are all gathered around the Christmas tree. Most of the toys under the tree came from Walmart - I know because I was working in the toy dept. of Walmart when I saw the movie. So unless these are collectable historic items from the late 20th century, the Picard's shopped at Walmart and bought the cheapest stuff they could find for their kids.
So I guess buy Walmart stock, as it will still be in business in the 24th century?
Oh wow that’s amazing haha
Nice nod to "The Orville" with the "cutting off the leg for fun" reference.
My favorite part of this movie is when Kirk is going into the bedroom to have a romantic breakfast with his wife. He steps through the door right into the barn with his horse. When I saw this in the theater it was all I could do to keep from bursting out, "His wife is a horse?!"
Hey, honey! Why the long face?
I don't need a lecture from you I was out saving the Galaxy when your grandfather was still in diapers. And plus I think the Galaxy owes me one.
I still don’t get why rotating shield frequencies isn’t standard operating procedure when shields have been compromised. Wouldn’t they change frequencies immediately after the first two Klingon torpedoes hit? I’d think the Borg encounters would make that SOP. Also, I’ve always thought the Enterprise-D’s return fire here was a bit weak & slow. If shields are compromised and the opponent is pounding away shouldn’t Riker have ordered Worf to fire all weapons? And why does the Enterprise’s evasive action in this movie look like a cruise ship pulling out of Fort Lauderdale?? I know the Enterprise-D is huge but we’ve seen it move faster than this! Hit the gas, man!
Finally!!! Someone else who asked the same question I have asked since I first saw this movie!!!
How many times have we heard Riker issue the order to “Rotate shield modulation!” anytime the Borg show up?!
I’m of the opinion that the “Federation Flagship” could easily wipe out a outdated Klingon ship with ease, regardless of defensive tampering.
I saw this movie opening night. I remember asking myself then why didn’t Picard go back to a time early enough to prevent this family’s death, prevent Soran from launching his weapon, and the destruction of his ship.
This is the kind of short-sighted filmmaking I would expect from Jar Jar Abrams.
What's funny is if I remember correctly and Voyager they end up coming up with rotating shield frequencies as a way to combat the Borg but it's bonkers that it takes how many more hundreds of years for them to figure it out when they've had lots of Borg encounters before then
hence why i call it the plot death. realistically even if the BOP got those early hits in. the Enterrpise can easily destory her yet we see her just fly around and take pot shots. and note the model was given the 1701 E afterwards becasue the production team assumed the next enterrpise would be another galaxy.
frankly this movie need mroe time i nthe writting.
Rotating shield frequencies was already in practice in Best of Both Worlds, as a way of prolonging shields against the Borg. Absolute writer fail here.
I thought the same thing when I first watched it!!
This was funny, one of my favorites. I love Star Trek. That line about the ship not facing the right direction is killing it..
I can never forgive Riker's incompetence with the battle against the Duras Sister's ancient Bird of Prey. Remember that one episode called The Survivors, the Enterprise unleashed a full barrage of phasers and photons (ordered by Riker no less)? Just keep doing that until the BoP dies!
Riker is the worst First officer
What I always thought was interesting is a few years after this movie was released; my father shown me a book called the return written by Shatner that continues from this movie and Kirk is brought back through alien technology by the Borg. It's only part of the Shatnerverse.
Fun fact: Dr. Soran (McDowell) is Dr. Bashir's (Siddig) uncle in real life
Imagine if “All Good Things” was the first TNG movie… it’s like being inside joy.
That's where TNG should have ended. None of the movies were very good. (But all were cinematic masterpieces compared to the JJ movies and everything since then.)
15:15 I always love the "somehow makes it into the script" sins and this one had me laughing hard 😂😂😂
11:35 I've seen this movie a bunch of times including in theatres way back in '94 and I never thought that they were trying to imply that Geordi was dead in that scene, just that he had been tortured.
There is a deleted scene showing the torture
That last ending mashup with Ryker **chef's kiss**
Can’t believe didn’t even mention Data finding Spot at the end and crying, that was the best part
He would have had to remove another sin, and you know Jeremy hates removing sins so close to the end.
@@IggyStardust1967 he could’ve added a sin for not seeing Spot again after that or finding out what happened to her.
@@IggyStardust1967 He could have just added more sins for killing Livingston, since that's speciesist.
@@jasonblalock4429 …..who
@@jasonblalock4429 WAIT THE FISH HAD A NAME?!
The decompressing main shuttle Bay joke was a deep iykyk cut and I'm all for it 😁🤣🙏🏽
Also even though I'm a massive trekkie, all the Star Trek movie sins have got to be my favorite videos on this channel👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🤣
😂 I just want to see that scene with Soran sitting there with his whole family and suddenly he’s lifted out of it only to be sweating in the blazing sun surrounded by 2 guys who want to punch him like “dude I DID this already wtf I was happy!!..”
Yes it's bothered me that if Picard came out of the Nexus before Soran went in to essentially prevent him from ever going in, why is it that Picard went in and then came back out before he himself went in? Doesn't it mean he didn't go in either? Is there a version of Soran that's still in there (like Guinan) from the earlier experience? Are there versions of everyone inside the Nexus also outside of it?
Seeing Picard and Kirk on screen in the same film was unforgettable
Yeah, because the movie they were in sucked
Yep. The greatest captain in all of Star Trek…and Picard. Although I guess "karma" is getting its revenge, when you see how piss-poor ST:Picard is. Star Trek is dead, and it died with the end of ST:Enterprise.
Worf: "GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"
CinemaSins: "grrr"
@@MollyOKami I haven't seen anything past ST Enterprise. I took one look at what they did to the Klingons and said, no way. I suffered through part of Stargate SGU, and wasn't willing to torture myself with seeing another beloved franchise being butchered.
I certainly haven’t forgotten.
My therapist keeps telling me to let it go, but the movie sucked, and if no one wants to have me say that every morning…that’s THEIR problem!!!
One of the things the start off the movie tells us is that apparently 24th century Starfleet starship design engineers have the same release philosophy as 21st century game developers. Release the unfinished product with a lot of media attention.
So the transporters and other things were paid DLC that was released while the game was still in beta?
I love your channel and this video. Note: a scene filmed but no effects were created since it was deleted, Scotty was in a space suit, and he threw the Champagne bottle at Enterprise B from space. He had de-suit, then join Kirk & Checkov… took too much time so they cut it.
Despite its flaws i love this movie.
Go watch well written Star Trek instead
@@monkeyzorr3090 Like Into Darkness? XD
@@monkeyzorr3090 ofcourse the ones with the original crew were much much better. But this feels like a very long tng episode and i cant help love it.
then you are flawed lol
Compared to the movies that followed, it was a good movie. I enjoyed it.
You missed a BIG one. Scotty shouldn’t have been there. His ship had crashed on the Dyson Sphere before the Enterprise B had the run in with the ribbon. He had no idea Kirk ‘died’. He thought Kirk got the Enterprise A out of mothballs to come rescue him on an episode of TNG.
i book recons that saying beign in the transporter jumbled his memories that he forgot kirk was dead
I think the Generations events are set before all of this
"Ding"
Thank you!
I have been waiting for years for you to do the TNG movies, and I even asked a few times!
I love this!
I thought it strange that the rocket for destroying the star seemed to get from the launch pad to the star in just a,matter of seconds. I also wondered why Picard didn't go back to before his brother and nephew were killed in a fire. He could have still stopped Soran -- even earlier!
20:19 Why assume the translator is in the comm badge? Original crew-members' communicators weren't in their badges. Only clue I can think of as to how translation functions remotely is that instance of Quark and his family men hitting their heads. Seems it's either an implant or a well-placed wearable.
13:58 Another reason this was unbelievably dumb: Following the encounters with the Borg, shield frequencies were said to be rotated regularly rather than being kept at the same frequency all the time.
I also agree that it made NO sense at all to have it displayed in open view like that; there had even been problems with spies before.
Honestly, the ship faired better against the Borg than it did with that old BoP. What incredible rubbish.
15:28 This has always bugged me, too. When they're separating the ship, where is everyone running to? Isn't the vast majority of the ship already *in* the saucer section?
also what are kids doing there? what's down there that's for kids? but even in TNG pilot you see entire families being shuffled out of the stardrive section with no explanation.
Sin for both the movie and the TNG pilot. Quarters are in the saucer. Sickbay is in the saucer. Schools, majority of labs and EVERYTHING is in the freaking saucer!
Stardrive section is mostly engines, deflector, one of the computer cores, and a metric (bleep)ton of photon torpedoes. It should me mostly devoid of people that aren't engineering department.
The TOS Enterprise had the gym and pool in the engineering section. The Motion Picture Enterprise had that big rec room down there as well. But why anyone would be in either during a combat situation is strange. I assume that sick bay has a counterpart in the engineering section as well.
@@Azzameen99AZ If memory serves, the Enterprise-D's sickbay is right at the bottom of the saucer section (i.e. the worst place to be during a forced landing) so that's why they were evacuating
@@ZoeMalDoran Middle of the saucer section, literally the safest place to be!
6:53 "We only know about Picards who are too awesome". May I direct you back to the episode post-borg Jean-Luc spent with his neo-luddite brother back on the vinyard?
15:12 Actually, Shatner is in this partly by ultimatum. He was against the idea of a Kirk death scene. He went ahead and did it because he preferred that to the alternative of letting them kill him off with mere dialog about his fate.
Then he wrote a novel (or had someone ghostwrite it for him) where Kirk is resurrected.
Right-oh, @@KasumiKenshirou
The Return was pretty trippy. Kirk resurrected by the Borg/Romulus alliance so he can assassinate Picard, for them.
The zoom-in on Riker at the very end was just the absolute best. Thank you.
Regarding Starfleet not finding out about the Borg until the 24th century, they actually knew about them (or at least had a vague idea) since the 2150s, thanks to Archer going after the borg that were recovered from the north pole and then woke up and assimilated the scientists who found them. Which the next movie will set up nicely. All Q did was force the starfleet brass to say "okay, can't sit on this higly classified 200 year old intel any longer. Thanks John Delancy."
There's also the plot point that the Hansen family (7 of 9 and her parents) were assimilated in the 2350s, long before Q's little stunt with the Enterprise crew. And the Hansens were actually STUDYING the borg, so yeah, Starfleet already knew.
It's sort of bittersweat seeing the TNG actors back when they actually respected the roles they played. I can't stand to look at Patrick Stewart now, not after what the series named after him did to his character. And what was worse, Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes actively colaberated with Alex Kurtzman to destroy their legacy. And if what i've heard about what they're going to do to Worf in season 3 is any indication, then i guess Micheal Dorn doesn't give a shit either.
We can only hope that Worf's pacifist line in the trailers turns out to be a joke when we get the actual episodes
@@ZoeMalDoran The only time I can remember worf ever cracking jokes were around Jadzia and Ezri, i doubt he'd do it infront of Raffi
Thank you, someone else actually remembered the early Borg were in ST Enterprise.
@@randr2141 that was actually my favourite episode of Enterprise :P
100% agree. Over the course of TNG and beyond, through the efforts of the writers and actors, these characters became icons of strength, decency, and moral character.
But these days it seems that all the actors and writers care about is political ideology, and a paycheck.
13:08, poor Jonathan Frakes. I read somewhere that he is wearing Avery Brooks’ DS9 uniform and the sleeves are just four inches too short.
If you ignore the issue, it’s just not happening?
He’s the first officer of the Federation Flagship and can’t get a uniform fitted properly. 😅
This movie was insulting as a Trek fan. The Enterprise-D figured out ways to go toe-to-toe with a freaking Borg cube (even if for a limited time), yet the crew managed to forget all about that, then proceeded to be absolutely bitch-slapped by what is effectively the space version of an F-16 Falcon. They also downplayed Kirk's death to the point where it became meaningless. No homage was paid to him once the scene ended. Picard could've at least mentioned it in his log at the end of the film.
This movie existed primarily as an excuse to trash the bridge set.
There is an episode of TNG called Starship Mine. In this episode a group of mercenaries are contracted to steal some tri-lithium, which is supposed to be highly volatile and extremely dangerous. They failed of course. But this episode fits with this movie. Soran was looking for tri-lithium. That episode may have been one of likely many attempts at acquiring the necessary tri-lithium for his plan.
I know I should be discussing how great a job you did sinning the movie but the "dun dun DUN!" broke me laughing it was so perfectly timed!!
3:25 TECHNICALLY, Kirk wasn't KILLED. He's alive in the NEXUS.
Agreed. Lost a lot of my Trek friends from sharing what I thought was what "actually" happened with Picard in the Nexus. Once he went in, the energy ribbon hit the planet. The D saucer section had already crash landed so everything forward (First Contact/Insurrection; and Nemesis) was what Guinan told him the Nexus would provide.
As much as I love watching the actual scenes of the movie or TV show or commercial itself, the end scenes are just always the best
10:05 Very nice call back to the time loop episode with captain Frasier
15:28 In the show, main sickbay was shown to be in the saucer, with other wards mentioned in other parts of the ship, though Dr. Crusher was shown to be working in the main one so there should have been no evaluation, showing just how well the writers of them film paid attention to the source material.
You mean, saucer material? Sry;)
My problem with the entire Star Trek series is that in ships with a crew of several thousand people, all the work is done by the captain, the first officer, the helmsman, the second officer, mostly the most important personnel. And they all have ship codes. I thought there were scouts in such an organization. soldiers and other personnel who might perform such tasks...
How would Picard, sans communicator, know that the ship half blew up and half crashed when burying Kirk?
Until the shuttle shows up in the next scene to rescue him, I don't think Picard had any clue as to how or when he'd get off that planet.
22:39 "We have entered orbit... of Veridian III" dddun dun DUUUUUUN
xD LOL
I thought once you enter the Nexus that the only way you can leave it was to be torn away from it like at the start of the movie. If this is true, then Picard is still inside the Nexus playing out adventures in his mind, the Enterprise crew are all dead along with pretty much all life in that system.
I noticed you pointing out Kirk's knowledge of programming the deflector. My take on it comes from Search for Spock. As Scotty said, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." I think going forward, Starfleet focused their design around that concept. Pretty much standardizing the design of every ship and class in the fleet. Basically, if it works as efficiently as it's going to be, then don't change it on newer ships. So the relays on the Enterprise B are likely similar or even exactly the same as what it would be on the Enterprise A.
9:28 - Picard's heart is also mechanical...
Came here to say this :)
Sometimes I don't know what's better. The call out on the sins themselves, or the great voiceovers in the end credits. Fantastic!
4:48 Damn, I've actually laughed out loud. Deanna's helmsman career sure is not the most uneventful. Tbf the second time she is asked to crash it, because the first one went oh so really well :D
to be fair the second time she was ordered to crash it
@@Revkor Yes, sure. The point was that if you need to crash on purpose, you ask the expert :)
1:13 technicality here…due to different eras of time being filmed/created after this was made
The El-Adriana DID talk about the borg, but the “hysteria” they tried to convey was somewhat dismissed by the interviewers.
There is also series based references to the El-Adriana being more perceptive of ripples and flows in time…it’s therefore conceptually plausible that they didn’t press the matter for fear of “contaminating the federations flow of progress”
Both the El-Africans and other historical accounts of encounters, such as Cochrane getting drunk and ranting about his experiences during the following film, there were two researcher who ventured out to “see if the borg were real or nothing more than rumour and sensor-ghosts”…they took their daughter with them, whom we later meet as Seven of Nine
The biggest sin is not seeing Picard chew out Riker for loosing the Enterprise, or the shuttle pilot awkwardly explaining to the captain why they are not ascending into space to return to the Enterprise
The Bozeman deep cut was phenomenal. Love it! lol
[Edit to add] And the Space Station uniform bit lol
Not gonna lie, it was awesome seeing two of my favourite captains together in this movie, I just feel like they could've done so much more with this premise. (SPOILERS!) And its a shame they took Kirk out how they did.
Bridge on the captain.
Look up the Kirk books Shatner wrote (or ghost wrote) and him being revived and having James Bond adventures.
The Delete Scene is the better one he goes out Fighting
After years of Kirk being on the bridge, it was only fair that the bridge got on Kirk for once.
0:23 Im sure every Ship and Star base has dozens of airlocks - turn off forced field - toss out bottle -force field back on/close hatch.
The "his heart was not in it" line was referencing a deleted scene where Soren was torturing Geordi by making his heart stop and start again.
“Time is the fire in which we burn.” 🔥 is the best part of this film. Malcolm McDowell chewing the scenery is the second-best part.
We've finally moved to next generation movies. I'm so excited
I had no idea I needed this right now. Thank you so much.
Troi crashing the Enterprise. I saw Marina Sirtis as a convention and she brought this up. She mused that in 7 season of the TV show they never let her sit at the helm but the one time they have her do it, she crashes the ship. Also, Spock and McCoy were supposed to be in this movie(they are in both the novelization and the comic book) but Leonard Nimoy wasn't satisfied with Spock's role and DeForest Kelly's failing health prevented him from being in so Chekov and Scotty were added instead and given Spock and McCoy's lines.
To be perhaps more then fair Picard already learned a lesson about fucking with his own personal timeline in Tapestry.
Sure, but this was a bit different. If he seriously screwed up, he could just go back into the Nexus and then try again, just as how he was able to redo the Veridian III sequence.
Technically it’s one mechanical heart to mechanical heart if you’re speaking canonically. Picard gets stabbed 305 years from now.
Also, I’m so unbelievably happy you included and removed a sin for Data singing.
Also also, 15:03 reminds me of Rick and Morty S6E5 with Ricks Sailor Moon transformation. I can just feel the savings..”
Ok I’ve finished.
Fun Fact: Sickbay IS in the Saucer Section. It's almost as if the scene was added just to give Gates something to do.
They’d have multiple sickbays..
2:08 That joke caught me off guard!
Holy shit. This is more closure than therapy.
Every time I see Geordi La Forge, my brain all like:
Butterfly in the sky
I can go twice as high
Take a look
It's in a book
A reading rainbow
I can go anywhere
Friends to know
And ways to grow
A reading rainbow
I can be anything
Take a look
It's in a book
A reading rainbow
Perhaps there's a cream you can buy for that condition.
11:33 the "His heart wasn't in it" was alluding to a deleted scene where Soren tortured Geordi by using nanoprobes to stop his heart when he wouldnt answer Sorens questions. Still a sin, just a different kind of sin.
13:54 the "seeing something on the bridge they shouldn't" that you brought up when the reporters are on the bridge in the beginning of the movie comes back when they use Geordi's visor to see something on the bridge!
3:18 YES! THANK YOU! I've always thought this was a much better death for Kirk than his "actual" one.
Also, along the same lines, there should have been many sins for the entire IDEA that the Duras Sisters of all goddamn people are the ones to take out the Enterprise D. Seriously, *them?* I realize the writers were ordered by the studio to destroy the D, but why couldn't they have found ANY better secondary villain(s) to do it?
They got ripped off(like Doc Brown-build-a bomb-level ripped off)...cos trilithium was mentioned in TNG. They've got friends in low places.
@@allanbard6048 Doc Brown was really a time traveling Klingon in disguise.
well they could have work if they were given a Vorcha