I used cheap braided line, honestly, I saw no difference. Used 50lb braid with 80lb mono leader line on a popper and got a 18lb GT on my second day. I’m sure power pro is stronger but with my type of fishing in Hawaii, everyone goes 50+ when prob only 30lb is needed. I usually buy high quality mono and whatever cheap braid for my mainline. Works just fine.
It's the same as " cheap braid " that is like 5x more but if you want it to be 8strands the ebay stuff doesn't give it to you when if you order 8x you will get 4x
Ive tried a bunch of the cheap stuff and never had an issue. Pulled in some big tuna, sharks, halibut, barracuda and so on. If its fresh, your knots are good, you dont simply horse in your fish and use your drag it all works.
I use it for making bow strings for my 40 & 45lb recurve bows at about $5 a string compared to the normal $25 - $30 archery stores charge, and haven't had on break yet! I normally make 12 to 14 strand continuous loop strings with 60 - 100 lb braided test fishing string.
Hi,I Use The Green 40Lb Test The Cheap Kind From China,Had Great Success With It.If I Get Snagged In The Bottom Just Pull On The Line Will Straighten Out The Hook Before The Line Will Break.In My Opinion Cheap Chinese Braid Is Great For The Price.
I've dragged a 6 foot spinner shark across the first sand bar, and landed many of 5+ alligator gar with 4 strand Chinese braid. The price difference is night and day when loading up a Penn 12/0.
Hey boss! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach. My biggest concern is abrasion resistance. Do you fish for shark from the beach? Have you had problems with the line braking? How often do you replace it? Thank you
Good test if you plan on vertical jigging for barbells. You’re not taking rod flex or reel drag into consideration. Almost never will you subject line to a 15 pound straight pull in real life fishing unless you’re hoisting big fish up onto a pier or something equally dumb. I’ve used this line and it’s performed just fine for me. But then, I let the rod and my drag do the heavy work.
I love that you introduced the knot variable. So many people make posts that whatever brand 30lb braid snapped lifting 10lb's of weights. I suspect most of them attached with horrible self defeating knots (probably slipped rather than breaking). I must admit my braid experience has been fishing for large mouth bass and my biggest issue with it was that it WONT break. You will break a rod before snapping off 20lb Stren. Of course I always used a mono leader, but if that braid ever made it into the snag you were done. Or heaven forbid had a backlash (can happen to the best of us at times).
I fish for monster catfish and depending on the cover I use anywhere from 40-80 pound test braid. I have been using a cheap Chinese line for a while (3yrs) now and have not yet had an issue bringing in fish up to 75 pounds.
Maybe it was just this particular brand that failed. I have two others I need to test. Do you use the same brand or have a recommendation on what is reliable? thx!
This is my experience with UHMWPE, Dyneema/Spectra braided lines. As a background, I led a team of expert kite builders and we broke the Guinness World Record in 2014. One of the team members is a kite wholesaler and also sells bulk braided lines, mostly Innotex Spectra and Dacron. We spent 1 week each year over a 9 year period flying a 12 sq. metre kite to high altitude fro a remote region in Australia. This culminated in us reaching 16,009 ft above the altitude of the launch point. initially used 200 lb Spectra 900 in 2004 but switched to Dyneema in 2005To reach that altitude we used 12,400 metres of UHMWPE line. The line we used for the record flight was 6,000 metres of SK75 300 lb Dyneema and 6,200 metres of SK78 350 lb . Dyneema. The 300 lb SK75 Dyneema was purchased from Amika in Taiwan with Dyneema fibres made by Toyoba in Japan. This Japanese company was one of three licenced by DSM Dyneema in Holland to use the patented gel spinning pultrusion process to manufacture these fibers. The other was Honeywell in the USA who sold the licence to Allied Signals in the USA. This version of micro fibre is called Spectra. The US braiding companies still purchase the fibre, as far as I am aware, from Allied Signals. I have purchased and been sponsored with large quantities of line over the years of my record attempts. The following are the lines I have used or still have in storage and I'll go over the structure of braided lines, testing, knots and splices. The reason I mention the 3 sources of legitimate UHMWPE fibre is that it is very unlikely that Chinese manufacturers of braided line will use the more expensive but higher quality fibre. They are mostly lying con men (or women) in my experience. There may be some genuine manufactures but seem hard to find IMO. I will also go into some detail about Chinese manufacturers and the efforts DSM Dyneema has made to take the counterfeiters to court. Spectra 900, 200 lbs, 8 weave, 11,000 metres, 0.8mm diameter, 4% stretch (line manufacturers use some different terms for the fibre bundles such as weaves and carriers but they mean bundles of microfibres that are braided into completed lines. Spectra is a brand name for fibres used to manufacture ropes, cords and line. The manufacturing process was invented by DSM Dyneema of Holland. They licenced two major companies to use the process. Toyobo in Japan and Honeywell in the USA. The licence was sold to Allied Signals in the USA and the brand remained Spectra. The differences between Dyneema and Spectra are not great apart from the occasion leap frogging in specs. such as Dyneema SK60, SK71, SK75, SK77 and Spectra 900, 1000 etc, etc. There are enthusiast that talk absolute non-sense about the superiority of Spectra over Dyneema. I found Spectra was generally more expensive when sourcing large quantities. I believe I write with some good experience after accumulating over 65,000 metres of braided lines including samples of all the ebay Chinese lines. Most are rubbish but I found two brands out of 15 that actually had a breaking strength equal to or exceeding their claims. Dyneema SK 75,, 300 lb, 8 weave, 12,000 metres, 0.75 mm. Amika Taiwan, Fibres, Toyobo Japan Dyneema SK 78, 100 lb , 8 weave, 6,200 metres, 0.5 mm,, 180 lb 0.62 mm, 8 weave, 6,400 metres. 250 lb 8 weave, 0.72 mm, 6,200 metres, 350 lb, 8 weave, 0.83 mm, 6,400 metres. 559 lb 0.95 mm diameter. 8 weave, 6,400 metres all MFG by Cousin-Trestec, France.and fibres supplied under sponsorship DSM Dyneema Holland. These lines were worth approximately $15,000 retail. All of these genuine Spectra and Dyneema lines broke within 2% of the stated strength and mostly exceeded the stated breaking strength. Prior to 2004 or was doing a lot of testing of smaller kites at low altitudes that is, under 3,000 ft. I was investigating. testing and eliminating line types. which were mainly various monofilament nylons and dacron, One common theme was that knots, no matter how good, always weaken line to some degree. I use Daho splicing needles to join lines and I have so much practice that i can do a splice in less than 30 seconds. Splices maintain minimum 190%+ of line strength because they are double line thickness. No matter how good lines are, they eventually need replacement due to abrasion and UV exposure. Even so the Toyobo/Amika Dyneema has only lost 3% of it's strength after 14 years. In 2015 I Purchased 20,000 metres of Jeely (China) Ultra High Molecular Weight PolyEthylene (UHMWPE) line. I should have requested a sample but I purchased 20,000 metres of line for $1,500 sight unseen. I should have known better but I hadn't purchased a great deal of stuff from China and no line before. It tested consistently at 160 lb. I gave the line away to my Kite shop team member to make line sets for kids kites. The company owner was very defensive and denied any wrong doing and said my test methods must have been flawed. I have a hydraulic test gauge made by an engineer in the USA. It is accurate to better than 1%. On ebay I have messaged several sellers of line that they advertised as Spectra Dyneema. I pointed out that it is impossible for a product to both Spectra and Dyneema simultaneously. I got a reply from one promising to remove that claim. The others apparently don't give a s..t. DSM Dyneema had some success in China taking some manufacturers to Chinese court but it's like putting up and umbrella against a tidal wave. I save buyer beware and if you pay peanuts you are going to get rubbish. ohsonline.com/articles/2009/07/28/dyneema-files-ip-case.aspx www.ibinews.com/home/dsm-dyneema-files-patent-lawsuit/7610.article pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i04/8404DSM.html www.dsm.com/products/dyneema/en_US/about/press-releases/press-releases-2017/DSM-Dyneema-wins-significant-patent-case-in-Israel.html I have three expert advisors, Kees Van Luijk, owner of Tasline in New Zealand, Go Matsuoka, manager of Toyobo Japan's IZANAS fibre manufacture and John Kiker, owner of Twinline in the USA. I am learning from these experts constantly but there is one clear principle that anyone can understand. You get what you pay for and if you pay low prices you get low quality generally speaking unless you are a very astute buyer of high quality bargains. I have observed that fishing enthusiasts are often suckers for a catchy name and nice pretty packaging with pictures of big fish on them. The Chinese manufactures know the gullible will fall for suggestive titles, fakes and very low prices. I fell for a bargain 10,000 metres of 200 lb line in 2013. I didn't follow my own advice. Get a sample first, test it, check it out. $1500 down the drain. The company owner couldn't give a s--t and just denied everything. Most people may not see the difference between 200 and 160 lb because they may be only putting 100 lb stress on the line. I have an accurate hydraulic test rig that can test up to 600 lb. within 1% accuracy. The same with lower strength lines. If it's 16 lbs test instead of 20 lb most people wouldn't know because they are catching 2 - 3 lb fish mostly. So how would they cut corners? The obvious one is to use a mixture of strong fibres such as UHMWPE and Dacron a type of nylon. For instance I specified a hollow braid from Jeely so I could splice my lines. there was some fibres in the middle of the line which could have been Dacron . This solid core prevented me from splicing the line.The line was 0.8 mm which should have tested at lest 200 lb if it were made from genuine UHMWPE fibres. The DSM Dyneema SK75 from Holland is 300 lb and 0.75 mm. Why was the jeely line 0.8 mm and 200 lb? The answer is obvious to me. It is also possible to make the actual braid from different fibres by either mixing the microfibres or by alternating one weave strong and one weave weak. They could also use weaker microfibres that are the result of cheaper chemicals or a cheaper process. Dirty chemicals, dirty machinery, dirty extrusion medium , lots of ways to produce inferior products and it comes down to money. they all want to undercut each other and the only way of staying competitive is to trim costs. That's ok but you must be honest and not call a Rolls Royce Phantom a Lada Niva. I have a new sponsor, Toyobo of Japan with their UHMWPE fibre called Izanas. They call it SK 777 and is equivalent to the Dyneema SK75. They are supplying fibre to Tasline, a New Zealand fishing line company. This sponsorship deal enables lines to be made by a supporting braiding company for the kite altitude record . Tasline has just purchased a large quantity of Izanas fibre which is coincidental to our existing informal line braiding sponsorship. I have no doubt the lines made from Izanas will be top quality as was the Dyneema line we used the break the kite altitude record. DSM Dyneema fully supports the manufacture of UHMWPE by Toyobo using their patented process.. By the way, my team is going for 25,000 ft in August next year plus 40,000 ft. for the kite train record in future years. I am crowd funding through GoFundMe and FaceBook. You can see my web site at kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/High_Flying.html Bob Moore
I've used the power pro from China. Comes in same box and same stickers. £5 including shipping to UK. No problems with it. Caught 40lb conger in full flow of Bristol channel using 10oz gripper leads never snapped on me yet.
I "AGREE" with Steve Weiss. @Kayak Hacks Fishing Sir, my friend uses Power Pro 40lb and I am using Hercules (chinese brand) 40lb and both of us pulled in 45in King Mackerel and bigger, fine. The difference is his line cost more than $100 for 1000m and mine cost ~$50 for 2000m. Very cheap chinese line, but effective. This brand is sold in Ebay and as well as in Amazon.
The pound rating on fishing line is determined under static loading. When you pull up that fast, not only are you increasing the load, you're throwing impact resistance into the equation. Either way, proved your point
Heads up! On our West Coast forum, Northern California Kayak Anglers (NCKA.org) the general consensus is that while kayak fishing, we don't run a main line that's over about 35# due to the difficulty of successfully breaking it off without rolling the boat. Yes, we use 40# or 50# leaders for toothy and abrasive fishing, but keep the running line limited, AND we'll use something less than the running line so that that is what breaks off rather than shortening our main line. Remember, the whole point of drag and rod flex is to allow us to use lightweight lines without breakage -- this arrangement allows us to land some seriously big fish with disproportionately light line.
There's a privately manufactured braid called Dynema Spectra which is also about $7 per 100m and it excels at everything except cut and bend resistance but is a very supple line and makes excellent leader material. Typically adding a barrel swivel to tie on the leader instead of using a uni knot yields much better performance.
I don’t have enough experience with braid to have a very informed opinion. But I will say that I recently caught two 36 inch red drum on a cheap amazon braid. Granted it was 40 lb test. I haven’t ever attempted to use anything under 30 lb test.
i use the exact same braid as the one shown from from gagadaijin. this braid has extreme line tension strength but extremly weak knot strength. my research lead me to believe that any knot on this braid will fail at 1/4 of its strengh. my secret, get anothet braid preferably double the thickness of ur mainline anf use it to plat your mainline down to your terminal tackle then do your knot. all the tension will be taken up by the plat onto your larger line. the tension will be reduced dramatically by the time it reaches ur knot. i use 70lb braid. my mono leader at 100lb breaks and this is at mid way. not at the knot. dont tell any one. it took me over a year to come up with this. no stingray, shark fish has broken me off. ive had to cut it because i couldn't be bothered fighting it.
I just bought 2000 meters of 16 Strand 130 lb hollow core braid from Ashconfish which is definitely made in China. I don't personally care about where my fishing line is made. For that matter, I think that when people (self included) shop on Amazon and buy from a "US seller" they forget that soooo soooo much of what is on Amazon is just people reselling bulk-purchased goods from China just north of Hong Kong. At $160 for 2000 Meters (2187 yards) versus Seaguar $358 for 2500 yards (made in China) I think we have a winner. However, If I lose that big fish due to a break mid-braid I promise I will switch to good ole American made just on principal alone LOL.
Ouch... I'm so ashamed. Thank you for bringing that to my attention! On a related note... Is anyone here looking for cheap fishing gear? I guess I should quit fishing because I don't meet the standards of some cuckold troll on youtube.
in my limited experience i have found the chinese stuff is mismarked for lb test , go by it's diameter rating , and it is close to the name brad stuff , example just ordered some 40lb braid that is .28 in diameter , so it is 30lb test and that is were it breaks every time i tested it, had the same results with other lb test ordered on ebay and aliexpress , btw that 40lb [actually 30lb] braid cost 11 bucks for a 1000 meters shipped to my door from aliexpress ...
I wonder what the real breaking strength was. Hopefully, at 100#, you had plenty of room for error. BTW... Southern Kayak Fishing magazine has started back up after a pause while they looked for a new editor. The milk crate article should be in the next issue... maybe it comes out in May.
I use the cheap 30 lb braid for rockfish {rock cod, rockbass) with a 27lb stren leader and have never broke a line with a fish and and when I snag the rocks I always break the leader < I also use it surf fishing for surf pearch and the only problem is windknots, I also use cheap e bay hooks with no problems but use new hooks every day, I know lots of people using the e bayimported braid
Buying cheap is not usually a good thing when it comes to braided fishing line, i have done many strength and abrasion tests with all brands of braided line. My favorite is Sufix 832 advanced superline braid
@Quirin M. Yeah I have used j braid. For the price it's good but for 10 to 12 more bucks i get the sufix everytime. I used to use j braid when I bass fished. Last 5 year's I have went to mostly cat fishing from spring to fall and carp fishing. But I go 2 and sometimes 3 times a week. I fish some rocky places and sufix 832 superline does so well for a braid in the rocky areas. Very abrasion resistant and plenty strong too. I use sufix mono on my trout rods and my wiper rods. Very good stuff as well.
The first time I bought cheapo Ebay braid - It was excellent. Never a problem all season and decided to replace the mono on my second reel with another spool of cheapo line. NEVER again. First cast - snap. Watched my lure go flying into the sunset....... more than three snap offs and wind knots galore. I never looked back and invested in power pro, suffix 832 ever since. Line ties you to fish and not worth chancing over a 10 dollar difference.
I use to use mono too, but switched to PowerPro because I got tired of leaving my expensive lures at the bottom of the lake or hung up in a tree. With the braid I can easily retrieve my lures and reel in the big ones. PowerPro may cost a bit more, but when you're talking about losing a $16.00 Whopper Plopper, or not, it's a lot cheaper to buy quality line. I looked at getting some of that cheap, Chinese crap, but talked myself out of it. Glad I did.
I bought a spool of Fox Rage Torque 20lb yellow braid a few weeks ago, that stuff is crazy strong. First time I took it out on the Trent with a Shimano baitcaster and a ten foot Shakespeare Mustang, I trucked in a chunk of tree that must have weighed 70 pounds. Took two of us to haul that thing out of the water. Line was completely unharmed.
I use Hercules PE braid. I catch anything from 5lb Spanish mackerel to 600lb bull shark with it. Love that stuff. I can get 80lb 1000m for $25.....to me it’s good stuff
Hey boss! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach. My biggest concern is abrasion resistance. Do you fish for shark from the beach? Have you had problems with the line braking? How often do you replace it? Thank you
The cheap 20lbs braid might lose, but the 40+ lbs will be closer to the expensive ones. I had one (Pilot) hold a 10 ft alu boat with 3 people against current. Also broke a 1.5 inch branch of the bottom.
The smell goes away really fast, the kastking line is the actual strength that they say it is and power pro is alot stronger than it says it is, your knot strength was probably around 60% if you tie a good knot that is 80% or more you will have success with kastking.
$300 rod....$275 reel....$15 plug....trophy fish on.....and you want to save a few bucks on line. Doesn't make sense to me. Bottom line..you get what you pay for.
bought some called Ger Super in 10 15 20 25 and all the way up to 90 lb. When it got here the wife made me take it to the garage cause the smell was horrific but within a few days in the fresh air the smell was totally gone. It works great for gills and walleye and will give that 90 lb a try this spring on a couple of my froggin combos and will see if it can haul them out of the reeds and Lilly pads. I figure if it's cheap 90lb it might be closer to the more expensive 65lb I would normally use with frogs. Thanks for your videos
Looking at this - www.aliexpress.com/item/SARATOGA-8-strand-300M-6-300LB-Fishing-Line-Ocean-Rock-Fishing-Braided-Wire-Floating-Line-Grey/32700034395.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.103.r8kiXH&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10178_10137_10111_10060_10112_10113_10155_10114_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_5360020_10189_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051,searchweb201603_13,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=5c51e6f7-58e4-4305-9e34-03437abe01d4&algo_expid=1d32869a-414d-49b9-a216-3a03b3571ebd-13&algo_pvid=1d32869a-414d-49b9-a216-3a03b3571ebd
I did similar tests with similar results. Then someone mentioned the ebay 4 strand is junk but the 8 strand is as good as any. I target snapper and kingfish in New Zealand so use 30lb to 80lb depending on the target fish. I recently tried some ebay 8 strand 80lb. It was ever so slightly thicker than the more expensive braids I use. Every test i did the ebay braid won. That's not to say it's better. I'm guessing it's probably the same as the big brands but they mislabeled 100lb as 80lb (hence the thicker strand) I've actually been fishing it for a few months now and I can't fault it. I just get white as i don't trust dye leakage and as you mention smell of the cheaper brands. I kite fish live bait from the beach so have around 1500 meters of 80lb. Costs about $45nz on ebay or $250nz+ for the name brands at my local tackle shops. I've noticed some 16 strand around now in the weight class i fish so may give that a go next time I need line. Great video. Will save some people waisting time or losing the big fish of the day.
Wow! Thank you for that info and I amazed at kite fishing! I need to look at a few videos on that. Interesting about the mislabeling and that is probably what happened.... They switched the assembly line over and forgot to change the label.
also suffix 832 I find is a lil better then power pro as I do use both myself. and they last well over 4 yrs I only change it when it gets to low to cast well lol
i use both also and 2 things that i prefer about the suffix 832 is that it comes in different colors and the suffix seams to me that it is slightly more resistant to the wind knots. but do like both
I've been using the Chinese braid brand spectra for years now and have never had a fish break me off! I think for the price I'd stick with the spectra ... power pro is to expensive
One of the other guys says "spectra" has become a generic term. Perhaps what I tested was a knock off. Does your line have a brand name or logo besides being called spectra? Post a link if you can. Thanks.
Spectra is a trademark of Honeywell, Dyneema is a trademark of DSM Dyneema. Two different companies, two different line chemistries (OK they're both UHDPE fibres but the binding methods and resins are different). I've been using Spectra since 1995 (the same batch of line, in fact, which has been on several reels - I just can't bring myself to destroy it, it's the most awesome piece of fishing gear I own and have ever owned - and it's LINE!)
Hey James! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach. My biggest concern is abrasion resistance. Do you fish for shark from the beach? Have you had problems with the line braking? How often do you replace it? Thank you
Curious to know if the Chinese braid would of broken at 14lb. It would appear as if the Chinese braid broke at it's breaking strength, where as the power pro (as most other lines) are designed to break at a slightly higher breaking strengths. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese braid is no good. Either way, my go to braid is KastKing. Price is on point and it compares with more expensive braids out there.
David, I am looking at trying Hercules 8 strand 100#. How long have you been using it? My biggest concern is its ability to resist abrasion. What are your thought or your experience with Hercules and how it puts up with abuse!? Thank you
The weak link is your test perimeter in on the first test you jerked it up and it broke with a sharp snap both of them were done like that then the second test you ease them up. The knot is not weaker than line
the difference is how it lies on the spool. 4 strand lies flatter, 8 strand is what you'll find in the rounder braids which are less prone to springing. If it's a sealed braid (some brands call it "fused"), then it matters little if it's 4 or 8 because the line is stiffer anyway - if it's going to spring, it'll spring whatever its cross-section. THAT SAID, I have a centrepin reel loaded with 23 year old Spectra braid and that stuff is as strong as it was when I first used it on a Silstar EX40 in 1995. How many people here can say "I'm using two decade old line and feel confident with it"?
Braid is generally strong overall, no matter what brand you buy. But some of these cheaper braids just plain suck for castability, abrasion resistance, and nearly all of them bleed their colors way faster than some of the more expensive brands.
Power Pro braid are the best braid I have ever used in my nearly 1 decade of fishing. Thin, tough, smooth, cast like a mile, color never fades and above all, it is made in the USA!
I just had my 20lbs braid line broken at the knot when I hooked up a 30+ lbs trout (possibly and 30lbs trout is not uncommon here). It was the Chinese Power Pro imitation line from Aliexpress. I have another reel with Power Pro 8lbs and never had any problem pulling 30 lbs trouts or 15 salmons. They both are fine, but the imitation line wears out like monofilament lines.
Braid isn’t supposed to break. I have a hard time even cutting it. You get some power pro and use a double San Diego knot and you will straighten the hooks out before the knot breaks
Thank you . I went to the website you linked to for the bag o'hundred hooks, but they are out of stock on my preferred 2/0, as well as 1/0 and 3/0. I put a large spool of their braid in my save for later tray, figuring I'll get it when the hooks are back in stock. Uhhh....never mind. I'll bite the bullet and spring for Power Pro. Most of my bait casters have 5 years of the same load on them. Time to reload. I guess its cost effective, since I had to change mono every year. But it hurts for a while, lol.
Try not to be as cheap as Steave with the braid line (this time he chooses a dirt cheaper manufacturer..too cheap to be true!!) Remembre "spectra" is a name brand of the material, like "Nylon"..became a generic name but...like Nylon, not all spectra are created equal...
I reached out to Tackledrop and they said they are going to get a new supply of the hooks in soon. However, it looks like there are other vendors out there with the same thing. I just bought some from this guy to try out: www.ebay.com/itm/100pc-Octopus-Fishing-Hook-8299-High-carbon-Steel-Black-fishhook-Saltwater-Bass/321956415970?_trksid=p2054502.c100226.m3208&_trkparms=aid%3D999002%26algo%3DURGENT.LUI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908104059%26meid%3Dda0a8ccf89d041b699384dd24a0b1c20%26pid%3D100226%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dag%26so%3Dcart%26sd%3D332009931234&var=510896049682
Just a silly question: Why you need (or what for) a so thin fishing line if you need 20 pounds of strength ? is this for a tiny spinning reel? a so delicate fishing needs that strength? a power that never existed before? Since my childhood (outside US and 50 years ago) I've learned to buy the line by diameter...(I 've found 20 years ago, is different here, people buy "By the pound") Buying "by the pound" is deceaving in many ways... A 15 pound "old fashion mono" is thicker than a 40/50 pound braided today. A 40 pound braided (4 strands) is 0.32mm diemeter when the 15 pound old Zebco mono is 0.35mm diameter... Is not the time to load your baitcaster reels with a 0.32 ø braid 40/50 pound resistant? In a normal reel you will be able to put 100 meters or 109 yards, is that not enough? at the same time you reduce the chances of backlash...and that is a whole block in my neighborhood!!! is a lot of line!! And you are also having an absolute abnormal oversized resistance... I spent a lot of money in braid lines last 15 years, all possible brands and sizes. I decided to go to 0.32ø for all of them (8 strands 40 pounds resistanceand, low abrasion) How are you loading your bait casters? Spinning reel are different in my case, they are more suitable to "finesse" fishing. Thanks! Fred.
I use this on spinning rods. Guess I never thought about diameter having grown up with weights and that old, thick mono line you mention. But did you notice how the line visibly stretched before it broke. Just like a rubber band. I think I will take your advice and move up to 30 lb when I use up all my 20lb power pro
I personally tested diameter today (and because the analysis originated in this post) With a digital caliber I compared the old zebco mono 15 pounds and diameter is 0.35mm. At the same time a braid stated as 0.32 mm (mesured .30/031 brand new from bobin , I opened it only for the sake of this post ) stated 40 pound resistance...the brand is Spectra Extreme "8 strands" and is also coated, very low abrasion compared to the normal 4 strands. I paid in china as special of the "dragon day" (or some celebration they have everything on sale)..10 dollars/ 500 meters (almost 550 yards) is like the power pro super 8 slick type. Hope this helps somebody. By the way, I'm not using Ebay for many of this matters, I go stright to the manufacturer using aliexpress.com...found cheaper and manufacturer. My five cents for your research in china: Braid : (Four strands/plyes/woven) Superbraid: (8 strands/plyes/woven and some cases coated) less abrasive than the previous. PE : material used (Poly ethylene / Poly ester) Chinese line numbers: #3 (from 0.25 to 0.285 mm) #4 (from 0.30 to 0.32 mm) Example: This seller is a manufacturer: www.aliexpress.com/item/8-STRANDS-500M-Extrem-Strong-8-Braided-Japan-Multifilament-PE-Fishing-Line-15-20-30-40/32776771050.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.104.RSFnOR&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_6_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10140_10055_10054_10059_10099_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_4,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=6342c284-2a9d-415a-84d6-d8fbb77b6df0&algo_expid=3590c819-fb97-4909-8d73-cb020dca9c73-11&algo_pvid=3590c819-fb97-4909-8d73-cb020dca9c73 Good luck guys!!! Fred.
Fred - heads up to anyone who reads this comment - Fred's source is having a sale that starts in 7 days. Based on Fred's recommendation, I am going to get some of this and give it a test. All this stuff can't be bad!
I found the breaking strength of the china braid is within 3% of stated strength. The real weakness is in knot strength. Any knot that doubles back on itself reduces breaking strength to less than half of line strength. When compared to power pro or like brands , knot strength is no less than 80% of stated strength. In order to utilize china braid a mono leader must be attached to both ends of the line using a properly tied and cinched FG Knot. The mono knot strength then can exceed the china braid line strength. Tying china braid directly to terminal tackle is useless. Most people will give up using China braid due to the weakness in knot strength.
Sure. I have switched to using Ardent Gliss and would be happy to do a distance casting test of your braid against it. But, I would really love to do a video on your collapsible fly rod when it comes out. I head to the mountains later this month to hit some nice trout water. Feel free to reach out via my channel contact info.
Sorry, I do not have that line any longer to check and cannot find it online. I only use Ardent Gliss now. Pricey, but very, very thin and casts a mile.
I can't believe equal 'diameter' braid is very different in breaking strength. I have many spools of Hercules & gagadaijin (Shark pic) & everyone in the far east uses these lines, no problem. But being from there they may screw up labeling, lb. test. lol I do prefer Sufix 832 for abrasion resistance. And I had a spool of KastKing that did nothing but wind knot on a full Daiwa spinner.
I use the cheap wish .com 8 and 10lb braid for my panfish rods and have had no problems with it at all, even when I use them to target bull Croaker's sometimes I catch redfish and Sheepshead by chance and have never had any problems with it, but when i target bass trout and red fish I stick with power pro
I'll tell you from my experience cheap Crap fails. Not 100% sure it was the line, it could have been oysters but my 33 or so pound Chinese braid broke instead of the 20 lb flouocarbon... not sure yet. I'll fish it more just use that setup with a popper cork instead of dragging a jighead or other bottom lures.I'll let you know.
I thought PP was an American made company? Not only that but just because something is maybe manufactured like fibers the real magic happens when they weave it and also if there conditioning or adding anything to it. No cheap braid has ever held up for long with the exception of Kastking. That's the cheapest I'll go with
You made no mention on the type of braid you were using. There are 4, 6, 8, and 9 strand braids. I am sure there are others also but those are the ones I have found that actually said what they were. I am not sure what the Power Pro is but were the other brands the same number of strands? All braids are not the same so you need to be testing apples to apples and you did not indicate what you were testing.
You could use it as a Leader or you could keep it and use it for Bobber Stop Knots. It probably wouldn't perform very well on a Spinning Reel or a Baitcaster......... thanks for the video.
Remember the phrase keep it simple stupid... Take a wooden dowel, wrap each end of the fishing line around the dowel five or six times, this way you will you will eliminate the knot cutting the line
Same until my second and third spool. Never went back and invested the extra for line. 20-30 for 3 seasons with most braids getting better past the first season anyway. I will never buy cheap again and lost so may lures and line lengths to crap quality line.
I'm out nearly every day fishing with 8lb Daiwa Sensor on my leader (it's like £8 for a 2500m spool, so I wasn't complaining), that line is awesome. Haven't had a break on it yet.
just because 2 similar things are produced using identical inputs and equipment does not mean the final product is the same. The perfect example is if you have 2 well stocked fridges of ingredients in 2 identical kitchens, give one to to a michelin star chef and the other to a 14 year old kid. You eat what the 14 year old cooks, i'll take the other.
Need to be real careful on Ebay buying PowerPro too. They have sellers that are selling "PowerPro" that is counterfeit, but has all the correct logo markings, and looks factory sealed. I got some 80lb, and tested it with multiple knots, and it broke at 40 lbs every time. The ebay seller refunded 1/2 my money, but I didn't need 40 lb line. So beware because it looks like the genuine article.
@Paul T Beware - ebay have no concerns for counterfeit goods on their listings - they are just out to rake in the profits from these big far eastern sellers with their multiple shops. I reported a seller with 3 shops recently for selling counterfeit items, I sent proof to ebay that the items were counterfeit, and they have refused to do anything about it. The items are all still for sale. All ebay see is £££ & $$$.
willaimmcclain i quit ppro and use kking.i like kk better.its limper and cast better than pp.i have not broken line once and i have caught big snook on it using 15 lb test and hooked some big rays and tried to break it and couldnt.so thats my go to line
I use braid from a company called Mongrel Fishing off eBay in Aussie and it is as good as expensive name brands. You just have to try the cheap brands, some are good, some are crap.
Ok Steave I have some things to point from the "Chinese experience". The smell... I don't know why many of the items we buy in china are sanitized "by law" and others seemed to be not. No matter the material whatever you buy, they smell like: "smoke from and old kerosen or gas oil lamp" somebody told me that sanitizing process is done inside to the whole container, no matter what you put inside, unless is edible. Even those little cardboard boxes from China Post smell inside...I don't know what to say. Rubber stuff, plastic, fiber glass, wood almost the majority of things get "that smell", related to fishing lines...the smell vanishes when you put the lines in water during the fishing process.
The test: No knot has to be involved, you can roll or wrap around two bars and put tension between them gradually, you can use a bag scale or the fishing scale to messure the exact breaking point (record with the camera the scale screen and you have a clear visual number) Line resistence, Knot resistence, abrassion resistence are different values, they will promote the best and will hide the worst.
The material: even the same material is made different. Same thickness can be made with four strands, six or eight strands (some manufactors specify that numbers) those lines have different behavior on the water, some float great, others not so good and sink faster. Knot resistance is also different. and softness also.
The seller/manufacturer: Same factories have different quality/price standards. You are able to choose two or three quality standards at different price. Same factory. If you buy the bulk to a Chinese manufacturer sometimes you can specify "how good enough" your ordered product will be, depending how much you want to invest on it.
Sayonara, my friend... LOL I should say "arigatóo" but still being japanese. As you see, my communication barrier with china is as yours, try/error.. LOL :) :)
@@KayakhacksFishing I should say that I have now tested other braided line too and they are breaking way before their rating. I don't know why. My same tests on mono are mostly accurate.
If you don't want heartbreak from losing that big one, go with trusted brand like power pro. I bought these cheap PE spectra from aliexpress and found that 50 lb line breaks around 25lb, 20lb line breaks around 12lbs. Like all chinese made things, they are crap and can't be relied upon.
@RULOJOE powerpro sucks and even break below their rating lol. They also put this weird wax material that makes it not cast as far. I prefer suffix 832. Very high quality.
Lol ummm, I'm pretty sure power pro is made in China...and the device your watching RUclips from...and all the other electronics in your house...and probably the steel in your house.
Physics is a huge factor in your experiment. When you did the last test with the cheap line the length of the line was a bit longer than when u tested the power pro and could be why it broke so easily. Both lines should have been the exact same length. Although the cheap line may still break this experiment does not justify anything.
Try the Fishingsir Godline, especially their 8 strands braided line. You will never go back to any other braided lines you had before! It is simply the smoothest and most supple braided line I've ever used and I have used nearly all of the most expensive braided lines there is! Not only the fact that it is the most supple and smoothest braided line I've ever used, but it is also extremely strong and reasonably priced braided line as well! On a side note, why didn't you test the other cheap Chinese line to see its strength as well? And why you didn't show us if the Chinese line broke at the knot or at the main line itself? You could have a bad knot when you test the Chinese line. We don't know for sure!
Adam Kraabel Just bought a “Royale legend” baitcaster And 5kg lb green mono. It feels just like any expensive name brand stuff, except it actually works
More reviews of line and line conditioners at: ruclips.net/p/PL8egn41J7Go9f_cDmRtHflDVlzunMj_TY
I used cheap braided line, honestly, I saw no difference. Used 50lb braid with 80lb mono leader line on a popper and got a 18lb GT on my second day. I’m sure power pro is stronger but with my type of fishing in Hawaii, everyone goes 50+ when prob only 30lb is needed. I usually buy high quality mono and whatever cheap braid for my mainline. Works just fine.
It's the same as " cheap braid " that is like 5x more but if you want it to be 8strands the ebay stuff doesn't give it to you when if you order 8x you will get 4x
Ive tried a bunch of the cheap stuff and never had an issue. Pulled in some big tuna, sharks, halibut, barracuda and so on. If its fresh, your knots are good, you dont simply horse in your fish and use your drag it all works.
You sound like my Dad - "Steve! Don't horse it!" lol But you are correct.
I use it for making bow strings for my 40 & 45lb recurve bows at about $5 a string compared to the normal $25 - $30 archery stores charge, and haven't had on break yet! I normally make 12 to 14 strand continuous loop strings with 60 - 100 lb braided test fishing string.
Hi,I Use The Green 40Lb Test The Cheap Kind From China,Had Great Success With It.If I Get Snagged In The Bottom Just Pull On The Line Will Straighten Out The Hook Before The Line Will Break.In My Opinion Cheap Chinese Braid Is Great For The Price.
Thanks for that perspective!
I’m using 65lb power pro and I will pull a tree out of the water or straighten the damn hooks out before I lose another swim bait. Truth
I've dragged a 6 foot spinner shark across the first sand bar, and landed many of 5+ alligator gar with 4 strand Chinese braid. The price difference is night and day when loading up a Penn 12/0.
Good point - different manufacturers probably have different quality standards.
Hey boss! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach.
My biggest concern is abrasion resistance.
Do you fish for shark from the beach?
Have you had problems with the line braking?
How often do you replace it?
Thank you
I've never had any problems using cheap Chinesium braid. And will keep using it.
Yeah I redact my comment since CCP virus. Only buy "Made in USA"!
Good test if you plan on vertical jigging for barbells. You’re not taking rod flex or reel drag into consideration. Almost never will you subject line to a 15 pound straight pull in real life fishing unless you’re hoisting big fish up onto a pier or something equally dumb. I’ve used this line and it’s performed just fine for me. But then, I let the rod and my drag do the heavy work.
Yes, setting the drag properly will allow any line to work. That is how they catch fish weighing 100s of pounds on light tackle.
I love that you introduced the knot variable. So many people make posts that whatever brand 30lb braid snapped lifting 10lb's of weights. I suspect most of them attached with horrible self defeating knots (probably slipped rather than breaking). I must admit my braid experience has been fishing for large mouth bass and my biggest issue with it was that it WONT break. You will break a rod before snapping off 20lb Stren. Of course I always used a mono leader, but if that braid ever made it into the snag you were done. Or heaven forbid had a backlash (can happen to the best of us at times).
I agree! It's hard to get some of this stuff to snap. Hmmmm.... maybe we should use the cheap stuff! lol
I fish for monster catfish and depending on the cover I use anywhere from 40-80 pound test braid. I have been using a cheap Chinese line for a while (3yrs) now and have not yet had an issue bringing in fish up to 75 pounds.
Maybe it was just this particular brand that failed. I have two others I need to test. Do you use the same brand or have a recommendation on what is reliable? thx!
@Josh,
What brand do you use?
This is my experience with UHMWPE, Dyneema/Spectra braided lines.
As a background, I led a team of expert kite builders and we broke the Guinness World Record in 2014. One of the team members is a kite wholesaler and also sells bulk braided lines, mostly Innotex Spectra and Dacron. We spent 1 week each year over a 9 year period flying a 12 sq. metre kite to high altitude fro a remote region in Australia. This culminated in us reaching 16,009 ft above the altitude of the launch point. initially used 200 lb Spectra 900 in 2004 but switched to Dyneema in 2005To reach that altitude we used 12,400 metres of UHMWPE line. The line we used for the record flight was 6,000 metres of SK75 300 lb Dyneema and 6,200 metres of SK78 350 lb . Dyneema. The 300 lb SK75 Dyneema was purchased from Amika in Taiwan with Dyneema fibres made by Toyoba in Japan. This Japanese company was one of three licenced by DSM Dyneema in Holland to use the patented gel spinning pultrusion process to manufacture these fibers. The other was Honeywell in the USA who sold the licence to Allied Signals in the USA. This version of micro fibre is called Spectra. The US braiding companies still purchase the fibre, as far as I am aware, from Allied Signals. I have purchased and been sponsored with large quantities of line over the years of my record attempts. The following are the lines I have used or still have in storage and I'll go over the structure of braided lines, testing, knots and splices.
The reason I mention the 3 sources of legitimate UHMWPE fibre is that it is very unlikely that Chinese manufacturers of braided line will use the more expensive but higher quality fibre. They are mostly lying con men (or women) in my experience. There may be some genuine manufactures but seem hard to find IMO. I will also go into some detail about Chinese manufacturers and the efforts DSM Dyneema has made to take the counterfeiters to court.
Spectra 900, 200 lbs, 8 weave, 11,000 metres, 0.8mm diameter, 4% stretch (line manufacturers use some different terms for the fibre bundles such as weaves and carriers but they mean bundles of microfibres that are braided into completed lines. Spectra is a brand name for fibres used to manufacture ropes, cords and line. The manufacturing process was invented by DSM Dyneema of Holland. They licenced two major companies to use the process. Toyobo in Japan and Honeywell in the USA. The licence was sold to Allied Signals in the USA and the brand remained Spectra. The differences between Dyneema and Spectra are not great apart from the occasion leap frogging in specs. such as Dyneema SK60, SK71, SK75, SK77 and Spectra 900, 1000 etc, etc. There are enthusiast that talk absolute non-sense about the superiority of Spectra over Dyneema. I found Spectra was generally more expensive when sourcing large quantities. I believe I write with some good experience after accumulating over 65,000 metres of braided lines including samples of all the ebay Chinese lines. Most are rubbish but I found two brands out of 15 that actually had a breaking strength equal to or exceeding their claims.
Dyneema SK 75,, 300 lb, 8 weave, 12,000 metres, 0.75 mm. Amika Taiwan, Fibres, Toyobo Japan
Dyneema SK 78, 100 lb , 8 weave, 6,200 metres, 0.5 mm,, 180 lb 0.62 mm, 8 weave, 6,400 metres. 250 lb 8 weave, 0.72 mm, 6,200 metres, 350 lb, 8 weave, 0.83 mm, 6,400 metres. 559 lb 0.95 mm diameter. 8 weave, 6,400 metres all MFG by Cousin-Trestec, France.and fibres supplied under sponsorship DSM Dyneema Holland. These lines were worth approximately $15,000 retail.
All of these genuine Spectra and Dyneema lines broke within 2% of the stated strength and mostly exceeded the stated breaking strength.
Prior to 2004 or was doing a lot of testing of smaller kites at low altitudes that is, under 3,000 ft. I was investigating. testing and eliminating line types. which were mainly various monofilament nylons and dacron, One common theme was that knots, no matter how good, always weaken line to some degree. I use Daho splicing needles to join lines and I have so much practice that i can do a splice in less than 30 seconds. Splices maintain minimum 190%+ of line strength because they are double line thickness.
No matter how good lines are, they eventually need replacement due to abrasion and UV exposure. Even so the Toyobo/Amika Dyneema has only lost 3% of it's strength after 14 years.
In 2015 I Purchased 20,000 metres of Jeely (China) Ultra High Molecular Weight PolyEthylene (UHMWPE) line. I should have requested a sample but I purchased 20,000 metres of line for $1,500 sight unseen. I should have known better but I hadn't purchased a great deal of stuff from China and no line before. It tested consistently at 160 lb. I gave the line away to my Kite shop team member to make line sets for kids kites. The company owner was very defensive and denied any wrong doing and said my test methods must have been flawed. I have a hydraulic test gauge made by an engineer in the USA. It is accurate to better than 1%. On ebay I have messaged several sellers of line that they advertised as Spectra Dyneema. I pointed out that it is impossible for a product to both Spectra and Dyneema simultaneously. I got a reply from one promising to remove that claim. The others apparently don't give a s..t. DSM Dyneema had some success in China taking some manufacturers to Chinese court but it's like putting up and umbrella against a tidal wave. I save buyer beware and if you pay peanuts you are going to get rubbish. ohsonline.com/articles/2009/07/28/dyneema-files-ip-case.aspx www.ibinews.com/home/dsm-dyneema-files-patent-lawsuit/7610.article pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i04/8404DSM.html www.dsm.com/products/dyneema/en_US/about/press-releases/press-releases-2017/DSM-Dyneema-wins-significant-patent-case-in-Israel.html
I have three expert advisors, Kees Van Luijk, owner of Tasline in New Zealand, Go Matsuoka, manager of Toyobo Japan's IZANAS fibre manufacture and John Kiker, owner of Twinline in the USA. I am learning from these experts constantly but there is one clear principle that anyone can understand. You get what you pay for and if you pay low prices you get low quality generally speaking unless you are a very astute buyer of high quality bargains. I have observed that fishing enthusiasts are often suckers for a catchy name and nice pretty packaging with pictures of big fish on them. The Chinese manufactures know the gullible will fall for suggestive titles, fakes and very low prices. I fell for a bargain 10,000 metres of 200 lb line in 2013. I didn't follow my own advice. Get a sample first, test it, check it out. $1500 down the drain. The company owner couldn't give a s--t and just denied everything. Most people may not see the difference between 200 and 160 lb because they may be only putting 100 lb stress on the line. I have an accurate hydraulic test rig that can test up to 600 lb. within 1% accuracy. The same with lower strength lines. If it's 16 lbs test instead of 20 lb most people wouldn't know because they are catching 2 - 3 lb fish mostly.
So how would they cut corners? The obvious one is to use a mixture of strong fibres such as UHMWPE and Dacron a type of nylon. For instance I specified a hollow braid from Jeely so I could splice my lines. there was some fibres in the middle of the line which could have been Dacron . This solid core prevented me from splicing the line.The line was 0.8 mm which should have tested at lest 200 lb if it were made from genuine UHMWPE fibres. The DSM Dyneema SK75 from Holland is 300 lb and 0.75 mm. Why was the jeely line 0.8 mm and 200 lb? The answer is obvious to me. It is also possible to make the actual braid from different fibres by either mixing the microfibres or by alternating one weave strong and one weave weak. They could also use weaker microfibres that are the result of cheaper chemicals or a cheaper process. Dirty chemicals, dirty machinery, dirty extrusion medium , lots of ways to produce inferior products and it comes down to money. they all want to undercut each other and the only way of staying competitive is to trim costs. That's ok but you must be honest and not call a Rolls Royce Phantom a Lada Niva.
I have a new sponsor, Toyobo of Japan with their UHMWPE fibre called Izanas. They call it SK 777 and is equivalent to the Dyneema SK75. They are supplying fibre to Tasline, a New Zealand fishing line company. This sponsorship deal enables lines to be made by a supporting braiding company for the kite altitude record . Tasline has just purchased a large quantity of Izanas fibre which is coincidental to our existing informal line braiding sponsorship. I have no doubt the lines made from Izanas will be top quality as was the Dyneema line we used the break the kite altitude record. DSM Dyneema fully supports the manufacture of UHMWPE by Toyobo using their patented process..
By the way, my team is going for 25,000 ft in August next year plus 40,000 ft. for the kite train record in future years. I am crowd funding through GoFundMe and FaceBook. You can see my web site at kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/High_Flying.html
Bob Moore
What a wonderful explanation! Thank you for taking the time.
Thank you for sharing your background ,experience , knowledge..
Wow you wrote a book. But thanks for taking the time to write it.
I've used the power pro from China. Comes in same box and same stickers. £5 including shipping to UK. No problems with it. Caught 40lb conger in full flow of Bristol channel using 10oz gripper leads never snapped on me yet.
I guess the lot makes a difference!!
I "AGREE" with Steve Weiss.
@Kayak Hacks Fishing Sir, my friend uses Power Pro 40lb and I am using Hercules (chinese brand) 40lb and both of us pulled in 45in King Mackerel and bigger, fine. The difference is his line cost more than $100 for 1000m and mine cost ~$50 for 2000m. Very cheap chinese line, but effective. This brand is sold in Ebay and as well as in Amazon.
Thanks for sharing!
The pound rating on fishing line is determined under static loading. When you pull up that fast, not only are you increasing the load, you're throwing impact resistance into the equation. Either way, proved your point
That is good to know. Thanks!
Heads up! On our West Coast forum, Northern California Kayak Anglers (NCKA.org) the general consensus is that while kayak fishing, we don't run a main line that's over about 35# due to the difficulty of successfully breaking it off without rolling the boat. Yes, we use 40# or 50# leaders for toothy and abrasive fishing, but keep the running line limited, AND we'll use something less than the running line so that that is what breaks off rather than shortening our main line.
Remember, the whole point of drag and rod flex is to allow us to use lightweight lines without breakage -- this arrangement allows us to land some seriously big fish with disproportionately light line.
Great point! Thanks
insightful comment. I feel the need to load up on line but will be staying within the numbers you mentioned for the reasons you stated.
Actually, keeping that main running line on the lighter side, allows us to load more on the spool, wooHoo!
There's a privately manufactured braid called Dynema Spectra which is also about $7 per 100m and it excels at everything except cut and bend resistance but is a very supple line and makes excellent leader material. Typically adding a barrel swivel to tie on the leader instead of using a uni knot yields much better performance.
Thanks for the tip on the swivel!
Great video and content, gotta tell you that you got me chuckling because your voice reminds me of Hank Hill from king of the hill cartoon.
Glad you enjoyed
I don’t have enough experience with braid to have a very informed opinion. But I will say that I recently caught two 36 inch red drum on a cheap amazon braid. Granted it was 40 lb test. I haven’t ever attempted to use anything under 30 lb test.
That should work fine. I think it is in the lower pound tests where you run a risk
Kayak Hacks Fishing I purchased the stuff to go after 4-6ft sharks so we will see how it all works out.
@@thatguyblue4811 Go for it!
i use the exact same braid as the one shown from from gagadaijin. this braid has extreme line tension strength but extremly weak knot strength. my research lead me to believe that any knot on this braid will fail at 1/4 of its strengh. my secret, get anothet braid preferably double the thickness of ur mainline anf use it to plat your mainline down to your terminal tackle then do your knot. all the tension will be taken up by the plat onto your larger line. the tension will be reduced dramatically by the time it reaches ur knot. i use 70lb braid. my mono leader at 100lb breaks and this is at mid way. not at the knot. dont tell any one. it took me over a year to come up with this. no stingray, shark fish has broken me off. ive had to cut it because i couldn't be bothered fighting it.
Thank you for that guidance!!
Can you review Kastkings line of braids?
I need to do that. Thanks for the push.
I just bought 2000 meters of 16 Strand 130 lb hollow core braid from Ashconfish which is definitely made in China. I don't personally care about where my fishing line is made. For that matter, I think that when people (self included) shop on Amazon and buy from a "US seller" they forget that soooo soooo much of what is on Amazon is just people reselling bulk-purchased goods from China just north of Hong Kong. At $160 for 2000 Meters (2187 yards) versus Seaguar $358 for 2500 yards (made in China) I think we have a winner. However, If I lose that big fish due to a break mid-braid I promise I will switch to good ole American made just on principal alone LOL.
You are right... who knows where stuff is made...
If you don't care about about line and knots you don't care about fishing.
Ouch... I'm so ashamed. Thank you for bringing that to my attention! On a related note... Is anyone here looking for cheap fishing gear? I guess I should quit fishing because I don't meet the standards of some cuckold troll on youtube.
in my limited experience i have found the chinese stuff is mismarked for lb test , go by it's diameter rating , and it is close to the name brad stuff , example just ordered some 40lb braid that is .28 in diameter , so it is 30lb test and that is were it breaks every time i tested it, had the same results with other lb test ordered on ebay and aliexpress , btw that 40lb [actually 30lb] braid cost 11 bucks for a 1000 meters shipped to my door from aliexpress ...
Great advice. Thanks. I did not see that critical fact.
So order 10lb above to get what you want?
@@golddog0113 that will work if your staying below around 80 lb but your better off going by the diameter like he said
I purchased some Chinese 100# for offshore fishing, and it has never failed me.
Did it smell? That one spool I had really smelled like gasoline.
Yes but the smell went away after a few days
I wonder what the real breaking strength was. Hopefully, at 100#, you had plenty of room for error. BTW... Southern Kayak Fishing magazine has started back up after a pause while they looked for a new editor. The milk crate article should be in the next issue... maybe it comes out in May.
Kayak Hacks Fishing thanks for that tip!
Nice!
Love the cheap braid. Never had any issues and I've saved a lot of money to buy extra lures from using it.
I use the cheap 30 lb braid for rockfish {rock cod, rockbass) with a 27lb stren leader and have never broke a line with a fish and and when I snag the rocks I always break the leader < I also use it surf fishing for surf pearch and the only problem is windknots, I also use cheap e bay hooks with no problems but use new hooks every day, I know lots of people using the e bayimported
braid
Sounds like you found a decent brand... so much variation in quality over there in China!
Buying cheap is not usually a good thing when it comes to braided fishing line, i have done many strength and abrasion tests with all brands of braided line. My favorite is Sufix 832 advanced superline braid
Thanks for the recommendation on a good choice!
Which is made in Taiwan....or as the rest of us know it....East China LOL
@@AndTodaysProjectIs yep your right it's manufactured for rapala vmc Corporation and made in Taiwan.
A really good cheaper braid is diawa J braid. I like it allot.
@Quirin M. Yeah I have used j braid. For the price it's good but for 10 to 12 more bucks i get the sufix everytime. I used to use j braid when I bass fished. Last 5 year's I have went to mostly cat fishing from spring to fall and carp fishing. But I go 2 and sometimes 3 times a week. I fish some rocky places and sufix 832 superline does so well for a braid in the rocky areas. Very abrasion resistant and plenty strong too. I use sufix mono on my trout rods and my wiper rods. Very good stuff as well.
The first time I bought cheapo Ebay braid - It was excellent. Never a problem all season and decided to replace the mono on my second reel with another spool of cheapo line.
NEVER again. First cast - snap. Watched my lure go flying into the sunset....... more than three snap offs and wind knots galore.
I never looked back and invested in power pro, suffix 832 ever since. Line ties you to fish and not worth chancing over a 10 dollar difference.
Same here!
I use to use mono too, but switched to PowerPro because I got tired of leaving my expensive lures at the bottom of the lake or hung up in a tree. With the braid I can easily retrieve my lures and reel in the big ones. PowerPro may cost a bit more, but when you're talking about losing a $16.00 Whopper Plopper, or not, it's a lot cheaper to buy quality line. I looked at getting some of that cheap, Chinese crap, but talked myself out of it. Glad I did.
I'm with you. I threw it out
I bought a spool of Fox Rage Torque 20lb yellow braid a few weeks ago, that stuff is crazy strong. First time I took it out on the Trent with a Shimano baitcaster and a ten foot Shakespeare Mustang, I trucked in a chunk of tree that must have weighed 70 pounds. Took two of us to haul that thing out of the water. Line was completely unharmed.
Wow! I need to give it a try.
I use Hercules PE braid. I catch anything from 5lb Spanish mackerel to 600lb bull shark with it. Love that stuff. I can get 80lb 1000m for $25.....to me it’s good stuff
Hey boss! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach.
My biggest concern is abrasion resistance.
Do you fish for shark from the beach?
Have you had problems with the line braking?
How often do you replace it?
Thank you
The cheap 20lbs braid might lose, but the 40+ lbs will be closer to the expensive ones. I had one (Pilot) hold a 10 ft alu boat with 3 people against current. Also broke a 1.5 inch branch of the bottom.
Good point! Thanks
The smell goes away really fast, the kastking line is the actual strength that they say it is and power pro is alot stronger than it says it is, your knot strength was probably around 60% if you tie a good knot that is 80% or more you will have success with kastking.
Thanks for that additional info!
$300 rod....$275 reel....$15 plug....trophy fish on.....and you want to save a few bucks on line.
Doesn't make sense to me.
Bottom line..you get what you pay for.
yep
Use Berkley Braid knots or FishNFool knots for 130% plus knot strength.
bought some called Ger Super in 10 15 20 25 and all the way up to 90 lb. When it got here the wife made me take it to the garage cause the smell was horrific but within a few days in the fresh air the smell was totally gone. It works great for gills and walleye and will give that 90 lb a try this spring on a couple of my froggin combos and will see if it can haul them out of the reeds and Lilly pads. I figure if it's cheap 90lb it might be closer to the more expensive 65lb I would normally use with frogs. Thanks for your videos
Sounds like you found a bargain!
I use nothing else than cheap Chinese stuff. The 8 strand braids are amazing.
Do you have a brand name? I have tried a few different makes and they either break or do not cast smoothly. I would love to find a good source.
look up Saratoga 8 Strands Braided Fishing Line , i get mine on aliexpresses. It was about 16 USD for 550 yards last time i ordered.
I will order it right now - thanks!
Make sure you get the 8 strand stuff ;-) it's more flexible and smooth.
Looking at this - www.aliexpress.com/item/SARATOGA-8-strand-300M-6-300LB-Fishing-Line-Ocean-Rock-Fishing-Braided-Wire-Floating-Line-Grey/32700034395.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.103.r8kiXH&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10130_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10178_10137_10111_10060_10112_10113_10155_10114_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_5360020_10189_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051,searchweb201603_13,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=5c51e6f7-58e4-4305-9e34-03437abe01d4&algo_expid=1d32869a-414d-49b9-a216-3a03b3571ebd-13&algo_pvid=1d32869a-414d-49b9-a216-3a03b3571ebd
I did similar tests with similar results. Then someone mentioned the ebay 4 strand is junk but the 8 strand is as good as any. I target snapper and kingfish in New Zealand so use 30lb to 80lb depending on the target fish. I recently tried some ebay 8 strand 80lb. It was ever so slightly thicker than the more expensive braids I use. Every test i did the ebay braid won. That's not to say it's better. I'm guessing it's probably the same as the big brands but they mislabeled 100lb as 80lb (hence the thicker strand) I've actually been fishing it for a few months now and I can't fault it. I just get white as i don't trust dye leakage and as you mention smell of the cheaper brands. I kite fish live bait from the beach so have around 1500 meters of 80lb. Costs about $45nz on ebay or $250nz+ for the name brands at my local tackle shops. I've noticed some 16 strand around now in the weight class i fish so may give that a go next time I need line. Great video. Will save some people waisting time or losing the big fish of the day.
Wow! Thank you for that info and I amazed at kite fishing! I need to look at a few videos on that. Interesting about the mislabeling and that is probably what happened.... They switched the assembly line over and forgot to change the label.
also suffix 832 I find is a lil better then power pro as I do use both myself. and they last well over 4 yrs I only change it when it gets to low to cast well lol
I need to try it.
Same for me.
i use both also and 2 things that i prefer about the suffix 832 is that it comes in different colors and the suffix seams to me that it is slightly more resistant to the wind knots. but do like both
I really need to try it now! Wind knots... ugh
wind knots are from putting to much line on the reel keep it at around 1/8th inch min. from full and you should be fine
I've been using the Chinese braid brand spectra for years now and have never had a fish break me off! I think for the price I'd stick with the spectra ... power pro is to expensive
One of the other guys says "spectra" has become a generic term. Perhaps what I tested was a knock off. Does your line have a brand name or logo besides being called spectra? Post a link if you can. Thanks.
Kayak Hacks Fishing spectra dyneema
thanks!
Spectra is a trademark of Honeywell, Dyneema is a trademark of DSM Dyneema. Two different companies, two different line chemistries (OK they're both UHDPE fibres but the binding methods and resins are different). I've been using Spectra since 1995 (the same batch of line, in fact, which has been on several reels - I just can't bring myself to destroy it, it's the most awesome piece of fishing gear I own and have ever owned - and it's LINE!)
I get the Hurcules braid. 30lbs i pull up lilly pads lol. Hard to pull those up. It dont smell either.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Hey James! I've been looking at the Hercules 8 strand 100# for shark fishing from the beach.
My biggest concern is abrasion resistance.
Do you fish for shark from the beach?
Have you had problems with the line braking?
How often do you replace it?
Thank you
Curious to know if the Chinese braid would of broken at 14lb. It would appear as if the Chinese braid broke at it's breaking strength, where as the power pro (as most other lines) are designed to break at a slightly higher breaking strengths. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese braid is no good.
Either way, my go to braid is KastKing. Price is on point and it compares with more expensive braids out there.
Good points!
I use 30# hercules 8 strand and have had great results at a third the cost
David, I am looking at trying Hercules 8 strand 100#.
How long have you been using it?
My biggest concern is its ability to resist abrasion. What are your thought or your experience with Hercules and how it puts up with abuse!?
Thank you
Me too! It's a great line with zero issues except bleeding initially.
The weak link is your test perimeter in on the first test you jerked it up and it broke with a sharp snap both of them were done like that then the second test you ease them up. The knot is not weaker than line
I appreciate that insight.
I used 50lbs angry fishing line cheap line but man it works very well for cheap 50lbs line
Glad you found some good stuff!
Power pro is 8 strand and that cheap is 4 strand. Big diff
You bet!
the difference is how it lies on the spool. 4 strand lies flatter, 8 strand is what you'll find in the rounder braids which are less prone to springing. If it's a sealed braid (some brands call it "fused"), then it matters little if it's 4 or 8 because the line is stiffer anyway - if it's going to spring, it'll spring whatever its cross-section.
THAT SAID, I have a centrepin reel loaded with 23 year old Spectra braid and that stuff is as strong as it was when I first used it on a Silstar EX40 in 1995.
How many people here can say "I'm using two decade old line and feel confident with it"?
Braid is generally strong overall, no matter what brand you buy. But some of these cheaper braids just plain suck for castability, abrasion resistance, and nearly all of them bleed their colors way faster than some of the more expensive brands.
I agree
Agepoch china braid bleed colour same as Daiwa JBraid
Power Pro braid are the best braid I have ever used in my nearly 1 decade of fishing. Thin, tough, smooth, cast like a mile, color never fades and above all, it is made in the USA!
I just had my 20lbs braid line broken at the knot when I hooked up a 30+ lbs trout (possibly and 30lbs trout is not uncommon here). It was the Chinese Power Pro imitation line from Aliexpress. I have another reel with Power Pro 8lbs and never had any problem pulling 30 lbs trouts or 15 salmons. They both are fine, but the imitation line wears out like monofilament lines.
I don't trust it. I'll pay more for something reliable
@@KayakhacksFishing Yup! I threw away the remaining cheap junks and stick with authentic Power Pro and Sufix 832 braids!
Braid isn’t supposed to break. I have a hard time even cutting it. You get some power pro and use a double San Diego knot and you will straighten the hooks out before the knot breaks
Thank you . I went to the website you linked to for the bag o'hundred hooks, but they are out of stock on my preferred 2/0, as well as 1/0 and 3/0. I put a large spool of their braid in my save for later tray, figuring I'll get it when the hooks are back in stock.
Uhhh....never mind. I'll bite the bullet and spring for Power Pro. Most of my bait casters have 5 years of the same load on them. Time to reload. I guess its cost effective, since I had to change mono every year. But it hurts for a while, lol.
Try not to be as cheap as Steave with the braid line (this time he chooses a dirt cheaper manufacturer..too cheap to be true!!)
Remembre "spectra" is a name brand of the material, like "Nylon"..became a generic name but...like Nylon, not all spectra are created equal...
Fred - thanks for that clarification on naming!
I reached out to Tackledrop and they said they are going to get a new supply of the hooks in soon. However, it looks like there are other vendors out there with the same thing. I just bought some from this guy to try out: www.ebay.com/itm/100pc-Octopus-Fishing-Hook-8299-High-carbon-Steel-Black-fishhook-Saltwater-Bass/321956415970?_trksid=p2054502.c100226.m3208&_trkparms=aid%3D999002%26algo%3DURGENT.LUI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908104059%26meid%3Dda0a8ccf89d041b699384dd24a0b1c20%26pid%3D100226%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dag%26so%3Dcart%26sd%3D332009931234&var=510896049682
Real bargain!!!
Thanks Steve. New to Kayaking, and you've been a great teacher in a few short months. Cant wait to get out.
Just a silly question:
Why you need (or what for) a so thin fishing line if you need 20 pounds of strength ?
is this for a tiny spinning reel? a so delicate fishing needs that strength? a power that never existed before?
Since my childhood (outside US and 50 years ago) I've learned to buy the line by diameter...(I 've found 20 years ago, is different here, people buy "By the pound")
Buying "by the pound" is deceaving in many ways...
A 15 pound "old fashion mono" is thicker than a 40/50 pound braided today.
A 40 pound braided (4 strands) is 0.32mm diemeter when the 15 pound old Zebco mono is 0.35mm diameter...
Is not the time to load your baitcaster reels with a 0.32 ø braid 40/50 pound resistant?
In a normal reel you will be able to put 100 meters or 109 yards, is that not enough? at the same time you reduce the chances of backlash...and that is a whole block in my neighborhood!!! is a lot of line!!
And you are also having an absolute abnormal oversized resistance...
I spent a lot of money in braid lines last 15 years, all possible brands and sizes.
I decided to go to 0.32ø for all of them (8 strands 40 pounds resistanceand, low abrasion)
How are you loading your bait casters?
Spinning reel are different in my case, they are more suitable to "finesse" fishing.
Thanks!
Fred.
I use this on spinning rods. Guess I never thought about diameter having grown up with weights and that old, thick mono line you mention. But did you notice how the line visibly stretched before it broke. Just like a rubber band. I think I will take your advice and move up to 30 lb when I use up all my 20lb power pro
I personally tested diameter today (and because the analysis originated in this post) With a digital caliber I compared the old zebco mono 15 pounds and diameter is 0.35mm.
At the same time a braid stated as 0.32 mm (mesured .30/031 brand new from bobin , I opened it only for the sake of this post ) stated 40 pound resistance...the brand is Spectra Extreme "8 strands" and is also coated, very low abrasion compared to the normal 4 strands.
I paid in china as special of the "dragon day" (or some celebration they have everything on sale)..10 dollars/ 500 meters (almost 550 yards) is like the power pro super 8 slick type.
Hope this helps somebody.
By the way, I'm not using Ebay for many of this matters, I go stright to the manufacturer using aliexpress.com...found cheaper and manufacturer.
My five cents for your research in china:
Braid : (Four strands/plyes/woven)
Superbraid: (8 strands/plyes/woven and some cases coated) less abrasive than the previous.
PE : material used (Poly ethylene / Poly ester)
Chinese line numbers:
#3 (from 0.25 to 0.285 mm)
#4 (from 0.30 to 0.32 mm)
Example: This seller is a manufacturer:
www.aliexpress.com/item/8-STRANDS-500M-Extrem-Strong-8-Braided-Japan-Multifilament-PE-Fishing-Line-15-20-30-40/32776771050.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.104.RSFnOR&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_6_10065_10130_10068_433_434_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10140_10055_10054_10059_10099_129_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10078_10079_10073_10070_10122_10123_10124,searchweb201603_4,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=6342c284-2a9d-415a-84d6-d8fbb77b6df0&algo_expid=3590c819-fb97-4909-8d73-cb020dca9c73-11&algo_pvid=3590c819-fb97-4909-8d73-cb020dca9c73
Good luck guys!!!
Fred.
Thank you very much for the discussion and the link!
Fred - heads up to anyone who reads this comment - Fred's source is having a sale that starts in 7 days. Based on Fred's recommendation, I am going to get some of this and give it a test. All this stuff can't be bad!
Oh, Thank you!! That makes me feel better!!
(I was starting to think I sounded like a mother in law!..LOL)
Those cheap lines are pretty good for tripwire technology.
I found the breaking strength of the china braid is within 3% of stated strength. The real weakness is in knot strength. Any knot that doubles back on itself reduces breaking strength to less than half of line strength. When compared to power pro or like brands , knot strength is no less than 80% of stated strength. In order to utilize china braid a mono leader must be attached to both ends of the line using a properly tied and cinched FG Knot. The mono knot strength then can exceed the china braid line strength. Tying china braid directly to terminal tackle is useless. Most people will give up using China braid due to the weakness in knot strength.
Thank you for those insights
Great video. Have you seen our new Made in America KastKing KastPro braid? Would you be interested in testing some?
Sure. I have switched to using Ardent Gliss and would be happy to do a distance casting test of your braid against it. But, I would really love to do a video on your collapsible fly rod when it comes out. I head to the mountains later this month to hit some nice trout water. Feel free to reach out via my channel contact info.
I really like the dark green KastKing Super Power Braid, I use it all the time, I'll look up KastPro when Im in need of line again..
KastKing i sure would and on the basics of im skeptial of performance. Dawia is my go to
Love Kast King braid. I use it on all my reels.
Hi I know this is an old video but do you know if the diameter is the same
Sorry, I do not have that line any longer to check and cannot find it online. I only use Ardent Gliss now. Pricey, but very, very thin and casts a mile.
try some 50# Chinese braid for fly reel backing!
lol
I use it on my stella reel 50 lb braid ,made in CHINA and my light spin rod I still buy china braid I catch fish on no problum
Thanks for sharing
I can't believe equal 'diameter' braid is very different in breaking strength. I have many spools of Hercules & gagadaijin (Shark pic) & everyone in the far east uses these lines, no problem. But being from there they may screw up labeling, lb. test. lol
I do prefer Sufix 832 for abrasion resistance. And I had a spool of KastKing that did nothing but wind knot on a full Daiwa spinner.
I use the cheap wish .com 8 and 10lb braid for my panfish rods and have had no problems with it at all, even when I use them to target bull Croaker's sometimes I catch redfish and Sheepshead by chance and have never had any problems with it, but when i target bass trout and red fish I stick with power pro
Good advice!
Great stuff. Love your vids. Thanks
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
Nice video! Can you do a comparison on Power Pro vs Spiderwire?
Good idea. As the season wraps up, I need to replace line anyway.
Go with the spider wire, I love the stuff
I'll tell you from my experience cheap Crap fails. Not 100% sure it was the line, it could have been oysters but my 33 or so pound Chinese braid broke instead of the 20 lb flouocarbon... not sure yet. I'll fish it more just use that setup with a popper cork instead of dragging a jighead or other bottom lures.I'll let you know.
thanks!
Good video Id like to see a comparison video with these lines Power pro vrs Savage gear braid that would be cool!
I'll add that to the list. Thanks for the idea
Kayak Hacks Fishing no problem! A lot of people say that the savage gear is the same but I prefer the power pro has it has proven itself
I thought PP was an American made company? Not only that but just because something is maybe manufactured like fibers the real magic happens when they weave it and also if there conditioning or adding anything to it. No cheap braid has ever held up for long with the exception of Kastking. That's the cheapest I'll go with
I lost a couple of expensive lures because of cheap braided line! it can't even hold when casting
I learned we have to be careful to balance cost versus performance.
Funny I bought expensive flauro and expensive braid and lost more lures than the cheap stuff now I stick to spider braid and berkley mono
Stick with what you have confidence in!
I use the china brand Saratoga 8 strand. Surprisingly good stuff, and cheap. Ebay
Thanks - I'll grab some!
Larry Highland Is it good? I have seen it but never try it because it was so cheap.
Same issues with cheap Chinese crankbaits. Can't beat a good Rapala.
You should see what John Oast has been saying over on the fishyaker channel. He agrees!
You made no mention on the type of braid you were using. There are 4, 6, 8, and 9 strand braids. I am sure there are others also but those are the ones I have found that actually said what they were. I am not sure what the Power Pro is but were the other brands the same number of strands?
All braids are not the same so you need to be testing apples to apples and you did not indicate what you were testing.
I did this so long ago, I do not know the number of strands. Good point!
You could use it as a Leader or you could keep it and use it for Bobber Stop Knots. It probably wouldn't perform very well on a Spinning Reel or a Baitcaster......... thanks for the video.
The smell might come from the plastic spool.
Interesting... I had not thought of that source.
Remember the phrase keep it simple stupid... Take a wooden dowel, wrap each end of the fishing line around the dowel five or six times, this way you will you will eliminate the knot cutting the line
Great suggestion - thanks!
I'm sticking with the cheap stuff. I fish at least twice weekly, never a problem.
I actually agree. It's all about the version of cheap stuff you use. I am testing some line right now that might turn out pretty good!
Which brand and lb are you using David?
Same
Same until my second and third spool. Never went back and invested the extra for line. 20-30 for 3 seasons with most braids getting better past the first season anyway.
I will never buy cheap again and lost so may lures and line lengths to crap quality line.
I'm out nearly every day fishing with 8lb Daiwa Sensor on my leader (it's like £8 for a 2500m spool, so I wasn't complaining), that line is awesome. Haven't had a break on it yet.
Thanks, good information,
I'm sticking with the real stuff.... :-)
just because 2 similar things are produced using identical inputs and equipment does not mean the final product is the same. The perfect example is if you have 2 well stocked fridges of ingredients in 2 identical kitchens, give one to to a michelin star chef and the other to a 14 year old kid. You eat what the 14 year old cooks, i'll take the other.
I agree
Need to be real careful on Ebay buying PowerPro too. They have sellers that are selling "PowerPro" that is counterfeit, but has all the correct logo markings, and looks factory sealed. I got some 80lb, and tested it with multiple knots, and it broke at 40 lbs every time. The ebay seller refunded 1/2 my money, but I didn't need 40 lb line. So beware because it looks like the genuine article.
Wow! Thanks for the heads up!
Don't buy anything that comes directly from china, they have 0 regard for copyright and will just label anything they want by any name.
@Paul T Beware - ebay have no concerns for counterfeit goods on their listings - they are just out to rake in the profits from these big far eastern sellers with their multiple shops. I reported a seller with 3 shops recently for selling counterfeit items, I sent proof to ebay that the items were counterfeit, and they have refused to do anything about it. The items are all still for sale. All ebay see is £££ & $$$.
Lol ironically deja-vu after the hook video reply :)
Try PP against Spider Wire!
I have used kastking and spetra. that are as good as power pro.
Maybe these were generic knockoffs. One claimed to be Spectra. I'll have to try KastKing. Thx
willaimmcclain i quit ppro and use kking.i like kk better.its limper and cast better than pp.i have not broken line once and i have caught big snook on it using 15 lb test and hooked some big rays and tried to break it and couldnt.so thats my go to line
should of stayed with the 20# weight it would of held just fine the second way you did the test.
Probably so, but it looks like the same conclusion would have been reached.
I use braid from a company called Mongrel Fishing off eBay in Aussie and it is as good as expensive name brands. You just have to try the cheap brands, some are good, some are crap.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Can you do a video on kastking vs. Powerpro
That is a good idea!
I have used many braids and loss fish but since I switched to power pro I haven’t. It works. It’s quality and made in USA. Made by Honeywell
The White braids do not have the smell your talking about and they are limper than the ones with color.
Thanks for that update!
Good video, my friend！
Thank you
kastking Braid stronger than Power pro and cheaper
Cheap is my middle name. I'll give it a try
I use it too. How do you know it's stronger?
video on youtube says it is
KastKing braid by Eposeidon is great stuff. Use the 100 it on my shark reels
I need to try it.
I never use braid I'm a monofiliment guy
Nothing wrong with tradition!
Ok Steave I have some things to point from the "Chinese experience".
The smell...
I don't know why many of the items we buy in china are sanitized "by law" and others seemed to be not.
No matter the material whatever you buy, they smell like: "smoke from and old kerosen or gas oil lamp" somebody told me that sanitizing process is done inside to the whole container, no matter what you put inside, unless is edible.
Even those little cardboard boxes from China Post smell inside...I don't know what to say.
Rubber stuff, plastic, fiber glass, wood almost the majority of things get "that smell", related to fishing lines...the smell vanishes when you put the lines in water during the fishing process.
The test:
No knot has to be involved, you can roll or wrap around two bars and put tension between them gradually, you can use a bag scale or the fishing scale to messure the exact breaking point (record with the camera the scale screen and you have a clear visual number)
Line resistence, Knot resistence, abrassion resistence are different values, they will promote the best and will hide the worst.
The material:
even the same material is made different. Same thickness can be made with four strands, six or eight strands (some manufactors specify that numbers) those lines have different behavior on the water, some float great, others not so good and sink faster. Knot resistance is also different. and softness also.
The seller/manufacturer:
Same factories have different quality/price standards. You are able to choose two or three quality standards at different price. Same factory.
If you buy the bulk to a Chinese manufacturer sometimes you can specify "how good enough" your ordered product will be, depending how much you want to invest on it.
Thanks for all the additional info!
Sayonara, my friend... LOL
I should say "arigatóo" but still being japanese.
As you see, my communication barrier with china is as yours, try/error.. LOL :) :)
PowerPro is crap. I have tested this line brand new many times and it breaks at 50% capacity.
Thanks for that update
@@KayakhacksFishing I should say that I have now tested other braided line too and they are breaking way before their rating. I don't know why. My same tests on mono are mostly accurate.
@@briangoodsell4237 Just confirms you need to set your drag below the breaking point!
If you don't want heartbreak from losing that big one, go with trusted brand like power pro. I bought these cheap PE spectra from aliexpress and found that 50 lb line breaks around 25lb, 20lb line breaks around 12lbs. Like all chinese made things, they are crap and can't be relied upon.
True!
power pro aint great, sorry
@RULOJOE powerpro sucks and even break below their rating lol. They also put this weird wax material that makes it not cast as far. I prefer suffix 832. Very high quality.
Lol ummm, I'm pretty sure power pro is made in China...and the device your watching RUclips from...and all the other electronics in your house...and probably the steel in your house.
Braid does not stretch like that?
It should not have broken. The powerpro held, but the off brand snapped.
Physics is a huge factor in your experiment. When you did the last test with the cheap line the length of the line was a bit longer than when u tested the power pro and could be why it broke so easily. Both lines should have been the exact same length. Although the cheap line may still break this experiment does not justify anything.
Thanks for that advice.
great video
its the ingredients to make the braid
Cheap braid will never pass there's to many people that are independently testing. Like you and me.
You can always use the cheaper braid for stopper knots when fishing with a slip float
Good point!
Another good test. I will be taking your advice and not buying that braid.
Fred Fable had a brand that may not be as bad (see his comment and link). I ordered some and will test.
They are clearly worse than the real stuff but much cheaper , I think it's Dacron
Who knows... I just do not trust a lot of stuff from China.
I have a friend that use 100lb "bravefishermen" cheapbraid and he got a 65lb fish with no breaking. Idk I guess depends on brands.
You never know. At least he is good up to 65lb!
Good video sir
Try the Fishingsir Godline, especially their 8 strands braided line. You will never go back to any other braided lines you had before! It is simply the smoothest and most supple braided line I've ever used and I have used nearly all of the most expensive braided lines there is! Not only the fact that it is the most supple and smoothest braided line I've ever used, but it is also extremely strong and reasonably priced braided line as well!
On a side note, why didn't you test the other cheap Chinese line to see its strength as well? And why you didn't show us if the Chinese line broke at the knot or at the main line itself? You could have a bad knot when you test the Chinese line. We don't know for sure!
Good points and thanks for the recommendation
Go on Amazon and check out KastKing! Better than PowerPro and cheaper!
You are not the first person to suggest that! I need to get some and try it. Thanks
I just bought some KastKing last week.
Adam Kraabel
Just bought a “Royale legend” baitcaster
And 5kg lb green mono.
It feels just like any expensive name brand stuff, except it actually works