After trying various lines over the years, I have always come back to the 4-strand power pro. 8-strand lines always started good but after a few trips, the strands would separate and swell the line than the 4-strand would so would cast shorter distance.
Luke needs to test V2 eight strand against J-braid eight strand(s) for abrasion, strength, knot strength as well as cost & availability. I know it wasn’t your intention, but this video came off like an infomercial for Daiwa.
I use Sufix 832 for surf shark fishing for years and it’s the best line I’ve ever used. I use Sufix 131 for my bass set up and it’s absolutely amazing.
I've been using j-braid 8x for over 4 years and love it. I made the mistake one time of buying the 4x, garbage by comparison in regards to casting. I have two similar surf rods, one w/ 45lb jbraid and one w/ 45lb power pro slick v2, for me the jbraid performs better, but not by much.
Power Pro Slick has always bled a lot. But the sound and feeing of it flying through the guides is superior to any braid I’ve used in the past (j braids, Nomad, Sufix, spiderwire, maxima).
I like pp ss onyx but there is a break in period where the coating scrapes off and what's left is a supple gray line. Jbraid grand is supple out of the box without the break in period for me. I use and trust both
The two negatives I find with braided line is tying knots and abrasion. Tying knots is much more difficult with braided line. I fish a lot with slip floats for crappie. As the line suffers abrasion, it does not slide through the float as easily. I am trying a new float that has a metal tube going all the way through the float, causing less resistance to the frayed line as it passes through the float.
"there is less material in a 4-strand"- wrong, diameters/breaking strength are the same, equals same amount of material; less material equals lower breaking strength. The reason why a 4-strand may break before an 8-strand, has to do with the number of strands. One stand of a 4-strand breaks, line loses 25% of strength. One strand of 8-stand breaks, line only loses 12.5% of strength. Having more, small diameter, strands makes 8-strand smoother and more supple/flexible. I use 4-strand Power Pro over 8-strand whatever, for on reason...cost; I can be a bit of a cheapskate. Never had any problems with it. Happy fishing...Whatever you choose to use!
There might be a little more volume taking up by 8 strands than 4 strands for the same outer diameter. less air space between the strands. It would be neat to weigh the same poundage and length of 4 and 8 braid to see if there is a difference in mass. I agree with you though, one strand breaking is much larger proportionally to the overall strength.
@@Paulman50 In undamaged line that is correct. My comment was addressing frayed/ damaged line. If one strand is cut/frayed, 4-strand is then only 8 lb, and 8 strand is 8.75 lb. Yes, that is a bit nit picky, but is simple math. What I was initially addressing was Justin saying 4-strand uses less material.That is an incorrect statement; 4-strand used fewer strands, but the same amount of material. Breaking strength is based on the breaking strength of a specific unit of the material, multiplied by the number of units (the amount of that material). Therefore, if 4-strand spectra/dyneema (10 lb) had less material than 8-strand spectra/dyneema (10lb), then 4-strand couldn't actually be a 10lb line.
Welp....6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Too many variables involved to really know. I do tend to like the more stiffness of the 4 strand. Out on a jetty at night with winds i find the stiffer line easier to untangle if i get a knot or if it blows around rocks when im trying to do something like change lures. Nothing to do with breaking point. If both lines are rated at 20lbs then thats the breaking point of both whether 4 strands or 8. Test is test! But difference might be more involved in "cutability" as you said. Frayed line going around a rock. But i could also argue that each strand of the 4 strand line is equal to two strands of the 8 strand line. And since one strand of the 4 strands is equal to 25% of the line and thicker then that one strand may be harder to cut in half then the equal two seperate strands of the 8 braid. Bottom line! Nobody knows. But possibly the thinner easier to cut 8 strands will fray and fuzz up sooner going over a rock. Thought all these lines are gel spun and heated so the strands all bond/stick together. So none of this might be true. Same as you, i think price is more the factor in my choice. Just blathering here 🙃
From my understanding 4 carrier lines are STRONGER and more abrasion resistant the 8 carrier. This is easier to understand because the 4 carrier are more then double the diameter, then 8 carrier briards. Another benefit of the 4 carrier is its ultra- thin diamter per breaking strength.
If the line diameter is the same (.15mm) then the strand used for a 4 strand is thicker than the strand used for the 8 strand. To me this means that the 8 strand is going to be more flexible and not as stiff as the courser strand used for the 4 strand. .15 divided by 4= .0375 diameter per strand whereas .15 divided by 8= .01875. So the fiber used for the 8 strand is much finer than that used for the 4 strand. Seems that the 8 strand would remain more flexible and would actually be stronger pound for pound than a 4 strand. IMO
Crazy how picky folks get about braid… I’ve used just about every brand out there and I’ve never had an issue with any of them… worst complaint is most don’t hold their color… no big deal. Some may cast a little further, but not by much… The 4 strands make more noise but cut through vegetation better… 8 strand cast a little better and is a little quieter, but doesn’t cut through grass as well. I pitch/punch with chartreuse 50lb J- X8 as I feel I get more bites with quieter line… and I frog, swimjig, and swimbait, etc with Green 50lb J- X4 because it definitely cuts through vegetation better. Spinning reel is chartreuse 15 lb X4 because most of our northern Wisconsin lakes are full of grass, so jig worming, tossing finesse swimbaits, etc slice through better and land more fish. Casting distance is over rated when fishing grass… I’m not bombing casts… I’m making short to medium presentations to break it down efficiently and effectively to maximize my catch. One bite on a long cast can spook and ruin all the fish right in front you… On our rocky Smallie lakes, we use Green 30lb X8 to a fluoro or mono leader for casting, and chartreuse 15lb X8 to a fluoro leader on spinning applications. Slightly more casting distance and the promise that 8 strand is a little more abrasion resistant… that’s the deal. We catch thousands of fish every year and I can’t remember the last time I broke braid… braid to leader, or line to hook… other than the a big Muskie or Pike that decides to play. I’ve landed a 46 inch Muskie on 15lb X4 with no leader with a finesse swimbait on a deep milfoil line… so put on some braid that fits the majority of your fishing and forget about it ~ Use a green or black permanent marker to color a few feet of chartreuse braid if your running straight braid in clearer water.
I prefer the J brand X8 over the power pro by a long shot. I have been using it for years. It is completely round where the power pro is not and it is much smoother..
Another thing about the coarseness of PowerPro braid is that if you’re using it with a bait caster, it can very easily burn your thumb when trying to keep tension during a cast. Not sure if that is universally noticed, but with me and my group of friends it’s a very relevant issue.
Providing a chart as to the pound breakage would be most helpful. Some may think a 10lb. braided line will only hold a 10lb. fish. Thanks! Well done!!!
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I would take the Power Pro over the Daiwa 8 strand any days of the week. I have to re-spool my 100lb test 8 strand jbraid because it breaks so easily even though it was brand new. Save your $ n go with Power Pro or the Max Cuatro.
Braid is made from ultra high molecular poly ethylene dissolved in a solvent normally mineral oil then heated and spun through a spinnerette after which the solvent is extracted using chlorinated solvents then dried and heated and stretched. Ultra high molecular polyethylene cannot be spun through a spinnerette because the viscosity is so high I.e. million of centipoise! I worked on equipment to make Spectra material. John T.
Very interesting concerning the new Izanas braid used for the Jbraid Grand x8. I just checked the packaging (box) of the Sunline Siglon PEx8 #0.4 that I recently put on my Shimano Stradic CI4+ 1000 and was pleased to notice that it too is constructed using Izanas. I used to use PowerPro 4 strand but after a while the 'roundness' became flat like a ribbon and would catch the wind something terrible and the twisting was very noticable.
What about the difference on twisting? (see your video "DO THIS To Get Twists Out Of Your Braided Fishing Line"). Is 4-strand better than 8? I think so..
Why do you keep saying there is more material in the 8 carrier?? Seriously bro? They both have the same final diameter. So yes, the 8 carrier has 2x more strands, but they're half the thickness! That's why both lines have the same final diameter.
@@wazup3333Friction or lack thereof in this case. Tasline (made in Victoria, Australia) is consistent in its diameter (some lines have a big variation in their thickness) and extremely smooth so there’s less friction through the runners.
Not 100% on this, but I think spectre and dynema have been placed against each other in the lab and dynema was proven to be a stronger material. do your own research at the end of the day
Great comparison. I was wondering, have you ever tested knot strength difference in air versus submerged in water (or fresh versus salt)? I was just thinking about the difference in knot strength they showed with saliva vs no saliva when tightening and wondered if the water would act as a lubricant when it is being strained under water.
I did some tests with lines that were soaked in water for over 2 hours, and the results were the same as they were with my normal 10 second soak before each break. So I now stick with the 10 second soak.
After watching this I have another suggestion. Take the same length rods with the same power ratings, but one with a light action coupled to braid and a heavy action rod coupled with mono. Then test the feel in some sort of way to determine the feedback of the weight. I'm sure it would be very similar. If it is then the only advantage braid has over mono is more line capacity on the spool but at 7.5 times the cost of mono line. Disclaimer. I'm a mediocre fisherman at best.
I just put 10 lb J-Braid on my Sustain 3000 and my Vanford 2500 and I love it! I put the 8 lb 4 Strand J-Braid on my Vanford 2000 and it casts a mile!! So do my 3000 and 2500. They are both super smooth. i highly recommend the j-Braid..A great braid at a great cost!
I have noticed the raspyness though the eyes of my rod. I casted out my GoPro using a 8lb diameter powerpro and while retrieving it. You can hear the raspyness through the audio on the gopro while retrieving it. Does that raspyness possibly interfere with the vibrations or the sound a lure is producing?
I know this is two years old and we have learnt a lot in that time about braid. More accurately about manufacturers claims about their braid. Braid diameter is the first casualty, NONE of them, that is not a single manufacturer of braid gives the correct line diameter. A number of line testing channels have sprung up and carefully measure braid roundness (some are quite square, some flat and some thick & thin), they also test knot strength and abrasion resistance but the one thing that’s consistent braids never live up to their claimed diameter, they are way thicker than stated on the label. This makes comparing them using their diameter as a variable is unreliable.
I do saltwater wreck fishing. I used Power Pro for 2 years, then went to the J8. I will never go back to Power Pro. The Power Pro frays much more, and is not as durable and strong in the wreck. The J8 blows it away. I can't speak for any other type of fishing.
I recently purchased two spools of 10 lb Daiwa J Braid x4 from Wal-Mart. Absolutely the worst line I ever used. I literally could not cast a 1/4 ounce jig and plastic without the line snapping in two. I thought maybe I had a nick in my line guides, but nope. Same story on a different rod and reel. Hopefully, the 8 strand is better, but I wouldn't take the 4 strand if they were giving it away for free. Pre-pandemic I purchased Kast King Superbraid for $2.50 a spool. Didn't have good luck with the 8 lb line, but the 10 lb line was about as reliable as the Power Pro line I generally use. Landed a few bull redfish on the 10 lb line and 20 lb monofilament leader.
@@Saltstrong I am fishing saltwater in saudi arabia. My rod is a daiwa spitfire seabass mh 2.4m and reel is shimano nexave 4000hg I actually tried testing the line right out of the box and i was surprised that when I pulled for the first time it was strong but the second attempt it split into 8 strands and broke easily.
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Which one holds its color longest in moss green? I always use Power Pro and haven’t tried the J-Braid. Do you see any difference in color retention between both Daiwas?
Ik this is late but I’ve used power pro before and after about 3 trips the line starts to fade, I’ve never had that issue with j-braid, however I haven’t used the moss green color in years….
The main problems I have with braid are abrasion resistance (poor) and the tendency, after only a little use, to become water absorbent and basically act like a wet string: There goes decent casting. I tried Ardent Gliss, which may be better about resisting water, but I never found out because it "dug" so badly on the reel as to be hopeless. Maybe Suffix 832 is more waterproof without digging?
This video could have been 60 seconds, that may have been one of the most long-winded, love the sound of my own voice, look at me, over explanations on record,
Math obviously isn't this mans forte. A four strand that is .15MM in diameter uses the same amount of material as an 8 strand that is .15 mm in diameter. The 8 strand fibers are simply half the diameter of the 4 strand fibers.
I've noticed that most manufacturer's reel capacity specs show for example, a reel that holds 200 yds of 10lb. monofilament (0.33mm diameter) will hold less line of the equivalent diameter braid. Why is this so...AND, which will allow for maximum line capacity..4 strand or 8 strand?
That's strange, Joe. Haven't seen that before. Hands down a reel should hold more Braided Line than Monofilament Line of the same lb. test (10lb. Mono Vs. 10lb. Braid). The thickness of 4 strand Vs. 8 strand should be right around the same line diameter (one isn't thicker just because it uses more strands per weave).
I come from a mountaineering background where we use slings etc. Dyneema is always white because it cannot be dyed but the slings are a lot thinner than normal PE webbing. If I look at all the different colored braided lines which contain dyneema I can assume there is very little dyneema incorporated into the product or it is just BS. Also Dyneema provides better tensile strength per square inch but not more abrasion resistence. This is where people get it wrong. I just don't get it. If there is really a lot of dyneema incorporated, then it should be a lot thinner per pound rating than normal PE braid. What gives?? Are they charging more because it is "dyneema"? I smell a big ass rat!!! This brings me to the 4 vs 8 braid. I think the 8 strand only provides less memory but that is about it. If the line is the same thickness overall the 4 strand should be stronger and even possibly more abrasion resistant.
Lots of claims here without any evidence and personal experience is not evidence. The noise of line going through the guides is a function of friction, 4 strand can’t be as good at casting for a given diameter if it is noisier than 8 strand, friction causes noise.
dude, just make atest of 8 knot loop.. lol i can tear 8 knot loop with fingers on a 0.11mm braid... that is no good strenght... it says like 7kg holding, but you cant tear 0.13mm mono with bare fingers that says only 1.7kg lol
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@@williamdougie6213 This is Luke... I absolutely love the 8J-Braid 8 Grand. What issue(s) did you experience with it what what size line were you using? I have been using their 10lb gray on my spinning tackle over the past year, and it has become my favorite for longevity and for pulling fish around structure without breaking. It also has won every knot contest I've done with it beating out my prior favorite (PowerPro).
@@Saltstrong I was using x8 10lb (green) last year it breaks down quickly and breaks, becomes weak, losing its castability. I tried the grandx8 10lb (green) this year and had two wind knots in two trips out. I managed to untangle the second knot then it just broke where the knot was. I switched back to powerpro and haven't had a problem since. Coincidence possibly but I doubt it. (Edit) running daiwa ballistic 4000 and tatula 4000 so it is not the reels line lay.
I figure if you're fishing in open water, go for x4 since you're not going to be rubbing up on oyster bars/pilings/reef/etc. x8 for inshore all day though.
Does anyone else feel that the 8 strand lines starts out way smoother than the 4 strand but then the 8 strand actually becomes rougher than the 4 stand with extensive use?
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After trying various lines over the years, I have always come back to the 4-strand power pro. 8-strand lines always started good but after a few trips, the strands would separate and swell the line than the 4-strand would so would cast shorter distance.
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Luke needs to test V2 eight strand against J-braid eight strand(s) for abrasion, strength, knot strength as well as cost & availability. I know it wasn’t your intention, but this video came off like an infomercial for Daiwa.
I use Sufix 832 for surf shark fishing for years and it’s the best line I’ve ever used. I use Sufix 131 for my bass set up and it’s absolutely amazing.
I use Power Pro for whales and it’s been better than any of the others . I caught a 5 ton whale the other day .
832 for tarpon great braid
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@@216edwin No , but I caught your old lady and she blew me .
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I love that sound of power pro going through my guides.
oh my goodness, you must be the only one, haha. That sound just grates on my nerves, haha!
@@TheKajunkat lmao! I guess it helps when you use a lo-pro baitcaster. Its like having a drag that clicks ;)
Thanks for clearing things up for me. I like the j-braid line . Been using it for about a year now. Be Safe Brother.
I've been using j-braid 8x for over 4 years and love it. I made the mistake one time of buying the 4x, garbage by comparison in regards to casting. I have two similar surf rods, one w/ 45lb jbraid and one w/ 45lb power pro slick v2, for me the jbraid performs better, but not by much.
@@taylorhickman84 I like the 30 lb j-braid on my setups. I top shot about 30 yards of 50 lb fluorocarbon. Thank you Brother .
@@jimmyjaimes5268 30lb pound works great on my baitcasters.
@@taylorhickman84 awesome. Thank you.
I exclusively use Daiwa J Braid x8 and not only have never had a problem but I absolutely LOVE it. Nice and soft and easy to cast miles!
Thanks for sharing!
Power pro...period 💪💪💪
Power Pro Slick has always bled a lot. But the sound and feeing of it flying through the guides is superior to any braid I’ve used in the past (j braids, Nomad, Sufix, spiderwire, maxima).
Power pro slick v2 for wreck fishing 100% - also 8 strand
I agree
I like pp ss onyx but there is a break in period where the coating scrapes off and what's left is a supple gray line.
Jbraid grand is supple out of the box without the break in period for me.
I use and trust both
@@DiamondHead2010 I like onyx, diamond, j-braid as well
I haven't ever had any problems with sufix 832
The two negatives I find with braided line is tying knots and abrasion. Tying knots is much more difficult with braided line. I fish a lot with slip floats for crappie. As the line suffers abrasion, it does not slide through the float as easily. I am trying a new float that has a metal tube going all the way through the float, causing less resistance to the frayed line as it passes through the float.
"there is less material in a 4-strand"- wrong, diameters/breaking strength are the same, equals same amount of material; less material equals lower breaking strength. The reason why a 4-strand may break before an 8-strand, has to do with the number of strands. One stand of a 4-strand breaks, line loses 25% of strength. One strand of 8-stand breaks, line only loses 12.5% of strength. Having more, small diameter, strands makes 8-strand smoother and more supple/flexible. I use 4-strand Power Pro over 8-strand whatever, for on reason...cost; I can be a bit of a cheapskate. Never had any problems with it. Happy fishing...Whatever you choose to use!
There might be a little more volume taking up by 8 strands than 4 strands for the same outer diameter. less air space between the strands. It would be neat to weigh the same poundage and length of 4 and 8 braid to see if there is a difference in mass. I agree with you though, one strand breaking is much larger proportionally to the overall strength.
Saying 10lb 8 strand is stronger than 10lb 4 strand is like saying 10 lbs of bricks is heaver than 10lbs of feathers.
@@Paulman50 In undamaged line that is correct. My comment was addressing frayed/ damaged line. If one strand is cut/frayed, 4-strand is then only 8 lb, and 8 strand is 8.75 lb. Yes, that is a bit nit picky, but is simple math. What I was initially addressing was Justin saying 4-strand uses less material.That is an incorrect statement; 4-strand used fewer strands, but the same amount of material. Breaking strength is based on the breaking strength of a specific unit of the material, multiplied by the number of units (the amount of that material). Therefore, if 4-strand spectra/dyneema (10 lb) had less material than 8-strand spectra/dyneema (10lb), then 4-strand couldn't actually be a 10lb line.
Welp....6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Too many variables involved to really know. I do tend to like the more stiffness of the 4 strand. Out on a jetty at night with winds i find the stiffer line easier to untangle if i get a knot or if it blows around rocks when im trying to do something like change lures. Nothing to do with breaking point. If both lines are rated at 20lbs then thats the breaking point of both whether 4 strands or 8. Test is test!
But difference might be more involved in "cutability" as you said. Frayed line going around a rock.
But i could also argue that each strand of the 4 strand line is equal to two strands of the 8 strand line. And since one strand of the 4 strands is equal to 25% of the line and thicker then that one strand may be harder to cut in half then the equal two seperate strands of the 8 braid. Bottom line! Nobody knows. But possibly the thinner easier to cut 8 strands will fray and fuzz up sooner going over a rock. Thought all these lines are gel spun and heated so the strands all bond/stick together.
So none of this might be true.
Same as you, i think price is more the factor in my choice.
Just blathering here 🙃
From my understanding 4 carrier lines are STRONGER and more abrasion resistant the 8 carrier. This is easier to understand because the 4 carrier are more then double the diameter, then 8 carrier briards. Another benefit of the 4 carrier is its ultra- thin diamter per breaking strength.
The Daiwa J-Braid Grand is A-mazing!! Stuff is legit. I have all my spinning reels with the 20lb gray light color. 👌
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If the line diameter is the same (.15mm) then the strand used for a 4 strand is thicker than the strand used for the 8 strand. To me this means that the 8 strand is going to be more flexible and not as stiff as the courser strand used for the 4 strand. .15 divided by 4= .0375 diameter per strand whereas .15 divided by 8= .01875. So the fiber used for the 8 strand is much finer than that used for the 4 strand. Seems that the 8 strand would remain more flexible and would actually be stronger pound for pound than a 4 strand. IMO
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Crazy how picky folks get about braid… I’ve used just about every brand out there and I’ve never had an issue with any of them… worst complaint is most don’t hold their color… no big deal. Some may cast a little further, but not by much… The 4 strands make more noise but cut through vegetation better… 8 strand cast a little better and is a little quieter, but doesn’t cut through grass as well. I pitch/punch with chartreuse 50lb J- X8 as I feel I get more bites with quieter line… and I frog, swimjig, and swimbait, etc with Green 50lb J- X4 because it definitely cuts through vegetation better. Spinning reel is chartreuse 15 lb X4 because most of our northern Wisconsin lakes are full of grass, so jig worming, tossing finesse swimbaits, etc slice through better and land more fish. Casting distance is over rated when fishing grass… I’m not bombing casts… I’m making short to medium presentations to break it down efficiently and effectively to maximize my catch. One bite on a long cast can spook and ruin all the fish right in front you… On our rocky Smallie lakes, we use Green 30lb X8 to a fluoro or mono leader for casting, and chartreuse 15lb X8 to a fluoro leader on spinning applications. Slightly more casting distance and the promise that 8 strand is a little more abrasion resistant… that’s the deal. We catch thousands of fish every year and I can’t remember the last time I broke braid… braid to leader, or line to hook… other than the a big Muskie or Pike that decides to play. I’ve landed a 46 inch Muskie on 15lb X4 with no leader with a finesse swimbait on a deep milfoil line… so put on some braid that fits the majority of your fishing and forget about it ~ Use a green or black permanent marker to color a few feet of chartreuse braid if your running straight braid in clearer water.
Really Good Information - thanks for sharing your experience o>
I prefer the J brand X8 over the power pro by a long shot. I have been using it for years. It is completely round where the power pro is not and it is much smoother..
Another thing about the coarseness of PowerPro braid is that if you’re using it with a bait caster, it can very easily burn your thumb when trying to keep tension during a cast. Not sure if that is universally noticed, but with me and my group of friends it’s a very relevant issue.
Do coarse/raspiness of braid lines damage the guides?
Providing a chart as to the pound breakage would be most helpful. Some may think a 10lb. braided line will only hold a 10lb. fish. Thanks! Well done!!!
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I would take the Power Pro over the Daiwa 8 strand any days of the week. I have to re-spool my 100lb test 8 strand jbraid because it breaks so easily even though it was brand new. Save your $ n go with Power Pro or the Max Cuatro.
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J braid I tends to avoid, had bad luck with them due to kinks plus strain being broken off. I've always stick with power pro and spiderweb camobraid.
Braid is made from ultra high molecular poly ethylene dissolved in a solvent normally mineral oil then heated and spun through a spinnerette after which the solvent is extracted using chlorinated solvents then dried and heated and stretched. Ultra high molecular polyethylene cannot be spun through a spinnerette because the viscosity is so high I.e. million of centipoise! I worked on equipment to make Spectra material.
John T.
Thanks for the feedback!
Very interesting concerning the new Izanas braid used for the Jbraid Grand x8. I just checked the packaging (box) of the Sunline Siglon PEx8 #0.4 that I recently put on my Shimano Stradic CI4+ 1000 and was pleased to notice that it too is constructed using Izanas.
I used to use PowerPro 4 strand but after a while the 'roundness' became flat like a ribbon and would catch the wind something terrible and the twisting was very noticable.
Izanas is a fancy name for dyneema thats all
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What about the difference on twisting? (see your video "DO THIS To Get Twists Out Of Your Braided Fishing Line"). Is 4-strand better than 8? I think so..
Why do you keep saying there is more material in the 8 carrier?? Seriously bro? They both have the same final diameter. So yes, the 8 carrier has 2x more strands, but they're half the thickness! That's why both lines have the same final diameter.
I used to use PP v2 but I tried Tasline 8 strand and now have it on all my reels. Pricey but worth it. The casting distance is incredible.
What would make the casting difference difference?
@@wazup3333Friction or lack thereof in this case. Tasline (made in Victoria, Australia) is consistent in its diameter (some lines have a big variation in their thickness) and extremely smooth so there’s less friction through the runners.
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Not 100% on this, but I think spectre and dynema have been placed against each other in the lab and dynema was proven to be a stronger material. do your own research at the end of the day
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Great comparison. I was wondering, have you ever tested knot strength difference in air versus submerged in water (or fresh versus salt)? I was just thinking about the difference in knot strength they showed with saliva vs no saliva when tightening and wondered if the water would act as a lubricant when it is being strained under water.
I did some tests with lines that were soaked in water for over 2 hours, and the results were the same as they were with my normal 10 second soak before each break. So I now stick with the 10 second soak.
Whats the diameter of both 30 pound and 8 strand and 4 strand Do you sell in 100o yard spools in chartuse.
After watching this I have another suggestion. Take the same length rods with the same power ratings, but one with a light action coupled to braid and a heavy action rod coupled with mono. Then test the feel in some sort of way to determine the feedback of the weight. I'm sure it would be very similar. If it is then the only advantage braid has over mono is more line capacity on the spool but at 7.5 times the cost of mono line. Disclaimer. I'm a mediocre fisherman at best.
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll see if we can test that out.
Spectra fiber and dyneema fiber is the same polyethylene fiber with different brand name and sold at the premium the final brand carries.
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@@Saltstrong you actually replied on a year old video. Thats cool 👍🏿.
is the savage gear HD8 silencer 8x braided cord worth buying?
I’ve seen 4x 65lb j braid with a mm 0.36 and it’s thinner than the 8x j braid mm0.41 so because it’s a higher strand is it thicker ?
X8 organe all day for me. Smooth and strong
8 strands for me. Better cast distances and less abrasion with the guides. 4 strand sounds like I'm sawing something when I reel in
Thanks for sharing!
I just put 10 lb J-Braid on my Sustain 3000 and my Vanford 2500 and I love it! I put the 8 lb 4 Strand J-Braid on my Vanford 2000 and it casts a mile!! So do my 3000 and 2500. They are both super smooth. i highly recommend the j-Braid..A great braid at a great cost!
I have noticed the raspyness though the eyes of my rod. I casted out my GoPro using a 8lb diameter powerpro and while retrieving it. You can hear the raspyness through the audio on the gopro while retrieving it. Does that raspyness possibly interfere with the vibrations or the sound a lure is producing?
I know this is two years old and we have learnt a lot in that time about braid. More accurately about manufacturers claims about their braid. Braid diameter is the first casualty, NONE of them, that is not a single manufacturer of braid gives the correct line diameter. A number of line testing channels have sprung up and carefully measure braid roundness (some are quite square, some flat and some thick & thin), they also test knot strength and abrasion resistance but the one thing that’s consistent braids never live up to their claimed diameter, they are way thicker than stated on the label. This makes comparing them using their diameter as a variable is unreliable.
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Nice explanatiom
I do saltwater wreck fishing. I used Power Pro for 2 years, then went to the J8. I will never go back to Power Pro. The Power Pro frays much more, and is not as durable and strong in the wreck. The J8 blows it away. I can't speak for any other type of fishing.
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I recently purchased two spools of 10 lb Daiwa J Braid x4 from Wal-Mart. Absolutely the worst line I ever used. I literally could not cast a 1/4 ounce jig and plastic without the line snapping in two. I thought maybe I had a nick in my line guides, but nope. Same story on a different rod and reel. Hopefully, the 8 strand is better, but I wouldn't take the 4 strand if they were giving it away for free. Pre-pandemic I purchased Kast King Superbraid for $2.50 a spool. Didn't have good luck with the 8 lb line, but the 10 lb line was about as reliable as the Power Pro line I generally use. Landed a few bull redfish on the 10 lb line and 20 lb monofilament leader.
It isn't good line. I've had issues with it as well. Try Tasline. It's the best out there imo.
I bought a Daiwa J Braid 8x Grand 25 lbs. But it breaks for only 10 lbs. Why is it so?
Can you share a little more - where are you fishing and using what type of rod/reel outfit?
@@Saltstrong I am fishing saltwater in saudi arabia. My rod is a daiwa spitfire seabass mh 2.4m and reel is shimano nexave 4000hg
I actually tried testing the line right out of the box and i was surprised that when I pulled for the first time it was strong but the second attempt it split into 8 strands and broke easily.
I think the manufacturers are testing the line underneath the water when pulling fish or something similar. That way the strength is accurate.
@@EmME1993 yes true as when I got snagged on rock it really was not breaking
Yes exactly
How is super8v2 power pro stack up
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Anyone found a good sinking braid? Ty
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How much J-braid x8 300yards maybe 0.33 dia then I will order tnx
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Long story short... both work.
Has anyone looked at "Sufix 131 G-Core Braided Line"? If so what do you think about the line? Is it worth the extra cost?
Go with suffix x8 instead, giving free knowledge
@@BlackMamba-lt8oe correct daiwa line is garbage
Power pro has spectra spider wire has dyneema and sufix has gore technology
Must be an old video, the power pro line I have is 0.13 mm and is 8kg bs which is roughly 17.5 lbs.😮😃
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What pound test for 7 foot meduim expride or piosin adrena
10
And the EASTERN HUNTER braid...not that expensive but my friend caught a 40-50kilograms threser shark using 40LB EASTERN HUNTER BRAID...
Powerpro slick is 8 strand
Thanks!
thanks for the information bro but so far I'm using the 8
have you tested the j braid 8x grand against mono or fluoro for abrasion resistance?
Which one holds its color longest in moss green? I always use Power Pro and haven’t tried the J-Braid. Do you see any difference in color retention between both Daiwas?
Ik this is late but I’ve used power pro before and after about 3 trips the line starts to fade, I’ve never had that issue with j-braid, however I haven’t used the moss green color in years….
Which will give me the maximum casting distance?
8x grand
The main problems I have with braid are abrasion resistance (poor) and the tendency, after only a little use, to become water absorbent and basically act like a wet string: There goes decent casting. I tried Ardent Gliss, which may be better about resisting water, but I never found out because it "dug" so badly on the reel as to be hopeless. Maybe Suffix 832 is more waterproof without digging?
Gliss is my favorite line and also my least favorite line in one.
Less material but same diameter? I think the price difference is the manufacturing process not less material.
12/14 strand is the best
This video could have been 60 seconds, that may have been one of the most long-winded, love the sound of my own voice, look at me, over explanations on record,
Thanks for the feedback
Math obviously isn't this mans forte. A four strand that is .15MM in diameter uses the same amount of material as an 8 strand that is .15 mm in diameter. The 8 strand fibers are simply half the diameter of the 4 strand fibers.
J- Braid is JUNK!!! Power Slick V2 or Suffix 832. C'mon Man
I've noticed that most manufacturer's reel capacity specs show for example, a reel that holds 200 yds of 10lb. monofilament (0.33mm diameter) will hold less line of the equivalent diameter braid. Why is this so...AND, which will allow for maximum line capacity..4 strand or 8 strand?
That's strange, Joe. Haven't seen that before. Hands down a reel should hold more Braided Line than Monofilament Line of the same lb. test (10lb. Mono Vs. 10lb. Braid). The thickness of 4 strand Vs. 8 strand should be right around the same line diameter (one isn't thicker just because it uses more strands per weave).
I come from a mountaineering background where we use slings etc. Dyneema is always white because it cannot be dyed but the slings are a lot thinner than normal PE webbing. If I look at all the different colored braided lines which contain dyneema I can assume there is very little dyneema incorporated into the product or it is just BS. Also Dyneema provides better tensile strength per square inch but not more abrasion resistence. This is where people get it wrong. I just don't get it. If there is really a lot of dyneema incorporated, then it should be a lot thinner per pound rating than normal PE braid. What gives?? Are they charging more because it is "dyneema"? I smell a big ass rat!!!
This brings me to the 4 vs 8 braid. I think the 8 strand only provides less memory but that is about it. If the line is the same thickness overall the 4 strand should be stronger and even possibly more abrasion resistant.
Thanks for the insight!
Next up, 16 strand braid!
For big snook I’m talking 38 to 45 inches 40 pound power pro with 50 pound mono leader will do the trick. Jbraid for the price not worth the money.
4 strand braid is so rough, it can cut grooves in your rod tip and line guides. If you fish with Ugly Stiks, I would go with the 8 strand.
Thanks for the suggestion!
3:15 before you get to the subject. Pushing for more watch time isnt a great way to keep subs. Absolute disrespect to your audience.
Relax
pathetic. handle your own problems by speeding up the video.
Or go somewhere else, like you threatened.
Betcha don't, crybaby.
There is 13 strand braid...its bullzen...the breaking power strenght is beyond than other braided fishing line out there....
Bullzen ICE braid....
Lots of claims here without any evidence and personal experience is not evidence. The noise of line going through the guides is a function of friction, 4 strand can’t be as good at casting for a given diameter if it is noisier than 8 strand, friction causes noise.
Thanks for sharing the insights!
So true
The grand is smaller
Thanks for the feedback!
That is just false advertisiment. There's no way 0,15 power pro is only 10lb, in here it's breaking strength is labeled at 9kg.
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dude, just make atest of 8 knot loop.. lol i can tear 8 knot loop with fingers on a 0.11mm braid... that is no good strenght... it says like 7kg holding, but you cant tear 0.13mm mono with bare fingers that says only 1.7kg lol
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4 strand will saw threw your guides over time.
Nope, there is a thing called a hardness scale. Soft fishing line can't cut through a hard line guide, that's a myth.
4 strand is stronger 8 strand is smother and cast longer.simple
Thanks for sharing!
Almost 6 minutes of fluff waiting to learn about differences in performance .
you know if it's not a salt strong video with luke in it, it's going to be 95% bullshit fluff
Me watching this with my varivas line
What’s that like ??
Tried x8 and x8grand both are absolutely garbage. I'll stick with 823 or powerpro.
Thanks for the feedback! Personal preference for sure!
@@Saltstrong garbage line I hope everyone knows this
@@williamdougie6213 This is Luke... I absolutely love the 8J-Braid 8 Grand. What issue(s) did you experience with it what what size line were you using? I have been using their 10lb gray on my spinning tackle over the past year, and it has become my favorite for longevity and for pulling fish around structure without breaking. It also has won every knot contest I've done with it beating out my prior favorite (PowerPro).
@@Saltstrong I was using x8 10lb (green) last year it breaks down quickly and breaks, becomes weak, losing its castability. I tried the grandx8 10lb (green) this year and had two wind knots in two trips out. I managed to untangle the second knot then it just broke where the knot was. I switched back to powerpro and haven't had a problem since. Coincidence possibly but I doubt it.
(Edit) running daiwa ballistic 4000 and tatula 4000 so it is not the reels line lay.
@@Saltstrong luke, you know that daiwa line is trash!!!!
do a casting test you may be surprised
We did! www.saltstrong.com/articles/j-braid-8-grand-vs-powerpro-braid/
@@Saltstrong After more time on the 8 braid I found the 4 braid would cast very slightly farther
2:40 still not even on topic
I figure if you're fishing in open water, go for x4 since you're not going to be rubbing up on oyster bars/pilings/reef/etc.
x8 for inshore all day though.
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Izana and dinema is the same material izana is now known what was dinema before
In full video we not the line lol
Thanks for the feedback
I buy MADE IN USA ONLY !!!!
including the device you used to make this comment?
Including the reel you used for the USA made lines?
Penn authority brahhhh
Does anyone else feel that the 8 strand lines starts out way smoother than the 4 strand but then the 8 strand actually becomes rougher than the 4 stand with extensive use?
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use j braid 8 grand and wont go back
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So, you have the ability to hear the difference between 4 and 8 when casting? Who did your bionic ear transplant?. What rubbish.
K. I.S.S.
Blah blah-GET TO THE POINT!